Town Win Condition: You win when night falls with all threats to the Earth gone and at least one player with this win condition alive.
The Town faction does not have a name. It may be referred to in many different, flavorful ways. Flips will use the green color to ensure clarity.
All players of the same faction receive the same flavor blurb at the opening of their Role Explanation Post. Town received the following:
The Earth was saved, and yet it doesn't feel safe. The aggressors were destroyed, and yet the aggression remains. This is the human condition. This is what we must fight to change. For our future, and for ourselves.
You may notice the use of kanji characters in the flavor text of this game. No need to actually read Japanese; they are meant to stand in for non-Earth languages and just to give it a bit of a sci-fi feel (a la Firefly using Chinese for cursing). You may google translate if you want to know what it being said.
You do not need to know flavor to play this game, but it will increase your enjoyment. There are multiple wikis on the Internet about this show, so at the very least, you may want to look up things about your flavor.
All that said, as with Falling Skies Mafia 1, flavor very much matters.
what other games would you describe as "extremely advanced"? just to get a point of comparison
You can /in this already?
what the heck is rmm?Role Madness Mafia. I think you just played one of those...
is voting rule six written in strikethrough because it is currently not an active rule?
if rule six is inactive, what happens at deadline?
i'm gonna read the first game then and decide what i wanna do about joining.
/tag
Can I be on the sub list if you need one at least a couple of weeks from now?
/in if it starts soonish.
It's been a while since I've played and I never played rmm before but I think I'll be fine
My vote would be to start as soon as we get the last player, but that's just me/in if it starts soonish.
It's been a while since I've played and I never played rmm before but I think I'll be fine
My plan, if there are no complaints, would be when Hunger Games gets to a decent point where a second game makes sense. What with everyone stuck in their homes, maybe folks want more mafia.
/in
oh what the heck. /hammer.
I've already said this, I'd love to start asap.
It would maybe be cool if the people in the ongoing game would express their preference about this.
oh what the heck. /hammer.
I actually think this game was already hammered
I've already said this, I'd love to start asap.
It would maybe be cool if the people in the ongoing game would express their preference about this.
I'd be fine starting during n1 of hunger games
I've already said this, I'd love to start asap.
It would maybe be cool if the people in the ongoing game would express their preference about this.
I'd be fine starting during n1 of hunger games
/in
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All players who haven't posted in awhile -- please reconfirm if you have a chance, and express any concerns with starting soon-ish (like when the ongoing game hits night).
/in
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Hi Greathallscout -- have you played forum mafia before? I ask because this is not the right game to start your career with. If you have experience here or another site, please let me know. Otherwise, I would point you to the regular game that is also open for sign ups here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20200.0
/in
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Hi Greathallscout -- have you played forum mafia before? I ask because this is not the right game to start your career with. If you have experience here or another site, please let me know. Otherwise, I would point you to the regular game that is also open for sign ups here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20200.0
I haven't played any forum mafias. However, I have read some of the previous games and followed some of them (even the RMMs). I also have played mafia over chats with friends. That being said, although I'd love to play, I know you put a lot of work into the setup and will understand if you want a more experienced forum player.
Are you learning Chinese, ashersky?
I presume he knows Japanese, from my past knowledge of ash
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Hi Greathallscout -- have you played forum mafia before? I ask because this is not the right game to start your career with. If you have experience here or another site, please let me know. Otherwise, I would point you to the regular game that is also open for sign ups here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20200.0
I haven't played any forum mafias. However, I have read some of the previous games and followed some of them (even the RMMs). I also have played mafia over chats with friends. That being said, although I'd love to play, I know you put a lot of work into the setup and will understand if you want a more experienced forum player.
Actually, something just came up for me unfortunately. I don't think I will be able to play in 2 weeks. I'm glad there is someone waiting to sub. Hope to play a different time. /out
Cool, /in
I am missing one confirmation. Game will start when I get it.
Hi.
Vote: pubby, my favourite scummy.
Hi.
Vote: pubby, my favourite scummy.
well then i gotta vote: LaLight
for serious i'm not over how well that scumteam functioned
The win condition is kind of interesting - it triggers only at the start of the night. It is sort of implied that all threats to town could be eliminated at the start of a Day, and yet there is a reason for the game to continue. This would mean some kind of alignment change or reviving mechanic.
something in my qt points out the possibility of alignment change. it's a bit vagie and ash hasn't answered my question, but it's there
it's not me who can change an alignment
something in my qt points out the possibility of alignment change. it's a bit vagie and ash hasn't answered my question, but it's there
it's not me who can change an alignment
^^same
Hi hi hi hi!
I hope that you are all doing well and surviving social distancing measures like champs!
Is there harnessed children again?
by the way I haven't played the first one, so i don't have a slightest clue what was there and how relevant it is to the game
by the way I haven't played the first one, so i don't have a slightest clue what was there and how relevant it is to the game
by the way I haven't played the first one, so i don't have a slightest clue what was there and how relevant it is to the game
So I will save you the re-read:
1) do not post in threads that you are not supposed to post in :P <- that one is a joke
2) the flavor was the key to the puzzle last time. These harnessed children that were mentioned just now were not like a text in a PM, they were only ever referenced at the beginning of new day starts in the flavor post. So when he says you can play the game without knowing the flavor... but the flavor still matters - that is what that means I am guessing.
3) The harnessed children were an "outside element" that was used to provide potential different win cons... sort of. But it was a huge part of the game. So probably something like that in this one to look for.
Hi hi hi hi!
I hope that you are all doing well and surviving social distancing measures like champs!
2 weeks now. I beat 3 games, watched 3 series, made a 2000 pieces puzzle which consists only of colours, smoked 15 packs of cigarettes and still am not allowed to drink
Hi hi hi hi!
I hope that you are all doing well and surviving social distancing measures like champs!
2 weeks now. I beat 3 games, watched 3 series, made a 2000 pieces puzzle which consists only of colours, smoked 15 packs of cigarettes and still am not allowed to drink
Holy cow, LL, that is a lot of cigarettes. What are the games you beat and the series you watched? Any worth recommending?
by the way I haven't played the first one, so i don't have a slightest clue what was there and how relevant it is to the game
So I will save you the re-read:
1) do not post in threads that you are not supposed to post in :P <- that one is a joke
2) the flavor was the key to the puzzle last time. These harnessed children that were mentioned just now were not like a text in a PM, they were only ever referenced at the beginning of new day starts in the flavor post. So when he says you can play the game without knowing the flavor... but the flavor still matters - that is what that means I am guessing.
3) The harnessed children were an "outside element" that was used to provide potential different win cons... sort of. But it was a huge part of the game. So probably something like that in this one to look for.
by the way I haven't played the first one, so i don't have a slightest clue what was there and how relevant it is to the game
So I will save you the re-read:
1) do not post in threads that you are not supposed to post in :P <- that one is a joke
2) the flavor was the key to the puzzle last time. These harnessed children that were mentioned just now were not like a text in a PM, they were only ever referenced at the beginning of new day starts in the flavor post. So when he says you can play the game without knowing the flavor... but the flavor still matters - that is what that means I am guessing.
3) The harnessed children were an "outside element" that was used to provide potential different win cons... sort of. But it was a huge part of the game. So probably something like that in this one to look for.
from what I gathered from a flavor post here, the war with Espheni (which I presume was a theme of the first game) is over and town won and now happens something completely different
who here's familiar with the source material? i hadn't heard of it before.I don't know anything about the flavor either.
man my role is so fuckin weird i feel like i'm going crazy looking at it! i'm thinking of partial claiming just so we have something to talk about, hah.
Hello all!
Probably most (all?) of you don't know me so I'll make a quick introduction:
I'm skip. I haven't been active here for a few years and even when I was, I wasn't that active. I've only played one non-BM game on this site, the only player in that game who's also in this one is mail-mi. A few others have played with me in BM games. Aside from playing, I've done a healthy amount of lurking and reading old games so I'm pretty familiar with this place's play style and such.
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
Hello all!
Probably most (all?) of you don't know me so I'll make a quick introduction:
I'm skip. I haven't been active here for a few years and even when I was, I wasn't that active. I've only played one non-BM game on this site, the only player in that game who's also in this one is mail-mi. A few others have played with me in BM games. Aside from playing, I've done a healthy amount of lurking and reading old games so I'm pretty familiar with this place's play style and such.
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
Vote: LaLight
Do you remember who you've played BMs with?Off the top of my head, e, and faust.
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
Vote: LaLight
that was.. sarcasm. and it didn't give any information. so why?
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
Vote: LaLight
that was.. sarcasm. and it didn't give any information. so why?
You lied. Why would you lie as town? Explain.
But don't expect an answer as I'm off to bed.
Having trouble giving mafia the attention it needs, but will try.
The win condition is kind of interesting - it triggers only at the start of the night. It is sort of implied that all threats to town could be eliminated at the start of a Day, and yet there is a reason for the game to continue. This would mean some kind of alignment change or reviving mechanic.The win-con in falling skies was similar. Is your inference true about that game?
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
i'm jelly. i have a bunch of powers but they've all got like a 50% chance of backfiring on me.
like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
i'm pretty sure i just shouldn't use this power. maybe ever?
so that's me, the clumsy crazy girl with a gun! watch out, i might blow my own face off.
i feel like a call of cthulhu RPG character who wandered into a mafia game lol.
Probably lets ash bring to fruition ideas that he got while the other game was going. Seeing the parts moving in a real game helps creativity.
This game is so hype, yet uh who's not participating in RVS like town would?
Vote: Swan for being scum. Not that I want to lynch you, you deserve better this time around. But I will anyway.
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
i'm jelly. i have a bunch of powers but they've all got like a 50% chance of backfiring on me.
like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
i'm pretty sure i just shouldn't use this power. maybe ever?
so that's me, the clumsy crazy girl with a gun! watch out, i might blow my own face off.
i feel like a call of cthulhu RPG character who wandered into a mafia game lol.
So essentially you are 75% to be a RMM-Neoplatian, parsed against the probability of the player being Town... vs a 25% vig, against the probability of the player being skum (all on the upside of things of course in that scenario).
i feel like a call of cthulhu RPG character who wandered into a mafia game lol.I think that calls for a sanity check!
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
Vote: LaLight
that was.. sarcasm. and it didn't give any information. so why?
You lied. Why would you lie as town? Explain.
But don't expect an answer as I'm off to bed.
I am sorry, what do you know about my role, that I don't?
Probably lets ash bring to fruition ideas that he got while the other game was going. Seeing the parts moving in a real game helps creativity.
This game is so hype, yet uh who's not participating in RVS like town would?
Vote: Swan for being scum. Not that I want to lynch you, you deserve better this time around. But I will anyway.
well it wouldn't be normal if we didn't go at early on for no reason. but I would expect you to know that I do not do RVS.
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
i'm jelly. i have a bunch of powers but they've all got like a 50% chance of backfiring on me.
like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
i'm pretty sure i just shouldn't use this power. maybe ever?
so that's me, the clumsy crazy girl with a gun! watch out, i might blow my own face off.
i feel like a call of cthulhu RPG character who wandered into a mafia game lol.
Why are we all claiming stuff again? Trying to make fakeclaims easier for scum?
why did you claim this?
So essentially you are 75% to be a RMM-Neoplatian, parsed against the probability of the player being Town... vs a 25% vig, against the probability of the player being skum (all on the upside of things of course in that scenario).
i didn't follow what you meant here. how am i like a neapolitan?
Also - do you the % chance of you blowing your face off?
This was not rhetorical. I think I know the answer but I'm not sure because it was a complicated game and skimming through it, I might have missed something.The win condition is kind of interesting - it triggers only at the start of the night. It is sort of implied that all threats to town could be eliminated at the start of a Day, and yet there is a reason for the game to continue. This would mean some kind of alignment change or reviving mechanic.The win-con in falling skies was similar. Is your inference true about that game?
I made a mental note to go check because I don't really remember, but then I didn't do the checking.This was not rhetorical. I think I know the answer but I'm not sure because it was a complicated game and skimming through it, I might have missed something.The win condition is kind of interesting - it triggers only at the start of the night. It is sort of implied that all threats to town could be eliminated at the start of a Day, and yet there is a reason for the game to continue. This would mean some kind of alignment change or reviving mechanic.The win-con in falling skies was similar. Is your inference true about that game?
Vote: WestCoastDidds
Vote: WestCoastDidds
Le sigh....
And here I thought we had turned over a new leaf
My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
Time passes.
Has a year gone by since humankind freed itself from the shackles of an alien race? Months? Time passes, but it is hard to track.
Winning the war with the Espheni was only a step, and what came after was still painful. Rebuilding, finding our way again, None of it is easy. And yet, humans are strong. People are strong. We find a way.
Defeating an evil race of aliens does not mean we defeated evil. No, everlasting peace and prosperity is not guaranteed. We do our best, but will it be enough? Even now, we face unknown fears and an impossible future. Can the good in people win out again?
—Diary Entry, a day during a cold summer, some time after the defeat of the Espheni
Day 1 begins now.
i don't follow what just happened here.I think faust might have a habit of finding Didds scummy.
vote: cayvievote: pubby
Time passes.
Has a year gone by since humankind freed itself from the shackles of an alien race? Months? Time passes, but it is hard to track.
Winning the war with the Espheni was only a step, and what came after was still painful. Rebuilding, finding our way again, None of it is easy. And yet, humans are strong. People are strong. We find a way.
Defeating an evil race of aliens does not mean we defeated evil. No, everlasting peace and prosperity is not guaranteed. We do our best, but will it be enough? Even now, we face unknown fears and an impossible future. Can the good in people win out again?
—Diary Entry, a day during a cold summer, some time after the defeat of the Espheni
Day 1 begins now.
So let's analyze the flavor a little bit. It seems like, at least flavor-wise, the aliens are gone. So probably the mafia are human?
That's pretty much all I got. I thought I could get a little more out of it. Any other thoughts?
vote: cayvievote: pubby
vote: cayvievote: pubby
This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.
MiX, for example.
Vote: Pubby
I don't think I do, really.i don't follow what just happened here.I think faust might have a habit of finding Didds scummy.
How does it compare to LaLight's softclaim?My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
vote: UncleeuropeI can get behind this
iirc he's already made 2 so far.How does it compare to LaLight's softclaim?My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
@Faust, are you on wcd for:a.
a) the softclaim
b) fluffiness of posts
c) other reason
d) don't want to say
vote: cayvievote: pubby
This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.
MiX, for example.
Vote: Pubby
Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Alright.Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
vote: cayvievote: pubby
This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.
MiX, for example.
Vote: Pubby
how can you have enough info to say pubby seems off? literally all he's said is "is there harnessed children" and an unexplained vote for me.
i guess i've never seen town!pubby, does he post a bunch when he's town? all i see so far is lurking.
also also - "one baddie that is defending a townier person"? That implies you at least think mix is skummy yeah? Does that make Skip town by the same merit?
Is the only reason you think mix is skummy so far because they are defending someone?
vote: cayvievote: pubby
vote: cayvievote: pubby
This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.
MiX, for example.
Vote: Pubby
vote: UncleeuropeI can get behind this
vote: Uncleeurope
Alright.Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.
I already revealed my role but nobody took notice.
Alright.Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.
Okay, where is Galzria??
There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.
There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.
And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.
In that situation? Generally? I don't know, probably depends on her role, but it isn't all that relevant to the discussion.There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.
And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.
Does Didds not softclaim as town?
Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.
And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.
Okay, where is Galzria??
Gone! Is he in this game? I think Galz kurking here is NAI, besides my vote's in a better place.
Why do you want him here?
cayvie tried to generate discussion with her claim, I can see that narrative. The other claims weren't that great either, but at the very least being locked into having a "boring" role reduces the amount of crazy claiming someone could do.Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
If this is your argument, what about the softclaim tells you this is more scum!Didds than town!Didds? I can't see it.
Did anyone else help town with their claim?
vote: cayvievote: pubby
No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.
MiX, for example.
Vote: Pubby
No, not really.
Vote: Uncle, who am I defending?vote: UncleeuropeI can get behind this
vote: Uncleeurope
Lol skip's town, have fun being NKd, that's an honor!Alright.Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.
This except with much less doubt over it's truthfulness than either of you.I already revealed my role but nobody took notice.
I saw it, there's just no reason to point it out.
Also last time you claimed like that you were scum doing some insane fakeclaim.
And under the new leaf was....another old leaf!!! It's a great mystery pile of leaves!Vote: WestCoastDidds
Le sigh....
And here I thought we had turned over a new leaf
describe a softclaim you would not like. And one you would only kinda like.My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
Townpoints for skip as that's exactly what I thought.
I know, right?How does it compare to LaLight's softclaim?My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”Are you saying that your only 2 options for how to play this game are to not claim anything at all about your role and make exclusively fluffy posts, or to claim things about your role?
One that doesn't commit to having a complicated role.describe a softclaim you would not like. And one you would only kinda like.My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”Are you saying that your only 2 options for how to play this game are to not claim anything at all about your role and make exclusively fluffy posts, or to claim things about your role?
Is this sarcastic? If not, explain please.No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
One that doesn't commit to having a complicated role.describe a softclaim you would not like. And one you would only kinda like.My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
But what does this have to do with "winning with faust"?There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”Are you saying that your only 2 options for how to play this game are to not claim anything at all about your role and make exclusively fluffy posts, or to claim things about your role?
No, those were the choices you listed in your multiple choice question to faust
One that doesn't commit to having a complicated role.describe a softclaim you would not like. And one you would only kinda like.My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
Classic false dichotomy. My Quant.Reasoning students would love it.Are you saying that your only 2 options for how to play this game are to not claim anything at all about your role and make exclusively fluffy posts, or to claim things about your role?
No, those were the choices you listed in your multiple choice question to faust
I need to figure out why people are voting since we have some serious votes now.which ones do you think brought us into "SVS" (serious voting stage)?
Sorry, slow start for me getting into this game with the weekend then just a case of the Mondays
But what does this have to do with "winning with faust"?There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”Are you saying that your only 2 options for how to play this game are to not claim anything at all about your role and make exclusively fluffy posts, or to claim things about your role?
No, those were the choices you listed in your multiple choice question to faust
very defensive and doesn't feel like usual townie mctownerson
But what does this have to do with "winning with faust"?There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not. He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”Are you saying that your only 2 options for how to play this game are to not claim anything at all about your role and make exclusively fluffy posts, or to claim things about your role?
No, those were the choices you listed in your multiple choice question to faust
You seem to be saying that If I wanted to engage in the conversation about roles, there wasn’t any way that I’d have been able to do so without creating an impression that I was outright scummy or piling on for towncred. If I was more concrete, it would be revealing too much. Less concrete, not verifiable.
So, if I wanted to not raise your hackles...I should either comment on those who were talking about their roles or just stay out of it completely, rather than engaging the conversation by reciprocating. I find that thinking this way can make me timid, especially when I’m town. That’s why I said that I thought we’d turned over a new leaf...we have been playing together pretty effectively lately. But not so much now.
Oh, FFS, LaLight....how can anyone engage with faust and not sound defensive?
Gah!
*what I really need is to take a walk and get out of my house but it’s raining and there is no place to go and sorry for being snippy
I agree that committing to a complicated role is committing to something (disagree with faust), even if I think it’s mostly meaningless since most of the roles are probably complicated.I've been contemplating this sentence for an embarrassingly long time. Didds, I'm sorry if this is getting tedious, but could you expand on what you mean here.
Skip-Cool.
I’ll paraphrase because I’m on my phone....and don’t have the capacity to quote right now
Faust said that my claim was scummy because saying it was complicated wasn’t verifiable, and couldn’t be used to constrain a future fake claim.
I disagree. At the very least, when I’m dead the complicated/moving parts of the role I mentioned earlier will revealed. If I was lying I’d be constrained from claiming a simple role. My role is complicated and has some moving parts.
My guess is that there are other people that have similarly complicated roles. At the very least cayvie is in that boat. So, I don’t think it is particularly revealing to say my role is complicated because I bet lots of people aren’t sitting with simple roles.
Skip-Cool.
I’ll paraphrase because I’m on my phone....and don’t have the capacity to quote right now
Faust said that my claim was scummy because saying it was complicated wasn’t verifiable, and couldn’t be used to constrain a future fake claim.
I disagree. At the very least, when I’m dead the complicated/moving parts of the role I mentioned earlier will revealed. If I was lying I’d be constrained from claiming a simple role. My role is complicated and has some moving parts.
My guess is that there are other people that have similarly complicated roles. At the very least cayvie is in that boat. So, I don’t think it is particularly revealing to say my role is complicated because I bet lots of people aren’t sitting with simple roles.
So my thing is:
The point of the claim is, as you say, to constrain your future claim so that should you choose to lie, you'd have to make up a complicated/moving parts role. That entails some amount of difficulty, let's say x difficulty points. What does the presumption that others have complicated roles have to do with the difficulty of making one up?
Changed my mind Just going to post my stream of conscience upon my reread. To make this easy for Ash, I'll start with this on it's own line:
vote: Cayvie
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Game starts at #57
- #66/#67: Cayvie is usually on-point with literally everything. Her reaction to faust noting this first strikes me as off. Cayvie doesn't miss this. Town!Cavie is ready to go with discussion or even brings this up first - ???!Cayvie says "now that you point it out"
- #68: LaLight, first half not-scum LaLight. Second half, not convinced doesn’t apply to him.
- #71: MiX, sounds like it’s him that’s Third Party saying he won’t get caught by this?
- #88: Definitely think Cayvie isn’t green-text
- #90: In combination with #68 LaLight is town
- #99 – Eddie appears. Haven’t played with him since we orchestrated an everybody loses game. Epic memories. Don’t trust anything he says.
- #101 – Every post Cayvie makes confirms my growing bias that she’s not green-aligned. Town!Cayvie claims quickly/unprompted during a cold day in hell.
- #104 – Does Swan focus on/lock in on setup stuff more as town or scum? <- check back <-- Eh, NAI
- General Thoughts: Skip is giving me town vibes. Faust… I’m not sure. He’s middle of the road, which in itself is weird, as he usually read scummy to me.
- #129 Mail-Mi not human?
- #130: EFHW seems arbitrary here. Not sure if that’s a scummy trait or not.
- #130-134: Lean scummy on EFHW’s approach to reads. Gut feeling.
- #137 is what I expect from Cayvie. It feels contrasted with her earlier posts (not contradictory, just different).
- #138 I agree with Eddie that faust hasn’t seemed normal. Not sure on Pubby. He hasn’t really stood out to me thusfar. Note to focus more on second reread.
- #139 Cayvie agrees with my general thought from line above, but defends it considerably stronger than I would have.
- #145/#146 – Talk about WCD soft-claim. Reread/Follow up - don’t recall/didn’t stand out? <- Wasn’t much there, which seems to be the point.
- #148 : Swan : Thoughts. I’m not sure I agree with his approach to Eddie’s thoughts here. Paragraph 1 I disagree with – but because I myself have found faust slightly off. Paragraph 2 I kind of agree with (point about Cayvie defending Pubby above)
- General Thoughts again: faust has become slightly townier in his posts. Or at least, more ‘fausty’ – that’s mostly NAI I think, but would be expected from town!faust in general, and scum!faust as the game goes on.
- #151 Does Skip have more knowledge of the setup (“Moving parts … make sense with the rest of the setup”) than he should?
- #152 Eddie self-aware. NAI
- General Thoughts : MiX reading generally townie “not really put together” MiX.
- #156 – Didds… I feel the frustration – but the defeatist here… more town or scum? Watch closer.
- #159 – Kinda agree with faust here in reference to #159 above. That’s what I was feeling. Hmm.
- #166 – Why does e! care who is voting for him here? I think he has… 1? 2? 0? votes… Concern seems wrong.
- #167 – Eddie’s response to MiX is townie. Last time I thought Eddie was townie he was scum (so was I, multi-ball)
- #168 – This is where I’m at (agreement with MiX)
- General Thoughts: Don’t care for Shraeye’s approach. Town. Frustrated WCD is… NAI. Would do as town or as scum.
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Sorry that's not more put together. I followed through my first intent to re-read, but was having trouble afterwards deciding where I specifically wanted to dive in to - so figured I would just share the thoughts I have had up to this point.
Feel free to prod me on any of those thoughts and I'll try to explain in more detail.
hi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
Is this sarcastic? If not, explain please.No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
Is this sarcastic? If not, explain please.No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum.Yeah cayvie, just figure who all the scum are, and then we won't suspect you anymore!
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum.Yeah cayvie, just figure who all the scum are, and then we won't suspect you anymore!
And I sympathize with cayvie for having been in the exact position she is in now, and it's incredibly frustrating.To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum.Yeah cayvie, just figure who all the scum are, and then we won't suspect you anymore!
You kid, but that's exactly what I want to see cayvie doing.
I have zero experience making up fake claims. Oh, wait...zero experience on f.ds. It’s literally never happened here. I’m much likely to say too much rather than making ish up.It was a fail; I think that people imagine they live in a world where fakeclaiming is the norm. And I don't think that's the world we live in.
The one and only time I had to fake claim was in the dice game on Jimmmmm’s lynch pool site. It was an epic fail.
Is this sarcastic? If not, explain please.No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
Is this sarcastic? If not, explain please.No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
Oh don't you worry; MiX will get around to responding to everything.
Is this sarcastic? If not, explain please.No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
Oh don't you worry; MiX will get around to responding to everything.
Snarkye has awoken.I bet Uncleeurope...ISNT EVEN A REAL UNCLE!!!
Let the roasts commence.
He is the Uncle of Europe!
Google him! You’ll see...he’s the beloved Eddie to us all
He is the Uncle of Europe!
Google him! You’ll see...he’s the beloved Eddie to us all
I still call Uncle just Uncle. I feel weird.
hi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum. But you're scum, so you can't do the first one, right? I understand, I remember when I got scum after my first game and it was incredibly hard to get a motivation to improve my play.
Vote: cayvie
hi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum. But you're scum, so you can't do the first one, right? I understand, I remember when I got scum after my first game and it was incredibly hard to get a motivation to improve my play.
Vote: cayvie
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum.Yeah cayvie, just figure who all the scum are, and then we won't suspect you anymore!
You kid, but that's exactly what I want to see cayvie doing.
and what's with galz constantly calling me "not greentext" (instead of "scum") and thinking MiX is "third party" anyway?
mafia's normally the ones who search for third party players d1, y'all
The more I think about it, the more I want to vote: MiX instead.
The more I think about it, the more I want to vote: MiX instead.
Bad and/or you're scum.
and what's with galz constantly calling me "not greentext" (instead of "scum") and thinking MiX is "third party" anyway?
mafia's normally the ones who search for third party players d1, y'all
well then vote eddie!
Cayvie didn't understand what happened "here". Seeing that, pubby voted, I presumed because town would've followed through instead of posting that.What do you mean by "followed through"?
I haven’t played on here in awhile. I forgot the meta was to push a wagon on me day 1 if I am town.This is a trivially easy, super dismissive thing to say. It's designed to plant doubt in people's minds without actually making a substantive argument.
It’s weird how that always seems to happen. I only ever have early wagons as town.
Also, to those who are saying eddie is town:I haven’t played on here in awhile. I forgot the meta was to push a wagon on me day 1 if I am town.This is a trivially easy, super dismissive thing to say. It's designed to plant doubt in people's minds without actually making a substantive argument.
It’s weird how that always seems to happen. I only ever have early wagons as town.
This is a good wagon. People should join.
Cayvie didn't understand what happened "here". Seeing that, pubby voted, I presumed because town would've followed through instead of posting that.What do you mean by "followed through"?
Also, to those who are saying eddie is town:I haven’t played on here in awhile. I forgot the meta was to push a wagon on me day 1 if I am town.This is a trivially easy, super dismissive thing to say. It's designed to plant doubt in people's minds without actually making a substantive argument.
It’s weird how that always seems to happen. I only ever have early wagons as town.
This is a good wagon. People should join.
Also, to those who are saying eddie is town:I haven’t played on here in awhile. I forgot the meta was to push a wagon on me day 1 if I am town.This is a trivially easy, super dismissive thing to say. It's designed to plant doubt in people's minds without actually making a substantive argument.
It’s weird how that always seems to happen. I only ever have early wagons as town.
This is a good wagon. People should join.
MiX is right, You could check my other games to confirm. I only get early wagons when I am not pressured to have you people trust me.
I mean, I could be going around without having to make semi-inflamitory statements like “people are voting for me, therefor I am confirmed Town” (it is not lost on me how I sound making such statements).
But I am making those statements anyway, thus drawing attention to myself for no reason.
I kinda like my Pubby vote, still, although not as much.
Vote: Shraeye?
Vote: LaLight?
Vote: mail-mi?
Eh, good enough, I guess.
Also, to those who are saying eddie is town:I haven’t played on here in awhile. I forgot the meta was to push a wagon on me day 1 if I am town.This is a trivially easy, super dismissive thing to say. It's designed to plant doubt in people's minds without actually making a substantive argument.
It’s weird how that always seems to happen. I only ever have early wagons as town.
This is a good wagon. People should join.
MiX is right, You could check my other games to confirm. I only get early wagons when I am not pressured to have you people trust me.
I mean, I could be going around without having to make semi-inflamitory statements like “people are voting for me, therefor I am confirmed Town” (it is not lost on me how I sound making such statements).
But I am making those statements anyway, thus drawing attention to myself for no reason.
I kinda like my Pubby vote, still, although not as much.
Vote: Shraeye?
Vote: LaLight?
Vote: mail-mi?
Eh, good enough, I guess.
love how you talk about yourself as an easy D1 town wagon, but then put your own vote on the other easy D1 town wagon.
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
LaLight - obv kind of in agreement, but do you have a specific reason set on why no cayvie? Is it the people on cayvie or is it something about cayvie?
More active defending going on than I’m used to seeing. Not certain how to interpret that.
By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
I noticed this as well but I'm not at all sure of the improbability of a townie who can't use multiple powers in one night. Is it worth mass-claiming about this? I genuinely don't know.By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
On a reread, I think mix scum slipped here.
More specifically, in the assumption that I can't use multiple powers in one night (which I can).
I put it to you that scum (who already have a nightkill) is more likely to have single powers in this game than town, and thus would not have had a reason to ask the mod.
vote: mix
I am willing to defend active defenders defending people therefore you should interpret defending as good.but I mean...you could be skum defending active players or active defenders, or whatever?
I noticed this as well but I'm not at all sure of the improbability of a townie who can't use multiple powers in one night. Is it worth mass-claiming about this? I genuinely don't know.By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
On a reread, I think mix scum slipped here.
More specifically, in the assumption that I can't use multiple powers in one night (which I can).
I put it to you that scum (who already have a nightkill) is more likely to have single powers in this game than town, and thus would not have had a reason to ask the mod.
vote: mix
I am willing to defend active defenders defending people therefore you should interpret defending as good.but I mean...you could be skum defending active players or active defenders, or whatever?
By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
On a reread, I think mix scum slipped here.
More specifically, in the assumption that I can't use multiple powers in one night (which I can).
I put it to you that scum (who already have a nightkill) is more likely to have single powers in this game than town, and thus would not have had a reason to ask the mod.
vote: mix
I like to vote for MiX as much as the next guy, but this scumslip argument is thin like butter spread over too much bread.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
MiX! I think maybe we have found someone who sets you off as much as I do (or perhaps even more...is that even possible?) with free flow information-sharing. I imagine you throwing up your hands and muttering “get it together, people! sheesh!” Except in Portuguese.
To clarify, I didnt mean full massclaim. I just meant everyone answering yes or no to the question:
Can you use multiple powers in one night?
I guess maybe this ship has sailed, but
vote: Didds
Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
Both? Why are they mutually exclusive? I know that she can be town. This is a possibility. The fact that it's anti-town if she's town makes it look like a scum move.
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
Both? Why are they mutually exclusive? I know that she can be town. This is a possibility. The fact that it's anti-town if she's town makes it look like a scum move.
it's not anti-town if it catches scum tho.
and do you really think my original partial claim was anti-town? compare the conversation before the claim to the conversation afterward. i think there's a lot more to go on for scumhunting. a big gain, in general, for the town, at the relatively small cost of some of my role.
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
Both? Why are they mutually exclusive? I know that she can be town. This is a possibility. The fact that it's anti-town if she's town makes it look like a scum move.
it's not anti-town if it catches scum tho.
and do you really think my original partial claim was anti-town? compare the conversation before the claim to the conversation afterward. i think there's a lot more to go on for scumhunting. a big gain, in general, for the town, at the relatively small cost of some of my role.
Seconded. It sounds like MiX pretending to be shraeye.I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
Seconded. It sounds like MiX pretending to be shraeye.I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
Both? Why are they mutually exclusive? I know that she can be town. This is a possibility. The fact that it's anti-town if she's town makes it look like a scum move.
it's not anti-town if it catches scum tho.
and do you really think my original partial claim was anti-town? compare the conversation before the claim to the conversation afterward. i think there's a lot more to go on for scumhunting. a big gain, in general, for the town, at the relatively small cost of some of my role.
And apparently this valuable conversation suggests my guilt?
Lol, this is a townslip if anything, scum usually has the faction kill AND powers and they start knowing if they can do both or not. Also your PR is too strong now so you're the one that failed their claim.Are you frustrated that cayvie revealed part of her role, or do you think she's scum? These are mutually exclusive.
And for the love of god stop claiming more of your role, it was to town's benefit for scum to think you can only do one thing at night! Think before you claim, as town would but you aren't.
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
MiX, I would like an answer to the above question.
It’s very grumpy old man.More channeling shraeye
join me on MiX, let's make this a wagon.Sold
join me on MiX, let's make this a wagon.Sold
vote: MiX
join me on MiX, let's make this a wagon.Sold
vote: MiX
join me on MiX, let's make this a wagon.Sold
vote: MiX
Alright, let’s make it a party.
Vote: MiX
join me on MiX, let's make this a wagon.Sold
vote: MiX
Alright, let’s make it a party.
Vote: MiX
Vote: Galzria
It’s very grumpy old man.More channeling shraeye
Galz, can you explain why MiX?
Galz, can you explain why MiX?
Not immediately - ask me again in 24 hours or so.
Seconded. It sounds like MiX pretending to be shraeye.I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
Seconded. It sounds like MiX pretending to be shraeye.I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
Didds, whatcha think about mail-mi’s take?
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
MiX, I would like an answer to the above question.
Read my cases? I don't understand the question.
Thoughts on faust?
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
MiX, I would like an answer to the above question.
Read my cases? I don't understand the question.
So far the case seems to be "she's not as ultra-effective town as normal" which as Faust says is an unfair standard to hold her to. So not much of a case, unless you can point me to some other things.
Thoughts on faust?
What are your thoughts on Faust?
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
MiX, I would like an answer to the above question.
Read my cases? I don't understand the question.
So far the case seems to be "she's not as ultra-effective town as normal" which as Faust says is an unfair standard to hold her to. So not much of a case, unless you can point me to some other things.
That’s not at all the case. Nobody expects her (or anybody) to be “ultra-effective town”. She’s as likely as the next person to be wrong or right with her reads. What I do think of Cayvie is that she’s ridiculously sharp, and rarely a thing is going to slip past her notice. To that point, I think scum!cayvie is just slightly more likely to overlook the exact wording of the Town wincon - as it’s extremely close to normal and wouldn’t effect her directly. Town!Cayvie, in my opinion, would be more in tune with something that impacted her.
Cayvie claiming here is just completely out of character for her - but I think is NAI (maybe?) as I’m not sure she would be so bold as scum to go completely against her established Town meta views. So I’m reserving exclusive judgement on this specific data point, even if it combines with the above to put her squarely in my scummy category.
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
MiX, I would like an answer to the above question.
Read my cases? I don't understand the question.
So far the case seems to be "she's not as ultra-effective town as normal" which as Faust says is an unfair standard to hold her to. So not much of a case, unless you can point me to some other things.
That’s not at all the case. Nobody expects her (or anybody) to be “ultra-effective town”. She’s as likely as the next person to be wrong or right with her reads. What I do think of Cayvie is that she’s ridiculously sharp, and rarely a thing is going to slip past her notice. To that point, I think scum!cayvie is just slightly more likely to overlook the exact wording of the Town wincon - as it’s extremely close to normal and wouldn’t effect her directly. Town!Cayvie, in my opinion, would be more in tune with something that impacted her.
Cayvie claiming here is just completely out of character for her - but I think is NAI (maybe?) as I’m not sure she would be so bold as scum to go completely against her established Town meta views. So I’m reserving exclusive judgement on this specific data point, even if it combines with the above to put her squarely in my scummy category.
the thing that had you on cayvie was that she overlooked the town win con?
join me on MiX, let's make this a wagon.Sold
vote: MiX
Alright, let’s make it a party.
Vote: MiX
Vote: Galzria
Shock and surprise!
I’m much more interested in other’s opinions than your reaction here, MiX. Carry on.
Thoughts on faust?
What are your thoughts on Faust?
Or his thoughts on anything...
i don't follow what just happened here.
Townpoints for skip as that's exactly what I thought.My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
vote: cayvievote: pubby
No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.vote: cayvievote: pubby
This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.
MiX, for example.
Vote: Pubby
No, not really.
Vote: Uncle, who am I defending?vote: UncleeuropeI can get behind this
vote: Uncleeurope
Lol skip's town, have fun being NKd, that's an honor!Alright.Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.
Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.
This except with much less doubt over it's truthfulness than either of you.I already revealed my role but nobody took notice.
I saw it, there's just no reason to point it out.
Also last time you claimed like that you were scum doing some insane fakeclaim.
Okay, where is Galzria??
Gone! Is he in this game? I think Galz kurking here is NAI, besides my vote's in a better place.
Why do you want him here?
"No, not really" is about your reads on pubby and faust, you established that after the post for which I voted you, your behavior says you're town.
Vote: E, "I need to know everyone's reads, gimme them please".
hi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum. But you're scum, so you can't do the first one, right? I understand, I remember when I got scum after my first game and it was incredibly hard to get a motivation to improve my play.
Vote: cayvie
Kewl. Now I'm happy.
Vote: MiX L-2
Kewl. Now I'm happy.
Vote: MiX L-2
were you unhappy before? what is the context of this post, weirdo?
I like to vote for MiX as much as the next guy, but this scumslip argument is thin like butter spread over too much bread.
this day has been so weird, i'm gonna vote: DatSwan. i really don't like how he misrepresented galz's case against me. it was a better case than that! not a correct one, sure, but a pretty good day 1 case, all things considered.I gotta say, I'm totally with swan on that, but maybe you could supply me with some background.
i mean maybe it's just that galz is fairly unusual in that he had significant experience playing with me in the olden days, so i actually give some credence to his thoughts on "how cayvie plays".
but it's weird how swan dismisses galz like that. actually it's not weird--it's buddying.
I am surprised. I had expected him to say "bad and town" again.Vote: Galzria
Shock and surprise!
I’m much more interested in other’s opinions than your reaction here, MiX. Carry on.
Maybe I was born with it; maybe it's Maybelline; but probably it's the stress and tedium of reminding 80-120 students a semester that the answer to every question they've ever asked me is already in the syllabus.It’s very grumpy old man.More channeling shraeye
I see you, says one gray hair to another
Cayvie claiming here is just completely out of character for herIs it?
Mix post, then Mix post, then Mix post (but I think this one's scummy, take note of how he's not scumreading pubby for doing this thing that could be looked as a softclaim like he did when he was scum), then Mix post, then Mix post, then Mix post. Okay, now after this wall, my real argument
POST # 202 - MiX votes for Cayviehi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum. But you're scum, so you can't do the first one, right? I understand, I remember when I got scum after my first game and it was incredibly hard to get a motivation to improve my play.
Vote: cayvie
So I lied I am gonna throw a vote down.
Vote: MiX
Cayvie posts the response about not seeing the town win con prior to anything in the quotes above. In post #124 MiX finds Cayvie skummy for a different thing. Then over the course of the next half the game, MiX moves their votes from *not Cayvie* to *not Cayvie* to *not Cayvie*. Then Galz posts up the thing, Mail Mi jumps on board, and all of a sudden Cayvie is worth the vote? I will concede MiX is MiX and def throws the votes around a lot, so that is kind of NAI. But going 80 game posts, several vote changes and like 10 other responses without wanting to point this out - that is strange.
Kind of a compliment to MiX's game I suppose in the same way Galz's case was to Cayvie - I don't think MiX waits on a case if they have one, and I def don't think they needed Galz to summarize the cayvie case to the extent they did in order to piece it together.
TLDR - MiX throws suspicion around and then ends up on a convenient wagon in a convenient spot.
That was long. sorry.
this day has been so weird, i'm gonna vote: DatSwan. i really don't like how he misrepresented galz's case against me. it was a better case than that! not a correct one, sure, but a pretty good day 1 case, all things considered.I gotta say, I'm totally with swan on that, but maybe you could supply me with some background.
i mean maybe it's just that galz is fairly unusual in that he had significant experience playing with me in the olden days, so i actually give some credence to his thoughts on "how cayvie plays".
but it's weird how swan dismisses galz like that. actually it's not weird--it's buddying.
In your own estimation, how likely would you say you are to catch the win-con thing?
Are you more likely to catch it as town?
If so, how much more likely?
this day has been so weird, i'm gonna vote: DatSwan. i really don't like how he misrepresented galz's case against me. it was a better case than that! not a correct one, sure, but a pretty good day 1 case, all things considered.I gotta say, I'm totally with swan on that, but maybe you could supply me with some background.
i mean maybe it's just that galz is fairly unusual in that he had significant experience playing with me in the olden days, so i actually give some credence to his thoughts on "how cayvie plays".
but it's weird how swan dismisses galz like that. actually it's not weird--it's buddying.
In your own estimation, how likely would you say you are to catch the win-con thing?
Are you more likely to catch it as town?
If so, how much more likely?
oh probably 80% likely. and yeah more likely to catch it as town. maybe 85%. i just didn't!
this day has been so weird, i'm gonna vote: DatSwan. i really don't like how he misrepresented galz's case against me. it was a better case than that! not a correct one, sure, but a pretty good day 1 case, all things considered.
i mean maybe it's just that galz is fairly unusual in that he had significant experience playing with me in the olden days, so i actually give some credence to his thoughts on "how cayvie plays".
but it's weird how swan dismisses galz like that. actually it's not weird--it's buddying.
this day has been so weird, i'm gonna vote: DatSwan. i really don't like how he misrepresented galz's case against me. it was a better case than that! not a correct one, sure, but a pretty good day 1 case, all things considered.
i mean maybe it's just that galz is fairly unusual in that he had significant experience playing with me in the olden days, so i actually give some credence to his thoughts on "how cayvie plays".
but it's weird how swan dismisses galz like that. actually it's not weird--it's buddying.
did you not see the slew of questions I directed at galz followed by the I would like some answers post? I am def not buddying galz - if anything I am buddying you.
My current options to choose between, based on cases I can cultivate without being ridiculous or just isolating lurkers, consist of:
1. Eddie - tried, still would like it, but nothing has happened to build upon it. So I looked to contribute elsewhere
2. You/Cayvie - Which as I pointed out multiple times, the cases that are being made I do not like. Therefore, I am suspicious of Galz (thus the mini-interrogation) and I am suspicious of MiX (thus the vote).
3. MiX - See the wall post.
I am re reading that and it comes of as sarcastic, but it is not meant to. I am just trying to clarify that you actually are getting the facts of what is happening straight here.
Mix post, then Mix post, then Mix post (but I think this one's scummy, take note of how he's not scumreading pubby for doing this thing that could be looked as a softclaim like he did when he was scum), then Mix post, then Mix post, then Mix post. Okay, now after this wall, my real argument
POST # 202 - MiX votes for Cayviehi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum. But you're scum, so you can't do the first one, right? I understand, I remember when I got scum after my first game and it was incredibly hard to get a motivation to improve my play.
Vote: cayvie
So I lied I am gonna throw a vote down.
Vote: MiX
Cayvie posts the response about not seeing the town win con prior to anything in the quotes above. In post #124 MiX finds Cayvie skummy for a different thing. Then over the course of the next half the game, MiX moves their votes from *not Cayvie* to *not Cayvie* to *not Cayvie*. Then Galz posts up the thing, Mail Mi jumps on board, and all of a sudden Cayvie is worth the vote? I will concede MiX is MiX and def throws the votes around a lot, so that is kind of NAI. But going 80 game posts, several vote changes and like 10 other responses without wanting to point this out - that is strange.
Kind of a compliment to MiX's game I suppose in the same way Galz's case was to Cayvie - I don't think MiX waits on a case if they have one, and I def don't think they needed Galz to summarize the cayvie case to the extent they did in order to piece it together.
TLDR - MiX throws suspicion around and then ends up on a convenient wagon in a convenient spot.
That was long. sorry.
TLDR: MiX has a scumread and then voted when said scumread is stronger.
Vote: Swan
I mean Eddie is an easy wagon. MiX is an easy wagon, nail-mi is an easy wagon, apparently I am the easy wagon so what do we do now?
vote: Eddie
Vote cayvie, I promise that, although it will be one of the hardest wagons, we will pull through and lynch the scum on the other side of this dark tunnel! Who's with me?
How are you so confident?
I know MiX is usually pretty brash as town, but this feels like MiX is overplaying his brashness, faking it 'cause he's scum.
MiX, I would like an answer to the above question.
Read my cases? I don't understand the question.
So far the case seems to be "she's not as ultra-effective town as normal" which as Faust says is an unfair standard to hold her to. So not much of a case, unless you can point me to some other things.
That’s not at all the case. Nobody expects her (or anybody) to be “ultra-effective town”. She’s as likely as the next person to be wrong or right with her reads. What I do think of Cayvie is that she’s ridiculously sharp, and rarely a thing is going to slip past her notice. To that point, I think scum!cayvie is just slightly more likely to overlook the exact wording of the Town wincon - as it’s extremely close to normal and wouldn’t effect her directly. Town!Cayvie, in my opinion, would be more in tune with something that impacted her.
Cayvie claiming here is just completely out of character for her - but I think is NAI (maybe?) as I’m not sure she would be so bold as scum to go completely against her established Town meta views. So I’m reserving exclusive judgement on this specific data point, even if it combines with the above to put her squarely in my scummy category.
Maybe the thing I quoted when I voted for cayvie, Swan. Maybe it was that.
For mail-mi, it's the combination of things that cayvie would do as town but isn't doing this game that is making me vote for her. They're too many for her to be town in my opinion.
hi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
hi galz! i feel like this reputation i've somehow garnered of "literally on point with nearly everything" is both inaccurate and unhelpful for me (you'd think i'd, like, win games ever if i was that good), and yet it's not the first time i've heard it. i don't like it, and it also feels futile to fight it; what am i supposed to do, make intentional mistakes? pay less attention?
i had legitimately not put it together that the wincon was different from normal until faust pointed it out; i assumed it was just an equivalent phrasing for the normal wincon and not put much thought into it.
and while it is true that it is unusual for me to claim quickly/unprompted (have I ever partially claimed d1 before? i don't think so), i did claim quickly at the start of d2 in BM29, which you were in (if dead at the time). i claimed here bc my role is verging on bastard territory and is likely to make me look bad if i use it. so i figure maybe it'd be more helpful to be public about that ahead of time? and also because the conversation was lagging, and i felt like i didn't have anything to talk about.
So this is the post. I don't like the part where cayvie thinks the way to fight a good reputation is to play worse. The true way to fight it is to live up to it, because if you don't you get lynched, that's what a reputation is. I also don't like the "you'd think I'd win" part, being on point on things isn't being on point on reads, and that's really the goal of this game. The comparison to BM29 also feels out of place and it's a completely different scenario, with there someone had basically claimed a guilty result on cayvie and so she claimed in response. Talking about a claim isn't talking about something that can get you reads, or get the game going, making a case is. I don't like the "?" near the end, expresses doubt which is not what you want to show, but is a truth scum like to say.
The throwaway defense about not noticing the wincon and later saying she usually notices it also feels contradictory, but when I voted based on this post it was fine, honestly neither did I, I just noticed the thing that was incredibly useful in the prequel game.
So that's, I think, all I scumread from that post. It's a lot, so I voted, but I honestly just needed the first part about playing worse. Town is optimistic. Scum is pessimistic. This is something I've noticed, town has to stay positive to win, scum doesn't.
So that's, I think, all I scumread from that post. It's a lot, so I voted, but I honestly just needed the first part about playing worse. Town is optimistic. Scum is pessimistic. This is something I've noticed, town has to stay positive to win, scum doesn't.
Heh maybe that's what you're seeing then, because I'm definitely a lot more pessimistic than I was even two weeks ago.
Pubby/EFHW are where I’m at right now.Let's vote: pubby, I really didn't like that l-1 vote
With some honorable mentions that I won’t mention at this time.
For those of you that have played more with him, does MiX often bus early as scum?
Because I'm starting to wonder about a cayvie/MiX scum team.
Galz, can you explain why MiX?
Not immediately - ask me again in 24 hours or so.
MiX behavior is to vote for his teammate early and often, but always change his vote after a day.
But now that I bring it up he might not do it anymore.
vote: MiX
L-1 8)
Pubby, stop being evil.
MiX is probably good.
Calling it now, if MiX is bad, ima just be a bit miffed.
Pubby/EFHW are where I’m at right now.How about joining the party? We could do EFHW later.
With some honorable mentions that I won’t mention at this time.
Crickets....
Crickets....
I'm not sure what kind of content to add. I still want to lynch MiX, and would be happy with a hammer.
Crickets....
I'm not sure what kind of content to add. I still want to lynch MiX, and would be happy with a hammer.
Do you think his last two posts were faked emotion? They felt real to me
Crickets....
I'm not sure what kind of content to add. I still want to lynch MiX, and would be happy with a hammer.
Can we not lynch MiX or cayvie?
I recommend EFHW!
Crickets....
I'm not sure what kind of content to add. I still want to lynch MiX, and would be happy with a hammer.
What's your case? Why do you want a hammer this early into the game?
I just want to point out that as scum I play in a way that I don't get a L-1 wagon this early. This happens, and you can't blame anyone but myself for that. Sadly as town I need to catch scum, so here I am, voting for scum.
