Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Vanilla Townie!
You have no special powers.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Universal Backup!
The first time a power role dies, you will inherit their abilities.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Tracker!
Each night, you may target 1 player. At the end of the night, you will receive a list of all players that your target targeted that night.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Watcher!
Each night, you may target 1 player. At the end of the night, you will receive a list of all players that targeted your target that night.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Roleblocker!
Each night, you may target 1 player. Each action that player takes that night or the following Twilight will be blocked.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Jailkeeper!
Each night, you may target 1 player. Each action that player takes that night or the following Twilight will be blocked. Any killing role targeting your target will fail.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Virgin!
If you killed during the night, the following night the mafia's nightkill will be blocked. Your power is permanently lost if you are targeted by a Roleblocker.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Bodyguard!
Each night, you may target 1 player. If that player is targeted by a nightkill, you die instead.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the 1-shot Commuter!
Once in the game, at night, you may choose to commute. If you do, any action targeting you that night will be blocked.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the 1-night Paranoid Gun Owner!
Once during the game, at night, you may choose to activate your power. If you do, all players targeting you that night will die.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Vigilante!
Each night, you may target 1 player. That player will die.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Restless Spirit!
After you have died, you may still vote in the thread, but you may not make any other posts.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the 1-shot Governor!
Once during the game, at Twilight, you may choose to activate your power. If you do, the player with the most votes will not die.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Goon!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Your fakeclaim is [flavor name].
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Rolecop!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
Each night, you may target one other player. You will know what role this player has. You may use this in addition to the factional kill.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Your fakeclaim is [flavor name].
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia 1-shot Ninja!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
Once in the game, at night, you may choose to use your Ninja power. If you do and perform the factional kill that night, no investigative roles will be able to see your action. Additionally, you cannot trigger a Paranoid Gun Owner.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Your fakeclaim is [flavor name].
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia 2-shot Ninja!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
Twice in the game, at night, you may choose to use your Ninja power. If you do and perform the factional kill that night, no investigative roles will be able to see your action. Additionally, you cannot trigger a Paranoid Gun Owner.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Your fakeclaim is [flavor name].
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Strongman!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
If you perform your faction's kill, no protective role targeting your target (Jailkeeper or Bodyguard) can save them.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Your fakeclaim is [flavor name].
You could be modding 2 games at the same time!
I would love to play in this game, but I don't have time for it right now.
If it takes long enough to start, I'm in.
But don't send me the speccy if you start without me, I'd rather be a sub if you wind up needing one.
/in
I've missed you all.
I feel like this should either be for 8 or 13 players.
I feel like this should either be for 8 or 13 players.
Why?
.....I feel like this should either be for 8 or 13 players.
Why?
...
I am starting sending pms. N0 will last for appr. 24 hours and will end March 04 at 3am FT. Please, /confirm your roles in the QTs.
vote: WW
Are you still generally scum every game? Or did that end a couple years ago?
WW I think he just called you white bread.
eh actually vote: broccoli
I prefer my coffee black, thanks.
are you or andrew doublevoters? i claim not doublevoter
that sounds like something a doublevoter would say
you don't have to talk anymore you're already locktown
that would be true if you weren't obvtown
that would be true if you weren't obvtown
Buddying is scummy!
Is there anyone else in this game or is it just us three?
wowee vote: idontplaythisgame
that would be true if you weren't obvtown
Buddying is scummy!
Is there anyone else in this game or is it just us three?
No, I was referring to me, buddyschadd, and Andrew.
Who are your partners? If you had to lynch one of them, which one would you pick?
Was I one of those three? Because I'm sort of here. A little busy but trying to read nonetheless.
that would be true if you weren't obvtown
Buddying is scummy!
Is there anyone else in this game or is it just us three?
No, I was referring to me, buddyschadd, and Andrew.
Who are your partners? If you had to lynch one of them, which one would you pick?
Was I one of those three? Because I'm sort of here. A little busy but trying to read nonetheless.
Hi!!!!!!!
I want to make a confusing and possibly bad claim right off the bat.You wouldn't be the first one.
So a 16. Is pps being deceitful DM? uh I mean mod?
So a 16. Is pps being deceitful DM? uh I mean mod?
Really? No ranks in it?
So a 16. Is pps being deceitful DM? uh I mean mod?
Really? No ranks in it?
No. I generally prefer to hit first, and figure out if it was a good idea or not second. As such, my character is really terrible at reading people...
So a 16. Is pps being deceitful DM? uh I mean mod?
Really? No ranks in it?
No. I generally prefer to hit first, and figure out if it was a good idea or not second. As such, my character is really terrible at reading people...
What class are you?
I may or may not be the UB.
If I am, I suggest scum counterclaim.
If I am not, I suggest the real UB let it ride.
From a neutral perspectivethis clause does not hold up to scrutiny
Yeah, I took that as a claim. Ash must know that putting that out there, it's at least somewhat likely that the real UB would step forward. And in that case, I think ash would be hurting his fraction either way. Hence, I don't think he would post that unless he was the real UB.I may or may not be the UB.
If I am, I suggest scum counterclaim.
If I am not, I suggest the real UB let it ride.
Eevee, you took that as a claim?
I may or may not be scum. If I'm not, I suggest scum counterclaim.what scum PR are you?
If I'm the real UB and see that posted, I'm worried that I'm going to get mislynched later on if I don't react to the claim at least before nightfall.
Yeah, I guess. But I do think it's likely ash is simply the real UB.
Vote Count 1.1
IDon’tPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): AndrewisFTTW
mcmcsalot (1): Dylan32
Eevee (2): Joseph2302, schadd
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
Not Voting (5+1): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888, Eevee, mcmcsalot, ashersky,
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
Vote Count 1.1Vote: LaLight
IDon’tPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): AndrewisFTTW
mcmcsalot (1): Dylan32
Eevee (2): Joseph2302, schadd
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
Not Voting (5+1): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888, Eevee, mcmcsalot, ashersky,
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
I'm kind of surprised people aren't taking any positions on ashersky's thing. Less sure I'm right myself with this many others seeing it differently. Ash, was this the reaction you anticipated you'd get?
I'm kind of surprised people aren't taking any positions on ashersky's thing.i took a position on it, more or less
Yeah, for sure. I just think it's crazy to dismiss it as an ash-thing to do and not try to analyze it. There has to be some information value in the post other than "pure null, can't say anything one way or another" - this was not just a RVS - vote or an off the cuff joke post, there was a clearly a thought process behind making it, and apparently even in the exact wording he chose to use. I think it's up to us to analyze the information and decide which alignments or roles he'd be more or less likely to make that post. I'm very surprised more people aren't interested in trying that, when we have quite little else going at this point.I'm kind of surprised people aren't taking any positions on ashersky's thing. Less sure I'm right myself with this many others seeing it differently. Ash, was this the reaction you anticipated you'd get?
I saw it and read some of the surrounding posts, it just seems like a really ash thing to do. The one thing I thought is if ash is town and not the ub he definitely made the ub sweat a little bit because of even bringing it up. This favors scum slightly because they can gauge people's reaction to try and guess who the real ub is. So overall I think slight edge toward that post helping scum but then there's the why would ash want to be in the spotlight if he is scum blah blah blah. So pretty neutral, as I said a very ash thing to do.
i mean you can do that with any postI don't think it's the same, there is much more forethought with certain posts, hence much more information in them. Certainly you don't think a big reread-reads post holds the same amount of information value (for others to analyze) as say a random RVS one liner?
I think that statement is inherently different, as there is no possibility of an actual all-powerful creator of the universe in the game counterclaiming you and really screwing town up big time.
So I guess our fundamental difference is that you guys wouldn't counterclaim him as the real UB because you think he might post that as some other town role just as well.
I'm certainly less sure about reading it correctly than I was upon first seeing the claim, maybe it wasn't such a big deal then.
It'd be cool if PPS got modkilled.
It'd be cool if PPS got modkilled.
For what, exactly?
vote: asherskyI tentatively agree with this.
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question. His most recent post feel like he's sweeping the situation under the rug by saying we are right to not take anything from the post and it's good no one counterclaimed. I feel like ashersky got the most out of what what just went down and I dislike one player gaining information at the potential outing of a town power role.
Put simply scum!ashersky gets more out of this than town!ashersky and his recent post seems like he's happy no one took the post too harshly and tried to guess at his alignment based on the post.
vote: ashersky
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question. His most recent post feel like he's sweeping the situation under the rug by saying we are right to not take anything from the post and it's good no one counterclaimed. I feel like ashersky got the most out of what what just went down and I dislike one player gaining information at the potential outing of a town power role.
Put simply scum!ashersky gets more out of this than town!ashersky and his recent post seems like he's happy no one took the post too harshly and tried to guess at his alignment based on the post.
Vote Count 1.2
IDon’tPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): AndrewisFTTW
mcmcsalot (1): Dylan32
Eevee (1): schadd
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
ashersky (2): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302
Not Voting (5): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888, Eevee, ashersky,
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
I counted Joseph’s #156 vote and will count such votes.
Vote Count 1.2
IDon’tPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): AndrewisFTTW
mcmcsalot (1): Dylan32
Eevee (1): schadd
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
ashersky (2): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302
Not Voting (5): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888, Eevee, ashersky,
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
I counted Joseph’s #156 vote and will count such votes.
bpye: Joseph
Does that count? One key off on the keyboard could count as a typo, right?
vote: ashersky
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question. His most recent post feel like he's sweeping the situation under the rug by saying we are right to not take anything from the post and it's good no one counterclaimed. I feel like ashersky got the most out of what what just went down and I dislike one player gaining information at the potential outing of a town power role.
Put simply scum!ashersky gets more out of this than town!ashersky and his recent post seems like he's happy no one took the post too harshly and tried to guess at his alignment based on the post.
What exactly did ash "get" out of this?
everybody is softclaiming qwerty
vote: ashersky
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question. His most recent post feel like he's sweeping the situation under the rug by saying we are right to not take anything from the post and it's good no one counterclaimed. I feel like ashersky got the most out of what what just went down and I dislike one player gaining information at the potential outing of a town power role.
Put simply scum!ashersky gets more out of this than town!ashersky and his recent post seems like he's happy no one took the post too harshly and tried to guess at his alignment based on the post.
What exactly did ash "get" out of this?
vote: ashersky
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question. His most recent post feel like he's sweeping the situation under the rug by saying we are right to not take anything from the post and it's good no one counterclaimed. I feel like ashersky got the most out of what what just went down and I dislike one player gaining information at the potential outing of a town power role.
Put simply scum!ashersky gets more out of this than town!ashersky and his recent post seems like he's happy no one took the post too harshly and tried to guess at his alignment based on the post.
What exactly did ash "get" out of this?
Scum!ash now has everyone's reaction to his post and tonight the scum team can alanyze all those reactions to see who looks most like the real ub in how they reacted. I don't think it's smart to discuss how the ub would react to this post but as for sure thinks about the things he does. He could have discussed this with the scumteam night 0 and they would all be on alert with how to react and what in general they are looking for.
Ppe 6: I see ash has responded, it's silly to insinuate he knows who the real ub is though that's also glossing over the fact that he does have everyone's reaction to his post which could be used to try and figure out who the ub is. To his second point, it is ust a fact that he did force the ub to acknowledge his post about the ub, unless he is the ub.
Ppe 4: don't want to be the fun governor but please stop.
Bote: LaLightVote Count 1.2
IDon’tPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): AndrewisFTTW
mcmcsalot (1): Dylan32
Eevee (1): schadd
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
ashersky (2): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302
Not Voting (5): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888, Eevee, ashersky,
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
I counted Joseph’s #156 vote and will count such votes.
bpye: Joseph
Does that count? One key off on the keyboard could count as a typo, right?
One key off on the keyboard in one letter of the whole vote will count.
So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone.Well apart from ash, no-one has really done anything noteworthy.
vote: ashersky
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question. His most recent post feel like he's sweeping the situation under the rug by saying we are right to not take anything from the post and it's good no one counterclaimed. I feel like ashersky got the most out of what what just went down and I dislike one player gaining information at the potential outing of a town power role.
Put simply scum!ashersky gets more out of this than town!ashersky and his recent post seems like he's happy no one took the post too harshly and tried to guess at his alignment based on the post.
Prod: The Wine Merchant
Vote: EeveeThis is a great idea.
Maybe if I start voting for people, it'll start a wagon.
I would say he's not the hardest person to read.Agree with this, but also not the easiest. Kind of middle of the road? My recollection of Andrew was that he doesn't have the splashiest play style, that he would usually be making reasonable arguments and not doing anything too wild.
I would say he's not the hardest person to read.i think that in general it would serve you to describe things less lamely
So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
I think that's pretty par for the course for Robz, at least D1.I would say he's not the hardest person to read.i think that in general it would serve you to describe things less lamely
I would say he's not the hardest person to read.i think that in general it would serve you to describe things less lamely
Does anyone want to lynch that one guy that doesn't play this game? He also seems to be not playing this game a whole lot.who's that?
Does anyone want to lynch that one guy that doesn't play this game? He also seems to be not playing this game a whole lot.who's that?
Not sure why it cut off the last thing I said but in response to this:I would say he's not the hardest person to read.i think that in general it would serve you to describe things less lamely
I said I think it's pretty par for the course for Robz, at least on D1. If he was making long posts analyzing every word I'd find that a little scummier.
Does anyone want to lynch that one guy that doesn't play this game? He also seems to be not playing this game a whole lot.who's that?
Oh...you meant idptg...it was a joke...CAN WE STOP WITH THE JOKES PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE
Does anyone want to lynch that one guy that doesn't play this game? He also seems to be not playing this game a whole lot.who's that?
Oh...you meant idptg...it was a joke...CAN WE STOP WITH THE JOKES PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE
Why do you think this is a joke?
Does anyone want to lynch that one guy that doesn't play this game? He also seems to be not playing this game a whole lot.who's that?
Oh...you meant idptg...it was a joke...CAN WE STOP WITH THE JOKES PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE
His name is idon'tplaythisgame... it seemed pretty clear to me.
I thought he meant we should lynch a specific lurker.
I thought he meant we should lynch a specific lurker.
Does anyone want to lynch that one guy that doesn't play this game? He also seems to be not playing this game a whole lot.who's that?
Oh...you meant idptg...it was a joke...CAN WE STOP WITH THE JOKES PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEE
I also didn't get it. I also hate humor.
I'm not going to condition my posting style or the manner in which I play the game on the expectations of people here.
I thought he meant we should lynch a specific lurker.
I did, in fact. The one for which I am voting.
I'm not going to condition my posting style or the manner in which I play the game on the expectations of people here.
But you signed up for a game where the way people win is through using expectations of how one would play so thanks.
Also don't you dodge my questions by agreeing with me about humor robz. I still want your breakdown of Dylan's play so far.
Also don't you dodge my questions by agreeing with me about humor robz. I still want your breakdown of Dylan's play so far.
I honestly have not paid even close to enough attention so far to give you a break down of Dylan's play. Have I mentioned I bought a Nintendo Switch?
Reread IDPTG, he didn't seem overly scummy to me. I doubt he'd be the biggest lurker, and the posts actually seem pretty full of content for their size and quantity, he's been commenting on multiple issues and we really haven't had much happening yet.
So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
Reread IDPTG, he didn't seem overly scummy to me. I doubt he'd be the biggest lurker, and the posts actually seem pretty full of content for their size and quantity, he's been commenting on multiple issues and we really haven't had much happening yet.
Dylan was indeed a very fast reread. As far as I can tell, of his 11 posts, only this has been relevant to the game:So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
which looks like a fine post, although the expressed opinions seem to be on the safer side. Not that I have any scathingly hot takes myself, it is still early. We only have 4 days until the deadline though, so it would be good to get something happening soon. Is it just me or have we gone to the day of the deadline with almost no serious wagons pretty often in the near history, especially day 1?
Sorry, I didn't realize it was targeted with a purpose, my bad.Dylan was indeed a very fast reread. As far as I can tell, of his 11 posts, only this has been relevant to the game:So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
which looks like a fine post, although the expressed opinions seem to be on the safer side. Not that I have any scathingly hot takes myself, it is still early. We only have 4 days until the deadline though, so it would be good to get something happening soon. Is it just me or have we gone to the day of the deadline with almost no serious wagons pretty often in the near history, especially day 1?
Hey eevee wanna let the people I ask questions answer them and then react to those answers with your own instead of jumping the gun...that being said I agree with your analysis that Dylan's post was very safe.
i would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
LaLight's town meta is pretty helpful and he hasn't helped clarify any reads yet.
vote: LaLight
that would be true if you weren't obvtown
Buddying is scummy!
Is there anyone else in this game or is it just us three?
No, I was referring to me, buddyschadd, and Andrew.
Who are your partners? If you had to lynch one of them, which one would you pick?
Was I one of those three? Because I'm sort of here. A little busy but trying to read nonetheless.
You and schadd, obviously. I guess we could lynch you?
The more I think about it, the scummier ash seems. I think it's different than some of the other "may or may not" posts in that it's a semi-open set-up and UB is the only role guaranteed to be in the game. Sure, there's a roll where it isn't, but statistically that's unlikely.
There isn't much to go on so I'm not considering this much of a read but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
i would prefer not to elaborate at this timei would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
ww sees pretty much exactly what i saw in idptgor, rather, what ww sees in idptg is exactly what i see
Prod: The Wine Merchant
i would prefer not to elaborate at this timei would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
bad at reading people.in this game or in general?
In response to wotherweaver, a lot of how you feel about idp hinges upon thinking his response to ash is hedge and that I'd let play out perhaps idp would vote ash. I think ash is actually quite scummy for how he reacted to people reacting to his post so I think it would be normal for town!idp to eventually vote ash. You are taking the stance that A ash is town and B idp is scummy for being hedgy, I really dislike that.
vote: witherweaver
Pps had a much worse response in my opinion be just saying yea it meant nothing and then posting zero other content.
bad at reading people.in this game or in general?
Okay.
First, voting for mod very first post struck me as.. I don't know... too RVS-y. Maybe like he felt he needed to post something and it seemed novel. Not a significant feeling by any means. But enough to pressure.LaLight's town meta is pretty helpful and he hasn't helped clarify any reads yet.
vote: LaLight
This one felt a little bit guarded, like he starting to feel pressure (I'd been pushing a little bit and schadd voted for him) and didn't really know how to react. But felt he had to react. So kind of forced a pseudojoke:that would be true if you weren't obvtown
Buddying is scummy!
Is there anyone else in this game or is it just us three?
No, I was referring to me, buddyschadd, and Andrew.
Who are your partners? If you had to lynch one of them, which one would you pick?
Was I one of those three? Because I'm sort of here. A little busy but trying to read nonetheless.
You and schadd, obviously. I guess we could lynch you?
He really hasn't said much else. This:The more I think about it, the scummier ash seems. I think it's different than some of the other "may or may not" posts in that it's a semi-open set-up and UB is the only role guaranteed to be in the game. Sure, there's a roll where it isn't, but statistically that's unlikely.
There isn't much to go on so I'm not considering this much of a read but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
feels particularly careful and hedgy. Note that he doesn't take an "Ash could be scum" type stance until it seems like something that could have support. (McMc and Joseph have voted for Ash.) But he doesn't actually vote. My guess would be if we let this ride out (which I'm not doing, explaining all of this) and there was further impression that voting for Ash was "okay", he would get on the wagon.
I prefer to not explain these things and let them play further (I'm going off little here, more evidence is more better), but you wanted content and not jokes and so there you have it.
sure. i get false positives a lot. i did only start pushing you when you pushed me but there was other stuff.bad at reading people.in this game or in general?
Small sample size from the mafia 94 where you were wrong about pushing dylan d1 and then only really started pushing me because I was pushing you. That and my thought so far in this game compared to yours. Not hating just my slight opinion.
Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.
I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.
Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.
I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.
Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.
Voting for the mod is hardly "novel". It's been done and I started because gkrieg voting you at the beginning of every game and it struck me as amusing. LaLalight has been in every game I've played as either a mod or player. My crowning achievement is getting mod!LaLight onto a vote count.it's not novel, but it's silly and useless. RVS can look towny if you have some sort of intention with it, or demonstrate an interest in reading/interacting with some particular person (which scum often does not at the beginning of the day)
Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.
I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.
Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.
I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.mylo in m90 and in rmm40 (more or less) that i can think of
Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted. Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists. I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this.
I'm not sure what the implications of that are.
So we learnt nothing basically....Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted. Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists. I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this.
I'm not sure what the implications of that are.
I brought this up earlier. It's statistically unlikely and even if the UB got converted, the UB wouldn't know and be able to counterclaim ash. It's perfectly safe to assume one exists and I don't think assuming one exists means anything.
I prefer to not explain these things and let them play further (I'm going off little here, more evidence is more better), but you wanted content and not jokes and so there you have it.
I'm not going to condition my posting style or the manner in which I play the game on the expectations of people here.
I'm not going to condition my posting style or the manner in which I play the game on the expectations of people here.
But you signed up for a game where the way people win is through using expectations of how one would play so thanks.
Well, I should rephrase to say, where it doesn't benefit me. Or "condition to those expectations for their own sake". Meaning that people that don't like how I play will have to deal with it.
What does converting the UB mean?
Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted. Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists. I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this.
I'm not sure what the implications of that are.
I brought this up earlier. It's statistically unlikely and even if the UB got converted, the UB wouldn't know and be able to counterclaim ash. It's perfectly safe to assume one exists and I don't think assuming one exists means anything.
Similarities to Squid mcmc abound, btw. And that reads list was whack. I think he's doing the "big forceful presence early for towncred so when I inevitably slip into my normal scumlurkmcmc I can slide by as usual" thing he loves as scum.
vote: mcmc is good here.
Similarities to Squid mcmc abound, btw. And that reads list was whack. I think he's doing the "big forceful presence early for towncred so when I inevitably slip into my normal scumlurkmcmc I can slide by as usual" thing he loves as scum.
vote: mcmc is good here.
Also noticed this. Vote: Mcmcsalot
We won't get fooled again
Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.
I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.
Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.
I'm known for making it to LyLo as town, not scum. I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.
Yea I'm pretty happy going back to vote:ash
I love that I am getting votes for being "a big forceful presence early for town" and for someone agreeing with me but thinking I'm "trying really hard to make a case not based on much".
This comes down to scum!mcmc just won two games and he was an active presence in both those games so I'm scared everything mcmc is doing just looks pro town and is really a scum ploy.
You can think that if you want but both those games started with me not engaging everyone early on but rather tunneling into one or two actions that I considered "anti-town" and dragging the otherwise quite town into a single discussion for the whole day, limiting interactions. Today I vocalized concern with jokes but moved past that in favor of asking ww a game related question which provided us with discussion as well as prompted question toward the other players and tried to stimulate as many reads as I can.
Also as much as my reads list has been called "whack" I think people are trying to say my reads list is strange compared to how games and reads usually develop, which I think means my reads are based more on actually current game related things and not people's overall helpful/unhelpful meta.
Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.
I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.
Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.
I'm known for making it to LyLo as town, not scum. I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.
Wasn't stranger things to LyLo if it hadn't been mod ended? and you were scum there.
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
Also, nice OMGUS reaction there.
Also, way to be extremely self-aware of your scum play -- so much do that you had plenty of counter examples preloaded in the chamber to fire as soon as someone pointed it out.
This is scum!mcmc simultaneously happy to have rolled scum again while needing to shrug off his recent tells -- and struggling to do so.
So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on.ah, cool. but not a fan, sort of like how if you used the roll command to pick somebody would be scummy
So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on.ah, cool. but not a fan, sort of like how if you used the roll command to pick somebody would be scummy
the rest is noted.
I am at l-2 for making cases and being too active day 1. This is a big mistake to lynch me just because I have been making cases and been active day 1 as scum recently. I think I am playing noticeably different than in any of my recent games.
The more I think about it, the scummier ash seems. I think it's different than some of the other "may or may not" posts in that it's a semi-open set-up and UB is the only role guaranteed to be in the game. Sure, there's a roll where it isn't, but statistically that's unlikely.
There isn't much to go on so I'm not considering this much of a read but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
feels particularly careful and hedgy. Note that he doesn't take an "Ash could be scum" type stance until it seems like something that could have support. (McMc and Joseph have voted for Ash.) But he doesn't actually vote. My guess would be if we let this ride out (which I'm not doing, explaining all of this) and there was further impression that voting for Ash was "okay", he would get on the wagon.
I prefer to not explain these things and let them play further (I'm going off little here, more evidence is more better), but you wanted content and not jokes and so there you have it.
Why are you voting eevee? I thought it was just to see if we could get something going. We got something better over here on mcmc, you should join us.pardon my awaclus, but, because eevee is scum. i am null-kinda-kinda-town on mcmc
pardon my awaclus
Is eevee dumb enough to defend his partner? Does scum!eevee defend a wagon deep townie?
Eevee doesn't look like scum today.
Why are you voting eevee? I thought it was just to see if we could get something going. We got something better over here on mcmc, you should join us.pardon my awaclus, but, because eevee is scum. i am null-kinda-kinda-town on mcmc
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
Also, nice OMGUS reaction there.
Also, way to be extremely self-aware of your scum play -- so much do that you had plenty of counter examples preloaded in the chamber to fire as soon as someone pointed it out.
This is scum!mcmc simultaneously happy to have rolled scum again while needing to shrug off his recent tells -- and struggling to do so.
Haha mcmc loves being scum...that's the line I use on robz whenever I want people to start suspecting him for simply playing the game. I actually don't necessarily like playing scum more than town as scum I just get to talk to my teammates so there more interaction.
Yep it's omgus, but it's omgus against a player I already thought was scummy so not quite the same thing.
Being aware of my scum play doesn't make me scummy, it makes me good. And if you want to vote me because your scared I'm scum and will win go ahead but I also caught eevee d1 in the game where I was town recently. Not trying to brag but I'm also a scary town player.
I'm not struggling to shrug off my recent tells, I haven't tunneled and I haven't called people out for being anti town and used that to pivot into a lynch, I've been engaging and inquisitive.
Also yay scum is more fun than town!
So far your defenses have been "nuh-uh" and "I'm too good."
Like, someone said cows are animals and you said, no they aren't. Why aren't they animals? You need the reason behind your statement. I gave mine.
I really think I found scum!ash
I really think I found scum!ash
I think you're exactly wrong on this.
I really think I found scum!ash. Ashersky is smarter than this for a day one lynch, he is using ancillary evidence to prove I like playing scum more to prove that means I'm scum in this game because I'm active and excited to be playing this game.
Also saying I'm a good town player is not a scummy defense, especially not when the case on me is 100% due to my recent success as scum.
Andrew saying he thinks I'm scum because he thinks the interaction between me and ww seems like two scum faking an interaction is preposterous. It would mean you have found not only one scum this early d1 but two scum...and I'm being criticized because I made a reads list that poe'd a few people I had town reads on...
I don't like Ash or McMc; I've cooled on idptg a little bit.
I really think I found scum!ash
I think you're exactly wrong on this.
