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[Roadrunner7671]

I want them to claim at the same time. How was that not clear?

[Haddock]

I want them to claim at the same time. How was that not clear?

OK fine.

Well you fudged a bit with regards to wanting XYX instead.  I didn't want to put words in your mouth, is all.

[Roadrunner7671]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

[Witherweaver]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

My heart breaks for you.

[Roadrunner7671]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

My heart breaks for you.

Why, because I accidentally added the word 'do' so now my sentence looks stupid?

[Witherweaver]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

My heart breaks for you.

Why, because I accidentally added the word 'do' so now my sentence looks stupid?

No, because you can't always get what you want.  But, if you try some times, you might just find, you get what you need.

[Roadrunner7671]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

My heart breaks for you.

Why, because I accidentally added the word 'do' so now my sentence looks stupid?

No, because you can't always get what you want.  But, if you try some times, you might just find, you get what you need.

How philosophical.

I have a proposal: Faust claims first, then you have to claim (or get lynched).

[yuma]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

My heart breaks for you.

Why, because I accidentally added the word 'do' so now my sentence looks stupid?

No, because you can't always get what you want.  But, if you try some times, you might just find, you get what you need.

How philosophical.

I have a proposal: Faust claims first, then you have to claim (or get lynched).

I think this is what I have been saying. With the caveat that WW only claims if faust actually presents something that justifies WW needing to claim. I don't know what faust is going to state so I can't make a judgement on that yet.

But if faust does have something that requires WW to claim, or strongly implicates WW as scum, and WW refuses... then sure that would be a good moment to lynch him...

[Ampharos]

Haddock reading/vibing scummy during all this.

Carry on.

[Ampharos]

Oh, and lock me in for voting that faust should go first.  I've read enough on this topic.

[Teproc]

I just want WW to do cooperate.

My heart breaks for you.

Why, because I accidentally added the word 'do' so now my sentence looks stupid?

No, because you can't always get what you want.  But, if you try some times, you might just find, you get what you need.

vote: WW

[Teproc]

No simultaneous claim then.

So this is the way its going to go : someone is going to get to L-1 with intent to hammer and they're going to claim.

Pay attention to votes, including PPE. Always know the vote count. Never, ever vote if there's even a slight chance it might be a hammer, not before checking that it's not. If you want to hammer, state intent.

I hereby promise that if anyone hammers someone without letting them claim, I will vote for them first things first the next day (assuming I'm still there). I don't care if your Internet was bad, if you forgot how to count, or whatever.

Here's where the vote count is right now.

faust (3) : Ampharos, Witherweaver, yuma
Witherweaver (3): faust, 2.71828..., Teproc
Ampharos (2) : Hydrad, Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (3) : iguanaiguana, Haddock, EgorK

[Teproc]

Unless someone sees a better way to solve this, but it seems to me that we've tried and failed. faust can decide to claim first if he wants to avoid the risks inherent to running people to L-1, I guess.

[Haddock]

Haddock contributing to the game during all this.

Carry on.

FTFY.

Seriously though, this comment of yours is neither relevant to the ongoing discussion, nor good scumhunting.  2/10, would not read again.



Well it seems WW has not changed his position, so let's go with a faust claim.  I'd rather ask him nicely first, rather than put him to L-1.


I'd like to hear something from e, as well.

[Ampharos]

Haddock contributing to the game during all this.

Carry on.

FTFY.

Seriously though, this comment of yours is neither relevant to the ongoing discussion, nor good scumhunting.  2/10, would not read again.



Well it seems WW has not changed his position, so let's go with a faust claim.  I'd rather ask him nicely first, rather than put him to L-1.


I'd like to hear something from e, as well.

 

[Witherweaver]

I'm not going to be threatened.  You should vote for whom you feel is scummer. Hint: it's not me.

[Teproc]

I'm not going to be threatened.  You should vote for whom you feel is scummer. Hint: it's not me.

Actually you don't get to decide if you're being threatened or not, turns out that's how lynches work.

You don't want to claim, that's fine, I'm trying to give you a good reason to claim. If you decide not to claim at L-1 + intent to hammer, well then you're either scum or playing against your wincon. yuma like to rage against people who self-vote, this is the same thing.

Of course maybe the majority of town will prefer wagonning faust. So you get to wait and see that, but don't act all indignant about it. This is part of the game.

[iguanaiguana]

There is stiff competition on the scummiest scumster award.

Vote: Faust

[iguanaiguana]

If Teproc's vote count is correct, that's L-2

Request a vote count

[EgorK]

vote: WW. Seems to be L-2 as well

[yuma]

I honestly don't know how I feel about this.

Because mostly right now I don't think faust is the scummiest player out there, scummier than WW, but not scummier than quite a few other players. And if he refuses (something he hasn't done) to full claim, I am not going to lynch him over that.

Just like I am not going to lynch WW over his decision to full claim...

So my hope is that he will just claim. But I don't want to lynch him, or really even put him at a point where he could be lynched. And I find the people voting for WW suspect as well. Is this something scum does? I guess the counter argument is... is this something town does? And I think this is a town response far more and away than it is a scum response.

vote: egorK

[yuma]

but count my vote for faust if we are counting who should claim. But everyone should know that already...

[Teproc]

yuma : Do you want to end this day with this unresolved ? We've got faust claiming PR and WW semi-claiming PR... how can we lynch anyone else before we deal with this ?

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.4:

2.7 (1): Haddock
faust (3): Ampharos, iguanaiguana, WW
Ampharos (2): Hydrad, RR
EgorK (1): yuma
WW (4): faust, 2.7, Teproc, EgorK {L-2}

Not Voting (1):

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day Two ends at 3:00 a.m. on December 19.

[iguanaiguana]

I don't think I have been totally clear with my thinking here, so I want to explain my vote as best I can.

Two recent situations with Faust spring to mind to me.

The first is Harry Potter mafia, where Faust defended Roadrunner so much that he had convinced people he was scum when Roadrunner flipped scum. In that case, his claim saved him. Obviously it's a different situation here, but it at least shows me that Faust can look scummy to me and still be town. I haven't given up on that possibility.

The second was in Simply Simpler on Day 4, where Faust orchestrated a massclaim. There, he declared himself "the towniest person in the game" and made everyone else claim before him; he claimed last. By doing that, he could make sure to create a fakeclaim that would fit with everyone else's stories, and he mastercrafted this fake story about himself that seemed very realistic.

So when Faust says that from his perspective it seems better for him to claim last, it is shooting up red flags for me regarding RMM28. I already know what he can do when he gets a chance to hear everyone else's story first. At the same time, I realize that sometimes Faust looks scummy and is in fact town; I've seen that too.

So that's why most of all I want Faust to claim. But I have had doubts about him this game that go back to D1 and I am not going to take away my vote just because he has an incriminating result that he hasn't told us more about.