You can hammer me now, whoever it is that can hammer and wants to. Just dayvig cayvie in the same post.
which felt off to me. Not the best case in the world, but it's good enough for D1 for me.
To live up to the reputation, just play better as town, not worse as scum. But you're scum, so you can't do the first one, right? I understand, I remember when I got scum after my first game and it was incredibly hard to get a motivation to improve my play.
Vote: cayvie
Crickets....
Can we not lynch MiX or cayvie?Gimme the 'why' of those statements, or it really doesn't sway me at all.
I recommend EFHW!
Why do you want a hammer this early into the game?Oh yeah, too early to hammer. Let's wait and do it on Monday....
I just want to point out that as scum I play in a way that I don't get a L-1 wagon this early. This happens, and you can't blame anyone but myself for that. Sadly as town I need to catch scum, so here I am, voting for scum.
You can hammer me now, whoever it is that can hammer and wants to. Just dayvig cayvie in the same post.
Can we not lynch MiX or cayvie?Gimme the 'why' of those statements, or it really doesn't sway me at all.
I recommend EFHW!
Sold.Can we not lynch MiX or cayvie?Gimme the 'why' of those statements, or it really doesn't sway me at all.
I recommend EFHW!
Ah, yes. My mistake. MiX is probably town, Cayvie could easily be town, and EFHW is likely not.
Seemed self-explanatory to me, but I still should have made my case, sorry about that.
Can we not lynch MiX or cayvie?
I recommend EFHW!
That's good. I also like a Swan lynch, and a pubby lynch. Either 4 work in my opinion, in that order.
I'll stick with my vote for now. Tell my why cayvie is town, then I might follow you.
Thoughts on faust?
Thoughts on faust?
What are your thoughts on Faust?
vote: MiX
L-1 8)
I’m down for a little vote: EFHWIs that because I defended cayvie?
Can we not lynch MiX or cayvie?
I recommend EFHW!
That's good. I also like a Swan lynch, and a pubby lynch. Either 4 work in my opinion, in that order.
I'll stick with my vote for now. Tell my why cayvie is town, then I might follow you.
She defended you just a few posts back.
I’m down for a little vote: EFHW
Thoughts on faust?Thoughts on faust?
What are your thoughts on Faust?
and pubby's next post, one posting-requirement-unit later:vote: MiX
L-1 8)
i'm keeping my vote on this guy.
Unfortunately, the very few posts with Jordan Content 0 (just learned about that in my analysis class, seems to fit the situation) doesn't make pubby scum. He lurks hardcore as scum and town.
My votes sure as hell aren't fake.
Yeah, you do that while I see how far your wagon goes. I have to say it's been great so far so I don't wanna back down, and it's keeping my options open which is amazing.
Yeah, you do that while I see how far your wagon goes. I have to say it's been great so far so I don't wanna back down, and it's keeping my options open which is amazing.
What options are being kept open and how? You are the only one on the cayvie wagon. How is that great? Why are you so happy being at L-2?
My votes sure as hell aren't fake.
oh hi there
did you have any particular thoughts on faust you wanted to share when you brought him up as a topic of conversation?
My lynch preference as of now among players with votes is:
Pubby>efhw>>>mix>>>wcd.
Is Faust on the table D1 or is that just not done?
Has he played such a low effort d1 as either alignment? I don't recall reading one. I haven't really honed in on a concise type of case but my nebulous thoughts are something like:
Without necessarily being able to quote direct examples, I've gotten the feeling from some of faust's posts in mafia games and threads discussing mafia meta over the years a certain displeasure with lack of activity/effort on the part of town. (Feel free to argue with this, I don't claim to be an expert. This is based on the small sample size that I've been exposed to.) His behavior in this game looks to me like scum!faust experimenting with what he can get away with. Or maybe teaching town a lesson. I don't know. I'd appreciate other people's thoughts on this.
@faust, which alignment do you enjoy playing more? (I can't say exactly why this is relevant, but I feel like it might help.)
Pubby>efhw>>>wcd>>>MiX for me.Have you totally discounted the scumslip? I still think there might be something to it but it may require more info.
Pubby>efhw>>>wcd>>>MiX for me.Have you totally discounted the scumslip? I still think there might be something to it but it may require more info.
@faust, which alignment do you enjoy playing more? (I can't say exactly why this is relevant, but I feel like it might help.)Scum. But also it depends. Playing scum multiple games in a row is exhausting, so if that happens I like to have some nice chill VT game in between.
By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
On a reread, I think mix scum slipped here.
More specifically, in the assumption that I can't use multiple powers in one night (which I can).
I put it to you that scum (who already have a nightkill) is more likely to have single powers in this game than town, and thus would not have had a reason to ask the mod.
vote: mix
What do you think of my recent faust post? If I'm way off don't hold back, I can take it.
2) fabricates a scum slip that creates a wagon to deflect attention away from you where now you have.....0 votesIf cayvie is the scum mastermind that could foresee this happening, then we should lynch her indeed.
Is Faust on the table D1 or is that just not done?
Has he played such a low effort d1 as either alignment? I don't recall reading one. I haven't really honed in on a concise type of case but my nebulous thoughts are something like:
Without necessarily being able to quote direct examples, I've gotten the feeling from some of faust's posts in mafia games and threads discussing mafia meta over the years a certain displeasure with lack of activity/effort on the part of town. (Feel free to argue with this, I don't claim to be an expert. This is based on the small sample size that I've been exposed to.) His behavior in this game looks to me like scum!faust experimenting with what he can get away with. Or maybe teaching town a lesson. I don't know. I'd appreciate other people's thoughts on this.
@faust, which alignment do you enjoy playing more? (I can't say exactly why this is relevant, but I feel like it might help.)
2) fabricates a scum slip that creates a wagon to deflect attention away from you where now you have.....0 votesIf cayvie is the scum mastermind that could foresee this happening, then we should lynch her indeed.
I always say if you think a person is scummy vote for them. Just build a case. We can always do the mad dash for a Lynch with 2 hours leftAh, building a case is overrated.
But it did start the process. And she is conveniently now at 0You're also conveniently at 0. I guess we should be voting for you.
But it did start the process. And she is conveniently now at 0You're also conveniently at 0. I guess we should be voting for you.
I always say if you think a person is scummy vote for them. Just build a case. We can always do the mad dash for a Lynch with 2 hours leftAh, building a case is overrated.
By the way, you should vote for EFHW.
The only problem is once I vote for you, you're no longer conveniently at 0, so I have to vote for someone else!But it did start the process. And she is conveniently now at 0You're also conveniently at 0. I guess we should be voting for you.
Exactly
So this is the same thing that faust brought up about sympathizing with cayvie: you get a reputation and it sticks with you.It's not remotely the same. I'm talking purely about activity and effort.
I always say if you think a person is scummy vote for them. Just build a case. We can always do the mad dash for a Lynch with 2 hours leftAh, building a case is overrated.
By the way, you should vote for EFHW.
Really? Why is that. Wait, don't tell me. I will iso her
The only problem is once I vote for you, you're no longer conveniently at 0, so I have to vote for someone else!But it did start the process. And she is conveniently now at 0You're also conveniently at 0. I guess we should be voting for you.
Exactly
So this is the same thing that faust brought up about sympathizing with cayvie: you get a reputation and it sticks with you.It's not remotely the same. I'm talking purely about activity and effort.
That is what I'm doing but that's not what was happening earlier with cayvie, and it's not in the realm of "he's still alive day 3". Cayvie was getting heat for not producing results, or for missing the weird wording in the win-con, or something silly like that. I'm talking about faust not trying.So this is the same thing that faust brought up about sympathizing with cayvie: you get a reputation and it sticks with you.It's not remotely the same. I'm talking purely about activity and effort.
I thought you were comparing that activity and effort to previous editions of faust-play.
Which then my comments about reputation would be valid, guess I just didn't quite get what you were going for
That is what I'm doing but that's not what was happening earlier with cayvie, and it's not in the realm of "he's still alive day 3". Cayvie was getting heat for not producing results, or for missing the weird wording in the win-con, or something silly like that. I'm talking about faust not trying.So this is the same thing that faust brought up about sympathizing with cayvie: you get a reputation and it sticks with you.It's not remotely the same. I'm talking purely about activity and effort.
I thought you were comparing that activity and effort to previous editions of faust-play.
Which then my comments about reputation would be valid, guess I just didn't quite get what you were going for
Also, I haven't played two games parallel in a while, it's possible you're just seeing the effects of that.
Yeah, you do that while I see how far your wagon goes. I have to say it's been great so far so I don't wanna back down, and it's keeping my options open which is amazing.
What options are being kept open and how? You are the only one on the cayvie wagon. How is that great? Why are you so happy being at L-2?
Wait, really? checks wagons oh yeah!
Vote: EFHW
2) fabricates a scum slip that creates a wagon to deflect attention away from you where now you have.....0 votesIf cayvie is the scum mastermind that could foresee this happening, then we should lynch her indeed.
Yeah, I wish I had a magic button to reset votes against me to zero to.
I am obviously not saying that cayvie's case on MiX caused her to have zero votes now. It's more a correlation than a causation
2. EFHW hasn’t reacted to her votes until recently. Which is a trait that I typically assosiate to scum.
Yeah, you do that while I see how far your wagon goes. I have to say it's been great so far so I don't wanna back down, and it's keeping my options open which is amazing.
What options are being kept open and how? You are the only one on the cayvie wagon. How is that great? Why are you so happy being at L-2?
Wait, really? checks wagons oh yeah!
Vote: EFHW
You still haven't explained your jubilation. I'm pursuing this because it has a "haha you can't lynch me" kind of feel to it that makes me want to vote for you.
Also, I haven't played two games parallel in a while, it's possible you're just seeing the effects of that.Yeah, I have noooooo ideab why everyone wanted to start this during day 2 of the other RMM game. I mean, getting role PMs is fun, but then you have to try to read the same person twice (wait, did raerae misquote ADK is THIS game or the other?),
You're way off...and smelly.What do you think of my recent faust post? If I'm way off don't hold back, I can take it.
Uhhh, I think those are exactly remotely the same, thenSo this is the same thing that faust brought up about sympathizing with cayvie: you get a reputation and it sticks with you.It's not remotely the same. I'm talking purely about activity and effort.
Also, I haven't played two games parallel in a while, it's possible you're just seeing the effects of that.Yeah, I have noooooo ideab why everyone wanted to start this during day 2 of the other RMM game. I mean, getting role PMs is fun, but then you have to try to read the same person twice (wait, did raerae misquote ADK is THIS game or the other?),
Maybe this works for people who build reads lists different than me. But this day 1 started off sloooowww, and it's continued to be slow. That's gotta be related, right?
Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
No, I'm voting EFHW.Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
Is that even possible??
Are you voting pubby?
Yeah, you do that while I see how far your wagon goes. I have to say it's been great so far so I don't wanna back down, and it's keeping my options open which is amazing.
What options are being kept open and how? You are the only one on the cayvie wagon. How is that great? Why are you so happy being at L-2?
Wait, really? checks wagons oh yeah!
Vote: EFHW
You still haven't explained your jubilation. I'm pursuing this because it has a "haha you can't lynch me" kind of feel to it that makes me want to vote for you.
I could vote for you, pubby or Swan. It's great because I have a looot of scumreads when before I only had cayvie, so it's been helpful. I'm not happy I'm at L-2, I'm happy that I'm not at L-1.
Maybe the thing I quoted when I voted for cayvie, Swan. Maybe it was that.
For mail-mi, it's the combination of things that cayvie would do as town but isn't doing this game that is making me vote for her. They're too many for her to be town in my opinion.
So you just needed galz to point it out? That's my hang up. The thing you quoted is referencing the oversight that cayvie made quite some time previously. Did you not catch it then?
Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
this day has been so weird, i'm gonna vote: DatSwan. i really don't like how he misrepresented galz's case against me. it was a better case than that! not a correct one, sure, but a pretty good day 1 case, all things considered.
i mean maybe it's just that galz is fairly unusual in that he had significant experience playing with me in the olden days, so i actually give some credence to his thoughts on "how cayvie plays".
but it's weird how swan dismisses galz like that. actually it's not weird--it's buddying.
did you not see the slew of questions I directed at galz followed by the I would like some answers post? I am def not buddying galz - if anything I am buddying you.
My current options to choose between, based on cases I can cultivate without being ridiculous or just isolating lurkers, consist of:
1. Eddie - tried, still would like it, but nothing has happened to build upon it. So I looked to contribute elsewhere
2. You/Cayvie - Which as I pointed out multiple times, the cases that are being made I do not like. Therefore, I am suspicious of Galz (thus the mini-interrogation) and I am suspicious of MiX (thus the vote).
3. MiX - See the wall post.
I am re reading that and it comes of as sarcastic, but it is not meant to. I am just trying to clarify that you actually are getting the facts of what is happening straight here.
Also, hi, LaLight! I just added you to my list of potential scum candidates!
That’s what you get for disagreeing with me.
Also, hi, LaLight! I just added you to my list of potential scum candidates!
That’s what you get for disagreeing with me.
you are on my list as well, nice to meet you
Yeah, you do that while I see how far your wagon goes. I have to say it's been great so far so I don't wanna back down, and it's keeping my options open which is amazing.
What options are being kept open and how? You are the only one on the cayvie wagon. How is that great? Why are you so happy being at L-2?
Wait, really? checks wagons oh yeah!
Vote: EFHW
You still haven't explained your jubilation. I'm pursuing this because it has a "haha you can't lynch me" kind of feel to it that makes me want to vote for you.
I could vote for you, pubby or Swan. It's great because I have a looot of scumreads when before I only had cayvie, so it's been helpful. I'm not happy I'm at L-2, I'm happy that I'm not at L-1.
what's your Swan thinking?
All of that being said - I have now gone and looked at MiX's response to my comment that they mentioned. For MiX, in my experience, honing in on little things early game like "pessimismvsoptomism" and one liners and things like that is in fact a town trait for them. I do NOT agree with their points on Cayvie, but the points they are making I have seen them make several times (or similar points) as town. As skum they are normally more organized. Also, the reaction at L-1 is NOT a way that I would expect Skum!MiX.
If we ever needed proof that the world has changed forever, one just needs to turn on the television. As humans rebuilt society, a way to share information, entertain, and bring normalcy was prioritized. No one expected that a lasting remnant of the invasion would be intermittent alien broadcasts interfering with the signals...
今日の終わりまで四八時間もありません。注意してください。
Eventually, it just faded into the background for most of us. But not everyone is so strong.
—Diary Entry, a day during a cold summer, some time after the defeat of the Espheni
Vote Count 1.9:
MiX (5): mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, LaLight, pubby
EFHW (4): uncle, faust, WCD, MiX
WCD (1): EFHW
pubby (2): skip, DatSwan
cayvie (1): 2.7
LaLight (1): cayvie
Not Voting (0):
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday, April 7 at 10:00 a.m.
If we ever needed proof that the world has changed forever, one just needs to turn on the television. As humans rebuilt society, a way to share information, entertain, and bring normalcy was prioritized. No one expected that a lasting remnant of the invasion would be intermittent alien broadcasts interfering with the signals...
今日の終わりまで四八時間もありません。注意してください。
Eventually, it just faded into the background for most of us. But not everyone is so strong.
—Diary Entry, a day during a cold summer, some time after the defeat of the Espheni
Vote Count 1.9:
MiX (5): mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, LaLight, pubby
EFHW (4): uncle, faust, WCD, MiX
WCD (1): EFHW
pubby (2): skip, DatSwan
cayvie (1): 2.7
LaLight (1): cayvie
Not Voting (0):
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends Tuesday, April 7 at 10:00 a.m.
according to google translate, the alien broadcast tells us there's 48 hours left in the day and to please be careful. which is interesting because it's closer to 36 hours, right?
is the implication that the aliens are the ones running this game and forcing us to kill each other? i feel like this might be one of those pay-attention-to-the-flavor games where there's setup hints in there.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
Pubby is town.What changed since when you said he was one of your top lynch candidates?
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.Really? To me it seems like the opposite. People are avoiding pubby. Which people do you mean?
EFHW (4): uncle, faust, WCD, MiX, cayvie, LaLightwow it's all the scummiest people on one wagon.
All of that being said - I have now gone and looked at MiX's response to my comment that they mentioned. For MiX, in my experience, honing in on little things early game like "pessimismvsoptomism" and one liners and things like that is in fact a town trait for them. I do NOT agree with their points on Cayvie, but the points they are making I have seen them make several times (or similar points) as town. As skum they are normally more organized. Also, the reaction at L-1 is NOT a way that I would expect Skum!MiX.
Ok, so mix is no longer scummy, because honing in on things is a towntrait and they have made similar cases to their cayvie-case as town.
Was mix NOT honing in on things when you voted him? Was he making different cayvie-casea back then?
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
MiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.to this
I guess maybe this ship has sailed, butin the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.
vote: Didds
Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
wait I thought you thought pubby was skummy? what happened?
To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Sorry for that sentence being really difficult to read.To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
How many partners do you think I would have?
You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.
I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from thisMiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.to thisI guess maybe this ship has sailed, butin the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.
vote: Didds
Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
So which people were avoiding my wagon? Your case is a lie!To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
How many partners do you think I would have?
You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.
Do you think he's scum?
Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
I see, I interpreted this as "chummy" as in "chum-to-scum list", i.e. not scummy.I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from thisMiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.to thisI guess maybe this ship has sailed, butin the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.
vote: Didds
Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
That's not a contradiction. I said "chummy", meaning they are getting along too well, meaning I thought some of them were buddying others of them, or that there were connections between them we are unaware of.
I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from thisMiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.to thisI guess maybe this ship has sailed, butin the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.
vote: Didds
Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
That's not a contradiction. I said "chummy", meaning they are getting along too well, meaning I thought some of them were buddying others of them, or that there were connections between them we are unaware of.
So which people were avoiding my wagon? Your case is a lie!To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
vote: Eddie
I didn't until I saw skip's post and it became clear that he was trying to convince town of something that wasn't true. Maybe he's just mistaken. I'll unvote him if that turns out to be the case.
You may be right.Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Continuing this conversation is simply cluttering the thread.
Well, uh, there was no connection between me and Swan, so although we all skip's townread of Didds I didn't buddy with Swan. You can say he buddied me by saying the same thing I guess.
Do you think skip townreading Didds and me and Swan townreading skip's townread of Didds makes us have connections? If anything it looks like independent thoughts that reached the same conclusion as they're based on the same evidence (the Didds and then skip post).
Why did you give him a way to lose your vote?
PPE: Same.Yeah, I realized after I answered faust that if must have sounded like that.
You may be right.Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!
Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Continuing this conversation is simply cluttering the thread.
Vote: mail-mi
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
How many partners do you think I would have?
You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
How many partners do you think I would have?
You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.
Eh, I have a reason, just not one I can properly verbalize.
Obviously.
Thankfully I don’t need a case if we just lynch you and you are scum.
Wouldn’t that be nice.
I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
Pubby is town.
Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.
The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.
Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.
How many partners do you think I would have?
You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.
Eh, I have a reason, just not one I can properly verbalize.
Obviously.
Thankfully I don’t need a case if we just lynch you and you are scum.
Wouldn’t that be nice.
You're not addressing your misleading post about people avoiding my wagon.
I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.
And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".
Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi
I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.
And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".
Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi
they don't contradict each other. smh.
The intent of voting, creating wagons, etc. for me is to lynch scum. Pubby is lurking != pubby is scum. I have also not seen anything in pubby's play that points toward him being scum rather than just pubby. Thus, pubby is not a top priority lynch for me.
I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.
And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".
Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi
they don't contradict each other. smh.
The intent of voting, creating wagons, etc. for me is to lynch scum. Pubby is lurking != pubby is scum. I have also not seen anything in pubby's play that points toward him being scum rather than just pubby. Thus, pubby is not a top priority lynch for me.
if someone is allowed to lurk without being voted for, that encourages them to lurk as scum. you are rewarding lurking, literally, with a non-vote.
No they don't contradictI'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.
And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".
Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi
Could just lynch MiX, it is Monday after all.
No they don't contradictI'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.
And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".
Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi
Unfortunately, the very few posts with Jordan Content 0 (just learned about that in my analysis class, seems to fit the situation) doesn't make pubby scum. He lurks hardcore as scum and town.
that's not just lurking though. it's bringing up a subject, and then not having anything to say about that subject. he brought up faust, and then turned out not to have anything to say about faust. it's not just lurking, it's faking participation.
i'm voting mail-mi because i already made the argument to him that the case against pubby was not simply lurking, and he's continuing to characterize it as suchUnfortunately, the very few posts with Jordan Content 0 (just learned about that in my analysis class, seems to fit the situation) doesn't make pubby scum. He lurks hardcore as scum and town.
that's not just lurking though. it's bringing up a subject, and then not having anything to say about that subject. he brought up faust, and then turned out not to have anything to say about faust. it's not just lurking, it's faking participation.
So we're back to LALL?
No they don't contradictI'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.
And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".
Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi
grrrrr
*stomps feet*
*spins around in circle like rumpelstiltskin*
removing a disincentive for a behavior reinforces that behavior
and i'm not even arguing LALL (though i would happily lynch pubby)
but not lynching lurkers absolutely rewards lurking, how is this even a debate
and as a draggy game is good for scum, not lynching scum!lurkers doubly rewards scum!lurking.
whatever.
i'm voting mail-mi because i already made the argument to him that the case against pubby was not simply lurking, and he's continuing to characterize it as suchUnfortunately, the very few posts with Jordan Content 0 (just learned about that in my analysis class, seems to fit the situation) doesn't make pubby scum. He lurks hardcore as scum and town.
that's not just lurking though. it's bringing up a subject, and then not having anything to say about that subject. he brought up faust, and then turned out not to have anything to say about faust. it's not just lurking, it's faking participation.
i'm voting mail-mi because i already made the argument to him that the case against pubby was not simply lurking, and he's continuing to characterize it as suchUnfortunately, the very few posts with Jordan Content 0 (just learned about that in my analysis class, seems to fit the situation) doesn't make pubby scum. He lurks hardcore as scum and town.
that's not just lurking though. it's bringing up a subject, and then not having anything to say about that subject. he brought up faust, and then turned out not to have anything to say about faust. it's not just lurking, it's faking participation.
The case against pubby is lurking + this "faking participation." I see that and acknowledge it, that is why I am willing to jump on pubby should it be needed for the lynch, because he is doing more than just lurking. However, I think we have a higher chance of hitting scum in MiX, and so I will leave my vote there.
So, MiX, were you sincere in your scumreading of cayvie?
If you were town you would know I'm town by now. I know this because I'm town and after much unbiased deliberation I have come to the conclusion that I am town.
If you were town you would know I'm town by now. I know this because I'm town and after much unbiased deliberation I have come to the conclusion that I am town.
Ah, so all of mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, LaLight, pubby are scum, so we have a 5 person scumteam in a 14 player game, and all of us have decided to target-lynch you? Plus cayvie and WCD, who have scumread you at some point.
makes sense.
LALL?lynch all LaLights
Maybe we can all compromise with the lynch of an acti-lurker. Even though she cheers us up and makes everyone feel welcome, I have to say Didds' participation so far does look like acti-lurking to me. There are 38 posts. 8 or so move the game forward, imo, including two sheepy votes - on cayvie and me. I have a more detailed breakdown but didn't want to be obnoxious. She asks Galz to show up 5 times!
vote: Didds
She asks Galz to show up 5 times!To be fair, I totally get that sentiment. Galz tends to completely disappear for days on end. It is extremely annoying.
LALL?
Why is it an ugly spread?
In the interest of consolidation...
My list for lynch preference would be
1. EFHW (knowing my towniness makes me find her suspicious, but I’m the only one who knows that for sure so I get it. But I’m not scum so I don’t think I’m being scummy!)
2. Galzria (there is being busy and then there’s this. We we want to lynch lurkers, here’s the most productive place)
3. Mail-mi
4. Pubby (seems typical pubby to me, but that includes scum pubby)
5. Cayvie
6. Mix
Why is it an ugly spread?
I think it’s a lot of spread and like 15 or so hours remaining, which includes 8 ish hours when most of us are sleeping. Seems like when that happens we usually lynch town, so I’m a bit down about it.
I was kind of aghast earlier in the day when I realized it was a 9 or 10 day long D1, and turns out it doesn’t matter. We just wait until the end regardless of when it is
:/
Well, if you’re argument is that it should be pubby or mail-mi, I think your pubby argument is stronger.
I didn’t hammer you because I don’t think you’re scum! When you have been, I have known it. I know I’m getting confused between games, but I’m just not feeling it. Besides, I’d rather play with people i read somewhat better than against them (the ulti-buddy, I know).
I’m writing down EFHW’s evilness and Pubby’s Towny-ness in my handy dandy notebook.
vote: pubbyWhy'd you switch?
I’m writing down EFHW’s evilness and Pubby’s Towny-ness in my handy dandy notebook.
I apologize for being scare. Two games and the swift switch to online teaching have kicked my ass a little bit. But if not being as available as we had hoped is full on scummy, I’m not at the top of that list.who is?
I apologize for being scare. Two games and the swift switch to online teaching have kicked my ass a little bit. But if not being as available as we had hoped is full on scummy, I’m not at the top of that list.who is?
@didds you might have missed thisvote: pubbyWhy'd you switch?
@didds you might have missed thisvote: pubbyWhy'd you switch?
a thousand times why?I’m writing down EFHW’s evilness and Pubby’s Towny-ness in my handy dandy notebook.
Vote: EFHW
I apologize for being scare. Two games and the swift switch to online teaching have kicked my ass a little bit. But if not being as available as we had hoped is full on scummy, I’m not at the top of that list.who is?
Galz, by like a mile
Depending on how the rest of the day goes, I may have a claim to make.
So don't hammer anyone without warning please thx.
It seems like mix or pubby at this point, which is kind of meh.You can be the cahnge you wish to see in the world!
Pubby would definitely be a low-activity lynch, and mix would be a... MiX lynch.
Vote: pubby
It seems like mix or pubby at this point, which is kind of meh.Yeah that's L-1.
Pubby would definitely be a low-activity lynch, and mix would be a... MiX lynch.
Vote: pubby
I don't think I'm voting anything other than MiX/Cayvie today.Well, dig your own grave then.
I don't think I'm voting anything other than MiX/Cayvie today.Are you at all interested in sharing thought/reads, or maybe in answering some questions that were directed at you, or really in any kind of activity that will benefit town? I'll be around for a while and my vote is not set in stone. Convince me you're town.
Sorry, you don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility for this mislynch.I don't think I'm voting anything other than MiX/Cayvie today.Are you at all interested in sharing thought/reads, or maybe in answering some questions that were directed at you, or really in any kind of activity that will benefit town? I'll be around for a while and my vote is not set in stone. Convince me you're town.
Neither does pubby.Sorry, you don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility for this mislynch.I don't think I'm voting anything other than MiX/Cayvie today.Are you at all interested in sharing thought/reads, or maybe in answering some questions that were directed at you, or really in any kind of activity that will benefit town? I'll be around for a while and my vote is not set in stone. Convince me you're town.
How are you so sure pubby is town?Being purposefully obnoxious and cryptic is almost never a scum trait.
In Ash’s spirit:I'd have preferred if you channelled ash's spirit for a good old self-vote.
Vote: pubby
This is crazy!!
Hi Space! Happy birthday week! We’ve missed you!
vote: Efoo (EFHW)
vote: Efoo (EFHW)Wait just one minute! I feel like you shouldn't get to make unexplained votes after being MIA all Day 1.
Since the lack of case on me Day 1 was attributed to it being day 1, how will you explain it now?vote: Efoo (EFHW)
Sure vote: efhw
vote: Efoo (EFHW)Wait just one minute! I feel like you shouldn't get to make unexplained votes after being MIA all Day 1.
That makes Space an IC, right?
Also, I swear if someone Vig’d MiX Ima be real sad.
Also also, would ya look at that? Pubby was town.
Who woulda thunk’d it.
Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent it
Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
Except there is not a chance in this world that you were ever going to be the replacement lynch there.
Except there is not a chance in this world that you were ever going to be the replacement lynch there.
Oh I very strongly disagree with that sentiment, although I appreciate it nonetheless. Faust is in a different time zone than I am, and Faust often gets what he wants. I’m not at all convinced I wouldn’t have been the lynch choice there - and honestly, it wasn’t worth the risk.
Let's see if I do.Except there is not a chance in this world that you were ever going to be the replacement lynch there.
Oh I very strongly disagree with that sentiment, although I appreciate it nonetheless. Faust is in a different time zone than I am, and Faust often gets what he wants. I’m not at all convinced I wouldn’t have been the lynch choice there - and honestly, it wasn’t worth the risk.
Also note the different flavors for the kills. One says "shot and killed", and the other just "killed". Uh, and cayvie has a gun...
Also also, would ya look at that? Pubby was town.Who indeed.
Who woulda thunk’d it.
That makes Space an IC, right?
Also, I swear if someone Vig’d MiX Ima be real sad.
Also also, would ya look at that? Pubby was town.
Who woulda thunk’d it.
I am not responsible for either death last night.
Also note the different flavors for the kills. One says "shot and killed", and the other just "killed". Uh, and cayvie has a gun...
yep, and i shot EFHW last night. and it was confirmed to me that i hit my target. so that's why i'm suspecting bus driving.
Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
This is crazy!!
Hi Space! Happy birthday week! We’ve missed you!
When is their birthday (if it’s not private)???
Happy birthday Space!!! It’s XxxRaptor’s birthday in 9 days (you didn’t hear that from me!) and we’re planning a virtual Office Olympics with him.
Hey space, welcome back.
Do youuuu have any idea why you are in the game now as opposed to before?
Your rights are clear. I'm talking about how it feels. How about you go through Day 1 and let us know where you stand on things? This vote on me seems opportunistic.vote: Efoo (EFHW)Wait just one minute! I feel like you shouldn't get to make unexplained votes after being MIA all Day 1.
My being MIA D1 shouldn’t necessitate my only being allowed to vote D2 if I explain myself.
And I'll put this out there: I'm 90 percent sure there's a scum bus driver out there.It does seem like your shot was redirected (or something. I don't know what that something would be), but how does that make me scum?
Well, well. The plot thickens. We should keep in mind though that there are things other than Bus Driving that can redirect powers.What are you thinking of?
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
i'm jelly. i have a bunch of powers but they've all got like a 50% chance of backfiring on me.
like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
i'm pretty sure i just shouldn't use this power. maybe ever?
so that's me, the clumsy crazy girl with a gun! watch out, i might blow my own face off.
i feel like a call of cthulhu RPG character who wandered into a mafia game lol.
my role is pretty straightforward, boring :((((
i'm jelly. i have a bunch of powers but they've all got like a 50% chance of backfiring on me.
like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
i'm pretty sure i just shouldn't use this power. maybe ever?
so that's me, the clumsy crazy girl with a gun! watch out, i might blow my own face off.
i feel like a call of cthulhu RPG character who wandered into a mafia game lol.
From this description of your role, there's no way you can be so sure there was redirection. Your shot only kills 25% of the time.
Staying on Galz but eying cayvie as well.
Well, Redirector, Deflector, Lightnight Rod, Nexus, to name a few. And also this is an ashersky game so it could be a variant on any of them.Well, well. The plot thickens. We should keep in mind though that there are things other than Bus Driving that can redirect powers.What are you thinking of?
Faust, is Galz more vote-worthy or less vote-worthy than yesterday? Or the same?More.
Lightnight Rod,
Between Uncle and faust, that's a fair bit of shade on Galz for reasons that appear thin-to-nonexistent. What am I missing?Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
"I usually think this is townie"
"You are scummy for doing this"
Just an observation or calling galzria scummy without voting.
Both of which I do think are scummy
cayvie, still thinking EFHW is scummy because she's alive?
So are you asking me a question, or are you making a point?
I am not responsible for either death last night.Also note the different flavors for the kills. One says "shot and killed", and the other just "killed". Uh, and cayvie has a gun...
yep, and i shot EFHW last night. and it was confirmed to me that i hit my target. so that's why i'm suspecting bus driving.
These don't seem to line up.
Which is it? You think you were redirected/bus drove/whatever onto MiX or you think that you were not responsible for either death?
Well, Redirector, Deflector, Lightnight Rod, Nexus, to name a few. And also this is an ashersky game so it could be a variant on any of them.Well, well. The plot thickens. We should keep in mind though that there are things other than Bus Driving that can redirect powers.What are you thinking of?
cayvie, still thinking EFHW is scummy because she's alive?
i think she's scummy because i suspect she was bus driven with MiX.
i think if there's a scum busdriver, they're likely to switch town and scum. and MiX was town.
cayvie, still thinking EFHW is scummy because she's alive?
i think she's scummy because i suspect she was bus driven with MiX.
i think if there's a scum busdriver, they're likely to switch town and scum. and MiX was town.
I mean, I think it is more likely in this order (under the assumption that you are actually town):
1) You were re directed by skum in some way. like as in a role where they get to target you and then a new target. I think that is just re director but not sure. That is just because you had the claimed vig shot. So they could pick you and another town and if you fire it is like defense off of you possibly hitting any of them.
2) Bus driver could be an option. But I do not think that really paints EFHW as so skummy. Or at least not any more than not skummy. I think skum bus driver there could either put it off of efhw onto town or it could be skum bus driver from town to town just to attempt to mess with stuff.
3) town bus driver
4) other stuff
Questions:
a) Does anyone have any info regarding the other death?
b) Cayvie - you originally said you have a 25% chance of killing the target. Is that correct? Or is it 50% chance to hit and then if hit 50% chance to kill (I get that is 25%, but it could make a difference)?
c) EFHW - did you get anything from the 75% loud modifier?
d) If skum-x targets town-x with a NK, then skum bus driver switches town-x with town-y... then town-tracker tracks skum-x... what result does tracker get? the original target or the target the bus driver switched to?
c) no message
What's the difference between bus driver and redirector?
cayvie, still thinking EFHW is scummy because she's alive?
i think she's scummy because i suspect she was bus driven with MiX.
i think if there's a scum busdriver, they're likely to switch town and scum. and MiX was town.
I mean, I think it is more likely in this order (under the assumption that you are actually town):
1) You were re directed by skum in some way. like as in a role where they get to target you and then a new target. I think that is just re director but not sure. That is just because you had the claimed vig shot. So they could pick you and another town and if you fire it is like defense off of you possibly hitting any of them.
2) Bus driver could be an option. But I do not think that really paints EFHW as so skummy. Or at least not any more than not skummy. I think skum bus driver there could either put it off of efhw onto town or it could be skum bus driver from town to town just to attempt to mess with stuff.
3) town bus driver
4) other stuff
Questions:
a) Does anyone have any info regarding the other death?
b) Cayvie - you originally said you have a 25% chance of killing the target. Is that correct? Or is it 50% chance to hit and then if hit 50% chance to kill (I get that is 25%, but it could make a difference)?
c) EFHW - did you get anything from the 75% loud modifier?
d) If skum-x targets town-x with a NK, then skum bus driver switches town-x with town-y... then town-tracker tracks skum-x... what result does tracker get? the original target or the target the bus driver switched to?
i think it is a less than 1% chance that i was redirected. a bus driver is far more likely.
b: it is the second. 50% to hit, then 50% to kill. and i guess i find out if i hit but not necessarily if i killed (didn't know that before last night)
What's the difference between bus driver and redirector?
*If I understand it correctly*
RD - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Any actions Player A takes now target to Player B.
Bus Driver - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Anything Player A was targeted with now targets Player B instead.
So, the distinction is taking someone you that is TAKING AN ACTION and forcing them to target someone else, vs taking someone who is TARGETED BY AN ACTION and forcing that action onto someone else. I think at least.
What's the difference between bus driver and redirector?
*If I understand it correctly*
RD - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Any actions Player A takes now target to Player B.
Bus Driver - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Anything Player A was targeted with now targets Player B instead.
So, the distinction is taking someone you that is TAKING AN ACTION and forcing them to target someone else, vs taking someone who is TARGETED BY AN ACTION and forcing that action onto someone else. I think at least.
Whenever I mod with a bus driver, it's worked like if you busdrive A and B, all actions player A takes target player B and all actions B takes targets player A.
Is there a reason you think it is so unlikely you were not targeted by a re director? I could be missing something, but I feel as if you would of been a prime target for a skum RD after you claimed what you did.
What's the difference between bus driver and redirector?
*If I understand it correctly*
RD - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Any actions Player A takes now target to Player B.
Bus Driver - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Anything Player A was targeted with now targets Player B instead.
So, the distinction is taking someone you that is TAKING AN ACTION and forcing them to target someone else, vs taking someone who is TARGETED BY AN ACTION and forcing that action onto someone else. I think at least.
Whenever I mod with a bus driver, it's worked like if you busdrive A and B, all actions player A takes target player B and all actions B takes targets player A.
i am using Bus Driver to refer to "all actions that would target A target B instead and vice versa"Is there a reason you think it is so unlikely you were not targeted by a re director? I could be missing something, but I feel as if you would of been a prime target for a skum RD after you claimed what you did.
yes, there is a reason. i took more than one targeted action last night.
What's the difference between bus driver and redirector?
*If I understand it correctly*
RD - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Any actions Player A takes now target to Player B.
Bus Driver - Pick Player A, Pick Player B. Anything Player A was targeted with now targets Player B instead.
So, the distinction is taking someone you that is TAKING AN ACTION and forcing them to target someone else, vs taking someone who is TARGETED BY AN ACTION and forcing that action onto someone else. I think at least.
Whenever I mod with a bus driver, it's worked like if you busdrive A and B, all actions player A takes target player B and all actions B takes targets player A.
i am using Bus Driver to refer to "all actions that would target A target B instead and vice versa"Is there a reason you think it is so unlikely you were not targeted by a re director? I could be missing something, but I feel as if you would of been a prime target for a skum RD after you claimed what you did.
yes, there is a reason. i took more than one targeted action last night.
So if bus driver is swapping then i get it. I still think re director is a likely candidate. What am i missing on that? Am i just being dumb?
Skum A shoots someone.
You target efoo
Skum B RDs your shot to the other death.
Why is that not plausible?
because presumably if a redirector gave the order "redirect cayvie to MiX", then *all* my actions would target MiX. which didn't happen.
because presumably if a redirector gave the order "redirect cayvie to MiX", then *all* my actions would target MiX. which didn't happen.
That does make your specific bus driver theory much more likely
cayvie: Can you confirm that your kill would show up flavored as "shot and killed"?
EFHW: What is your read on cayvie?
because presumably if a redirector gave the order "redirect cayvie to MiX", then *all* my actions would target MiX. which didn't happen.
OK. I think I get it? I am not gonna ask the obvious question here, because I don't see what would be gained from anyone answering at this point.
because presumably if a redirector gave the order "redirect cayvie to MiX", then *all* my actions would target MiX. which didn't happen.
OK. I think I get it? I am not gonna ask the obvious question here, because I don't see what would be gained from anyone answering at this point.Vote: E!
Are these posts related? Because you will have to explain it a bit more for me
because presumably if a redirector gave the order "redirect cayvie to MiX", then *all* my actions would target MiX. which didn't happen.
OK. I think I get it? I am not gonna ask the obvious question here, because I don't see what would be gained from anyone answering at this point.Vote: E!
Are these posts related? Because you will have to explain it a bit more for me
They are not related.
damn we are bad at that. fail again.
No - the cayvie quote is not related to the vote on you.
cayvie: Can you confirm that your kill would show up flavored as "shot and killed"?
EFHW: What is your read on cayvie?
If I get really creative, I can imagine she shot MiX and is using this story to lynch me!cayvie: Can you confirm that your kill would show up flavored as "shot and killed"?
EFHW: What is your read on cayvie?
I have OMGUS toward cayvie. I'm frustrated because I don't know what happened, and she, in my opinion, is overvaluing her explanation.
I didn't.
because presumably if a redirector gave the order "redirect cayvie to MiX", then *all* my actions would target MiX. which didn't happen.
That does make your specific bus driver theory much more likely
Did anyone else target EFHW/MiX? Could potentially confirm cayvie's claim
vote: Efoo (EFHW)Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?
vote: Efoo (EFHW)Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?
Double post for emphasis.
I need to reread EFHW for myself. I think this cayvie claim is NAI.
I need to reread EFHW for myself. I think this cayvie claim is NAI.
NAI for EFHW or NAI for me?
Reread Galzria myself, and I can see the votes.
Scummary to get into the game D1. Overreacting to votes against him.
I can sheep faust
Vote: Galzria
vote: Efoo (EFHW)Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?
vote: Efoo (EFHW)Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?
I understand the EFHW votes and the Galz votes....but, DatSwan, why e?
Cayvie is in my town bucket now.... so I’m not buying that she is setting up a town EFHW.
I think they've all got communication figured out, As all around!Double post for emphasis.
Saying it twice makes it better. In the words of my students “so, do you like like him?”
It does not match what I recall from your day1 stances, and came in unexplained. What's giving you that vibe? VCA? reread? If you have a case, it does not seem like you're trying very hard to push it.vote: Efoo (EFHW)Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?
Mmm, let's call it a vibe. I mean, I suppose vibes can be wrong. I need to re-map what's been claimed so far.
Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent ityo
unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
You could be scumbuddies with efhw.Except there is not a chance in this world that you were ever going to be the replacement lynch there.
Oh I very strongly disagree with that sentiment, although I appreciate it nonetheless. Faust is in a different time zone than I am, and Faust often gets what he wants. I’m not at all convinced I wouldn’t have been the lynch choice there - and honestly, it wasn’t worth the risk.
Further to that point:
If I at all shared your opinion there, then there would’ve been no reason for me to put myself into the scrutiny that hammering there does.
Now, there’s an infinite amount of WIFOM there from me making that argument - but if you honestly believe what you yourself have stated then you must equally acknowledge the validity of my statement above.
unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
It does not match what I recall from your day1 stances, and came in unexplained. What's giving you that vibe? VCA? reread? If you have a case, it does not seem like you're trying very hard to push it.vote: Efoo (EFHW)Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?
Mmm, let's call it a vibe. I mean, I suppose vibes can be wrong. I need to re-map what's been claimed so far.
unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
You for real, boo?unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.
To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.
Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.
unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.
To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.
Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.
You for real, boo?unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.
I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.
But it's unlikely anyway so
vote: efhw after all
I guess MIX didn’t die after all.
that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.
To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.
Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?And what would you be needing IC thoughts for?
Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2Sound like you're jealous...
Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2Sound like you're jealous...
Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2Sound like you're jealous...
I think you are mistaken jealousy for curiosity on this one.
If a mod-confirmed town-aligned person changes alignments, will we be informed?
Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
It wasn’t a bad hammer. It was 5 hours to deadline, with talk of a shift towards me. I hammered at 2:00am my time, deadline was at 7:00am. I had to sleep. I’ve seen more wagons than I can recount switch in the final 5 hours. I wasn’t willing to take that chance. As there was an infinitely better chance of Pubby flipping scum than me, there was absolutely no second thought to that hammer.
Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2Sound like you're jealous...
I think you are mistaken jealousy for curiosity on this one.
What is curious about it?
Does it make EFHW more or less likely scum in your opinion?
i think if there's a scum busdriver, they're likely to switch town and scum. and MiX was town.is that standard practice (ignoring game specific variables) is for scum bus drivers to switch a townie with a scummie because it creates maximum chaos with cops, trackers, and the like, who will get incriminating results on townies and clearing results on scum. There is no compelling reason to think scum would act differently this game. You seem to be assuming that scum's entire goal for busdriving was to defend against a 1-shot 25% accurate vig that might not shoot at all due to a chance she would kill herself.
Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent ityo
Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
This was the other reference to a message. Did you get a response, Eddie?
Given Day 1 info, mix would be a good choice if the idea was to iso the wagons to let's say... the other potential wagons on the day. Outside of that, there isn't really a reason for skum to do it right? I mean mix derailed at a crucial time and they could of just left them alive and painted them up. But, in this scenario, they chose to move the shot to MiX. So who would they hope to set up? Probably EFHW and a back up of galz as he popped up on radar a shit ton of times from people. and look at that... its EFHW and Galz. I accept the reach of all of that, so the merit I am putting into it at this point is smallish.If scum used a Bus Driver/Deflector/whatever, then I strongly doubt it was with cayvie's role in mind. The main upside of of redirection is usually screwig with investigative results.
We're talking about the same message (95% sure)Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent ityo
Can we verify that you two are talking about the same message?
So you agree one of cayvie/efhw is very likely scum?Given Day 1 info, mix would be a good choice if the idea was to iso the wagons to let's say... the other potential wagons on the day. Outside of that, there isn't really a reason for skum to do it right? I mean mix derailed at a crucial time and they could of just left them alive and painted them up. But, in this scenario, they chose to move the shot to MiX. So who would they hope to set up? Probably EFHW and a back up of galz as he popped up on radar a shit ton of times from people. and look at that... its EFHW and Galz. I accept the reach of all of that, so the merit I am putting into it at this point is smallish.If scum used a Bus Driver/Deflector/whatever, then I strongly doubt it was with cayvie's role in mind. The main upside of of redirection is usually screwig with investigative results.
It is very much possible, yes.So you agree one of cayvie/efhw is very likely scum?Given Day 1 info, mix would be a good choice if the idea was to iso the wagons to let's say... the other potential wagons on the day. Outside of that, there isn't really a reason for skum to do it right? I mean mix derailed at a crucial time and they could of just left them alive and painted them up. But, in this scenario, they chose to move the shot to MiX. So who would they hope to set up? Probably EFHW and a back up of galz as he popped up on radar a shit ton of times from people. and look at that... its EFHW and Galz. I accept the reach of all of that, so the merit I am putting into it at this point is smallish.If scum used a Bus Driver/Deflector/whatever, then I strongly doubt it was with cayvie's role in mind. The main upside of of redirection is usually screwig with investigative results.
I appreciate Swan thinking out loud. Seeing his thought process helps, and I see that he’s trying to think
through the EFHW choice. I think it’s too much work for him to be buddies with EFHW and if he’s scum, it’s a weird move.
I trust Cayvie and I believe her claim.I believe cayvie's claim too; but that doesn't mean her analysis is correct. You think that EFHW must be scum because cayvie tried to shoot her??
Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.
Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.
It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.
If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,
This was the other reference to a message. Did you get a response, Eddie?
Indeed, there was a slight hiccup, but I can confirm that the name attached to my message was truthful.
I assumed that would be the case, but I wanted to make sure. The content of the message was too... odd, for me to take it at face value.
I'm not voting for EFHW right now. The Galz business is 8x more exciting than this.
vote: Galzria
And Didds too; I'd vote Didds
I appreciate Swan thinking out loud. Seeing his thought process helps, and I see that he’s trying to think
through the EFHW choice. I think it’s too much work for him to be buddies with EFHW and if he’s scum, it’s a weird move.
IS it??
I'm not voting for EFHW right now. The Galz business is 8x more exciting than this.
vote: Galzria
And Didds too; I'd vote Didds
I also could vote Didds. Probably for a different reason than yours, but still.
I'm not voting for EFHW right now. The Galz business is 8x more exciting than this.
vote: Galzria
And Didds too; I'd vote Didds
@Cayvie, who was your original target, if you don’t mind me asking?
I wonder if everyone has two powers, and there are two scum redirectors, one that does the first power and one that does the second power. They both targeted cayvie because they wanted to guarantee that they would intercept the shot.
They sent the other power at someone else just to make sure that they caused max chaos.
Just a working theory.
@Cayvie, who was your original target, if you don’t mind me asking?
it was mail-mi.
unvote
(Now 70% sure)We're talking about the same message (95% sure)Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent ityo
Can we verify that you two are talking about the same message?
i think it is a less than 1% chance that i was redirected. a bus driver is far more likely.
b: it is the second. 50% to hit, then 50% to kill. and i guess i find out if i hit but not necessarily if i killed (didn't know that before last night)
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?And what would you be needing IC thoughts for?
(Now 70% sure)We're talking about the same message (95% sure)Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent ityo
Can we verify that you two are talking about the same message?
Town points to cayvie for unvoting. Is that the opposite of OMGUS? OMGUG: Oh my God, you're great?
(Hi!)(Hi! I made a quick introduction in the beginning of the game.)
Nope. (2%)(Now 70% sure)We're talking about the same message (95% sure)Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent ityo
Can we verify that you two are talking about the same message?
did your message mention signatures?
Was the thing you got an education?@Cayvie, who was your original target, if you don’t mind me asking?
it was mail-mi.
unvote
For your message? I didn't get anything, so looks like it was redirected.
I did get something else laast night, though, but I'm not going to share what it is, I think it would be better to keep it a secret for now
speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?
Yep :-)speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?And what would you be needing IC thoughts for?
To be fair, I was being a little quiet.
How many others haven't played with Cayvie before? I think both Cayvie and Skip are new for me. (Hi!)
Was the thing you got an education?@Cayvie, who was your original target, if you don’t mind me asking?
it was mail-mi.
unvote
For your message? I didn't get anything, so looks like it was redirected.
I did get something else laast night, though, but I'm not going to share what it is, I think it would be better to keep it a secret for now
yoWas the thing you got an education?@Cayvie, who was your original target, if you don’t mind me asking?
it was mail-mi.
unvote
For your message? I didn't get anything, so looks like it was redirected.
I did get something else laast night, though, but I'm not going to share what it is, I think it would be better to keep it a secret for now
Yes.
So to sum up the current claims:I think that it's unlikely that we have something redirecting all powers. The common link here would be cayvie, so it seems like something happened to her. Also, it might be relevant that skip's ultimate target ended up being one of cayvie's targets.
I target cayvie but end up on mail-mi.
cayvie targets mail-mi but ends up on eddie.
cayvie targets efhw but ends up on MiX.
Fun.
Sounds good.So to sum up the current claims:I think that it's unlikely that we have something redirecting all powers. The common link here would be cayvie, so it seems like something happened to her. Also, it might be relevant that skip's ultimate target ended up being one of cayvie's targets.
I target cayvie but end up on mail-mi.
cayvie targets mail-mi but ends up on eddie.
cayvie targets efhw but ends up on MiX.
Fun.
So to sum up the current claims:
I target cayvie but end up on mail-mi.
cayvie targets mail-mi but ends up on eddie.
cayvie targets efhw but ends up on MiX.