This is very possible. I don't know why I always assume ash should read me better, I still think he's scummy for how he reacted to people's reaction to his ub claim but I am willing to lynch other people for sure.
I really think I found scum!ash
I think you're exactly wrong on this.
This is very possible. I don't know why I always assume ash should read me better, I still think he's scummy for how he reacted to people's reaction to his ub claim but I am willing to lynch other people for sure.
I'm not surprised by ash's reaction to the UB thing. It looks pretty null to me.
I really think I found scum!ash
I think you're exactly wrong on this.
This is very possible. I don't know why I always assume ash should read me better, I still think he's scummy for how he reacted to people's reaction to his ub claim but I am willing to lynch other people for sure.
I'm not surprised by ash's reaction to the UB thing. It looks pretty null to me.
So what do you think was ash's reason for doing it?
This is town on town if ever there was such a thing.
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Really? What makes you so sure mcmc is town?
Really? What makes you so sure mcmc is town?
I'm not "so" sure. But I don't know that this is really scum mcmc behavior, and I don't want to immediately punish the person trying the hardest.
To be fair, mcmc has been always scum lately, and I've consistently called it wrong.
@dylans comment:
I understand not liking the self aware analysis and can see how it feels rehearsed and that because it is. To emulate my town meta as scum I have to have a good grasp of how I think people view me as town and what I can slightly change about the playstyle to fit my goals for each scum game. So I know how I think people can catch me when I'm scum so when ash says mcmc is acting like scum!mcmc from a recent game I can very quickly and easily explain some differneces.
This is town on town if ever there was such a thing.
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This is town on town if ever there was such a thing.
Unvote
Maybe. I'm pretty certain ash is town from the interaction, though. I think ash is just baiting and mcmc is taking it. The question is whether or not scum!mcmc loses his cool or if it's just town!mcmc. when I'm town in these cases I work towards making my mislynch as illuminating as possible. That is, I don't rightly try to work out of it. That siad, if mcmc is scum then this practically clears ash which would be bad if ash is also scum.
(Or it's a really well manufactured fake scum v scum fight. Wouldn't that be cool?)
So far your defenses have been "nuh-uh" and "I'm too good."
Like, someone said cows are animals and you said, no they aren't. Why aren't they animals? You need the reason behind your statement. I gave mine.
Ha what an outrageous analogy. Because cows are factually animals. It's like I have a pet cow and you said your cow is really really sick and I said no it isn't. The difference is it's my cow so I probably know if it's sick and you don't...you haven't given reasons why the cow looks sick other than it looks kinda similar to other sick cows you have...and then I explained how it actually looks very different from my other sick cows.
This is a bad case and you know it ash.
This is town on town if ever there was such a thing.
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Maybe. I'm pretty certain ash is town from the interaction, though. I think ash is just baiting and mcmc is taking it. The question is whether or not scum!mcmc loses his cool or if it's just town!mcmc. when I'm town in these cases I work towards making my mislynch as illuminating as possible. That is, I don't rightly try to work out of it. That siad, if mcmc is scum then this practically clears ash which would be bad if ash is also scum.
So what you're saying is...(Or it's a really well manufactured fake scum v scum fight. Wouldn't that be cool?)
By "cool" I meant "very very brilliant for scum and bad for town"
so my townreads are more or less based on towntells for the person in particular. i'm going to try to describe them without helping the people in question to imitate them
robz: hamfisted
pps: dopey
ww: not trying to be town
andrew: don't have a towntell, you just seem to have thoughts
milk macaroon: as i said, human. there is one specific thing that i'm thinking of with this
and
idp: a blog with 4 entries that are all just explaining why there aren't more of them
eevee: niagara falls
nulls: twm hasn't posted really. d32 is difficult. joseph i haven't looked at scumgames of. ash hasn't set me off yet
I actually don't like the amount that ashersky has reacted to and answered his own question.
So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on. Voting had no effect on TWM, he was notably absent, game stalling, so prodded him.
I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
twm, how did you like m91?
town: andrew, robz, pps, ww, milk macaroonI'm definitely town
dunno: twm, ask her sky, joseph, d32
want to lynch: idptg
want three lynch: eevee
but did you like the game, is the thingtwm, how did you like m91?
I thought you were very scummy for a mod.
but did you like the game, is the thingtwm, how did you like m91?
I thought you were very scummy for a mod.
town: andrew, robz, pps, ww, milk macaroon
dunno: twm, ask her sky, joseph, d32
want to lynch: idptg
want three lynch: eevee
So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on. Voting had no effect on TWM, he was notably absent, game stalling, so prodded him.
I don't think it is fair to blame the game stalling on me. And again, I apologize for being notably absent. Game started sooner than I thought it would and work was busy after coming back from vacation.
I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
I don't understand this statement.
town: andrew, robz, pps, ww, milk macaroonI'm definitely town
dunno: twm, ask her sky, joseph, d32
want to lynch: idptg
want three lynch: eevee
Also, this is a seriously early reads list
PPE: 1?
I think Robz might be scum. Spidey sense is tingling.Possible, but I've not played with him much.
I think Robz might be scum. Spidey sense is tingling.
Vote: PPA
I think Robz might be scum. Spidey sense is tingling.
Now I'm just confirmation biasing everything but this looks like "mcmc didn't work, let's try robz!"
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
I think Robz might be scum. Spidey sense is tingling.
Now I'm just confirmation biasing everything but this looks like "mcmc didn't work, let's try robz!"
At least you recognize the bias. Also, it seems like you are jealous.
Possibly and yesVote: PPA
Do you think pps is scummy and was that an on purpose callback to the whole one letter off in votes will count...
Possibly and yesVote: PPA
Do you think pps is scummy and was that an on purpose callback to the whole one letter off in votes will count...
I think Robz might be scum. Spidey sense is tingling.
I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
I don't understand this statement.
I won't speak for Robz but to me this means we don't need a lynch so much as we need to see where people position on ever growing wagons. I mean the ones that go to lynch are going to be most informative but as people vote on and off wagons we get information, especially in retrospect.
Possibly and yesVote: PPA
Do you think pps is scummy and was that an on purpose callback to the whole one letter off in votes will count...
Those are unhelpful answers after making an unhelpful call back to what was an unhelpful conversation in the beginning of the game.
vote: Joseph
I think Robz might be scum. Spidey sense is tingling.
I thought the same. Will vote.
About the only people I won't vote are Ash and myself. Maybe TWM just because there's nothing on him and he did show up and seem here to stay (hmm, that could be a D1 scum tactic, so yeah, I'd do him too).
But, as far as people I'd like to see die today are mcmc or Robz.
Possibly and yesVote: PPA
Do you think pps is scummy and was that an on purpose callback to the whole one letter off in votes will count...
Those are unhelpful answers after making an unhelpful call back to what was an unhelpful conversation in the beginning of the game.
vote: Joseph
Not interested in lynching ash anymore? Why'd you give up on that so suddenly?
Had a busy day, glad to have been missed! Going to sleep soon now as well, very tireeed.
I don't think mcmc or ash are good lynches. Mcmc is driving the conversation so much, I think there is some utility in that. Ash is playing a little different than I'd expect, but I don't think he is looking scummy. Definitely interesting though, like I feel there is something I'm missing.
schadd I can never read, but he seems super sure I'm scum. (I'm not!!)
Robz and PPS continue being less forceful than I'd expect, but I don't really have a strong read to push either, so it feels hypocritical to blame them too much.
I think best lynch candidates would be the quiet, least splashy people. When my eyes are less tired, I think I'll look into rereading the rest of the lower posters, always thought that was a useful exercise for the time commitment.
Does everyone except me see town vs town in the mcmc/WW thing? Because if not we should lynch one of them.
I mean, Joseph, mcmc, Robz is the scum team.
idp: a blog with 4 entries that are all just explaining why there aren't more of them
Does everyone except me see town vs town in the mcmc/WW thing? Because if not we should lynch one of them.
I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
I don't understand this statement.
I won't speak for Robz but to me this means we don't need a lynch so much as we need to see where people position on ever growing wagons. I mean the ones that go to lynch are going to be most informative but as people vote on and off wagons we get information, especially in retrospect.
I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
I don't understand this statement.
I won't speak for Robz but to me this means we don't need a lynch so much as we need to see where people position on ever growing wagons. I mean the ones that go to lynch are going to be most informative but as people vote on and off wagons we get information, especially in retrospect.
Mcmc. If the DAMA still stands, are you scum?
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Lol what? No.I mean, Joseph, mcmc, Robz is the scum team.
That would be awesome but sadly no. Drunk ama
Vote Count 1.3+1Vote: mcmx
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, pingpongsam
Eevee (1): schadd
Joseph2302 (2): Eevee, mcmcsalot
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
pingpongsam (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
So i'm 99% sure Dylan was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
So i'm 99% sure Dylan was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
I do not like this post.
So i'm 99% sure Dylan was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
I do not like this post.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
What's the case on Joseph?
What's the case on Joseph?
I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".
There's never a case on me.What's the case on Joseph?
I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".
Leftover RVS vote. unvoteWhat's the case on Joseph?
I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".
Weird that Eevee is asking that question, when he is voting for him.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Dylan, would you like to explain this?
Btw, I love being scum and unless it's RMM I am pretty meh on being town.This is a somewhat weird quote, because PPS seems pretty in tune with what's happening in the game. Or is it meh as in not as eager to put in a lot of effort?
So, I am clearly town this game.
I would like to reiterate I don't think mcmc is a good lynch. He is basically being singled out for scumhunting too aggressively? I think it's a common reaction to want to lynch someone who has done well lately as scum, because you don't want to be duped by the same person repeatedly over short period, but do we really want to lynch the guy who is driving most of the action? It doesn't even look like particularly opportunistic scumhunting, sure I would agree he is more engaged than I would expect from townmcmc day 1, but this looks to me like punishing him for trying, which kind of sucks.
Reread PPS, which was definitely a weird experience. He doesn't have a lot of posts, but his posts are very full of content. Makes it seem like it's not that he has nothing to say, but more that he is choosing to stay on the back, which is interesting. Not someone I'd be looking to lynch though, I think high content:post ratio is pretty towny in general. My instinct would have been that he has been less helpful than he has, and I think PPS is a pretty self-aware guy and that doesn't seem like a style scum would want to play.Btw, I love being scum and unless it's RMM I am pretty meh on being town.This is a somewhat weird quote, because PPS seems pretty in tune with what's happening in the game. Or is it meh as in not as eager to put in a lot of effort?
So, I am clearly town this game.
I've gotten where D1 really bores me. I mean it's useful later so we have to do it but it's just a dice roll, really. As scum, D1 is more interesting and I am more inclined to drive the game. I disagree that it is overtly towny to drive the game, especially on D1 because that's exactly what I do whe. I am scum.
I'll be more engaged next day when we have a couple flips and maybe some night results.
Good analysis, though. I have focused on contributing solid plays and less posts for this day.
We can agree to disagree on Mickey mac.
What do people think of Andrew? I feel as if no one has said much about him.And what do people think of WW?
And in answer to the actual question, I don't know.What do people think of Andrew? I feel as if no one has said much about him.And what do people think of WW?
I think maybe town for now
I'm eventually going to mod a game and the design criteria will make D1 clutch.
That sounds fun.....I'm eventually going to mod a game and the design criteria will make D1 clutch.
A game for three players.
I'm eventually going to mod a game and the design criteria will make D1 clutch.Agree, D1 is always a crapshoot
Maybe someone should start claiming.I don't think you should crowdsource your claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim
Maybe someone should start claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim
What do people think of Andrew? I feel as if no one has said much about him.
Maybe someone should start claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim
And here I thought we'd left this behind earlier D1...besides, you already claimed SK. Is there a reason you want to bring us back to RVS style posts?
What do people think of Andrew? I feel as if no one has said much about him.
I find Andrew difficult to read so far, I think I am edging townie on him because his posts feel like they are pretty genuinely inquisitive which I find to be a town trait. This is in direct contrast with how I feel about Joseph whose posts have all seemed like he is just posting content for the sake of posting. I agree wholeheartedly with eevee's recent analysis of joseph
Well alright then. Didn't feel the need to post intent to hammer?
PPS is town I think
I started to get uneasy about the L-2 and L-1 votes there. For whatever that's worth.
PPS is town I think
Probably 100% if Joseph is scum, but also very likely if Joseph is town as well.
I started to get uneasy about the L-2 and L-1 votes there. For whatever that's worth.
What? Why?
So, was it better to save yourself just to get for sure NK'd because you are an IC or to have taken the mislynch and let the UB be the new governor?
So, was it better to save yourself just to get for sure NK'd because you are an IC or to have taken the mislynch and let the UB be the new governor?I think PPS is town for suggesting this.
There's still a day of twilight? In which case, I'll try and make some decent reads
So, was it better to save yourself just to get for sure NK'd because you are an IC or to have taken the mislynch and let the UB be the new governor?
Why would the latter be better? And UB isn't guaranteed.
Oh, if he uses his shot and gets killed UB doesn't get a shot.
the people that hammered me are idiots
Oh, if he uses his shot and gets killed UB doesn't get a shot.
Yeah. Did you use your shot already Joseph?
Oh, if he uses his shot and gets killed UB doesn't get a shot.
Yeah. Did you use your shot already Joseph?
He clearly did.
Oh, if he uses his shot and gets killed UB doesn't get a shot.
Yeah. Did you use your shot already Joseph?
He clearly did.
Well first he said he did, then he said he wasn't going to.
Request vote count
What is a night switch?
I thought Governor let us lynch again.
What is a night switch?
Can turn off powers for the night. See Switch Mafia.
only powers from one categoryWhat is a night switch?
Can turn off powers for the night. See Switch Mafia.
That also disables the NK?
See, now, we got us an interesting D1. I knew we had it in me.no, we really didn't.
No. It turns off a town power (they choose a category).
only powers from one categoryWhat is a night switch?
Can turn off powers for the night. See Switch Mafia.
That also disables the NK?See, now, we got us an interesting D1. I knew we had it in me.no, we really didn't.
I like the Gov using it on himself. It's neg utility usually.
Likely kill target tonight, which negates some stuff.
I think a Restless Spirit should claim.rs by design doesn't want to claim i think
You don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1? Damn, I'm really gonna have to step it up when I design that game...ic is like the least interesting person to talk to. wagon information is trash because joseph is lynchbait and no town's could have actually made a reasonable judgement (i voted him for funzies). meanwhile, we had two wagons at all, one of them was kinda cool and the other shot its wad after 10 seconds. no exciting deadline scramble, no interesting decisions, no nothing. and a massive PR became sand.
I like the Gov using it on himself. It's neg utility usually.
Likely kill target tonight, which negates some stuff.
I like the Gov using it on himself. It's neg utility usually.
Likely kill target tonight, which negates some stuff.
Wait, if the Gov uses it on himself and gets NKed, isn't that a waste for the UB? It doesn't make the UB an IC as scum can just counterclaim, right? So wouldn't it be better for the Gov to not use his shot so the UB inherits it?
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
I think a Restless Spirit should claim.rs by design doesn't want to claim i thinkYou don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1? Damn, I'm really gonna have to step it up when I design that game...ic is like the least interesting person to talk to. wagon information is trash because joseph is lynchbait and no town's could have actually made a reasonable judgement (i voted him for funzies). meanwhile, we had two wagons at all, one of them was kinda cool and the other shot its wad after 10 seconds. no exciting deadline scramble, no interesting decisions, no nothing. and a massive PR became sand.
my 3 most recent D1s have set a massive standard: i lynched scum, i almost defended myself from scum, and i vigged scum. you decided the coolest thing that could happen is an informationless, reactionless quickhammer that nobody else pushed/defended
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
I'll be convinced he's an IC after Twilight.
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
I'll be convinced he's an IC after Twilight.
So, we can otherwise have 12 hours of twilight sans governor?
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
I'll be convinced he's an IC after Twilight.
So, we can otherwise have 12 hours of twilight sans governor?
Yea I was sort of asking along the lines of would the thread have autolocked if he was scum or could he be lying for these 12 hours. I'm happy taking the assumption he's telling the truth I was just curious.
Also schadd makes a good point that his day ones have been pretty well played and I do think pps cutting the day short with that hammer was bad. Though again I'm nrnsure why we have this much twilight and if it's because of an early hammer I guess I understand pps just pulling the trigger to get a new type of discussion going for twilight.
Well, that's cool but you aren't describing typical D1s and we were definitely having one of those.sure, and good thing you cut it short before anything interesting happened. for now, all of your justification has been post-hoc, and something you could not have reasonably expected would happen
This! Man I'm really glad I lynched you first in our other game schadd the man makes lots of sense.Well, that's cool but you aren't describing typical D1s and we were definitely having one of those.sure, and good thing you cut it short before anything interesting happened. for now, all of your justification has been post-hoc, and something you could not have reasonably expected would happen
I think PPS hammered because he was bored. Or because he was scum thinking he was being too scummy to be scum. I don't see any other reason to do it.All wrong. I'm on a crusade for one. In this crusade I collect hammers and I make people more wary of running up wagons just for funsies.
I don't see how it would be a productive lie.
I don't see how it would be a productive lie.
Damn, the setup does say twilight lasts 12 hours.
That Joseph is suddenly disappeared looks like a good deal with that info.
I don't see how it would be a productive lie.
Getting claims and interactions out for the rest of the scum team. I agree though it's more likely Joseph is town.
governee not being able to see the flip makes his power pretty weak and I actually think using his shot and making scum kill him is better than giving the governor power to the ub to use later.
Being on a crusade could be seen as being bored therefor deciding to crusade for hammers...but o do believe town pps could be bored/crusadingI think PPS hammered because he was bored. Or because he was scum thinking he was being too scummy to be scum. I don't see any other reason to do it.All wrong. I'm on a crusade for one. In this crusade I collect hammers and I make people more wary of running up wagons just for funsies.
Second to that I thought he would probably flip scum.
I don't see how it would be a productive lie.
And I don't see how telling the truth would be productive for scum.Damn, the setup does say twilight lasts 12 hours.
That Joseph is suddenly disappeared looks like a good deal with that info.
Am I the only one who reads set-ups (aside from schadd)?
I think PPS hammered because he was bored. Or because he was scum thinking he was being too scummy to be scum. I don't see any other reason to do it.All wrong. I'm on a crusade for one. In this crusade I collect hammers and I make people more wary of running up wagons just for funsies.
Second to that I thought he would probably flip scum.
Well, that's cool but you aren't describing typical D1s and we were definitely having one of those.sure, and good thing you cut it short before anything interesting happened. for now, all of your justification has been post-hoc, and something you could not have reasonably expected would happen
Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Nice buddying.
Any other game and we're all worried about assembling a lynch before deadline, especially with the weekend looming. I did us all a favor.
See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Nice buddying.
Note that I made no such assertions about how I expected the day to wind up until after Joseph made his claim.Yea you definitely have been consistent in what you expected to happen and how you acted, it's just a slightly less belivable action than "I knew twilight would last long, I wanted a productive 12 hours with a lynch to discuss instead of wagon hemming and hawing until the eventual same conclusion"
No, my initial attitude was that the day was over and we'd get a flip and move on. In fact, I could dig up and quote where I basically said I did us all favor to end the day early instead of have us do a bunch of hasty posturing and assembling a lynch with half the players absent during the weekend.
Yea but that's what I'm saying is what feels off about idp. Like even him asking what I want from him. Doesn't it seem like he was listening to us talk, heard me say that and then went well crap I should contribute, "what do you want from me". Not a hey here's my thought on the last thing that was said or damn sorry I'm not following every post as it's posted.See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Nice buddying.
Maybe sometimes. I don't know about you but I'm doing this thing while doing other more important things so the timing is generally going to be dictated by those other things and not this thing.
Note that I made no such assertions about how I expected the day to wind up until after Joseph made his claim.Yea you definitely have been consistent in what you expected to happen and how you acted, it's just a slightly less belivable action than "I knew twilight would last long, I wanted a productive 12 hours with a lynch to discuss instead of wagon hemming and hawing until the eventual same conclusion"
No, my initial attitude was that the day was over and we'd get a flip and move on. In fact, I could dig up and quote where I basically said I did us all favor to end the day early instead of have us do a bunch of hasty posturing and assembling a lynch with half the players absent during the weekend.
Yea but that's what I'm saying is what feels off about idp. Like even him asking what I want from him. Doesn't it seem like he was listening to us talk, heard me say that and then went well crap I should contribute, "what do you want from me". Not a hey here's my thought on the last thing that was said or damn sorry I'm not following every post as it's posted.See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Nice buddying.
Maybe sometimes. I don't know about you but I'm doing this thing while doing other more important things so the timing is generally going to be dictated by those other things and not this thing.
Any other game and we're all worried about assembling a lynch before deadline, especially with the weekend looming. I did us all a favor.
Oh, looky there.
Yea but that's what I'm saying is what feels off about idp. Like even him asking what I want from him. Doesn't it seem like he was listening to us talk, heard me say that and then went well crap I should contribute, "what do you want from me". Not a hey here's my thought on the last thing that was said or damn sorry I'm not following every post as it's posted.See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Nice buddying.
Maybe sometimes. I don't know about you but I'm doing this thing while doing other more important things so the timing is generally going to be dictated by those other things and not this thing.
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Witherweaver fos'd eevee pretty quickly, could be on wagon scum going after a townie quickly. I would bet this lynch has more townie on it because of how fast it went.
Probably the main reason I have suspicions of pps is because I remember in my scum games recently, me/jake/lalight had to all be on wagon for awhiiiile, we kept thinking we would have scum off wagon but the wagons would stall for so long we would all have to jump on eventually. This feels like townies honestly likeing this lynch.
That Joseph went poof after supposedly resurrecting himself immediately after the lynch looks super duper fishy to me. I mean, when I am scum I troll the twilight for the lulz, but most do exactly what he just did.
Or maybe Calamitas isn't in this game.Yea he's not, TWM is though and he's kinda a people person version of cal
Vote: Joseph
Reread him, I could definitely see a scum narrative in his voting history (first voted for ashersky, when the tide turned against lynching ash, changed his position to "town because of his antics). Nothing really struck to me as towny in his posting either, hard to put a finger on it but I don't get the impression he is trying to figure things out, more that he wants a lynch through that isn't him. This claim question strengthens that impression, I think town is more concerned with concealing their role because it's better for town regardless of your role, whereas scum might be more anxious to claim because they think it might help get them out of hot water. Basically, for town one can think "well, if I die, it might actually help us win if it happens in the right way", whereas scum MUST avoid getting lynched day 1, because if they go down their team is in very big trouble.
L-2, if I do my math right.
This is eevee's vote thatFtfmeitherwitherweaver didn't like, it is posted 2 hours after a vote count and before the vote count eevee said he was going to reread andrew(which witherweaver asked for opinions on)
So idp was viewing the thread for awhile and then peaced out. Man this whose online thing is usefull.
I am NOT caught up
scum can't be governor you drongus
Town points for Andrew for trying to figure things like that out. Scum maybe wouldn't think to try to figure out those scenarios.I like the Gov using it on himself. It's neg utility usually.
Likely kill target tonight, which negates some stuff.
Wait, if the Gov uses it on himself and gets NKed, isn't that a waste for the UB? It doesn't make the UB an IC as scum can just counterclaim, right? So wouldn't it be better for the Gov to not use his shot so the UB inherits it?
There's an argument for that, yes.
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.This sums up my feelings for the hammer. I know PPS has done these earlier as town, has he done it as scum?
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
This post strikes to me as a little scummy as well. I might be biased about the quality of today as it's pretty cool to me we actually used a governor, but this proclaiming your excellence I think gives scum more of a mandate to make bold moves later, as you quote back to this post showing how good you are. Like, I'm in a constant state of confusion and self-doubt trying to figure this out, it doesn't ring genuine to me when someone is saying "just listen to me because if I don't know who is scum yet, I'm sure I'll know soon" (whereas scum of course doesn't doubt their reads or abilities like town, because they know).I think a Restless Spirit should claim.rs by design doesn't want to claim i thinkYou don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1? Damn, I'm really gonna have to step it up when I design that game...ic is like the least interesting person to talk to. wagon information is trash because joseph is lynchbait and no town's could have actually made a reasonable judgement (i voted him for funzies). meanwhile, we had two wagons at all, one of them was kinda cool and the other shot its wad after 10 seconds. no exciting deadline scramble, no interesting decisions, no nothing. and a massive PR became sand.
my 3 most recent D1s have set a massive standard: i lynched scum, i almost defended myself from scum, and i vigged scum. you decided the coolest thing that could happen is an informationless, reactionless quickhammer that nobody else pushed/defended
This doesn't make any sense to me (the top part). You think people are running up wagons too loosely, and your solution is to wield the hammer every chance you get? How does that make any sense?I think PPS hammered because he was bored. Or because he was scum thinking he was being too scummy to be scum. I don't see any other reason to do it.All wrong. I'm on a crusade for one. In this crusade I collect hammers and I make people more wary of running up wagons just for funsies.
Second to that I thought he would probably flip scum.
Hey schadd and pps do you feel like we are having a conversation and idp is sitting in the corner of the room adding random interjections?I like this point. Definitely feel like scum often ends up doing that, because they are scared of presenting original ideas, but want to seem like they are participating and contributing.
Those people always seem scummy to me.
This doesn't make any sense to me (the top part). You think people are running up wagons too loosely, and your solution is to wield the hammer every chance you get? How does that make any sense?I think PPS hammered because he was bored. Or because he was scum thinking he was being too scummy to be scum. I don't see any other reason to do it.All wrong. I'm on a crusade for one. In this crusade I collect hammers and I make people more wary of running up wagons just for funsies.
Second to that I thought he would probably flip scum.
That Joseph went poof after supposedly resurrecting himself immediately after the lynch looks super duper fishy to me. I mean, when I am scum I troll the twilight for the lulz, but most do exactly what he just did.Yeah, the disappearance definitely makes me feel like this is a possibility as well. One can hope.
I have absolutely zero recollection of TWM making any posts that aren't "sorry, still busy, I'll get to it". I guess he has been busy still, then?Or maybe Calamitas isn't in this game.Yea he's not, TWM is though and he's kinda a people person version of cal
Guilty.Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
You do know Joseph could still be lying. So eevee also didn't read the setup lol
Why would you want to punish town, even one that you perceive to make mistakes?This doesn't make any sense to me (the top part). You think people are running up wagons too loosely, and your solution is to wield the hammer every chance you get? How does that make any sense?I think PPS hammered because he was bored. Or because he was scum thinking he was being too scummy to be scum. I don't see any other reason to do it.All wrong. I'm on a crusade for one. In this crusade I collect hammers and I make people more wary of running up wagons just for funsies.
Second to that I thought he would probably flip scum.
If a wild hammer can appear at any moment it makes people slow down with the wagon creation. I am not a fan of the quick runups just to force claims. I think it is a scum tactic that town frequently initiates and perpetuates as if it is okay and I'm punishing it with my vote.
