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[Insomniac]

Quite frankly this is ridiculous.

Town was RIDICULOUSLY overpowered, only miss lynched once, AND we still lost? There is no way in hell this game should count for stats.

This and Blitz2!

RE Blitz2, maybe don't bus your partner so hard day 1

[Insomniac]

Quite frankly this is ridiculous.

Town was RIDICULOUSLY overpowered, only miss lynched once, AND we still lost? There is no way in hell this game should count for stats.

This and Blitz2!

RE Blitz2, maybe don't bus your partner so hard day 1

Oh and shoot obvcops

[Robz888]

Quite frankly this is ridiculous.

Town was RIDICULOUSLY overpowered, only miss lynched once, AND we still lost? There is no way in hell this game should count for stats.

This and Blitz2!

RE Blitz2, maybe don't bus your partner so hard day 1

Oh and shoot obvcops

I was committed to the random voting! Committed, I say!

[eHalcyon]

So does anybody know what Moonsickness is?  Eevee?

[Archetype]

So does anybody know what Moonsickness is?  Eevee?

In the Mod QT it talked about it. Something about making moonsicked players PGOs...?

[Dsell]

So does anybody know what Moonsickness is?  Eevee?

It's in the modchat QT. Anybody with moonsickness goes into a frenzy the night after the moon dies and kills their targets rather than performing their normal night action.

[Axxle]

Town had some powers that they squandered though, vig wasted his shot on town, strong MA killed by town night 1, day vig shoots a bulletproof player, not really near perfect play, good play, but not near perfect.

[Axxle]

MA outing himself day 1 for a 1 of 3 scum wasn't great play either.

[Robz888]

Town had some powers that they squandered though, vig wasted his shot on town, strong MA killed by town night 1, day vig shoots a bulletproof player, not really near perfect play, good play, but not near perfect.

But the town should not need powers to compensate for bad lynches if the lynches themselves were pretty good, as they were here.

[Jimmmmm]

A thought I had: imagine if WWs/SK had've hit Town N1 as well: 4/3/3/1, nearly twice as many scum as Town.

[ashersky]

Town had some powers that they squandered though, vig wasted his shot on town, strong MA killed by town night 1, day vig shoots a bulletproof player, not really near perfect play, good play, but not near perfect.

But the town should not need powers to compensate for bad lynches if the lynches themselves were pretty good, as they were here.

Good lynches, plus a roleblocker who blocked kills two nights in a row.  I see town's point.  But hey, I won, so who cares? 

Seriously though, balance is hard when it's all up to chance.  Chips fell where they would.  Some "unlucky" (I won't say bad) town calls on D1 and N1 really shot town in the foot, though.  Robz's failed vig and Galz's shot on town/MA were two big ones.

I do wonder if Galz is right that he'd be the D2 lynch for sure if he kills scum!Eevee.  I'm not sure of that.  The man is wily.

Also, LOL @galz pointing out how scummy I seem at mylo/lylo no matter what I do in the speccy.

[ashersky]

A thought I had: imagine if WWs/SK had've hit Town N1 as well: 4/3/3/1, nearly twice as many scum as Town.

Imagine mafia shot Lekkit on N1.  WW down to two, Eevee dead on D2, plus we lose our vig.  Then we'd be looking really underpowered.

Balance is an issue, but who does what with the powers out there matter, too.

[Jimmmmm]

A thought I had: imagine if WWs/SK had've hit Town N1 as well: 4/3/3/1, nearly twice as many scum as Town.

Imagine mafia shot Lekkit on N1.  WW down to two, Eevee dead on D2, plus we lose our vig.  Then we'd be looking really underpowered.

Balance is an issue, but who does what with the powers out there matter, too.

I was thinking from a Town perspective. Town has no control over scum kills, and could have been at that point after just one mislynch.

[Robz888]

Town actually got lucky that more nightkills didn't go against them, and our lynches were pretty good. And we roleblocked some scum kills! .... and had no chance in the end game.

[Archetype]

Town actually got lucky that more nightkills didn't go against them, and our lynches were pretty good. And we roleblocked some scum kills! .... and had no chance in the end game.

I think we may have had a chance if I hadn't been Dayvigged by Lekkit. That was excellent play on his part and really sealed the deal for his team.

[Insomniac]

MA outing himself day 1 for a 1 of 3 scum wasn't great play either.

I think my play was fine. AND yuma doctored me.

[Insomniac]

And regardless are you actually saying that this game was balanced.

[Axxle]

I think the game was swingy but balanced for what it was.

[Robz888]

I think the game was swingy but balanced for what it was.

I disagree vehemently. I think the town loses here maybe 9 times out of 10.

[Dsell]

I think the game was swingy but balanced for what it was.

I disagree vehemently. I think the town loses here maybe 9 times out of 10.

From your point of view, is the problem the deck, and that any randomly chosen setup (based on drawing from the deck and then assigning 2 MA) will be unbalanced in favor of scum? Or was this setup just randomly more difficult for town than average? Because cayvie just drew from the deck and then assigned MA. (Based on what roles had already been drawn, I believe she picked the correct factions for MA.)

[Robz888]

I think the game was swingy but balanced for what it was.

I disagree vehemently. I think the town loses here maybe 9 times out of 10.

From your point of view, is the problem the deck, and that any randomly chosen setup (based on drawing from the deck and then assigning 2 MA) will be unbalanced in favor of scum? Or was this setup just randomly more difficult for town than average? Because cayvie just drew from the deck and then assigned MA. (Based on what roles had already been drawn, I believe she picked the correct factions for MA.)

The problem is very clear: the ratio of scum to town is way, way, way off. There are 7 scum in 16 players. For reference, M-XI had 7 scum in 26 players.

Then, add in the fact that several of the town were super powered and several of the scum were super powered.

So the outcome was always going to be swingy--because of the powers--but the baseline game was hugely imbalanced to begin with.

[Insomniac]

7 scum in 16 players is just far too much regardless of the powers.

[Lekkit]

Wiie!

Also, ashersky, I think I need to explain myself to you. I didn't really think I could've avoided a lynch. And that's why I outed myself as well as "framing" you. By doing so I basically told Axxle not to kill you. I don't think he would've done that either way, since he needed another WW to be able to win. And 3+3+1 scum can't really be true, right? Especially if you no-killed. I thought Axxle had to kill to be able to win, since there was a possibility he was the last scum. If you no-killed (which you realised you had to do) it would basically be pretty much confirmed scum or possibly scum to lynch the next day. At that point lynching you would be pretty stupid. But you would most likely survive the night.

[Lekkit]

And while I agree the game wasn't really balanced, I really enjoyed it.

[ashersky]

Wiie!

Also, ashersky, I think I need to explain myself to you. I didn't really think I could've avoided a lynch. And that's why I outed myself as well as "framing" you. By doing so I basically told Axxle not to kill you. I don't think he would've done that either way, since he needed another WW to be able to win. And 3+3+1 scum can't really be true, right? Especially if you no-killed. I thought Axxle had to kill to be able to win, since there was a possibility he was the last scum. If you no-killed (which you realised you had to do) it would basically be pretty much confirmed scum or possibly scum to lynch the next day. At that point lynching you would be pretty stupid. But you would most likely survive the night.

Sorry I blew up at you.  In the end it worked out anyway.  I see your point there, on keeping Axxle from killing me.  I can't see how he would, since he needed an alternate lynch, though.