Fun.
Sounds good.So to sum up the current claims:I think that it's unlikely that we have something redirecting all powers. The common link here would be cayvie, so it seems like something happened to her. Also, it might be relevant that skip's ultimate target ended up being one of cayvie's targets.
I target cayvie but end up on mail-mi.
cayvie targets mail-mi but ends up on eddie.
cayvie targets efhw but ends up on MiX.
Fun.
There's also a message cayvie has claimed to have recieved that nobody has claimed to have sent. That could also have been a redirection, although it might not fit so neatly into your theory.
Sounds good.So to sum up the current claims:I think that it's unlikely that we have something redirecting all powers. The common link here would be cayvie, so it seems like something happened to her. Also, it might be relevant that skip's ultimate target ended up being one of cayvie's targets.
I target cayvie but end up on mail-mi.
cayvie targets mail-mi but ends up on eddie.
cayvie targets efhw but ends up on MiX.
Fun.
There's also a message cayvie has claimed to have recieved that nobody has claimed to have sent. That could also have been a redirection, although it might not fit so neatly into your theory.
cayvie got the message from Eddie right? dude screw this crap I need like a damn whiteboard or something.
I tried to send a message to mail-mi, but eddie got it.
Skip tried to send a message to me, but mail-mi got it.
Also I got a message that nobody has claimed.
So either they are all skum, or cayvie is town right?Can you expand on why you think this follows?
I tried to send a message to mail-mi, but eddie got it.What if... all actions, instead of targeting the intended target, targeted whoever the target was targeting?
Skip tried to send a message to me, but mail-mi got it.
Also I got a message that nobody has claimed.
I tried to send a message to mail-mi, but eddie got it.What if... all actions, instead of targeting the intended target, targeted whoever the target was targeting?
Skip tried to send a message to me, but mail-mi got it.
Also I got a message that nobody has claimed.
So either they are all skum, or cayvie is town right?Can you expand on why you think this follows?
I tried to send a message to mail-mi, but eddie got it.What if... all actions, instead of targeting the intended target, targeted whoever the target was targeting?
Skip tried to send a message to me, but mail-mi got it.
Also I got a message that nobody has claimed.
what did you mean? Why would the fact that you took multiple targeted actions last night preclude the possibility of you being targeted by a redirector? At the time, I thought you meant that you knew your other action had hit its intended target, and therefore you must not have been redirected, but later it became clear that your intended target was mail-mi and you actually hit eddie. So if you had no verification that you hit your intended target, how'd you know you weren't redirected?Is there a reason you think it is so unlikely you were not targeted by a re director? I could be missing something, but I feel as if you would of been a prime target for a skum RD after you claimed what you did.
yes, there is a reason. i took more than one targeted action last night.
There's still something bothering me.
@cayvie, when you made this postwhat did you mean? Why would the fact that you took multiple targeted actions last night preclude the possibility of you being targeted by a redirector? At the time, I thought you meant that you knew your other action had hit its intended target, and therefore you must not have been redirected, but later it became clear that your intended target was mail-mi and you actually hit eddie. So if you had no verification that you hit your intended target, how'd you know you weren't redirected?Is there a reason you think it is so unlikely you were not targeted by a re director? I could be missing something, but I feel as if you would of been a prime target for a skum RD after you claimed what you did.
yes, there is a reason. i took more than one targeted action last night.
I really suspect, though, that I was targeted by some chaos beam or something that made everything that touched me go awry
So then, how could you suspect this?I really suspect, though, that I was targeted by some chaos beam or something that made everything that touched me go awry
Yes I know the post was made later in the day with more information and you initially thought there was a bus driver.So then, how could you suspect this?I really suspect, though, that I was targeted by some chaos beam or something that made everything that touched me go awry
vote: skip wooznum
because that post was made much later in the day, with far more information? initially, if you'll recall, i simply thought there was a bus driver.
Yes I know the post was made later in the day with more information and you initially thought there was a bus driver.So then, how could you suspect this?I really suspect, though, that I was targeted by some chaos beam or something that made everything that touched me go awry
vote: skip wooznum
because that post was made much later in the day, with far more information? initially, if you'll recall, i simply thought there was a bus driver.
My point is that whatever evidence you had for believing at the beginning of the day that there was only a 1% chance you were redirected (the implication is some other action(s) that you know hit its target) presumably didn't vanish. And at the beginning of the day it was strong enough evidence for you to be 99% confident. So how does all this new information explain how you could have been targeted with a chaos beam, as you say, and yet still hit your other target(s)?
I'm sorry if I framed your posts in a way that made it unclear that much time had elapsed between them. That's not what I was trying to do.
I am not going to claim what I did last night, other than receive an education.I tried to send a message to mail-mi, but eddie got it.What if... all actions, instead of targeting the intended target, targeted whoever the target was targeting?
Skip tried to send a message to me, but mail-mi got it.
Also I got a message that nobody has claimed.
I mean, mail-mi, did you try to target eddie?
EFHW, did you try to target MiX?
And perhaps someone tried to send a message to skip and it wound up coming to me?
I really suspect, though, that I was targeted by some chaos beam or something that made everything that touched me go awry
I am curious about Cayvie.
Knowing that her actions had to have been sent to two separate people is odd.
Plus why would she use the last word of the message she thought she sent to mail me in response to me.
Also, guys, just because you were on EFHW for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean that right reasons don’t exist.
I am curious about Cayvie.I was kind of wondering about that, too (the response to your post, not the bit about am I still scummy). What are you suggesting?
Knowing that her actions had to have been sent to two separate people is odd.
Plus why would she use the last word of the message she thought she sent to mail me in response to me.
Also, guys, just because you were on EFHW for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean that right reasons don’t exist.
Request prod on Galzria
As usual.
I am curious about Cayvie.
Knowing that her actions had to have been sent to two separate people is odd.
Plus why would she use the last word of the message she thought she sent to mail me in response to me.
Also, guys, just because you were on EFHW for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean that right reasons don’t exist.
I am curious about Cayvie.
Knowing that her actions had to have been sent to two separate people is odd.
Plus why would she use the last word of the message she thought she sent to mail me in response to me.
Also, guys, just because you were on EFHW for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean that right reasons don’t exist.
Well, yep, my role is odd.
I mean why wouldn't I answer your call for the last word in the message? Either you're talking about some other message and I give no information away, or you're talking about my message and we find out that the message found the wrong target. I see no downside.
I am curious about Cayvie.
Knowing that her actions had to have been sent to two separate people is odd.
Plus why would she use the last word of the message she thought she sent to mail me in response to me.
Also, guys, just because you were on EFHW for the wrong reasons doesn’t mean that right reasons don’t exist.
Well, yep, my role is odd.
I mean why wouldn't I answer your call for the last word in the message? Either you're talking about some other message and I give no information away, or you're talking about my message and we find out that the message found the wrong target. I see no downside.
Didn't it make you start to question the bus driver theory when the wrong person asked?
Apologies, Swan distracted me with Zoom calls with our students.
Hmmmmm, so. Message sending. Like, what's the point?You really sent a message with that vote.
vote: skip
Skip,I can confirm my initial target was cayvie but i still don't want to elaborate on my almost-claim yesterday. It doesn't really have bearing on anything happening today. It's just some technical detail having to do with my role that might have come into play yesterday but didn't. You can safely ignore it.
Given you were planning on claiming *something* at the end of D1, and now you've claimed to have sent a message to Cayvie N1 (which was redirected to Mail-Mi - Actually, hasn't been confirmed yet - can you confirm your initial target was Cayvie?), care to expand on what it is you were thinking as D1 came to a close?
Didds - I think this is the first time I've ever thought you were scum. Well, no - You used to have a different tick as scum, and then I divulged that, and you broke it. ;D But I'm pretty confident in this one - so, once I post it at game-end, I expect it won't last another game further. C'est la Vie. Like Mail-Mi said earlier, I'm playing for this game, not future ones.What's the benefit of revealing it at the end of the game as opposed to now?
Skip,Skip didn't want us to mistakenly lynch him before he could send his VERY IMPORTANT message about education
Given you were planning on claiming *something* at the end of D1, and now you've claimed to have sent a message to Cayvie N1 (which was redirected to Mail-Mi - Actually, hasn't been confirmed yet - can you confirm your initial target was Cayvie?), care to expand on what it is you were thinking as D1 came to a close?
Skip,Skip didn't want us to mistakenly lynch him before he could send his VERY IMPORTANT message about education
Given you were planning on claiming *something* at the end of D1, and now you've claimed to have sent a message to Cayvie N1 (which was redirected to Mail-Mi - Actually, hasn't been confirmed yet - can you confirm your initial target was Cayvie?), care to expand on what it is you were thinking as D1 came to a close?
Alright, might as well claim. Not really worried about being lynched, but think it's in town's best interest to have more knowledge at this point:Is their any benefit to another player for accepting the thing? You say that the QT keeps generating, does that mean that you can ask another player to take your mantle even if you're already dead?
I'm Anthony Walker, Delusional Humanist. I'm technically third-party, a Survivor variant. I (generally) have no active PR's, but at night, a random half of the living game's populace is placed into QT with a message about "ridding the Earth of Aliens", and provided a petition to do so (I am not guaranteed to be in this QT, as those of you who got it last night will know). My PR is active whether I am dead or alive (the QT's keep generating, even if I die), and if I can get 4 unique players to sign the petition at night, I can ASK (and it is THEIR CHOICE to accept) another player of my choosing to carry on for me in case of my death. Their alignment and win condition do NOT change if they accept, they simply ALSO bear me my win-condition (note, to be clear, it does NOT impact their win-condition): I win if I (or my Proxy) are alive at the end of the game and there are no Aliens left alive.
Alright, might as well claim. Not really worried about being lynched, but think it's in town's best interest to have more knowledge at this point:Is their any benefit to another player for accepting the thing? You say that the QT keeps generating, does that mean that you can ask another player to take your mantle even if you're already dead?
I'm Anthony Walker, Delusional Humanist. I'm technically third-party, a Survivor variant. I (generally) have no active PR's, but at night, a random half of the living game's populace is placed into QT with a message about "ridding the Earth of Aliens", and provided a petition to do so (I am not guaranteed to be in this QT, as those of you who got it last night will know). My PR is active whether I am dead or alive (the QT's keep generating, even if I die), and if I can get 4 unique players to sign the petition at night, I can ASK (and it is THEIR CHOICE to accept) another player of my choosing to carry on for me in case of my death. Their alignment and win condition do NOT change if they accept, they simply ALSO bear me my win-condition (note, to be clear, it does NOT impact their win-condition): I win if I (or my Proxy) are alive at the end of the game and there are no Aliens left alive.
Knowing how these setups work, I have a feeling we have another third party who is interested in the eradication of human life, or at the very least the survival of aliens.I'm doubtful that this is generally how these setups work. When I ran iZombie Mafia, the third party (who wanted only Zombies alive) was very fixated on the idea of a team that wants to kill all Zombies. But such a team did not exist.
Didds - I think this is the first time I've ever thought you were scum. Well, no - You used to have a different tick as scum, and then I divulged that, and you broke it. ;D But I'm pretty confident in this one - so, once I post it at game-end, I expect it won't last another game further. C'est la Vie. Like Mail-Mi said earlier, I'm playing for this game, not future ones.What's the benefit of revealing it at the end of the game as opposed to now?
Knowing how these setups work, I have a feeling we have another third party who is interested in the eradication of human life, or at the very least the survival of aliens.
Do you have more information as to how the petition thing works?
As in how many people need to sign it?
Or is it just a majority among the players in the group that matters?
What does it passing do?
PPE - ah, signing lets you choose them. So there is nothing to pass?
Do you only learn who signed, not who didn’t?
I think Galzria is generally telling the truth, obviously some things are confirmable with the QT and everything. I also think that there are things he's not telling us. In particular, I would be very surprised if all there was to the petition was giving Galzria a proxy to carry on if he dies; that seems like way too much mechanics for something that could have been implemented in a much easier fashion.
So I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.
Knowing how these setups work, I have a feeling we have another third party who is interested in the eradication of human life, or at the very least the survival of aliens.
Do you have more information as to how the petition thing works?
As in how many people need to sign it?
Or is it just a majority among the players in the group that matters?
What does it passing do?
PPE - ah, signing lets you choose them. So there is nothing to pass?
Do you only learn who signed, not who didn’t?
The players in the QT are a random half of living players rounded down.
According to my PR, each player is asked to “sign a petition promising to help eradicate the Earth of all Aliens”, or something to that affect. I’m not actually sure exactly how it’s worded.
I need a minimum of 4 unique signatures before my ability to ask a player to be my proxy activates. At this point I can ask any of the players who have signed to be my proxy in the case of my death.
I do not learn WHO, only the NUMBER of unique signatures. One person signed last night.
So I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
vote: galzSo I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
And also, how would you get 4 people to sign a petition that has no benefit for them?
vote: galzSo I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
And also, how would you get 4 people to sign a petition that has no benefit for them?
vote: galzSo I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
And also, how would you get 4 people to sign a petition that has no benefit for them?
I imagine if you saw a petition that said “do you want to stop all aliens?” Or whatever, that you would at least consider signing it.
vote: galzSo I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
And also, how would you get 4 people to sign a petition that has no benefit for them?
/shrug - I wasn’t in the QT last night, but somebody signed it anyway.
Am I L-1? I’ll hammer myself after I get a confirmation on my question from Ash. Like I said, dead or alive doesn’t matter to me.
These are weird to me. Clearly in the context of most settings, racism is a thing that the bad guys do? And that town therefore shouldn't indulge in?vote: galzSo I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
And also, how would you get 4 people to sign a petition that has no benefit for them?
I imagine if you saw a petition that said “do you want to stop all aliens?” Or whatever, that you would at least consider signing it.
I mean, if I were human (not claiming whether I am or not) my first reaction would probably be signing the petition just because it is cool and different.
I was not presented the option to sign it last night though.
These are weird to me. Clearly in the context of most settings, racism is a thing that the bad guys do? And that town therefore shouldn't indulge in?vote: galzSo I think I want to leave my vote on Galzria until he tells us the whole truth.This.
And also, how would you get 4 people to sign a petition that has no benefit for them?
I imagine if you saw a petition that said “do you want to stop all aliens?” Or whatever, that you would at least consider signing it.
I mean, if I were human (not claiming whether I am or not) my first reaction would probably be signing the petition just because it is cool and different.
I was not presented the option to sign it last night though.
Anyways, unvote. I want all things of the neighborhood claimed before the day ends.
Can an alien sign your petition?
Do signers know they might become your proxy?
Anyways, unvote. I want all things of the neighborhood claimed before the day ends.
Did you read the sentence after my unvote? Because that was supposed to be the reason for it.Anyways, unvote. I want all things of the neighborhood claimed before the day ends.
You say this petition is basically scummy (or at least anti-town) and then you unvote Galzria.
So...you believe his claim just don't think he is worth lynching?
I can’t decide if knowing who signed is something I should divulge or not, or even if I should reveal who the other two members were. I do know that the information will do little to influence people’s votes today.I think having all information is particularly relevant if it turns out that Galzria lied.
I can’t decide if knowing who signed is something I should divulge or not, or even if I should reveal who the other two members were. I do know that the information will do little to influence people’s votes today.I think having all information is particularly relevant if it turns out that Galzria lied.
I unvoted to prevent a self-hammer, which Galzria threatened.Galz was nowhere close to L-1, though, yeah?
Vote: Eddie
Votes: Day 1I kind of intended to use this as a resource but uh.... there are only 2 votes on pubby registered, and he was lynched. So I'll assume that data is compromised.
- e! – Cayvie (367), Pubby (502)
- MiX***Town*** – Pubby (58), Swan (85), LaLight (91), Pubby (108), faust (122), UncleEurope (155), e! (168), Cayvie (201), Galzria (276), Cayvie (278), Swan (305), Cayvie (307), EFHW (357), Pubby (470), EFHW (481)
- LaLight***Town*** – Cayvie (61), WCD (185), UncleEurope (230), MiX (319), EFHW (421), Pubby (487)
- WCD – Cayvie (235), EFHW (349), Pubby (479)
- Cayvie – LaLight (59), UncleEurope (140), MiX (246), Swan (299), Pubby (324), LaLight (407), EFHW (418), Mail-Mi (446), Pubby (478)
- Galzria – Cayvie (194), MiX (275), Pubby (514)
- Faust – WCD (118), Mail-Mi (210), MiX (296), EFHW (346), Mail-Mi (441), EFHW (498), Galzria (500)
- EFHW – Pubby (132), WCD (244), UncleEurope (436), WCD (464), Pubby (488)
- DatSwan – UncleEurope (149), MiX (295), Pubby (409)
- UncleEurope – Pubby (138), Mail-Mi (228), EFHW (231)
- Pubby***Town*** – Cayvie (124), MiX (320)
- Shraeye – MiX (273)
- Skip – UncleEurope (143), Pubby (331)
- Mail-Mi – MiX (60), Cayvie (198), MiX (219)
Space, can you provide a better vote overview?
What else happened when you were asleep?
What was the towniest reaction?
What was the most confusing interaction?
I agree with faust that he's holding back part of his role. I think he's mostly telling the truth though.What was the most confusing interaction?
Probably Skip. I don't know why he would just vote Galz and then up and leave. I also don't see why we would disbelieve Galz's claim, it seems honest.
Lots of stuff happened while I was asleep. I think Galz is telling the truth, and I'm feeling scummy about Eddie.
Now that we have an idea what the QT and petition are about (I was not in the QT), it changes how future QT members will think about signing.If galz is to be believed, naming a proxy won't have any effect on anybody other than galz. It just means galz would win if the the proxy stays alive and all aliens die. The proxy themselves could still lose, because their win con will not have changed.
Is there any motive for aliens to protect each other? Does alien A care if aliens B, C and D are killed? Is there someone out there with the wincon that {random number} aliens should survive?
It is against town's interests to claim human/alien, even though the humans' individual interests would be furthered by claiming. (I'm assuming mafia are as likely to be alien as town players are.) This is because Galz and his proxy would be motivated to vote people for reasons other than scumminess.
Galz is still a survivor in the alignment sense and we should lynch him as a wildcard who would take on mafia's agenda without hesitation if it looked promising. We also don't want him to have a chance to name a proxy, so no one should sign. (Here again the group interests are different from individual interests.)
... if I can get 4 unique players to sign the petition at night, I can ASK (and it is THEIR CHOICE to accept) another player of my choosing to carry on for me in case of my death. Their alignment and win condition do NOT change if they accept, they simply ALSO bear me my win-condition (note, to be clear, it does NOT impact their win-condition): I win if I (or my Proxy) are alive at the end of the game and there are no Aliens left alive.
...
It was my understanding that the person would also gain Galz’s win condition.
To be clear, can you win and your proxy lose? For example if they're endgamed.
Ok, glad I misunderstood that wincon thing. Can you choose a proxy after you die? Can you be in the qt after you die?
Didds - I think this is the first time I've ever thought you were scum. Well, no - You used to have a different tick as scum, and then I divulged that, and you broke it. ;D But I'm pretty confident in this one - so, once I post it at game-end, I expect it won't last another game further. C'est la Vie. Like Mail-Mi said earlier, I'm playing for this game, not future ones.What's the benefit of revealing it at the end of the game as opposed to now?
seconding this question. why should i vote didds based on what the survivor promises to tell me after game's end?
*shrugs*
You know as much as I do at this point, I have shared all I know.
In purely theoretical, I doubt they would have experienced an additional thingy.
Maybe an additional thingy would come into play at 4 signatures, but I have no idea.
I also think it’s likely that Galz is holding back something (I know I would), I just have no idea what it would be.
The main thing is that whatever is being hidden, if it exists, it doesn’t matter right now.I kind of matters whether Galzria is a Survivor or regular scum.
I was also in the QT. I did not sign, after listening to why someone signed and why Eddie did not. Ultimately, I did not sign because the petition has an abrasive, absolutist tone that is generally not my jam, plus I am risk-averse.So who signed?
I suspect that signing might result in negative consequences. I am curious as to why Eddie thinks it might not.
I was also in the QT. I did not sign, after listening to why someone signed and why Eddie did not. Ultimately, I did not sign because the petition has an abrasive, absolutist tone that is generally not my jam, plus I am risk-averse.So who signed?
I suspect that signing might result in negative consequences. I am curious as to why Eddie thinks it might not.
I was also in the QT. I did not sign, after listening to why someone signed and why Eddie did not. Ultimately, I did not sign because the petition has an abrasive, absolutist tone that is generally not my jam, plus I am risk-averse.So who signed?
I suspect that signing might result in negative consequences. I am curious as to why Eddie thinks it might not.
Fine. LL signed.
He is dead now.
There is probably a 4th person who remained silent.
Probably.
I'm sorry but I just don't get it.ebwop
Why would the proxy need to agree to be proxy? Them becoming proxy can have no effect on themselves nor on any other player other than galz. There's no need for them to give permission for something like that. The role as claimed makes no sense to me.
LaLight signed and then died. It may be a coincidence, but since he wasn't the only death last night, my guess is that signing = death. Its a way more direct line than the possibilities of maybe Cavyie's wandering shot.
Galz using LL as his example of what his win condition might do to someone made me itchy. Between him using that example and then voting for me, it sure seems like the folks in the QT were not unknown to him.
vote: Galz
LaLight signed and then died. It may be a coincidence, but since he wasn't the only death last night, my guess is that signing = death. Its a way more direct line than the possibilities of maybe Cavyie's wandering shot.
Galz using LL as his example of what his win condition might do to someone made me itchy. Between him using that example and then voting for me, it sure seems like the folks in the QT were not unknown to him.
vote: Galz
So you are postulating that the scum kill got blocked last night?
Or I guess that scum killed MiX and Cayvie didn’t do anything?
Because what I had been theorizing is that either you or our silent 4th saw the signing as a potential threat to the aliens on the scum team and decided to take steps.
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
You cannot win if you die here, why would you do that?
But why would anyone want to help you now?Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
You cannot win if you die here, why would you do that?
Of course I can. I can select my Proxy posthumously. The meetings continue to take place if I die. My PR is active in life and in death.
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
You cannot win if you die here, why would you do that?
Of course I can. I can select my Proxy posthumously. The meetings continue to take place if I die. My PR is active in life and in death.
But why would anyone want to help you now?Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
You cannot win if you die here, why would you do that?
Of course I can. I can select my Proxy posthumously. The meetings continue to take place if I die. My PR is active in life and in death.
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
I'm not scum. Lynching me would be pointless.
Signing your petition = death. I don't see how that is good for town at all. And why would anyone risk signing now when there is not benefit?
Why shouldn't they?Because if you're telling the truth, then it doesn't help anyone, and there's always the chance that you're lying and something more sinister happens when you sign the petition. So the smart thing is to not sign it.
Why shouldn't they?Because if you're telling the truth, then it doesn't help anyone, and there's always the chance that you're lying and something more sinister happens when you sign the petition. So the smart thing is to not sign it.
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
I'm not scum. Lynching me would be pointless.
Signing your petition = death. I don't see how that is good for town at all. And why would anyone risk signing now when there is not benefit?
You are scum, but I'm not going to have a debate with you about it.
Signing doesn't = death, but that's what you wanted to frame it as when you shot LL knowing he was signing it last night. That's cool. You can lynch me, I'll flip Anthony Walker, A Delusional Humanist. At night, the meeting QT will still be generated, and the petition will still go out. Everything I've claimed will happen will continue to happen. People will probably sign it in secret, just to prove you wrong (and me right) because that's how people are. Tomorrow, you'll get lynched, and you'll flip scum - clearing everything I've stated as being true, as I'll flip what I've claimed, and you'll flip whatever flavor of scum you actually are.
Why shouldn't they?Because if you're telling the truth, then it doesn't help anyone, and there's always the chance that you're lying and something more sinister happens when you sign the petition. So the smart thing is to not sign it.
If he flips third party, there's still no guarantee that he didn't lie.Why shouldn't they?Because if you're telling the truth, then it doesn't help anyone, and there's always the chance that you're lying and something more sinister happens when you sign the petition. So the smart thing is to not sign it.
Well, they might sign it after he flips, if his claim.
Do you think Galz is the best lynch for today?
So fact check me here galz, that was a lot of words in a row to catch up on...
1) You currently have survivor win con or whatever, but you need to be alive when all aliens are dead.
1a) if you get a proxy, they can act in your stead for that same win con
----QUESTION: Do they need to fufill their own win con still to win? Or just your win con? Or do they literally change nothing and you just get a puppet or whatever?
2) Each night, alive or dead, 1/3 of the population will get this petition thingy giving them a chance to sign.
QUESTIONS:
a) Assuming you get your 4 signs, does it continue to send and make a QT each night for the rest of the game. Like tonight, you get 3 more. Tomorrow night it sends again or no?
b) You need 4 TOTAL signs right? like not 4 in a night?
c) To the best of your knowledge, there is ABSOLUTELY NO RAMIFICATIONS AT ALL for signing the document?
3) If you get 4 signs then you get the ability to ask someone to be a proxy.
QUESTIONS:
a) How are you going to know who to ask if you never know who is in the groups?
b) Furthing on that, since you said that you can still ask someone after death.... like you wouldn't even be able to ask in thread for someone to speak up... so just anything on how that works at all?
c) How many times can you ask. I.E. - if tomorrow you get "3 more" and now you have 4. Can you just start cycling through people until you hopefully find a yes? or is it x shot?
d) how does the question of "will you be my proxy queen" get sent? do you submit to Ash? is it in game thread?
4) You opened your claim with making your "case" on WCD, which I do not agree with at all, but whatever that is not the point. Everything you did actually does line up with having the mindset of trying to find skum. At first I think it didn't, but thinking it over, it makes sense. You look into you top likely case, post it first, then post up the claim and then point out that you ofc want skum to get lynched. All that is fine... here are the issues.
a) I do not think you are gonna get skum out of WCD here, which of course is just clashing opinions, but makes me weary of your "read".
b) If your win con is "be alive when all the Aliens are dead", and as you said you believe there are Town and Skum Aliens... how do you see this claim working out for you? Real question, I did rough math, but I am sure you did it better before you claimed. Like on the ven diagram of things, I don't think that works in your favor right? Potential roles that would not want to sign your thing, unless I am missing something, include [Town Alien, Skum Alien, or like non-Alien skum]. Players on the possible sign list would be [Non-Alien Town.... and others?]. So yeah, I guess the question is... because you were not close enough to lynch to feel pressure at the time of claim... why not hold onto this info for a while? What did you gain here?
c) If I understand how this all works... which I probably don't... you are essentially just asking for help on the promise that you are tellilng the truth here right? Like there is absolutely no gain or loss for players that sign and/or agree to proxy you?
Sorry that is a lot and apologies if you embedded them in you thought process, but if I could just get some quick yes/no clarifications it would settle my mind a lot.
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
I'm not scum. Lynching me would be pointless.
Signing your petition = death. I don't see how that is good for town at all. And why would anyone risk signing now when there is not benefit?
You are scum, but I'm not going to have a debate with you about it.
Signing doesn't = death, but that's what you wanted to frame it as when you shot LL knowing he was signing it last night. That's cool. You can lynch me, I'll flip Anthony Walker, A Delusional Humanist. At night, the meeting QT will still be generated, and the petition will still go out. Everything I've claimed will happen will continue to happen. People will probably sign it in secret, just to prove you wrong (and me right) because that's how people are. Tomorrow, you'll get lynched, and you'll flip scum - clearing everything I've stated as being true, as I'll flip what I've claimed, and you'll flip whatever flavor of scum you actually are.
Wow...you are the delusional humanist. I am not scum. Not even a little bit. Your certainty is laughable, but also infuriating because the only way for me to prove that you're wrong is to die, and then I am dead and you win and you don't even care that you are completely mischaracterizing me.
If you think anyone would sign to prove me wrong you are WAAAYYY overestimating my value to anyone in this game.
Even your scenario doesn't make sense. If Lalight was killed because he signed, Eddie is just as likely to have done it. You zeroing in on me says something else is going on here.
If he flips third party, there's still no guarantee that he didn't lie.Why shouldn't they?Because if you're telling the truth, then it doesn't help anyone, and there's always the chance that you're lying and something more sinister happens when you sign the petition. So the smart thing is to not sign it.
Well, they might sign it after he flips, if his claim.
Do you think Galz is the best lynch for today?
I don't know, not necessarily. But we can definitely do worse.
Galz is still a survivor in the alignment sense
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.Did you figure this out before or after you started the day by voting for EFWH for no apparent reasom?
Galz is still a survivor in the alignment sense
The role Galz claimed is not survivor
vote: Didds
Not liking her reaction to Galz's scumread on her, seems over-the-top and not like town Didds.
yo galz - is there a situation where you get put into the hood grouping at night? like can you ever be apart or see what people say there?
yo galz - is there a situation where you get put into the hood grouping at night? like can you ever be apart or see what people say there?
It’s purely random, so yes.
yo galz - is there a situation where you get put into the hood grouping at night? like can you ever be apart or see what people say there?
It’s purely random, so yes.
and not to be a dick - but have you confirmed this? as in this is not an assumption, it is clearly stated?
if someone signs can they be grouped again?
eddie - could the players in the signing thing talk openly with one and other?
eddie - could the players in the signing thing talk openly with one and other?
Yup.
We also weren’t told who was in the group, which meant if any of us decided not to talk we would never learn of their existence.
Yup, and cannot undo.
Between not offering extra claims that makes his role make more sense, and not explaining his WCD read, I can only conclude that Galzria is playing an anti-town game, and needs to be lynched.
Vote: Galzria
i feel like we need to lynch mafia today and galz isn't it
i feel like we need to lynch mafia today and galz isn't itHow do you know that?
Or, alternatively, you can stop acting like you know more than you do. You don’t like my role? Think it’s relative weakness is a reason to vote me? Step up and own it.I thought that's what I was doing.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
Or, alternatively, you can stop acting like you know more than you do. You don’t like my role? Think it’s relative weakness is a reason to vote me? Step up and own it.I thought that's what I was doing.
I would also appreciate if you stopped with the personal attacks against me.
Here are the facts about your claim: The number of people you claimed were in the QT did not match the actual numbers. One might argue that someone just kept quiet, but that's already something you have to buy into. You said yourself that it doesn't make sense that you don't know who signed, but later get to pick among them, but you never clarified. In the meantime, I have received an answer from ashersky on another matter, so I know you're no longer waiting. You would have us believe that your role would make another player make not one, but two choices that are completely and utterly inconsequential to them.
I think that looks like a fakeclaim.
First, the argument that the numbers in the QT didn’t match my claim. So... I would lie about that confirmable piece of information because...? yeah. Real smart of me. Or, you know, the more logical explanation is that somebody didn’t post (lazy or scum, who knows).Obviously, the answer is - because you didn't know better. Like for example the recruitment to the QT was actually targeted, you targeted 4 players, it failed on one without your knowledge.
Second, bolded, I did clarify. You didn’t bother to circle back to that point though and ask me why I hadn’t yet (as it’s clear you missed it), did you? ... - or you’re just choosing to ignore it. Whichever.Oh yeah, you did answer (when pressed about it, not on your own). And the answer is... ashersky didn't clarify. Which is funny because all the questions I asked about my role received clear and unambiguous answers from ashersky, even though they could have been answered by "you'll see when you get there". I don't believe that ashersky has a double standard in modding.
Or, alternatively, you can stop acting like you know more than you do. You don’t like my role? Think it’s relative weakness is a reason to vote me? Step up and own it.I thought that's what I was doing.
I would also appreciate if you stopped with the personal attacks against me.
Here are the facts about your claim: The number of people you claimed were in the QT did not match the actual numbers. One might argue that someone just kept quiet, but that's already something you have to buy into. You said yourself that it doesn't make sense that you don't know who signed, but later get to pick among them, but you never clarified. In the meantime, I have received an answer from ashersky on another matter, so I know you're no longer waiting. You would have us believe that your role would make another player make not one, but two choices that are completely and utterly inconsequential to them.
I think that looks like a fakeclaim.
If Galz is scum who can create neighborhoods, why say the wrong number for no reason? His claim works just as well with 3 as it does with 4. Why commit to 4 when it is amfactually incorrect.I detailed one reason, here's another - the number actually depends on other things, like "half of all humans", "half of all townies" etc., but Galzria did not want to give extra information about that stuff and so he made up something else that would hopefully yield the same number.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
Forgot other point in my "this doesn't make sense" list: Galzria is willing to self-hammer which goes completely against his stated wincon.
If Galz is scum who can create neighborhoods, why say the wrong number for no reason? His claim works just as well with 3 as it does with 4. Why commit to 4 when it is amfactually incorrect.I detailed one reason, here's another - the number actually depends on other things, like "half of all humans", "half of all townies" etc., but Galzria did not want to give extra information about that stuff and so he made up something else that would hopefully yield the same number.
Which player in the game do you think would stay silent in a QT like that?
I’m willing to self hammer because no, my being alive generally has little impact on my ability to win if I can assign a Proxy, incidentally something that I believe will happen.Seems to me that if you need one of 2 people to survive, and one of them dies, your chances of winning drop by 50%. Not exactly what I would call "little impact".
Like, honestly, even you can’t put together a narrative where my actions make more sense as scum than as what I’ve claimed to be.Well, it's not on me to put forward a convincing narrative, but on you.
The truth is, you just don’t agree with the way I’ve approached my role and want to punish me for it.That's not the truth, it's a lie, and if you believe it is the truth, you should vote for me, because that would mean I'm scum.
And would you say Galz is more likely scum than third party here?I don't thikn it's a distinction that matters. He could be mafia. He could be SK. He could be Survivor. I have no idea how to judge that. I know that he spent most of his time D1 voting for town, and I know that what he claims about his role doesn't add up. That's enough reason for me to lynch him.
Like, what are we talking here? 70/30? 60/40?
Also, no idea. I don’t know anything.Also, what a cop-out. If you don't know anything and have no opinions, you might as well sheep me.
I’m willing to self hammer because no, my being alive generally has little impact on my ability to win if I can assign a Proxy, incidentally something that I believe will happen.Seems to me that if you need one of 2 people to survive, and one of them dies, your chances of winning drop by 50%. Not exactly what I would call "little impact".Like, honestly, even you can’t put together a narrative where my actions make more sense as scum than as what I’ve claimed to be.Well, it's not on me to put forward a convincing narrative, but on you.The truth is, you just don’t agree with the way I’ve approached my role and want to punish me for it.That's not the truth, it's a lie, and if you believe it is the truth, you should vote for me, because that would mean I'm scum.
And would you say Galz is more likely scum than third party here?I don't thikn it's a distinction that matters. He could be mafia. He could be SK. He could be Survivor. I have no idea how to judge that. I know that he spent most of his time D1 voting for town, and I know that what he claims about his role doesn't add up. That's enough reason for me to lynch him.
Like, what are we talking here? 70/30? 60/40?
You’re ridiculous.But sure, you don't make personal attacks ::)
You’re ridiculous.But sure, you don't make personal attacks ::)
Cool. Need I remind you that at some point in your life you signed a civility pledge?You’re ridiculous.But sure, you don't make personal attacks ::)
I stand by that one. You’re ridiculous. :P
Cool. Need I remind you that at some point in your life you signed a civility pledge?You’re ridiculous.But sure, you don't make personal attacks ::)
I stand by that one. You’re ridiculous. :P
No, you are stating that I, as a person, am ridiculous.Cool. Need I remind you that at some point in your life you signed a civility pledge?You’re ridiculous.But sure, you don't make personal attacks ::)
I stand by that one. You’re ridiculous. :P
Point? I’m not being uncivil. I’m stating that the scenario you’re putting forward as being most likely is ridiculous.
Faust, I apologize if you’re feeling attacked. I personally feel that the scenario that you’ve put forth is ridiculous - ridiculous used here to mean “silly”. The logic you’re following, the narrative that you’re suggesting exists, just doesn’t make any sense to me. You’re suggesting that I’ve lied about something that, regardless of my alignment, makes no sense for me to lie about - a very easy and verifiable fact from multiple sources. Lying about something like that, as Town, as scum, as SK, or as Survivor simply seems silly, and the premise that you’re putting forward that I’ve done so seems absolutely ridiculous to me. Not only because I know the truth of my role, but also because... c’mon... how does that even make sense?Thank you for the apology. No hard feelings.
Regardless, even if I personally feel that it is ridiculous, you clearly do not. So I’m sorry for putting my belief squarely on you, and I’m sorry that my calling you ridiculous was received as an attack. I meant it more to express my feelings on your premise, and to lighten the mood - I would also say Didd’s fetish with Owls is ridiculous, but I wouldn’t change that about her! I love ridiculous! - my attempt at lightening this way obviously was ill received, and I’m sorry.
First, the argument that the numbers in the QT didn’t match my claim. So... I would lie about that confirmable piece of information because...? yeah. Real smart of me. Or, you know, the more logical explanation is that somebody didn’t post (lazy or scum, who knows).Obviously, the answer is - because you didn't know better. Like for example the recruitment to the QT was actually targeted, you targeted 4 players, it failed on one without your knowledge.Second, bolded, I did clarify. You didn’t bother to circle back to that point though and ask me why I hadn’t yet (as it’s clear you missed it), did you? ... - or you’re just choosing to ignore it. Whichever.Oh yeah, you did answer (when pressed about it, not on your own). And the answer is... ashersky didn't clarify. Which is funny because all the questions I asked about my role received clear and unambiguous answers from ashersky, even though they could have been answered by "you'll see when you get there". I don't believe that ashersky has a double standard in modding.
Regarding WCD being scum: I did provide my reasons. Two of them.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.
The second is that in re-reading the thread from start to finish, I find it really rather clear at multiple points in time that she’s not playing to a Town wincon. You can feel free to disagree. Swan clearly does. Reads are inherently biased, and everybody is entitled to make their own judgements. I’m not going to write a novel using the same posts everybody else is welcome to go back and read themselves already just to have Faust go “no, that’s townie of her”. You feel that way? Cool. I don’t. That’s my read. My having that read doesn’t make me scum anymore than Swan is scum for town reading her.
Regarding WCD being scum: I did provide my reasons. Two of them.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.
The second is that in re-reading the thread from start to finish, I find it really rather clear at multiple points in time that she’s not playing to a Town wincon. You can feel free to disagree. Swan clearly does. Reads are inherently biased, and everybody is entitled to make their own judgements. I’m not going to write a novel using the same posts everybody else is welcome to go back and read themselves already just to have Faust go “no, that’s townie of her”. You feel that way? Cool. I don’t. That’s my read. My having that read doesn’t make me scum anymore than Swan is scum for town reading her.
Do you feel like if i read you it would read like you playing to a town win con?
Assume then, as you do, that there’s something I’m not saying about my role (and there isn’t, nor am I going to lie and make something up): Do you believe, given the verifiable parts of my claim thusfar, and given the unverified parts of my claim that I’ve made, that there’s a narrative that makes sense for me to be scum? Unforced claim. Willing to lynch myself. Weird af role that has an amount of detail provided that would seem crazy to have completely made up - and has verifiable bits...I believe that you could be scum (as in, mafia-scum), yes. But it also doesn't matter. I believe that you're not telling us everything, and regardless of whether you're traditional scum or not that is reason enough. You're a threat and other scum certainly won't nightkill you.
Sure, I get you believe I’m not revealing everything. And it’s entirely your choice to have that belief. But I struggle to see where, even if that were true, I would be scum (and not just, like, a more dangerous version of what I’ve claimed). For me, what I particularly don’t like is that you’re holding that over me when I HAVE revealed everything... so you put me in an impossible situation. But that’s a different matter entirely.
Assume then, as you do, that there’s something I’m not saying about my role (and there isn’t, nor am I going to lie and make something up): Do you believe, given the verifiable parts of my claim thusfar, and given the unverified parts of my claim that I’ve made, that there’s a narrative that makes sense for me to be scum? Unforced claim. Willing to lynch myself. Weird af role that has an amount of detail provided that would seem crazy to have completely made up - and has verifiable bits...I believe that you could be scum (as in, mafia-scum), yes. But it also doesn't matter. I believe that you're not telling us everything, and regardless of whether you're traditional scum or not that is reason enough. You're a threat and other scum certainly won't nightkill you.
Sure, I get you believe I’m not revealing everything. And it’s entirely your choice to have that belief. But I struggle to see where, even if that were true, I would be scum (and not just, like, a more dangerous version of what I’ve claimed). For me, what I particularly don’t like is that you’re holding that over me when I HAVE revealed everything... so you put me in an impossible situation. But that’s a different matter entirely.
Claim wasn't all that unforced either, given that you were that main wagon at the time.
i feel like we need to lynch mafia today and galz isn't itYeah, come join on on this skip business
I think you would read that I was weirdly disengaged D1.Galz, you're always disengaged on D1, so it's not weird.
Swan & Mail-Mi, as my top two towniest people, what are your thoughts on Skip? Space, your thoughts (in general)?Why are those two towny anyways?
I think you would read that I was weirdly disengaged D1.Galz, you're always disengaged on D1, so it's not weird.
Swan & Mail-Mi, as my top two towniest people, what are your thoughts on Skip? Space, your thoughts (in general)?Why are those two towny anyways?
I would also say Didd’s fetish with Owls is ridiculous, but I wouldn’t change that about her! I love ridiculous!
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
This point by faust got my attention. Why are you scumhunting, Galz?
Swan & Mail-Mi, as my top two towniest people, what are your thoughts on Skip? Space, your thoughts (in general)?
I could be convinced to vote skip. I generally Town read Shraeye, and while I think Cayvie is scum, I think she’s SK, so I think I trust her to be “hunting” scum here. Skip is in my middle ground, but is a concession I could make over WCD.
FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
Seriously though, what makes you think that Galzria intends to help town? How is he currently helping town?::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
Seriously though, what makes you think that Galzria intends to help town? How is he currently helping town?::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
I mean, yes he said it, but anyone would say that; why do you believe him?Seriously though, what makes you think that Galzria intends to help town? How is he currently helping town?::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
He said it himself. He's looking for scum aliens right now. We can always lynch him later, if we need to.
I mean, yes he said it, but anyone would say that; why do you believe him?Seriously though, what makes you think that Galzria intends to help town? How is he currently helping town?::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
He said it himself. He's looking for scum aliens right now. We can always lynch him later, if we need to.
i feel like we need to lynch mafia today and galz isn't itYeah, come join on on this skip business
Mail-mi, this is just too naive. In a suspicious sort of way. I still don't want to vote Galz, but I'm more and more interested in mailmiSeriously though, what makes you think that Galzria intends to help town? How is he currently helping town?::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
He said it himself. He's looking for scum aliens right now. We can always lynch him later, if we need to.
Mail-mi, this is just too naive. In a suspicious sort of way. I still don't want to vote Galz, but I'm more and more interested in mailmiSeriously though, what makes you think that Galzria intends to help town? How is he currently helping town?::)FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.Yeah, we should just lynch people who will state that they're not helping town! Scumhunting can be so easy!
He said it himself. He's looking for scum aliens right now. We can always lynch him later, if we need to.
Survivors always say they want to help town, and they mean it. But when it comes down to it, they'll switch sides to achieve their wincon.
Survivors always say they want to help town, and they mean it. But when it comes down to it, they'll switch sides to achieve their wincon.
and right now, we're not down to it. Also if there's scum Aliens, siding with scum (before that alien(s) is dead) is actively against Galz's wincon.
Survivors always say they want to help town, and they mean it. But when it comes down to it, they'll switch sides to achieve their wincon.
and right now, we're not down to it. Also if there's scum Aliens, siding with scum (before that alien(s) is dead) is actively against Galz's wincon.
But he has no idea who are aliens and who aren't. Unless someone wants to claim flavor cop. My point is that he will follow his wincon, not town's. That makes him inherently untrustworthy.
BTW, my personal theory is that he is one of a faction, and the other member is Didds.
Survivors always say they want to help town, and they mean it. But when it comes down to it, they'll switch sides to achieve their wincon.Galz is still not a survivor.
You still haven't explained what you mean.Survivors always say they want to help town, and they mean it. But when it comes down to it, they'll switch sides to achieve their wincon.Galz is still not a survivor.
BTW, why don't you join us on Didds then? Either way you are lynching someone you think is nontown,
BTW, why don't you join us on Didds then? Either way you are lynching someone you think is nontown,
That is a kind invitation. I will keep it in mind.
I think you would read that I was weirdly disengaged D1.Galz, you're always disengaged on D1, so it's not weird.
I disagree. The last non-BM game I was in, iZombie, I had 19 posts Day 1 out of 294 total. With 14 people in the game that’s an average of 21. That’s hardly disengaged compared to the average person.
I do not want to lynch Galz or WCD. but I will lynch Galz before WCD.
Galz - I actually believe you are the survivor variant. But I believe WCD is town, which means you are the better choice if I have to choose. Will you not push eddie with me? if not will you push anyone else? I will gladly sheep you on like anyone but her or myself at this point.
武士、この戦争はすぐに終わります。 私たちの勝利は輝かしいでしょう。 人間の降参があるまで、輸送問題のため口糧は半減されます。 地元の動物を自由に食べて、食事を補ってください。 フクロウと呼ばれる有翼動物は特に美味しいです。 エスフェニーに栄光を!
I do not want to lynch Galz or WCD. but I will lynch Galz before WCD.
Galz - I actually believe you are the survivor variant. But I believe WCD is town, which means you are the better choice if I have to choose. Will you not push eddie with me? if not will you push anyone else? I will gladly sheep you on like anyone but her or myself at this point.
Why in the wide world of heck am I evil, though?
武士、この戦争はすぐに終わります。 私たちの勝利は輝かしいでしょう。 人間の降参があるまで、輸送問題のため口糧は半減されます。 地元の動物を自由に食べて、食事を補ってください。 フクロウと呼ばれる有翼動物は特に美味しいです。 エスフェニーに栄光を!
"Samurai, this war will soon be over. Our victory will be brilliant. Until humans surrender, food is cut in half due to transportation problems."
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.I've said this, but it seems like it got missed in the Galzria discussion - it's likely that redirection did not affect cayvie specifically, but rather all of us.
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.I've said this, but it seems like it got missed in the Galzria discussion - it's likely that redirection did not affect cayvie specifically, but rather all of us.
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.I've said this, but it seems like it got missed in the Galzria discussion - it's likely that redirection did not affect cayvie specifically, but rather all of us.
That could be the case, but it seems like the impetus behind lynching EHFW was the whole idea that she was bus driven with MiX, which appears not to be the case.
So my point stands about wanting to give it a day to let the dust settle
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.I've said this, but it seems like it got missed in the Galzria discussion - it's likely that redirection did not affect cayvie specifically, but rather all of us.
That could be the case, but it seems like the impetus behind lynching EHFW was the whole idea that she was bus driven with MiX, which appears not to be the case.
So my point stands about wanting to give it a day to let the dust settle
That was never my reason.
I wanted to kill her day 1.
Got a little burnt out from work made it hard to focus here.Start with skip
I still like lynching Galzria. His role is different than a standard survivor which is neat, but it is neat in an anti-town direction in that he wants a certain percentage of us dead. Wanting to kill town or not-my-faction-scum is inherently scummy.
I am willing to explore other options, need to reread skip/WCD/swan to figure out why they have votes.
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.
*looks at available wagon options*. Sigh...
vote: pubby
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.I've said this, but it seems like it got missed in the Galzria discussion - it's likely that redirection did not affect cayvie specifically, but rather all of us.
That could be the case, but it seems like the impetus behind lynching EHFW was the whole idea that she was bus driven with MiX, which appears not to be the case.
So my point stands about wanting to give it a day to let the dust settle
That was never my reason.
I wanted to kill her day 1.
And we can argue pros/cons about a survivor lynch all we want, but most survivor variants have pro-town stuff they can do to prove themselves useful, not here
Got a little burnt out from work made it hard to focus here.
I still like lynching Galzria. His role is different than a standard survivor which is neat, but it is neat in an anti-town direction in that he wants a certain percentage of us dead. Wanting to kill town or not-my-faction-scum is inherently scummy.
I am willing to explore other options, need to reread skip/WCD/swan to figure out why they have votes.
Not really interested in cayvie/EFHW with the whole redirection thing that went on.
MailMi - just double checking I did not miss something. You do in fact like "know what the education is", and it is hard to believe it is from skum right? But you are keeping that to yourself for now? Just making sure I am not overlooking it if you claimed.
武士、この戦争はすぐに終わります。 私たちの勝利は輝かしいでしょう。 人間の降参があるまで、輸送問題のため口糧は半減されます。 地元の動物を自由に食べて、食事を補ってください。 フクロウと呼ばれる有翼動物は特に美味しいです。 エスフェニーに栄光を!
"Samurai, this war will soon be over. Our victory will be brilliant. Until humans surrender, food is cut in half due to transportation problems."
Oh that can't possibly be important at all...
武士、この戦争はすぐに終わります。 私たちの勝利は輝かしいでしょう。 人間の降参があるまで、輸送問題のため口糧は半減されます。 地元の動物を自由に食べて、食事を補ってください。 フクロウと呼ばれる有翼動物は特に美味しいです。 エスフェニーに栄光を!
"Samurai, this war will soon be over. Our victory will be brilliant. Until humans surrender, food is cut in half due to transportation problems."
Oh that can't possibly be important at all...
Scum points to Mail-mi for not translating the whole message :-P
When I put it through Google translate, I get: "Samurai, this war will soon end. Our victory will be brilliant. Until humans surrender, food is cut in half due to transportation problems. Feel free to eat local animals and supplement your diet. The winged animals called owls are especially delicious. Glory to Spheny!"
That seems way more important and relevant to the game and its players, and I'd hate Ash's efforts to go unappreciated!
Okay, it might be time for me to start asking people questions.
@Galz, early in the game (around #220), you were voting Cayvie, along with pubby and MiX. A little later one, Didds joined the wagon, though at #275 you moved off to the growing MiX wagon. Anyway, in that period where you and two flipped townies were voting Cayvie, what's your best guess about what scum was up to?
Okay, it might be time for me to start asking people questions.