I have absolutely zero recollection of TWM making any posts that aren't "sorry, still busy, I'll get to it". I guess he has been busy still, then?Or maybe Calamitas isn't in this game.Yea he's not, TWM is though and he's kinda a people person version of cal
Yea the more and more pps answers about why he hammered when and how he did, the more I find it scummy. He is continually explaining it though and that's townie.
Yea the more and more pps answers about why he hammered when and how he did, the more I find it scummy. He is continually explaining it though and that's townie.
Ok. I at least know what happened now. I see little incentive to keep posting reads and stuff here for town. I feel like any further information we have can be saved til Day2 without letting mafia benefit from it going into the night.I feel this is veryyy scummy. For town, the risk of unnecessarily giving mafia information should be far outweighed by the worry of dying in the night and never getting to say your piece, right? Like, aren't you worried that your scarce contributions might trigger a trigger-happy vig, even if you think scum would likely go for someone who has been more active?
I think the more OMGUS we give to mafia going into night the better.
Kill target speculation is good wifom to play.me me me me me!
Nope, it causes a no kill.I thought Governor let us lynch again.
Don't think so.
And I'm town for those that are doubting.
Been busy, will see if there's anything useful I can say this twilight.
But going bed now.
Well done, ash. Not that it really matters, since the UB inherited a use-up governor shot.nop
Well done, ash. Not that it really matters, since the UB inherited a use-up governor shot.nop
first of all, ub is a town asset even if its inheritance doesn't work.Well done, ash. Not that it really matters, since the UB inherited a use-up governor shot.nop
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Joseph is not listed in the vote counts, means he didn't use his shot. Right?Well done, ash. Not that it really matters, since the UB inherited a use-up governor shot.nop
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so our scum team is probably badwhat makes you think this?
Very well done ash, drawing the nightkill as the VT is a heroic feat.
they were wrong about ash. i mean, i didn't think about it that hard (smiley face with halo emoji) but i didn't think he was ub.so our scum team is probably badwhat makes you think this?
Joseph is not listed in the vote counts, means he didn't use his shot. Right?Well done, ash. Not that it really matters, since the UB inherited a use-up governor shot.nop
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Very well done ash, drawing the nightkill as the VT is a heroic feat.
i also feel that feeling
vote: eevee
I feel Vote: Eevee is the right thing to do.
Joseph is not listed in the vote counts, means he didn't use his shot. Right?Well done, ash. Not that it really matters, since the UB inherited a use-up governor shot.nop
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Very well done ash, drawing the nightkill as the VT is a heroic feat.
Yes
Why and why?he made a comment that was unhelpful other than making it seem like he wasn't the one planning the nightkill.
Yes
Vote: WW
Why and why?he made a comment that was unhelpful other than making it seem like he wasn't the one planning the nightkill.
i should go ahead and make the case of my thoughts yesterDay at some point
Vote Count 1.final
mcmcsalot (3): Dylan32, ashersky, Joseph2302Joseph2302 (5+2):, mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 13-1 alive, it took 5+2 to lynch. Twilight ends at 13-2.13+2pm FT.
Hmmi'm not sure i follow
Kill target speculation is good wifom to play.
Which comment?Why and why?he made a comment that was unhelpful other than making it seem like he wasn't the one planning the nightkill.
i should go ahead and make the case of my thoughts yesterDay at some point
Which comment?
Very well done ash, drawing the nightkill as the VT is a heroic feat.mcmc and pps did it as well, yours sounded the most politician-y to me. i am leaning scum on pps rn as well
I think others can attest I try to make a point of being nice to people and giving credit where I think it's due regardless of my alignment. Especially true for ashersky because we've had some bad blood in the past.Which comment?Very well done ash, drawing the nightkill as the VT is a heroic feat.mcmc and pps did it as well, yours sounded the most politician-y to me. i am leaning scum on pps rn as well
Yeah, I guess. But I do think it's likely ash is simply the real UB.eevee, would you like to comment on this?
Very glad to have been very wrong! Total misread from my part, you guys were all the voice of reason.Yeah, I guess. But I do think it's likely ash is simply the real UB.eevee, would you like to comment on this?
schadd: 78Yay! So as robz pointed out unless all scum was on wagon one of idp, dylan, and TWM has to be scum. They also have extremely low content.
Mcmc:76
Ww: 70
Pps: 69
Eevee: 43
Andrew 34
Robz: 26
IDPTG: 26
Dylan: 15
TWM: 15
schadd: 78Yay! So as robz pointed out unless all scum was on wagon one of idp, dylan, and TWM has to be scum. They also have extremely low content.
Mcmc:76
Ww: 70
Pps: 69
Eevee: 43
Andrew 34
Robz: 26
IDPTG: 26
Dylan: 15
TWM: 15
I think vote: idp is the most likely, he has been around and lurky, I would guess dylan as another scum as well.
Very glad to have been very wrong! Total misread from my part, you guys were all the voice of reason.Yeah, I guess. But I do think it's likely ash is simply the real UB.eevee, would you like to comment on this?
I don't particularly like this although I'm having trouble putting my finger on why. The "voice of reason" bit seems like a strange choice of words but it doesn't seem inherently anything to me.Had I been right, I'd totally be gloating about it. Only fair I beat myself up a little now that I wasn't.
Yes
Vote: WW
Vote: mcmc
Vote: Dylan
Vote: Dylan
I mean, maybe it's just me but I like to see some substance from votes.
Yes
Vote: WWVote: mcmcVote: DylanVote: Dylan
I mean, maybe it's just me but I like to see some substance from votes.
Also, I like Robz's idea of there being scum off wagon. There's no way the whole scum team was on the lynch wagon yesterday. I'll do a reread.
I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
I don't understand this statement.
I won't speak for Robz but to me this means we don't need a lynch so much as we need to see where people position on ever growing wagons. I mean the ones that go to lynch are going to be most informative but as people vote on and off wagons we get information, especially in retrospect.
Yeah this is how I took it also.
And lol TWM. Early I try to post little bits of reads so people know where I stand unless I see something I think is really strong evidence. Then I will post a lot more. More often than not, I'm incorrect about whatever conclusion I come to when that happens though, sadly (i.e. schadd circa squid girl, gkrieg circa stranger things). The only thing I think I've actually gotten right recently was protecting gkrieg as the bodyguard in squid girl mafia. Nailed it. not that it helped much...
Mcmc. If the DAMA still stands, are you scum?
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
So i'm 99% sure Dylan was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
I do not like this post.
This one:So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Dylan, would you like to explain this?
I would actually like to know how you(dylan) came to think this as well.
DAMA = Drunk, ask me anything
Ok I just reread IDPTG from the beginning of D1 through twilight and found nothing of note. His posting was so sporadic, there were a couple setup comments about the UB, a couple comments about not lynching ash, a couple "stop joking" posts, and that's pretty much it. Null.At this point, I don't think "no posts of note" should make someone null anymore.DAMA = Drunk, ask me anything
Right, thanks.
So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
This post is voteable (word I just made up)
Vote: Dylan
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
He didn't in the game I was in with him. I asked schadd to prod him about 5 times in my personal QT.
based purely off of memory and then going back to the list of players, I am leaning toward one of the following: ww, dylan, IDontplay and schadd and maaaaybe ash?
So I guess those are people I should look at more specifically
Ok. I at least know what happened now. I see little incentive to keep posting reads and stuff here for town. I feel like any further information we have can be saved til Day2 without letting mafia benefit from it going into the night.
I think the more OMGUS we give to mafia going into night the better.
oops, wrong acronym there. Not OMGUS, but WIFOM. You'd think with my username I would have remembered that better.
Why is that towny? I think scum is more likely to throw vague suspicions around (and I also think that regardless of his alignment mcmc probably just didn't see the question, I don't think scummcmc-would try to dodge like that).
I actually reread Dylan before my vote, but just didn't have time to type a longer post. I saw low activity (most of the 15 posts were not game-related) non-towny voting, I particularly disagreed with him suspecting mcmc as the main contribution because I thought mcmc looked towny all day.
My vote on Dylan (and it's reasons).
Why do you think town is more likely to do online status policing than scum?
I don't know if there is any precedent, but my intuition would be that scum would be more likely to be on the lookout for these kind of "mishaps" that could make someone suspicious than town.
How is dylan confirmed town to you?Yes
Vote: WWVote: mcmcVote: DylanVote: Dylan
I mean, maybe it's just me but I like to see some substance from votes.
Also, I like Robz's idea of there being scum off wagon. There's no way the whole scum team was on the lynch wagon yesterday. I'll do a reread.
Simple, I already had suspicions on mcmc and now I know that his wagon yesterday had 3 confirmed (to me) town on it. Also, mcmc was on wagon for the Jacob mislynch (yeah, so was I but we're talking about from my perspective).
PPE: 1 - I agree with mcmc. Why is Dylan confirmed town, pps?
PPE: 1 - I agree with mcmc. Why is Dylan confirmed town, pps?
He isn't, but I am to me. My point being when mcmc wagon was a growin' and I was on it it wouldn't really go anywhere and got poo poo'd for being too early to get so big blah blah.
So we mislynched Jacob instead.
That mcmc wagon was over half town for sure (to me). Makes me think it stagnated and was derailed by skim skam scum, namely mcmc hisscumself.
PPE: 1 - I agree with mcmc. Why is Dylan confirmed town, pps?
He isn't, but I am to me. My point being when mcmc wagon was a growin' and I was on it it wouldn't really go anywhere and got poo poo'd for being too early to get so big blah blah.
So we mislynched Jacob instead.
That mcmc wagon was over half town for sure (to me). Makes me think it stagnated and was derailed by skim skam scum, namely mcmc hisscumself.
Yay, this here kids is the beginning of what we call a "case". I don't even mind that it's on me, pps now if you go do the second leg and figure out who poo poo'd my wagon and pushed the tide toward Joseph. Who moved between the two wagons and why. Then if it still points towards me being scummy I can try to defend myself and help explain things.
Vote Count 1.3
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, Robz888
Eevee (2): schadd, Joseph2302
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
Joseph2302 (1): Eevee
Not Voting (2): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.Vote Count 1.3+1Vote: mcmx
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, pingpongsam
Eevee (1): schadd
Joseph2302 (2): Eevee, mcmcsalot
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
pingpongsam (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
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idptg, could you explain to me why it would make sense that one scum is of wagon?
I wouldn't go so far as to say I have you pegged as town.
justify it (i think? i want you to explain to me why you think it's likely that there was a scum off wagon in this game D1)idptg, could you explain to me why it would make sense that one scum is of wagon?
Are you asking me to justify it or why I'm going with it?
I wouldn't go so far as to say I have you pegged as town.
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
He didn't in the game I was in with him. I asked schadd to prod him about 5 times in my personal QT.
This is interesting. To anyone else who knows scum!mcmc, is this true?
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
He didn't in the game I was in with him. I asked schadd to prod him about 5 times in my personal QT.
This is interesting. To anyone else who knows scum!mcmc, is this true?
I can provide the link to my personal QT if that is allowed? But I think schadd could just attest that I asked mcmc to be prodded a lot.
Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum. Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.
He didn't in the game I was in with him. I asked schadd to prod him about 5 times in my personal QT.
This is interesting. To anyone else who knows scum!mcmc, is this true?
I can provide the link to my personal QT if that is allowed? But I think schadd could just attest that I asked mcmc to be prodded a lot.
You can provide a link to your personal QT from a different game, if that game is now completed, sure.
Not sure how I feel about this. Telling town to stop discussing things is scummy, but I think what he's saying is it was post-lynch and the damage had been done, and there's nothing town can do until D2 with further discussion whereas scum can use it to better narrow down who they want to kill N1 (though it looks like that didn't go so well). I think this is more pro-town than anything.
Slight scum read on TWM but there's so little to go on. Most of his other posts were one sentence, a few apologizing for not being around.
OK. I would rather wait for schadd to give the ok as it is technically his QT that he created from his game.go ahead. the link is accessible from the mod QT anyway
justify it (i think? i want you to explain to me why you think it's likely that there was a scum off wagon in this game D1)idptg, could you explain to me why it would make sense that one scum is of wagon?
Are you asking me to justify it or why I'm going with it?
justify it (i think? i want you to explain to me why you think it's likely that there was a scum off wagon in this game D1)idptg, could you explain to me why it would make sense that one scum is of wagon?
Are you asking me to justify it or why I'm going with it?
Robz kinda said it, mcmc went with it, Eevee agreed with the statistics, and it seemed logical enough to me. However, understand that I don't know anything about scum. I've never been scum. I've never even seen scum lynched. So my answer to "what's going through the mind of scum!(player)" is going to be more speculative than another person's would be.
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
... pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.
You don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1?this sounds like arguing pro-town to me
... pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.
Not sure where I angled for that. Pretty clear it was to punish poor play. Pretty sure it's fairly anti town unless it hit scum which would be where I would angle for cred. It didn't so I'm not but you saying I am looks like trying to make me look scummier.
You don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1?this sounds like arguing pro-town to me
You don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1?this sounds like arguing pro-town to me
Buddying kinda hard, aren't you?
You don't think improving our D2 start, having an IC to read for 12 hours, and having some wagon info to weigh in on beforehand isn't better than the typical D1?this sounds like arguing pro-town to me
... pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.
Not sure where I angled for that. Pretty clear it was to punish poor play. Pretty sure it's fairly anti town unless it hit scum which would be where I would angle for cred. It didn't so I'm not but you saying I am looks like trying to make me look scummier.
Yeah it's anti-town and obviously scummy, so you would count on everyone dismissing it as so blatantly scummy it had to come from town. A little WIFOM but it's not that much of a stretch.
... pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.
Not sure where I angled for that. Pretty clear it was to punish poor play. Pretty sure it's fairly anti town unless it hit scum which would be where I would angle for cred. It didn't so I'm not but you saying I am looks like trying to make me look scummier.
Yeah it's anti-town and obviously scummy, so you would count on everyone dismissing it as so blatantly scummy it had to come from town. A little WIFOM but it's not that much of a stretch.
If it's such an obvious scum ploy then I must be scum so why aren't you voting me?
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
I am only a slight scum read. (woah, my iPad just autocorrected too mcmcsalot instead of the other way around) is a number one scum read. But I am getting the vote.
This is what I was talking about.
Vote: andrew
Eevee I just did not like from yesterday.
IDP I would do.. my scum read on him cooled yesterday, but did not shift to town.
Dylan I don't have any impression on.. I can't actually recall anything he's done. I would lynch there.
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
I am only a slight scum read. (woah, my iPad just autocorrected too mcmcsalot instead of the other way around) is a number one scum read. But I am getting the vote.
This is what I was talking about.
Vote: andrew
Again, mcmc is my #1 scum read. But if we're only lynching off wagon today, you would be my choice. Not sure what you mean by "this is what I was talking about".
I can understand why that might be an idea to at least look at, but you are taking it as a rule.yes, i was concerned idptg was doing this as well.
Eevee I just did not like from yesterday.
IDP I would do.. my scum read on him cooled yesterday, but did not shift to town.
Dylan I don't have any impression on.. I can't actually recall anything he's done. I would lynch there.
What didn't you like about Eevee? Just the vote?
based purely off of memory and then going back to the list of players, I am leaning toward one of the following: ww, dylan, IDontplay and schadd and maaaaybe ash?
So I guess those are people I should look at more specifically
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
I am only a slight scum read. (woah, my iPad just autocorrected too mcmcsalot instead of the other way around) is a number one scum read. But I am getting the vote.
This is what I was talking about.
Vote: andrew
Again, mcmc is my #1 scum read. But if we're only lynching off wagon today, you would be my choice. Not sure what you mean by "this is what I was talking about".
There is no set rule that we have to lynch off wagon. I can understand why that might be an idea to at least look at, but you are taking it as a rule.
There are 10 players alive. 3 that were off wagon and 7 that were on. I personally think it somewhat unlikely that more than one mafia was off wagon (from my perspective that would mean it would have to be Dylan and IDPTG, which certainly could be possible, but I think rather unlikely). So that is a 1/3 (0.33) chance (1/2 of two from my perspective, but I think it makes more sense to look at it from a strictly neutral position when trying to do these numbers) at best as there is still a decent chance the number of scum off wagon is zero.
As for on wagon it is likely either 3/7 (0.42) or 2/7 (0.28) that are mafia. So I don't think a rule to have to lynch off wagon today is worth ignoring "strong scum reads" as I think that is potentially what mafia is trying to do. Push a lynch onto an area where there are zero or one mafia and safely ignore the area where there is likely to be a higher number on wagon.
Eevee was the primary mover from the mcmc wagon to the Joseph wagon yesterday. I'm not sure what everyone else is considering him for but that is the most solid piece of evidence.
Eevee was the primary mover from the mcmc wagon to the Joseph wagon yesterday. I'm not sure what everyone else is considering him for but that is the most solid piece of evidence.
Eevee wasn't the primary mover at all. Eevee was never on my wagon, he was on joesph as an Rvs vote, eevee always townread me and then after a vote count he unvoted his Rvs vote, reread Joseph and then put him to l-2 with yes by the best explaination in the world but robz/ww/schadd all jumped quickly on the wagon with no explaination so I can't see how eevee's vote for Joseph is any scummier than the rest of our votes.
based purely off of memory and then going back to the list of players, I am leaning toward one of the following: ww, dylan, IDontplay and schadd and maaaaybe ash?
So I guess those are people I should look at more specifically
Also here is a spot where twm suspected idp and Dylan, so again wierd that he's so set that we should lynch on wagon vs off wagon. This feels like more than a townie not wanting to be on the side of the wagon we are targeting.
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
I am only a slight scum read. (woah, my iPad just autocorrected too mcmcsalot instead of the other way around) is a number one scum read. But I am getting the vote.
This is what I was talking about.
Vote: andrew
Again, mcmc is my #1 scum read. But if we're only lynching off wagon today, you would be my choice. Not sure what you mean by "this is what I was talking about".
There is no set rule that we have to lynch off wagon. I can understand why that might be an idea to at least look at, but you are taking it as a rule.
There are 10 players alive. 3 that were off wagon and 7 that were on. I personally think it somewhat unlikely that more than one mafia was off wagon (from my perspective that would mean it would have to be Dylan and IDPTG, which certainly could be possible, but I think rather unlikely). So that is a 1/3 (0.33) chance (1/2 of two from my perspective, but I think it makes more sense to look at it from a strictly neutral position when trying to do these numbers) at best as there is still a decent chance the number of scum off wagon is zero.
As for on wagon it is likely either 3/7 (0.42) or 2/7 (0.28) that are mafia. So I don't think a rule to have to lynch off wagon today is worth ignoring "strong scum reads" as I think that is potentially what mafia is trying to do. Push a lynch onto an area where there are zero or one mafia and safely ignore the area where there is likely to be a higher number on wagon.
Well I'm certainly not going to argue against lynching my biggest scum read, who happened to be on wagon. I was under the impression that we were all decided we were lynching off wagon today. I can understand why you wouldn't want that, being off wagon and all.
Also twm responded more aggressively towards being called a lurker than I expected. 15 posts compared to the average player having 45 posts is pretty low on content. Also many of your posts as people pointed out were apologizing for being gone. Essentially I would like your thought on each and every player. It doesn't have to be a reread, I assume you are caught up and just want your current thoughts.
scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town.
scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town.
I'm certainly considering this as a possibility and is another strong reason fro my current vote
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Any thoughts on the UB claiming? I haven't seen a downside other than potentially losing a 1-shot Governor tonight and that doesn't seem terrible to me.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Any thoughts on the UB claiming? I haven't seen a downside other than potentially losing a 1-shot Governor tonight and that doesn't seem terrible to me.
scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town.
I'm certainly considering this as a possibility and is another strong reason fro my current vote
what would be the benefit of claiming ub?
As I understand the setup, we had to have rolled two 9's to get a governor, yes?
having reads that one can trust isn't an entirely good thing
As I understand the setup, we had to have rolled two 9's to get a governor, yes?
Furthermore, if we rolled ten 6's it would be equivalent to rolling six 6's and four 1's, right?
what would be the benefit of claiming ub?
pps and idptg, what do you think of each other?
pps and idptg, what do you think of each other?Im just going to reiterate for no reason at all that schadd is town.
Im going to continue hating the uselessness of people's answers to questions that might help us play the game...pps and idptg, what do you think of each other?I think he wasn't lying when he said he doesn't read set-ups.
I'm pretty much null on ICPjuggalo but I'm leaning town enough to be very hard pressed to lynch him today.i hope you realize that this is having your cake & eating it if you two are partners
cool. alignment, though
Im going to continue hating the uselessness of people's answers to questions that might help us play the game...pps and idptg, what do you think of each other?I think he wasn't lying when he said he doesn't read set-ups.
twm, how did you like m91?
cool. alignment, though
I don't know. The hammer didn't seem super towny, but people who know PPS better than I do are writing it off as something he does so I don't know what to make of that. Nothing else is screaming scum so I really have no idea.
And how am I supposed to tell the difference between that question and the following quote?do you think that question wasn't relevant to this game?twm, how did you like m91?
Well for what it's worth I don't like that schadd asked that question when he did, but I'm not sure how that one non-game related question from a day ago has sent you into such a tizzy that you can no longer understand when you should answer questions thoroughly and not...Im going to continue hating the uselessness of people's answers to questions that might help us play the game...pps and idptg, what do you think of each other?I think he wasn't lying when he said he doesn't read set-ups.
And how am I supposed to tell the difference between that question and the following quote?twm, how did you like m91?
cool. alignment, though
I don't know. The hammer didn't seem super towny, but people who know PPS better than I do are writing it off as something he does so I don't know what to make of that. Nothing else is screaming scum so I really have no idea.
Can someone who has played lots with idp let me know if he is always this cautious and scared to have an opinion. This is textbook newbie scum continually claiming they are trying but just don't have great reads ect. ect. But it maybe idp has t played lots and mislynched town really badly in a newbie game and is all shell shocked and stuff.
I'm pretty much null on ICPjuggalo but I'm leaning town enough to be very hard pressed to lynch him today.i hope you realize that this is having your cake & eating it if you two are partners
you correctly townread me in m94
Very specific meta argument, schadd is right you are shoving your face full of cake and promising there's not another cake in the fridge because.I'm pretty much null on ICPjuggalo but I'm leaning town enough to be very hard pressed to lynch him today.i hope you realize that this is having your cake & eating it if you two are partners
hopefully, you realize that were I scum I simply would never say such a thing about my partner.
I may vote dylan. schadd and I have been way more buddy buddy than eevee and I. Also the conclusions dylan made are that if I am town, he wants to lynch andrew or pps which is basically what I had said about how andrew and pps moved from me to Joseph scummily. He makes no conclusion about what me being town says about eevee. Then he says if I'm scum eevee is certainly scum, which I don't know how he has gotten to. Then he ends with a scummy if we're going to look off wagon twm is the scummy one but doesn't give any reasons whatso ever as to why.
All he is doing is setting up people he wants to lynch with almost no reasons other than mcmc and eevee are buddying eachother.
Also I want to clarify I really think his explaination for why andrew and pps are people he would look to if I were town is indicative of him being scum. After a complete reread it's a really general reasoning that is setting up where he can pivot when I flip town. He's not even thinking about what eevee flipping town would mean which is wierd since it's an eevee/me interaction not just me. It's just very "I've made one read I'm basing all my other reads on so I can change them" I do this as scum lots.
Twm you just seem to be overly concerned with where we are looking for our lynch target. This is why I would consider you a lurker. Rather than commenting on if you think one of idp/dylan is scum, or making a case on someone on wagon you have just voiced concern over where we are looking.
Perhaps you have a good theory, scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town. That's a thought, then you need to go through and do the work, see who has initiated the off wagon suspicion, who has agreed/disagreed, have the votes of those players and the prior reeds of those players been consistent with what they are currently pushing or not. Then present that info to town so we can analyze see if we think your right and maybe form a wagon on someone
sigging before the game is over is kinda yuckynoted and removed
robz has been a bit quiet. if you do the "yeah i'm kinda disengaged because i'm town" thing i'm going to eat you
So I don't want to turn this into a debate because it's not helpful but here's my main issue with this. You say it's frustrating because when you do come on you feel like you have to defend yourself from people arbitrarily wanting to lynch a lurker off wagon. Okay that's understandable but let's do the work, who's arbitrarily saying we should lynch off wagon, I want to lynch off wagon because of the very specific and quick way that the Joseph wagon came to be, in my opinion it is different than many wagons and we will have a better chance of finding scum off wagon. Now let's do the work and see how you defended yourself, well you basically just apologized for lurking you didn't explain maybe why you were off wagon yesterday or any other real defense. Then you go on to say you would love to go back and see if your theory works and say you hope to today. Why does that feel to me like you are not going to have the time today, and then you will feel the game has moved on too far past where your analysis would help and that's where your wrong. If you are town I don't want you getting stuck in a rut thinking you don't have the time to craft a case because by the time you put it together it will be irrelevant. If it means you will post content, post whatever the content you have, when you have it, don't waste time worrying it's not going to help or thinking you should be catching up and talking about current things.Twm you just seem to be overly concerned with where we are looking for our lynch target. This is why I would consider you a lurker. Rather than commenting on if you think one of idp/dylan is scum, or making a case on someone on wagon you have just voiced concern over where we are looking.
Perhaps you have a good theory, scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town. That's a thought, then you need to go through and do the work, see who has initiated the off wagon suspicion, who has agreed/disagreed, have the votes of those players and the prior reeds of those players been consistent with what they are currently pushing or not. Then present that info to town so we can analyze see if we think your right and maybe form a wagon on someone
That makes sense. I get what you are saying, but man, I just haven't had the time to go and do the work. Especially when I feel like when I come on, I have to defend myself to an extent from people who want to arbitrarily lynch a "lurker" who was off-wagon.
I would love to go back and actually see if my theory makes sense and I hope to at some point today, unless someone decides it is a good idea to do a quick hammer again.
And honestly. I just haven't seen a whole lot on first read that has really caught my eye. Last game, it was easier to an extent. I could just force it as scum. Arbitrarily decide something was scummy or sheep someone else and then state it as such and all was good for the most part. This game, between being town and having little time it hasn't been very optimal to putting reads out there.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Any thoughts on the UB claiming? I haven't seen a downside other than potentially losing a 1-shot Governor tonight and that doesn't seem terrible to me.
Woah I don't think ub claim is good. Mainly because it's nowhere near claim time. And the ub can reverse there own lynch now with the governor shot.
cool. alignment, though
I don't know. The hammer didn't seem super towny, but people who know PPS better than I do are writing it off as something he does so I don't know what to make of that. Nothing else is screaming scum so I really have no idea.
Can someone who has played lots with idp let me know if he is always this cautious and scared to have an opinion. This is textbook newbie scum continually claiming they are trying but just don't have great reads ect. ect. But it maybe idp has t played lots and mislynched town really badly in a newbie game and is all shell shocked and stuff.
Twm you just seem to be overly concerned with where we are looking for our lynch target. This is why I would consider you a lurker. Rather than commenting on if you think one of idp/dylan is scum, or making a case on someone on wagon you have just voiced concern over where we are looking.