@Galz, early in the game (around #220), you were voting Cayvie, along with pubby and MiX. A little later one, Didds joined the wagon, though at #275 you moved off to the growing MiX wagon. Anyway, in that period where you and two flipped townies were voting Cayvie, what's your best guess about what scum was up to?
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
I think the answers will be more informative other players can please refrain from responding on behalf of the people I'm asking, at least before they've had a chance to give a complete response. I'm hoping my IC-ness will allow me to be a little bit demanding for the next 48 hours :-)
rereading Skip:I think it was a fairly ordinate amount of time actually. The claim was a key thing that was going on at the time and at least one person (don't remember if more) was voting based on it, and my current read on didds (town) is in large part based on the conversation I had with her about it. So if it helped nobody else, at the very least it helped me.
he spends an inordinate amount of time talking about Didds' partial claim at the beginning of the game. Possible partner there, when I'm mafia I find myself paying more attention to what my partners say. So if either flips scum, I'd want to look at the other.
I don't remember 100% what I was thinking but it was probably that the wagon I wanted (eddie, whom I'm now leaning town towards, btw) wasn't going anywhere so I had to give it up.Quote*looks at available wagon options*. Sigh...
vote: pubby
Okay, so this definitely sounds like "Sigh, guess I have to join this mislynch..." Scumpoints right there.
I am in total agreement with Faust that galz is hiding something. Unfortunately, since nobody else expressed that opinion, we haven't really made a compelling incentive for him to tell the truth.Well, I should say more that I was in total agreement with Faust initially, but galz's subsequent posts have shifted me a little, but not that much because we haven't really made an incentive for him to tel the truth.
Vote: EddieCould you explain this vote?
I thought his defense of Galz scummy. Also, at the time I thought he was the one to sign the petition, or at the very least he defended someone who did. And I currentyl didn't want to be voting for Galzria because I was afraid of a self-hammer.Vote: EddieCould you explain this vote?
Also, mail-mi has claimed to have hard evidence that points to me being town, which is more than can be said for anybody else so I don't really get how I'm on the table at this point.
@mod, as of post 750 I have been voting for galz
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
This point by faust got my attention. Why are you scumhunting, Galz?
Having read further, I see that you think there must be aliens among the scum. I think alien/human was probably assigned randomly.
There could be a delusional human faction. Seeing as we were given a free IC, I think there must be pretty significant threats against town. More than a mafia team and a weakened vig. Unless the mafia team is unusually large, I guess.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
This point by faust got my attention. Why are you scumhunting, Galz?
Having read further, I see that you think there must be aliens among the scum. I think alien/human was probably assigned randomly.
There could be a delusional human faction. Seeing as we were given a free IC, I think there must be pretty significant threats against town. More than a mafia team and a weakened vig. Unless the mafia team is unusually large, I guess.
i am not a threat against town >:| stop that
When I put it through Google translate, I get: "Samurai, this war will soon end. Our victory will be brilliant. Until humans surrender, food is cut in half due to transportation problems. Feel free to eat local animals and supplement your diet. The winged animals called owls are especially delicious. Glory to Spheny!"
We have been reduced to eating owls?You shouldn't claim alien, it means Galz will want to kill you even more.
I’ll be interested to hear what Space is thinking. I appreciate the meaningful questions, so I’ll hold off on anything further until she has had time to assessThat's not how it works. The IC does stuff in the background, and we're supposed to post and stuff.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
This point by faust got my attention. Why are you scumhunting, Galz?
Having read further, I see that you think there must be aliens among the scum. I think alien/human was probably assigned randomly.
There could be a delusional human faction. Seeing as we were given a free IC, I think there must be pretty significant threats against town. More than a mafia team and a weakened vig. Unless the mafia team is unusually large, I guess.
i am not a threat against town >:| stop that
actually grr i'm right around to vote: EFHW after rereading this post. i think calling a "vig" a "threat" is a genuine scumslip.
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Well there is a scum on the wagon - it's Galzria, who you've colored purple without any evidence.A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
Well there is a scum on the wagon - it's Galzria, who you've colored purple without any evidence.A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.Isn't your survival more important to you than whether or not WCD may do something more damning if you are not upfront about your accusations? Why would you even care whether your scumread is correct?
This point by faust got my attention. Why are you scumhunting, Galz?
Having read further, I see that you think there must be aliens among the scum. I think alien/human was probably assigned randomly.
There could be a delusional human faction. Seeing as we were given a free IC, I think there must be pretty significant threats against town. More than a mafia team and a weakened vig. Unless the mafia team is unusually large, I guess.
i am not a threat against town >:| stop that
actually grr i'm right around to vote: EFHW after rereading this post. i think calling a "vig" a "threat" is a genuine scumslip.
Given recent history, perhaps I can be forgiven for looking less than kindly at vigs. In any case, vigs are very swingy. How do you think they fit into balance considerations?
Nah, if you were in the minority, then Galzria would be dead.Well there is a scum on the wagon - it's Galzria, who you've colored purple without any evidence.A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
I colored purple as "not town." I suppose I could have done grey. Also I'm not considering Galz scum because I believe his claim (I seem to be in a minority, but I do) and I also think that him playing toward his wincon currently helps town, and we can use all the help we can get.
I need at least a modicum of clarification here. Is his role power just to send a message? Or did you get "something" in addition to the message? Because just sending a message is 100% 100% 100% NAI.Also, mail-mi has claimed to have hard evidence that points to me being town, which is more than can be said for anybody else so I don't really get how I'm on the table at this point.
Yeah, as I've thought more about this, there's no way that Skip's rolepower is scum. I mean, if it is, gg Ash, you tricked us. I will not be voting for skip today.
I need at least a modicum of clarification here. Is his role power just to send a message? Or did you get "something" in addition to the message? Because just sending a message is 100% 100% 100% NAI.Also, mail-mi has claimed to have hard evidence that points to me being town, which is more than can be said for anybody else so I don't really get how I'm on the table at this point.
Yeah, as I've thought more about this, there's no way that Skip's rolepower is scum. I mean, if it is, gg Ash, you tricked us. I will not be voting for skip today.
Vote Count 2.8:
Galzria (5): EFHW, 2.7, WCD, skip, faust
skip (2): shraeye, cayvie
WCD (3): Galzria, uncle, mail-mi
uncleeurope (1): DatSwan
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 19 at 21:30 forum time.
Shraeye, just level with me for a sec, no one else has to know.
(Are you scum? Because you have been acting off to me. It may just be that I haven’t played in awhile so I have forgotten, but a constant in my life has been my inability to see you as evil, and that aspect of my world is breaking. I just wanna know, are you an evil, lying, liar-pants?)
See, that’s shade.
so, for the 3 or 4 people I have reread so far Eddie by far strikes me as scum.
1) They make jokes about doing scummy things.
2) Jokes are scummy (per Robz. I disagree, but there you have it)
3) Eddie is scum
but actually, jokes abuot being scummy can definitely deflect opitions away from you.
I am laughing as well.
vote: Eddie
I am laughing as well.
vote: Eddie
Could just lynch MiX, it is Monday after all.
Shraeye, just level with me for a sec, no one else has to know.
(Are you scum? Because you have been acting off to me. It may just be that I haven’t played in awhile so I have forgotten, but a constant in my life has been my inability to see you as evil, and that aspect of my world is breaking. I just wanna know, are you an evil, lying, liar-pants?)
See, that’s shade.
Another note about my behavior, I am a shade thrower. I don’t play this game with notes, so I put my notes in the thread.
Anytime a post is weird to me, I comment on it, even if I am not trying to make a case or anything.
The process of writing posts helps me to remember key things for later.
Read any game I have been in. I always throw shade.
uncle has been throwing shade around all day 1. super scummy.
then they go and brag about their scumminess? yeeah, scum
I still think Galz is the lynch, but I might be persuaded. I only got this far on Uncle though, need to keep going. there might be more
Shraeye, just level with me for a sec, no one else has to know.
(Are you scum? Because you have been acting off to me. It may just be that I haven’t played in awhile so I have forgotten, but a constant in my life has been my inability to see you as evil, and that aspect of my world is breaking. I just wanna know, are you an evil, lying, liar-pants?)
See, that’s shade.
Another note about my behavior, I am a shade thrower. I don’t play this game with notes, so I put my notes in the thread.
Anytime a post is weird to me, I comment on it, even if I am not trying to make a case or anything.
The process of writing posts helps me to remember key things for later.
Read any game I have been in. I always throw shade.
uncle has been throwing shade around all day 1. super scummy.
then they go and brag about their scumminess? yeeah, scum
I still think Galz is the lynch, but I might be persuaded. I only got this far on Uncle though, need to keep going. there might be more
Shraeye, just level with me for a sec, no one else has to know.
(Are you scum? Because you have been acting off to me. It may just be that I haven’t played in awhile so I have forgotten, but a constant in my life has been my inability to see you as evil, and that aspect of my world is breaking. I just wanna know, are you an evil, lying, liar-pants?)
See, that’s shade.
uncle has been throwing shade around all day 1. super scummy.
then they go and brag about their scumminess? yeeah, scum
I still think Galz is the lynch, but I might be persuaded. I only got this far on Uncle though, need to keep going. there might be more
Also, we have WCD posting owls, shraeye and Uncle throwing jokes around like they are going out of style....what kind of game is this?
Also, we have WCD posting owls, shraeye and Uncle throwing jokes around like they are going out of style....what kind of game is this?
It’s a game. We are trying to have fun.
That being said, I feel like my level of joke throwing is roughly average, although it has been awhile, so maybe I am wrong.
Also, we have WCD posting owls, shraeye and Uncle throwing jokes around like they are going out of style....what kind of game is this?All I ever do is joke. Or be serious
It's becoming increasingly clear to everyone that what I sent mail-mi was in fact not a message at all but something else.
So basically the cause of the confusion is as follows:
I targeted cayvie last night, so naturally when she claimed to have recieved something, I thought it was my thing (it wasn't). I noticed that she called the thing a message, which was not how I would have identified it, but I figured, it's her thing now and she can call it what she wants and she presumably has her reasons. Then later, when the mistake was corrected and I realized mail-mi had gotten the thing somehow, I didn't think it was important for everyone to know it wasn't a message. I underestimated the confusion it would cause. The end.
I am in total agreement with Faust that galz is hiding something. Unfortunately, since nobody else expressed that opinion, we haven't really made a compelling incentive for him to tell the truth.What do you suggest would make a stronger incentive? L-1?
Also, we have WCD posting owls, shraeye and Uncle throwing jokes around like they are going out of style....what kind of game is this?
I would consider a Shraeye lynch. He's been skating by with jokes instead of posting contributions.That is whatever the opposite of fact is.
@cayvie, ok by your definition vig isn't a problem for town. I'm less of a fan.Well, a vig is definitely an asset for town; if it weren't vigs, could just decide to never shoot.
I mean, you have been kind of disappointing. And an unvote isn't helping. Unvotes are the worst.I would consider a Shraeye lynch. He's been skating by with jokes instead of posting contributions.That is whatever the opposite of fact is.
also
unvote
Do we have any reason to belive that there would be a concentration of aliens in the skum alignment? or are we thinking it is spread out marginally? I am not a huge follower of the show, I just watched the beginning in which most the aliens were baddies, but obv that is not the case.I didn't watch the show, but from what I understood this is a continuation of the first game, and in that one we defeated the main alien baddies, so they wouldn't be around anymore, and the other aliens in the prior game were friendly IIRC.
Can there be Human Baddies? Can there be like *a lot* of Alien Town? does anyone know?
@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
Yeah, guilty on both counts. Just "making jokes only" is not correct. I'm looking for where to revote, but skip's clarification helped me trust mail-mi's opinion more.I mean, you have been kind of disappointing. And an unvote isn't helping. Unvotes are the worst.I would consider a Shraeye lynch. He's been skating by with jokes instead of posting contributions.That is whatever the opposite of fact is.
also
unvote
True (modulo the fact where you could totally be scum), but a town lynch is a town lynch, and all those other votes seem so incredibly weak that they might very easily be on town. Or so it seems to me.@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
A “non-town” lynch is not a “scum” lynch. Town already has 3 dead members. It’s likely to be 4, and possibly more, at day start tomorrow. Town needs a scum lynch far more than they need a “non-town” lynch. Lynching me helps bring the potential votes against scum down by at least two. With 12 alive, 7 to lynch, it’ll go down to 10 alive, 6 to lynch (assuming only one death). Given there’s likely a scum faction of 3 in the game - tomorrow’s lynch would require 6-of-7 “non-scum” (there may be other “non-town” players, like SK) to get a scum lynch through.
Lynching me now just puts Town in a worse spot than they are in today by taking away at least two votes that can be cast against scum.
There is an exception at 751, when Skip votes Galzria, but cayvie was voting Skip at the time.
I've seen new scum do this before - they pick someone they think is towny and mimic their votes.
vote: Skip
There is an exception at 751, when Skip votes Galzria, but cayvie was voting Skip at the time.
I've seen new scum do this before - they pick someone they think is towny and mimic their votes.
vote: Skip
wrong vote.
True (modulo the fact where you could totally be scum), but a town lynch is a town lynch, and all those other votes seem so incredibly weak that they might very easily be on town. Or so it seems to me.@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
A “non-town” lynch is not a “scum” lynch. Town already has 3 dead members. It’s likely to be 4, and possibly more, at day start tomorrow. Town needs a scum lynch far more than they need a “non-town” lynch. Lynching me helps bring the potential votes against scum down by at least two. With 12 alive, 7 to lynch, it’ll go down to 10 alive, 6 to lynch (assuming only one death). Given there’s likely a scum faction of 3 in the game - tomorrow’s lynch would require 6-of-7 “non-scum” (there may be other “non-town” players, like SK) to get a scum lynch through.
Lynching me now just puts Town in a worse spot than they are in today by taking away at least two votes that can be cast against scum.
I don't really want to share that right now.True (modulo the fact where you could totally be scum), but a town lynch is a town lynch, and all those other votes seem so incredibly weak that they might very easily be on town. Or so it seems to me.@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
A “non-town” lynch is not a “scum” lynch. Town already has 3 dead members. It’s likely to be 4, and possibly more, at day start tomorrow. Town needs a scum lynch far more than they need a “non-town” lynch. Lynching me helps bring the potential votes against scum down by at least two. With 12 alive, 7 to lynch, it’ll go down to 10 alive, 6 to lynch (assuming only one death). Given there’s likely a scum faction of 3 in the game - tomorrow’s lynch would require 6-of-7 “non-scum” (there may be other “non-town” players, like SK) to get a scum lynch through.
Lynching me now just puts Town in a worse spot than they are in today by taking away at least two votes that can be cast against scum.
Who is scum other than Galz? Because you seem to be town reading this entire group.
@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
There is an exception at 751, when Skip votes Galzria, but cayvie was voting Skip at the time.
I've seen new scum do this before - they pick someone they think is towny and mimic their votes.
vote: Skip
wrong vote.
?? Oh, right. Your education. Notice that's another cayvie connection, though, since she was his intended target.
vote: Galzria
Didds, what is your read on Swan?
I disagree that it doesn't generate info. People have taken all kinds of stances and they are relevant to their alignment even if Galzria flips "third party". (note that Galzria will not "flip what he says"... I don't think the flip will allow us any conclusion on whether he told the truth about everything.@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
So my explanation has a lot to do more with I guess the reverse logic of your statement.
If we lynch galz... and he flips as he says... then the only look back we learn about from iso-ing players today is that there is "most likely a likelihood that aliens wanted galz dead". Like, it doesn't generate any info for us to use. And as we would be essentially accepting "a non town lynch" to play it safe to have a better chance later... I would kind of like to you know "actually have a better chance later".
Now obv the counter to this would be if you think Galz actually has a at least decent potential to flip over as skum... then ok I get it. What IS the range that you think galz can realistically flip here?
Didds, what is your read on Swan?
He is the opposite of jumping around, piling on, making flimsy cases, or being stubborn. So, he’s high on my town list, but not as high as cayvie.
Didds, what is your read on Swan?
He is the opposite of jumping around, piling on, making flimsy cases, or being stubborn. So, he’s high on my town list, but not as high as cayvie.
Except 3/4 of those things are town traits.
Arguably all 4, but I can give you one.
Also having another night where maybe all of our targeting won't be completely screwed up... might actually help us find scum.
Didds, what is your read on Swan?
He is the opposite of jumping around, piling on, making flimsy cases, or being stubborn. So, he’s high on my town list, but not as high as cayvie.
Except 3/4 of those things are town traits.
Arguably all 4, but I can give you one.
She said I was high on her town list? im confused at your response.
Also - Cayvie... why still EFHW? Is that still like a strong case in your opinion?
Looking at voting patterns, I noticed that Skip is voting in sync with cayvie. He doesn't vote every time she does, but every time he votes it is soon after one of her votes and for the same person as she voted for. This happens three times, at 144, 332, and 627. (your post numbers may differ by one)Yes, totally not a coincidence. I got a strong townread on cayvie fairly early and I liked her reasoning behind those votes so I sheeped her. I would point out that the 3rd one had less to do with sheeping cayvie and more that she had incriminating night action stuff on you. I also targeted cayvie last night due to my townread on her.
I was thinking L-1 with intent to hammer.I am in total agreement with Faust that galz is hiding something. Unfortunately, since nobody else expressed that opinion, we haven't really made a compelling incentive for him to tell the truth.What do you suggest would make a stronger incentive? L-1?
I agree with EFHW that mail-mi using green for himself in his wagon analysis wasn't great, and I've been told off for self-colouring green in the past. More interesting is perhaps the fact that faust commented on the purple colour for Galz, but not on mail-mi's own colour. I think that's probably just due to the relative levels of suspicion faust places on the two, but it it's worth having out there as an observation.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?For me the thing is that the petition sign up thing and the proxy thing are sort of implausible. Usually, mafia (and really most games) is about making choices that will help achieve your goal. But here we just have a qt where a third of us get together every night to discuss whether galz deserves to win.
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
There is no evidence that Galz is survivor, and there is indication that Didds could be his partner. So I want to see the flip.
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
There is no evidence that Galz is survivor, and there is indication that Didds could be his partner. So I want to see the flip.
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
There is no evidence that Galz is survivor, and there is indication that Didds could be his partner. So I want to see the flip.
Also - Cayvie... why still EFHW? Is that still like a strong case in your opinion?
... but based on admittedly not paying attention day 1 ...
I would not mind an e lynch though
Been reading while prepping for Drunk Mafia.
faust is a beacon of wisdom and knowledge this game. Shouldn't lynch
Galzria is not town, is not working for town, and should be lynched.
WCD is being friendly...too friendly. Oh wait, it's WCD. Of course she is friendly. But still.
Skip is nondescript, which is scummy.
mail-mi is playing exactly how I would expect them to play, which is null.
Other people are also playing the game.
the e=>faust ping is mostly this postThat's classic E though, that faust commentBeen reading while prepping for Drunk Mafia.
faust is a beacon of wisdom and knowledge this game. Shouldn't lynch
Galzria is not town, is not working for town, and should be lynched.
WCD is being friendly...too friendly. Oh wait, it's WCD. Of course she is friendly. But still.
Skip is nondescript, which is scummy.
mail-mi is playing exactly how I would expect them to play, which is null.
Other people are also playing the game.
I'm still feeling down for WCD. Gonna look at things, but tonight is family game night. Ain't no game night like herding shraeye's family
I'm still feeling down for WCD. Gonna look at things, but tonight is family game night. Ain't no game night like herding shraeye's family
Hi to the fam! Here’s the thing...you know that if I am scum, I will crack under pressure. Every time, no doubt about it. So, if you still think I’m scummy tomorrow, I’ll inadvertently make it easy for you. But if you are wrong, and I’m it scum, lynching me is a terrible idea. It’s not like that never happens...you scum read me incorrectly often, but usually it’s when the stakes are lower, not when we are already down 3 town.
I'm still feeling down for WCD. Gonna look at things, but tonight is family game night. Ain't no game night like herding shraeye's family
Hi to the fam! Here’s the thing...you know that if I am scum, I will crack under pressure. Every time, no doubt about it. So, if you still think I’m scummy tomorrow, I’ll inadvertently make it easy for you. But if you are wrong, and I’m not scum, lynching me is a terrible idea. It’s not like that never happens...you scum read me incorrectly often, but usually it’s when the stakes are lower, not when we are already down 3 town.
to be fair, down 3 but up 1
I'm still feeling down for WCD. Gonna look at things, but tonight is family game night. Ain't no game night like herding shraeye's family
Hi to the fam! Here’s the thing...you know that if I am scum, I will crack under pressure. Every time, no doubt about it. So, if you still think I’m scummy tomorrow, I’ll inadvertently make it easy for you. But if you are wrong, and I’m not scum, lynching me is a terrible idea. It’s not like that never happens...you scum read me incorrectly often, but usually it’s when the stakes are lower, not when we are already down 3 town.
to be fair, down 3 but up 1
Good catch. I forgot the +1 (also edited my post above. Phone typos...”it” “not”, whatever)
Okay, let’s kill EFHW, then.
Let’s not just pile on e for funsies.
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
There is no evidence that Galz is survivor, and there is indication that Didds could be his partner. So I want to see the flip.
How is Didds Galz’s partner?
I am so lost right now.
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
There is no evidence that Galz is survivor, and there is indication that Didds could be his partner. So I want to see the flip.
How is Didds Galz’s partner?
I am so lost right now.
2 reasons. She asked for him 5 or 6 times Day 1 and today they are at each other's throats - very unlike Didds. I think the mutual suspicion there is staged, probably to compensate for the Day 1 asks.
I am convinced that while Galz is a good choice, scum is a better choice.Does that mean you're convinced that Galzria isn't scum? Why?
I just can’t see Galz making up such an awfulWell - I just can't see ash making up such an awful
I can't remember exactly why I was voting WCD, so I'll need to reread her and e and see what I want.You want to be voting for Galzria. These are not the lynches you are looking for. *suggestive Jedi hand movements*
It's a shame that we've got a result on skip since they are the towniest town who ever towned.
It's a shame that we've got a result on skip since they are the towniest town who ever towned.
wait what?
I just can’t see Galz making up such an awfulWell - I just can't see ash making up such an awful
ok hot day2 theory:I'm afraid you will be disappointed.
scumteam = EFHW, e, faust
survivor/antialien team of Galz/???
vote: e
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.Is there someone else that you are sure is mafia? Because then I'm happy to switch.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
Clarification from a guy watching outside the ring - op says he won’t answer certain shit. And i can confirm that is true.Can you point me to where it says that?
I am convinced that while Galz is a good choice, scum is a better choice.Does that mean you're convinced that Galzria isn't scum? Why?
Nulliest null who ever nulled?It's a shame that we've got a result on skip since they are the towniest town who ever towned.
wait what?
Yeah. This. Like, he’s not the scummiest scum who ever scummed, but he’s by no means townie.
When is deadline?lmF3tfy:
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 19 at 21:30 forum time.
When is deadline?lmF3tfy:With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 19 at 21:30 forum time.
Okay, let’s kill EFHW, then.
Let’s not just pile on e for funsies.
Okay, let’s kill EFHW, then.
Let’s not just pile on e for funsies.
But you're not voting for her?
Lots of stuff happened while I was asleep. I think Galz is telling the truth, and I'm feeling scummy about Eddie.
vote: Didds
Not liking her reaction to Galz's scumread on her, seems over-the-top and not like town Didds.
I would have to look him [Skip] over again, because right now I'm pretty null on him. Would be willing to move over.
FWIW, I believe Galz in this claim. And there's no reason to lunch him because, like he's stated, he's helping town right now, and we could use our lunch in better places.
Galz has claimed some sort of survivor variant who can win with town. Nothing in his claim has struck scum bells or liar bells in my head, especially given his responses to doubts on his claim. As of right now, other scum are more dangerous than this third party (especially since Galz can't kill) and so I am on the lookout for those scum. If and when new information comes to light, I will reexamine Galz, but for now he's off the table for me.
Final thoughts on skip: I think his play during the day has come up on the scummy side, but the role power that he has (which I received) is not a scum rolepower.
So, I am going to stay on WCD and I think skip is likely town, but I would be willing to join his lynch if it's our only option.
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
Also reiterating, I will not be lynching skip today, and will be actively against it.
I can't remember exactly why I was voting WCD, so I'll need to reread her and e and see what I want.
Oh, I did not realize that was so close. Ill hopefully be able to get to stuff today but it's Sunday so we'll see. I'm at least comfortable with my vote right now, willing to switch to e if necessary. Would also lynch galz if no other option becomes available. Will not lynch skip.
I'm not voting for EFHW right now. The Galz business is 8x more exciting than this.
vote: Galzria
And Didds too; I'd vote Didds
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.Did you figure this out before or after you started the day by voting for EFWH for no apparent reasom?
I'm still feeling down for WCD. Gonna look at things, but tonight is family game night. Ain't no game night like herding shraeye's family
Didds. Thoughts on mailmi??
Yeah, reread confirms.
Vote: Didds
I was looking for evidence that, despite my memories, Didds was participating in this game. Did not find.
Okay, fair enough, Didds being dead works for me.
Vote: Didds
I vastly prefer Didds to Galz here. I also don’t think a scum who has claimed an expendable third party tries to lynch a partner as hard as Galz did. Especially when it looked like people were leaning towards going Didds. That essentially nails down two scum for one if people follow him on Didds.*occurs over two posts, I compiled them for clarity
I just can’t see Galz making up such an awful *claim to connect to a weird petition thing.
Especially considering the flavor of the thing already pointing to that."
8. He spent most of his D1 time voting for town. That alone isn't a big thing, but it fits with a scum!Galzria picture.
Here are the relevant posts. I haven't included anything about the "education" he received or discussions of bus driving/chaos/etc.
Here are the relevant posts. I haven't included anything about the "education" he received or discussions of bus driving/chaos/etc.
I think considering the "education" is relevant, though, because he's hard-definding another player because of it. Do you think that's likely scum behaviour? Also, do you personally feel any differently about Skip's possible alignment in light of it?
8. He spent most of his D1 time voting for town. That alone isn't a big thing, but it fits with a scum!Galzria picture.
How consistent would that be with SK!Galz? Obviously he'd probably rather be voting for Mafia than town, but that can be hard to figure out D1.
8. He spent most of his D1 time voting for town. That alone isn't a big thing, but it fits with a scum!Galzria picture.
How consistent would that be with SK!Galz? Obviously he'd probably rather be voting for Mafia than town, but that can be hard to figure out D1.
It’s a literal non-tell for anybody.
I spent “most” of the day voting for Town. I voted Cayvie in 194, MiX in 275, and I hammered Pubby at 514.
Swan spent “most” of the day voting for Town. He voted Eddie in 149, MiX in 295, and Pubby in 409.
Shraeye spent “most” of the day voting for Town. He voted MiX (only) in 273.
Mail-Mi spent “most” of the day voting Town. He voted MiX in 60, Cayvie in 198, and MiX in 219.
I agree with Galz on this.8. He spent most of his D1 time voting for town. That alone isn't a big thing, but it fits with a scum!Galzria picture.
How consistent would that be with SK!Galz? Obviously he'd probably rather be voting for Mafia than town, but that can be hard to figure out D1.
It’s a literal non-tell for anybody.
I spent “most” of the day voting for Town. I voted Cayvie in 194, MiX in 275, and I hammered Pubby at 514.
Swan spent “most” of the day voting for Town. He voted Eddie in 149, MiX in 295, and Pubby in 409.
Shraeye spent “most” of the day voting for Town. He voted MiX (only) in 273.
Mail-Mi spent “most” of the day voting Town. He voted MiX in 60, Cayvie in 198, and MiX in 219.
Vote: WCD - She's Scum McScumerston. There's a tick I only just noticed on re-read that I'll happily divulge at game's end. But I'm very confident in this read.
Didds - I think this is the first time I've ever thought you were scum. Well, no - You used to have a different tick as scum, and then I divulged that, and you broke it. ;D But I'm pretty confident in this one - so, once I post it at game-end, I expect it won't last another game further. C'est la Vie. Like Mail-Mi said earlier, I'm playing for this game, not future ones.
Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)
I'm not scum. Lynching me would be pointless.
Signing your petition = death. I don't see how that is good for town at all. And why would anyone risk signing now when there is not benefit?
You are scum, but I'm not going to have a debate with you about it.
Signing doesn't = death, but that's what you wanted to frame it as when you shot LL knowing he was signing it last night. That's cool. You can lynch me, I'll flip Anthony Walker, A Delusional Humanist. At night, the meeting QT will still be generated, and the petition will still go out. Everything I've claimed will happen will continue to happen. People will probably sign it in secret, just to prove you wrong (and me right) because that's how people are. Tomorrow, you'll get lynched, and you'll flip scum - clearing everything I've stated as being true, as I'll flip what I've claimed, and you'll flip whatever flavor of scum you actually are.
Regarding WCD being scum: I did provide my reasons. Two of them.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.
The second is that in re-reading the thread from start to finish, I find it really rather clear at multiple points in time that she’s not playing to a Town wincon. You can feel free to disagree. Swan clearly does. Reads are inherently biased, and everybody is entitled to make their own judgements. I’m not going to write a novel using the same posts everybody else is welcome to go back and read themselves already just to have Faust go “no, that’s townie of her”. You feel that way? Cool. I don’t. That’s my read. My having that read doesn’t make me scum anymore than Swan is scum for town reading her.
In the interest of completion, here is Galz's case on me. It pretty much boils down to "trust me, I know her".Vote: WCD - She's Scum McScumerston. There's a tick I only just noticed on re-read that I'll happily divulge at game's end. But I'm very confident in this read.
Didds - I think this is the first time I've ever thought you were scum. Well, no - You used to have a different tick as scum, and then I divulged that, and you broke it. ;D But I'm pretty confident in this one - so, once I post it at game-end, I expect it won't last another game further. C'est la Vie. Like Mail-Mi said earlier, I'm playing for this game, not future ones.Intent to hammer myself is still in place if I reach L-1.
I have not lied about anything, and am exactly as claimed.
WCD is scum, and you should lynch her.
Eddie is correct that scum likely choose to kill LaLight based on knowledge that he was signing (LaLight, I apologize that your good-deed got punished!)I'm not scum. Lynching me would be pointless.
Signing your petition = death. I don't see how that is good for town at all. And why would anyone risk signing now when there is not benefit?
You are scum, but I'm not going to have a debate with you about it.
Signing doesn't = death, but that's what you wanted to frame it as when you shot LL knowing he was signing it last night. That's cool. You can lynch me, I'll flip Anthony Walker, A Delusional Humanist. At night, the meeting QT will still be generated, and the petition will still go out. Everything I've claimed will happen will continue to happen. People will probably sign it in secret, just to prove you wrong (and me right) because that's how people are. Tomorrow, you'll get lynched, and you'll flip scum - clearing everything I've stated as being true, as I'll flip what I've claimed, and you'll flip whatever flavor of scum you actually are.Regarding WCD being scum: I did provide my reasons. Two of them.
The first is that she has a tell. If I’m correct, which I believe I am, I’m not really interested in divulging it as it’s usefulness ceases to exist the moment she can alter it - and it’s not so prevalent yet that she can’t simply say “nun-uh!” here and now, change it going forward, and it would get overlooked. Anybody that’s actually interested in finding it has access to all the same data points that I do.
The second is that in re-reading the thread from start to finish, I find it really rather clear at multiple points in time that she’s not playing to a Town wincon. You can feel free to disagree. Swan clearly does. Reads are inherently biased, and everybody is entitled to make their own judgements. I’m not going to write a novel using the same posts everybody else is welcome to go back and read themselves already just to have Faust go “no, that’s townie of her”. You feel that way? Cool. I don’t. That’s my read. My having that read doesn’t make me scum anymore than Swan is scum for town reading her.
Okay, it might be time for me to start asking people questions.
@Galz, early in the game (around #220), you were voting Cayvie, along with pubby and MiX. A little later one, Didds joined the wagon, though at #275 you moved off to the growing MiX wagon. Anyway, in that period where you and two flipped townies were voting Cayvie, what's your best guess about what scum was up to?
I'm using this to distract myself from the work that I'm supposed to be doing... and that I promised would be done by tomorrow morning but still has about 12 hours of work to be done (gonna be a long night). If I don't close the tab, I can't help but refresh it, and then I end up reading & posting &... damnit. Alright. C'mon Galz. Answer and get back to work. :P
Strictly speaking, the problem with answering your question is that I don't know Cayvie's alignment. My current thought is that she's some form of SK variant, but I don't actually know. She could be town, she could be traditional scum.
Let's assume she's town. I popped onto her because of a very small thing that stood out to me - something she confirmed was a good read generally, even if it was wrong in this specific situation. Mix (town), and Pubby (town) both voted for her as well. I would expect, if Cayvie is town (or even SK - "not-scum" as I'm using it), at least one traditional scum would find their way over to that wagon. It wasn't enough of a case to drive home a lynch, but it was good enough (and with Cayvie saying so herself) that a vote there could go generally unnoticed or criticized. As per VC 1.5 - that would make WCD.
Then the MiX (town) wagon began to be a thing. As I said at the time, MiX and his reactions are extremely predictable. I voted him because I wanted to drive the wagon up - not to see how MiX responded, but to see how everybody else responded.
So, honestly, look at VC 1.7. On wagon when I voted was Mail (unknown), Shraeye (unknown), Swan (unknown). Voting after me was faust (unknown), LaLight (town), pubby (town). This is one of the reasons faust is higher up on my "possibly scum" list. I know that I'm not town - but I'm also not scum - I don't believe the MiX wagon finished with 4x"not-scum" votes. Although it's not impossible, and also not impossible is that I'm wrong about one of Mail-Mi, Shraeye & Swan. If I were to pick one to be wrong about, it would be Shraeye - but I honestly read him (as well as the other two) as townie overall, so... eh.
But if you believe that there was only one traditional scum on that wagon, and if you work under the assumption that Cayvie is not traditional scum, then there are probably two scum left out there amongst WCD, Uncle, EFHW, Skip & e!. You'll notice that in my reads list in #729, WCD is top of my scum list, and EFHW, Skip and e! are all middling. The only one of those that I'm town reading is Uncle.
I've pointed all this out before, but here's a neat overview, starting with the most damning.
1. If the petition serves no other purpose than for Galzria's win condition, then the process makes no sense. A player would need to sign, and then agree again after enough signatures are in. There is no game-design reason for requiring the second approval, as it doesn't matter to the player and they already made a choice.
2. As pointed out, the claim is inconsistent - Galz doesn't know the identities of the signees, but gets to choose one of them. First of all he would have us believe that he did not notice this discrepancy until he claimed today. Also, he would have us believe that ashersky did not provide clarification for an integral part of his role. That's not the mod!ashersky that I know, and it doesn't fit my with interactions with ashersky in this game.
I think the solution here is that actually Galzria doesn't know the signees, but the thing that the signatures do is something else, which is how it happened that he made a claim that doesn't quite work.
3. It doesn't make a lot of sense flavor-wise. Yon sign a petition to do something, and if enough people sign it... nothing happens to further the purpose of the petition? Come on.
4. It's weird that the number claimed doesn't coincide with the number of players who posted. I think it is very unlikely that anyone in this game would choose to not post in a neighborhood.
5. Galzria offered to self-hammer, which doesn't work at all with a Survivor-like role. As a scum gambit, it makes more sense.
6. His persistence on Didds is nonsense. He wants her lynched, but doesn't want to say any reasons that might convince others because ... maybe she'll say something more incriminating? Well there's not much time left for that in this day. I think that he has nothing on Didds actually, and the case is made up, there is no scumtell. Galzria just wants to be seen arguing against Didds for some reason. And a Survivor doesn't have a reason to make up disingenuous reads.
7. He says he could be randomly included in the neighborhood he generates. So like... he can sign his own petition, but only sometimes, up to RNG? Seems unnecessarily swingy without reason, he could just always be in there or never.
Uh I mean, it's kind of consistent? I don't really think about SK!Galz that much, obviously that could be, but I think there's something behind his Didds push that relates to his win condition.8. He spent most of his D1 time voting for town. That alone isn't a big thing, but it fits with a scum!Galzria picture.
How consistent would that be with SK!Galz? Obviously he'd probably rather be voting for Mafia than town, but that can be hard to figure out D1.
So Galzria claims his role would basically expose him in the QT would he ever be in it? Or otherwise he'd have to argue against signing the petition for his own non-signing to make sense. Another point that doesn't make sense.7. He says he could be randomly included in the neighborhood he generates. So like... he can sign his own petition, but only sometimes, up to RNG? Seems unnecessarily swingy without reason, he could just always be in there or never.
You've obviously missed the part where I've claimed that I cannot sign my own petition. Also, note that I've said the signatures must be unique as well.
So, my final assessment is that my wagon is at least half non-town folk.
Galz isn't trying to help town. We know that Volm are alien town, and his desire to end them (along with any alien scum) isn't helpful to us at all. Further, I have a feeling that his lock on me was the result of not signing the petition. He claims not to know who has signed and not signed, but there was zero surprise to the disclosure of who had and had not signed. It is too strange, and far too opportunistic, not to be related. "WCD has a tell, she's scum. What? You didn't sign my petition? Totally scum." Don't forget that he used the example of LL signing the petition in #789, well before Eddie and I said that LL had signed the petition.
His account also doesn't make sense with the supposed random selection of the QT and his desire to hunt scum. So, if scum signs, and becomes his proxy, then he gets the scum wincon. So, he's scum. If an alien signs, and becomes his proxy, he can't win no matter what. So, dead man walking. He is a Schrodinger's galz...scum and town simultaneously....AND alien and human simultaneously.
So, vote: Galzria
Mail-mi is slinking along the edges of the game without engaging much. I find him straight up scummier than Galz, and would switch, but I am not voting there now in the interest of consolidation.
How nice of Glazria to rehash his unconvincing talking points. Anyways I'm going to go to bed now, and I sure hope that I'll wake up to a dead Galzria.
One last thing though:So Galzria claims his role would basically expose him in the QT would he ever be in it? Or otherwise he'd have to argue against signing the petition for his own non-signing to make sense. Another point that doesn't make sense.7. He says he could be randomly included in the neighborhood he generates. So like... he can sign his own petition, but only sometimes, up to RNG? Seems unnecessarily swingy without reason, he could just always be in there or never.
You've obviously missed the part where I've claimed that I cannot sign my own petition. Also, note that I've said the signatures must be unique as well.
Lynches I would strongly consider at this point, I think:
WCD
Mail-Mi (This has been a recent development. Obviously I town read him earlier. Didds (and I feel like others?) has made some solid points... and... I dunno. He felt crazy, crazy townie D1. He doesn't D2.)
EFHW
faust
Lynches I don't think are great, but meh:
e!
Eddie
Skip
Swan
Shraeye
Lynches that shouldn't ever happen but apparently be listed anyway because... Swan:
Space
It doesn't seem like I'll have time to reread today, sorry y'all.
Also there's a very IRL reason I've been more disengaged D2 and kinda skirting along: it's the end of the semester, which means final projects and finals are coming due. I've just been busier than I was D1
It doesn't seem like I'll have time to reread today, sorry y'all.
Also there's a very IRL reason I've been more disengaged D2 and kinda skirting along: it's the end of the semester, which means final projects and finals are coming due. I've just been busier than I was D1
would you consider Eddie or EFHW over WCD?
OK - caught up. Just gonna broad stroke it.
@ Galz:
1) Your case on WCD is weak, at best. Like it doesn't even matter. You could divulge what you think WCD's quirk is at this point and there is so little time left in the day people would not have time to even attempt to go back and read games to verify it. And even if they did, well I can't speak for others, but for me even if it added up it wouldn't swing me.
2) That actually is kind of my whole basis on why you almost must be what you claim to be - I dont think you bring that case forward as skum and tunnel it like this.
3) I do not want to lynch you, but I will lynch you before WCD. I also do not believe I want to lynch faust. From my POV, if you are skum, then he is not skum... and if you are Survivor and he is skum, he would not want to lynch you, he would want to lynch town. EFHW I would lynch over Galz/Faust/WCD, so if you wanna try for that, I will join you there for now. But it is purely based a pool of people that I do not want to lynch and EFHW coming in 4th out of 4.
@ faust - is there no one in the game you think there is a better chance of finding skum over galz?
Fun times rereading on a Sunday!
There are 4 people voting for me, all with very little actual reason aside from I have a tick (Glaz), and I don't seem like me (Mail-mi and Eddie) and I am not participating (Shraeye). Here is what I get from the reread on mail-mi....he spends most of D1 gunning for MiX. Then on D2, he defends Galz, and then Skip, and now is willing to lynch Galz. He votes for WCD, can't remember why, then says he's cool with the vote, but could also go Galz. This, in conjunction with coloring himself green on the MiX wagon demonstrates to me that he isn't much interested in finding scum. He's doing no hunting, just kind of hanging about and defending.
Here are the relevant posts. I haven't included anything about the "education" he received or discussions of bus driving/chaos/etc.
OK - caught up. Just gonna broad stroke it.
@ Galz:
1) Your case on WCD is weak, at best. Like it doesn't even matter. You could divulge what you think WCD's quirk is at this point and there is so little time left in the day people would not have time to even attempt to go back and read games to verify it. And even if they did, well I can't speak for others, but for me even if it added up it wouldn't swing me.
2) That actually is kind of my whole basis on why you almost must be what you claim to be - I dont think you bring that case forward as skum and tunnel it like this.
3) I do not want to lynch you, but I will lynch you before WCD. I also do not believe I want to lynch faust. From my POV, if you are skum, then he is not skum... and if you are Survivor and he is skum, he would not want to lynch you, he would want to lynch town. EFHW I would lynch over Galz/Faust/WCD, so if you wanna try for that, I will join you there for now. But it is purely based a pool of people that I do not want to lynch and EFHW coming in 4th out of 4.
Why in the world would scum!faust not want to lynch Survivor!me (or SK!me)? Both are literally the exact same thing as a town lynch to him, and I have a ready-made case against me that he can push without taking flak as being a "scummy" thing to do when I flip?
OK - caught up. Just gonna broad stroke it.
@ Galz:
1) Your case on WCD is weak, at best. Like it doesn't even matter. You could divulge what you think WCD's quirk is at this point and there is so little time left in the day people would not have time to even attempt to go back and read games to verify it. And even if they did, well I can't speak for others, but for me even if it added up it wouldn't swing me.
2) That actually is kind of my whole basis on why you almost must be what you claim to be - I dont think you bring that case forward as skum and tunnel it like this.
3) I do not want to lynch you, but I will lynch you before WCD. I also do not believe I want to lynch faust. From my POV, if you are skum, then he is not skum... and if you are Survivor and he is skum, he would not want to lynch you, he would want to lynch town. EFHW I would lynch over Galz/Faust/WCD, so if you wanna try for that, I will join you there for now. But it is purely based a pool of people that I do not want to lynch and EFHW coming in 4th out of 4.
Why in the world would scum!faust not want to lynch Survivor!me (or SK!me)? Both are literally the exact same thing as a town lynch to him, and I have a ready-made case against me that he can push without taking flak as being a "scummy" thing to do when I flip?
because this is an RMM. So if he is skum and you are survivor, then he has to believe your claim essentially. That is not a threat to him weighed against potential town!PRs that exist somewhere else.
The sk point is fair enough.
I have a few thoughts on people, which I'll share in the morning if that seems like a good idea then.Is there someone else that you are sure is mafia? Because then I'm happy to switch.
Other general thought: I think I agree with the people who'd rather see a Mafia lynch if we can today, and I'm not sure Galz is reall Mafia. Anyone want to persuade me otherwise before I wake up aagin in ~8 hours from now?
Eh, I'll put together a case, but the burden of proof against Galz for some reason seems to be much higher than against anyone else.
I don't really want to share that right now.True (modulo the fact where you could totally be scum), but a town lynch is a town lynch, and all those other votes seem so incredibly weak that they might very easily be on town. Or so it seems to me.@Everyone not on Galzria: Could you explain why you have such a strong read on whoever you're voting for that you are willing to forgo a guaranteed non-town lynch in order to push it thorugh?
A “non-town” lynch is not a “scum” lynch. Town already has 3 dead members. It’s likely to be 4, and possibly more, at day start tomorrow. Town needs a scum lynch far more than they need a “non-town” lynch. Lynching me helps bring the potential votes against scum down by at least two. With 12 alive, 7 to lynch, it’ll go down to 10 alive, 6 to lynch (assuming only one death). Given there’s likely a scum faction of 3 in the game - tomorrow’s lynch would require 6-of-7 “non-scum” (there may be other “non-town” players, like SK) to get a scum lynch through.
Lynching me now just puts Town in a worse spot than they are in today by taking away at least two votes that can be cast against scum.
Who is scum other than Galz? Because you seem to be town reading this entire group.
Wow...you are the delusional humanist. I am not scum. Not even a little bit. Your certainty is laughable, but also infuriating because the only way for me to prove that you're wrong is to die, and then I am dead and you win and you don't even care that you are completely mischaracterizing me.
If you think anyone would sign to prove me wrong you are WAAAYYY overestimating my value to anyone in this game.
Even your scenario doesn't make sense. If Lalight was killed because he signed, Eddie is just as likely to have done it. You zeroing in on me says something else is going on here.
vote: faust
OK - caught up. Just gonna broad stroke it.
@ Galz:
1) Your case on WCD is weak, at best. Like it doesn't even matter. You could divulge what you think WCD's quirk is at this point and there is so little time left in the day people would not have time to even attempt to go back and read games to verify it. And even if they did, well I can't speak for others, but for me even if it added up it wouldn't swing me.
2) That actually is kind of my whole basis on why you almost must be what you claim to be - I dont think you bring that case forward as skum and tunnel it like this.
3) I do not want to lynch you, but I will lynch you before WCD. I also do not believe I want to lynch faust. From my POV, if you are skum, then he is not skum... and if you are Survivor and he is skum, he would not want to lynch you, he would want to lynch town. EFHW I would lynch over Galz/Faust/WCD, so if you wanna try for that, I will join you there for now. But it is purely based a pool of people that I do not want to lynch and EFHW coming in 4th out of 4.
Why in the world would scum!faust not want to lynch Survivor!me (or SK!me)? Both are literally the exact same thing as a town lynch to him, and I have a ready-made case against me that he can push without taking flak as being a "scummy" thing to do when I flip?
because this is an RMM. So if he is skum and you are survivor, then he has to believe your claim essentially. That is not a threat to him weighed against potential town!PRs that exist somewhere else.
The sk point is fair enough.
And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.
OK - caught up. Just gonna broad stroke it.
@ Galz:
1) Your case on WCD is weak, at best. Like it doesn't even matter. You could divulge what you think WCD's quirk is at this point and there is so little time left in the day people would not have time to even attempt to go back and read games to verify it. And even if they did, well I can't speak for others, but for me even if it added up it wouldn't swing me.
2) That actually is kind of my whole basis on why you almost must be what you claim to be - I dont think you bring that case forward as skum and tunnel it like this.
3) I do not want to lynch you, but I will lynch you before WCD. I also do not believe I want to lynch faust. From my POV, if you are skum, then he is not skum... and if you are Survivor and he is skum, he would not want to lynch you, he would want to lynch town. EFHW I would lynch over Galz/Faust/WCD, so if you wanna try for that, I will join you there for now. But it is purely based a pool of people that I do not want to lynch and EFHW coming in 4th out of 4.
Why in the world would scum!faust not want to lynch Survivor!me (or SK!me)? Both are literally the exact same thing as a town lynch to him, and I have a ready-made case against me that he can push without taking flak as being a "scummy" thing to do when I flip?
because this is an RMM. So if he is skum and you are survivor, then he has to believe your claim essentially. That is not a threat to him weighed against potential town!PRs that exist somewhere else.
The sk point is fair enough.
And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.
k fair - but if your read on faust that makes sense, which I suppose it at least has merit to it, is "he is alien skum he would want me dead bc we can't win together", why would you spend the whole day pushing WCD instead of faust?
to clarify - unless I am missing something, your read on WCD is she is skum. Which is good for you at this point if true if they get lynched. But no where near as good as alien skum... or even probably alien town... though I have no idea how you would get a read on alien town, so I guess that doesn't matter. But still, Alien!skum is def better for you then Random!Skum.
right I mean, but he could be alien town as well right?
he still could not win with you as alien town unless I am not getting something?
Lynches I would strongly consider at this point, I think:
WCD
Mail-Mi (This has been a recent development. Obviously I town read him earlier. Didds (and I feel like others?) has made some solid points... and... I dunno. He felt crazy, crazy townie D1. He doesn't D2.)
EFHW
faust
Lynches I don't think are great, but meh:
e!
Eddie
Skip
Swan
Shraeye
Lynches that won't ever happen but should be listed anyway because... Swan:
Space
Lynches I would strongly consider at this point, I think:
WCD
Mail-Mi (This has been a recent development. Obviously I town read him earlier. Didds (and I feel like others?) has made some solid points... and... I dunno. He felt crazy, crazy townie D1. He doesn't D2.)
EFHW
faust
Lynches I don't think are great, but meh:
e!
Eddie
Skip
Swan
Shraeye
Lynches that won't ever happen but should be listed anyway because... Swan:
Space
now that you've made me check to make sure i wasn't daykilled, i notice you haven't listed me here. just forget? still think im sk?
like okay, how's this for a theory on what Galz is lying about
what if he is a survivor with some weird powers and actually the petition is designed to get rid of Galz? or hurt Galz in some way? i definitely buy that galz is third party, but the thing that has always struck me as odd about his claim is--why would he claim the part about the signatures? there was no need to. it only hurts him.
if galz is telling the truth, then every other player in the game knows that correct strategy is just "don't sign the petition at night"
so i'm thinking that galz is canny enough to know this--and predicted that would be the outcome of his claim. he did this because he doesn't want signatures on the petition. because it hurts him in some way.
Yeah..
I will go with
Vote:EFHW
Better than WCD by a mile. Closely followed by Galz imo.
And while I appreciate Galz case, which is why they are grouped close to WCD there... I just don't want faust today.
No Space.
No Space.
Sorry.. I was unable to resist Maxford's DVD-watching demands :-P Back now!
Lockdown-life is hectic and stressful, so I feel like it's worth savouring the fact that I do actually have a friend to share it with and keep me moderately sane. Hope you're all doing okay.
No Space.
Sorry.. I was unable to resist Maxford's DVD-watching demands :-P Back now!
Lockdown-life is hectic and stressful, so I feel like it's worth savouring the fact that I do actually have a friend to share it with and keep me moderately sane. Hope you're all doing okay.
Is deadline in ~2 hours, or am I wrong?
I haven’t slept in too long, and I have been holding out for deadline, but I think it is starting to not be worth it.
Yeah..
I will go with
Vote:EFHW
Better than WCD by a mile. Closely followed by Galz imo.
And while I appreciate Galz case, which is why they are grouped close to WCD there... I just don't want faust today.
Vote didn't count. No Space.
Why do you think EFHW has a better chance of flipping scum than faust?
Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.
It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.
Also, Swowl, you still think I’m a baddie?
I’m so tired I just want to ramble a bit.
Also, Swowl, you still think I’m a baddie?
I’m so tired I just want to ramble a bit.
meh. I do but for the same reasons as always, which are about as solid as Galz' reasons on WCD so yeah. But not enough to care right now.
Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.
It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.
Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.
no not always.
I mean I tend to always get weird vibes off you when we play, but it isn't like 100% of the time.
I don't even remember all the reasons, they are posted back in day 1 somewhere. I can dig em up later, I am multi tasking right now.
No Space.
Sorry.. I was unable to resist Maxford's DVD-watching demands :-P Back now!
Lockdown-life is hectic and stressful, so I feel like it's worth savouring the fact that I do actually have a friend to share it with and keep me moderately sane. Hope you're all doing okay.
It's a weird feeling to feel both like "nothing is going on and you have all the free time in the world..." and also "super stressed and not enough time to get to all the things you need/want to get to". Days go by right now and I'm not even sure how... except that I know there's always stuff I can (should) be doing. "Nothing to do" and "Always something else on the list" don't seem like they can co-exist, but they do!
And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.
Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.
You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.
And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.
Like, if he's Alien Town, then yes, he and I cannot win together.Also untrue, except for that you lied about your win-con.
I'm confident that based on the win-con you have claimed, it's possible for both you and town!aliens (or scum!aliens) to both win the game.And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.
Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.
Like, if he's Alien Town, then yes, he and I cannot win together.Also untrue, except for that you lied about your win-con.
I'm confident that based on the win-con you have claimed, it's possible for both you and town!aliens (or scum!aliens) to both win the game.And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.
elaborate plz
Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.
Otherwinconslip!
I'm confident that based on the win-con you have claimed, it's possible for both you and town!aliens (or scum!aliens) to both win the game.And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.
Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.
Otherwinconslip!
misquote:
Elaborate plz
Vote: Galzria
I have not lied. Not a single word.
Okay, here's where I'm at.
Vote: Galz L-1
This shouldn't, by his admission, actually hurt his chances at his stated wincon. However, even if he's exactly what he claims to be, his flip may give town information about whether his death is something mafia themselves are likely to be pushing for actively, which helps us with wagon analysis. Meanwhile, someone who's going to be alive tomorrow should read through and check whether his "buckets" theory for WCD's scum-tell pans out. Her self-defence reaction right now reads quite genuine to me, but I'm not the greatest at that kind of reading.
Another person I'd like to look more at would be mail-mi, from VCA and also from the lack of follow-through on the question I directed at him.
Okay, here's where I'm at.
Vote: Galz L-1
This shouldn't, by his admission, actually hurt his chances at his stated wincon. However, even if he's exactly what he claims to be, his flip may give town information about whether his death is something mafia themselves are likely to be pushing for actively, which helps us with wagon analysis. Meanwhile, someone who's going to be alive tomorrow should read through and check whether his "buckets" theory for WCD's scum-tell pans out. Her self-defence reaction right now reads quite genuine to me, but I'm not the greatest at that kind of reading.
Another person I'd like to look more at would be mail-mi, from VCA and also from the lack of follow-through on the question I directed at him.
Vote: Galzria
I have not lied. Not a single word.
Vote: Galzria
I have not lied. Not a single word.
Is there a reason for the self hammer?
In Ash’s spirit:I'd have preferred if you channelled ash's spirit for a good old self-vote.
Vote: pubby
Galz lied!
Galz lied!
?
I guess Cayvie signed?
Do we get an alignment on WCD?
Also, when do we get to lynch EFHW?
WCD was shot and killed during the night. She was 西海岸ディッズ, a Dornian.
2 questions for any flavor experts:
1)Are Darnia likely good guys or bad guys?
2)Is Isabella a character that is likely to be a delusional humanist, or is the assumption that there was some alignment change?
Obvious question would be I think if anyone got the contract thing. If there is a reason not to claim that out, then whatever I guess hold off.I am all for everyone claiming that.
Cayvie claimed Alien.
Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
No, I don't think it is.Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
I can concur with skip hereNo, I don't think it is.Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at 20:00 on May 1 forum time.Are we still doing 10-day days? For some reason I assumed it would be 7-day days starting today.
I know why I thought this. It's because that's how it was in falling skies 1.With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at 20:00 on May 1 forum time.Are we still doing 10-day days? For some reason I assumed it would be 7-day days starting today.
I can concur with skip hereNo, I don't think it is.Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
I'd really prefer not to talk about it.I can concur with skip hereNo, I don't think it is.Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
so you are both aware of the same information?
I'd really prefer not to talk about it.I can concur with skip hereNo, I don't think it is.Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
so you are both aware of the same information?
I'm sorry for being so blunt, but I've put thought into this, and this seems to be the best play.
I mean, I wonder if there is no red faction here.That would not be that case though. Who killed cayvie?
Like, is yellow out only threat.
Obvious question would be I think if anyone got the contract thing. If there is a reason not to claim that out, then whatever I guess hold off. But if the sign thing went out again, and someone can confirm that cayvie signed it... that is kind of a go ahead for probably do not sign that anymore.I was in the petition QT with cayvie tonight. Noone signed.
I mean, I wonder if there is no red faction here.That would not be that case though. Who killed cayvie?
Like, is yellow out only threat.
I don't understand the question. Clearly not? Or I would not have claimed it.I mean, I wonder if there is no red faction here.That would not be that case though. Who killed cayvie?
Like, is yellow out only threat.
do you see a downside in:
1) answering if anyone signed
2) other people in there coming out?
Although, maybe not?From the list above, it seems more like Space entering the game was part of LaLight's role.
if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...
15 players = 5 scum?
Although, maybe not?From the list above, it seems more like Space entering the game was part of LaLight's role.
if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...
15 players = 5 scum?
Eddie asks lots of questions. Then supports keeping Galzria alive. This (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20091.msg833699#msg833699) post is also interesting.I agree that post is very interesting.
How do you know scum knows galz was more likely to be telling the truth than you have the ability to know?Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.
It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.
Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.
Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.
You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.
What you say means little to town at this point as well.
They would prefer to lynch:
anyone but you >> you >>>>>>> partner
1. 2.7I don't think didds flipped scum. Her color was maroon, the default color for ash's mod posts. Also her flavor name is towny. It seems like she just didn't flip.
2.MiX
3.LaLight-> 15. SpaceAnemone4. WCD5. cayvie
6.Galzria
7. faust
8. EFHW
9. Datswan
10. uncleeurope
11.pubby
12. shraeye
13. skip wooznum
14. mail-mi
So are we looking for more maroon scum or orange scum or another scum?
I think another orange scum makes the most sense.
Eddie asks lots of questions. Then supports keeping Galzria alive. This (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20091.msg833699#msg833699) post is also interesting.I agree that post is very interesting.How do you know scum knows galz was more likely to be telling the truth than you have the ability to know?Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.
It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.
Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.
Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.
You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.
What you say means little to town at this point as well.
They would prefer to lynch:
anyone but you >> you >>>>>>> partner
I think we should look for red scum based on reactions to Galzria's claim.
From a red scum's perspective:
- they know Galzria isn't on their faction
- the other nightkill had been claimed by a person not on their faction, they have no reason to suspect multiball
- thus, they would probably believe Galz is more or less telling the truth
- there is no benefit in a Galzria lynch, unless it's to avoid one of their team getting lynched.
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
It was a read.
It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.
Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
It was a read.
It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.
Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.
What if you are picking up on my unconscious guilt and mistaking it for scumminess?
I mean, that's my point.But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
How do you know Eddie isn't scum?
I mean, that's my point.But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
How do you know Eddie isn't scum?
Unless you're saying I'm doing the same thing I'm grilling eddie for doing, namely, talking to a player of unknown alignment, and assuming, for the purpose of having a dialogue with them, that they know they are telling the truth, in which case, touché.
I don't think the situations are alike, but it doesnt really matter.
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
It was a read.
It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.
Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.
What if you are picking up on my unconscious guilt and mistaking it for scumminess?
Have you become increasingly guilty between the games we have played together?
Because the guilt levels must be off the charts now.
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
It was a read.
It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.
Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.
What if you are picking up on my unconscious guilt and mistaking it for scumminess?
Have you become increasingly guilty between the games we have played together?
Because the guilt levels must be off the charts now.
Mind reading is a very inexact science. And I can't respond to your accusations in any meaningful way if that's all you have to go on.
1. 2.7I don't think didds flipped scum. Her color was maroon, the default color for ash's mod posts. Also her flavor name is towny. It seems like she just didn't flip.
2.MiX
3.LaLight-> 15. SpaceAnemone4. WCD5. cayvie
6.Galzria
7. faust
8. EFHW
9. Datswan
10. uncleeurope
11.pubby
12. shraeye
13. skip wooznum
14. mail-mi
So are we looking for more maroon scum or orange scum or another scum?
I think another orange scum makes the most sense.
But how did you know galz wasn't scum?
It was a read.
It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.
Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.
What if you are picking up on my unconscious guilt and mistaking it for scumminess?
Have you become increasingly guilty between the games we have played together?
Because the guilt levels must be off the charts now.
Mind reading is a very inexact science. And I can't respond to your accusations in any meaningful way if that's all you have to go on.
Exactly, which makes it the perfect case. It’s foolproof. There is no counter.
Exactly, which makes it the perfect case. It’s foolproof. There is no counter.
Those are the best types of cases.
I can concur with skip hereNo, I don't think it is.Cayvie claimed Alien.
thats it?
also education info - probably time for some of that
so you are both aware of the same information?
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.I mean, not that it's beyond scum!me to plan a fight with a partner, but I like to think that scum!me can come up with a fakeclaim that doesn't crumble that easily. I think the claim wasn't planned during N1, or it would have been better.
Even if it wasn't planned, I can still see you turning on partner Galz like that.I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.I mean, not that it's beyond scum!me to plan a fight with a partner, but I like to think that scum!me can come up with a fakeclaim that doesn't crumble that easily. I think the claim wasn't planned during N1, or it would have been better.
Have you looked at the faust-cayvie interactions?Even if it wasn't planned, I can still see you turning on partner Galz like that.I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.I mean, not that it's beyond scum!me to plan a fight with a partner, but I like to think that scum!me can come up with a fakeclaim that doesn't crumble that easily. I think the claim wasn't planned during N1, or it would have been better.
Have you looked at the faust-cayvie interactions?Even if it wasn't planned, I can still see you turning on partner Galz like that.I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.I mean, not that it's beyond scum!me to plan a fight with a partner, but I like to think that scum!me can come up with a fakeclaim that doesn't crumble that easily. I think the claim wasn't planned during N1, or it would have been better.
I mean, I wonder if there is no red faction here.That would not be that case though. Who killed cayvie?
Like, is yellow out only threat.
like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
Considering that cayvie flipped scum, I have certain reservations about taking that claim at face value.I mean, I wonder if there is no red faction here.That would not be that case though. Who killed cayvie?
Like, is yellow out only threat.
Maybe Cayvie did?like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
QuoteConsidering that cayvie flipped scum, I have certain reservations about taking that claim at face value.like, sure, i'll just claim this part: one of my powers is a 1-shot vig. nice, right? except it only kills the person 25% of the time, and sometimes my gun reloads? oh and i'm also warned that guns are dangerous and i might accidentally shoot myself. so that's neat. oh, also, it's 75% "loud", which means that even if the person doesn't die, they know i tried to shoot them.
The part cayvie claimed about a 25% kill rate was almost certainly a lie, as she's now 2 for 2.The part about potentially being Loud seems like cover though. I guess it doesn't matter too much. Also since cayvie and Galzria flipped with the same role, I expect that faction's powers to all be factional.
The part about shooting herself was also probably a lie, because as scum that's an extremely weak gun to have.
Although, maybe not?
if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...
15 players = 5 scum?
Although, maybe not?
if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...
15 players = 5 scum?
might be high.
first off Space could of been built into LL's role like faust said. But who knows for real.
Second... Galz and Cayvie could actually of been an off brand survivor type role. We have no way of knowing.
... But if they were actually survivor ish, and Space was part of LL's role...
That is 14 - 2 non-ish alignments = 12 other players.... Its an RMM so who the hell knows but I think it is more like 3 skum... maybe maybe maybe 4. Like 2xRED and 1x SK or 3XRED or some variant of that.
So yeah... essentially I think we are looking for another color here.
Although, maybe not?
if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...
15 players = 5 scum?
might be high.
first off Space could of been built into LL's role like faust said. But who knows for real.
Second... Galz and Cayvie could actually of been an off brand survivor type role. We have no way of knowing.
... But if they were actually survivor ish, and Space was part of LL's role...
That is 14 - 2 non-ish alignments = 12 other players.... Its an RMM so who the hell knows but I think it is more like 3 skum... maybe maybe maybe 4. Like 2xRED and 1x SK or 3XRED or some variant of that.
So yeah... essentially I think we are looking for another color here.
Do you think we're looking for another partner for Galz and cayvie at all?
That's where I'm going to look at least for now, because that's one scum faction we know exists. They could have killed MiX and WCD, and we have an SK that's rampaging around or something that killed LL and cayvie.
and my current top candidate for their partner is faust, based on interactions with galz. EFHW is up there on the scumminess radar, but not necessarily as a partner to cayvie/galz.
3) Kill Selection - Additionally, if they are a team, then cayvie was part of that team too. Cayvie died... and they shot... WCD? I don't get that one. There were a lot of people that were willing to go for Didds yesterday, and while Galz flipping that color would not be great.... they also did not know Cayvie was gonna flip. So selling that flip as survivor and "galz was telling the truth" is not hard - which would then lead to Didds as an easy set up wagon. I would think if they were a skum team of 3 they would be more inclined to aim at like you/Skip for example.I mean - that one isn't hard to figure out. Didds flipped Alien, presumably they learned that she was an Alien somehow and they need to kill the Aliens.
1) Could be Survivors still - I am absolutely not sold that they were a form of skum. I mean, I suppose I lean that way, but I am at the like let's say 70% certainty level, not 100%. While I do not know what the explanations are, there could be a world in which we could explain kills here without them being a part of the equation.
2) faust and Galz fight - They are absolutely capable of putting on a show like that. In fact, if they are skum together, they probably would go out of their way to do it because they always but heads when they are town/town or town/skum anyways. That being said.... I got pretty genuine vibes off of there back and forth.
3) Kill Selection - Additionally, if they are a team, then cayvie was part of that team too. Cayvie died... and they shot... WCD? I don't get that one. There were a lot of people that were willing to go for Didds yesterday, and while Galz flipping that color would not be great.... they also did not know Cayvie was gonna flip. So selling that flip as survivor and "galz was telling the truth" is not hard - which would then lead to Didds as an easy set up wagon. I would think if they were a skum team of 3 they would be more inclined to aim at like you/Skip for example.
Either way - I am gonna look at it as a "searching for Red Team" and I will get back in a bit.
3) Kill Selection - Additionally, if they are a team, then cayvie was part of that team too. Cayvie died... and they shot... WCD? I don't get that one. There were a lot of people that were willing to go for Didds yesterday, and while Galz flipping that color would not be great.... they also did not know Cayvie was gonna flip. So selling that flip as survivor and "galz was telling the truth" is not hard - which would then lead to Didds as an easy set up wagon. I would think if they were a skum team of 3 they would be more inclined to aim at like you/Skip for example.I mean - that one isn't hard to figure out. Didds flipped Alien, presumably they learned that she was an Alien somehow and they need to kill the Aliens.
I got nothing last night either.Obvious question would be I think if anyone got the contract thing. If there is a reason not to claim that out, then whatever I guess hold off.I am all for everyone claiming that.
I was not invited to a petition signing qt last night.
Cayvie claimed Alien.So lies from Galz, lies from Cayvie. I'm willing to guess that Delusional Humanist is in fact a faction.
But we still have to have a regular scum faction I think because they would have been the ones to kill cayvieDoes SK make sense here?
1. 2.7Did LaLight turn into Space? I thought that Space just showed up?
2.MiX
3.LaLight-> 15. SpaceAnemone4. WCD5. cayvie
6.Galzria
7. faust
8. EFHW
9. Datswan
10. uncleeurope
11.pubby
12. shraeye
13. skip wooznum
14. mail-mi
So are we looking for more maroon scum or orange scum or another scum?
I think another orange scum makes the most sense.
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.I mean, not that it's beyond scum!me to plan a fight with a partner, but I like to think that scum!me can come up with a fakeclaim that doesn't crumble that easily. I think the claim wasn't planned during N1, or it would have been better.
Although, maybe not?
if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...
15 players = 5 scum?
first off Space could of been built into LL's role like faust said. But who knows for real.
1. 2.7Did LaLight turn into Space? I thought that Space just showed up?
2.MiX
3.LaLight-> 15. SpaceAnemone4. WCD5. cayvie
6.Galzria
7. faust
8. EFHW
9. Datswan
10. uncleeurope
11.pubby
12. shraeye
13. skip wooznum
14. mail-mi
So are we looking for more maroon scum or orange scum or another scum?
I think another orange scum makes the most sense.
Oh, I thougth that list was his own constrution. Nevermind, rescind my confusion.
e quoted the starting post, that's how it's listed in the starting post.
1) Could be Survivors still - I am absolutely not sold that they were a form of skum. I mean, I suppose I lean that way, but I am at the like let's say 70% certainty level, not 100%. While I do not know what the explanations are, there could be a world in which we could explain kills here without them being a part of the equation.
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.I mean, not that it's beyond scum!me to plan a fight with a partner, but I like to think that scum!me can come up with a fakeclaim that doesn't crumble that easily. I think the claim wasn't planned during N1, or it would have been better.
So you're saying, you would totally plan a fight. But that you can't be scum because Galz's claim was bad...
I don't follow that.
1) Could be Survivors still - I am absolutely not sold that they were a form of skum. I mean, I suppose I lean that way, but I am at the like let's say 70% certainty level, not 100%. While I do not know what the explanations are, there could be a world in which we could explain kills here without them being a part of the equation.
Galz wasn't a survivor yestrday, and he's definitely not survivor-with-teammate today.
I'm going back to see who kept saying Galz was a survivor. I think that's a stance that a possible second faction would take. If I were in a secret baddie club, and somebody came out saying "I'm survivor", my instinct would be to believe them instead of saying "what if they're also on a bad-guy team??"
Ah, I could actually see that.1) Could be Survivors still - I am absolutely not sold that they were a form of skum. I mean, I suppose I lean that way, but I am at the like let's say 70% certainty level, not 100%. While I do not know what the explanations are, there could be a world in which we could explain kills here without them being a part of the equation.
Galz wasn't a survivor yestrday, and he's definitely not survivor-with-teammate today.
I'm going back to see who kept saying Galz was a survivor. I think that's a stance that a possible second faction would take. If I were in a secret baddie club, and somebody came out saying "I'm survivor", my instinct would be to believe them instead of saying "what if they're also on a bad-guy team??"
Kind of... unless we think skum faction of aliens is a thing... in which case it would be the people pushing for his lynch.
The loss of anyone is a reason for grief. There are some -- friends, family -- that we never expect to lose. It is their losses that are the hardest to accept.
Matt Mason's body lies in repose, and in the dawning light he could be sleeping if you were not to pay attention. But his chest does not move, and almost everyone has a broken heart.
A stranger nears the body, tears streaming down her face. She takes Matt Mason's cold hand and sits next to him. She leans forward and whispers to him, "I will never forget you. I will avenge you. I promise."
She turns and looks at the rest of the group. "I'm Rita. And I do not forgive."
SpaceAnemone has joined the game! They are Rita, the Forgotten Family Friend.
shraeye, how often do you check your personal QT?I'm going to assume Uncle is also laughing at this absurd question. I check it enough. How often do YOU check your personal QT?
So you looked in it and did not find an invitation to a QT with me?shraeye, how often do you check your personal QT?I'm going to assume Uncle is also laughing at this absurd question. I check it enough. How often do YOU check your personal QT?
Uhh, nopeSo you looked in it and did not find an invitation to a QT with me?shraeye, how often do you check your personal QT?I'm going to assume Uncle is also laughing at this absurd question. I check it enough. How often do YOU check your personal QT?
This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.you definitelyb don't have a result on me
Convincing.This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.you definitelyb don't have a result on me
I'm also assuming that y'all are going to drop a reason for these votes eventuallyI can't speak for efhw, but I voted you because you're scum.
Uhh, nopeSo you looked in it and did not find an invitation to a QT with me?shraeye, how often do you check your personal QT?I'm going to assume Uncle is also laughing at this absurd question. I check it enough. How often do YOU check your personal QT?
For what it's worth, I also think it is reasonable to assume that someone on shraeye's team had access to the petition QT last night, and chose not to post in it.
@faust, are you claiming that a QT definitely existed, and that you have what you consider to be solid evidence that the mod invited Shraeye to it too?I assume this is no longer relevant now, since shraeye supports my claim, and my being town.
Without saying how or why the QT exists, or what other info may been posted in it, do you think it's possible Shraeye was blocked in such a way that the QT exists but he was not invited to it? In fact, you're welcome just to put a likelihood on how likely that scenario is given your understanding of the game.
PPE: hmm.. so now Shraeye corroborates what faust says?
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.
This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.you definitelyb don't have a result on me
@faust - Is there some way your qt invitation confirms you as town?Yes.
This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.
I'm waiting for faust to confirm he has no result on me.This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.you definitelyb don't have a result on me
Are you claiming ascetic?
That is a scummy scummy vote, son.This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.
Nice.
Vote: shraeye
I'm waiting for faust to confirm he has no result on me.This is absurd. shraeye is scum. I know this through my role power.you definitelyb don't have a result on me
Are you claiming ascetic?
classy answer skip. wrong, but classy.
Also, found fausts QT, he's a green-text dude. But still wrong.
So you think faust is lying town, out just scum?I haven't cast judgement yet, but those are not the only options.
I have heard out shraeye's claim in our QT. He is lying.Notice that faust is no longer saying "he is scum"
He is scum.I have heard out shraeye's claim in our QT. He is lying.Notice that faust is no longer saying "he is scum"
I have heard out shraeye's claim in our QT. He is lying.Notice that faust is no longer saying "he is scum"
I am not lying town.
A) not lying (what makes you think that?) and
B) Survivor wincon (did you miss that?)
I am not lying town.
A) not lying (what makes you think that?) and
B) Survivor wincon (did you miss that?)
I have heard out shraeye's claim in our QT. He is lying.Notice that faust is no longer saying "he is scum"
Space Count
EFHW (2): mail-mi, Uncleeurope
Shraeye (3): faust, EFHW, 2.71828.....
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Shraeye, skip wooznum
Vote Count: 3.1
EFHW (2): mail-mi, uncle
shraeye (2): faust, skip
Not Voting (9): 2.7, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, shraeye
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at 20:00 on May 1 forum time.
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.
Picking one of a number of Mail-mi posts to quote here. He seems convinced that faust is on the yellow-orange-flipping faction.
However, with Shraeye now claiming that faust is "a green-text dude", I think faust either has to be town, or he and Shraeye have to share a faction. If the latter, I think they're far more likely to be a different faction to Galz-Cayvie.
@Mail-mi, what's your thinking on Shraeye and faust here? Didn't you think Shraeye was scummy earlier anyway?
I never said that faust was lying. I think that he thinks he's right.
It's clear to me that he is making incorrect assumptions, and doesn't care to correct them.
The color I'll flip was not clear to me, and ash wouldn't clarify. I'm suspecting it's a bit like Didds.
Space Count
EFHW (2): mail-mi, Uncleeurope
Shraeye (3): faust, EFHW, 2.71828.....
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, DatSwan, Shraeye, skip wooznumVote Count: 3.1
EFHW (2): mail-mi, uncle
shraeye (2): faust, skip
Not Voting (9): 2.7, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, DatSwan, shraeye
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at 20:00 on May 1 forum time.
Did skip change their vote?
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.
Picking one of a number of Mail-mi posts to quote here. He seems convinced that faust is on the yellow-orange-flipping faction.
However, with Shraeye now claiming that faust is "a green-text dude", I think faust either has to be town, or he and Shraeye have to share a faction. If the latter, I think they're far more likely to be a different faction to Galz-Cayvie.
@Mail-mi, what's your thinking on Shraeye and faust here? Didn't you think Shraeye was scummy earlier anyway?
Well it certainly changes things. I don't believe Faust is conf!town here, but it does lessen my scum read on him. Also it seems like Shraeye is claiming survivor? How many nontown nonscum people do we have in this game?
This leads me to further believe that there is no redteam, though that seems misleading by Ash, so I could be wrong.
I think Faust may be our last orange scum. I can totally see him and Galz planning a fake fight for yesterday.
Picking one of a number of Mail-mi posts to quote here. He seems convinced that faust is on the yellow-orange-flipping faction.
However, with Shraeye now claiming that faust is "a green-text dude", I think faust either has to be town, or he and Shraeye have to share a faction. If the latter, I think they're far more likely to be a different faction to Galz-Cayvie.
@Mail-mi, what's your thinking on Shraeye and faust here? Didn't you think Shraeye was scummy earlier anyway?
Well it certainly changes things. I don't believe Faust is conf!town here, but it does lessen my scum read on him. Also it seems like Shraeye is claiming survivor? How many nontown nonscum people do we have in this game?
This leads me to further believe that there is no redteam, though that seems misleading by Ash, so I could be wrong.
That just seems hedgy.
If faust is scum, then he's probably a non-orange flavour. Why does that type of scum want to go after someone who's a survivor? Do you reckon it fits in with faust's factions win-con more than trying to kill off town?
Where does WCD's flip fit in your no-redteam theory? Note that Shraeye has hypothesised that he may flip in the same sort of way.
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I'd like to hear your full claim. I'm.sure there are others along with me.Let's speed that up, here's what he claimed to me:
I'd like to hear your full claim. I'm.sure there are others along with me.Let's speed that up, here's what he claimed to me:
- His name is The Last Princess, he's an Alien with Survivor wincon
- Someone is out there hunting for him, but he doesn't know who
- actions targeting him fail, unless 2 actions target him in the same night, in which case he dies.
- he has a kill, day or night, that only works on the player who's hunting him, and is publicly announced when used, no matter whether it's successful
- he can cancel a Day or Night phase, I assume only once
- he didn't see my QT until I pointed it out because he doesn't check his QT
- nothing else happened to him over the course of the game
Before this day ends, @faust, do you think with Cayvie's death the petition QT will happen again tonight? Do you think there's any risk to town inherent in that?Not sure. I think if it does, we should take that as indication that another member of that faction is still alive. I think as long as we don't sign it, is should not be dangerous. There's a little thing that worries me which is that twice, a player in the QT has died, but the second was cayvie herself, so it doesn't make a lot of sense in terms of this being their nightkill.
Fun extra info: I was the other person in the QT last night, but I forgot to check my QT at all until it was too late. About a quarter of the way through the posts, Cayvie said something that seemed to be the opposite of what I'd expected. It read as odd to me then, and even moreso now, given her flip. Did you pick up on that, and if so, do you want to discuss it?
I'd like to hear your full claim. I'm.sure there are others along with me.Let's speed that up, here's what he claimed to me:
- His name is The Last Princess, he's an Alien with Survivor wincon
- Someone is out there hunting for him, but he doesn't know who
- actions targeting him fail, unless 2 actions target him in the same night, in which case he dies.
- he has a kill, day or night, that only works on the player who's hunting him, and is publicly announced when used, no matter whether it's successful
- he can cancel a Day or Night phase, I assume only once
- he didn't see my QT until I pointed it out because he doesn't check his QT
- nothing else happened to him over the course of the game
I would assume it's a lie.I'd like to hear your full claim. I'm.sure there are others along with me.Let's speed that up, here's what he claimed to me:
- His name is The Last Princess, he's an Alien with Survivor wincon
- Someone is out there hunting for him, but he doesn't know who
- actions targeting him fail, unless 2 actions target him in the same night, in which case he dies.
- he has a kill, day or night, that only works on the player who's hunting him, and is publicly announced when used, no matter whether it's successful
- he can cancel a Day or Night phase, I assume only once
- he didn't see my QT until I pointed it out because he doesn't check his QT
- nothing else happened to him over the course of the game
So I would assume that Galz/cayvie was the hunter? Probably? @shraeye why didn't you use your shot on Galz?
I'd like to hear your full claim. I'm.sure there are others along with me.Let's speed that up, here's what he claimed to me:
- His name is The Last Princess, he's an Alien with Survivor wincon
- Someone is out there hunting for him, but he doesn't know who
- actions targeting him fail, unless 2 actions target him in the same night, in which case he dies.
- he has a kill, day or night, that only works on the player who's hunting him, and is publicly announced when used, no matter whether it's successful
- he can cancel a Day or Night phase, I assume only once
- he didn't see my QT until I pointed it out because he doesn't check his QT
- nothing else happened to him over the course of the game
I got nothing last night either.Obvious question would be I think if anyone got the contract thing. If there is a reason not to claim that out, then whatever I guess hold off.I am all for everyone claiming that.
I was not invited to a petition signing qt last night.
@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?
@faust,No. No.
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?
@faust, did you blackmail Shraeye?Yes.
@faust,No. No.
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?@faust, did you blackmail Shraeye?Yes.
How were you planning to make him die?@faust,No. No.
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?@faust, did you blackmail Shraeye?Yes.
@faust,No. No.
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?@faust, did you blackmail Shraeye?Yes.
Awesome. vote: faust
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
Ok, caught up. ish.
@shraeye,
1)Do you know faust is town, or did you say he was town without knowing if it was true, to avoid death?
2)Do you know the flavor name of your hunter/ are you notified if your hunter has died?
3)Why have you not already stopped a night phase?
4)Do killing actions targeting you fail as well (unless there are 2 in one night)?
@faust,
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?
I don't quite follow you. Are you agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, answering my question?Ok, caught up. ish.
@shraeye,
1)Do you know faust is town, or did you say he was town without knowing if it was true, to avoid death?
2)Do you know the flavor name of your hunter/ are you notified if your hunter has died?
3)Why have you not already stopped a night phase?
4)Do killing actions targeting you fail as well (unless there are 2 in one night)?
@faust,
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?
Because on your point #3, I feel like stopping a night before now would have been the townie thing to do. Except then partners can't kill people
I don't quite follow you. Are you agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, answering my question?Ok, caught up. ish.
@shraeye,
1)Do you know faust is town, or did you say he was town without knowing if it was true, to avoid death?
2)Do you know the flavor name of your hunter/ are you notified if your hunter has died?
3)Why have you not already stopped a night phase?
4)Do killing actions targeting you fail as well (unless there are 2 in one night)?
@faust,
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?
Because on your point #3, I feel like stopping a night before now would have been the townie thing to do. Except then partners can't kill people
I'd like to hear your full claim. I'm.sure there are others along with me.Let's speed that up, here's what he claimed to me:
- His name is The Last Princess, he's an Alien with Survivor wincon
- Someone is out there hunting for him, but he doesn't know who
- actions targeting him fail, unless 2 actions target him in the same night, in which case he dies.
- he has a kill, day or night, that only works on the player who's hunting him, and is publicly announced when used, no matter whether it's successful
- he can cancel a Day or Night phase, I assume only once
- he didn't see my QT until I pointed it out because he doesn't check his QT
- nothing else happened to him over the course of the game
So I would assume that Galz/cayvie was the hunter? Probably? @shraeye why didn't you use your shot on Galz?
Shraeye - how do you know faust is a green text dude?
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I was planning to get him lynched. Still am.How were you planning to make him die?@faust,No. No.
1)Did you target shraeye last night?@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.2)Am I correct in understanding from the above quote that you already knew last night that shraeye is lying?@faust, did you blackmail Shraeye?Yes.
I had to have this pointed out to me as well:I did force him to claim this, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. He got mod confirmation that I am town in our QT.Shraeye - how do you know faust is a green text dude?I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I had to have this pointed out to me as well:I did force him to claim this, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. He got mod confirmation that I am town in our QT.Shraeye - how do you know faust is a green text dude?I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
He saw my name written in green, bold letters by ashersky. I doubt he is willing to corroborate that at this point.I had to have this pointed out to me as well:I did force him to claim this, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. He got mod confirmation that I am town in our QT.Shraeye - how do you know faust is a green text dude?I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
hold on - like mod mod confirmation. Verbiage being what? Just that you are town? you are IC? I know you can't quote it and I guess the question is more for shraeye, but that little tid bit of info def changes a lot of povs I imagine.
Seriously, how do people who believe that was made up think the conversation went?Honestly I don't see how it makes much more sense according to your version of events. Why would shraeye go along with you and not try to get you lynched? What am I missing?
"Yo shraeye, you say that I am town or I get you lynched!"
"Um... fine."
And then I proceed to push his lynch anyway, making the threat pointless and giving him every opportunity to walk back his statement?
No, that makes no sense. First of all shraeye in that situation would just try to get me lynched instead, and second it makes no sense as a plan from me.
He saw my name written in green, bold letters by ashersky. I doubt he is willing to corroborate that at this point.I had to have this pointed out to me as well:I did force him to claim this, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true. He got mod confirmation that I am town in our QT.Shraeye - how do you know faust is a green text dude?I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
hold on - like mod mod confirmation. Verbiage being what? Just that you are town? you are IC? I know you can't quote it and I guess the question is more for shraeye, but that little tid bit of info def changes a lot of povs I imagine.
Maybe it went down a little bit differently. More like "you know for sure I'm town now and if you don't confirm it in thread I will assume you are scum and vig/lynch you."Seriously, how do people who believe that was made up think the conversation went?Honestly I don't see how it makes much more sense according to your version of events. Why would shraeye go along with you and not try to get you lynched? What am I missing?
"Yo shraeye, you say that I am town or I get you lynched!"
"Um... fine."
And then I proceed to push his lynch anyway, making the threat pointless and giving him every opportunity to walk back his statement?
No, that makes no sense. First of all shraeye in that situation would just try to get me lynched instead, and second it makes no sense as a plan from me.
Why would shraeye knowing faust is town make him more likely to be coerced into saying so?Maybe it went down a little bit differently. More like "you know for sure I'm town now and if you don't confirm it in thread I will assume you are scum and vig/lynch you."Seriously, how do people who believe that was made up think the conversation went?Honestly I don't see how it makes much more sense according to your version of events. Why would shraeye go along with you and not try to get you lynched? What am I missing?
"Yo shraeye, you say that I am town or I get you lynched!"
"Um... fine."
And then I proceed to push his lynch anyway, making the threat pointless and giving him every opportunity to walk back his statement?
No, that makes no sense. First of all shraeye in that situation would just try to get me lynched instead, and second it makes no sense as a plan from me.
But then why isn't faust saying that?
eddie - you still on that EFHW kick?
Vote: EFHW
Vote: EFHW
"Yo shraeye, you say that I am town or I get you lynched!"I can see that faust is trying out sarcasm to make the point that this isn't how the conversation went....but it's literally how the conversation went.
"Um... fine."
And then I proceed to push his lynch anyway, making the threat pointless and giving him every opportunity to walk back his statement?
Maybe it went down a little bit differently. More like "you know for sure I'm town now and if you don't confirm it in thread I will assume you are scum and vig/lynch you."
But then why isn't faust saying that?
Vote: EFHW
Your preference is to ignore the Faust/Shraeye conflict?
Not actually sure except people are probably more ready to tell the truth than to lie.Seriously, how do people who believe that was made up think the conversation went?Honestly I don't see how it makes much more sense according to your version of events. Why would shraeye go along with you and not try to get you lynched? What am I missing?
"Yo shraeye, you say that I am town or I get you lynched!"
"Um... fine."
And then I proceed to push his lynch anyway, making the threat pointless and giving him every opportunity to walk back his statement?
No, that makes no sense. First of all shraeye in that situation would just try to get me lynched instead, and second it makes no sense as a plan from me.
It's hard to comment on faust's reasons for thinking shraeye is scum, because those reasons have not been made public. They might be good reasons.Can do. I mean I already shared the part where he seemed to have checked for QTs and still didn't seem to have found mine. The second part is this:
I'd be more comfortable if he shared them.
Faust found out Galz was Survivor - pushed for galz x a million bc "he thought Galz was skum or survivor".I don't see any reason to assume that there is a Survivor in this game. But each time I have not voted for them because they claimed Survivor, but rather because their claims were inconsistent.
Now Shraeye is claimed Survivor - pushing for Shraeye x a million bc "he thinks Galz is skum".
That strikes me as weird for faust - not the outcome of galz just the concept. Like there is gonna be a survivor faction in this game most likely yeah? So if Galz/Cavie were NOT survivor faction, would that not make it like inherently more likely that Shraeye could be? Its all a big mind fuck - I can hear the WIFOM screaming back as I typed that last part out, but just try to take the general point.
Plainly put - I believe that faust is town at this point and that Shraeye is Survivor as claimed. So, I would prefer to lynch elsewhere.
Obviously I cannot do quotes, but I don't see how this is different from what I said happened.Maybe it went down a little bit differently. More like "you know for sure I'm town now and if you don't confirm it in thread I will assume you are scum and vig/lynch you."Seriously, how do people who believe that was made up think the conversation went?Honestly I don't see how it makes much more sense according to your version of events. Why would shraeye go along with you and not try to get you lynched? What am I missing?
"Yo shraeye, you say that I am town or I get you lynched!"
"Um... fine."
And then I proceed to push his lynch anyway, making the threat pointless and giving him every opportunity to walk back his statement?
No, that makes no sense. First of all shraeye in that situation would just try to get me lynched instead, and second it makes no sense as a plan from me.
But then why isn't faust saying that?
Vote: EFHW
Your preference is to ignore the Faust/Shraeye conflict?
I mean not to be whatever. But is your's not?
Or Eddie. Has he done anything this game except push for EFHW without a case?
Waitaminute! What happens if an action is redirected/deflected onto shraeye? @faust, is that what you're saying happened with your action? I feel like according to his claim, it shouldn't affect him?I don't know what happened, only that I targeted Didds and that action ended up affecting shraeye. Of course, he could be lying about everything, and the whole "actions don't affect me" thing is just a way to get town PRs off his back.
Or Eddie. Has he done anything this game except push for EFHW without a case?
I have a case: She is likely scum.
Known it since day 1, and will continue to know it in the future.
Just waiting for you guys to catch up.
Well that is a laughably bad take.
Haha.
See, I’m laughing.
Here’s the deal, I joke more as town than as Scum.
It’s a tell I am not proud of, and am working on (working on it this game, perhaps? Haha) but it is a tell nonetheless.
Although that means less coming from me.
Here's a thing to ponder: If shraeye is telling the truth, then he can, instead of skipping the next Night, skip the next Day and proceed to win with a 3-player red scumteam.
So I'm rereading eddie right now. Here's what I got.
Votes for me early day 1, but then jumps immediately off of me onto EFHW. From there, I don't think he's voted for anyone else this game (I haven't finished rereading to confirm that yet tho).
He got the message from Cayvie I think, he talks about that a little bit on D2
Oh, I was wrong, he does hop on Didds for a bit. Right after that Galz claims, and there's some interactions with that.QuoteWell that is a laughably bad take.
Haha.
See, I’m laughing.
Here’s the deal, I joke more as town than as Scum.
It’s a tell I am not proud of, and am working on (working on it this game, perhaps? Haha) but it is a tell nonetheless.
Although that means less coming from me.
This is post #978. This rubs me the wrong way, especiallly the parenthetical. On the reread, he hasn't been joking very much, so by his own tell it's scummy. And the parenthetical seems like a forced joke from nervousness of being scumread. So those are some big scumpoints for me right there.
Hm... Eddie is pushing EFHW while simultaneously keeping his vote on Didds. He's been kind-of-pushing-EFHW-but-not-really the whole first 2 days. If either one flips scum, the other would be my prime partner suspect.
And thus concludes my reread of Eddie. Leaning slightly scum, but not the strongest feeling or case by any means. ehhh
So I'm rereading eddie right now. Here's what I got.
Votes for me early day 1, but then jumps immediately off of me onto EFHW. From there, I don't think he's voted for anyone else this game (I haven't finished rereading to confirm that yet tho).
He got the message from Cayvie I think, he talks about that a little bit on D2
Oh, I was wrong, he does hop on Didds for a bit. Right after that Galz claims, and there's some interactions with that.QuoteWell that is a laughably bad take.
Haha.
See, I’m laughing.
Here’s the deal, I joke more as town than as Scum.
It’s a tell I am not proud of, and am working on (working on it this game, perhaps? Haha) but it is a tell nonetheless.
Although that means less coming from me.
This is post #978. This rubs me the wrong way, especiallly the parenthetical. On the reread, he hasn't been joking very much, so by his own tell it's scummy. And the parenthetical seems like a forced joke from nervousness of being scumread. So those are some big scumpoints for me right there.
Hm... Eddie is pushing EFHW while simultaneously keeping his vote on Didds. He's been kind-of-pushing-EFHW-but-not-really the whole first 2 days. If either one flips scum, the other would be my prime partner suspect.
And thus concludes my reread of Eddie. Leaning slightly scum, but not the strongest feeling or case by any means. ehhh
Did I really vote for you day 1?
Are you bad?
Most of my day 1 reads are accurate in general, that’s my strongest time in the game. That’s my primary reason for continually pushing EFHW. It was my strongest scum read. (I had many strong town reads, like MiX and Pubby, for examples of dead town reads. I will keep the living day 1 town reads to myself.)
It slipped my mind this time around that I had voted for you. That is definitely helpful information.
Back to you, though, do you have any strong reads? Most of your reads are coupled with a disclaimer at the end which waters them down a touch more than the post would suggest.
If I am your strongest scum read, and you don’t like it, then who is scum?
Yeah, well... maybe it's a lie.Here's a thing to ponder: If shraeye is telling the truth, then he can, instead of skipping the next Night, skip the next Day and proceed to win with a 3-player red scumteam.
fair. which would probably be anther huge argument in A) skum not having that power, B) they probably survivor, and C) why would they tell us if they were skum and could do that?
Yeah, well... maybe it's a lie.Here's a thing to ponder: If shraeye is telling the truth, then he can, instead of skipping the next Night, skip the next Day and proceed to win with a 3-player red scumteam.
fair. which would probably be anther huge argument in A) skum not having that power, B) they probably survivor, and C) why would they tell us if they were skum and could do that?
those are seperate statements.
For example -
you have questions that should be answered by faust and Shraeye. I agree with you.
I also think that we are wasting time looking into a duo that is likely to not contain a source of skum.
If you think what I think, then help. If you don't think what I think - don't allow time to be wasted, make a case.
You stating other people are skummy for attempting to move conversation is a little out there. We can all walk and chew gum at the same time I think.
Scum team is shraeye/EFHW/mail-mi by the way. You're welcome.
Uh I don't really know. These reads are partially informed by EFHW/mail-mi's attitude towards shraeye though, in that sense they're more likely to be partners. I don't think there would necessarily be a Survivor in this, and we have no evidence of extra Nightkill other than the ones that cayvie claimed, so I wouldn't assume an SK here.Scum team is shraeye/EFHW/mail-mi by the way. You're welcome.
To what extent do you feel it's possible for each of these three players to be Survivor/SK/Other!Baddie, rather than working in concert as a faction?
Here's a new twist, contradicting everything I've said so far (of course). What if faust is Shraeye's enemy? He suspects me for being on Shraeye's wagon even though he is there, too. Don't know how mail-mi fits in there; he isn't voting Shraeye.If I was his enemy, then why would he say that I'm town, and why hasn't he shot me already?
So, it would be great if Shraeye could answer my questions and make himself more believable.Maybe, but I get a feeling that shraeye will be busy with other things these next couple of days.
It was a theory, not a pronouncement. Maybe you get to have a qt with your target. That would very ash.
I'm entertaining several scenarios. They aren't necessarily consistent.It was a theory, not a pronouncement. Maybe you get to have a qt with your target. That would very ash.
wait I don't get this with your previous statement about Shraeye being the baddie. Didn't faust claim to be the one doing the targeting of the QT opened up?
I'm entertaining several scenarios. They aren't necessarily consistent.It was a theory, not a pronouncement. Maybe you get to have a qt with your target. That would very ash.
wait I don't get this with your previous statement about Shraeye being the baddie. Didn't faust claim to be the one doing the targeting of the QT opened up?
[quote from Eddie]Back to you, though, do you have any strong reads? Most of your reads are coupled with a disclaimer at the end which waters them down a touch more than the post would suggest
I'm entertaining several scenarios. They aren't necessarily consistent.It was a theory, not a pronouncement. Maybe you get to have a qt with your target. That would very ash.
wait I don't get this with your previous statement about Shraeye being the baddie. Didn't faust claim to be the one doing the targeting of the QT opened up?
fair enough. just like, when you say "get a QT with your target" what do you mean? cuz they are both alive and we had two deaths. So like if the target is a kill target, that is kind of unlikely.
[quote from Eddie]Back to you, though, do you have any strong reads? Most of your reads are coupled with a disclaimer at the end which waters them down a touch more than the post would suggest
I really agree with this. mail-mi has been hedging all game. And the Eddie/me partner theory has no substance to it.
I think Eddie is probably town, unfortunately.
I am not sure what the rules are here on what I am allowed to say in the game... but we should uhm... allow shraeye a small amount of time to check in if it is answers to questions that you want.
I was under the impression that I went through all most recent posts and answered everything in my big ol post earlier. Please quote/repeat your question and ill get to it.
So, it would be great if Shraeye could answer my questions and make himself more believable.
@Shraeye, how has your situation influenced your voting?Please clarify, thanks
vote: shraeyeWhat stuff are you waiting for?
I thought shraeye would say stuff and I would read them. No real reason to wait around.
Yeah, sorry. I just thought you would be pretty busy for the next little while, and I assumed it would be longer than 6 days. Congratulations, by the way!I was under the impression that I went through all most recent posts and answered everything in my big ol post earlier. Please quote/repeat your question and ill get to it.
So, it would be great if Shraeye could answer my questions and make himself more believable.
Settle your pants down, skip. You were honestly worried o wouldn't make it back before a deadline that is 6 days from now??
But also, we just had second kid today, so give me amoment, yeah?
It's hard to comment on faust's reasons for thinking shraeye is scum, because those reasons have not been made public. They might be good reasons.Can do. I mean I already shared the part where he seemed to have checked for QTs and still didn't seem to have found mine. The second part is this:
I'd be more comfortable if he shared them.
The power that I used to get shraeye into the Neighborhood is one I used N1. (I did not actually target shraeye) Part of that power, in addition to being invited to the Neighborhood N2, was that all actions shraeye took N1 were block, and that he would be informed that he was unable to use night actions. However, he claimed that nothing like that happened to him over the course of the game.
I'm too addicted to talking to yall to wait that long :)
Also, I'd like to know what would happen if an action ends up hitting you but you were not the intended target, say through redirection or deflection.And may as well throw in the converse (or is it inverse?) of this:
Oh I doubt ash will answer that. The question was posed to shraeye (if he's telling the truth about his role, ash might answer him in his qt.
I am not sure what the rules are here on what I am allowed to say in the game... but we should uhm... allow shraeye a small amount of time to check in if it is answers to questions that you want.
rules??
Maybe the context of my question was unclear. I don't mean to ask a general question about redirection. I mean to ask shraeye specifically how redirection would interact with his claimed role.
I am not sure what the rules are here on what I am allowed to say in the game... but we should uhm... allow shraeye a small amount of time to check in if it is answers to questions that you want.
rules??
IRL into game stuff.
Here's what we have.
Either shraeye is my partner, then he is scum and you should lynch him.
Or shraeye is not my partner, then I am town and you should trust me when I say that we should lynch shraeye.
If shraeye and I were on opposing non-town factions, then he'd hav eno reason to say that I'm town.Here's what we have.
Either shraeye is my partner, then he is scum and you should lynch him.
Or shraeye is not my partner, then I am town and you should trust me when I say that we should lynch shraeye.
Or you're both from different non-town factions, in which case it's possible Shraeye is not the optimal lynch for town. I think there's a low chance that's true, but you don't help your case when you oversimplify things too much, because it just feels like you've got something you're trying to obfuscate.
For my part, I found it weird that you reported Shraeye's inability to be targeted to the thread without immediately pointing out that you'd successfully targeted him N1 (even though you'd aimed at WCD), and that's the only reason you had a QT with him.
I'd like to know what would happen if an action ends up hitting you but you were not the intended target, say through redirection or deflection.
I'd like to know what would happen if an action ends up hitting you but you were not the intended target, say through redirection or deflection.
If an action hit me, the mod, the game would be BM. Also, it would fail, because I am all-powerful.
I'd like to know what would happen if an action ends up hitting you but you were not the intended target, say through redirection or deflection.
If an action hit me, the mod, the game would be BM. Also, it would fail, because I am all-powerful.
Dayvig: Ashersky
TAKE THAT!
YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD3TwFgPgZE
faust - you say that you targeted WCD with your ability right? but got Shraeye instaed. Why WCD?I thought that when I put her on the spot to make a claim, it would be easy to see whether it was genuine; she's not that experienced with fakeclaims. Also she is among the people I'd most enjoy having a QT with.
faust - you say that you targeted WCD with your ability right? but got Shraeye instaed. Why WCD?I thought that when I put her on the spot to make a claim, it would be easy to see whether it was genuine; she's not that experienced with fakeclaims. Also she is among the people I'd most enjoy having a QT with.