Perhaps you have a good theory, scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town. That's a thought, then you need to go through and do the work, see who has initiated the off wagon suspicion, who has agreed/disagreed, have the votes of those players and the prior reeds of those players been consistent with what they are currently pushing or not. Then present that info to town so we can analyze see if we think your right and maybe form a wagon on someone
That makes sense. I get what you are saying, but man, I just haven't had the time to go and do the work. Especially when I feel like when I come on, I have to defend myself to an extent from people who want to arbitrarily lynch a "lurker" who was off-wagon.
I would love to go back and actually see if my theory makes sense and I hope to at some point today, unless someone decides it is a good idea to do a quick hammer again.
And honestly. I just haven't seen a whole lot on first read that has really caught my eye. Last game, it was easier to an extent. I could just force it as scum. Arbitrarily decide something was scummy or sheep someone else and then state it as such and all was good for the most part. This game, between being town and having little time it hasn't been very optimal to putting reads out there.
Starting to think I'm really not cut out for this game. Because nothing makes any sense. Ever. I've yet to have a correct read. Sure, I've gotten alignments correct, but that'll happen statistically and something's always been off.
I'm pretty much null on ICPjuggalo but I'm leaning town enough to be very hard pressed to lynch him today.i hope you realize that this is having your cake & eating it if you two are partners
hopefully, you realize that were I scum I simply would never say such a thing about my partner.
So I just reread the entire game, and mcmc and eevee seemed way too buddy-buddy for mutually town-reading each other if you didn't actually have something concrete to assure you the other person was also town. Even when I am town reading someone, I recognize the fact I could be wrong and take everything with a grain of salt, but you guys don't seem to have done that at all. So I wouldn't definitely want to lynch one of the two of you. Also, after the hammer on Joseph, there were 3 conftowns (to me) on mcmc's wagon. Andrew and PPS were the last two on that moved if I remember correctly. If mcmc is town, then I would want to lynch one of Andrew or PPS; not sure which yet, but would lean Andrew just because pps has seemed otherwise towny aside from the quickhammer (which, again, he would definitely still do as town, sadly). If mcmc is scum, I'd stake my in game life on Eevee being scum too.
Someone was wanting to know what I thought about the suspicious on me I think. I think given how low my post count is, it is at least understandable, but from the little experience I have, lynching low post count people hits inactive town WAY more than it hits lurking scum, because scum is more careful to contribute at least somewhat regularly. I would probably go so far as to speculate that statistically scum is most likely to be in the mid-range band of post counts because they know lurking is the stereotypical scum tell, but higher post counts are more risky (but also can pay off more; e.g. scum!mcmc driving--if not this game--previous games).
So I don't want to turn this into a debate because it's not helpful but here's my main issue with this. You say it's frustrating because when you do come on you feel like you have to defend yourself from people arbitrarily wanting to lynch a lurker off wagon. Okay that's understandable but let's do the work, who's arbitrarily saying we should lynch off wagon, I want to lynch off wagon because of the very specific and quick way that the Joseph wagon came to be, in my opinion it is different than many wagons and we will have a better chance of finding scum off wagon. Now let's do the work and see how you defended yourself, well you basically just apologized for lurking you didn't explain maybe why you were off wagon yesterday or any other real defense. Then you go on to say you would love to go back and see if your theory works and say you hope to today. Why does that feel to me like you are not going to have the time today, and then you will feel the game has moved on too far past where your analysis would help and that's where your wrong. If you are town I don't want you getting stuck in a rut thinking you don't have the time to craft a case because by the time you put it together it will be irrelevant. If it means you will post content, post whatever the content you have, when you have it, don't waste time worrying it's not going to help or thinking you should be catching up and talking about current things.Twm you just seem to be overly concerned with where we are looking for our lynch target. This is why I would consider you a lurker. Rather than commenting on if you think one of idp/dylan is scum, or making a case on someone on wagon you have just voiced concern over where we are looking.
Perhaps you have a good theory, scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town. That's a thought, then you need to go through and do the work, see who has initiated the off wagon suspicion, who has agreed/disagreed, have the votes of those players and the prior reeds of those players been consistent with what they are currently pushing or not. Then present that info to town so we can analyze see if we think your right and maybe form a wagon on someone
That makes sense. I get what you are saying, but man, I just haven't had the time to go and do the work. Especially when I feel like when I come on, I have to defend myself to an extent from people who want to arbitrarily lynch a "lurker" who was off-wagon.
I would love to go back and actually see if my theory makes sense and I hope to at some point today, unless someone decides it is a good idea to do a quick hammer again.
And honestly. I just haven't seen a whole lot on first read that has really caught my eye. Last game, it was easier to an extent. I could just force it as scum. Arbitrarily decide something was scummy or sheep someone else and then state it as such and all was good for the most part. This game, between being town and having little time it hasn't been very optimal to putting reads out there.
i would prefer not to elaborate at this timei would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Any thoughts on the UB claiming? I haven't seen a downside other than potentially losing a 1-shot Governor tonight and that doesn't seem terrible to me.
Woah I don't think ub claim is good. Mainly because it's nowhere near claim time. And the ub can reverse there own lynch now with the governor shot.
cool. alignment, though
I don't know. The hammer didn't seem super towny, but people who know PPS better than I do are writing it off as something he does so I don't know what to make of that. Nothing else is screaming scum so I really have no idea.
Can someone who has played lots with idp let me know if he is always this cautious and scared to have an opinion. This is textbook newbie scum continually claiming they are trying but just don't have great reads ect. ect. But it maybe idp has t played lots and mislynched town really badly in a newbie game and is all shell shocked and stuff.
Starting to think I'm really not cut out for this game. Because nothing makes any sense. Ever. I've yet to have a correct read. Sure, I've gotten alignments correct, but that'll happen statistically and something's always been off.
I'm pretty much null on ICPjuggalo but I'm leaning town enough to be very hard pressed to lynch him today.i hope you realize that this is having your cake & eating it if you two are partners
hopefully, you realize that were I scum I simply would never say such a thing about my partner.
So I just reread the entire game, and mcmc and eevee seemed way too buddy-buddy for mutually town-reading each other if you didn't actually have something concrete to assure you the other person was also town. Even when I am town reading someone, I recognize the fact I could be wrong and take everything with a grain of salt, but you guys don't seem to have done that at all. So I wouldn't definitely want to lynch one of the two of you. Also, after the hammer on Joseph, there were 3 conftowns (to me) on mcmc's wagon. Andrew and PPS were the last two on that moved if I remember correctly. If mcmc is town, then I would want to lynch one of Andrew or PPS; not sure which yet, but would lean Andrew just because pps has seemed otherwise towny aside from the quickhammer (which, again, he would definitely still do as town, sadly). If mcmc is scum, I'd stake my in game life on Eevee being scum too.
Someone was wanting to know what I thought about the suspicious on me I think. I think given how low my post count is, it is at least understandable, but from the little experience I have, lynching low post count people hits inactive town WAY more than it hits lurking scum, because scum is more careful to contribute at least somewhat regularly. I would probably go so far as to speculate that statistically scum is most likely to be in the mid-range band of post counts because they know lurking is the stereotypical scum tell, but higher post counts are more risky (but also can pay off more; e.g. scum!mcmc driving--if not this game--previous games).
So I don't want to turn this into a debate because it's not helpful but here's my main issue with this. You say it's frustrating because when you do come on you feel like you have to defend yourself from people arbitrarily wanting to lynch a lurker off wagon. Okay that's understandable but let's do the work, who's arbitrarily saying we should lynch off wagon, I want to lynch off wagon because of the very specific and quick way that the Joseph wagon came to be, in my opinion it is different than many wagons and we will have a better chance of finding scum off wagon. Now let's do the work and see how you defended yourself, well you basically just apologized for lurking you didn't explain maybe why you were off wagon yesterday or any other real defense. Then you go on to say you would love to go back and see if your theory works and say you hope to today. Why does that feel to me like you are not going to have the time today, and then you will feel the game has moved on too far past where your analysis would help and that's where your wrong. If you are town I don't want you getting stuck in a rut thinking you don't have the time to craft a case because by the time you put it together it will be irrelevant. If it means you will post content, post whatever the content you have, when you have it, don't waste time worrying it's not going to help or thinking you should be catching up and talking about current things.Twm you just seem to be overly concerned with where we are looking for our lynch target. This is why I would consider you a lurker. Rather than commenting on if you think one of idp/dylan is scum, or making a case on someone on wagon you have just voiced concern over where we are looking.
Perhaps you have a good theory, scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town. That's a thought, then you need to go through and do the work, see who has initiated the off wagon suspicion, who has agreed/disagreed, have the votes of those players and the prior reeds of those players been consistent with what they are currently pushing or not. Then present that info to town so we can analyze see if we think your right and maybe form a wagon on someone
That makes sense. I get what you are saying, but man, I just haven't had the time to go and do the work. Especially when I feel like when I come on, I have to defend myself to an extent from people who want to arbitrarily lynch a "lurker" who was off-wagon.
I would love to go back and actually see if my theory makes sense and I hope to at some point today, unless someone decides it is a good idea to do a quick hammer again.
And honestly. I just haven't seen a whole lot on first read that has really caught my eye. Last game, it was easier to an extent. I could just force it as scum. Arbitrarily decide something was scummy or sheep someone else and then state it as such and all was good for the most part. This game, between being town and having little time it hasn't been very optimal to putting reads out there.
i would prefer not to elaborate at this timei would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
I don't thnk we are in a debate. Like I said I get town vibes from you for this. And see some points to what you say. I hadn't noted or thought of your point about how the wagon formed. Thinking of that more the main scenario I see for all scum being on wagon is if PPS is mafia himself. And that is something that has been discussed a bit. I personally didn't love his hammer, he says some good came out of it, but many of the good parts would have happened with any hammer at any stage of the game, but it certainly negatively impacted me (and possibly others?) and my ability to get into the game (not that he could have known that or should have cared if he did) as generally weekends are when I am the most free.
I would not quickhammer as scum on D1. I would hammer for sure but I'd follow intent to hammer protocol.
i would prefer not to elaborate at this timei would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
I would not quickhammer as scum on D1. I would hammer for sure but I'd follow intent to hammer protocol.i would no longer like to receive correspondences of this kind
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I think mcmc is actually my 2nd highest townread, for providing the highest quality of analysis.
Had a busy day, glad to have been missed! Going to sleep soon now as well, very tireeed.
I don't think mcmc or ash are good lynches. Mcmc is driving the conversation so much, I think there is some utility in that. Ash is playing a little different than I'd expect, but I don't think he is looking scummy. Definitely interesting though, like I feel there is something I'm missing.
schadd I can never read, but he seems super sure I'm scum. (I'm not!!)
Robz and PPS continue being less forceful than I'd expect, but I don't really have a strong read to push either, so it feels hypocritical to blame them too much.
I think best lynch candidates would be the quiet, least splashy people. When my eyes are less tired, I think I'll look into rereading the rest of the lower posters, always thought that was a useful exercise for the time commitment.
I would like to reiterate I don't think mcmc is a good lynch. He is basically being singled out for scumhunting too aggressively? I think it's a common reaction to want to lynch someone who has done well lately as scum, because you don't want to be duped by the same person repeatedly over short period, but do we really want to lynch the guy who is driving most of the action? It doesn't even look like particularly opportunistic scumhunting, sure I would agree he is more engaged than I would expect from townmcmc day 1, but this looks to me like punishing him for trying, which kind of sucks.
Reread PPS, which was definitely a weird experience. He doesn't have a lot of posts, but his posts are very full of content. Makes it seem like it's not that he has nothing to say, but more that he is choosing to stay on the back, which is interesting. Not someone I'd be looking to lynch though, I think high content:post ratio is pretty towny in general. My instinct would have been that he has been less helpful than he has, and I think PPS is a pretty self-aware guy and that doesn't seem like a style scum would want to play.Btw, I love being scum and unless it's RMM I am pretty meh on being town.This is a somewhat weird quote, because PPS seems pretty in tune with what's happening in the game. Or is it meh as in not as eager to put in a lot of effort?
So, I am clearly town this game.
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.This sums up my feelings for the hammer. I know PPS has done these earlier as town, has he done it as scum?
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
(emphasis mine)Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
Hey schadd and pps do you feel like we are having a conversation and idp is sitting in the corner of the room adding random interjections?I like this point. Definitely feel like scum often ends up doing that, because they are scared of presenting original ideas, but want to seem like they are participating and contributing.
Those people always seem scummy to me.
That Joseph went poof after supposedly resurrecting himself immediately after the lynch looks super duper fishy to me. I mean, when I am scum I troll the twilight for the lulz, but most do exactly what he just did.Yeah, the disappearance definitely makes me feel like this is a possibility as well. One can hope.
This post-lynch scramble is strengthening my townread on mcmc. A lot of opinions I find myself reading and thinking "that's good point", and they aren't safe and obvious points, but things I hadn't thought of myself at least.
Which comment?Why and why?he made a comment that was unhelpful other than making it seem like he wasn't the one planning the nightkill.
i should go ahead and make the case of my thoughts yesterDay at some point
Why is that towny? I think scum is more likely to throw vague suspicions around (and I also think that regardless of his alignment mcmc probably just didn't see the question, I don't think scummcmc-would try to dodge like that).
I actually reread Dylan before my vote, but just didn't have time to type a longer post. I saw low activity (most of the 15 posts were not game-related) non-towny voting, I particularly disagreed with him suspecting mcmc as the main contribution because I thought mcmc looked towny all day.
I'm kind of surprised people aren't taking any positions on ashersky's thing. Less sure I'm right myself with this many others seeing it differently. Ash, was this the reaction you anticipated you'd get?
I saw it and read some of the surrounding posts, it just seems like a really ash thing to do. The one thing I thought is if ash is town and not the ub he definitely made the ub sweat a little bit because of even bringing it up. This favors scum slightly because they can gauge people's reaction to try and guess who the real ub is. So overall I think slight edge toward that post helping scum but then there's the why would ash want to be in the spotlight if he is scum blah blah blah. So pretty neutral, as I said a very ash thing to do.
Reread IDPTG, he didn't seem overly scummy to me. I doubt he'd be the biggest lurker, and the posts actually seem pretty full of content for their size and quantity, he's been commenting on multiple issues and we really haven't had much happening yet.
This is what I thought whic is why I wanted ww to answer my question of why he is voting for idp.
Dylan was indeed a very fast reread. As far as I can tell, of his 11 posts, only this has been relevant to the game:So far, I don't really think there has been anything that scummy from anyone. I could definitely see a possible scum narrative for Ash, but I just don't think it is as likely as him being town. Mcmc's concern, whether accurate or not, seems townie. schadd seems like schadd, so at least we know noone has kidnapped him and taken his place.
which looks like a fine post, although the expressed opinions seem to be on the safer side. Not that I have any scathingly hot takes myself, it is still early. We only have 4 days until the deadline though, so it would be good to get something happening soon. Is it just me or have we gone to the day of the deadline with almost no serious wagons pretty often in the near history, especially day 1?
Hey eevee wanna let the people I ask questions answer them and then react to those answers with your own instead of jumping the gun...that being said I agree with your analysis that Dylan's post was very safe.
Yea eevee I think your worrying is valid and townie but also non-helpful. Just start interrogating people and then following up with an analysis of their answers and a reasoning for your interrogation, even if that reason is I wanted that player to post something.
i would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
town: andrew, robz, pps, ww, milk macaroon
dunno: twm, ask her sky, joseph, d32
want to lynch: idptg
want three lynch: eevee
Oh boy, milk macaroon may be my new favorite nickname. Also I still dunno what you see in eevee though he is a little quiet. I feel like I want eevee to be town and it is hindering my ability to read him though idk, maybe I am just viewing him as towny and then I'm being overconcerned with it being a read because I like him.
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Revolution of reads
Got lynched: Joseph (wagon) mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Scummy scum(off wagon): ash, dylan, idp
Keeping an eye on you killers(on wagon): eevee, pps, robz, witherweaver
Do more: TWM
Townie: schadd, Andrew
Witherweaver fos'd eevee pretty quickly, could be on wagon scum going after a townie quickly. I would bet this lynch has more townie on it because of how fast it went.
Probably the main reason I have suspicions of pps is because I remember in my scum games recently, me/jake/lalight had to all be on wagon for awhiiiile, we kept thinking we would have scum off wagon but the wagons would stall for so long we would all have to jump on eventually. This feels like townies honestly likeing this lynch.
Vote: Joseph
Reread him, I could definitely see a scum narrative in his voting history (first voted for ashersky, when the tide turned against lynching ash, changed his position to "town because of his antics). Nothing really struck to me as towny in his posting either, hard to put a finger on it but I don't get the impression he is trying to figure things out, more that he wants a lynch through that isn't him. This claim question strengthens that impression, I think town is more concerned with concealing their role because it's better for town regardless of your role, whereas scum might be more anxious to claim because they think it might help get them out of hot water. Basically, for town one can think "well, if I die, it might actually help us win if it happens in the right way", whereas scum MUST avoid getting lynched day 1, because if they go down their team is in very big trouble.
L-2, if I do my math right.
This is eevee's vote that either didn't like, it is posted 2 hours after a vote count and before the vote count eevee said he was going to reread andrew(which witherweaver asked for opinions on)
Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
You do know Joseph could still be lying. So eevee also didn't read the setup lol
I have absolutely zero recollection of TWM making any posts that aren't "sorry, still busy, I'll get to it". I guess he has been busy still, then?Or maybe Calamitas isn't in this game.Yea he's not, TWM is though and he's kinda a people person version of cal
Yea, this was okay when he was my scumpartner lurking and not getting called out. He pretty much missed an entire day which is bad.
i also feel that feeling
vote: eeveeI feel Vote: Eevee is the right thing to do.
Why and why?
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
The issue being twm/dylan/eevee could also be the scum team with eevee buddying me much the way I buddied faust recently, get an active townie to push lynches for you, didn't come to much bigger conclusions than anyone else, and have his scum partners just lurk the entire day away.
Now being forced to pick between these types of narratives(these aren't the only two teams just examples) I absolutely don't want to punish active town andrew and pps for having slightly different opinions than me, especially because mine were wrong about Joseph in the first place. I would much rather lose to pps and andrew because twm and Dylan and idp just lurked way to hard as town. If that makes sense.
So sorry schadd and witherweaver, zero of my eevee scum alarms are ringing, his defense is exactly what I would have said.
Twm on the other hand is increasingly unhelpful which I find interesting.
Eevee was the primary mover from the mcmc wagon to the Joseph wagon yesterday. I'm not sure what everyone else is considering him for but that is the most solid piece of evidence.
Eevee wasn't the primary mover at all. Eevee was never on my wagon, he was on joesph as an Rvs vote, eevee always townread me and then after a vote count he unvoted his Rvs vote, reread Joseph and then put him to l-2 with yes by the best explaination in the world but robz/ww/schadd all jumped quickly on the wagon with no explaination so I can't see how eevee's vote for Joseph is any scummier than the rest of our votes.
I may vote dylan. schadd and I have been way more buddy buddy than eevee and I. Also the conclusions dylan made are that if I am town, he wants to lynch andrew or pps which is basically what I had said about how andrew and pps moved from me to Joseph scummily. He makes no conclusion about what me being town says about eevee. Then he says if I'm scum eevee is certainly scum, which I don't know how he has gotten to. Then he ends with a scummy if we're going to look off wagon twm is the scummy one but doesn't give any reasons whatso ever as to why.
All he is doing is setting up people he wants to lynch with almost no reasons other than mcmc and eevee are buddying eachother.
Also I want to clarify I really think his explaination for why andrew and pps are people he would look to if I were town is indicative of him being scum. After a complete reread it's a really general reasoning that is setting up where he can pivot when I flip town. He's not even thinking about what eevee flipping town would mean which is wierd since it's an eevee/me interaction not just me. It's just very "I've made one read I'm basing all my other reads on so I can change them" I do this as scum lots.
i would prefer not to elaborate at this timei would like to lynch eeveeI think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
Do you still feel this was schadd? If so would you elaborate and if not would you at least tell us what you were thinking at the time?
i do. will later do soI would not quickhammer as scum on D1. I would hammer for sure but I'd follow intent to hammer protocol.i would no longer like to receive correspondences of this kind
It's not a secret I've townread mcmc all game - it's been on the forefront a lot because he was actually in risk of getting lynched early so it felt prudent to express that read. If you are going to read "buddying" (whatever the term entails), I think I'll be an easy scumread for you for all eternity then. I haven't gotten the feeling mcmc has been buddying me at any point, I think his read on me has been going back and forth. When you post a lot, you end up saying a lot of different things.
request prod: robz
His last post was almost 48 hours ago.
he asked, but not you; anything you say about what you would have done as scum is obviously bunkI would not quickhammer as scum on D1. I would hammer for sure but I'd follow intent to hammer protocol.i would no longer like to receive correspondences of this kind
Andrew asked, but I should refrain because your feelings?
request prod: robz
His last post was almost 48 hours ago.
he asked, but not you; anything you say about what you would have done as scum is obviously bunkI would not quickhammer as scum on D1. I would hammer for sure but I'd follow intent to hammer protocol.i would no longer like to receive correspondences of this kind
Andrew asked, but I should refrain because your feelings?
WW: I feel the activity and analysis combined make him pretty towny. One trait I remember marveling at as his scumbuddy has been "how can he be so fearless as to post that", I remember maybe him being more traditional and subdued in this game. I'm generally in a constant state of paranoia about WW, he is probably the hardest guy for me to read, but I'm wagering a bold townread here - don't let me down WW!
But that's impossible!WW: I feel the activity and analysis combined make him pretty towny. One trait I remember marveling at as his scumbuddy has been "how can he be so fearless as to post that", I remember maybe him being more traditional and subdued in this game. I'm generally in a constant state of paranoia about WW, he is probably the hardest guy for me to read, but I'm wagering a bold townread here - don't let me down WW!
This is pretty bold of you if we're both scum.
But that's impossible!WW: I feel the activity and analysis combined make him pretty towny. One trait I remember marveling at as his scumbuddy has been "how can he be so fearless as to post that", I remember maybe him being more traditional and subdued in this game. I'm generally in a constant state of paranoia about WW, he is probably the hardest guy for me to read, but I'm wagering a bold townread here - don't let me down WW!
This is pretty bold of you if we're both scum.
Wait, do you think that's possible?
I agree with mcmc on Dylan, except I don't think it's necessarily scummy, I see it as a sincere attempt to reread and scumhunt and just not knowing exactly what he should be looking for and confusing a consistent townread for buddying. And also more scum points for mcmc for immediately jumping on a new player's attempt to properly contribute.In regards to your thoughts on dylan, yes you can chalk up some of his misguided cases to being a newbie but nothing I have seen from dylan in other games makes me think he is newbish player and doesn't know what he should be looking for. This is in contrast to idp who I do think might just feel awkward and not know when to post what. It is also in contrast to twm who simply wasn't making cases with his limited reads so I pushed him to do that. Again these are the theee players who were off wagon, have very low post counts, and aren't making great cases. I find all of them varying degrees of scummy, dylan the most so from his defenses and reactions to being called out.
As for mcmc's other post, it's really easy (and suspicious) to call the last two people on a wagon scummy, though I happen to agree about pps being scummy for how he quickhammered. You say I jumped from one wagon to another and that's what's scummy. It is? There were a lot of other people who switched wagons yesterday including you switching from ash but I'm not pointing to it calling it scummy because it's not (correct me if I'm remembering this wrong). I think you suddenly have a scum read on me because I'm voting for you and that's pretty much the extent of it.
You also make another post stating you agree with pps day 1 is frustrating and that if town doesn't want to lynch me because I'm being active that's okay but whose to say I won't start lurking later and that lurkers might start contributing. So this is really doubling down on you don't want to vote for Joseph and you want to lynch me. But then Joseph makes a comment about him going to claim and eevee makes a case against Joseph that is pretty much the same as my case and the reason other are voting him. You say this:What's the case on Joseph?
I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".
So your move to Joseph come a little out of no where compared to your reads before. It also looks like you knew Joseph was at l-2 when you voted because you correctly say l-1 but you think eevee hasn't voted when he did. You correct yourself moments later but it's still strange. It feels a bit like you really preferred getting the lynch to go to me but you werent getting anywhere so once joesph looked like eevee was going to vote you quickly voted so as not to be in hammer position.Maybe someone should start claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim
And here I thought we'd left this behind earlier D1...besides, you already claimed SK. Is there a reason you want to bring us back to RVS style posts?
I agree, I don't like this claim post at all. Eevee's assessment makes sense, though I'm not sure why he didn't want to commit to a vote after making his case. I'll do it for him.
vote: Joseph L-1
I know who I really think is town and scum but my vote doesn't reflect nor many if any of my posts.
Is that cool or what?
I feel we need a translator here. Anyone fluent in PPS?
Queue some kind of music.
Dylan: Agree with what mcmc has been laying out. Seems.. calculated?
To say that me making a misguided case is scummy for me indicates that you clearly haven't read my last few games... Although I don't actually think I'm wrong here, I guess it wouldn't surprise me too much if I am just because of recent history.
As for my read on you it's more specific to how you moved and why. If you read I was suspicious of ash, then ash made a bit of a case on me, then I made a self admittedly omgussy countercase on ash, luckily many people weighed in robz/eevee/ww(i think)/twm and mentioned it really looked like town on town. I agreed and moved away from ash on to Joseph because he was making some very unhelpful posts at a time I thought it very scummy. Then robz/schadd/we all join me voting for Joseph and you say:You also make another post stating you agree with pps day 1 is frustrating and that if town doesn't want to lynch me because I'm being active that's okay but whose to say I won't start lurking later and that lurkers might start contributing. So this is really doubling down on you don't want to vote for Joseph and you want to lynch me. But then Joseph makes a comment about him going to claim and eevee makes a case against Joseph that is pretty much the same as my case and the reason other are voting him. You say this:What's the case on Joseph?
I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".So your move to Joseph come a little out of no where compared to your reads before. It also looks like you knew Joseph was at l-2 when you voted because you correctly say l-1 but you think eevee hasn't voted when he did. You correct yourself moments later but it's still strange. It feels a bit like you really preferred getting the lynch to go to me but you werent getting anywhere so once joesph looked like eevee was going to vote you quickly voted so as not to be in hammer position.Maybe someone should start claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim
And here I thought we'd left this behind earlier D1...besides, you already claimed SK. Is there a reason you want to bring us back to RVS style posts?
I agree, I don't like this claim post at all. Eevee's assessment makes sense, though I'm not sure why he didn't want to commit to a vote after making his case. I'll do it for him.
vote: Joseph L-1
Vote: Joseph
Vote: Joseph
indeed
vote: joseph
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?
But of everything else that is happened and my recent posts, this is what you want to ask me about? The timing of this question seems kind of scummy.
So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?
But of everything else that is happened and my recent posts, this is what you want to ask me about? The timing of this question seems kind of scummy.