No.faust - you say that you targeted WCD with your ability right? but got Shraeye instaed. Why WCD?I thought that when I put her on the spot to make a claim, it would be easy to see whether it was genuine; she's not that experienced with fakeclaims. Also she is among the people I'd most enjoy having a QT with.
well I def can't argue with the last part. she is fun.
The only thing you attempted to do was open a QT with her?
Random theorizing idea: what is one of the RED faction had a 1-shot super redirect thingy that bounces any targets to RED for a round, which might explain why Faust bounced off WCD and Cayvie bounced off Mail-Mi?
What was the list of weird targets from that day anyway?
There has to be a combination of what happened and the lies that makes sense here.
It is possible Cayvie targeted me with the message and lied about it being sent to Mail-Mi, though.
My thought was that 2 actions targeting him is a really low threshold for dying.
Also the enemy thing seems odd. Maybe it's the effect of paraphrasing, but it's vague and it doesn't seem like there is much point in him knowing about it except for the selective vig. How could he possibly know who to shoot?
@Shraeye, how has your situation influenced your voting?
No.faust - you say that you targeted WCD with your ability right? but got Shraeye instaed. Why WCD?I thought that when I put her on the spot to make a claim, it would be easy to see whether it was genuine; she's not that experienced with fakeclaims. Also she is among the people I'd most enjoy having a QT with.
well I def can't argue with the last part. she is fun.
The only thing you attempted to do was open a QT with her?
Random theorizing idea: what is one of the RED faction had a 1-shot super redirect thingy that bounces any targets to RED for a round, which might explain why Faust bounced off WCD and Cayvie bounced off Mail-Mi?
What was the list of weird targets from that day anyway?
There has to be a combination of what happened and the lies that makes sense here.
It is possible Cayvie targeted me with the message and lied about it being sent to Mail-Mi, though.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
Don't forget we also have Faust claiming to have targeted WCD but getting shraeye instead.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
Don't forget we also have Faust claiming to have targeted WCD but getting shraeye instead.
two seperate nights, but yes def an important addition.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
What if cayvie made up that plan to go after EFHW because she's an alien? At least I think it's pretty unlikely that EFHW is yellow scum from this.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
Don't forget we also have Faust claiming to have targeted WCD but getting shraeye instead.
two seperate nights, but yes def an important addition.
I thought he said he got shraeye N1? I suppose if this was N2 then it makes it more likely scum just has a plain redirector.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
Don't forget we also have Faust claiming to have targeted WCD but getting shraeye instead.
two seperate nights, but yes def an important addition.
I thought he said he got shraeye N1? I suppose if this was N2 then it makes it more likely scum just has a plain redirector.
oh you totally right! it was delayed I forgot
So def add that into the list!
Yeah no, my targeting happened N1.What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
Don't forget we also have Faust claiming to have targeted WCD but getting shraeye instead.
two seperate nights, but yes def an important addition.
I thought he said he got shraeye N1? I suppose if this was N2 then it makes it more likely scum just has a plain redirector.
What is interesting is that this did not get brought up until right now when Eddie brought it up. There are a lot of things in here (assumptions) that made sense at the time that may not make sense now.
Like for example - the number one inconsistency thing that happened was Cayvie making all the claims that had different randomized results. That was crazy at the time. Now we know that Cayvie was at least third party faction, if not skum, the fact that she could of been lying could potentially explain a lot of it away right there.
Don't forget we also have Faust claiming to have targeted WCD but getting shraeye instead.
two seperate nights, but yes def an important addition.
I thought he said he got shraeye N1? I suppose if this was N2 then it makes it more likely scum just has a plain redirector.
oh you totally right! it was delayed I forgot
So def add that into the list!
wait hold on I am getting something wrong here one sec
Is there a point to any of this?
4. Skip didn't target mail-mi, But mail-mi ended up getting Skip's message. Skip tried to message cayvie.
I'm getting stuff handled, expect some more me tomorrow.????
Nobody is at all interested in skipping the night phase?? At least it seems EFHW and skip are definitely excited to do a night phase.
That would be a good way to confirm your role.
I'm getting stuff handled, expect some more me tomorrow.????
Nobody is at all interested in skipping the night phase?? At least it seems EFHW and skip are definitely excited to do a night phase.
I'm definitely interested in that. I just think you're probably lying about it.
I'm getting stuff handled, expect some more me tomorrow.????
Nobody is at all interested in skipping the night phase?? At least it seems EFHW and skip are definitely excited to do a night phase.
I'm definitely interested in that. I just think you're probably lying about it.
Well that’s unlikely. He almost certainly has the power. Whether or not he is a NK scum group is the question.
I see little reason to kill Shraeye today. *shrugs*
I'm getting stuff handled, expect some more me tomorrow.????
Nobody is at all interested in skipping the night phase?? At least it seems EFHW and skip are definitely excited to do a night phase.
I'm definitely interested in that. I just think you're probably lying about it.
Well that’s unlikely. He almost certainly has the power. Whether or not he is a NK scum group is the question.
I see little reason to kill Shraeye today. *shrugs*
you find anything you were looking for in those day 2 claims?
I mean, I've already offered to do it. So, it would be pretty easy to see if I'm lying.
I won't do it if I'm lynched, duh.
I'm getting stuff handled, expect some more me tomorrow.????
Nobody is at all interested in skipping the night phase?? At least it seems EFHW and skip are definitely excited to do a night phase.
I'm definitely interested in that. I just think you're probably lying about it.
Well that’s unlikely. He almost certainly has the power. Whether or not he is a NK scum group is the question.
I see little reason to kill Shraeye today. *shrugs*
I mean, I've already offered to do it. So, it would be pretty easy to see if I'm lying.
I won't do it if I'm lynched, duh.
That would be a good way to confirm your role.
how does that confirm their role? it confirms that they can do that thing. that is it.
I will give you it does seems to fit nicely into a survivor like role, so there is that... but just saying.
Mainly thisI also would love to know this, or help clarify it. I've asked ash sooo many questions that have gotten "no comment", or "read your PM" as a response. I feel like ash thinks I'm supposed to be able to guess some things that I just can't.It's hard to comment on faust's reasons for thinking shraeye is scum, because those reasons have not been made public. They might be good reasons.Can do. I mean I already shared the part where he seemed to have checked for QTs and still didn't seem to have found mine. The second part is this:
I'd be more comfortable if he shared them.
The power that I used to get shraeye into the Neighborhood is one I used N1. (I did not actually target shraeye) Part of that power, in addition to being invited to the Neighborhood N2, was that all actions shraeye took N1 were block, and that he would be informed that he was unable to use night actions. However, he claimed that nothing like that happened to him over the course of the game.
Also, I'd like to know what would happen if an action ends up hitting you but you were not the intended target, say through redirection or deflection.
This is another:You and me are on the same page. I feel like my PM is a riddle that ash really wanted me to solve, but I haven't. I've hypothesized that a mirror role of mine could exist / couldn't exist / probably also has a kill / couldn't have a kill or I'm just too shitty of a role / or that I'm misreading things entirely one way or another.Also the enemy thing seems odd. Maybe it's the effect of paraphrasing, but it's vague and it doesn't seem like there is much point in him knowing about it except for the selective vig. How could he possibly know who to shoot?
My thought was that 2 actions targeting him is a really low threshold for dying.These are exactly my thoughts as well. I don't see how you and me thinking this is a big drawback makes me a good lynch target?
Shraeye could be the enemy looking for his target, also unknown to him. His having a killing power doesn't make him different from his enemy. More likely that they are both nefarious than that he is defending himself.I see what you're saying, but I feel like the rest of my stuff is more consistent with me being a hunted person who's main ability is hiding a bunch and trying to survive. I think my kill power is meant to be a shiny button that's there to tempt me to do the wrong thing.
But then are they threats to town? Maybe not.
Shraeye - I am being dumb and cannot find it. What is your actual win con?I asked and can't quote my wincon directly; basically "you win if you are alive at the end of the game". there seems to be the ability to change this. More questions to ash, still no answers. My best guess is it's related to my LastResort action.
This was actually a question.Day 1 I was just messing around. Day 2 I was trying to land on scum, because I wanted to challenge myself to find scum. Given the choice, I'd prefer a town-win than a scum-win. I still think the best thing for me is to play pro-town right now, and keep finding scum. So I'm looking.@Shraeye, how has your situation influenced your voting?
What I mean is have you been looking for scum? Why? What priorities motivate your votes?
A) I explained exactly why I kept saying nothing happened to me at nightIt's hard to comment on faust's reasons for thinking shraeye is scum, because those reasons have not been made public. They might be good reasons.Can do. I mean I already shared the part where he seemed to have checked for QTs and still didn't seem to have found mine. The second part is this:
I'd be more comfortable if he shared them.
The power that I used to get shraeye into the Neighborhood is one I used N1. (I did not actually target shraeye) Part of that power, in addition to being invited to the Neighborhood N2, was that all actions shraeye took N1 were block, and that he would be informed that he was unable to use night actions. However, he claimed that nothing like that happened to him over the course of the game.
I know, this post was faust basically saying "if shraeye is telling the truth, then he's probably survivor. but he's not telling the truth so let's lynch him". I mean, if I'm saying I'm a survivor, and my roles sounds like a survivor....I'm probably survivor.Here's a thing to ponder: If shraeye is telling the truth, then he can, instead of skipping the next Night, skip the next Day and proceed to win with a 3-player red scumteam.
fair. which would probably be anther huge argument in A) skum not having that power, B) they probably survivor, and C) why would they tell us if they were skum and could do that?
Here's what we have.Your "trust me" is that shraeye said he did not receive a thing that faust "knows" shraeye received. Can you stop playing "what happened isn't what I thought would happen, so I know somebody is lying" for just a little while?? A) it's exhausting and B) everybody loses that game except scum.
Either shraeye is my partner, then he is scum and you should lynch him.
Or shraeye is not my partner, then I am town and you should trust me when I say that we should lynch shraeye.
I also don't know what happened. I asked ash a bunch of questions and have basically received "no comment" as my answer for every single one. So I'm at a loss to explain exactly what happened. Of course, faustA, if you want to know what happened you can just ask faustB because despite what fasutA feels here, fasutB is basically implying that he knows (and knew immediately, since that was his "result" on me) exactly how his night action would resolve on me despite a redirect through WCD.Waitaminute! What happens if an action is redirected/deflected onto shraeye? @faust, is that what you're saying happened with your action? I feel like according to his claim, it shouldn't affect him?I don't know what happened, only that I targeted Didds and that action ended up affecting shraeye. Of course, he could be lying about everything, and the whole "actions don't affect me" thing is just a way to get town PRs off his back.
I think I can do it anytime I want. I submit the order in my personal QT. Nobody will know what's happening until it happens, and my PM suggests no clues (other than what I'm saying right now obviously) will be left about why the skip happened.I mean, I've already offered to do it. So, it would be pretty easy to see if I'm lying.
I won't do it if I'm lynched, duh.
If it happens after the lynch, that could be a reason not to lynch you. I wasn't suggesting you would do it if you were lynched. So when does it take place?
what can his enemy do?I do not know. It turns out I was not given a full description of another player in my PM. I know that sounds absolutely fucking bonkers. But I guess that's how "hidden role" games work.
vote: shraeyeQuestions have been asked, shraeye had been V/NA'd, deadline was 6 days away. Sneaky L-1 with no announcement. This sounds like somebody trying to seal the nail in my coffin BEFORE I get back and can explain myself.
I thought shraeye would say stuff and I would read them. No real reason to wait around.
I know you want to move on, but it's a contradiction that the qt request worked and the block didn't.
I know you want to move on, but it's a contradiction that the qt request worked and the block didn't.
I know you want to move on, but it's a contradiction that the qt request worked and the block didn't.
Wait wtf block?
It was interesting that they kept harping on the fact that Galzria did not claim survivor. What I am confused about is why, if they were so convinced that Galzria was not a survivor, that they weren't voting Galzria?Missed this earlier. I wasn't chirping at Galz. Others (EFHW comes to mind) kept saying "because Galz is survivor he should/would..." and saying something that applies to the SurvivorTM role. Except those incentives/play didn't apply in Galz's case. That's what I kept interjecting about. I didn't think he was scum, and I didn't think he was a threat to me. So, no vote.
Ok. Lots of content. Going to ponder it.Might have to wait until other game hits night. Sorry. (Also sorry if I'm not allowed to say this. I'm not exactly clear on the details of that rule. )
A good way to confirm the role right instead of having us wait another night would be to use that claimed dayvig shot. Which, in a twist that surprises noone, shraeye is refusing to do.That would be a good way to confirm your role.
how does that confirm their role? it confirms that they can do that thing. that is it.
I will give you it does seems to fit nicely into a survivor like role, so there is that... but just saying.
A good way to confirm the role right instead of having us wait another night would be to use that claimed dayvig shot. Which, in a twist that surprises noone, shraeye is refusing to do.That would be a good way to confirm your role.
how does that confirm their role? it confirms that they can do that thing. that is it.
I will give you it does seems to fit nicely into a survivor like role, so there is that... but just saying.
Yes it will, because he said that whether or not he hits his target, we will be informed that he tried to.A good way to confirm the role right instead of having us wait another night would be to use that claimed dayvig shot. Which, in a twist that surprises noone, shraeye is refusing to do.That would be a good way to confirm your role.
how does that confirm their role? it confirms that they can do that thing. that is it.
I will give you it does seems to fit nicely into a survivor like role, so there is that... but just saying.
You want him to use the dayvig?! Who do you think he will choose to target? He won't be looking for scum. Anyway, he says the dayvig only works on his enemy, so unless he aims correctly, the dayvig won't confirm anything.
Oh! Forgot that detail, thanks.Yes it will, because he said that whether or not he hits his target, we will be informed that he tried to.A good way to confirm the role right instead of having us wait another night would be to use that claimed dayvig shot. Which, in a twist that surprises noone, shraeye is refusing to do.That would be a good way to confirm your role.
how does that confirm their role? it confirms that they can do that thing. that is it.
I will give you it does seems to fit nicely into a survivor like role, so there is that... but just saying.
You want him to use the dayvig?! Who do you think he will choose to target? He won't be looking for scum. Anyway, he says the dayvig only works on his enemy, so unless he aims correctly, the dayvig won't confirm anything.
I'm not using my Last resort.Then be ready for me to cut your life into pieces.
I appreciate that reference.I'm not using my Last resort.Then be ready for me to cut your life into pieces.
I'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
He's setting up an excuse for when the night phase doesn't get skipped.I'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
why would no one have to be voting you? Is that part of the role? do you mean just if not enough people are voting you to lynch you - or like literally... zero people?
It's my own personal bar, currently set out of frustration at faustI'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
why would no one have to be voting you? Is that part of the role? do you mean just if not enough people are voting you to lynch you - or like literally... zero people?
It's my own personal bar, currently set out of frustration at faustI'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
why would no one have to be voting you? Is that part of the role? do you mean just if not enough people are voting you to lynch you - or like literally... zero people?
He's setting up an excuse for when the night phase doesn't get skipped.I'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
why would no one have to be voting you? Is that part of the role? do you mean just if not enough people are voting you to lynch you - or like literally... zero people?
So, why EFHW? I'm down with that, because it's not me. But I think you're gonna get more mileage out of skip. Possibly e, but skip is my first choice for scum
Well there has been a lot of information about shraeye's role and I've been having difficulty sorting it all out. Contributing to the difficulty is the problem of how much to believe him and that even if I do choose to believe him, I'm still only getting a secondhand version of his role because he can only paraphrase. So I'm fairly jumbled.
@shraeye, why, exactly don't you want to shoot somebody? Just take a potshot and hope you hit your hunter. Would you shoot somebody if we threatened to lynch you otherwise?
No, I think it's all made up.He's setting up an excuse for when the night phase doesn't get skipped.I'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
why would no one have to be voting you? Is that part of the role? do you mean just if not enough people are voting you to lynch you - or like literally... zero people?
you think he is fabricating that ability? if there was one part of the role I 100% believed he had, it was that portion. are you not the same way?
also at skip and MailMi - If you are both so damn sure that each of you are town, then why would you not follow one and other on a same wagon in this spot?I just want to clearly state this: I have no information suggesting mail-mi is town. I never said I did.
also at skip and MailMi - If you are both so damn sure that each of you are town, then why would you not follow one and other on a same wagon in this spot?I just want to clearly state this: I have no information suggesting mail-mi is town. I never said I did.
Whether I do it or not is my option. Im getting frustrated at Faust. Because of that I don't feel like doing it unless y'all can convince him to dismount this horse.It's my own personal bar, currently set out of frustration at faustI'm not using my Last resort. I already said that. I'm 100% sure that's why Faust is asking me to do it.
Faust is way more interested in lynching me to justify his own play than he is in listening or understanding.
We'll skip night if nobody is voting for me at the end of day. Can't convince Faust to back down? Then enjoy night kill(s).
why would no one have to be voting you? Is that part of the role? do you mean just if not enough people are voting you to lynch you - or like literally... zero people?
so I am gonna kind of require a more exact answer than that please.
shraeye - I don't think I got an answer before, and if that was intentional then... well not ok I guess I kind of want one... but what is your win con?It's in my second big post from yesterday. Phone quoting sucks. #1523 I think?
Yeah, no, skip is not scum. I still think we probably have only one yellow left, but look to Eddie/EFHW if there is a red team.Even though Eddie's been harping on EFHW all day?
shraeye - I don't think I got an answer before, and if that was intentional then... well not ok I guess I kind of want one... but what is your win con?It's in my second big post from yesterday. Phone quoting sucks. #1523 I think?
@shraeye, why, exactly don't you want to shoot somebody? Just take a potshot and hope you hit your hunter. Would you shoot somebody if we threatened to lynch you otherwise?Because he can't. This isn't rocket science. shraeye's claimed role offers 2 ways of confirming parts of it, yet faced with his outing and probable lynch he did not offer either; he agreed to skipping the Night only after I pointed it out to him, and is now walking it back. And even though there is no clear downside, and no upside to waiting, he is refusing to shoot.
Did you see my rereads of them? I think it's a bus.Yeah, no, skip is not scum. I still think we probably have only one yellow left, but look to Eddie/EFHW if there is a red team.Even though Eddie's been harping on EFHW all day?
Did you see my rereads of them? I think it's a bus.Yeah, no, skip is not scum. I still think we probably have only one yellow left, but look to Eddie/EFHW if there is a red team.Even though Eddie's been harping on EFHW all day?
Hey mail-mi, Eddie, how is that whole "close your eyes and pretend the lies aren't obvious" approach with regards to shraeye working out for you?
Request prod on Space
This is all going nowhere, and has been for like 5 days. Can we get another IC to step in?
Do you think shraeye is lying?Request prod on Space
This is all going nowhere, and has been for like 5 days. Can we get another IC to step in?
Wow, sorry for going prodable. I'm keeping up, and thought I'd made a post yesterday, but keep second-guessing myself about whether it's a good idea for me to express reads at this point.
I also get really scummy vibes from Mail-mi, particularly because his Shraeye read just doesn't feel genuine to me. In D2 he agreed that looking at the D1 wagons, he really ought to scumread Shraeye, but now he's just finding more reasons not to. Meanwhile Shraeye's big scumreads conveniently don't go near Mail-mi either. I'm kind of minded to want to lync mail-mi, and then if he flips scum, follow that up with Shraeye.
@shraeye, why, exactly don't you want to shoot somebody? Just take a potshot and hope you hit your hunter. Would you shoot somebody if we threatened to lynch you otherwise?Because he can't. This isn't rocket science. shraeye's claimed role offers 2 ways of confirming parts of it, yet faced with his outing and probable lynch he did not offer either; he agreed to skipping the Night only after I pointed it out to him, and is now walking it back. And even though there is no clear downside, and no upside to waiting, he is refusing to shoot.
The reason is obviously that he has neither of these abilities. He's a scum who's trying to weasel out at least another Night where he lives, and another lynch made with no certainty that his team exists.
He's also using the whole "ashersky is being super vague" excuse, the same one Galzria used to cover up inconsistencies in his fakeclaim.
Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
It's scummy. Sure, scum would prefer not to make vague claims, but the truth is that if they are forced to make up a fakeclaim on short notice then there will be some gaps, and the vagueness helps prevent people poking holes in that fakeclaim.@shraeye, why, exactly don't you want to shoot somebody? Just take a potshot and hope you hit your hunter. Would you shoot somebody if we threatened to lynch you otherwise?Because he can't. This isn't rocket science. shraeye's claimed role offers 2 ways of confirming parts of it, yet faced with his outing and probable lynch he did not offer either; he agreed to skipping the Night only after I pointed it out to him, and is now walking it back. And even though there is no clear downside, and no upside to waiting, he is refusing to shoot.
The reason is obviously that he has neither of these abilities. He's a scum who's trying to weasel out at least another Night where he lives, and another lynch made with no certainty that his team exists.
He's also using the whole "ashersky is being super vague" excuse, the same one Galzria used to cover up inconsistencies in his fakeclaim.
I had also noticed this from some previous posts. I can't decide if it is like skummy or not though. Example being that it did not work out well for Galz.
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
Here's my question and Mail-mi's response. I think in my memory, he appeared slightly more willing to consider Shraeye than he actually does here, so it's nice that he got me to go and look out the actual quote :-P
Note that faust also called him out for colouring Galz purple in this post, which was before the Galz flip, when Galz being mafia was one of the current hypotheses. Of course, if mail-mi is mafia-coloured, he'd have known for sure that Galz was not, and would therefore have coloured him accordingly using the traditional third-party purple.
Going back to the wagon, from mail-mi's point of view now, it has to be Shraeye, Swan or faust. Shraeye is still someone he's actively trying not to lynch. He hasn't given any indication that he doesn't believe that faust is town, and yet he's also not making any noise about Swan, who would be the PoE candidate here. Though Swan left the wagon at #409 anyway, leaving mail-mi and Shraeye as the only two alignment-unconfirmed people voting for the easy town mislynch.
Oh, and the last thing I found off about mail-mi was his insistence that we should be looking for a third Galz-Cayvie faction member today, rather than hunting for our hypothesized red-mafia group. I can see that mindset coming from a member of non-yellow scum more than from town, because as town we just don't know where the NKs are coming from, but if red-scum knows that there are still kills that they're not responsible for, it makes more sense to look (or pretend to look) for more yellow-faction people while looking for other third-party players who might be causing kills.
PPE: faust
Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
Here's my question and Mail-mi's response. I think in my memory, he appeared slightly more willing to consider Shraeye than he actually does here, so it's nice that he got me to go and look out the actual quote :-P
Note that faust also called him out for colouring Galz purple in this post, which was before the Galz flip, when Galz being mafia was one of the current hypotheses. Of course, if mail-mi is mafia-coloured, he'd have known for sure that Galz was not, and would therefore have coloured him accordingly using the traditional third-party purple.
Going back to the wagon, from mail-mi's point of view now, it has to be Shraeye, Swan or faust. Shraeye is still someone he's actively trying not to lynch. He hasn't given any indication that he doesn't believe that faust is town, and yet he's also not making any noise about Swan, who would be the PoE candidate here. Though Swan left the wagon at #409 anyway, leaving mail-mi and Shraeye as the only two alignment-unconfirmed people voting for the easy town mislynch.
Oh, and the last thing I found off about mail-mi was his insistence that we should be looking for a third Galz-Cayvie faction member today, rather than hunting for our hypothesized red-mafia group. I can see that mindset coming from a member of non-yellow scum more than from town, because as town we just don't know where the NKs are coming from, but if red-scum knows that there are still kills that they're not responsible for, it makes more sense to look (or pretend to look) for more yellow-faction people while looking for other third-party players who might be causing kills.
PPE: faust
1) very interesting on the purple color thing. the timing is weird. I mean its not damning by any means but it is a "strange color" to use.
2) Mail Mi put themselves as green (which I am actually one of those people that don't give a crap about that), but just saying - poe coming down to Swan is not accurate. a)because I left the wagon and b) because poe would be if I were included - Swan or MailMi.
If I gotta be on the list I will be on the list, but I want the whole list there :P
Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
Meh... I kind of find it unlikely that he has something like condemning in extra info right? Why not just state it? He is already conf!town (ish).. do we think it is best to push on that front rn?
@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.
I don't want to speak for Faust, but I think that in that post he's referring to shraeye claiming not to have received a message about being blocked, which Faust is maintaining must be a lie because the blocking happens to whomever it is that receives the qt invite.Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
Meh... I kind of find it unlikely that he has something like condemning in extra info right? Why not just state it? He is already conf!town (ish).. do we think it is best to push on that front rn?
I'm thinking specifically of this, and wondering whether I missed any update on it:@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.
Here is the post.It's hard to comment on faust's reasons for thinking shraeye is scum, because those reasons have not been made public. They might be good reasons.Can do. I mean I already shared the part where he seemed to have checked for QTs and still didn't seem to have found mine. The second part is this:
I'd be more comfortable if he shared them.
The power that I used to get shraeye into the Neighborhood is one I used N1. (I did not actually target shraeye) Part of that power, in addition to being invited to the Neighborhood N2, was that all actions shraeye took N1 were block, and that he would be informed that he was unable to use night actions. However, he claimed that nothing like that happened to him over the course of the game.
A similar question to @Mail-mi, about the MiX wagon from about #400. The wagon reached 7 at its peak (#320), but then faust moved off. LL and pubby were there, as was claimed-third-party Galz. Swan left the wagon at #409. What is your impression of the scum team's movements at that point, in terms of where they were voting if the MiX mislynch perhaps wasn't a big focus for them? Do you infer anything about Shraeye's or Swan's alignment?
Let me go take a look at those posts.
So the wagon at its peak was [mail-mi, shraeye, Galzria, DatSwan, faust, LaLight, pubby]. I find it hard to believe that there are no scum on this wagon, considering it was on town. I have a bit of a townier read on shraeye (no particular reason, just feelings and experiences with playing with shraeye in the past) so I'd say faust/DatSwan is more likely to be scum here. I'd have to do a reread of both to be certain, but I'd definitely be willing to switch to either of them (or shraeye if necessary) if it comes down to it.
Here's my question and Mail-mi's response. I think in my memory, he appeared slightly more willing to consider Shraeye than he actually does here, so it's nice that he got me to go and look out the actual quote :-P
Note that faust also called him out for colouring Galz purple in this post, which was before the Galz flip, when Galz being mafia was one of the current hypotheses. Of course, if mail-mi is mafia-coloured, he'd have known for sure that Galz was not, and would therefore have coloured him accordingly using the traditional third-party purple.
Going back to the wagon, from mail-mi's point of view now, it has to be Shraeye, Swan or faust. Shraeye is still someone he's actively trying not to lynch. He hasn't given any indication that he doesn't believe that faust is town, and yet he's also not making any noise about Swan, who would be the PoE candidate here. Though Swan left the wagon at #409 anyway, leaving mail-mi and Shraeye as the only two alignment-unconfirmed people voting for the easy town mislynch.
Oh, and the last thing I found off about mail-mi was his insistence that we should be looking for a third Galz-Cayvie faction member today, rather than hunting for our hypothesized red-mafia group. I can see that mindset coming from a member of non-yellow scum more than from town, because as town we just don't know where the NKs are coming from, but if red-scum knows that there are still kills that they're not responsible for, it makes more sense to look (or pretend to look) for more yellow-faction people while looking for other third-party players who might be causing kills.
PPE: faust
1) very interesting on the purple color thing. the timing is weird. I mean its not damning by any means but it is a "strange color" to use.
2) Mail Mi put themselves as green (which I am actually one of those people that don't give a crap about that), but just saying - poe coming down to Swan is not accurate. a)because I left the wagon and b) because poe would be if I were included - Swan or MailMi.
If I gotta be on the list I will be on the list, but I want the whole list there :P
For your point 2, I think you miss that I was specifically referring to mail-mi's point of view, so to him, if he's green, then you or Shraeye (or fuast) ought to be red, given that he'd stated a belief that there ought to be at least one scum on a wagon like that. So since mail-mi is quite strongly defending Shraeye, I feel that it ought to colour his perception of you more than I think it does.
I don't want to speak for Faust, but I think that in that post he's referring to shraeye claiming not to have received a message about being blocked, which Faust is maintaining must be a lie because the blocking happens to whomever it is that receives the qt invite.Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
Meh... I kind of find it unlikely that he has something like condemning in extra info right? Why not just state it? He is already conf!town (ish).. do we think it is best to push on that front rn?
I'm thinking specifically of this, and wondering whether I missed any update on it:@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.
Does anyone (other than probably Shraeye!) think I'm talking nonsense or missing something important?I agree with most of what you've said and you're posts definitely helped me get a clearer picture of things in my head.
Does anyone (other than probably Shraeye!) think I'm talking nonsense or missing something important?I agree with most of what you've said and your posts definitely helped me get a clearer picture of things in my head.
I'm with you that we should be lynching shraeye or mail-mi, but I think shraeye is the place to start, and depending on his flip, we'll take it from there.
On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.
It's not arbitrary, and the power is in your hands. Want me to not skip out? I've just presented a perfectly easy way for that to happen. Don't want it? Not my fault.Do you think shraeye is lying?Request prod on Space
This is all going nowhere, and has been for like 5 days. Can we get another IC to step in?
Wow, sorry for going prodable. I'm keeping up, and thought I'd made a post yesterday, but keep second-guessing myself about whether it's a good idea for me to express reads at this point.
1) He won't shoot
2) He cannot explain how he was hit with a qt from faust
3) He's making an arbitrary ultimatum to get out of skipping night
ps: I just realized that he probably is refusing to shoot because he actually did get blocked by faust, and already committed to the lie. @faust how long does your block last?
You're honestly saying you would have shot night one with my role?? Skip is scum, but hey why listen to me?Do you think shraeye is lying?Request prod on Space
This is all going nowhere, and has been for like 5 days. Can we get another IC to step in?
Wow, sorry for going prodable. I'm keeping up, and thought I'd made a post yesterday, but keep second-guessing myself about whether it's a good idea for me to express reads at this point.
1) He won't shoot
2) He cannot explain how he was hit with a qt from faust
3) He's making an arbitrary ultimatum to get out of skipping night
ps: I just realized that he probably is refusing to shoot because he actually did get blocked by faust, and already committed to the lie. @faust how long does your block last?
. I don't buy the "blackmail" thing about Shraeye feeling forced into saying faust was introduced by Ash in their shared QT with green text, because Shraeye clearly knows that faust isn't going to be fully persuasive in a conversation in the main thread if it's just one person's word against another.A) tough, blackmail is what happened
The vagueness really bothers me. Most mafia roles make sense, at least to the person playing them.You realize the number and detail of questions being asked, right? Like, somebody asked me what another players powers are.
I don't want to speak for Faust, but I think that in that post he's referring to shraeye claiming not to have received a message about being blocked, which Faust is maintaining must be a lie because the blocking happens to whomever it is that receives the qt invite.Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
Meh... I kind of find it unlikely that he has something like condemning in extra info right? Why not just state it? He is already conf!town (ish).. do we think it is best to push on that front rn?
I'm thinking specifically of this, and wondering whether I missed any update on it:@Space, all the stuff I told cayvie in the QT is correct, I did not try to mislead there. I did however leave some things out, and part of what I left out is how I know shraeye is lying.
Aha, thank you for finding and re-posting that response from faust. I was indeed missing that piece. I feel like a paranoid survivor-type role might also deny having had their power blocked, so it's not exactly a guilty cop result.
I don't think at this stage anyone is contradicting faust on the fact that Shraeye lied to the thread, are they? I mean, flat-out denying that anything QT-like had happened, and then changing that later to say that actually, yes there is a QT and faust is green already qualifies as having lied in my opinion.
The question is just whether anyone other than faust is so totally convinced that lying to the thread in that way is so much more indicative of red-scum than a survivor. I honestly think that Shraeye is scummy, and that faust is convinced, and is frustrated that the rest of us aren't biting. But it's also concerning to me that faust puts such a high confidence on something I don't feel is so damning, which is why I was asking for clarification about whether there's more to it.
No, I'm basing this on information that has been shared.Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
No. I'm not saying that.You're honestly saying you would have shot night one with my role?? Skip is scum, but hey why listen to me?Do you think shraeye is lying?Request prod on Space
This is all going nowhere, and has been for like 5 days. Can we get another IC to step in?
Wow, sorry for going prodable. I'm keeping up, and thought I'd made a post yesterday, but keep second-guessing myself about whether it's a good idea for me to express reads at this point.
1) He won't shoot
2) He cannot explain how he was hit with a qt from faust
3) He's making an arbitrary ultimatum to get out of skipping night
ps: I just realized that he probably is refusing to shoot because he actually did get blocked by faust, and already committed to the lie. @faust how long does your block last?
No, I'm basing this on information that has been shared.Shraeye is 100% not town, but there's a moderate chance that he's survivor-flavoured rather than mafia-flavoured.I think shraeye has a lower chance to flip Survivor than any given other player has to flip town.
You're basing this certainty on extra info you have that you're still not sharing with the thread, and that you didn't mention in last night's QT, though, right? Or did I actually miss something?
I think your inference is that the scum-faction scenario sounds less unlikely, and that a priori if we have a red-scum faction, the individual chance of Shraeye belonging to that faction is higher than the chance of him being a suvivor, therefore you believe overwhelmingly that he's most likely to be scum. Does this sum it up adequately?Not really. I believe he's scum because he's clearly lying about his claim. He definitely doesn't have the power to shoot and probably doesn't have the power to skip a Night.
I agree it's suspicious, and you've outed him as non-town because of it, but I don't think it's definitively mafia-flavoured rather than survivor-flavoured.No, I outed him as non-town because he claimed non-town to me and knowing who is and isn't town seemed like relevant information to the rest of town.
The heck?!
Mail-mi, you town?
Explain more now pleases thanks
On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.@space, you might have missed this
So do you know his alignment?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
So do you know his alignment?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
So you have a night kill? Have you been using it?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
So you have a night kill? Have you been using it?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.
So you have a night kill? Have you been using it?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
No. I don't want to claim everything about my role right now.
On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.hmm. Anyone else get educated last night?
The only thing that I know of that happened to me last night was getting sucked into the Galz-faction petition QT. And I did just go back to my QT to check I hadn't missed anything :-P
Can you say more about the petition qt? I feel like that got short shrift this game day.On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.
The only thing that I know of that happened to me last night was getting sucked into the Galz-faction petition QT. And I did just go back to my QT to check I hadn't missed anything :-P
hmm anyone else get educated last nightOn a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.
The only thing that I know of that happened to me last night was getting sucked into the Galz-faction petition QT. And I did just go back to my QT to check I hadn't missed anything :-P
On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.hmm. Anyone else get educated last night?
The only thing that I know of that happened to me last night was getting sucked into the Galz-faction petition QT. And I did just go back to my QT to check I hadn't missed anything :-P
On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.hmm. Anyone else get educated last night?
The only thing that I know of that happened to me last night was getting sucked into the Galz-faction petition QT. And I did just go back to my QT to check I hadn't missed anything :-P
Where did that education statement come from? It wasn't the same post as the qt comments.
Have you nk'ed anyone this game as of yet?So you have a night kill? Have you been using it?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
No. I don't want to claim everything about my role right now.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say no, but I don't have a factional nightly NK if that's what you're asking.
Have you nk'ed anyone this game as of yet?So you have a night kill? Have you been using it?Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
No. I don't want to claim everything about my role right now.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say no, but I don't have a factional nightly NK if that's what you're asking.
Can you say more about the petition qt? I feel like that got short shrift this game day.On a side note, I'd appreciate a confirmation from you that something vaguely good happened to you last night, at the very least so I can know whether I've been redirected again.
The only thing that I know of that happened to me last night was getting sucked into the Galz-faction petition QT. And I did just go back to my QT to check I hadn't missed anything :-P
word.
well this looks done.
I can throw a +1 on there to be safe, but if there is loved I would be stealing the hammer from MailMi
Alternatively we could take a step back and maybe lynch Mail-mi.word.
well this looks done.
I can throw a +1 on there to be safe, but if there is loved I would be stealing the hammer from MailMi
An extra vote probably doesn't hurt. I think nither Shraeye nor Mail-mi has a town wincon, so I wouldn't be too worried about stealing a hanmmer...
Or anyone, really.Alternatively we could take a step back and maybe lynch Mail-mi.word.
well this looks done.
I can throw a +1 on there to be safe, but if there is loved I would be stealing the hammer from MailMi
An extra vote probably doesn't hurt. I think nither Shraeye nor Mail-mi has a town wincon, so I wouldn't be too worried about stealing a hanmmer...
Alternatively we could take a step back and maybe lynch Mail-mi.word.
well this looks done.
I can throw a +1 on there to be safe, but if there is loved I would be stealing the hammer from MailMi
An extra vote probably doesn't hurt. I think nither Shraeye nor Mail-mi has a town wincon, so I wouldn't be too worried about stealing a hanmmer...
I mean, I think it would be pretty bastard if I have to hammer shraeye but he's actually loved so I don't know that my vote actually is the hammer.Did you know all along shraeye was the one you had to kill?
I mean, I think it would be pretty bastard if I have to hammer shraeye but he's actually loved so I don't know that my vote actually is the hammer.Did you know all along shraeye was the one you had to kill?
Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
Explain more now pleases thanks
To win, I have to kill the Last Princess (which is either with a NK or a hammer) and be alive at the end of the game.
confused Mail Mi - this reads to me that you either need to NK shraeye or hammer them... is that not what you meant?
I mean, I think it would be pretty bastard if I have to hammer shraeye but he's actually loved so I don't know that my vote actually is the hammer.
I mean, I think it would be pretty bastard if I have to hammer shraeye but he's actually loved so I don't know that my vote actually is the hammer.
this?
I mean, I think it would be pretty bastard if I have to hammer shraeye but he's actually loved so I don't know that my vote actually is the hammer.
this?
I mean, I think it would be pretty bastard if I have to hammer shraeye but he's actually loved so I don't know that my vote actually is the hammer.
this?
Hooray! I’ve missed you all!
I was in the petition qt last night. Nobody else spoke. I was interested to note that the qt was named session 4. I would have thought it should be session 3.
Also mail-mi, wanna fullclaim?
Oh people should maybe be careful with votes because 3!player!scumteam+survivor=lylo. I don't know how likely that is, but it's a possibility.Although that would mean yesterday was 4 town, 3 mafia, 1 sk, and 1 survivor. So probably not. But maybe.
MiX was shot and killed during the night. He was Shaq, the Général. He was Volm.
LaLight was killed during the night. He was Matt Mason, the Little Prince. He was Human.
WCD was shot and killed during the night. She was 西海岸ディッズ, a Dornian.
cayvie was killed during the night. She was Isabella, a Delusional Humanist. She was Human.
WestCoastDidds has been revived!
What session were you part of in the petition qt? 2?
Well, noone died last night, and guess who wasn't around last Night?I was in the petition qt last night. Nobody else spoke. I was interested to note that the qt was named session 4. I would have thought it should be session 3.
Also mail-mi, wanna fullclaim?
Nope, not yet. Though due to the number of survivors I think there's only one scum left, and it's yellow, so let's find them and win.
I tentatively think that a massclaim would be good. At least it's worth discussing.I'm down. Which session were you in?
What sessions are we talking about?I tentatively think that a massclaim would be good. At least it's worth discussing.I'm down. Which session were you in?
In the petition qt. If there was one each night, the one last night should have been session 3. But it was session 4.What sessions are we talking about?I tentatively think that a massclaim would be good. At least it's worth discussing.I'm down. Which session were you in?
Ah. I don't want to be quoting without asking.In the petition qt. If there was one each night, the one last night should have been session 3. But it was session 4.What sessions are we talking about?I tentatively think that a massclaim would be good. At least it's worth discussing.I'm down. Which session were you in?
Oh. My bad.Ah. I don't want to be quoting without asking.In the petition qt. If there was one each night, the one last night should have been session 3. But it was session 4.What sessions are we talking about?I tentatively think that a massclaim would be good. At least it's worth discussing.I'm down. Which session were you in?
Oh. My bad.We were session number 14. Maybe the flavor for the group is different? But ash did not seem to want me to mention the name our group had.
Also mail-mi, wanna fullclaim?
Also vote: efhw
Also vote: efhw
This is becoming tiresome. vote: mail-mi
If we had a town who threw up an IC on death, as well as a town that can revive themselves, then scum start way behind.
Definitely reason to still suspect Didds.
Or it’s reason to suspect a larger scum team, or that there are actually two scum teams, and we just haven’t found one of them yet.
Also, one of these days people will trust me on the EFHW business.
Also also, what was with the mail-mi pile-on after shraeye’s lynch? That weirded me out.
And the primary culprit was Skip.
If we had a town who threw up an IC on death, as well as a town that can revive themselves, then scum start way behind.
Definitely reason to still suspect Didds.
Or it’s reason to suspect a larger scum team, or that there are actually two scum teams, and we just haven’t found one of them yet.
Also, one of these days people will trust me on the EFHW business.
Also also, what was with the mail-mi pile-on after shraeye’s lynch? That weirded me out.
And the primary culprit was Skip.
Pretty sure I was arguing to switch everything to Mail-mi at the end after we'd reached L+1 on Shraeye just in case Shraeye was lynchproof, since without feedback on the lynch from the mod, it seemed prudent to try to cover all our bases before deadline hit.
Also, mail-mi is a claimed non-town with some kind of hidden agenda, isn't he?
I flipped maroon because when I died, my win condition had not been set. It was set when I died....So... what would have been your win condition if you hadn't died by the end of the game?
Space, I had something to do with that.Did you do the good thing and the bad thing, or just the good thing, or just the bad thing?
I flipped maroon because when I died, my win condition had not been set. It was set when I died....So... what would have been your win condition if you hadn't died by the end of the game?
Yes, well, please go on. What were they?I flipped maroon because when I died, my win condition had not been set. It was set when I died....So... what would have been your win condition if you hadn't died by the end of the game?
Like I said at the start, there were lots of moving parts. There were 4 different scenarios that could have set my wincon that mostly hinged on when/if/how I died
Space, I had something to do with that.Did you do the good thing and the bad thing, or just the good thing, or just the bad thing?
Yes, well, please go on. What were they?I flipped maroon because when I died, my win condition had not been set. It was set when I died....So... what would have been your win condition if you hadn't died by the end of the game?
Like I said at the start, there were lots of moving parts. There were 4 different scenarios that could have set my wincon that mostly hinged on when/if/how I died
If we had a town who threw up an IC on death, as well as a town that can revive themselves, then scum start way behind.
Definitely reason to still suspect Didds.
Or it’s reason to suspect a larger scum team, or that there are actually two scum teams, and we just haven’t found one of them yet.
Also, one of these days people will trust me on the EFHW business.
Also also, what was with the mail-mi pile-on after shraeye’s lynch? That weirded me out.
And the primary culprit was Skip.
Pretty sure I was arguing to switch everything to Mail-mi at the end after we'd reached L+1 on Shraeye just in case Shraeye was lynchproof, since without feedback on the lynch from the mod, it seemed prudent to try to cover all our bases before deadline hit.
Also, mail-mi is a claimed non-town with some kind of hidden agenda, isn't he?
The agenda is only mildly hidden, since it appears to me that killing Shraeye was the majority of it.
That being said, @mail-mi, can you lose still?
Here's how I see things:
We probably have another member of the Humanists out there. We have currently no evidence of a third faction with killing capabilities.
We have one non-town alien, and another non-town (mail-mi) who is by shraeye's account also probably an alien.
Seems like we could just let them fight it out.
My first best guess for killerz is Eddie or EFHW
My working theory is that the Humanists have killed the people who were shot, and shraeye killed the others.Here's how I see things:
We probably have another member of the Humanists out there. We have currently no evidence of a third faction with killing capabilities.
We have one non-town alien, and another non-town (mail-mi) who is by shraeye's account also probably an alien.
Seems like we could just let them fight it out.
Who has killed who each night?
Hey I just started a new job, so my availability is gonna be lower. Just letting y'all knowYou could help us out by claiming right now.
Hey I just started a new job, so my availability is gonna be lower. Just letting y'all knowYou could help us out by claiming right now.
He keeps throwing shade on me for no reason. Kind of like you, but scummier.Also vote: efhw
This is becoming tiresome. vote: mail-mi
I don’t understand.
Also vote: efhw
This is becoming tiresome. vote: mail-mi
I don’t understand.
Space, I had something to do with that.Did you do the good thing and the bad thing, or just the good thing, or just the bad thing?
I had something to do with the thing that will help Space with aliens, which is good for her.
Space, I had something to do with that.Did you do the good thing and the bad thing, or just the good thing, or just the bad thing?
I had something to do with the thing that will help Space with aliens, which is good for her.
Have you said what that is?
So Didds, if I understand correctly, you have the ability to revive yourself after death, regardless of how you die, and that ability is not conditional on any other events needing to happen in the game?
Also, I'm not really buying that your wincon is as vague as "avenging your death". You must have specific concrete goal(s) that should be reached, no? You're really given no information other than "avenge your death"?
So you might have already won?So Didds, if I understand correctly, you have the ability to revive yourself after death, regardless of how you die, and that ability is not conditional on any other events needing to happen in the game?
Also, I'm not really buying that your wincon is as vague as "avenging your death". You must have specific concrete goal(s) that should be reached, no? You're really given no information other than "avenge your death"?
1. It was not unconditional, and it was one-shot. I need to check on some things before I can say more about the resurrection conditions. But the gist of it is that I was shot and killed N2, and then resurrected N3. If Shraeye had been able to skip a night, my guess is that I'd have not come back today.
2. My specific, concrete goal is to see the person who killed me dead. I don't have any ability to kill other than participating in a lynch. I was not and will not be told who it was, even once they have been killed. I have some hope that Shraeye killed me, but I am going to scum hunt in case it was someone else.
So you might have already won?So Didds, if I understand correctly, you have the ability to revive yourself after death, regardless of how you die, and that ability is not conditional on any other events needing to happen in the game?
Also, I'm not really buying that your wincon is as vague as "avenging your death". You must have specific concrete goal(s) that should be reached, no? You're really given no information other than "avenge your death"?
1. It was not unconditional, and it was one-shot. I need to check on some things before I can say more about the resurrection conditions. But the gist of it is that I was shot and killed N2, and then resurrected N3. If Shraeye had been able to skip a night, my guess is that I'd have not come back today.
2. My specific, concrete goal is to see the person who killed me dead. I don't have any ability to kill other than participating in a lynch. I was not and will not be told who it was, even once they have been killed. I have some hope that Shraeye killed me, but I am going to scum hunt in case it was someone else.
What I have going for me is that you all have seen my flip, you KNOW that I am not scum. I want to lynch scum, it is my only goal.This is evidently not true. You flipped without alignment reveal, there is no reason to suspect you're non-scum other than believing what you say.
Space, I had something to do with that.Did you do the good thing and the bad thing, or just the good thing, or just the bad thing?
I had something to do with the thing that will help Space with aliens, which is good for her.
Have you said what that is?
I have not. I will let Space say or no.
Space, I had something to do with that.Did you do the good thing and the bad thing, or just the good thing, or just the bad thing?
I had something to do with the thing that will help Space with aliens, which is good for her.
Have you said what that is?
I have not. I will let Space say or no.
It's a type of weapon, so not something I'd really expect someone scummy to hand to an IC.
FYI: I blocked mail-mi last night. Maybe that's the reason there was no nk.
Counter Argument - EFHW is skum setting up MailMi.Mhf. I would think that if EFHW was trying to set someone up, it wouldn't be the claimed Survivor that she could actually win with.
Normally in a situation like this there is an inherent downside for the liar - normally it would be the best case scenario is we mislynch their target, then we learn they were lying, then we lynch them. However, if EFHW is skum, they would have no reason to believe that Mail-Mi does *not* have the ability to kill, nor would they have a reason to believe that Mail-Mi is lying about not shooting. So, they fake a result on Mail-Mi, and when Mail-Mi flips what they claimed to be (a hunter of sorts), it will never actually look bad for EFHW.
Vote: EFHW
@mail-mi, are you human or alien?
Of course you would say that. But most actual humans in this game have names.@mail-mi, are you human or alien?
Human.
You said it yourself.Of course you would say that. But most actual humans in this game have names.@mail-mi, are you human or alien?
Human.
Ok so this makes zero sense to me. Why would a player who already won still be in the game? What is your purpose if your win-con has been fulfilled? Are you sure you aren't notified when your killer dies, and at that point you would be removed from the game?So you might have already won?So Didds, if I understand correctly, you have the ability to revive yourself after death, regardless of how you die, and that ability is not conditional on any other events needing to happen in the game?
Also, I'm not really buying that your wincon is as vague as "avenging your death". You must have specific concrete goal(s) that should be reached, no? You're really given no information other than "avenge your death"?
1. It was not unconditional, and it was one-shot. I need to check on some things before I can say more about the resurrection conditions. But the gist of it is that I was shot and killed N2, and then resurrected N3. If Shraeye had been able to skip a night, my guess is that I'd have not come back today.
2. My specific, concrete goal is to see the person who killed me dead. I don't have any ability to kill other than participating in a lynch. I was not and will not be told who it was, even once they have been killed. I have some hope that Shraeye killed me, but I am going to scum hunt in case it was someone else.
As far as I know, that is correct. I don't have to be alive when it is all over, but my killer can't be alive longer than I am.
It's a pretty weak position to be in. What I have going for me is that you all have seen my flip, you KNOW that I am not scum. I want to lynch scum, it is my only goal.
Counter Argument - EFHW is skum setting up MailMi.Mhf. I would think that if EFHW was trying to set someone up, it wouldn't be the claimed Survivor that she could actually win with.
Normally in a situation like this there is an inherent downside for the liar - normally it would be the best case scenario is we mislynch their target, then we learn they were lying, then we lynch them. However, if EFHW is skum, they would have no reason to believe that Mail-Mi does *not* have the ability to kill, nor would they have a reason to believe that Mail-Mi is lying about not shooting. So, they fake a result on Mail-Mi, and when Mail-Mi flips what they claimed to be (a hunter of sorts), it will never actually look bad for EFHW.
Vote: EFHW
I think I'm with DatSwan here. I think EFHW is actually a scum roleblocker that's trying to set me up. Why me, I don't know. Probably cause I'm an easy mislynch since I'm not town.