Oh, yeah, the timing's awful. I play this game on my phone and I have two tabs to this game open. One is the current page, the other is all the posts that I refresh every now and then. Apparently that post is where I left off on my last attempted reread so it was the first thing I saw when I switched tabs. So it came to mind. But I don't see how the timing has anything to do with the seriousness of the question. Especially because the DAMA entry doesn't say what you say it does.
As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Airport posting!
As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Ok so if I was scum what exactly would I have to gain from putting Joseph at L-1 and then pretending like I missed Eevee's vote and then pretending like I noticed it immediately afterwards?
Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Airport posting!
It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.
Yea you said you agreed with eevee's conclusions and weren't sure why he didn't vote. You said I'll do it for him, and posted your vote with an l-1. So we assume you understood your vote was placing Joseph at l-1 and we assume you expect eevee to vote Joseph after coming to the conclusions he did. This is just a theory though, I know I'm town so I'm not sure you as scum even need to move from me to Joseph, it's just one theory that when added to other theories all put together might make a good case for you being scum. I am not voting for you currently.Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Airport posting!
It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.
Expecting Eevee to hammer? Whahuhziwhat?
Yea you said you agreed with eevee's conclusions and weren't sure why he didn't vote. You said I'll do it for him, and posted your vote with an l-1. So we assume you understood your vote was placing Joseph at l-1 and we assume you expect eevee to vote Joseph after coming to the conclusions he did. This is just a theory though, I know I'm town so I'm not sure you as scum even need to move from me to Joseph, it's just one theory that when added to other theories all put together might make a good case for you being scum. I am not voting for you currently.Way more than it should. But I do buy andrew's explanation, I don't really see the scum narrative for pretending to not notice and then correcting the mistake yourself.As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.
@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?
Airport posting!
It's not scummy to have missed an l-2. Its just interesting to note that Andrew thought he was making an l-1 vote while also taking a shot at eevee for not voting after making a case. Meaning andrew is casting what he thinks is an l-1 vote and expecting eevee to hammer. Scum would want to vote then instead of waiting for eevee to vote and then having to be the hammer. It's just a possible scum narrative that would fit for why he voted Joseph when he did.
Expecting Eevee to hammer? Whahuhziwhat?
Andrew you are still voting for me as well. Do you really think I'm scum and I'm trying to force your mislynch or set up your mislynch while also making sure we focus off wagon and try to lynch lurkers dylan/idp/twm. You think me and eevee are partners and buddying eachother for no reason like dylan? What's the narrative that fits me doing all of this work and putting out narratives and different cases on most players in the game and actively giving reads and thoughts. You think I'm doing all that in a game where without prompting robz/twm/dylan/idp will post almost no content...you seem just pissed off im not assuming you are town.
Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.
Andrew you are still voting for me as well. Do you really think I'm scum and I'm trying to force your mislynch or set up your mislynch while also making sure we focus off wagon and try to lynch lurkers dylan/idp/twm. You think me and eevee are partners and buddying eachother for no reason like dylan? What's the narrative that fits me doing all of this work and putting out narratives and different cases on most players in the game and actively giving reads and thoughts. You think I'm doing all that in a game where without prompting robz/twm/dylan/idp will post almost no content...you seem just pissed off im not assuming you are town.
Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.
Not everything you say is a stretch, but this whole me pretending I missed Eevee's vote in hopes that he hammers fr some reason is most definitely a stretch.
request prod: robz
His last post was almost 48 hours ago.
Fine, fair. I'm here, reading, lurking, prioritizing other things at the moment.
See even that feel like your responding quickly to what I'm saying like were having a conversation, scum never wants to do that, they are more careful in their image and can thus come across like they are waiting for moments where they can make a comment that looks good for them.Yea pps thinking there would be a short twilight in combination with that signature has me tilted back scummy on pps. Also Andrew feels like part of the conversation.
Nice buddying.
Vote Count 1.3
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, Robz888
Eevee (2): schadd, Joseph2302
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
Joseph2302 (1): Eevee
Not Voting (2): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
Around this time I make some defenses of myself and Robz/eevee/witherweaver/schaad all defend me in some way or another for what I think are good reasons.
Dylan, pps, and Andrew all post reasons they find me scummy.
Next ashersky and I get into a bit and I begin to omgus him and witherweaver and robz both point out how much this looks like town on town and that they don't want to lynch either of us. This almond with TWM coming in and townreading me as well seems to stall my wagon and I turn away from ash toward Joseph for being unhelpful and scummy.
Eevee suggests looking into the lowcontent posters but doesn't and then asks what the case is on Joseph.I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.Vote Count 1.3+1Vote: mcmx
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, pingpongsam
Eevee (1): schadd
Joseph2302 (2): Eevee, mcmcsalot
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
pingpongsam (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888
With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.
L-2
It is then with this vote that andrew finally changes his opinion and moves his vote away from me and onto Joseph, quickly followed by pps who hammers a few posts after having said he would agree to disagree about my alignment.
The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps. The issue is that Joseph was acting increasingly scummy so it's very possible that's the actual moments that town!andrew and town!pps had had enough.
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
The issue being twm/dylan/eevee could also be the scum team with eevee buddying me much the way I buddied faust recently, get an active townie to push lynches for you, didn't come to much bigger conclusions than anyone else, and have his scum partners just lurk the entire day away.
Now being forced to pick between these types of narratives(these aren't the only two teams just examples) I absolutely don't want to punish active town andrew and pps for having slightly different opinions than me, especially because mine were wrong about Joseph in the first place. I would much rather lose to pps and andrew because twm and Dylan and idp just lurked way to hard as town. If that makes sense.
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
Oh so the last three people to vote on a mislynch are the scummiest. Cool, got it. Sarcasm aside though, I think pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.QuoteIt's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
ash was a null read for me D1, why would you expect me to discourage people moving to him? That's misleading and is obviously an attempt to subtly encourage suspicion without committing to it heavily.
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
You're still voting Dylan, right, McMc? You seem to be working yourself up to Andrew being scum.Still voting dylan, still think off wagon is a good place to find scum. Dylan has the bonus of semi-clearing robz if he flips scum.
what would be the benefit of claiming ub?
Scum can make sure to avoid killing him during the day where he can reverse the lynch and then get him at night?
Or maybe, in the absence of a counter claim, we can trust the reads and he can't be lynched but see point number 1.
So, net negative, really.
Robz was viewing the thread but disappeared, Hopefully takin a break mid reread.
I know you said sarcasm but I've never said town is less likely to do online status waitching. You can confirm with robz I actually didn't know how to use it untill my recent return. I used it to coordinate my quickhammer with twm and then I used it in squid girl to generally track when town was on and coordinate a possible quickhammer in that game as well. I have been using it frequently in this game to track what people are doing.Robz was viewing the thread but disappeared, Hopefully takin a break mid reread.
I thought town wasn't as likely to do online status watching? /sarc
Robz was viewing the thread but disappeared, Hopefully takin a break mid reread.
I thought town wasn't as likely to do online status watching? /sarc
My vote on Dylan (and it's reasons).
Why do you think town is more likely to do online status policing than scum?
I don't know if there is any precedent, but my intuition would be that scum would be more likely to be on the lookout for these kind of "mishaps" that could make someone suspicious than town.
Wait eevee, so are you going to actually be gone for more than a week or something? And have a safe trip!No, I'll try to get on whenever I can, daily I hope. And changing accommodations in three days, hopefully the next one will have a wifi.
Why is that? (dylan->robz)You're still voting Dylan, right, McMc? You seem to be working yourself up to Andrew being scum.Still voting dylan, still think off wagon is a good place to find scum. Dylan has the bonus of semi-clearing robz if he flips scum.
Votes speak louder than hedges.
Andrew you are still voting for me as well. Do you really think I'm scum and I'm trying to force your mislynch or set up your mislynch while also making sure we focus off wagon and try to lynch lurkers dylan/idp/twm. You think me and eevee are partners and buddying eachother for no reason like dylan? What's the narrative that fits me doing all of this work and putting out narratives and different cases on most players in the game and actively giving reads and thoughts. You think I'm doing all that in a game where without prompting robz/twm/dylan/idp will post almost no content...you seem just pissed off im not assuming you are town.
I resent the comment that I wouldn't post without prompting. I was busy IRL, I started posting as soon as I could.
Votes speak louder than hedges.
Agreed.
The time has come. Vote: Andrew
Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.
Not everything you say is a stretch, but this whole me pretending I missed Eevee's vote in hopes that he hammers fr some reason is most definitely a stretch.
It's not pretending. You missed eevee's vote(fact), you were aware Joseph was at l-2 before you voted(fact), you expected eevee to vote for Joseph(fact you said I don't know why eevee didn't vote). SO ONE COULD CONCLUDE, that you wanted to get on the Joseph wagon before it's got brought up to l-1 and then you would have to hammer if you were going to vote.
ONE COULD ALSO CONCLUDE, that after not finding Joseph scummy his continued unhelpfulness and posts about claiming convinced you that maybe he was scum so you voted for him.
I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.
It is then with this vote that andrew finally changes his opinion and moves his vote away from me and onto Joseph, quickly followed by pps who hammers a few posts after having said he would agree to disagree about my alignment.
The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps. The issue is that Joseph was acting increasingly scummy so it's very possible that's the actual moments that town!andrew and town!pps had had enough.
Here is the bulk of what I say about robz/eevee/ww/schaad's votes. Obviously it's hard to create more of a narrative for robz because he hasn't posted anything, I think eevee's vote made sense, you agreed with his analysis of Joseph yourself and he was town reading me so his vote makes sense, schadd I am majorly town reading based on how he is playing the game, overall pro town, high post counts, present.
I guess I should at some point do a ww reread next but I am town reading him as well so there you go. I'm doing my best while getting called scummy for laying out possible narratives. luckily there are enough people(hopefully townies) that see what I'm doing as townie.
I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.
It is then with this vote that andrew finally changes his opinion and moves his vote away from me and onto Joseph, quickly followed by pps who hammers a few posts after having said he would agree to disagree about my alignment.
The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps. The issue is that Joseph was acting increasingly scummy so it's very possible that's the actual moments that town!andrew and town!pps had had enough.
Here is the bulk of what I say about robz/eevee/ww/schaad's votes. Obviously it's hard to create more of a narrative for robz because he hasn't posted anything, I think eevee's vote made sense, you agreed with his analysis of Joseph yourself and he was town reading me so his vote makes sense, schadd I am majorly town reading based on how he is playing the game, overall pro town, high post counts, present.
I guess I should at some point do a ww reread next but I am town reading him as well so there you go. I'm doing my best while getting called scummy for laying out possible narratives. luckily there are enough people(hopefully townies) that see what I'm doing as townie.
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
Oh so the last three people to vote on a mislynch are the scummiest. Cool, got it. Sarcasm aside though, I think pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.QuoteIt's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
ash was a null read for me D1, why would you expect me to discourage people moving to him? That's misleading and is obviously an attempt to subtly encourage suspicion without committing to it heavily.
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
Oh look andrew your response last time I talked about on wagon vs off wagon you also find the end of the wagon scummy and you also think looking off wagon is good. So you now saying that I singled you out is crap. Your playing super super reactively to whatever the last thing posted is which is super scummy.
Andrew, I'm curious what you think about that comment now that mcmc has also done that.
I am still voting for andrew and feel ok about staying there. I didn't necessarily find the whole L-1/L-2 thing to be suspicious, but I have not really liked the way he has responded to suspicion.
I am still voting for andrew and feel ok about staying there. I didn't necessarily find the whole L-1/L-2 thing to be suspicious, but I have not really liked the way he has responded to suspicion.
Yes I understand that I'm defensive and sarcastic and maybe a little impatient and rude, but I don't think there's anything inherently scummy about my playstyle, just like I don't cite WW's style of play today (somewhat lurking, posting sentences here and there, egging people on) as necessarily scummy. Maybe it's just me but I try to look at content and reads. I've never been good at reading metas so I usually try to avoid talking in those terms.
Ok, I really don't like the Andrew wagon. I could be convinced, but probably not easily. I need to reread how it formed, but I won't have time for the next several hours.
also, who else here can do setup probabilities?
pps, would you like to elaborate on why you are confident enough andrew is scum to not try to get the hammer?
also, who else here can do setup probabilities?
I am still voting for andrew and feel ok about staying there. I didn't necessarily find the whole L-1/L-2 thing to be suspicious, but I have not really liked the way he has responded to suspicion.
Yes I understand that I'm defensive and sarcastic and maybe a little impatient and rude, but I don't think there's anything inherently scummy about my playstyle, just like I don't cite WW's style of play today (somewhat lurking, posting sentences here and there, egging people on) as necessarily scummy. Maybe it's just me but I try to look at content and reads. I've never been good at reading metas so I usually try to avoid talking in those terms.
I wouldn't call you any of those terms, and I agree that even if I felt that way about them, they wouldn't necessarily be scummy.
What I meant, and what I should have been more clear about above, was how you have felt compelled to respond to every point about you. It seems like you are giving more credence to every remark about you, which is precisely how I felt when I was last scum. I feel like town lets things slide off their back more often whereas scum is hyper aware and feels like any suspicion could escalate, so you need to put the damper on it quick. Last game mcmc pointed out I was doing it in the scum QT and it was still really hard to check myself.
pps, would you like to elaborate on why you are confident enough andrew is scum to not try to get the hammer?
The hammer was never about certainty. Besides, only scum can afford certainties. D1 I really read mcmc as scum driving the game. Maybe he still is but he's doing such a damn fine job of it I am being absorbed in his frame of it too. I am strongly reading town on mcmc practically all of D2. My initial suspicion on him was for enacting a scum meta I am personally familiar with in myself. He has far surpassed my ability to engender town vibrations while playing against a secretly scum meta. To the point my ego requires me to categorize it as strictly town.
So, that wasn't about Andrew at all. Mcmc made points about Andrew I silently concurred with. So, in some sense I am sheeeping him. That Andrew supposedly reads scum in mcmc to the point of voting him means that Andrew must be better at sensing the scum in the best scum performance ever and my ego will not support that so it requires me to categorize him as strictly scum. If Andrew outdoes PPS then who is PPS?
But enough about that. I initially decided Andrew was likely scum because the off wagon thing, while definitely a scum tactic in scum hands, is not a terrible argument to make. I think it's reasonable that one of the 3 are scum. I'm just required to poo poo it initially to create some tension to see where it might break. But no, the turn of my opinion was when he joined me in voting mcmc. When I implied my vote was disingenuous he didn't seek a better one which makes me think he probably can't read the game nearly as good as would be required to see scum in scum!mcmc this game.
All that said, those are just the gut reasons. I think some due diligence is actually in order. I'm even tempted to unvote but I think there's going to be some switching here real soon and if he goes down anyhow and flips town then while I can't claim hammer my vote is just as good as the hammer because I'm not certain we are otherwise going to flip Andrew.
So, while not the best standing for the vote it is 200% honest.
mcmc, can you describe eevee's scum play to me?
Why is that? (dylan->robz)You're still voting Dylan, right, McMc? You seem to be working yourself up to Andrew being scum.Still voting dylan, still think off wagon is a good place to find scum. Dylan has the bonus of semi-clearing robz if he flips scum.
Dylan, IDP, TWM: Has to be scum there, unless everybody is off wagon.
I mean, maybe it's just me but I like to see some substance from votes.
Me too. I voted WW because of the lack of substance to his vote, actually.
But then I voted for Dylan because we should find the scum off wagon, and I like Dylan more than IDP for... reasons.
Mostly for the reason that mcmc preferred IDP and it made me uncomfortable.
That seems very weak.
What's up, guys? I have not basically anything that happened today yet. Any highlights?I will catch up though.
robz has been a bit quiet. if you do the "yeah i'm kinda disengaged because i'm town" thing i'm going to eat you
robz has been a bit quiet. if you do the "yeah i'm kinda disengaged because i'm town" thing i'm going to eat you
So let's say Andrew is mafia. What do his partners do in this situation?
His wagon has moved so slowly and with so little distraction I see three options here.
1. His partners are ok with his lynch. Meaning there has to be some bussing going on or
2. His partners just aren't willing, haven't been able, or don't feel confident enough to push away from his wagon
3. He isn't mafia and the real mafia are ok with just letting this wagon ride, either on it or off it (at least one is likely to be on).
So I guess I want to go through those three (well there are kind of four) and see what I think.
So let's say Andrew is mafia. What do his partners do in this situation?
His wagon has moved so slowly and with so little distraction I see three options here.
1. His partners are ok with his lynch. Meaning there has to be some bussing going on or
2. His partners just aren't willing, haven't been able, or don't feel confident enough to push away from his wagon
3. He isn't mafia and the real mafia are ok with just letting this wagon ride, either on it or off it (at least one is likely to be on).
So I guess I want to go through those three (well there are kind of four) and see what I think.
You won't know the answers to these questions if you don't vote him!
Vote Count 2.5
AndrewisFTTW (4): The_Wine_Merchant, Witherweaver, pingpongsam, Eevee
This Wine Merchant guy sounds town.
Andrew consistently having a scum read on me and still looking for scummy things I might be doing throughout our recent discussion and post flip feels super towny to me.
Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Revolution of reads
Got lynched: Joseph (wagon) mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Scummy scum(off wagon): ash, dylan, idp
Keeping an eye on you killers(on wagon): eevee, pps, robz, witherweaver
Do more: TWM
Townie: schadd, Andrew
So I have more of a scum read on andrew then I remembered.
Nobody has responded to my case on mcmc at all, I don't get it. I mean it seems like besides me the only people to suspect him at all were ash and I think Robz and maybe WW.
And while rereading a little bit I found these during twilight:Andrew consistently having a scum read on me and still looking for scummy things I might be doing throughout our recent discussion and post flip feels super towny to me.Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew
Evolution of reads
Want to lynch: ash, Joseph, dylan
Could be convinced: pps, idp, witherweaver
Wish I didn't like you people so darn much be more alignment indicative: robz, eevee
Townie: twm, schadd, Andrew
Revolution of reads
Got lynched: Joseph (wagon) mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Scummy scum(off wagon): ash, dylan, idp
Keeping an eye on you killers(on wagon): eevee, pps, robz, witherweaver
Do more: TWM
Townie: schadd, Andrew
Consistent town read on me even AFTER the lynch. And now he says:So I have more of a scum read on andrew then I remembered.
Yes, earlier I said reads change and that's normal and reads shouldn't be suspect just by themselves. But he said he finds me scummy for my vote and yet he had a strong townread on me AFTER my vote. It just looks like he didn't like me suspecting him and so he decided he didn't find me towny at all anymore. a.k.a. OMGUS
Anyway, I guess I'll post some reads for you guys:
schadd - Strong town - I don't know anything about him and even though he's been kinda lurking and joking and whatever, he seems like he is thinking critically and providing solid questions and feedback when he does post. I think he'd be the kind of person to be all-in and trying to lead town if he was scum.
TWM - Slight scum - At the beginning of the day I said I thought out of the three off wagon people he was the scummiest, but there wasn't really much content to analyze. Since then he's been posting pretty good stuff, especially his last three posts. But it feels like he's only starting to get more active now that there's a wagon that would lead to a lynch. I know D1 he was working and that's fine, but early today I don't think he was as active as he is now, and there's been plenty to talk about all day.
IDPTG - Null - Can't remember anything of note from him, I found him towny during my brief reread of the three people off wagon but again, he's just not putting much out there.
Robz - Slight town - Can't really form a read on someone who doesn't post. That said I think scum!Robz would be super active.
pps - Scum - That quickhammer just really rubs me the wrong way. And the way he jumped on my wagon was so sheepy. It seems like he's not really interested in engaging in debates and serious discussion on anything and he's more interested in distancing himself from everyone and doing his own thing, possibly so we can't trace anything back to him the whole game.
Eevee - Null - I guess he's providing good analysis sometimes? But other times it feels like he's just reacting to what other people say instead of coming up with his own opinions and observations. I could be wrong but that's just my recollection. I can't read him.
WW - Null - I would expect WW to be more active and engaged regardless of alignment. I really have no idea what his gameplan is this game and I'm pretty surprised he's as apathetic as he seems. It's pretty disappointing, honestly. I can't even say I'm upset, just disappointed that we don't have WW providing solid content like I remember him doing so often.
mcmc - Strong scum - Everyone knows how I feel about mcmc by now.
Dylan - Slight scum - I found him pretty towny the beginning of the day and since then he's had some good posts but I feel like he's been jumping votes the whole game, at least D2 since he wasn't around much D1. It's worth a reread but I just get the feeling that everything he says is hedgy and he doesn't commit to much, like he's trying to be very careful with everything he posts. Again, I could be wrong but that's just the feeling I get from him at this point.
Sorry I remembered that wrong Dylan. Which game are you referring to with schadd and mcmc?
I just reread Dylan D2 and I was totally wrong about vote jumping. I don't think he's voted at all today so my apologies Dylan. Not sure where I got that from.
I could vote for WW.
Ok. Well if no one else (except schadd) is feeling an eevee vote, then let's vote: WW.
I feel all the towny stuff from schadd was first half of day 1, and that he's been riding that towncred ever since. I can't pinpoint anything scummy from his day 2, just feels he's just more or less been here day 2, which is always behavior that raises alarm bells for me. Sort of like an inverse TWM, whom i'm subsequently reading townier today.
Robz has done the super lurky act as scum before, he should get no towncred for it. He is extremely well balanced in that regard. Hoping he finds more time for us, of course.
Ok. Well if no one else (except schadd) is feeling an eevee vote, then let's vote: WW.
You are wrong.
What's your non-partner reason for avoiding the Andrew wagon?
I don't think we can, it'd be pretty much a random lynch. Surely we can doRobz has done the super lurky act as scum before, he should get no towncred for it. He is extremely well balanced in that regard. Hoping he finds more time for us, of course.
We can always just lynch him. Never a bad time to lynch a Robz.
There's been a minicrisis at my apartment. Water's been pouring from the ceiling, so I'm a bit busy dealing with that.That sounds terrible. Hope it all sorts out without too much trouble, good luck!
Sorry I remembered that wrong Dylan. Which game are you referring to with schadd and mcmc?
I just reread Dylan D2 and I was totally wrong about vote jumping. I don't think he's voted at all today so my apologies Dylan. Not sure where I got that from.
1 vote. voted eevee today. Game to read would be M94.
i am confident in my ability to read ~8 of you. i'm not gonna say which 8for now, this number has dipped to "3, and a few other people probably kinda"
mafia energy has tanked in the last week for non-game reasons (i'm fine). i have been reading but not really absorbing most of the last bunch of posts, especially the wall-type stuff. will try to get at it more tonight & tomorrow.this might also be what i was sensing from schadd, it's hard to tell when someone "feels" different if it's life-related or game-related sometimes.i am confident in my ability to read ~8 of you. i'm not gonna say which 8for now, this number has dipped to "3, and a few other people probably kinda"
I don't think we can, it'd be pretty much a random lynch. Surely we can doRobz has done the super lurky act as scum before, he should get no towncred for it. He is extremely well balanced in that regard. Hoping he finds more time for us, of course.
We can always just lynch him. Never a bad time to lynch a Robz.
better?
No real point about schadd, just started re-evaluating why did i exactly think he was towny and thought i'd post the musing. schadd, i'm watching you!
Vote: WW?
I could vote for WW.
You'd be wrong.
I could vote for WW.
You'd be wrong.
See?
Real town is never scared to recklessly lynch someone. Scumvee.
If what you just quoted does not make you think I'm town, I seriously have no idea what game you're playing.
So you're only voting me because you're drunk? Want to go back to scum hunting when you sober up?
I just don't think the Andrew wagon is going anywhere anymore.
I just don't think the Andrew wagon is going anywhere anymore.
What do you suppose that suggests about his alignment?
Scum wagons stall because with zero scum dead at least 3 players are not going to vote today as there isn't any good utility in bussing at this game state. So, you'd like to go find another wagon that won't stall?
I just don't think the Andrew wagon is going anywhere anymore.
What do you suppose that suggests about his alignment?
Scum wagons stall because with zero scum dead at least 3 players are. It going to vote today as there isn't any good utility in bussing at this game state. So, you'd like to go find another wagon that won't stall?
These glib one liners are the perfect place to hide. I need to go back and see if he has been doing that all game or just started the last few days. But it really started to stand out the last few.
Plus you the scummy, scum man. Scum diddity scum face. Wubba lubba dub dub!Free wine and rick and morty references? I like this guy!
These glib one liners are the perfect place to hide. I need to go back and see if he has been doing that all game or just started the last few days. But it really started to stand out the last few.
These glib one liners are the perfect place to hide. I need to go back and see if he has been doing that all game or just started the last few days. But it really started to stand out the last few.
I don't think he was acting like this so much D1 and I'm not sure if scum!WW would be posting in this way. I will say this though: it is getting annoying, it's not how I would expect WW to play, and it most certainly is not pro-town. So sure.
vote: WW
These glib one liners are the perfect place to hide. I need to go back and see if he has been doing that all game or just started the last few days. But it really started to stand out the last few.
Well. I suppose you haven't played with me before, so you can use this as a learning opportunity.
I really suggest you try to lynch scum.
I don't like this pivot to ww and think it is scum driven. I think the stall on Andrews wagon is due to his scum buddies not willing to join as twm suggested was possible.
vote: andrew
WW is fully within his town and scum meta.
Though I would still very happily lynch dylan. I think they are both scum and I have who their partner is limited to a pool of like 4
I don't like this pivot to ww and think it is scum driven. I think the stall on Andrews wagon is due to his scum buddies not willing to join as twm suggested was possible.
vote: andrew
Plus you the scummy, scum man. Scum diddity scum face. Wubba lubba dub dub!Free wine and rick and morty references? I like this guy!
I love how everyone completely ignores everything I say about mcmc. Why do I even bother?
Lynch away.
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
Wrong I wanted to stop posting and pushing cases for a little bit to see what happened, what I saw is that even though many people found you scummy your wagon stalled. I then saw people I find scummy trying to pivot to ww and I don't want that happening.I don't like this pivot to ww and think it is scum driven. I think the stall on Andrews wagon is due to his scum buddies not willing to join as twm suggested was possible.
vote: andrew
That's a super belated vote, especially after pushing my wagon so hard in the first place. Why were you so afraid to put me to L-1? Is it because you'd be doing the same thing I did D1 and thought it'd be hypocritical?
Obviously now that TWM moved away from my wagon mcmc is comfortable voting me because he feels it's a safe move. One he can pull off without arousing suspicion.
Everything I do is scummy.uh that's my favorite the police song
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
If you are town I really think your scum read on me is caused by me having a scum read on you. You are reading everything I do as scummy and not looking for a town narrative. If you're town there are some scum players hiding in places I'm not looking and I'm sorry they moved me to vote you and not dylan.
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
Some games do feel like that, but sometimes you just are scum trying to AtE.
Wrong I wanted to stop posting and pushing cases for a little bit to see what happened, what I saw is that even though many people found you scummy your wagon stalled. I then saw people I find scummy trying to pivot to ww and I don't want that happening.I don't like this pivot to ww and think it is scum driven. I think the stall on Andrews wagon is due to his scum buddies not willing to join as twm suggested was possible.
vote: andrew
That's a super belated vote, especially after pushing my wagon so hard in the first place. Why were you so afraid to put me to L-1? Is it because you'd be doing the same thing I did D1 and thought it'd be hypocritical?
Obviously now that TWM moved away from my wagon mcmc is comfortable voting me because he feels it's a safe move. One he can pull off without arousing suspicion.
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
If you are town I really think your scum read on me is caused by me having a scum read on you. You are reading everything I do as scummy and not looking for a town narrative. If you're town there are some scum players hiding in places I'm not looking and I'm sorry they moved me to vote you and not dylan.
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
If you are town I really think your scum read on me is caused by me having a scum read on you. You are reading everything I do as scummy and not looking for a town narrative. If you're town there are some scum players hiding in places I'm not looking and I'm sorry they moved me to vote you and not dylan.
I don't know why scum would push the lynch off of me because if Andrew is town, then they would be ok with either lynch since I'm town. Actually, who are the people that are ok with either lynch?
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
If you are town I really think your scum read on me is caused by me having a scum read on you. You are reading everything I do as scummy and not looking for a town narrative. If you're town there are some scum players hiding in places I'm not looking and I'm sorry they moved me to vote you and not dylan.
I don't know why scum would push the lynch off of me because if Andrew is town, then they would be ok with either lynch since I'm town. Actually, who are the people that are ok with either lynch?
<-- This guy
Ok, I really don't like the Andrew wagon. I could be convinced, but probably not easily. I need to reread how it formed, but I won't have time for the next several hours.
1) I don't think people are ignoring your case on me, I think people don't like it.Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I did fight against it and nobody cared so again, why bother? Everything I do is scummy. Everything I don't do is scummy. This is what I've learned from this game.
Some games do feel like that, but sometimes you just are scum trying to AtE.
I'm not trying to appeal to anyone. I'm just stating how I've felt recently. Yeah some mafia games are like that, I get it. 1)I just feel that regardless of alignment if someone puts a lot of effort and focus into something it shouldn't be ignored even if everyone disagrees with it. Or at least it should be given a little more thought than someone placing a vote without explanation. 2)Mostly I'm just baffled that there are some people in this game that have gotten by without putting in any effort whatsoever. Yes I understand that it's a strategy and their strategy is just as valid as anyone else's, it's just frustrating that nobody has really called them out on it. In effect it's made that towny and piecing together a case and pushing it scummy which is why I feel I'm at L-1 right now. You might not feel my case against mcmc is valid and I feel like a lot of people don't, fine. So I switched my vote to WW. Nope, that's scummy too. I honestly don't think anyone is thinking in pro-town terms.3 I think mcmc is the worst offender. He's completely turned his back on his "voting off wagon" idea and instead is pushing an OMGUS lynch. But that's just how I see it.
1) I don't think people are ignoring your case on me, I think people don't like it.
2) Who are you talking about? Robz because I have threatened to have him removed, I don't know why others aren't more upset at him, if he wasn't my brother I would have requested a replacement. If you are talking about the super low posters (twm/dylan/idp) I called them all out multiple times, since then they have been posting more.
3) This is one of the huge reasons I find you scummy. Your case on me seems fake, I have said in almost every post I STILL WANT TO LYNCH DYLAN. So me as town is trying to think why does town!andrew think i'm scummy and when you say stuff like I have turned my back on voting off wagon I feel like you have to be scum who wants to convince other I did that because that would look scummy of me. I also feel like town!andrew would understand I wasn't voting for you because I still wanted to lynch dylan and didnt want to move to you and allow scum to sheep. I wanted people to have to vote you instead of agreeing with me about dylan.
so andrew is either town or being double/triple bussed, between saying "lynch me" and throwing shade at people off wagon.
there is a townslip there that i realized and decided to leave in. where's silverspawn?
something i'm kind of concerned about is "lynch me" before claiming. i'm more wary about people forgetting to claim after mcmc in M94. i mean, that can just be taken to be a vt claim (and i did essentially that in M94; i said i would self-hammer, faust noted it as vt claim, i was like "right") and also by D2 scum have perhaps sussed out what their claims would be
yea i meant to add "don't claim though if you don't feel the need" but forgotso andrew is either town or being double/triple bussed, between saying "lynch me" and throwing shade at people off wagon.
there is a townslip there that i realized and decided to leave in. where's silverspawn?
something i'm kind of concerned about is "lynch me" before claiming. i'm more wary about people forgetting to claim after mcmc in M94. i mean, that can just be taken to be a vt claim (and i did essentially that in M94; i said i would self-hammer, faust noted it as vt claim, i was like "right") and also by D2 scum have perhaps sussed out what their claims would be
Well nobody asked me to claim and I'd rather not give scum more information/PoE unless I absolutely need to.
Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?
mcmc has just been so much townier than you!
Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?is there anything else that tells this apart from town being resigned to being lynched? for the things i pointed out i think it's quite unlikely he's resigned if he's scum, rather trying to be lynched
Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?
I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!
TWM, I'm pretty sure you are completely basing your read on me on our difference of opinion on mcmc throughout the game. Would you say that is plausible?You are thinking of someone else. I mean. I was suspicious of you really early Day1 for just one post in particular, but I haven't really suspected you since then, until your recent change about Andrew, which I am now going to look more into.
Just when I thought we were buddies! Why?Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?
I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!
This post is scummy to me, BTW.
Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?
I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!
This post is scummy to me, BTW.
Ok, I really don't like the Andrew wagon. I could be convinced, but probably not easily. I need to reread how it formed, but I won't have time for the next several hours.
Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?
I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!
This post is scummy to me, BTW.
Why?
As for the Andrew wagon...I'm leaning town on him right now, but I don't think it'd be the worst lynch if we get to the deadline. That said, there's still a decent amount of time before the deadline so we shouldn't rush into this. I haven't decided who I'd rather lynch today.
Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?
I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!
This post is scummy to me, BTW.
Why?
As for the Andrew wagon...I'm leaning town on him right now, but I don't think it'd be the worst lynch if we get to the deadline. That said, there's still a decent amount of time before the deadline so we shouldn't rush into this. I haven't decided who I'd rather lynch today.
What do you think about WW?
Going to Unvote for the time being.
Is deadline coming up like .. soon? The last vote count says Monday the 21st, but the 21st is a Tuesday.
So in three under three hours?
Reading, will place my vote within the next probably hour.
Ok Dylan first. Here are his last posts before the lynch yesterday:I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.
I don't understand this statement.
I won't speak for Robz but to me this means we don't need a lynch so much as we need to see where people position on ever growing wagons. I mean the ones that go to lynch are going to be most informative but as people vote on and off wagons we get information, especially in retrospect.
Yeah this is how I took it also.
And lol TWM. Early I try to post little bits of reads so people know where I stand unless I see something I think is really strong evidence. Then I will post a lot more. More often than not, I'm incorrect about whatever conclusion I come to when that happens though, sadly (i.e. schadd circa squid girl, gkrieg circa stranger things). The only thing I think I've actually gotten right recently was protecting gkrieg as the bodyguard in squid girl mafia. Nailed it. not that it helped much...Mcmc. If the DAMA still stands, are you scum?
(Not sure what DAMA is)So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
This makes me think he's town. I know other people (WW and mcmc... as usual) were a little suspicious of this:So i'm 99% sure Dylan was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
I do not like this post.
He actually meant this:This one:So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
And then:So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.
Dylan, would you like to explain this?
I would actually like to know how you(dylan) came to think this as well.
Again, I think this is pretty damn towny to me. Though I could see it as new scum grasping at straws to find a case (or bus his partner).
Guys deadline is in 2 hours and 43 min! I am in bed and will put my vote on andrew or dylan. I would still rather dylan over andrew. I will go back to dylan if others will.
Guys deadline is in 2 hours and 43 min! I am in bed and will put my vote on andrew or dylan. I would still rather dylan over andrew. I will go back to dylan if others will.
vote: TWM
My biggest scumread of the three.
Also of note. There was talk of lynching off wagon, which is Dylan, TWM, IDPTG. Andrew reads all three and comes up with Town (Dylan), Null (IDPTG), and scum (TWM).vote: TWM
My biggest scumread of the three.
this looks like a way more contrived and self-conscious mirror ofLynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to
see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
I'll go back to vote: schadd. With awaclus leaving the wagon and Jake joining it, somehow I feel a bit better about it. My gut feeling is that showing your previous scum defense and saying this is the game you'll look to in the future as scum is a gambit you would absolutely pull as scum.
I don't know. It was pretty time prohibitive to find your actual defense in the mafiascum game because of the 100+ pages in that game... Like I said, this is kind of just a gut feeling thing. I would much rather have something concrete to go off. In addition, after looking back at mcmc, I just don't see as much of a scum narrative as I see for you. It's pretty weak, but it's just enough to support my gut, so I'm going with it.but that's like an post, at present i don't remember much else from him
an post
Where I think we are at:
Eevee (1): schadd
Dylan32 (2): Robz888, TWM
AndrewisFTTW (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, mcmcsalot
Witherweaver (2): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame, WW
Can we even get a Dylan lynch? I feel like we might have to default into an Andrew.
Where I think we are at:
Eevee (1): schadd
Dylan32 (2): Robz888, TWM
AndrewisFTTW (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, mcmcsalot
Witherweaver (2): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame, WW
Can we even get a Dylan lynch? I feel like we might have to default into an Andrew.
I don't see why we couldn't get a Dylan lynch. We have the people.
I prefer Dylan but would move my vote to Andrew if need be.
he's not paranoid
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I appreciate your honesty. I was reading D2 to answer my own question and you were one of the few, yeah. You, and mcmc, and maybe twm? Not sure exactly. So has Eevee gotten townier for you today, WW, or you just prefer anyone but mcmc and yourself?
PPE1
Can everyone briefly say why they prefer Dylan?
Can everyone briefly say why they prefer Dylan?
I didn't like how he switched from townreading Andrew to scum reading him when it stopped being convenient for him and didn't meet any of the criteria he set for himself to change that read.
But I am still not sure that I actually prefer Dylan. I kinda feel like we have a somewhat decent chance we are just deciding between partners. Am I being way too optimistic here?
Can everyone briefly say why they prefer Dylan?
I didn't like how he switched from townreading Andrew to scum reading him when it stopped being convenient for him and didn't meet any of the criteria he set for himself to change that read.
But I am still not sure that I actually prefer Dylan. I kinda feel like we have a somewhat decent chance we are just deciding between partners. Am I being way too optimistic here?
l don't think they are partners, rereading both. There are some suggestive markers, but a lot doesn't fit.
For what it's worth, this question sounds insincere. (And hence scummy.)
Lynch away.
In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.
Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...
Intent to hammer.
And to be 100% clear, I'm still not thrilled about an Andrew lynch, but if he flips town, then it would narrow the pool of people I'd be willing to lynch tomorrow down to like 3 people, and so I would join for the information. But if someone would go for a wagon on someone that I had previously listed as scummy, I would definitely prefer that.
PPE 1
This is why I don't think they are partners, by the way. Does sound like he may know Andrew is a mislynch, so fits that narrative.
I don't think your being optimistic the fact that they are both gone and not voting for eachother currently I think says we may have found partners
irrespective of pressure; i don't think he's trying to not look paranoid, rather, he tends to be when he's town and there isn't reason to be when you're scum.he's not paranoid
Meaning what? He's trying to play cool-headed to avoid looking like he's overreacting to pressure?
I don't think your being optimistic the fact that they are both gone and not voting for eachother currently I think says we may have found partners
i don't think he's trying to not look paranoid, rather, he tends to be when he's town and there isn't reason to be when you're scum.the post i pointed out looks like trying to be paranoid, incidentally
So my feelings on Andrew are basically these things. Well the first I can't explain well. It may just be his posting style. Early on it was, like, a lot of comments without actually making much contribution to the game. Somewhat opportunistically puts Joseph at L-1. I remember Andrew as being more argumentative. He has appealed to that argumentative meta regarding him defending his wagon, but it really didn't feel like he was defending that hard. Some discussion with McMc and someone else I think, but it never really escalated.
Worth mentioning that Andrew could just not want to get in those big arguments like with Ash and Yuma and so made a choice to play differently.
Another thing I didn't like is that he never really finds me suspicious for voting him and pushing his lynch. That's a big of a red flag for me (the anti-OMGUS thing). Voting me when my wagon started to grow, without much of a read on me one way or the other as his wagon grew.
Other things are just, it's what I feel, like gut.
I've admittedly become more unsure about things.
So my feelings on Andrew are basically these things. Well the first I can't explain well. It may just be his posting style. Early on it was, like, a lot of comments without actually making much contribution to the game. Somewhat opportunistically puts Joseph at L-1. I remember Andrew as being more argumentative. He has appealed to that argumentative meta regarding him defending his wagon, but it really didn't feel like he was defending that hard. Some discussion with McMc and someone else I think, but it never really escalated.
Worth mentioning that Andrew could just not want to get in those big arguments like with Ash and Yuma and so made a choice to play differently.
Another thing I didn't like is that he never really finds me suspicious for voting him and pushing his lynch. That's a big of a red flag for me (the anti-OMGUS thing). Voting me when my wagon started to grow, without much of a read on me one way or the other as his wagon grew.
Other things are just, it's what I feel, like gut.
I've admittedly become more unsure about things.
milk macaroon: as i said, human. there is one specific thing that i'm thinking of with thisthis was use of allcaps
I say hit it.
(Note to self: be more aggressive as scum.)yeah yeah blah blah
I say hit it.
Not interested in a claim?
(Note to self: be more aggressive as scum.)
I say hit it.
Not interested in a claim?
If Dylan is on. Then sure. But if WW is the only person who could vote for Dylan in the next hourish, I would rather get a lynch and not risk a no lynch.
pow!boom!
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Who are you talking to and what are you saying?
yes. this is another thing i think he's bad at when he's scumAlright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)Mcmc seems town.
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Who are you talking to and what are you saying?
Talking to town, the two games I was scum I was like only person to do repost the lynch wagons so we could look at them all next to eachother and no one did post counts(I wasn't going to as scum). So if I die I want a towny to do those two things.
I wanted to wait up until we saw a flip. But I am tired. So I am going to bed.
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Who are you talking to and what are you saying?
Talking to town, the two games I was scum I was like only person to do repost the lynch wagons so we could look at them all next to eachother and no one did post counts(I wasn't going to as scum). So if I die I want a towny to do those two things.
Vote Count 1.final
mcmcsalot (3): Dylan32, ashersky, Joseph2302Joseph2302 (5+2):, mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 13-1 alive, it took 5+2 to lynch. Twilight ends at 13-2.13+2pm FT.
why not me?
But for the most part, you've just been pretty null other than feeling slightly different from that game, so idk. I don't like your question though. Reminds me too much of me telling IDPTG not to town read me when I was scum.was making sure you couldn't cast suspicion on me by not mentioning me if you're twilight trolling
right
pps, shouldn't you be more excited about talking to d32
Remeber everyone scum has to "troll" every twilight since there is still a governor which could prevent the lynch.
Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Why Robz?
So Virgin means kills the next night phase are blocked.
vote: pps
vote: pps
And yeah, I'll sheep that for now.
vote: pps
Virgin effect is blockable, FYI.
Virgin effect is blockable, FYI.
How is it blockable?
vote: pps
And yeah, I'll sheep that for now.
vote: pps
No surprise, there.
We should have never abandoned your wagon, mcmc was right about you.
Vote: Andrew
townslippishVirgin effect is blockable, FYI.
How is it blockable?
Answered my own question: If mcmc was roleblocked on one of the two previous nights.
vote: pps
And yeah, I'll sheep that for now.
vote: pps
No surprise, there.
We should have never abandoned your wagon, mcmc was right about you.
Vote: Andrew
vote: pps
townslippishVirgin effect is blockable, FYI.
How is it blockable?
Answered my own question: If mcmc was roleblocked on one of the two previous nights.
townslippishVirgin effect is blockable, FYI.
How is it blockable?
Answered my own question: If mcmc was roleblocked on one of the two previous nights.
vote: pps
And yeah, I'll sheep that for now.
vote: pps
No surprise, there.
We should have never abandoned your wagon, mcmc was right about you.
Vote: Andrew
Killing mcmc makes Andrew look more guilty. Not sure it's something he would do as scum.
Virgin effect is blockable, FYI.
How is it blockable?
Answered my own question: If mcmc was roleblocked on one of the two previous nights.
uh, didn't try to hide it. hated how he defended d32 post-hammer, and i voted him after noting that voting him is finevote: pps
Why did you try to hide this vote? Don't give me some cute schadd answer.
You are [flavor name], the Virgin!
If you killed during the night, the following night the mafia's nightkill will be blocked. Your power is permanently lost if you are targeted by a Roleblocker.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
note the ishtownslippishVirgin effect is blockable, FYI.
How is it blockable?
Answered my own question: If mcmc was roleblocked on one of the two previous nights.
Trivially constructable.
You are [flavor name], the Virgin!
If you killed during the night, the following night the mafia's nightkill will be blocked. Your power is permanently lost if you are targeted by a Roleblocker.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
I think I'd support a massclaim if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
I think I'd support a massclaim if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
I think I'd support a massclaim if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
Perhaps. We don't have an IC to lead it, though.
I think I'd support a massclaim if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
Perhaps. We don't have an IC to lead it, though.
I think I'd support a massclaim if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
Perhaps. We don't have an IC to lead it, though.
Yeah we do. The UB. The UB still has their shot so if scum counterclaims and we lynch the UB, the UB doesn't die. I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. And this assumes the UB exists.
I think I'd support a massclaim if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
Perhaps. We don't have an IC to lead it, though.
Yeah we do. The UB. The UB still has their shot so if scum counterclaims and we lynch the UB, the UB doesn't die. I'm not convinced it's a good idea though. And this assumes the UB exists.
oh fuck
just noticed the small text. i did that on my phone, which also has the dumb formatting issues that i always have for some reason. entirely unintentional
he is claiming that it didn't work because protective roles were switched
or strongman. you didn't consider strongman?
QuoteWelcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Strongman!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
If you perform your faction's kill, no protective role targeting your target (Jailkeeper or Bodyguard) can save them.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Your fakeclaim is [flavor name].
i mean, that smells manufactured townslip, in isolation at least. and you do that sort of thing. but whatever.
does strongman go through virgin?
town rb/jk. but this will be revealed if so
I think it's more likely scum strong-killed mcmc than that they activated the switch.
town rb/jk. but this will be revealed if so
What is this claim?
I think it's more likely scum strong-killed mcmc than that they activated the switch.
So you believe my claim?
I was going to leave TWM higher, but he doesn't seem to be here and I figure we should get this going.
I work on a computer all day if that explains anything.
Eevee might not be on for a while (he is vacationing if I remember the VLA correctly). As such, I can go before him if that is desired?
Am I supposed to be in charge of who claims when?
Vote Count 1.final
mcmcsalot (3): Dylan32, ashersky, Joseph2302Joseph2302 (5+2):, mcmcsalot, Witherweaver, Robz888, schadd, Eevee, AndrewisFTTW, pingpongsam
Dylan32 (1): The_Wine_Merchant
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 13-1 alive, it took 5+2 to lynch. Twilight ends at 13-2.13+2pm FT.
Vote Count 2.finalDylan32 (6): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, mcmcsalot, AndrewisFTTW, schadd, Witherweaver
AndrewisFTTW (2): pingpongsam, Eevee
Witherweaver (1): Dylan32
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 13-3 alive it took 5+1 to lynch.
Day 2 ended at 8+3.21 pm. Twilight started then and will end at 8+3.21 am.[color]
Virgin effect is blockable, FYI.What do you mean?
Virgin effect is blockable, FYI.What do you mean?
The switch to Dylan yesterday seems so hasty it feels scum-driven to me. Interested to look back what happened there.
So we have PPVV, leaving scum with TT: Rolecop, 2-Shot Ninja, Strongman.
I think we probably have to assume WW's Bodyguard claim is true. The setup does not allow for two Bodyguards, so he actually culd have been counterclaimed. And his confusion over how it works in conjunction with other stuff seems genuine. So yeah, I accept the claim.
If there is even a chance we are at MYLO, probably better to err on the side of caution with votes.
So we have PPVV, leaving scum with TT: Rolecop, 2-Shot Ninja, Strongman.
I think we probably have to assume WW's Bodyguard claim is true. The setup does not allow for two Bodyguards, so he actually culd have been counterclaimed. And his confusion over how it works in conjunction with other stuff seems genuine. So yeah, I accept the claim.
I tentatively agree. The only thing that makes me wonder is if mafia has 1-shot Ninja instead of 2-shot ninja (TTT). Joseph's role and mcmc's role combine to make VVP. And mafia could have known that all town roles had been revealed already and WW could safely fake claim.
Although I guess that gets thrown under the water as soon as either the Goon or 1-shot Ninja flip. So, yeah, I agree more now that I wrote this out.
So we have PPVV, leaving scum with TT: Rolecop, 2-Shot Ninja, Strongman.
I think we probably have to assume WW's Bodyguard claim is true. The setup does not allow for two Bodyguards, so he actually culd have been counterclaimed. And his confusion over how it works in conjunction with other stuff seems genuine. So yeah, I accept the claim.
I'm probably scummiest on TWM and schadd right now.
Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Why Robz?
Lurky, Voter #1, Reasons
So we have PPVV, leaving scum with TT: Rolecop, 2-Shot Ninja, Strongman.
I think we probably have to assume WW's Bodyguard claim is true. The setup does not allow for two Bodyguards, so he actually culd have been counterclaimed. And his confusion over how it works in conjunction with other stuff seems genuine. So yeah, I accept the claim.
I tentatively agree. The only thing that makes me wonder is if mafia has 1-shot Ninja instead of 2-shot ninja (TTT). Joseph's role and mcmc's role combine to make VVP. And mafia could have known that all town roles had been revealed already and WW could safely fake claim.
Although I guess that gets thrown under the water as soon as either the Goon or 1-shot Ninja flip. So, yeah, I agree more now that I wrote this out.
I think this is always setup where scum can't know number of PRs to full accuracy: two different numbers of T roles give rise to the same observed scum powers. I also claimed first (after UB), so I don't think there's any conceivable way where I could have fake claimed fully safely.
pps was absent for the whole Dylan wagon, although it happened in a fairly short time so there could've been a IRL conflict or something for him. Also I'm curious if pps ever gave his "reasons" here:Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Why Robz?
Lurky, Voter #1, Reasons
pps was absent for the whole Dylan wagon, although it happened in a fairly short time so there could've been a IRL conflict or something for him. Also I'm curious if pps ever gave his "reasons" here:Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Why Robz?
Lurky, Voter #1, Reasons
Reasons is he is looking more and more like scum Robz letting town kill themselves without much effort on his part. I think town Robz would have engaged at this point to try to help us dig out of the hole we're in.
pps was absent for the whole Dylan wagon, although it happened in a fairly short time so there could've been a IRL conflict or something for him. Also I'm curious if pps ever gave his "reasons" here:Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Why Robz?
Lurky, Voter #1, Reasons
Reasons is he is looking more and more like scum Robz letting town kill themselves without much effort on his part. I think town Robz would have engaged at this point to try to help us dig out of the hole we're in.
Yeah but he's here. Were you expecting him to be leading town today or something?
mine are in twm, eevee, pps, android. don't think pps v android is svs though, and i have moreish thoughts l8r
I want to go back onto Andrew personally. Since we are all apparently saying where we are.
I want to go back onto Andrew personally. Since we are all apparently saying where we are.
Yeah, let's do that, it stalled for a reason, people.
Vote: Andrew
I want to go back onto Andrew personally. Since we are all apparently saying where we are.
Yeah, let's do that, it stalled for a reason, people.
Vote: Andrew
Right, let's do exactly what scum wants everyone to do. Obviously they didn't choose to kill mcmc at random. They did it so everyone could point to me afterwards and easily mislynch me, just like yesterday. If I was scum why the hell would I want to kill mcmc last night? Especially after all the scum reads mcmc was getting during twilight, I think an mcmc lynch today was probable.
The Wine Merchant seemed pretty townie on Day 2. But, it's the first time I played with him, and he could be good at looking like he's thinking like town.
I'm not completely writing him off as town, but he'd be bottom of my lynch list.
I want to go back onto Andrew personally. Since we are all apparently saying where we are.
Yeah, let's do that, it stalled for a reason, people.
Vote: Andrew
Right, let's do exactly what scum wants everyone to do. Obviously they didn't choose to kill mcmc at random. They did it so everyone could point to me afterwards and easily mislynch me, just like yesterday. If I was scum why the hell would I want to kill mcmc last night? Especially after all the scum reads mcmc was getting during twilight, I think an mcmc lynch today was probable.
I feel like mcmc would have pushed for your lynch if he were left alive. So I don't know if I buy this logic. I really don't think mcmc would have been mislynched today. I wouldnt' have gone for it and I think a majority of others would have felt the same. But I guess that is all speculation. More important is that the reasons you were scummy yesterday still exist.
I was more anti-Andrew than McMc, and probably more of a mislynch target after yesterday. So I don't think that argument flies.
So my feelings on Andrew are basically these things. Well the first I can't explain well. It may just be his posting style. Early on it was, like, a lot of comments without actually making much contribution to the game. Somewhat opportunistically puts Joseph at L-1. I remember Andrew as being more argumentative. He has appealed to that argumentative meta regarding him defending his wagon, but it really didn't feel like he was defending that hard. Some discussion with McMc and someone else I think, but it never really escalated.
Worth mentioning that Andrew could just not want to get in those big arguments like with Ash and Yuma and so made a choice to play differently.
Another thing I didn't like is that he never really finds me suspicious for voting him and pushing his lynch. That's a big of a red flag for me (the anti-OMGUS thing). Voting me when my wagon started to grow, without much of a read on me one way or the other as his wagon grew.
Other things are just, it's what I feel, like gut.
I've admittedly become more unsure about things.
So my feelings on Andrew are basically these things. Well the first I can't explain well. It may just be his posting style. Early on it was, like, a lot of comments without actually making much contribution to the game. Somewhat opportunistically puts Joseph at L-1. I remember Andrew as being more argumentative. He has appealed to that argumentative meta regarding him defending his wagon, but it really didn't feel like he was defending that hard. Some discussion with McMc and someone else I think, but it never really escalated.
Worth mentioning that Andrew could just not want to get in those big arguments like with Ash and Yuma and so made a choice to play differently.
Yes. I'm making a conscious effort not to take it to that level, that was never pleasant. I recently reread a game where we had a big fight and I offended you, which I forgot about. Not trying to replicate that.QuoteAnother thing I didn't like is that he never really finds me suspicious for voting him and pushing his lynch. That's a big of a red flag for me (the anti-OMGUS thing). Voting me when my wagon started to grow, without much of a read on me one way or the other as his wagon grew.
Other things are just, it's what I feel, like gut.