I was in the petition qt last night. Nobody else spoke. I was interested to note that the qt was named session 4. I would have thought it should be session 3.
FYI: I blocked mail-mi last night. Maybe that's the reason there was no nk.
this is the first block result you have claimed this game right? Just making sure I am not forgetting something.
I think I'm with DatSwan here. I think EFHW is actually a scum roleblocker that's trying to set me up. Why me, I don't know. Probably cause I'm an easy mislynch since I'm not town.
hold up. you shot at efoo yeah?
Ok so this makes zero sense to me. Why would a player who already won still be in the game? What is your purpose if your win-con has been fulfilled? Are you sure you aren't notified when your killer dies, and at that point you would be removed from the game?
I could have given up what I have space, and my revival capabilities and just been town. I thought that sounded boring.
If I had Not been killed by D5, I was just a survivor and had to stay alive.
If I was on the wagon of three town lynches, I’d become town.
If was lynched or killed, I have to avenge my death
There is another part of these scenarios that I need to check on before I share, but that is the meat of the conditions.
Space has the best evidence that my goal is to help town win.
Ok so this makes zero sense to me. Why would a player who already won still be in the game? What is your purpose if your win-con has been fulfilled? Are you sure you aren't notified when your killer dies, and at that point you would be removed from the game?So you might have already won?So Didds, if I understand correctly, you have the ability to revive yourself after death, regardless of how you die, and that ability is not conditional on any other events needing to happen in the game?
Also, I'm not really buying that your wincon is as vague as "avenging your death". You must have specific concrete goal(s) that should be reached, no? You're really given no information other than "avenge your death"?
1. It was not unconditional, and it was one-shot. I need to check on some things before I can say more about the resurrection conditions. But the gist of it is that I was shot and killed N2, and then resurrected N3. If Shraeye had been able to skip a night, my guess is that I'd have not come back today.
2. My specific, concrete goal is to see the person who killed me dead. I don't have any ability to kill other than participating in a lynch. I was not and will not be told who it was, even once they have been killed. I have some hope that Shraeye killed me, but I am going to scum hunt in case it was someone else.
As far as I know, that is correct. I don't have to be alive when it is all over, but my killer can't be alive longer than I am.
It's a pretty weak position to be in. What I have going for me is that you all have seen my flip, you KNOW that I am not scum. I want to lynch scum, it is my only goal.
Ok so this makes zero sense to me. Why would a player who already won still be in the game? What is your purpose if your win-con has been fulfilled? Are you sure you aren't notified when your killer dies, and at that point you would be removed from the game?
This is a really good point.
Also, with so many choices for wincon, you would think one of them would be to be scum.
I also noticed that the first three scenarios are linked to specific alignments, but the fourth one isn't.I could have given up what I have space, and my revival capabilities and just been town. I thought that sounded boring.
If I had Not been killed by D5, I was just a survivor and had to stay alive.
If I was on the wagon of three town lynches, I’d become town.
If was lynched or killed, I have to avenge my death
There is another part of these scenarios that I need to check on before I share, but that is the meat of the conditions.
Space has the best evidence that my goal is to help town win.
Ok so this makes zero sense to me. Why would a player who already won still be in the game? What is your purpose if your win-con has been fulfilled? Are you sure you aren't notified when your killer dies, and at that point you would be removed from the game?
This is a really good point.
Also, with so many choices for wincon, you would think one of them would be to be scum.
I also noticed that the first three scenarios are linked to specific alignments, but the fourth one isn't.I could have given up what I have space, and my revival capabilities and just been town. I thought that sounded boring.
If I had Not been killed by D5, I was just a survivor and had to stay alive.
If I was on the wagon of three town lynches, I’d become town.
If was lynched or killed, I have to avenge my death
There is another part of these scenarios that I need to check on before I share, but that is the meat of the conditions.
Space has the best evidence that my goal is to help town win.
I'm Ben Mason. I have two powers but can only use one each night. I am a gunsmith and a roleblocker. N1 I gunsmithed Didds. I got a "no", but since there were so many redirections that night, I don't know who the "no" belongs to. N2 I gunsmithed Eddie and got a "no". Last night I roleblocked mail-mi because his claim didn't seem to match Shraeye's flip. His explanation today hasn't helped in that regard, either.
I'm Ben Mason. I have two powers but can only use one each night. I am a gunsmith and a roleblocker. N1 I gunsmithed Didds. I got a "no", but since there were so many redirections that night, I don't know who the "no" belongs to. N2 I gunsmithed Eddie and got a "no". Last night I roleblocked mail-mi because his claim didn't seem to match Shraeye's flip. His explanation today hasn't helped in that regard, either.
First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.
First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.
Not only did she not specify it, she in fact specified the opposite; namely that she would continue to play after having won. Later she walked it back a little.First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.
fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.
Not only did she not specify it, she in fact specified the opposite; namely that she would continue to play after having won. Later she walked it back a little.First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.
fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.
So 2 points:
- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.
Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:
Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip
So 2 points:
- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.
Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:
Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip
Yes.So 2 points:
- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.
Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:
Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip
I 100% missed that first part. What was the cause of Shraeye and no night actions on N1? was that you and I just totally missed it?
So 2 points:
- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.
Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:
Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip
also... should we not have skip after E!? just based on the info that will be revealed in between I mean. Or at a minimum, have Skip be before MailMi?
Yes.So 2 points:
- I thought all deaths would be accounted for. However, I forgot that shraeye could not take any night actions N1. So we have one unexplained kill there.
- Looking at mail-mi's claimed role... it doesn't make sense. He can't win with shraeye obviously. If he's alien, he can't win with the humanists. So effectively, without another team, he'd be locked into winning with town... but then he might as well be town.
Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:
Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip
I 100% missed that first part. What was the cause of Shraeye and no night actions on N1? was that you and I just totally missed it?
@EFHW: Can you be more precise about the Gunsmith part of your role? What exactly do you check for?If the person has a gun.
Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
@DatSwan, looking for inconsistencies. ashersky would definitely have been specific about a matter of alignment. Yet the same scenario she is claiming is the one without an alignment.
Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
also since they fliped hunter or whatever and purple not super crazy to assume they had a SM modifier.
Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradictedShraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradictedShraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
You are assuming things that are probably right but aren't stated. The alignment is stated for the other 3.@DatSwan, looking for inconsistencies. ashersky would definitely have been specific about a matter of alignment. Yet the same scenario she is claiming is the one without an alignment.
I mean... no alignment + win con changes is just "survivor with non-fixed win con". I don't put that anywhere outside Ash's depth.
He said he was immune to actions, except that 2 would kill him.Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradictedShraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
are you referring to his "2 actions kill me" bit?
BC if it was true... and he saw green text on faust... and he was alive... he would kind of have a certainty that he was only targeted by one action. cuz alive.
Yes.Shraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
same same right? like exactly one command input to the mod?
Yes. I'm not sure why you bring this up. It seems to be to discredit the idea that there is another killing faction out there. But then you don't offer up an alternative explanation.Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradictedShraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
He said he was immune to actions, except that 2 would kill him.Ok, but that means he made a weirdly specific claim that was very likely to be contradictedShraeye said actions couldn't affect him. That could have been a lie, but why risk it? So he could be responsible for an N1 kill.No because as said, the very same action that got him in a QT with me also blocked him. If it didn't affect him, he would not have ended up in the QT.
In any cas, we have two players with questionable claims. Agree mass claim is in order.
are you referring to his "2 actions kill me" bit?
BC if it was true... and he saw green text on faust... and he was alive... he would kind of have a certainty that he was only targeted by one action. cuz alive.
Are we still wanting me to claim here?Please claim.
Does it change anyone’s mind that my power has ~0 impact on helping town win if Scum know it’s a thing? It requires scum to make certain choices, choices that they are less likely to make if they know my power.
Does it also change anyone’s mind that my role is confirmable once I use it?
As in, it is announced, and obvious?
Can you cancel your own lynch?
I’m writing down EFHW’s evilness and Pubby’s Towny-ness in my handy dandy notebook.
I’m writing down EFHW’s evilness and Pubby’s Towny-ness in my handy dandy notebook.
Why didn't you use your powers to save pubby?
- Once per game I can reset the votes to everyone not voting, but only if I am voting on the largest wagon. And the wagon has to be larger than L-2.Is "larger than L-2" in any way functionally different form "L-1"?
Vote: Eddie
Let's get the confirming over with.
You choose.Vote: Eddie
Let's get the confirming over with.
I mean, sure, but why would I lie.
Which one do you want me to use? Because it impacts how I have to vote here.
- Once per game I can reset the votes to everyone not voting, but only if I am voting on the largest wagon. And the wagon has to be larger than L-2.Is "larger than L-2" in any way functionally different form "L-1"?
You choose.Vote: Eddie
Let's get the confirming over with.
I mean, sure, but why would I lie.
Which one do you want me to use? Because it impacts how I have to vote here.
- Once per game I can reset the votes to everyone not voting, but only if I am voting on the largest wagon. And the wagon has to be larger than L-2.Is "larger than L-2" in any way functionally different form "L-1"?
I have no idea, I just assumed it was L-1 with wording to help with Hated/Loved or something weird.
I dunno what it means.
Although I wonder if it would work after someone hammered (L-0)You didn't think about it until now?
I dunno.
I would like to hear more about EFHW's thought process for Roleblocking mail-mi.
Long story short - I think there is still a red team out there. We need to massclaim. Here is the order:
Eddie
DatSwan
e
mail-mi claims what he knows about skip
Didds claims the rest of her role
skip
Did you think it plausible that he wasn't telling the truth?I would like to hear more about EFHW's thought process for Roleblocking mail-mi.
Nothing very profound. He was claiming to be Shraeye's hunter. So either he was telling the truth and had a killing power with non-town motivation, or he was scum with a killing power with non-town motivation.
Although I wonder if it would work after someone hammered (L-0)You didn't think about it until now?
I dunno.
- Once per game I can toggle on the ability to cancel a lynch, but the lynch will only be canceled if I am not voting for the person who would have died when it happens. After the cancelation occurs, everyone only gets 1 vote for the rest of the day, and then at the end of the day whoever has the most votes is lynched, redaress of the required amount of votes.
Eddie is free to prove his claim by using his other power, which doesn't change the voting rules. But I thought the change was kind of interesting and I wouldn't mind to see how it plays out.- Once per game I can toggle on the ability to cancel a lynch, but the lynch will only be canceled if I am not voting for the person who would have died when it happens. After the cancelation occurs, everyone only gets 1 vote for the rest of the day, and then at the end of the day whoever has the most votes is lynched, redaress of the required amount of votes.
@faust, does the "everyone only gets 1 vote for the rest of the day" part here not give us reason to pause?
I would prefer to proceed with the claims, get other stuff out in the open, and give people a chance to vote normally before pushing Eddie to prove this. After all, it's a potentially high cost to town to prove his role does as he claims: no wagon analysis for the rest of this game-day, no need for majority voting, probably forcing the day to end at the deadline itself, where most of us in Europe will be asleep... I'm not so comfortable with that.
He could just do his other power.- Once per game I can toggle on the ability to cancel a lynch, but the lynch will only be canceled if I am not voting for the person who would have died when it happens. After the cancelation occurs, everyone only gets 1 vote for the rest of the day, and then at the end of the day whoever has the most votes is lynched, redaress of the required amount of votes.
@faust, does the "everyone only gets 1 vote for the rest of the day" part here not give us reason to pause?
I would prefer to proceed with the claims, get other stuff out in the open, and give people a chance to vote normally before pushing Eddie to prove this. After all, it's a potentially high cost to town to prove his role does as he claims: no wagon analysis for the rest of this game-day, no need for majority voting, probably forcing the day to end at the deadline itself, where most of us in Europe will be asleep... I'm not so comfortable with that.
Once Shraeye flipped, yes.Did you think it plausible that he wasn't telling the truth?I would like to hear more about EFHW's thought process for Roleblocking mail-mi.
Nothing very profound. He was claiming to be Shraeye's hunter. So either he was telling the truth and had a killing power with non-town motivation, or he was scum with a killing power with non-town motivation.
Also worth noting, if most people believe that I have the power, me having to prove it is a waste of time.
Especially because I could easily be either alignment with these powers.
But whatever.
Also worth noting, if most people believe that I have the power, me having to prove it is a waste of time.
Especially because I could easily be either alignment with these powers.
But whatever.
Odd you say "either" alignment and not "any" alignment, given that we've seen yellow, purple and green flips, plus an uncoloured flip, and we have a hypothesized red team out there maybe.
Anyway, as you say, the utility of the powers is a little reduced now you've announced them, but that also means there's less of a cost associated with getting you to prove it's not something you made up as scum.
@mail-mi, you said the power is NAI, but how does that make you feel about Eddie? Like, do you think it's an invented fakeclaim from scum, a weird scum power, or a weird town power? Does that fact it's verifiable make you any less suspious about it being a fakeclaim?
Also, EFHW says I don’t have a gun.No? Only half of the nightkills have a "shot" flavor.
So either we are a team, or I am not a killer.
Also, EFHW says I don’t have a gun.No? Only half of the nightkills have a "shot" flavor.
So either we are a team, or I am not a killer.
It detects the ability to kill with a gun. I get a "no" if someone has some other method of killing.Also, EFHW says I don’t have a gun.No? Only half of the nightkills have a "shot" flavor.
So either we are a team, or I am not a killer.
Oh, I assumed it was someone who detected kills? Is it only for flavor?
That's interesting. According to mafiascum wiki, gunsmith brings back the same result for mafia as it does for werewolf. But I guess efhw's role doesnt necessarily need to be a classical standard gunsmith.It detects the ability to kill with a gun. I get a "no" if someone has some other method of killing.Also, EFHW says I don’t have a gun.No? Only half of the nightkills have a "shot" flavor.
So either we are a team, or I am not a killer.
Oh, I assumed it was someone who detected kills? Is it only for flavor?
I guess it is a little different, because the wiki says I get "yes" results for cops, but that wasn't in my pm. I put the term gunsmith on it, not ashersky. Thought it was a compact way to explain it.That's interesting. According to mafiascum wiki, gunsmith brings back the same result for mafia as it does for werewolf. But I guess efhw's role doesnt necessarily need to be a classical standard gunsmith.It detects the ability to kill with a gun. I get a "no" if someone has some other method of killing.Also, EFHW says I don’t have a gun.No? Only half of the nightkills have a "shot" flavor.
So either we are a team, or I am not a killer.
Oh, I assumed it was someone who detected kills? Is it only for flavor?
My first best guess for killerz is Eddie or EFHW
We have a similar list. Only a few minor difference.
Cool. (Cool cool cool.)
My first best guess for killerz is Eddie or EFHW
We have a similar list. Only a few minor difference.
Is e on your list?
Cool. (Cool cool cool.)
So we started off the game with 14 players (15 if you count space) and at this point we can identify 6 of those 14 as non-town. Do we think there's a 7th (that would mean we had only half the population at game-start), or do we think the rest of us are town and some/all of these claimed survivors are scum? I think we think the latter. I'd like to start by lynching mail-mi, but I can also do swan/didds.
Cool. (Cool cool cool.)
You just became my best friend.
- All the powers that we were given were done so in a shared-factional usage, not independently. This is to say, I have all the same powers WCD does, but not "double".So... what are these powers?
@mail-mi: Do you have a gun?
- All the powers that we were given were done so in a shared-factional usage, not independently. This is to say, I have all the same powers WCD does, but not "double".So... what are these powers?
My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.
I agree with the town read on WCD here.
I am not a fan of the EFHW or WCD cases at all. And while it isn't the best, I guess my next would be the pubby wagon in terms of choices. So that is where I will go for now.
Vote: Pubby
I apologize for being scare. Two games and the swift switch to online teaching have kicked my ass a little bit. But if not being as available as we had hoped is full on scummy, I’m not at the top of that list.who is?
Galz, by like a mile
I mean, I am not advocating a case here, but obviously this is true.
I understand the EFHW votes and the Galz votes....but, DatSwan, why e?
Cayvie is in my town bucket now.... so I’m not buying that she is setting up a town EFHW.
I'll get back to this down the road a bit. I have no info or anything like that.
4) You opened your claim with making your "case" on WCD, which I do not agree with at all, but whatever that is not the point. Everything you did actually does line up with having the mindset of trying to find skum. At first I think it didn't, but thinking it over, it makes sense. You look into you top likely case, post it first, then post up the claim and then point out that you ofc want skum to get lynched. All that is fine... here are the issues.
a) I do not think you are gonna get skum out of WCD here, which of course is just clashing opinions, but makes me weary of your "read".
b) If your win con is "be alive when all the Aliens are dead", and as you said you believe there are Town and Skum Aliens... how do you see this claim working out for you? Real question, I did rough math, but I am sure you did it better before you claimed. Like on the ven diagram of things, I don't think that works in your favor right? Potential roles that would not want to sign your thing, unless I am missing something, include [Town Alien, Skum Alien, or like non-Alien skum]. Players on the possible sign list would be [Non-Alien Town.... and others?]. So yeah, I guess the question is... because you were not close enough to lynch to feel pressure at the time of claim... why not hold onto this info for a while? What did you gain here?
c) If I understand how this all works... which I probably don't... you are essentially just asking for help on the promise that you are tellilng the truth here right? Like there is absolutely no gain or loss for players that sign and/or agree to proxy you?
Sorry that is a lot and apologies if you embedded them in you thought process, but if I could just get some quick yes/no clarifications it would settle my mind a lot.
I believe her paranoia here is that it was the signing itself that killed LaLight.
First, the argument that the numbers in the QT didn’t match my claim. So... I would lie about that confirmable piece of information because...? yeah. Real smart of me. Or, you know, the more logical explanation is that somebody didn’t post (lazy or scum, who knows).Obviously, the answer is - because you didn't know better. Like for example the recruitment to the QT was actually targeted, you targeted 4 players, it failed on one without your knowledge.Second, bolded, I did clarify. You didn’t bother to circle back to that point though and ask me why I hadn’t yet (as it’s clear you missed it), did you? ... - or you’re just choosing to ignore it. Whichever.Oh yeah, you did answer (when pressed about it, not on your own). And the answer is... ashersky didn't clarify. Which is funny because all the questions I asked about my role received clear and unambiguous answers from ashersky, even though they could have been answered by "you'll see when you get there". I don't believe that ashersky has a double standard in modding.
Clarification from a guy watching outside the ring - op says he won’t answer certain shit. And i can confirm that is true.
I do not want to lynch Galz or WCD. but I will lynch Galz before WCD.
Galz - I actually believe you are the survivor variant. But I believe WCD is town, which means you are the better choice if I have to choose. Will you not push eddie with me? if not will you push anyone else? I will gladly sheep you on like anyone but her or myself at this point.
I do not want to lynch Galz or WCD. but I will lynch Galz before WCD.
Galz - I actually believe you are the survivor variant. But I believe WCD is town, which means you are the better choice if I have to choose. Will you not push eddie with me? if not will you push anyone else? I will gladly sheep you on like anyone but her or myself at this point.
Why in the wide world of heck am I evil, though?
honestly, I do not have a great reason.
I am not lynching WCD.
I do not want to lynch Galz.
I still don't want to lynch Cayvie.
Space is town (today at least) so that's not happening.
gap...
I don't like the way the EFHW wagon started up... so skeptical there.
(edited down)
I am open to suggestions, even from you, if you are willing to look away from WCD/Space/faust and small ass gap - galz.
Do we have any reason to belive that there would be a concentration of aliens in the skum alignment? or are we thinking it is spread out marginally? I am not a huge follower of the show, I just watched the beginning in which most the aliens were baddies, but obv that is not the case.
Can there be Human Baddies? Can there be like *a lot* of Alien Town? does anyone know?
Didds, what is your read on Swan?
He is the opposite of jumping around, piling on, making flimsy cases, or being stubborn. So, he’s high on my town list, but not as high as cayvie.
Except 3/4 of those things are town traits.
Arguably all 4, but I can give you one.
She said I was high on her town list? im confused at your response.
OK - caught up. Just gonna broad stroke it.
@ Galz:
1) Your case on WCD is weak, at best. Like it doesn't even matter. You could divulge what you think WCD's quirk is at this point and there is so little time left in the day people would not have time to even attempt to go back and read games to verify it. And even if they did, well I can't speak for others, but for me even if it added up it wouldn't swing me.
2) That actually is kind of my whole basis on why you almost must be what you claim to be - I dont think you bring that case forward as skum and tunnel it like this.
3) I do not want to lynch you, but I will lynch you before WCD. I also do not believe I want to lynch faust. From my POV, if you are skum, then he is not skum... and if you are Survivor and he is skum, he would not want to lynch you, he would want to lynch town. EFHW I would lynch over Galz/Faust/WCD, so if you wanna try for that, I will join you there for now. But it is purely based a pool of people that I do not want to lynch and EFHW coming in 4th out of 4.
It doesn't seem like I'll have time to reread today, sorry y'all.
Also there's a very IRL reason I've been more disengaged D2 and kinda skirting along: it's the end of the semester, which means final projects and finals are coming due. I've just been busier than I was D1
would you consider Eddie or EFHW over WCD?
k fair - but if your read on faust that makes sense, which I suppose it at least has merit to it, is "he is alien skum he would want me dead bc we can't win together", why would you spend the whole day pushing WCD instead of faust?
to clarify - unless I am missing something, your read on WCD is she is skum. Which is good for you at this point if true if they get lynched. But no where near as good as alien skum... or even probably alien town... though I have no idea how you would get a read on alien town, so I guess that doesn't matter. But still, Alien!skum is def better for you then Random!Skum.
Yeah..
I will go with
Vote:EFHW
Better than WCD by a mile. Closely followed by Galz imo.
And while I appreciate Galz case, which is why they are grouped close to WCD there... I just don't want faust today.
Also, Swowl, you still think I’m a baddie?
I’m so tired I just want to ramble a bit.
meh. I do but for the same reasons as always, which are about as solid as Galz' reasons on WCD so yeah. But not enough to care right now.
I mean let's just make it plain and simple on Galz.
I typed out specific yes or no questions to him in that post yesterday specifically so there was no way to weasle out of it. And one of them was "is there anything about your role you have not told us"? It was then asked again by faust, and both times he said "no, I have told you everything". If he had an alignment with cayvie that would be a lie.
Also, more strange. As he did in fact get lynched... I am inclined to believe they were not actually partners (knowingly at least) because cayvie claiming truth would of been a big swing that probably saves Galz. Though cayvie was not on Galz. But then also Galz really wanted to lynch Cayvie. IDK, they both died, probably doesn't matter.
More importantly...
We have another shot and killed plus just a "killed".
Obvious question would be I think if anyone got the contract thing. If there is a reason not to claim that out, then whatever I guess hold off. But if the sign thing went out again, and someone can confirm that cayvie signed it... that is kind of a go ahead for probably do not sign that anymore.
k I am fine with splitting work with you, I can look at it my way and you can your way and we can compare notes or whatever.
But 2 distinctions of differences in our POVs from what I can see..
1) Could be Survivors still - I am absolutely not sold that they were a form of skum. I mean, I suppose I lean that way, but I am at the like let's say 70% certainty level, not 100%. While I do not know what the explanations are, there could be a world in which we could explain kills here without them being a part of the equation.
2) faust and Galz fight - They are absolutely capable of putting on a show like that. In fact, if they are skum together, they probably would go out of their way to do it because they always but heads when they are town/town or town/skum anyways. That being said.... I got pretty genuine vibes off of there back and forth.
3) Kill Selection - Additionally, if they are a team, then cayvie was part of that team too. Cayvie died... and they shot... WCD? I don't get that one. There were a lot of people that were willing to go for Didds yesterday, and while Galz flipping that color would not be great.... they also did not know Cayvie was gonna flip. So selling that flip as survivor and "galz was telling the truth" is not hard - which would then lead to Didds as an easy set up wagon. I would think if they were a skum team of 3 they would be more inclined to aim at like you/Skip for example.
Either way - I am gonna look at it as a "searching for Red Team" and I will get back in a bit.
ok I will give you that all of that checks out fairly well.
That would explain the weak af case galz made. My theory at the time was he would never make it as skum because it was such BS... but if he thought there was a chance he claims and gets WCD lynched and then they flip as skum... yeah that would of worked fairly heavy in their favor.
They still don't technically NEED to of had the ability to kill... but I can see how that could be factored in and make sense.
faust - you say that you targeted WCD with your ability right? but got Shraeye instaed. Why WCD?
faust - you say that you targeted WCD with your ability right? but got Shraeye instaed. Why WCD?I thought that when I put her on the spot to make a claim, it would be easy to see whether it was genuine; she's not that experienced with fakeclaims. Also she is among the people I'd most enjoy having a QT with.
well I def can't argue with the last part. she is fun.
The only thing you attempted to do was open a QT with her?
Ok so this makes zero sense to me. Why would a player who already won still be in the game? What is your purpose if your win-con has been fulfilled? Are you sure you aren't notified when your killer dies, and at that point you would be removed from the game?
This is a really good point.
Also, with so many choices for wincon, you would think one of them would be to be scum.
I also noticed that the first three scenarios are linked to specific alignments, but the fourth one isn't.I could have given up what I have space, and my revival capabilities and just been town. I thought that sounded boring.
If I had Not been killed by D5, I was just a survivor and had to stay alive.
If I was on the wagon of three town lynches, I’d become town.
If was lynched or killed, I have to avenge my death
There is another part of these scenarios that I need to check on before I share, but that is the meat of the conditions.
Space has the best evidence that my goal is to help town win.
I do not comprehend any of the confusion here (minus the part that didds just updated). Like almost to a misleading point.
First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?
Secondly - Given the amount of flipped factions at this point, how is it not conceivable that "one of the win cons is linked to skum". Skum faction A kills her, she comes back to life and she inherently has to help skum faction B/C/D/E/F/however many the shit there are to win. That is a skum based win con. Albeit it is more survivor, but it is skum-survivor not town-survivor.
Lastly - I do not get the confusion on the win cons being linked.
1. They have no win con, and then turn into Town win con
2. They have no win con, they go day 5 with nothing happening and they gain survivor wincon.
3. They have no win con, they fullfil the lynch req, they gain town (or whatever in hindsight) wincon.
4. They have no win con, they get dead, and their win con is completely randomized based on who killed/lynched them.
They all start with having no win con, then based on events, the win con is chosen. 2 and 4 seem to be fairly directly linked to survivor, and 1 and 3 (as we don't even know if there is a skum faction of 3) seems likely to be linked to town.
Why is there a focus on #4 from you here efoo?
First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.
fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.
Not only did she not specify it, she in fact specified the opposite; namely that she would continue to play after having won. Later she walked it back a little.First off - we have claimed mailmi who has stated their win con was to find Princess Shraeye (awesome), and then kill/lynch whatever them. That happened. Mail-Mi is still in the game. Why would you be suspicious of WCD but not of Mail-Mi?mail-mi has at least claimed that he needs to live till the end in order to win, like a survivor. So he hasn't won yet.
fair enough. I just assumed it was the same with Didds. But to your point, you are correct, they did not specify that.
well that is kind of my point. her specifying that she would continue to play and mail mi specifying their win con in the way they did led me to believe they were similar.
Here you go faust.... Swan is doing far defending me because I was the one on the defensive most of the time so I just ISO'd him. I have to grade some exams, but if you want me to do the same for myself after that, lemme knowI'd loathe to keep you from the extremely fun task of grading... which I am definitely not putting off as we speak.
Here you go faust.... Swan is doing far defending me because I was the one on the defensive most of the time so I just ISO'd him. I have to grade some exams, but if you want me to do the same for myself after that, lemme knowI'd loathe to keep you from the extremely fun task of grading... which I am definitely not putting off as we speak.
I know we're waiting for e, but I would be happy to hear some discussions on the claims we've seen so far in the meantime.I want to lynch the heck out of claimed survivors. Especially ones that are shooting people. Especially if they were blocked and no other nk happened.
I know we're waiting for e, but I would be happy to hear some discussions on the claims we've seen so far in the meantime.I want to lynch the heck out of claimed survivors. Especially ones that are shooting people. Especially if they were blocked and no other nk happened.
@Didds and @Swan, do both/either of you need to be alive at the end of the game to win?
I have never been in a game where CC on flavor has happened before.Are scum usually given safeclaims?
This is weird.
It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
I've got a minute, I am going to full claim my rolepowers.
My flavor name is simply The Hunter. My win condition is as you've been told.
I have a 1-shot Vig that I can use to hunt my target. I think shraeye's claimed "2 powers target me and I die" is a lie since my vig would kill him. I asked ash about it after shraeye claimed, and he said I would be able to kill the Last Princess with my shot. Since shraeye was already dead, I tried to shoot EFHW last night because either her or eddie is the last scum.
I also have a weakened flavor cop. Each night I can target a player and learn if they are the Last Princess or not. I learn no other information about the player.
I'm also 1-shot Bulletproof, and I am not informed if that shot is used up or not. That may be why we didn't have a kill last night, though I have no idea why scum would shoot at me from yesterday, so it's probably something else.
He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
Yeah it's almost as if it makes no sense for me to do this as scum....
I am more interested in why you were confident enough to create a 1v1 with me.
vote: skip
He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
Yeah, but I'd be more interested in you claiming and me being able to confirm your claim.
I actually dont know what Mail-mi has. But I also don't know what faust has, so I couldn't have lied about it even if I went after Mail-mi.He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
Yeah, but I'd be more interested in you claiming and me being able to confirm your claim.
are you assuming he does not know what you have? bc otherwise this kind of makes no sense.
ok do we have confirmations from the other 2 already that they got your stuff?Well, space said they didn't get anything, so idk. Faust put me last in claim order, so probably he got it, but he hasn't said anything yet.
He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
Yeah, but I'd be more interested in you claiming and me being able to confirm your claim.
are you assuming he does not know what you have? bc otherwise this kind of makes no sense.
He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
Yeah, but I'd be more interested in you claiming and me being able to confirm your claim.
are you assuming he does not know what you have? bc otherwise this kind of makes no sense.
No I am assuming he does, but I'd rather be the one confirming than confirmed.
I received a 1-shot doctor from Skip.
ok welp. I pretty much believe Skip here then. Which pretty much means... E gotta be lying yeah?
I know, right? It's been driving me crazy for over a month that I don't know what any of them do. MD was fairly easy, though I didn't know if it was 1-shot, but the others totally stumped me. I was looking forward to getting some answers today, but mail-mi apparently got the only obvious one. We'll see what faust says.He didn't claim what I gave him.It's mail-mi's turn. I will fullclaim right after.
mail-mi already claimed
Yeah, but I'd be more interested in you claiming and me being able to confirm your claim.
are you assuming he does not know what you have? bc otherwise this kind of makes no sense.
No I am assuming he does, but I'd rather be the one confirming than confirmed.
I received a 1-shot doctor from Skip.
that matches up with an MD, the other degrees aren't as clear to me
E!
Unless you are claiming to be the person that shot us, I do not see how this helps us. As we have no way of knowing that
a) we will live
b) you are truthful.
I confirm that I received the thing from skip. There is another part to my role that I intended to claim, but now it seems like not such a good idea.
But you know, if you want to betray us Swan, go ahead. I will do everything in my power to stop you.
Given the revelation of a red faction, it is extra important to remove both of Eddie's powers from the game.
So let's get Eddie up to lynch, see if he's telling the truth, and then lynch e.I confirm that I received the thing from skip. There is another part to my role that I intended to claim, but now it seems like not such a good idea.
But you know, if you want to betray us Swan, go ahead. I will do everything in my power to stop you.
I mean if I wanted to do it, it would happen. But I don't. I have no way of verifying anything that E! is saying rn. So I see no upside to it.
So let's get Eddie up to lynch, see if he's telling the truth, and then lynch e.I confirm that I received the thing from skip. There is another part to my role that I intended to claim, but now it seems like not such a good idea.
But you know, if you want to betray us Swan, go ahead. I will do everything in my power to stop you.
I mean if I wanted to do it, it would happen. But I don't. I have no way of verifying anything that E! is saying rn. So I see no upside to it.
Eddie's power can be used to prevent a lynch last-minute, which is at least potentially dangerous.So let's get Eddie up to lynch, see if he's telling the truth, and then lynch e.I confirm that I received the thing from skip. There is another part to my role that I intended to claim, but now it seems like not such a good idea.
But you know, if you want to betray us Swan, go ahead. I will do everything in my power to stop you.
I mean if I wanted to do it, it would happen. But I don't. I have no way of verifying anything that E! is saying rn. So I see no upside to it.
I mean with eddies power it wouldn't matter right? they can prevent the lynch if I get it correctly right?
Given the revelation of a red faction, it is extra important to remove both of Eddie's powers from the game.Do you know eddie is bad, or just that it makes sense to force him to use up his powers, in case he's bad?
Eddie's power can be used to prevent a lynch last-minute, which is at least potentially dangerous.So let's get Eddie up to lynch, see if he's telling the truth, and then lynch e.I confirm that I received the thing from skip. There is another part to my role that I intended to claim, but now it seems like not such a good idea.
But you know, if you want to betray us Swan, go ahead. I will do everything in my power to stop you.
I mean if I wanted to do it, it would happen. But I don't. I have no way of verifying anything that E! is saying rn. So I see no upside to it.
I mean with eddies power it wouldn't matter right? they can prevent the lynch if I get it correctly right?
Also if he's lying, then we get a free scum lynch.
other than that your logic make sense-ish, other than E! is conf!skum and my win con kinda makes me wanna go with conf!Skum.I don't know what to tell you, man. I seems like a bad design choice to have a 2-player kingmaking faction sticking around, but here we are I guess.
What am I missing here? I am pokering and doing this at the same time.
other than that your logic make sense-ish, other than E! is conf!skum and my win con kinda makes me wanna go with conf!Skum.I don't know what to tell you, man. I seems like a bad design choice to have a 2-player kingmaking faction sticking around, but here we are I guess.
What am I missing here? I am pokering and doing this at the same time.
It's not like mafia would ever shoot you though. That makes no sense for them, no matter their threats.
I mean if he is lying we can still get a free skum lynch with E right?Yeah, but having a confirmed scum still around when night falls helps with Night action targeting.
Don't get me wrong I have been on and off Eddie from get go... but this seems like taking a gift and giving it away a little.
so what is the plan here if we run eddie up and then they just prevent their own lynch last minute?I mean, clearly we shouldn't draw it out to the last minute.
@faust, is efhw scum too? Is anybody town? What the heck is this game?????None of these questions are sarcastic.
Well, not none. But still...@faust, is efhw scum too? Is anybody town? What the heck is this game?????None of these questions are sarcastic.
@faust, is efhw scum too? Is anybody town? What the heck is this game?????
@faust, is efhw scum too? Is anybody town? What the heck is this game?????Well EFHW is scum if the red team has 3 members. Otherwise it's just Eddie/e. I have some hope that she's town given that her targeting mail-mi is confirmed and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for scum to do that.
And if Swan/Didds decide to turn on us, we definitely have one recourse - everyone who gets their hands on it should sign those petitions!
Neither am I. But I assume nothing good.And if Swan/Didds decide to turn on us, we definitely have one recourse - everyone who gets their hands on it should sign those petitions!
I mean, I don't see that happening. but also, not sure what the petition would do to us?
An important thing to remember in this trying time: I am town.I'm sure that the other sparse members of town got awesome powers to confirm themselves and you got stuck with a bunch of crap useless powers.
Also would like to note that this game is heavily political, with the two sides seemingly being the extremists on this alien issue, and town being the people in the middle.Cool, so you know the mafia flavor? Good to know.
An important thing to remember in this trying time: I am town.I'm sure that the other sparse members of town got awesome powers to confirm themselves and you got stuck with a bunch of crap useless powers.
Also would like to note that this game is heavily political, with the two sides seemingly being the extremists on this alien issue, and town being the people in the middle.Cool, so you know the mafia flavor? Good to know.
Also would like to note that this game is heavily political, with the two sides seemingly being the extremists on this alien issue, and town being the people in the middle.Cool, so you know the mafia flavor? Good to know.
other than that your logic make sense-ish, other than E! is conf!skum and my win con kinda makes me wanna go with conf!Skum.
What am I missing here? I am pokering and doing this at the same time.
other than that your logic make sense-ish, other than E! is conf!skum and my win con kinda makes me wanna go with conf!Skum.
What am I missing here? I am pokering and doing this at the same time.
Your wincon is to survive until the end. The revenge half is complete.
To be clear: we have a 3 person mafia team. If you lynch me, one of you does tonight, the other the following night and you lose
You join me and lynch space, you win.
WCD and Swan both need to join me voting for space, then my partners can complete the lynch.
other than that your logic make sense-ish, other than E! is conf!skum and my win con kinda makes me wanna go with conf!Skum.
What am I missing here? I am pokering and doing this at the same time.
Your wincon is to survive until the end. The revenge half is complete.
To be clear: we have a 3 person mafia team. If you lynch me, one of you does tonight, the other the following night and you lose
You join me and lynch space, you win.
WCD and Swan both need to join me voting for space, then my partners can complete the lynch.
Who are the three mafia, then?
Nice try but no.
What’s the percent chance that you think I am scum here?Why do you want to know? So you can either say I'm too sure of myself or that I shouldn't be pushing this hard when there's a chance that I'm wrong?
WCD, Swan - carefully watch the kill tonight. It will just be a normal kill. WCD was killed by a shot and kill.
Mafia did not kill WCD.
If you want to win, work with us. Or, you know, the night is dark and full of terrors. Who knows what might happen.
Vote: space
What’s the percent chance that you think I am scum here?Why do you want to know? So you can either say I'm too sure of myself or that I shouldn't be pushing this hard when there's a chance that I'm wrong?
WCD, Swan - carefully watch the kill tonight. It will just be a normal kill. WCD was killed by a shot and kill.
Mafia did not kill WCD.
If you want to win, work with us. Or, you know, the night is dark and full of terrors. Who knows what might happen.
Vote: space
Talk to me, goose. Who shot and killed me?
Mail-mi, same goes for you. Your job here is done. Now you just need to survive.
There are scarier things than the espheni out there. We can guarantee protection from them
Mail-mi, same goes for you. Your job here is done. Now you just need to survive.
There are scarier things than the espheni out there. We can guarantee protection from them
E, the scum faction is espheni?
Or Galzria did the kill, they were both humanistsHey, your story would probably be more believable if you could prove your team really has 3 people on it. Just a thought.
Or Galzria did the kill, they were both humanists
Day 3 Final Vote Count:
EFHW (2): uncle, DatSwan
shraeye (5): faust, EFHW, 2.7, Space, mail-mi
Not Voting (2): shraeye, skip
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Or Galzria did the kill, they were both humanists
He was lynched before I died, so that wouldn’t work, right?
Who did the red team kill?
Mail-mi, same goes for you. Your job here is done. Now you just need to survive.
There are scarier things than the espheni out there. We can guarantee protection from them
E, the scum faction is espheni?
No, espheni is still the enemy. But we took care of that with shraeye's lynch
Mail-mi, same goes for you. Your job here is done. Now you just need to survive.
There are scarier things than the espheni out there. We can guarantee protection from them
E, the scum faction is espheni?
No, espheni is still the enemy. But we took care of that with shraeye's lynch
Are you aliens?
I need more help...
Did you kill LL or mix?
Why was there no kill last night?
Or Galzria did the kill, they were both humanistsHey, your story would probably be more believable if you could prove your team really has 3 people on it. Just a thought.
Or Galzria did the kill, they were both humanistsHey, your story would probably be more believable if you could prove your team really has 3 people on it. Just a thought.
Agreed. How can he do that?
The rest of the team can claim.Or Galzria did the kill, they were both humanistsHey, your story would probably be more believable if you could prove your team really has 3 people on it. Just a thought.
Agreed. How can he do that?
E!
Unless you are claiming to be the person that shot us, I do not see how this helps us. As we have no way of knowing that
a) we will live
b) you are truthful.
No you don't.
I did not shoot you. Mafia do not "shoot"
Town can't guarantee you live, mafia can
And yeah, trust in this situation is hard, I get it
Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
E!
Unless you are claiming to be the person that shot us, I do not see how this helps us. As we have no way of knowing that
a) we will live
b) you are truthful.
No you don't.
I did not shoot you. Mafia do not "shoot"
Town can't guarantee you live, mafia can
And yeah, trust in this situation is hard, I get it
y’all have been hunting the shooters? Are there more shooters left?
How can you guarantee we live?
PPE 1
Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
Indeed.Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
So, if those three are scum
Swan, yams, and I are not scum
Faust, space, and skip are town
We need three more days to lynch all of them, they need three nights to kill all of you. So, if we lynch e then the three days happen sooner than the three nights, yeah?
As for the guarantee about your survival?
Humanists are dead (pretty sure)
SK is dead
We aren't lynching you.
The only way you die is if we kill you. Which after you team up with us won't happen
Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
So, if those three are scum
Swan, yams, and I are not scum
Faust, space, and skip are town
We need three more days to lynch all of them, they need three nights to kill all of you. So, if we lynch e then the three days happen sooner than the three nights, yeah?
FWIW, I think there's only 2 red scum anyways, the inclusion of EFHW is just an extra precaution.
YOu can try to convince me otherwise if you want. But please drop the AtE for it.FWIW, I think there's only 2 red scum anyways, the inclusion of EFHW is just an extra precaution.
Now you are just trying to upset me.
You would actually place me above EFHW?
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What?
YOu can try to convince me otherwise if you want. But please drop the AtE for it.FWIW, I think there's only 2 red scum anyways, the inclusion of EFHW is just an extra precaution.
Now you are just trying to upset me.
You would actually place me above EFHW?
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What?
My bad, I thought that was you making an argument that mail-mi is scum, not that you are town.YOu can try to convince me otherwise if you want. But please drop the AtE for it.
My attempts to actually approach the issue like a rational human being have received the glorious honor of “nice try”
So you admit you don't have a 3 person scumteam.Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
So, if those three are scum
Swan, yams, and I are not scum
Faust, space, and skip are town
We need three more days to lynch all of them, they need three nights to kill all of you. So, if we lynch e then the three days happen sooner than the three nights, yeah?
Are you talking fastest path to victory?
2 town lynches make a mafia majority to trigger game end
If he doesn’t have a three person scum team, and Swidds votes for space, then what’s the play for him at that point? I mean, it’s a bold move for him at two scum.Errr...
I wonder if he has a double-vote.
If he doesn’t have a three person scum team, and Swidds votes for space, then what’s the play for him at that point? I mean, it’s a bold move for him at two scum.Errr...
I wonder if he has a double-vote.
e + partner + Didds + Swan + mail-mi = 5 (needed to lynch)
So you admit you don't have a 3 person scumteam.Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
So, if those three are scum
Swan, yams, and I are not scum
Faust, space, and skip are town
We need three more days to lynch all of them, they need three nights to kill all of you. So, if we lynch e then the three days happen sooner than the three nights, yeah?
Are you talking fastest path to victory?
2 town lynches make a mafia majority to trigger game end
Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?You are more coldhearted than I anticipated...
Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?You are more coldhearted than I anticipated...
I thought so, but it seems you are considering winning with the bad guys. I thought mail-mi and Swan might go for that, I didn't think you would.Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?You are more coldhearted than I anticipated...
No, I’m not. You know me.
We need to know if any of the baddies are aliensWhy does it matter? Have you lied?
We need to know if any of the baddies are aliens
It matters. I haven’t lied. Are all of the scum humans?
It matters. I haven’t lied. Are all of the scum humans?
Yes
It matters. I haven’t lied. Are all of the scum humans?
Yes
Well, all the mafia are human.
I would also say shraeye was scum, and an alien. Just not mafia
We need to know if any of the baddies are aliensWhy does it matter? Have you lied?
Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?
@faust Why are you voting for Eddie ? Won't he just toggle a no lynch?No no, he'll just confirm that he has the thing and then we're free to lynch someone else. If he's telling the truth.
I need to look over his powers again.
I thought we were doing the whole bit where the protagonists seem to turn against each other and the baddies reveal important parts of their plan :)We need to know if any of the baddies are aliensWhy does it matter? Have you lied?
Space needs to know
Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?
I'm listening. I have no qualms with winning with good guys or bad guys as long as I win.
I thought we were doing the whole bit where the protagonists seem to turn against each other and the baddies reveal important parts of their plan :)We need to know if any of the baddies are aliensWhy does it matter? Have you lied?
Space needs to know
I think that e would more likely be in need of a fakeclaim if he was alien. Maybe a flip will reveal something about their flavor and that will make it easier to decide.I thought we were doing the whole bit where the protagonists seem to turn against each other and the baddies reveal important parts of their plan :)We need to know if any of the baddies are aliensWhy does it matter? Have you lied?
Space needs to know
We were! But I think we have as much as we will get about that. I’m not sure that e isn’t lying about being human. Between EFHW and Eddie, I think EFHW is more likely an alien.
Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?
I'm listening. I have no qualms with winning with good guys or bad guys as long as I win.
We know that you’ve met your wincon. I’m not as sure that swan and I have met ours. I don’t see that scum has any reason to kill any of us, not town any reason to lynch any of us. But I kind of think we’re stronger together.
Maybe you feel confident enough to win with town. Winning with town just feels right. Winning with mafia feels wrong
I get that gut reaction. But we play to our win conditions, and joining the mafia guarantees your survival to the end with a win.
Mai-mi (you’re totally “yams” now!)- what do you think about this?
I'm listening. I have no qualms with winning with good guys or bad guys as long as I win.
We know that you’ve met your wincon. I’m not as sure that swan and I have met ours. I don’t see that scum has any reason to kill any of us, not town any reason to lynch any of us. But I kind of think we’re stronger together.
I think you're right. My current leaning is to side with e; if it's really a 3 man scumteam, with us three that's 6 v. 3 and an obvious win. If we side with town, scum can kill us. Maybe not in their best interest, but they can kill us.
Another night, another nightmare. Every one of us who lived through the invasion has them. The sound of explosions, the silence of being stalked, the machine hum of killer robots. And then the sun comes up, and we are still here. Well, some of us.
Sometimes there are just...bodies. They aren't explained, they aren't commented on. Because no matter what, it's still better than before, when we were under the domination of the Espheni.
--Diary Entry, sunrise during a cold summer, some time after the defeat of the Espheni
WCD was shot and killed during the night. She was 西海岸ディッズ, a Dornian.
cayvie was killed during the night. She was Isabella, a Delusional Humanist. She was Human.
Oh, wait, Didds is alive, Didds an yell you guys that I soft-claimed being president in our private chat.
Don’t know if that matters to anyone.
Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
cayvie is a she.Another night, another nightmare. Every one of us who lived through the invasion has them. The sound of explosions, the silence of being stalked, the machine hum of killer robots. And then the sun comes up, and we are still here. Well, some of us.
Sometimes there are just...bodies. They aren't explained, they aren't commented on. Because no matter what, it's still better than before, when we were under the domination of the Espheni.
--Diary Entry, sunrise during a cold summer, some time after the defeat of the Espheni
WCD was shot and killed during the night. She was 西海岸ディッズ, a Dornian.
cayvie was killed during the night. She was Isabella, a Delusional Humanist. She was Human.
We killed cayvie. Why would the humanists kill their own player? Cayvie for sure didn't shoot himself
No, only if he prevents a lynch.Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
When he resets, we all get one vote that we can't change, right?
@mail-mi: We don't have many reasons for no NK last night, one of them is that you were shot and your Bulletproof blocked it. If e's factions decided to shoot you, don't you think they want you dead eventually? They already knew you were non-town.
Why would a redscum have wanted you dead last night, when they had like 2-3 ICs to shoot?@mail-mi: We don't have many reasons for no NK last night, one of them is that you were shot and your Bulletproof blocked it. If e's factions decided to shoot you, don't you think they want you dead eventually? They already knew you were non-town.
I mean, that is a possibility. Things are different today, though. Why would a redscum team want me dead now? I'm only a survivor at this point.
Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
Oh, wait, Didds is alive, Didds an yell you guys that I soft-claimed being president in our private chat.
Don’t know if that matters to anyone.
I just reread, but I’m not seeing anything presidential. Can you direct me?
faust, e, and I are all voting you.Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
As far as I can tell, we are still on 2 votes, which would put my vote at L-2, not higher than L-2.
I need one more vote.
Why would a redscum have wanted you dead last night, when they had like 2-3 ICs to shoot?@mail-mi: We don't have many reasons for no NK last night, one of them is that you were shot and your Bulletproof blocked it. If e's factions decided to shoot you, don't you think they want you dead eventually? They already knew you were non-town.
I mean, that is a possibility. Things are different today, though. Why would a redscum team want me dead now? I'm only a survivor at this point.
You know we are town and have no hidden motives. I should think that makes us inherently more trustworthy. And we have a lock on the win here.Why would a redscum have wanted you dead last night, when they had like 2-3 ICs to shoot?@mail-mi: We don't have many reasons for no NK last night, one of them is that you were shot and your Bulletproof blocked it. If e's factions decided to shoot you, don't you think they want you dead eventually? They already knew you were non-town.
I mean, that is a possibility. Things are different today, though. Why would a redscum team want me dead now? I'm only a survivor at this point.
I don't know. It could be that I wasn't shot? You have a good point though. Why should I side with you instead of e?
faust, e, and I are all voting you.Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
As far as I can tell, we are still on 2 votes, which would put my vote at L-2, not higher than L-2.
I need one more vote.
It's also still a possibility that there is no red scumteam and e is yellow scum.
Oh, wait, Didds is alive, Didds an yell you guys that I soft-claimed being president in our private chat.
Don’t know if that matters to anyone.
I just reread, but I’m not seeing anything presidential. Can you direct me?
I said that me being invited to the thing could have been because of the flavor of my role, or something.
faust, e, and I are all voting you.Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
As far as I can tell, we are still on 2 votes, which would put my vote at L-2, not higher than L-2.
I need one more vote.
Oh, wait, Didds is alive, Didds an yell you guys that I soft-claimed being president in our private chat.
Don’t know if that matters to anyone.
I just reread, but I’m not seeing anything presidential. Can you direct me?
I said that me being invited to the thing could have been because of the flavor of my role, or something.