I've admittedly become more unsure about things.
I don't find everyone that suspects me to be scum. I did suspect you slightly, mostly because of your posting style which I hadn't seen from you before, but mainly I voted you because 1) you were an alternative to my wagon and 2) I was hoping to help provoke you to post more meaningful content, which I think you've done since then. I'm not taking credit for it but I know you're a valuable asset to town and I want you to be scumhunting instead of sarcastically egging people on and whatnot.
Well, I'd say gut is this most important thing in playing these games.
I'm really undecided on Andrew.
I'm really undecided on Andrew.
We can lynch you instead!
I'm really undecided on Andrew.
We can lynch you instead!
I know! I'm surprised you're not trying to!
I'm really undecided on Andrew.
We can lynch you instead!
A big part of mcmc's case on me was when I put Joseph to L-1. He said it just felt like I jumped onto his wagon out of nowhere. But he also said pps looked scummy for quickhammering, which I agree with and I said way back it looks to me like pps is using the "too scummy to be scum" move and will thus be granted towncred which he will use to ride out the rest of the game relatively unsuspected. And it looks like it's worked.
By the way, mcmc's wagon stalled D1. It doesn't mean anything in terms of alignment.
I mean it seems like the only reason pps wants to lynch me today is because my wagon failed yesterday and he's bitter about it. mcmc was the only one to even have a case on me for anything. WW even admitted his scum read on me is more a gut read than anything. With everything that has happened why do you guys insist on just following your gut? At this stage in the game I'm not going to just throw my vote on someone just because I have this feeling that they're scum, I'm going to go back and read and provide evidence for what I think is scummy. With pps specifically it feels like a copout for not doing any work or providing facts. He just says my wagon stalled and places a vote. Done. That is scummy.I want to go back onto Andrew personally. Since we are all apparently saying where we are.
Yeah, let's do that, it stalled for a reason, people.
Vote: Andrew
Right, let's do exactly what scum wants everyone to do. Obviously they didn't choose to kill mcmc at random. They did it so everyone could point to me afterwards and easily mislynch me, just like yesterday. If I was scum why the hell would I want to kill mcmc last night? Especially after all the scum reads mcmc was getting during twilight, I think an mcmc lynch today was probable.
I feel like mcmc would have pushed for your lynch if he were left alive. So I don't know if I buy this logic. I really don't think mcmc would have been mislynched today. I wouldnt' have gone for it and I think a majority of others would have felt the same. But I guess that is all speculation. More important is that the reasons you were scummy yesterday still exist.
So what are the reasons I was scummy yesterday?
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
I am only a slight scum read. (woah, my iPad just autocorrected too mcmcsalot instead of the other way around) is a number one scum read. But I am getting the vote.
This is what I was talking about.
Vote: andrew
There is no set rule that we have to lynch off wagon. I can understand why that might be an idea to at least look at, but you are taking it as a rule.
There are 10 players alive. 3 that were off wagon and 7 that were on. I personally think it somewhat unlikely that more than one mafia was off wagon (from my perspective that would mean it would have to be Dylan and IDPTG, which certainly could be possible, but I think rather unlikely). So that is a 1/3 (0.33) chance (1/2 of two from my perspective, but I think it makes more sense to look at it from a strictly neutral position when trying to do these numbers) at best as there is still a decent chance the number of scum off wagon is zero.
As for on wagon it is likely either 3/7 (0.42) or 2/7 (0.28) that are mafia. So I don't think a rule to have to lynch off wagon today is worth ignoring "strong scum reads" as I think that is potentially what mafia is trying to do. Push a lynch onto an area where there are zero or one mafia and safely ignore the area where there is likely to be a higher number on wagon.
I wouldn't call you any of those terms, and I agree that even if I felt that way about them, they wouldn't necessarily be scummy.
What I meant, and what I should have been more clear about above, was how you have felt compelled to respond to every point about you. It seems like you are giving more credence to every remark about you, which is precisely how I felt when I was last scum. I feel like town lets things slide off their back more often whereas scum is hyper aware and feels like any suspicion could escalate, so you need to put the damper on it quick. Last game mcmc pointed out I was doing it in the scum QT and it was still really hard to check myself.
I remember Andrew as being more argumentative. He has appealed to that argumentative meta regarding him defending his wagon, but it really didn't feel like he was defending that hard. Some discussion with McMc and someone else I think, but it never really escalated.
yeah, that pps theory doesn't fly at all. the only other two wagons around at that time were both confirmed townies: mcmc and dylan. The previous vote count to that had small wagons on eevee, another townie (IDPTG) and PPS himself. But those were all at 1 vote.
So yeah, that doesn't make sense. For PPS to be scum, both partners had to already be on the wagon. And he had to feel that he could take the pressure of doing a quick hammer on a townie with no immediate benefit to his team. So he could still have done it, but I don't see a reason for him to do it. I think scum generally needs to have reasons to do things.
For the first two, the idea that I had was that you were using the idea of lynching off wagon as a rule to manipulate the lynch toward me/Dylan/IDPTG. That you were willing to go that route even over your scum read of mcmc showed that you cared more about lynching in a certain area than actually lynching scum.
"So I don't think a rule to have to lynch off wagon today is worth ignoring "strong scum reads" as I think that is potentially what mafia is trying to do. Push a lynch onto an area where there are zero or one mafia and safely ignore the area where there is likely to be a higher number on wagon."
Basically you were doing exactly what I hypothesized. Lynching in an area where there was town and have as a back-up the area where there actually was mafia, but not want to go for those people either.
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Who are you talking to and what are you saying?
Talking to town, the two games I was scum I was like only person to do repost the lynch wagons so we could look at them all next to eachother and no one did post counts(I wasn't going to as scum). So if I die I want a towny to do those two things.
I'm confident you'll still be alive and you'll be the one doing this. No towncred from me for it though.
Alright, if I die in the night follow up with another post count and put all the lynch wagons next to eachother with alignments(don't include you own)
Who are you talking to and what are you saying?
Talking to town, the two games I was scum I was like only person to do repost the lynch wagons so we could look at them all next to eachother and no one did post counts(I wasn't going to as scum). So if I die I want a towny to do those two things.
I'm confident you'll still be alive and you'll be the one doing this. No towncred from me for it though.
What made you think that he'd still be alive?
@Everyone- did mcmc seem like a PR D1?
@Everyone- did mcmc seem like a PR D1?typically PRs will be quiet D1, as they don't benefit as much from being townread. mcmc was very loud d1 in this game. sort of relevant, he was also really loud/active in M94 in a way that i could have pegged him scum for in M94 if i were still alive, and tried to point out D1 (he didn't claim D1 & claimed inventor later, but played super vt)
yeah, that pps theory doesn't fly at all. the only other two wagons around at that time were both confirmed townies: mcmc and dylan. The previous vote count to that had small wagons on eevee, another townie (IDPTG) and PPS himself. But those were all at 1 vote.In response to the bolded part, says who?
So yeah, that doesn't make sense. For PPS to be scum, both partners had to already be on the wagon. And he had to feel that he could take the pressure of doing a quick hammer on a townie with no immediate benefit to his team. So he could still have done it, but I don't see a reason for him to do it. I think scum generally needs to have reasons to do things.
robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.
yeah, that pps theory doesn't fly at all. the only other two wagons around at that time were both confirmed townies: mcmc and dylan. The previous vote count to that had small wagons on eevee, another townie (IDPTG) and PPS himself. But those were all at 1 vote.In response to the bolded part, says who?
So yeah, that doesn't make sense. For PPS to be scum, both partners had to already be on the wagon. And he had to feel that he could take the pressure of doing a quick hammer on a townie with no immediate benefit to his team. So he could still have done it, but I don't see a reason for him to do it. I think scum generally needs to have reasons to do things.
Because the only players who weren't on wagon are dead and town except for IDPTG (UB) and me (I know I am town). So if PPS is mafia his partners had to already be voting, at least from my perspective. If you disagree then that means you must think I am mafia.
Maybe that makes PPS more like to be mafia then? Cause if he is town that means all three mafia had to be on the wagon before him hammering. I guess that is still possible, just means it is more likely a specific strategy thought up during the night.
robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.
he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).
robz gets the schaddbrand TownClearTM
robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.
he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).
robz gets the schaddbrand TownClearTM
See, if you were scum and i was you I would never, ever do this if Robz was also scum and I knew it because I am you and you are scum.
yeah, that pps theory doesn't fly at all. the only other two wagons around at that time were both confirmed townies: mcmc and dylan. The previous vote count to that had small wagons on eevee, another townie (IDPTG) and PPS himself. But those were all at 1 vote.In response to the bolded part, says who?
So yeah, that doesn't make sense. For PPS to be scum, both partners had to already be on the wagon. And he had to feel that he could take the pressure of doing a quick hammer on a townie with no immediate benefit to his team. So he could still have done it, but I don't see a reason for him to do it. I think scum generally needs to have reasons to do things.
Because the only players who weren't on wagon are dead and town except for IDPTG (UB) and me (I know I am town). So if PPS is mafia his partners had to already be voting, at least from my perspective. If you disagree then that means you must think I am mafia.
Maybe that makes PPS more like to be mafia then? Cause if he is town that means all three mafia had to be on the wagon before him hammering. I guess that is still possible, just means it is more likely a specific strategy thought up during the night.
I see what you mean but I posed that as a general question. Not sure why I interpreted it the way I did. I mean I still think you're somewhat scummy so to me there's the possibility that you are the scum off wagon but it's also possible that two were already on and pps, being the third, quickhammered because he anticipated town would look off wagon at least a little bit. I mean I think it makes sense and would definitely be a strategy I would go along with as scum. I don't see why pps wouldn't put it into action.
yeah, that pps theory doesn't fly at all. the only other two wagons around at that time were both confirmed townies: mcmc and dylan. The previous vote count to that had small wagons on eevee, another townie (IDPTG) and PPS himself. But those were all at 1 vote.In response to the bolded part, says who?
So yeah, that doesn't make sense. For PPS to be scum, both partners had to already be on the wagon. And he had to feel that he could take the pressure of doing a quick hammer on a townie with no immediate benefit to his team. So he could still have done it, but I don't see a reason for him to do it. I think scum generally needs to have reasons to do things.
Because the only players who weren't on wagon are dead and town except for IDPTG (UB) and me (I know I am town). So if PPS is mafia his partners had to already be voting, at least from my perspective. If you disagree then that means you must think I am mafia.
Maybe that makes PPS more like to be mafia then? Cause if he is town that means all three mafia had to be on the wagon before him hammering. I guess that is still possible, just means it is more likely a specific strategy thought up during the night.
I see what you mean but I posed that as a general question. Not sure why I interpreted it the way I did. I mean I still think you're somewhat scummy so to me there's the possibility that you are the scum off wagon but it's also possible that two were already on and pps, being the third, quickhammered because he anticipated town would look off wagon at least a little bit. I mean I think it makes sense and would definitely be a strategy I would go along with as scum. I don't see why pps wouldn't put it into action.
This is what we call tunneling. Tie me to my scum partners if you think you really have a case on me.
@Everyone- did mcmc seem like a PR D1?
@Everyone- did mcmc seem like a PR D1?
No. I didn't think so.
i think i know why you are asking
Do you expect me to be totally stubborn and unwilling to lynch someone who isn't my top scum read? Because that's... kinda how I acted in this game, thinking about it. Probably not the most pro-town play but I was pretty confident in my mcmc read.
i do. unless i'm secretly agreeing with the opposite of the thing. also consider ww (though i don't think he seemed especially PR either)i think i know why you are askingYou're probably right. Do you agree?
Do you expect me to be totally stubborn and unwilling to lynch someone who isn't my top scum read? Because that's... kinda how I acted in this game, thinking about it. Probably not the most pro-town play but I was pretty confident in my mcmc read.
I feel like my words are being twisted. I wanted others to vote for the players they thought were the scummiest (being stubborn about one player is rarely a really good move unless you are really, really sure). Instead some people were voting based off speculative categories rather than looking at scummy or not. I felt like that was a scum tactic and I felt like you were doing it more than the rest.
ww i'm just going to say is town, cool, done. i was at about 95% town on him before D3, just from having read his last uh 4 games (M90, M95, RMM40, ZM23). his approach to playing scum, in M90 & RMM40, was just to come up with a bunch of different townslippy/organic things and throw shade at people/converse without committing to anyone, whereas when he's town he is more testy, invested, and interested in lynching people. i think that he's been much more of the latter in this game, and i see no reason to believe he would specifically switch things up (considering he was super townread in M90, townread by all means except game state in RMM40, and got lynched D2 in M95). and also just by gamestate i would say he has an additional (er, multiplicative i guess) 95% chance of being town here (since he's confirmable by any scum flip other than rolecop and he has sown worry about switch which has no scum benefit really)retroactively saying you read someone as 95% town already before after they've been semi-IC'd seems very scummy to me. i mean, my strongest townread all game was mcmc, but i was nowhere near 95% on it. if you were that sure, why weren't you beating that drum harder yesterday? i'm especially sceptical because i find WW perhaps the hardest person to read, just seems really hard to believe town could ever realistically be that sure with no pr information or even no strong wagon evidence to go from. i know people are generally bad with statistics, but in my head i for some reason have the idea of schadd having made bayesian posts somewhere on the forums, so this 95% seems very sketchy to me.
The Wine Merchant seemed pretty townie on Day 2. But, it's the first time I played with him, and he could be good at looking like he's thinking like town.agree with this
I'm not completely writing him off as town, but he'd be bottom of my lynch list.
super disagree with this. i think mcmc was one of the least likely to be lynched today, (and that scum killed him because of that?)I want to go back onto Andrew personally. Since we are all apparently saying where we are.
Yeah, let's do that, it stalled for a reason, people.
Vote: Andrew
Right, let's do exactly what scum wants everyone to do. Obviously they didn't choose to kill mcmc at random. They did it so everyone could point to me afterwards and easily mislynch me, just like yesterday. If I was scum why the hell would I want to kill mcmc last night? Especially after all the scum reads mcmc was getting during twilight, I think an mcmc lynch today was probable.
i think for most people, especially for a player of mcmc's caliber, it's just not possible to tell because they are going to mix it up. so really no idea, but if anything, i would assume special role (=pr or scum) -> more into the game, more activity. of course hindsight is 20/20, but being the role he was and being very active and doing his best makes a lot of sense, you want to draw the nightkill as the virgin.@Everyone- did mcmc seem like a PR D1?typically PRs will be quiet D1, as they don't benefit as much from being townread. mcmc was very loud d1 in this game. sort of relevant, he was also really loud/active in M94 in a way that i could have pegged him scum for in M94 if i were still alive, and tried to point out D1 (he didn't claim D1 & claimed inventor later, but played super vt)
i think i know why you are asking
robz is the kind of wifom. i would advice not trying against him, for real.robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.
he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).
robz gets the schaddbrand TownClearTM
im serious, do not townread him for being too lurky (or vaguely scummy) to be scum "for a player of his caliber". he really has no shame with stuff like that. speaking from experience here. i think he would agree, i'm pretty sure mcmc would at least. he was there (oh the horror)robz is the kind of wifom. i would advice not trying against him, for real.robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.
he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).
robz gets the schaddbrand TownClearTM
retroactively saying you read someone as 95% town already before after they've been semi-IC'd seems very scummy to me.
yeah, stop buddying me, it's shaking my unshakeable locktown obvtown conftown mod-confirmed neverlynch hard soul vca meta read on you
95% still seems excessive, point stands if a little less strongnot especially? eod2, 3 scum among 9 people, which means that each person has a 66% chance of being scum; i'm saying ww is about 1/7 as likely as the next guy to be scum. faust has to say:
That's the good thing about town reads; the chance tat they are correct are pretty high.
i thought your point was precisely that you thought so strongly yesterday?it was, but my intention wasn't "look at me, i'm so great for having been right about ww"
things scum says!i thought your point was precisely that you thought so strongly yesterday?it was, but my intention wasn't "look at me, i'm so great for having been right about ww"
I'm not convinced Schadd is town, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today.
To be fair, Andrew was an alternate lynch so would need to default to Dylan at the end.
robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.
he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).
robz gets the schaddbrand TownClearTM
Lynch away.to undecided townies with robz off wagon (and not really around, even) which could have meant a D2 scum lynch with only 1 scum on wagon and 1-2 town PRs + UB/gov unaccounted for
1-2 town PRsor, wait. up to 4 letters of town PR unaccounted for. scum knows it's one of TT, T, 0T
Robz, pps, and Eevee find schadd scummy. What's the case on him? Is there one?
Robz, pps, and Eevee find schadd scummy. What's the case on him? Is there one?
Too good to be true and vote record from memory. Wish I had time to construct a case. Maybe tomorrow.
I really do not want to lynch anyone but Andrew today. Give the interactions and wagon from yesterday, a scum!Andrew Lynch has a lot of benefit for finding partners. The upside is big if I'm right.
I really do not want to lynch anyone but Andrew today. Give the interactions and wagon from yesterday, a scum!Andrew Lynch has a lot of benefit for finding partners. The upside is big if I'm right.
Concurring but do want to put in some actual reading.
I really do not want to lynch anyone but Andrew today. Give the interactions and wagon from yesterday, a scum!Andrew Lynch has a lot of benefit for finding partners. The upside is big if I'm right.
Concurring but do want to put in some actual reading.
I really do not want to lynch anyone but Andrew today. Give the interactions and wagon from yesterday, a scum!Andrew Lynch has a lot of benefit for finding partners. The upside is big if I'm right.
Concurring but do want to put in some actual reading.
Oh so tunneling is ok when it comes from the IC and when it's directed at someone you want to lynch. Great. I'm glad I got that all figured out.
I really do not want to lynch anyone but Andrew today. Give the interactions and wagon from yesterday, a scum!Andrew Lynch has a lot of benefit for finding partners. The upside is big if I'm right.
Concurring but do want to put in some actual reading.
Oh so tunneling is ok when it comes from the IC and when it's directed at someone you want to lynch. Great. I'm glad I got that all figured out.
I wasn't tunneling when I voted you yesterday and there was no quasi ic. I wasn't tunneling when I reopened the vote on you today because we should have lynched you yesterday but you and your scum buddies managed to get us onto another mislynch. I wasn't tunneling when I carefully unvoted when cautioned about potential scum quickhammers which we should have already seen orchestrated when it became clear today that you are definitely the right lynch.
Sorry, my girlfriend flew home and friends flew in, been staying in (with wifi) a lot less and going out (drinking) a lot more.
Vote: Andrew L-2! Basically agree with WW and TWM.
I mean yes I'm tumbling but I also let myself get talked away from the Lynch yesterday and here we are.
So I guess we just need to go with Andrew and then see what happens. If he is mafia, I think I would go toward Robz next? Robz had enough of the similar things pop-up with Andrew, but with less substance due to less voting.
I mean yes I'm tumbling but I also let myself get talked away from the Lynch yesterday and here we are.
It's all good WW, I was tunneling mcmc pretty hard earlier. I was just commenting on pps's double standard.So I guess we just need to go with Andrew and then see what happens. If he is mafia, I think I would go toward Robz next? Robz had enough of the similar things pop-up with Andrew, but with less substance due to less voting.
No. We don't need to "just" do anything and "see what happens".
So we just need to see if IDP joins the cause or one of scum hammers for cred. Be more interesting to see scum try to make an alternative wagon but the POE is pretty strong today.
I think Robz is most likely to hammer and schadd more likely to try a different case.
So we just need to see if IDP joins the cause or one of scum hammers for cred. Be more interesting to see scum try to make an alternative wagon but the POE is pretty strong today.
I think Robz is most likely to hammer and schadd more likely to try a different case.
So if Robz or schadd hammers they're automatically scum hammering for towncred? Well done! Excellent scumhunting!
So we just need to see if IDP joins the cause or one of scum hammers for cred. Be more interesting to see scum try to make an alternative wagon but the POE is pretty strong today.
I think Robz is most likely to hammer and schadd more likely to try a different case.
So if Robz or schadd hammers they're automatically scum hammering for towncred? Well done! Excellent scumhunting!
FWIW, I doubt scum will hammer you.
Gosh I wish I felt better about the Andrew lynch. Really think schadd or TWM is a better bet. But I hope I'm wrong.
But as I read through schadd, I tried to look for things that were scummy and didn't see anything stand out to me.that would make you, like, the first ever out of everyone that has played with me
until then:But as I read through schadd, I tried to look for things that were scummy and didn't see anything stand out to me.that would make you, like, the first ever out of everyone that has played with me
incidentally, do people prefer quotes or post numbers with links?
ok still rereading but i want idptg to say something snooty/authoritarian so we can say "who died and made you governor"
So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on. Voting had no effect on TWM, he was notably absent, game stalling, so prodded him.whomst was town.
But I must be the bad guy because hey, look, PPS isn't doing all that stuff he usually does to catalyse a game. Never mind that we're he scum he would definitely be pushing the game much like Vote: mcmc is.
Why are you voting eevee? I thought it was just to see if we could get something going. We got something better over here on mcmc, you should join us.
Is eevee dumb enough to defend his partner? Does scum!eevee defend a wagon deep townie?part 1 of a series called partnery eevee talk
Eevee doesn't look like scum today.
Vote: Joseph:((((((((
It's not like I started out of the blue on this game. This is at least 4 games in the making. It's been fleshed out quite a bit more in the previous games so I'm not feeling overly compulsed to make the case all over again. Basically, If I'm in the game then there ought not be willy nilly wagon run-ups because there is a hammer waiting. The first couple of times I tried this I announced intent to hammer at like L-2 or L-3 or even called a player that was obviously about to get runup and stated I'd hammer if he went L-1. In those games it sure seemed a towny enough thing to do. I suppose just doing it unannounced is quite a bit less towny but the meta is the same and the reasons too.still, still, still, still think this sucks.
So the good news is we start tomorrow with only one dead townsperson.didn't you, like, think mcmc was scum? and we were rather close to lynching him?
eevee definitely fought the mcmc wagon. I dunno if eevee partners that hard. I know I sure as hell do not, like ever, never, ever, not even a little bit sometimes. In fact, I'm such an anti partner that my scumpartnertell is the one guy I'm just not talking about or interacting with but still willing to vote. This is so much the case that I really never consider that other players would do such a thing.
The thing is Eevee did a few things I just don't think scum!eevee does. I commented on those things at the time. I may have biased my observations around the idea that mcmc was assumed scum, though.partnery stuff p2. note that he never just calls eevee town.
up until this point it's kind of ambiguous whether he scumreads mcmc (though later he hard townreads mcmc and says that he had been all of d2). he will later defend the shit out of dylan post-hammer and claim the wagon was scum driven:I may vote dylan. schadd and I have been way more buddy buddy than eevee and I. Also the conclusions dylan made are that if I am town, he wants to lynch andrew or pps which is basically what I had said about how andrew and pps moved from me to Joseph scummily. He makes no conclusion about what me being town says about eevee. Then he says if I'm scum eevee is certainly scum, which I don't know how he has gotten to. Then he ends with a scummy if we're going to look off wagon twm is the scummy one but doesn't give any reasons whatso ever as to why.
All he is doing is setting up people he wants to lynch with almost no reasons other than mcmc and eevee are buddying eachother.
Also I want to clarify I really think his explaination for why andrew and pps are people he would look to if I were town is indicative of him being scum. After a complete reread it's a really general reasoning that is setting up where he can pivot when I flip town. He's not even thinking about what eevee flipping town would mean which is wierd since it's an eevee/me interaction not just me. It's just very "I've made one read I'm basing all my other reads on so I can change them" I do this as scum lots.
Agree with all this.
Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
and here we are, at mylo (or close to it), where he sheeps ww's team call, with little unhedged reason, no sense of priority, in spite of earlier saying robz and i don't look like partners. no townreads issued on the other folks in this game.I'm not convinced Schadd is town, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today.
I'm down to lynch any of schadd, Andrew, and Robz.
Gosh I wish I felt better about the Andrew lynch. Really think schadd or TWM is a better bet. But I hope I'm wrong.
Vote Count 3.3
AndrewisFTTW (3+1): Witherweaver, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, Eevee
Not Voting (3+1): IDontPlayThisGame, Robz888, schadd, AndrewisFTTW
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends Wednesday, Mar 21+8 at 11 am FT.
Therefore, I think we can assume there is no NK tonight or we found the scum team or both.
TWM I don't think your suggestion that schadd is only voting for pps because he's the only other person with a vote on him holds any water.
I am strongly reading town on mcmc practically all of D2.
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Mcmc made points about Andrew I silently concurred with. So, in some sense I am sheeeping him. That Andrew supposedly reads scum in mcmc to the point of voting him means that Andrew must be better at sensing the scum in the best scum performance ever and my ego will not support that so it requires me to categorize him as strictly scum.
Congratulations, scum. I'll have to figure out where they are but nice job getting a mislynch when one of your own [andrew] was on the block. Considering the hour it's like they got back to back nights.
Robz and mcmc looks scummiest to me atm but a reread is definitely in order.
Okay, I feel I understood the meaning of maybe 10% of what's been posted previously here, and even that 10% is somewhat confusing because it's Ash's semi-claim, which is a very interesting but also difficult piece to the puzzle. Glad we have one on the board already, I feel it's a much better start than pure RVS with no substance that can stall for days in worst cases.i mean. i don't think i fully registered this at the time, but this is just overt town PR hunting. if ash was UB and wanted to claim UB, he would have claimed UB. eevee also suggests that idptg should have counterclaimed, which would have been really bad. and in talking about it to this extent, he more or less softclaimed not-UB, which is why you don't do that.
It's so fun to be playing with ash again!
As for the claim, I don't know, my natural first reaction is to buy it until evidence to the contrary surfaces, but also be on the lookout for such evidence. There is always just one UB, so if ash is scum, he is basically saying he is willing to trade 1:1 with the backup (at best), which just seems like a terrible deal for scum. UB is definitely a strong role, but it won't have any utility until someone with a PR goes down (knock on wood), and even after he could inherit something completely useless (if the role was 1-shot and the shot is already used up), so it's not like game-changingly strong, or even close to that.
It seems a little suicidal for ash to do this as town but not the UB, as I would assume most people as the real UB would simply counterclaim ash immediately, putting town in a horrible situation for no gain whatsoever (as far as I can tell, anyways). I got to believe ash would realize this, and probably wouldn't want to proceed with such a plan.
So, as I don't think ash would do this as town if he wasn't the UB, I think if there is another UB out there, they should claim because ash is then likely just scum with a crazy vision, which would seem extremely far-fetched, but ash if anyone is willing to go down for his team if he feels its the best course of action.
But, probably, ash is just the UB, and wanted to get us going with a claim. Which seems fine to me, having a IC is pretty fun, and this comes with potential additional powers if they make it to later in the game.
eevee would later call this an RVS vote, though that's a bit ambiguous. and late for an RVS vote.Vote: EeveeThis is a great idea.
Maybe if I start voting for people, it'll start a wagon.
Vote: Joseph
Vote: Joseph
Reread him, I could definitely see a scum narrative in his voting history (first voted for ashersky, when the tide turned against lynching ash, changed his position to "town because of his antics). Nothing really struck to me as towny in his posting either, hard to put a finger on it but I don't get the impression he is trying to figure things out, more that he wants a lynch through that isn't him. This claim question strengthens that impression, I think town is more concerned with concealing their role because it's better for town regardless of your role, whereas scum might be more anxious to claim because they think it might help get them out of hot water. Basically, for town one can think "well, if I die, it might actually help us win if it happens in the right way", whereas scum MUST avoid getting lynched day 1, because if they go down their team is in very big trouble.
L-2, if I do my math right.
Yeah, it looked to me like scum explaining their way onto a mislynch.plus, have you, like, played with joseph before?
..Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
That Joseph went poof after supposedly resurrecting himself immediately after the lynch looks super duper fishy to me. I mean, when I am scum I troll the twilight for the lulz, but most do exactly what he just did.and he made the assertion without even, like, looking for himself whether joseph was an IC
but this proclaiming your excellence I think gives scum more of a mandate to make bold moves later, as you quote back to this post showing how good you are....he said, about someone other than pps, in a game with pps in it. bold moves... oh, you mean, like, quickhammering d1?
no followup on thisOk. I at least know what happened now. I see little incentive to keep posting reads and stuff here for town. I feel like any further information we have can be saved til Day2 without letting mafia benefit from it going into the night.I feel this is veryyy scummy. For town, the risk of unnecessarily giving mafia information should be far outweighed by the worry of dying in the night and never getting to say your piece, right? Like, aren't you worried that your scarce contributions might trigger a trigger-happy vig, even if you think scum would likely go for someone who has been more active?
I think the more OMGUS we give to mafia going into night the better.
It holds especially true to you, as you haven't had a chance to say anything all day! A penny for your thoughts, man. Better give them while you can, you never know. If you have insights that might be that relevant to scum, town is very interested in hearing them as well.
For the record, it probably seems I'm way more certain about mcmc than I actually am, I could see him being scum. It feels redundant to write "it's still only day 2 and any of these reads could change completely, especially with pr information", but of course things could change still.live and die by the hedge
Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts.woof.
98% on idptgbut, no. think about it. if idptg is fakeclaiming, the real one steps in (and for some reason has taken a very long time to do so, in maybe mylo) and counterclaims. either we lynch scum, or we lynch UB. oh, except UB has that one governor thing from a while ago. so that doesn't work out very well, whoops.
wtf is fmpov and whomst's'f'e
good meme
Therefore, I think we can assume there is no NK tonight or we found the scum team or both.
But what do we do with that assumption? Is it actionable?
based purely off of memory and then going back to the list of players, I am leaning toward one of the following: ww, dylan, IDontplay and schadd and maaaaybe ash?looks like this is 5 townies, which kinda stinx. but d1 reads being way wrong is also a very town-able thing
So I guess those are people I should look at more specifically
paying attention, which is neatVotes speak louder than hedges.
Agreed.
The time has come. Vote: Andrew
was that the big reveal?
how u know what that isPlus you the scummy, scum man. Scum diddity scum face. Wubba lubba dub dub!Free wine and rick and morty references? I like this guy!
I just got eevee buddied for the first time! I should get some sort of badge to commemorate!
good meme
I mean...
Anyway, I agree with you on Eevee. I really didn't like the UB/PR fishing; ash kinda claiming my role was weird enough without people telling me to claim (although most people said not to).Therefore, I think we can assume there is no NK tonight or we found the scum team or both.
But what do we do with that assumption? Is it actionable?
I think so. I'm working on it. I think the problem is that I'm focusing too much on logic and not enough on reads. People aren't always rational and acting irrationally seems valuable in this game. Even if people are being rational, it's people so opinions matter and people can disagree about the rational course of action and not be wrong.
wtf is fmpov and whomst's'f'e
Whomst is a meme btw
I really do not want to lynch anyone but Andrew today. Give the interactions and wagon from yesterday, a scum!Andrew Lynch has a lot of benefit for finding partners. The upside is big if I'm right.
Main thing I don't like from the above^. Is it just coincidence that the person that schadd ends up voting here is the other person with a vote on them?pps was my strongest townread. you can read the thing. what do you expect me to say? "i decided to post the pps one first because i desperately want to lynch someone other than my partner, andrew, and so i decided to only post the case on the guy that my dear partner, andrew, was voting"
schadd you said you had reads on everyone else, but why is the only one you have posted (and voted, obviously) on pps the one other guy with a vote on him?
I'mma gonna go ahead and request some prods:
Please prod Robz. Please prod Eevee. Please prod PPS. Please prod WW. Please prod Andrew
To be fair each of these players have posted within the last 48 hours. And I have certainly gone longer without posting, but we are at a point where not posting for 24 just isn't a good idea.
Only schadd, myself and IDPTG have posted in the last 24 hours.
I really hope this works out.
vote: Andrew
pps was my strongest townread.probably apparent, but *scumread
I feel certain schadd was scum trying to figure out how to save his partner, Andrew. He wanted to uglify PPS and Eevee by appealing to WW and TWM.so you do think eevee and twm are town today, great. glad somebody finally managed to fucking fish that out of you
If Andrew somehow flips town I'm basically wrong about everything, though.
i would like to know specifically what ww would he would infer from a scumflip from andrew, if for no other reason than he's probably getting nightkilled.i would have liked him to be able to answer this today
i mean if virgin works out then it's not like we're in bad shape
yes thank you cool
Need to reread. Preliminary suspicion is {Eevee, Robz, Schadd}. Not really writing off anyone though.
TTTT = Rolecop, 1-shot Ninja, Goon
TTT = Rolecop, 1-shot Ninja, Goon; Hidden Ascetic***
I should be considered confirmed town.To me, at least to the extent that I'd be okay with losing in case you somehow were scum at this point.
didn't you, like, drunkly say that wifom is his thingoo, pagetop. this was in response to
With an even number of players, I think we want to lynch scum today (I would say Robz or schadd, PPS and TWM both seem towny to me), and then no lynch at 4 to get to a three person lylo (no downside to no lynching at that point).
Not sure whom I prefer between Robz and schadd (both scum, could it be?), the wifom argument Robz is making is somewhat convincing to me, but Robz has been fooling people with those for so long.
didn't you, like, drunkly say that wifom is his thingYeah, it totally is.
ww, who would you want me to vote?
I mean that that argument would be much stronger coming from anyone but robz, who has done things like super lurk and succesfully convince people he couldnt be scum because he would pay more attention if he was scum, as scum.my thinking isn't as much that he wouldn't do it, but that he wouldn't do it given recent success that he's had
i'm really not in the mood for this at this point in the gameww, who would you want me to vote?Your partner!
howdy you fine folks
I should be considered confirmed town.To me, at least to the extent that I'd be okay with losing in case you somehow were scum at this point.
howdy you fine folks
You wanna go ahead and tell us your plan for how to smokescreen the fact that you are on everyone's list as likely scum?
why would i want to smokescreen that?howdy you fine folks
You wanna go ahead and tell us your plan for how to smokescreen the fact that you are on everyone's list as likely scum?
Votes speaker louder than words. I could see scum being in panic mode almost. Feels we have a pretty good chance of PoE'ing right today at least.howdy you fine folks
You wanna go ahead and tell us your plan for how to smokescreen the fact that you are on everyone's list as likely scum?
I'll be honest here, I too am leaning toward schadd. But, I am just a little bit wary about this. Maybe the plan is for shadd's partner to do heavy bussing right out of the gate to try and salvage the game, but otherwise who is schadd's partner if everyone is willing to bus him?
can pps, robz, eevee vote me? would like to hammertest ww & twm
A) I'm not casting a vote until I reread Eevee, schadd, then Robz.
B) I'm not very inclined to do anything my top scum read suggests, today. My read may change but it seems highly unlikely.
can pps, robz, eevee vote me? would like to hammertest ww & twmI'm confused.
I'm a bad dirty townie please vote for me
oh, howdy. you prefer town, right? why's thati like the aspect of trying to work out if people are lying or telling the truth more than i like trying to lie myself.
What I don't get is schadd's apparently huge townread on me. I mean, I do think I look townie. But I wouldn't put myself up on the same pedestal as WW. Seems like a weird thing to do both ways from schadd's point of view.
If he is town he should at least be considering me as mafia, right? If he is mafia, what value does he get out of eliminating me from his mislynch pool?
To me it's three pretty clear tiers
WW looks extremely townie, would be very surprised if he was scum (MVP chants)
PPS and TMW look solidly townie, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world if one of them was scum
Robz/schaddd look quite scummy, would be super shocked if there wasn't at least one scum, and both being scum would totally make sense too.
This latest from schadd looks somewhat towny to me, but I would expect both robz (who even said it earlier) and schadd as scum to expect being in trouble about their stance on Andrew, so possibly there were schemes planned in the night to distract from that.
also if you're town, try to emotionally manipulate me into townreading you, but if you're scum, don'ti'm town i'm town! i feel i've managed to actually be helpful this game (i've had some pretty bad games recently), and i'm now hoping that will make you realize i'm town (if you are too).
not enough exclamation pointsalso if you're town, try to emotionally manipulate me into townreading you, but if you're scum, don'ti'm town i'm town! i feel i've managed to actually be helpful this game (i've had some pretty bad games recently), and i'm now hoping that will make you realize i'm town (if you are too).
this is good. pls to do more of them. i will look at / respond to this later (for now i must smash bros)intended to do an empty quote of 1389 but it was just like "nah"
Vote: Schadd
I guess we lose if it's TWM/Eevee. or TWM/PPS. But it feels like we're lynching me or schadd today, so.
At this point I would rather vote for schadd than Robz.
I encourage all rereading! The summaries are great for collectively analyzing things.At this point I would rather vote for schadd than Robz.
But I still want to reread you. And I don't think anyone has taken a comprehensive look at Andrew's full posts. And probably should reread PPS and WW just to be safe.
PPS and TWM, which do you both prefer?
I think i'm pretty ready to vote for schadd. Both look very much like resigned scum (I agree with your analysis), but my gut feels stronger about schadd, going back to yesterday.
So yeah, I get a bit of a less scum read on Robz and more of a scumread on schadd. Or rather if schadd is scum partners with Andrew, then I am less confident about Robz. I could still see an Andrew-Robz pairing but would be slightly less suspicious of schadd.
"I would never give up like this if I was scum, I must be town!"PPS and TWM, which do you both prefer?
I think i'm pretty ready to vote for schadd. Both look very much like resigned scum (I agree with your analysis), but my gut feels stronger about schadd, going back to yesterday.
Can you even imagine me playing resigned scum? Why would I be resigned? I'd be resigned if I was scum and you'd lynched Andrew on Day 1. As it is, scum could definitely still win this game. Indeed, I think scum has at least at least likely a 30% chance of winning this game, and possibly better odds.
"I would never give up like this if I was scum, I must be town!"PPS and TWM, which do you both prefer?
I think i'm pretty ready to vote for schadd. Both look very much like resigned scum (I agree with your analysis), but my gut feels stronger about schadd, going back to yesterday.
Can you even imagine me playing resigned scum? Why would I be resigned? I'd be resigned if I was scum and you'd lynched Andrew on Day 1. As it is, scum could definitely still win this game. Indeed, I think scum has at least at least likely a 30% chance of winning this game, and possibly better odds.
Robz, who are you thinking is the scum?
PPS sounded like he was saying a mislynch would be okay.
I'm fine with lynching schadd now and getting another night flip but only once I know there's not some terribad potential scum role that could ruin us in one more night. I feel like schadd is the goon or weaker role remaining in the scum team.
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck i just wiped down my wireless keyboard in another room and lost a massive postman, that sucks. feel you
-When eevee starts townreading mcmc shortly thereafter schadd wants to lynch him.i started to want to lynch eevee at: 125 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg681181#msg681181), 129-30 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg681190#msg681190)
-He accurately reads me which many don't do. My playstyle is is purposely designed for scum to misconstrue it so no spidey tingles here.i had also townread you at that point (◕ᴗ◕✿)
I am also certain on mcmc although i haven't tipped my hand yet. the thing about certainty is only scum can afford it.uh.
-right around here schadd defends Robz in a very partnery way.defending is an odd word, considering robz hadn't received much (any?) suspicion at that point. can you elaborate on how it's partnery?
-Dylan goes down in favor of known scum andrew who only me and eevee are left voting. In my opinion this is the crowning moment for eevee. He's town right here. The rest of the people alive today are on the wagoin which is a bitch for us to work out. I will have to reread the whol thing that happened while I was sleep where scum clearly derailed the andrew wagon and convinced some fools to get on dylan.if you look back at it, you'll find that your lord and savior, mcmc, whom you were able to use to coast to a correct read on andrew, drove the wagon pretty hard (and i think you noticed this because of 1051 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg684349#msg684349))
Vote: Schadd
I guess we lose if it's TWM/Eevee. or TWM/PPS. But it feels like we're lynching me or schadd today, so.
People who voted for Robz: Um. Has Robz not received a single vote all game? yeah, not a single vote all game. I wonder if that has ever happened before to make it to Day3 and not have a vote without being night killed or an IC or something (I don't know maybe it has and I am making a bigger deal out of this. But vote: Robz just to ruin the record.that i can remember, gkrieg only got voted once in M86 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg645208#msg645208). i hesitate to say that the comparison is meaningful since we have had rather interesting wagons every day this game and robz hasn't been very active (though this may be meaningful in and of itself)
Ends up voting for no one. Hm.it's these sorts of strings of 7 words that make me townread you. (become pocketed please (◕ᴗ◕✿))
First thing is lots of posts. This should be fun. Although it is actually pretty easy to read given how short his posts are.that's generally what i shoot for
I remember not loving his vote on Joseph (well frankly everyone's) but in his case I am now seeing that previously schadd gave a null read on Joseph and that he wanted to go check Joseph's scum games.yeah, i didn't get around to doing that iirc. i tend to think that looking back at games one wasn't in doesn't give as good of a sense of the person as the things you remember to be salient from being in the game (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Interactive_Tells#Tangent:_Meta) (for example: i made a case on lalight in M92 that was based on something i kinda remembered from M86, and used games i wasn't in/details i didn't really consider very important at the time to make an overexplained case on a townguy, and kinda stopped doing that when that was over. i did end up doing the same thing on robz and ended up being right but i actually just thought faust was softing a guilty on him & made a case to lampshade). and i especially think that now (for my case on andrew which i didn't get around to writing up i had looked at some of his older games, and noted, back two years ago, that as scum he tended to be less invested and more on the edge of conversation. l0l). i did intend to do it at some point with him, but i also didn't especially feel like it and instead cast a shitty pressure vote (which i probably would not have done if i had known the wagon would uh end prematurely)
says the scum team is bad. Self referencing?nop! the one time i played scum (in a normal) we picked off a PR each night (◕ᴗ◕✿)(◕ᴗ◕✿)(◕ᴗ◕✿)(◕ᴗ◕✿)(◕ᴗ◕✿)
There is a fair amount of hedgy content about Andrew. Playing a good middle ground there.at the time i had andrew as town and wasn't thinking about him as much as i should have (hinsight ♫), and only a few mechanical things were bugging me (hadn't claimed, arguing with townies, bussing stuff). i can see where hedgy comes from
Promotes the Dylan wagon (can't remember who he was voting prior to this. Eevee maybe? And then joins at L-1, but basically admits that he doesn't have a reason to do so or not do so. This looks opportunistic.
Starts out comparing Andrew vs mcmc to ash vs mcmc as town vs town.yeah that also sucks in H ♫ I ♫ N ♫ D ♫ S ♫ I ♫ G ♫ H ♫ T. it wasn't that it seemed tvt to me, rather i thought andrew was town and was unsure whether mcmc's read of him was accurate
Then, like I noted before schadd says he is going to go over each person over the weekend. In the meantime, Andrew is at L-1 or L-2. schadd's first big "reread" is coincidently on PPS, who he votes putting him at 2 votes with Andrew. I know that schadd responded to this already, but I do see a narrative of schadd feeling like he had to get something going on PPS to stop the momentum on Andrew.it's obviously a big question of wifom but at present (and kind of at the time) i don't think there was really any way andrew didn't get lynched, esp. given that ww was locked onto him. there was the question of whether i bother putting my thoughts out there but that's not really a question one should ask themself if you have the time.
everyone and their pet lizard want to vote schadd.(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/useravs/avatar_2999_1427549835.png)
this is, like, actually bullshit. if you actually thought i was flipping scum, you would think that my flip would confirm ww townRobz, who are you thinking is the scum?
Schadd for sure. Beyond that, I'm not sure I should say, unless you really think I should. I don't want to help scum pick night kills.
I am curious if anyone can spell out what potential scum roles could exist in the game at this point with the known info (not treating WWs claim as a known).
TTT = Rolecop, 1-shot Ninja, Goon; Hidden Ascetic***TTT is where ww is lying, TT is where he isn't
TT = Rolecop, 2-shot Ninja, Strongman
I'd lean strong on Robz but still have to reread TWM and WW before I'm voting anyone at all.i appreciate that you're not even trying to figure me out at all (◕ᴗ◕✿) even though The Man Himself townread me harder than your pet squirrel
schadd and I have been way more buddy buddy than eevee and I.
PPS's big post of me was so spot on, it feels feels towny to me because i don't think scumPPS would want to go out of his way to make people less likely to lynch me. i'm going to be scared of playing scum against pps in the future.he does have the motive to pocket you. what you're thinking is essentially what i thought with gkrieg in M86 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16147.msg644942#msg644942) (even though he wasn't actually trying to pocket me l0l)- note that if pps is scum, then he doesn't have any need to lynch you in particular at all
yeah, and (at least) two scum did that, no matter who you think the team is*didn't do that
should i just acquiesce to pps wanting nothing more than to lynch me?it is commendable you fight, whatever your alignment.
i mean you shouldn't think anything, but i would expect robz.and i do think he's scum as well, and i don't expect we lynch anyone other than him if not me
arigatoshould i just acquiesce to pps wanting nothing more than to lynch me?it is commendable you fight, whatever your alignment.
so. like. robz/twm?
he is also very consistent in his resolve to lynch me, so perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from.Basically, this is why i want to lynch schadd.
i've been wrong on a significant chunk of my reads this game and should probably, like, deserve to lose, and there's nothing else really that i can do (i haven't done any forum-survivor type stuff & can't really talk myself out of a mislynch if it's day 1 and nothing interesting has happened yet, let alone if i was wrong about the three folks that got lynched). note that if i am town & pps is scum, the townpoints pps earned are enough to win him the game, and at the point where pps started being consistent on an andrew lynch, the dylan lynch had already made itself possible (mcmc preferred it at the time, 802 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg683846#msg683846) vs. 815 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg683883#msg683883)) and between andrew and robz (or whomstever), someone could have pushed the lynch a lot more (though fortunately for them they didn't end up needing to)
he is also very consistent in his resolve to lynch me, so perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from.Basically, this is why i want to lynch schadd.
i've been wrong on a significant chunk of my reads this game and should probably, like, deserve to lose, and there's nothing else really that i can do (i haven't done any forum-survivor type stuff & can't really talk myself out of a mislynch if it's day 1 and nothing interesting has happened yet, let alone if i was wrong about the three folks that got lynched). note that if i am town & pps is scum, the townpoints pps earned are enough to win him the game, and at the point where pps started being consistent on an andrew lynch, the dylan lynch had already made itself possible (mcmc preferred it at the time, 802 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg683846#msg683846) vs. 815 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17007.msg683883#msg683883)) and between andrew and robz (or whomstever), someone could have pushed the lynch a lot more (though fortunately for them they didn't end up needing to)
or robz who made a similar post. gahhh. i just feel the "if i were you guys i'd lynch me too, i probably deserve to lose" is so so often from scum that doesn't have any other argument because they've been caught. i feel schadd is winning pps over by sheer volume and effort (understandable, given how underwhelming robz has been, but we should go for the guy who has the highest chance of being scum no matter what)
I think schadd's level of effort here is scum indicative, whereas mine is town indicative. That's probably the best case I can make at this point.if checking out in mylo is town indicative for you remind me to policy lynch next game
So much scum resignation. I'm really surprised you guys aren't editing it out.yeah daddy don't stop
schadd's frustration looks somewhat calculated, because it's only directed at PPS (even though here for example i just voted for him)
Nothing he says will change my mind.that's been most of both of d3 & d4 for pretty much all of us tbh
I do have a hard time seeing Robz and schadd being mafia together
Schadd doesn't strike me as the type to troll twilight...
Schadd doesn't strike me as the type to troll twilight...i think i know someone whomst is
I do have a hard time seeing Robz and schadd being mafia together
Wow, really? I think I made several ties in my last reread post.
BTW, if you are scum, TWM, very well played.
Side note: Worth noting that if schadd/Robz are mafia then all three mafia were once again on wagon. This is interesting as I remember Robz specifically saying to look only on wagon Day 3. With mcmc dying off, this would mean that there would be three mafia and two town (WW and myself) compared to three town off wagon. So if this is the case Robz as mafia was being a bit dangerous there to suggest that, and to then not do anything to move the lynch toward me or WW. So I am feeling a bit less confident about the Andrew/schadd/Robz mafia team after this. Hmmm.
That TWM ahmmered without having spent enough time to read my post is very troubling, indeed.
I probably should have withheld my vote for a while but for come reason forgot we were L-2. Also, convictions!
Also, if neither Robz or Schadd is scum then I feel dumb as hell.
That TWM ahmmered without having spent enough time to read my post is very troubling, indeed.
I probably should have withheld my vote for a while but for come reason forgot we were L-2. Also, convictions!
One can read and come to different conclusions.
There was a hammer?
GAME OVER
The_Wine_Merchant, who was 1, the Mafia Strongman and Eevee, who was 3, the Mafia 2-shot Ninja won!
so our scum team is probably bad
i think that all three of you are good at lookin town, eevee i knew this about, you i also knew this about but it didn't look like you were trying to do it this game (and you did play really well), andrew i didn't know this aboutso our scum team is probably bad
Probably.
Also, if neither Robz or Schadd is scum then I feel dumb as hell.
Guys deadline is in 2 hours and 43 min! I am in bed and will put my vote on andrew or dylan. I would still rather dylan over andrew. I will go back to dylan if others will.
I guess I could go Dylan?
Vote: Dylan
-andrew tries to delfecta nd say he is wary of scahdd and Robz. just wow. Note to scum when you are this done you don't do this at all. You go totally after the towniest guy alive and kamikaze away from your partners.
-andrew dumbly agrees with scahdd about Robz, holy ghost! Andrew just shat the scum bed.
robz can you give a shit about your town game please (◕ᴗ◕✿)i think that all three of you are good at lookin town, eevee i knew this about, you i also knew this about but it didn't look like you were trying to do it this game (and you did play really well), andrew i didn't know this aboutso our scum team is probably bad
Probably.
!!!!!how u know what that isPlus you the scummy, scum man. Scum diddity scum face. Wubba lubba dub dub!Free wine and rick and morty references? I like this guy!
I just got eevee buddied for the first time! I should get some sort of badge to commemorate!
Schadd, please make a case for a scum team that does not include yourself, myself, or eevee.thanx for giving me an out babe
Schadd, please make a case for a scum team that does not include yourself, myself, or eevee.thanx for giving me an out babe
the other thing i can rationalize this with is that this played out as 3v9 with 2 named townies
I'm not sure if I've ever made it to the end with this little suspicion on me. Wanted to end the game before WW came strong with another idea.
i mean you can do that with any postI don't think it's the same, there is much more forethought with certain posts, hence much more information in them. Certainly you don't think a big reread-reads post holds the same amount of information value (for others to analyze) as say a random RVS one liner?
i don't see reason to believe either has a larger inherent information value, noi do earnestly believe this, which should be clear from how this played out. once the game gets too much into politics, falling back on other people's reads, and stacking walls of rereads against each other, my reads start to suck.
i wish i had seen this to remind myself how good of a scum player you areSeems Donald X. caved to popular demand:
http://riograndegames.com/Game/1312-Dominion-Intrigue-3rd-edition
Thank goodness they found new artwork. The old Scout art was the worst part of the card. Wonder if RR will change his avatar to this or keep the old one?
oh unrelated but can you post one time outside of forum games?i like the suspense.
gg wp scumi dunno how to improve as town other than play a bunch and really pay attention/remember what towns/scums are more likely to do (and knowing people individually is really helpful, but recall i was able to be briefly right about robz for reasons largely unrelated to robz himself). it's also helpful to play scum at least once. so uh try to do that
Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.
:((((((((((oh unrelated but can you post one time outside of forum games?i like the suspense.
I always get nervous about pushing a lynch on hunches and being wrong, so I let myself get talked out of a lynch, and it always seems to end up onto a mislynch and off of scum. I didn't want to lynch either Joseph or Dylan but ended up on both.
gg wp scum
Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.
gg wp scum
Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.
restless spirit ain't no negative town utility
you hammered the last town actually
you hammered the last town actually
Oh, right. He enabled it though.
Also I have to look at this again but I'm pretty sure this setup is really bad for town. It is almost never solvable unless you lynch the key scum role, the switch is super super powerful, and at least recently we have had roles like restless spirit(negative town utility), bodyguard(very niche), and governor(very niche). Though it is true we have just gotten unlucky with our universal backup in this setup recently.
I might end up changing the Mafia Strongman because it's really quite annoying to not have the protective roles take effect. Actually a 1-shot Strongman should suffice.
i think it would have been better to use it n2, though it's kind of silly that switching protective roles and using strongman isn't very redundant (but that's mostly because bodyguard isn't very uh good a lot of the time)The categories could probably have better names.
celibate roles?i think it would have been better to use it n2, though it's kind of silly that switching protective roles and using strongman isn't very redundant (but that's mostly because bodyguard isn't very uh good a lot of the time)The categories could probably have better names.
Damn, wagon analysis reveals Robz to be early on all mislynches and absent on the correct lynch. Too scummy to be scum...and it sucks because predicting lynches and soaking up towncred are two of scumrobz's biggest skills
Damn, wagon analysis reveals Robz to be early on all mislynches and absent on the correct lynch. Too scummy to be scum...and it sucks because predicting lynches and soaking up towncred are two of scumrobz's biggest skills
Damn, wagon analysis reveals Robz to be early on all mislynches and absent on the correct lynch. Too scummy to be scum...and it sucks because predicting lynches and soaking up towncred are two of scumrobz's biggest skills
Maybe by being wrong about everything and appearing to not care I was trying to signal to you that I was town, so you wouldn't mislynch me. And it worked! I'm the true MVP, obviously.
Damn, wagon analysis reveals Robz to be early on all mislynches and absent on the correct lynch. Too scummy to be scum...and it sucks because predicting lynches and soaking up towncred are two of scumrobz's biggest skills
Maybe by being wrong about everything and appearing to not care I was trying to signal to you that I was town, so you wouldn't mislynch me. And it worked! I'm the true MVP, obviously.