Ah, yes, you did say that you suspected you were invited because of flavor. I assumed we were different races of alien/humans
I must be going crazy....faust, e, and I are all voting you.Can you self vote and reset the thing already?
As far as I can tell, we are still on 2 votes, which would put my vote at L-2, not higher than L-2.
I need one more vote.
I just reread the past 4 pages and I didn’t see it.
Where is e’s vote?
KewlWe have to make sure he has a chance to toggle it on.
Vote: Eddie
now for the other power.
Oh, I guess you only Needed one for proof, you just want both to fire.
Well, I have toggled the power on, so it will fire on whoever gets lynched. Knock yourselves out, or I guess, knock me out.
Once someone gets hammered, if I have toggled my power, the vote will get canceled (similar to what just happened) and then the day will continue.
But now everyone only gets 1 vote, and once it’s used, it can’t be undone.
And at the end of the day, the person with the most votes dies, regardless of the “5 vote” requirement.
I think that covers everything. There’s a bunch of other garbage about how the thing only works if I am not voting for the person in question, how I can also use it in the main thread, but then I can’t undo it, how if I use it in my QT but I vote for the person hammered I waste the shot, etc. but that stuff doesn’t really matter here.
Once someone gets hammered, if I have toggled my power, the vote will get canceled (similar to what just happened) and then the day will continue.
But now everyone only gets 1 vote, and once it’s used, it can’t be undone.
And at the end of the day, the person with the most votes dies, regardless of the “5 vote” requirement.
I think that covers everything. There’s a bunch of other garbage about how the thing only works if I am not voting for the person in question, how I can also use it in the main thread, but then I can’t undo it, how if I use it in my QT but I vote for the person hammered I waste the shot, etc. but that stuff doesn’t really matter here.
So, if we get 5 votes on e, he isn’t lynched and we all revote?
It will probably be quicker, because datswan is already voting there.Oh wait. He isn't, because it got reset.
That's true. We could do it on e instead. @faust, does it matter?Yes, because if Eddie is lying, he still has the power.
That's true. We could do it on e instead. @faust, does it matter?Yes, because if Eddie is lying, he still has the power.
vote: eddie
But I still don't think it matters. Even if he has the power, we can lynch him twice tomorrow.
vote: eddie
But I still don't think it matters. Even if he has the power, we can lynch him twice tomorrow.
Agreed. Especially e.vote: eddie
But I still don't think it matters. Even if he has the power, we can lynch him twice tomorrow.
Other than confirming his power, I'm not much interested in lynching Eddie over e or EFHW
Back to vote: e for now
Back to vote: e for now
I see you are volunteering to be Nk'ed again.
Because trust me, follow this route and you will be
Back to vote: e for now
I see you are volunteering to be Nk'ed again.
Because trust me, follow this route and you will be
I mean, I guess if you want to let town win by killing off non-town people. It doesn't make much sense to me, but what do I know? That's the trade...I vote with you or I get killed?
Also, Swan hasn't checked in yet today, so I can't say that anything has been decided about our orientation.
I would request a prod on space, but i feel like faust takes a certain enjoyment from prodding people, so I won't steal his thing. :PIt is actually fairly frustrating for me. I do it because it needs to be done.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself with that one.
Joking aside, it's the clearest and easiest way for you to win
There are also two other people that you aren't allowed to lynch, not naming names, but let's just go ahead and lynch space to be safeYou're clearly lying. There are only two players who could possibly be your teammates. So if you say you have two teammates, you inherently are naming them.
Indeed.Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
So, if those three are scum
Swan, yams, and I are not scum
Faust, space, and skip are town
We need three more days to lynch all of them, they need three nights to kill all of you. So, if we lynch e then the three days happen sooner than the three nights, yeah?
OK - Eddie has used the power. we are waiting for a VC to confirm everything is reset. Then we all get one vote?No, he used the other power. This power just reset the vote count, the other actually prevents a lynch. Supposedly.
wtf is "yams"?
OK - Eddie has used the power. we are waiting for a VC to confirm everything is reset. Then we all get one vote?No, he used the other power. This power just reset the vote count, the other actually prevents a lynch. Supposedly.
wtf is "yams"?
It's me lol
holy crap ya'll.... thats like 7 pages of shit.
OK - Eddie has used the power. we are waiting for a VC to confirm everything is reset. Then we all get one vote?
@Eddie - is that one shot toggle? Can you use it again later? Also, what is your other power. I cannot find the post.
@E! - The only way we are even going to consider this is if all three Mafia speak up. Then, it would be at least a consideration. But the chances of you being last remaining yellow, or like second purple... or just flat out only having 2 red mafia... A sure thing is a sure thing... but this is not a sure thing unless you can prove it.
wtf is "yams"?
It's me lol
I am staring at my keyboard... tryning to do a ven diagram of "Mail-Mi" and "Yams" lol
WCD do you have a cat or something?
Also, yeah your totally yams now hahah
holy crap ya'll.... thats like 7 pages of shit.
OK - Eddie has used the power. we are waiting for a VC to confirm everything is reset. Then we all get one vote?
@Eddie - is that one shot toggle? Can you use it again later? Also, what is your other power. I cannot find the post.
@E! - The only way we are even going to consider this is if all three Mafia speak up. Then, it would be at least a consideration. But the chances of you being last remaining yellow, or like second purple... or just flat out only having 2 red mafia... A sure thing is a sure thing... but this is not a sure thing unless you can prove it.
I know it’s confusing because I basically got the same power twice.
The one I used just resets a lynch back to all players not voting. (This one only works at L-1)
The one I am going to use in a bit cancels a hammer back to 0 voters, and then makes it so all players only have one vote remaining in the day. (This is the one I have to toggle, and once it happens I’m done)
holy crap ya'll.... thats like 7 pages of shit.
OK - Eddie has used the power. we are waiting for a VC to confirm everything is reset. Then we all get one vote?
@Eddie - is that one shot toggle? Can you use it again later? Also, what is your other power. I cannot find the post.
@E! - The only way we are even going to consider this is if all three Mafia speak up. Then, it would be at least a consideration. But the chances of you being last remaining yellow, or like second purple... or just flat out only having 2 red mafia... A sure thing is a sure thing... but this is not a sure thing unless you can prove it.
I know it’s confusing because I basically got the same power twice.
The one I used just resets a lynch back to all players not voting. (This one only works at L-1)
The one I am going to use in a bit cancels a hammer back to 0 voters, and then makes it so all players only have one vote remaining in the day. (This is the one I have to toggle, and once it happens I’m done)
why are you using these powers? Is there no way you can think of that makes them moreuseful later on? Like I mean we already have a skum claim today lol
Also, all 1 shots?
Who is bullying you?
I can actually think of a way that the ability you have not used could prove potentially useful. Stating it would kind of ruin it before it was time to do it... but I mean I saw faust ask for you to verify. So I guess whatever, and I get how after you claim and all there is no point.
I mean - the main thing - and I am just being straight forward here... you using your abilities does not make you town. so if you are town, probably just be super duper sure you can't use that other power in a good way somehow. Because once you use it, I promise you it ain't gonna make you an IC.
Who is bullying you?
I can actually think of a way that the ability you have not used could prove potentially useful. Stating it would kind of ruin it before it was time to do it... but I mean I saw faust ask for you to verify. So I guess whatever, and I get how after you claim and all there is no point.
I mean - the main thing - and I am just being straight forward here... you using your abilities does not make you town. so if you are town, probably just be super duper sure you can't use that other power in a good way somehow. Because once you use it, I promise you it ain't gonna make you an IC.
Lol, nothing that has happened today has lead me to think people see me as an IC. I’m not an idiot.
And yes, there are ways it is useful (in a golden world where people aren’t paying attention), but it is also useful for scum, so I am not allowed to have it. It doesn’t matter what I think. Or what I am super duper sure of.
The people voting for me to die are the “bullies” by the way. Because I am going to use my powers for self preservation. Because, again, it ain’t my choice to use them here. In my world, I want to keep it to have as many options as possible.
Also, are we just done with the full claims? Didn’t Faust have something extra to add?
I am not seeing Faust changing his mind.
But, hey, I can lynch e, lessgo.
Hi, my name is EFHW and I am evil. [pause for Eddie's dance]
My partners and I invite the Dornians to join us in mutually assured victory or die an ignoble death.
The only way you can win is to vote with us. We didn't kill Didds. Even though we can't prove that yet, you still have no other choice but to join us in order to fulfill your wincon. If you don't join us, we will all lose together.
We have the power to do two kills in one night under certain specific circumstances. But we don't need that to win. We just need majority votes.
Really, why not win if you can?
vote: Space
I am the third partner.
Everything that e and EFHW have said is true. Didds and Swan, with you two on our sides, we have the numbers to take over this town. Either we win together, or my partners and I will spend our last two nights killing you.
We do not shoot and kill. Cayvie claimed to do that, and the night that WCD died cayvie died as well. We killed cayvie and LaLight.
Join us.
vote: space
I am not seeing Faust changing his mind.
But, hey, I can lynch e, lessgo.
I didn't see that either....
request faust to request prod on space
request faust to request prod on space
I'm here!! Work exploded and I barely got a break today, so I've just had 30 minutes to get up to date on the past 24+ hours, and now I'm still a bit confused :-P
@WCD: I know some players may have immunity to the thing you gave me, but I don't know who. I assume you're paying a lot of attention to aliens vs humans because it only works on one or the other?
request faust to request prod on space
I'm here!! Work exploded and I barely got a break today, so I've just had 30 minutes to get up to date on the past 24+ hours, and now I'm still a bit confused :-P
WCD and I are survivors
skum team claimed all 3 members.
the world is on fire.
GO! (lol)
*Throws up hands*
So this game started with 5 town out of 14?? I don't even care if we lose at this point honestly. This game was unfair. Didds and swan, do what you want. They won't actually shoot you obviously, but whatever. Like, a third of town was actually town!!
vote: efhw
for eddie
I can't even
request faust to request prod on space
I'm here!! Work exploded and I barely got a break today, so I've just had 30 minutes to get up to date on the past 24+ hours, and now I'm still a bit confused :-P
WCD and I are survivors
skum team claimed all 3 members.
the world is on fire.
GO! (lol)
Yeah, I've had yams coloured red on my who's-a-scum VC lists for like an IRL week already, and the calls on EFHW were beginning to gather a little weight. I thought that e was nicely under the radar till his claim, though.
PPE: I think I can make an educated guess, based on a thing. I just wanted to confirm.
*Throws up hands*
So this game started with 5 town out of 14?? I don't even care if we lose at this point honestly. This game was unfair. Didds and swan, do what you want. They won't actually shoot you obviously, but whatever. Like, a third of town was actually town!!
vote: efhw
for eddie
I can't even
Do we need to be really careful about throwing votes around now in case of shenanigans with Eddie's power?
*Throws up hands*
So this game started with 5 town out of 14?? I don't even care if we lose at this point honestly. This game was unfair. Didds and swan, do what you want. They won't actually shoot you obviously, but whatever. Like, a third of town was actually town!!
vote: efhw
for eddie
I can't even
Do we need to be really careful about throwing votes around now in case of shenanigans with Eddie's power?
we got 3 claimed skum homie - I think Eddie prob town at this point.
request faust to request prod on space
I'm here!! Work exploded and I barely got a break today, so I've just had 30 minutes to get up to date on the past 24+ hours, and now I'm still a bit confused :-P
WCD and I are survivors
skum team claimed all 3 members.
the world is on fire.
GO! (lol)
Yeah, I've had yams coloured red on my who's-a-scum VC lists for like an IRL week already, and the calls on EFHW were beginning to gather a little weight. I thought that e was nicely under the radar till his claim, though.
PPE: I think I can make an educated guess, based on a thing. I just wanted to confirm.
fantastic - just yes or no obv.
Assuming you shoot one of these three, is it clear to you rn which one is the best choice?
*Throws up hands*
So this game started with 5 town out of 14?? I don't even care if we lose at this point honestly. This game was unfair. Didds and swan, do what you want. They won't actually shoot you obviously, but whatever. Like, a third of town was actually town!!
vote: efhw
for eddie
I can't even
Do we need to be really careful about throwing votes around now in case of shenanigans with Eddie's power?
we got 3 claimed skum homie - I think Eddie prob town at this point.
I'm more just concerned about the possible only-one-vote rule spreading votes thin to the point where I'm the lynch that scum all agrees on :-P
request faust to request prod on space
I'm here!! Work exploded and I barely got a break today, so I've just had 30 minutes to get up to date on the past 24+ hours, and now I'm still a bit confused :-P
WCD and I are survivors
skum team claimed all 3 members.
the world is on fire.
GO! (lol)
Yeah, I've had yams coloured red on my who's-a-scum VC lists for like an IRL week already, and the calls on EFHW were beginning to gather a little weight. I thought that e was nicely under the radar till his claim, though.
PPE: I think I can make an educated guess, based on a thing. I just wanted to confirm.
fantastic - just yes or no obv.
Assuming you shoot one of these three, is it clear to you rn which one is the best choice?
suddenly intent
request faust to request prod on space
I'm here!! Work exploded and I barely got a break today, so I've just had 30 minutes to get up to date on the past 24+ hours, and now I'm still a bit confused :-P
WCD and I are survivors
skum team claimed all 3 members.
the world is on fire.
GO! (lol)
Yeah, I've had yams coloured red on my who's-a-scum VC lists for like an IRL week already, and the calls on EFHW were beginning to gather a little weight. I thought that e was nicely under the radar till his claim, though.
PPE: I think I can make an educated guess, based on a thing. I just wanted to confirm.
fantastic - just yes or no obv.
Assuming you shoot one of these three, is it clear to you rn which one is the best choice?
Ah, fantastic, you're here, Didds! Any last comments before I trigger the thing you gave me?I, for one, am pro-all triggering of things. "Fire at will" is my motto.
I figure with patchy access and the volume of stuff that may be going on between now and the next time I'm free, I should do it before I sleep...Yes
Ah, fantastic, you're here, Didds! Any last comments before I trigger the thing you gave me?
Ah, fantastic, you're here, Didds! Any last comments before I trigger the thing you gave me?
It’s actually from Swan, but that doesn’t matter. It is only useful for aliens. Are scum aliens? I don’t know...
Ah, fantastic, you're here, Didds! Any last comments before I trigger the thing you gave me?
We still don’t have answers to these questions, red team
1) did you plan this pre claim?
2) do you have day chat?
3) have you all been aware of your teammates from the beginning of the game?
4) who did you target last night
also - team skum - while we gotta weigh win cons, please note you threats fall on deaf ears. You would never kill one of us instead of town. like - you off 2 town at night and bring this up again tomorrow even with one of you lynched... we kind of have to agree with you at that point. 6 alive. 2 skum. 2 survivors. 2 Town. you can kill. town can't. why in the hell is that not the route that you took?
also - team skum - while we gotta weigh win cons, please note you threats fall on deaf ears. You would never kill one of us instead of town. like - you off 2 town at night and bring this up again tomorrow even with one of you lynched... we kind of have to agree with you at that point. 6 alive. 2 skum. 2 survivors. 2 Town. you can kill. town can't. why in the hell is that not the route that you took?
Why wait? Who do you think we were going to be able to mislynch? The double kill is only under certain circumstances, so we can't count on it.
I don't know why you think we wouldn't kill you. We're evil, remember?
the thing is you had to know that our concern would be that "we win with you" as in the person that killed cayvie also is dead.
And that is, tbf, our concern.
But like why not wait for tomorrow?
You could of let E go, got 2 kills on town, we see the flavor... and then there is literally no reason for us to not believe you.
This seems just... off.
the thing is you had to know that our concern would be that "we win with you" as in the person that killed cayvie also is dead.
And that is, tbf, our concern.
But like why not wait for tomorrow?
You could of let E go, got 2 kills on town, we see the flavor... and then there is literally no reason for us to not believe you.
This seems just... off.
I mean if you have two kills, that is strictly not accurate. but there is little point in arguing more than what I have.
No guarantee on the two kills, remember? And you don't have to believe anything except that we will kill you. If you side with town, killing you is as good as killing town.
the thing is you had to know that our concern would be that "we win with you" as in the person that killed cayvie also is dead.
And that is, tbf, our concern.
But like why not wait for tomorrow?
You could of let E go, got 2 kills on town, we see the flavor... and then there is literally no reason for us to not believe you.
This seems just... off.
So, here’s the thing. We don’t have any reason to believe that you aren’t the shooters. There is no evidence that cayvie shoots and kills. For all we know, that was Shraeye who killed (he had the purple SK color.) while you all are shooting and killing.
There hasn’t been a kill after Shraeye died.
This is critical to us winning and I don’t see how we make any kind of deal without confirmation of that. But I know this presents an issue. The only way to prove it is to NK.
I see the math being the same tomorrow as it is now. We lynch red, you NK green. Now we know what your kill look like and we can talk about winning.
So, here’s the thing. We don’t have any reason to believe that you aren’t the shooters. There is no evidence that cayvie shoots and kills. For all we know, that was Shraeye who killed (he had the purple SK color.) while you all are shooting and killing.
There hasn’t been a kill after Shraeye died.
This is critical to us winning and I don’t see how we make any kind of deal without confirmation of that. But I know this presents an issue. The only way to prove it is to NK.
I see the math being the same tomorrow as it is now. We lynch red, you NK green. Now we know what your kill look like and we can talk about winning.
We do have evidence. Cayvie knew she shot MiX on the first night. He was shot and killed. We killed LaLight. He was not shot and killed.
So, here’s the thing. We don’t have any reason to believe that you aren’t the shooters. There is no evidence that cayvie shoots and kills. For all we know, that was Shraeye who killed (he had the purple SK color.) while you all are shooting and killing.
There hasn’t been a kill after Shraeye died.
This is critical to us winning and I don’t see how we make any kind of deal without confirmation of that. But I know this presents an issue. The only way to prove it is to NK.
I see the math being the same tomorrow as it is now. We lynch red, you NK green. Now we know what your kill look like and we can talk about winning.
We do have evidence. Cayvie knew she shot MiX on the first night. He was shot and killed. We killed LaLight. He was not shot and killed.
I’m assuming cayvie was lying. Did y’all redirect her? I’m on my phone so I do t have it front of me, but I remember it all being wonky and suspicious
Because this game is really unpredictable. If we join with you today and lynch town, we can weather losing the nk, even a resurrection, without losing.the thing is you had to know that our concern would be that "we win with you" as in the person that killed cayvie also is dead.
And that is, tbf, our concern.
But like why not wait for tomorrow?
You could of let E go, got 2 kills on town, we see the flavor... and then there is literally no reason for us to not believe you.
This seems just... off.
Ha! We say the same thing with different words
You’re holding us hostage and demanding that we trust you.
But if you killed me, then we’re signing up to lose.
So, here is the question. Why the rush? Why not let us see a NK and then we strike a deal. The rush makes it feel like this is the only time you can make the deal because we will discover you are shooters.
Didds, did cayvie know you were an alien? Because that would give her motive to shoot you. There wasn't reason for us to shoot you. We were hoping to lynch you.
We can kill you tonight and then the survivor can see the flip. Do you want to do that?
That wasn't a real offer. The plan doesn't work if we do that and you lynch one of us, so we'll just go on to kill you the next night, too.Didds, did cayvie know you were an alien? Because that would give her motive to shoot you. There wasn't reason for us to shoot you. We were hoping to lynch you.
We can kill you tonight and then the survivor can see the flip. Do you want to do that?
Swan, what do you think about this?
That wasn't a real offer. The plan doesn't work if we do that and you lynch one of us, so we'll just go on to kill you the next night, too.Didds, did cayvie know you were an alien? Because that would give her motive to shoot you. There wasn't reason for us to shoot you. We were hoping to lynch you.
We can kill you tonight and then the survivor can see the flip. Do you want to do that?
Swan, what do you think about this?
Skip... you have any more gifts to give?I don't know my exact gift situation.
Faust, Eddie, Space...what do you think of this?
Is there a scenario where town can win and a Dornian is alive?
Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
and more importantly, why would you need two nights? I thought you would get two kills?
Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
heres the thing man. if we side with you. lynch space. that is 3 town 3 skum, and 2 of us.
you could just kill us anyways and win.
Yeah, we're not THAT scummy .Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
heres the thing man. if we side with you. lynch space. that is 3 town 3 skum, and 2 of us.
you could just kill us anyways and win.
Why would we kill you at that point? Then we kill town, and you win with us.
Yeah, we're not THAT scummy .Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
heres the thing man. if we side with you. lynch space. that is 3 town 3 skum, and 2 of us.
you could just kill us anyways and win.
Why would we kill you at that point? Then we kill town, and you win with us.
Faust, Eddie, Space...what do you think of this?I still have skip's gift and an unclaimed power. That's all I can say here to convince you.
Where is eddie in the world? I feel like he'll get here before didds. Space, otoh, is almost never here at all.Not sure where he is, but if we're going off yesterday then he'll be around in about 2 hours.
Of course we only get to win if you aren’t the ones who killed me
We didn't kill you. You don't vote with us, we spend the next two nights killing you and Swan. It's blackmail, but we're scummy scum.
and more importantly, why would you need two nights? I thought you would get two kills?
Only if certain conditions are met. We've said this, like, 4 times now.
faust. are you here?I'm here.
faust. are you here?I'm here.
Didds - just pretend you're not around. If you didn't explicitly decide to side wit town, then they have no reason to exact revenge.Not so
Didds - just pretend you're not around. If you didn't explicitly decide to side wit town, then they have no reason to exact revenge.Not so
ok... do you have the ability to help me/wcd in any way?I believe so, but it won't be as useful if I reveal it.
faust - I am not trying to angle here. I wanna win. The likelihood that we win with either faction is about equal except IDK if they are full of it or not. Can you just work with me here. I would much rather side with people I am essentially certain are telling the truth than the other way around.
Case study: shraeyeI didn't lie about anything with shraeye.
Case study: shraeye
Case study: shraeyeI didn't lie about anything with shraeye.
If I told you that if I die you die as well, how useful is it?It's useful. But I cannot promise that it will save you.
Case study: shraeye
? he was right about shraeye
We as mafia have zero reason to lie. Like, we claimed mafia. There is nothing left that we have to hide.What are the condition on your nightkill?
AMA
It wasn't.Case study: shraeye
? he was right about shraeye
Yes, he was right. Which furthered his town win con
The blackmail bit was the lie
Honestly this is silly, ash should call this game as a tie with the Dornians winning.
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I'm having discussions with faust. I want to make it clear that he told me "say I'm green or you will die".
This goes against my Survivor wincon. So I did as told.
I don't know that. Like it's a difficult decision, which I get, and mods would react to it differently. Even if noone is lying, noone knows that noone is lying, and from that angle it makes sense to play it out.Honestly this is silly, ash should call this game as a tie with the Dornians winning.
you played the same game with me when I did the shit as survivor. you are aware that if someone wasn't lying right now ash would of already called it. save the ate.
We as mafia have zero reason to lie. Like, we claimed mafia. There is nothing left that we have to hide.What are the condition on your nightkill?
AMA
I don't know that. Like it's a difficult decision, which I get, and mods would react to it differently. Even if noone is lying, noone knows that noone is lying, and from that angle it makes sense to play it out.Honestly this is silly, ash should call this game as a tie with the Dornians winning.
you played the same game with me when I did the shit as survivor. you are aware that if someone wasn't lying right now ash would of already called it. save the ate.
E! - Re confirm to me that 0% of your faction is Alien
E! - Re confirm to me that 0% of your faction is Alien
We are zero aliens
E! - Re confirm to me that 0% of your faction is Alien
We are zero aliens
lie
Not met.We as mafia have zero reason to lie. Like, we claimed mafia. There is nothing left that we have to hide.What are the condition on your nightkill?
AMA
Yes, but you don't know whether each other is lying.I don't know that. Like it's a difficult decision, which I get, and mods would react to it differently. Even if noone is lying, noone knows that noone is lying, and from that angle it makes sense to play it out.Honestly this is silly, ash should call this game as a tie with the Dornians winning.
you played the same game with me when I did the shit as survivor. you are aware that if someone wasn't lying right now ash would of already called it. save the ate.
not true. skum would know if skum was lying and WCD/me would know if we are lying.
I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
I randomized all non-mafia actions N1. Did you get a alien-cop result that night?
I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
sameI would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
I am Jimmy Numbers
mail-mi is Boss
EFHW is Tiny
we were given fake names of John Pope and Ben Mason
We are all human
I randomized all non-mafia actions N1. Did you get a alien-cop result that night?
see this is why I do not trust you. you said you randomized ALL actions. not all NON MAFIA actions.
sameI would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
I am Jimmy Numbers
mail-mi is Boss
EFHW is Tiny
we were given fake names of John Pope and Ben Mason
We are all human
why did you fuck up your claim?
I randomized all non-mafia actions N1. Did you get a alien-cop result that night?
see this is why I do not trust you. you said you randomized ALL actions. not all NON MAFIA actions.
I did?
If you're telling the truth here, then you are in no hurry. Likely Didds will return before Space. But I have to take the route that is safest for my faction.I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
me and didds are one on this I promise you. If she comes on and tells me otherwise and to go E I will support E. I am not trying to divert a lynch.
If you're telling the truth here, then you are in no hurry. Likely Didds will return before Space. But I have to take the route that is safest for my faction.I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
me and didds are one on this I promise you. If she comes on and tells me otherwise and to go E I will support E. I am not trying to divert a lynch.
If you're telling the truth here, then you are in no hurry. Likely Didds will return before Space. But I have to take the route that is safest for my faction.I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
me and didds are one on this I promise you. If she comes on and tells me otherwise and to go E I will support E. I am not trying to divert a lynch.
you see me voting for anyone right now champ?
1) did you plan this pre claim?
2) do you have day chat?
3) have you all been aware of your teammates from the beginning of the game?
Didds will come back and say the same as I am, I am just trying to clarify that you will lynch Skum B instead of Skum A if needed.And I will happily do that once Didds returns, if e isn't lynched by that point.
I am Jimmy Numbers
mail-mi is Boss
EFHW is Tiny
we were given fake names of John Pope and Ben Mason
We are all human
I did. I misspoke, sorry. It was nonmafia actions.I randomized all non-mafia actions N1. Did you get a alien-cop result that night?
see this is why I do not trust you. you said you randomized ALL actions. not all NON MAFIA actions.
I did?
We will lynch any scum thou wanteth to lynch, we're just not moving yet, is all.If you're telling the truth here, then you are in no hurry. Likely Didds will return before Space. But I have to take the route that is safest for my faction.I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
me and didds are one on this I promise you. If she comes on and tells me otherwise and to go E I will support E. I am not trying to divert a lynch.
you see me voting for anyone right now champ?
Didds will come back and say the same as I am, I am just trying to clarify that you will lynch Skum B instead of Skum A if needed.
So, here’s the thing. We don’t have any reason to believe that you aren’t the shooters. There is no evidence that cayvie shoots and kills. For all we know, that was Shraeye who killed (he had the purple SK color.) while you all are shooting and killing.
There hasn’t been a kill after Shraeye died.
This is critical to us winning and I don’t see how we make any kind of deal without confirmation of that. But I know this presents an issue. The only way to prove it is to NK.
I see the math being the same tomorrow as it is now. We lynch red, you NK green. Now we know what your kill look like and we can talk about winning.
We do have evidence. Cayvie knew she shot MiX on the first night. He was shot and killed. We killed LaLight. He was not shot and killed.
I’m assuming cayvie was lying. Did y’all redirect her? I’m on my phone so I do t have it front of me, but I remember it all being wonky and suspicious
Yes, we redirected everyone randomly.
Didds will come back and say the same as I am, I am just trying to clarify that you will lynch Skum B instead of Skum A if needed.And I will happily do that once Didds returns, if e isn't lynched by that point.
I am Jimmy Numbers
mail-mi is Boss
EFHW is Tiny
we were given fake names of John Pope and Ben Mason
We are all human
why not fake claim pope?
That is up to Space and Eddie. Who I hope will take a certain scum lynch if it presents itself.Didds will come back and say the same as I am, I am just trying to clarify that you will lynch Skum B instead of Skum A if needed.And I will happily do that once Didds returns, if e isn't lynched by that point.
I would suggest you remove the option from the table until didds returns then. Sincerely.
We will lynch any scum thou wanteth to lynch, we're just not moving yet, is all.If you're telling the truth here, then you are in no hurry. Likely Didds will return before Space. But I have to take the route that is safest for my faction.I would like to lynch MailMi instead of E.That's fine. But I won't be switching as long as there is a chance to lynch e with Didds' support.
you good with that?
me and didds are one on this I promise you. If she comes on and tells me otherwise and to go E I will support E. I am not trying to divert a lynch.
you see me voting for anyone right now champ?
Didds will come back and say the same as I am, I am just trying to clarify that you will lynch Skum B instead of Skum A if needed.
Why do you want to lynch mail-mi over e anyways?
Why do you want to lynch mail-mi over e anyways?
It doesn't fit with what you claimed, so I assume you are lying, so I cannot trust you.Why do you want to lynch mail-mi over e anyways?
because we control the 2 votes that matter.
Why do you want to lynch mail-mi over e anyways?
why the hell do you care?
There's no way they're all human. What would be the point of the shot you gave space? All they can do with it is shoot you? Makes no sense.
There's no way they're all human. What would be the point of the shot you gave space? All they can do with it is shoot you? Makes no sense.How do you know what the gift does?
wesure. You think he's more likely human than the others are?
are going
to lynch
mail mi
make sense?
Please remain civil.There's no way they're all human. What would be the point of the shot you gave space? All they can do with it is shoot you? Makes no sense.
GOD had to walk you guys the shit into it but skip get mv fucking p
Let's see how it goes. If you want to lynch him that badly, I assume you'll still want the same thing tomorrow :)
Please remain civil.There's no way they're all human. What would be the point of the shot you gave space? All they can do with it is shoot you? Makes no sense.
GOD had to walk you guys the shit into it but skip get mv fucking p
Let's see how it goes. If you want to lynch him that badly, I assume you'll still want the same thing tomorrow :)
let me be more clear. we will lynch MailMi then EFHW in that order. Or we will risk it with skum.
wesure. You think he's more likely human than the others are?
are going
to lynch
mail mi
make sense?
Let's see how it goes. If you want to lynch him that badly, I assume you'll still want the same thing tomorrow :)
let me be more clear. we will lynch MailMi then EFHW in that order. Or we will risk it with skum.
The only risk is lynching mail-mi then EFHW
lynching town with us is a guarentee.
actually, look at the numbers
4 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You lynch town with us, it will still be:
2 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You can still go back on your town-lynching plan and lynch mafia.
Deal. I'll change my vote when I wake up. It's past 3 in the morning for me so I'm really tired. I might even pass out in the middle of making thiLet's see how it goes. If you want to lynch him that badly, I assume you'll still want the same thing tomorrow :)
let me be more clear. we will lynch MailMi then EFHW in that order. Or we will risk it with skum.
actually, look at the numbers
4 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You lynch town with us, it will still be:
2 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You can still go back on your town-lynching plan and lynch mafia.
right.... but we need who killed us to be dead. so in a world where all the killers are dead when the game ends... we are GTD victory.
actually, look at the numbers
4 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You lynch town with us, it will still be:
2 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You can still go back on your town-lynching plan and lynch mafia.
right.... but we need who killed us to be dead. so in a world where all the killers are dead when the game ends... we are GTD victory.
this way you get to see our kill-flavor guarenteed. No one else is killing tonight.
It will prove we simply "kill" not "shoot and kill"
But you would be dead, too. No victory.actually, look at the numbers
4 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You lynch town with us, it will still be:
2 town
3 mafia
2 Dorians
You can still go back on your town-lynching plan and lynch mafia.
right.... but we need who killed us to be dead. so in a world where all the killers are dead when the game ends... we are GTD victory.
Will you have Didds unvote when she comes back, so e isn't quichlynched while we are still talking?
Will you have Didds unvote when she comes back, so e isn't quichlynched while we are still talking?
efoo... I just work here. didds is the boss. but like I said, I think we will be same page on this.
So, can't vote for a no Lynch?
That's interesting.
Vote Count 4.8:
2.7 (3): WCD, skip, faust, Space
Space (2): EFHW, mail-mi
Not Voting (4): 2.7, DatSwan, uncleeurope
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends on May 10 at 10:00 p.m. forum time.
I trust that you switched your power off, Eddie? Otherwise this will be awkward...
Well, Vote: e just to be on the safe side.
What they all said. You can either win with town or scum. Bonus points, if you choose scum the game is over tomorrow morning, so you at least win faster with us.
Up to y'all to decide who played a better game
Eddie, Skip...do you all have any protections we can use?
Otherwise we’ll have to lynch town. A specific Dornian has to be alive so we won’t be able to risk the NK. :/
Eddie, Skip...do you all have any protections we can use?
Otherwise we’ll have to lynch town. A specific Dornian has to be alive so we won’t be able to risk the NK. :/
I literally have a Doc shot from Skip.
I didn’t want to mention it earlier because I don’t think I can target myself with it, and I had to bank on not getting targetted.
Hey also just out of shear utter curiosity.
Who were you all pushing a space lynch if you had space set up to die already?
Hey also just out of shear utter curiosity.We didn't know! We thought the nk just failed for some reason.
Who were you all pushing a space lynch if you had space set up to die already?
When did you get it?Eddie, Skip...do you all have any protections we can use?
Otherwise we’ll have to lynch town. A specific Dornian has to be alive so we won’t be able to risk the NK. :/
I literally have a Doc shot from Skip.
I didn’t want to mention it earlier because I don’t think I can target myself with it, and I had to bank on not getting targetted.
Eddie, Skip...do you all have any protections we can use?Do you have daychat?
Otherwise we’ll have to lynch town. A specific Dornian has to be alive so we won’t be able to risk the NK. :/
When did you get it?Eddie, Skip...do you all have any protections we can use?
Otherwise we’ll have to lynch town. A specific Dornian has to be alive so we won’t be able to risk the NK. :/
I literally have a Doc shot from Skip.
I didn’t want to mention it earlier because I don’t think I can target myself with it, and I had to bank on not getting targetted.
This post from e makes it sound like bad guys will have to kill one of y'all in addition to me+eddie to gain majority (3 alive 2 to lynch) and achieve their wincon. Food for thought.So you admit you don't have a 3 person scumteam.Cause here's the thing: town definitely has a path to victory here, just lynch e, Eddie, EFHW. e would have you believe that scum has a path to victory, but there is no evidence.
So, if those three are scum
Swan, yams, and I are not scum
Faust, space, and skip are town
We need three more days to lynch all of them, they need three nights to kill all of you. So, if we lynch e then the three days happen sooner than the three nights, yeah?
Are you talking fastest path to victory?
2 town lynches make a mafia majority to trigger game end
There are 9 people alive, takes 5 to Lynch
After two town lynches + two NKs....
5 alive, 3 to Lynch.
If there were 2 of us we would need 3 lynches. Because you don't add 3rd parties in the count for "majority"
Do you have daychat?
Do you have daychat?
Yeah. Why?
Do you have daychat?
Yeah. Why?
No particular reason. Context.
Heh, K.
We have to do it the hard way.
Well, Vote: EFHW
So either Eddie is lynched, or he activated his power and we're gonna have to do it again.
So either Eddie is lynched, or he activated his power and we're gonna have to do it again.
And wait, there’s more!
Vote: EFHW
If you guys don’t follow whatever I vote for now, I get to NK a dissenter.
It’s listen to the president time.
Because ima be shooting a Doorknobthian.
(And before you get any ideas, yes, I still get to use it if I am killed through my ability.)
Any questions?
Remember, your votes are final.
And I still have a Doc shot.
So either Eddie is lynched, or he activated his power and we're gonna have to do it again.
And wait, there’s more!
Vote: EFHW
If you guys don’t follow whatever I vote for now, I get to NK a dissenter.
It’s listen to the president time.
Because ima be shooting a Doorknobthian.
(And before you get any ideas, yes, I still get to use it if I am killed through my ability.)
Any questions?
Remember, your votes are final.
And I still have a Doc shot.
Does Ash reset the votes from before?
Yeah, I shoot someone who isn’t on the wagon I am on (EFHW) at day end if someone other than EFHW is lynched.
Yeah, I shoot someone who isn’t on the wagon I am on (EFHW) at day end if someone other than EFHW is lynched.
Seems like you can't shoot me if EFHW is lynched.
Yeah, I shoot someone who isn’t on the wagon I am on (EFHW) at day end if someone other than EFHW is lynched.
Seems like you can't shoot me if EFHW is lynched.
Sigh... True.
I can shoot EFHW if you are lynched, though! But if the Doorknobthians want to stop me from killing, then EFHW has to die here.
you get that out of spite of being tricked if you cannot actually kill and we agreed to this we would just team with skum again tomorrow and let them win right?
Yeah, I shoot someone who isn’t on the wagon I am on (EFHW) at day end if someone other than EFHW is lynched.
Seems like you can't shoot me if EFHW is lynched.
Sigh... True.
I can shoot EFHW if you are lynched, though! But if the Doorknobthians want to stop me from killing, then EFHW has to die here.
Yeah, I shoot someone who isn’t on the wagon I am on (EFHW) at day end if someone other than EFHW is lynched.
Seems like you can't shoot me if EFHW is lynched.
Sigh... True.
I can shoot EFHW if you are lynched, though! But if the Doorknobthians want to stop me from killing, then EFHW has to die here.
The doorknobthians is awesome. We definitely want to keep you from killing us. We also want to keep yams from killing us.
I’m leaning toward waiting until Ash wakes up to see the reset and voting with you, but Swan is going to need some convincing. Can you convince him?
you get that out of spite of being tricked if you cannot actually kill and we agreed to this we would just team with skum again tomorrow and let them win right?
Yeah, what j see happening here is lunch EFHW, I kill a townie tonight, and then we have an absolute kingmaker situation tomorrow. Which gives me a 50% chance of winning.
Or we lynch Eddie, he kills one of you (hopefully not the right one) and you win with us without having to play kingmaker. But that gives y'all only a 50% chance of winning.
MM - what did you get from skip?
MM - what did you get from skip?
A 1-shot doctor.
you get that out of spite of being tricked if you cannot actually kill and we agreed to this we would just team with skum again tomorrow and let them win right?
Yeah, what j see happening here is lunch EFHW, I kill a townie tonight, and then we have an absolute kingmaker situation tomorrow. Which gives me a 50% chance of winning.
Or we lynch Eddie, he kills one of you (hopefully not the right one) and you win with us without having to play kingmaker. But that gives y'all only a 50% chance of winning.
You can frame it in any way that makes you feel better, but what do you think you guys have been forcing them to do this entire time?
I was hoping for them to just side with us so I could avoid all this garbage.
eddie - what happens if there is no lynch after your power is on?
eddie - what happens if there is no lynch after your power is on?
If I didn't vote for No-Lynch, then I kill someone who didn't vote with me.
I don't know what you mean, so I will cover everything I know related to no lynch.
If everyone votes No-Lynch, then a No-Lynch happens (and I get to kill someone not voting for EFHW)
At the end of the deadline, whatever has the most votes will just die (or nobody will die is No-Lynch has the most votes). And if the thing with the most votes is anything other than EFHW, I will kill someone not voting for EFHW.
I don't know what you mean, so I will cover everything I know related to no lynch.
If everyone votes No-Lynch, then a No-Lynch happens (and I get to kill someone not voting for EFHW)
At the end of the deadline, whatever has the most votes will just die (or nobody will die is No-Lynch has the most votes). And if the thing with the most votes is anything other than EFHW, I will kill someone not voting for EFHW.
What happens in the case of a tie?
I don't know what you mean, so I will cover everything I know related to no lynch.
If everyone votes No-Lynch, then a No-Lynch happens (and I get to kill someone not voting for EFHW)
At the end of the deadline, whatever has the most votes will just die (or nobody will die is No-Lynch has the most votes). And if the thing with the most votes is anything other than EFHW, I will kill someone not voting for EFHW.
What happens in the case of a tie?
Why, the President tiebreaks, of course.
I don't know what you mean, so I will cover everything I know related to no lynch.
If everyone votes No-Lynch, then a No-Lynch happens (and I get to kill someone not voting for EFHW)
At the end of the deadline, whatever has the most votes will just die (or nobody will die is No-Lynch has the most votes). And if the thing with the most votes is anything other than EFHW, I will kill someone not voting for EFHW.
What happens in the case of a tie?
Why, the President tiebreaks, of course.
I don't know what you mean, so I will cover everything I know related to no lynch.
If everyone votes No-Lynch, then a No-Lynch happens (and I get to kill someone not voting for EFHW)
At the end of the deadline, whatever has the most votes will just die (or nobody will die is No-Lynch has the most votes). And if the thing with the most votes is anything other than EFHW, I will kill someone not voting for EFHW.
What happens in the case of a tie?
Why, the President tiebreaks, of course.
MM - do you believe this?
I don't know what you mean, so I will cover everything I know related to no lynch.
If everyone votes No-Lynch, then a No-Lynch happens (and I get to kill someone not voting for EFHW)
At the end of the deadline, whatever has the most votes will just die (or nobody will die is No-Lynch has the most votes). And if the thing with the most votes is anything other than EFHW, I will kill someone not voting for EFHW.
What happens in the case of a tie?
Why, the President tiebreaks, of course.
So if it’s 3-3, you decide who gets lynched? Or your vote is just worth more And who you’re voting for gets lynched?
It's true that I cannot target the same person twice in a game. But I don't know anything about the degrees I give out. I might have given the same degree twice to two different players. Heck, for all I know, all my degrees might do the same thing, just with different flavor names. I have no idea how it works.MM - what did you get from skip?
A 1-shot doctor.
skip from what I remember about your role you said once and no re targeting... right?
Vote Count 5.3:
uncleeurope (4): EFHW, WCD, mail-mi, DatSwan
EFHW (2): uncle, skip
Not Voting (0):
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 5 ends on May 17 at 9:00 p.m.
Let's hold off on complicating things a smig until we get an answer from eddie as to what exactly is going on. Because... bro... this isn't how you said it would go down.
Eddie, if we lynch you, you still die, right? After your vengekill. It seems implausible that you would be able to use the doc power if you are lynched.
So, lynch me, mail mi kills Eddie, who probably can't doctor himself. Tomorrow there are 2 Dornians, 1 scum and 1 town. Kingmaker. Dornians win for sure, scum 50:50 depending on their choice.
or
Lynch Eddie, he kills someone nontown (he says he'll kill a Dornian because he's hoping that will make them want to lynch me) and scum kills town. Both town are dead then. Scum wins with 2:2. Dornians are 50:50 depending on if the right one survives.
Assuming this is all true, there are a couple scum-Dornian deals I can think of that would be mutually beneficial, but would require large amounts of trust.
No matter how many years passed, history tended to repeat itself. I recall once, after a justice decision was made, someone attempting to revive old governmental systems that had proven ineffective even before the invasion.
There was a flyer distributed that day...The people have spoken! uncleeurope has been lynched!
Let us ensure the will of the people is heeded! Let us call a referendum! You may recall that, before the invasion, a referendum was a direct and universal vote in which the entire electorate was invited to vote on a particular proposal and could result in the adoption of a new policy or specific law. Let us give power back to the people! Vote now!
Do we remain with this decision? Leave it behind as a mistake? This may be the most important decision of your life! What will you do? Uphold or overturn?
I don't remember how it turned out. It couldn't have gone well.
--Dairy entry, a cold summer day after the invasion
Each member of the electorate (all players) have one vote, and only one vote. Once cast, it may not be undone. Cast your votes whenever you want; when a majority is reached, the decision will be passed.
Your ballot contains the following options: "remain with the lynch" or "leave him alive"
To vote, post remain or leave (in bold) now!
EBWOP.Eddie, if we lynch you, you still die, right? After your vengekill. It seems implausible that you would be able to use the doc power if you are lynched.
So, lynch me, mail mi kills Eddie, who probably can't doctor himself. Tomorrow there are 2 Dornians, 1 scum and 1 town. Kingmaker. Dornians win for sure, scum 50:50 depending on their choice.
or
Lynch Eddie, he kills someone nontown (he says he'll kill a Dornian because he's hoping that will make them want to lynch me) and scum kills town. Both town are dead then. Scum wins with2:22:1. Dornians are 50:50 depending on if the right one survives.
The key there is I can guarantee that the Doorknobthians will win.
For example, we could lynch me and not nk either Dornian in exchange for being chosen in kingmaker.
Maybe there's only one deal. We can't do much to help them in the lynch Eddie scenario.
PPE Sure, that's fine. Just getting my thoughts down.
Just kill me and find out for yourself.And if we don't kill you? Does the day end or continue?
There's nothing in the rules about repeated no lynch no kill scenarios.
What happens then?
There's nothing in the rules about repeated no lynch no kill scenarios.
What happens then?
A third consecutive “no” decision of the same type will not be permitted starting with the sixth game cycle.
If the galz lynch doesn't pan out, of the people with votes, I'd like a efhw lynch better than a eddie or didds lynch.
I would not mind an e lynch though
Out of curiosity, @efhw, was that a real scumslip that cayvie called you out for re the vig being a threat?I'm not sure. They were a threat to me, but I was genuinely thinking about how often they shoot wrong. It's true that it's not conventional to say vigs are a threat to town.
Swan and Didds -- How about a deal? We don't shoot either of you and you make us kings?
Vote Count 6.0:
Not Voting (6): WCD, EFHW, DatSwan, skip wooznum, mail-mi
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 6 ends on May 19 at 9:00 p.m.
Well, I obviously cannot win. I think it's about time for each of you to consider that the opposing faction is lying. Because if you were both telling the truth, this game would be over, and all of you would have won.
They can't side with me because even if we lynch efhw now, you will still shoot me tonight and win. I'm the only townie left. I die tonight no matter what. Once I'm dead town cannot win. Therefore scum+survivors should have already locked in a victory.Well, I obviously cannot win. I think it's about time for each of you to consider that the opposing faction is lying. Because if you were both telling the truth, this game would be over, and all of you would have won.
Or, because the survivors still have the option of siding with you to win, we have to let the game play out.
but also killing you is the fastest path to victory for both teams.
Vote Count 6.0:
Not Voting (6): WCD, EFHW, DatSwan, skip wooznum, mail-mi
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 6 ends on May 19 at 9:00 p.m.
Is the "6" number intentional? There are only 5 alive.
@mail-mi, you should probably unvote me while you think it over. What I'm saying makes sense.Sorry, this post is maybe more condescending than I meant it to be.
@doorknobthians, obviously if you know you're telling the truth, then you know scum is lying.
But I think it's more likely that y'all are lying.
I’m not sure what we’d be lying about?You aren't survivors. You don't win with scum. You win on your own.
Vote: Skip
I’m not sure what we’d be lying about?I mean, fine, whatever, let's say you're telling the truth. Why is the game not over? Scum must be lying then.
Vote: Skip
I’m not sure what we’d be lying about?I mean, fine, whatever, let's say you're telling the truth. Why is the game not over? Scum must be lying then.
Vote: Skip
@mail-mi, you should probably unvote me while you think it over. What I'm saying makes sense.... You're right. unvote
DaDidds@mail-mi, you should probably unvote me while you think it over. What I'm saying makes sense.... You're right. unvote
Anything y'all need to come clean with, DiddSwan? (Alternatively, WestCoastSwan)
Why are we still playing?
Scum need to exterminate everyone? Or a single scum can’t NK? Or skip has some sort of shot left?
Why?Why are we still playing?
Scum need to exterminate everyone? Or a single scum can’t NK? Or skip has some sort of shot left?
We win when scum controls, or nothing can stop that from happening.
I think I figured out why the game is still going on, though.
@mail-mi, you should probably unvote me while you think it over. What I'm saying makes sense.... You're right. unvote
Anything y'all need to come clean with, DiddSwan? (Alternatively, WestCoastSwan)
skip - we are not lying about anythingI'm not the one you need to convince.
skip - we are not lying about anythingI'm not the one you need to convince.
I believe that is hammer sauce.
and it cannot be because we can go either way - why the game is still on I mean.
2 skum 1 town 2 dorian
- we lynch town, skum wins
- we lynch skum, skum shoots town, skum wins.
so there actually like... MUST be something else in play.
I believe that is hammer sauce.
and it cannot be because we can go either way - why the game is still on I mean.
2 skum 1 town 2 dorian
- we lynch town, skum wins
- we lynch skum, skum shoots town, skum wins.
so there actually like... MUST be something else in play.
There is, and now that Skip has been hammered, I'll explain it.
When we have 1 player alive on our team, we have an "initiate" action that allows the scum player to offer another player to change their win condition to ours. They don't get to learn who we are. So if y'all had decided to lunch EFHW or I, we could have initiated skip tonight and he would have won with us if he chose to alter his win condition.
At least, I think that's why the game still goes on.
I believe that is hammer sauce.YOUR fate is still undetermined.
and it cannot be because we can go either way - why the game is still on I mean.
2 skum 1 town 2 dorian
- we lynch town, skum wins
- we lynch skum, skum shoots town, skum wins.
so there actually like... MUST be something else in play.
I don't know if 2 Dornians 1 scum is a win for scum. We are supposed to control the world. It seems like you guys would be in control in that situation. Or maybe you aren't part of the world we have to control?Survivors definitely should not count.
Well, nothing up our sleeves.yup
Yams, when is the baby due??
Yams, when is the baby due??
Yams, when is the baby due??
November 28. :)
Yams, when is the baby due??
November 28. :)
I’m so excited for you!! I’ll want your address later to send you a donkey!
Yams, when is the baby due??
raerae's baby reminded me of this - Have you ever noticed that other people's pregnancies go by really quickly?
Yams, when is the baby due??
November 28. :)
I’m so excited for you!! I’ll want your address later to send you a donkey!
Not sure if my wife would like a pet donkey. ;D
Yams, when is the baby due??
November 28. :)
I’m so excited for you!! I’ll want your address later to send you a donkey!
Not sure if my wife would like a pet donkey. ;D
Fair enough. Shipping is a lot on the live ones, too. So, you’ll have to settle for the stuffed animal version. If she comes around on the live one, though, just let me know.
there is this little tiny part of me that believes you know the weight to cost ratio for shipping a live donkey now
I don't feel great about perpetrating blackmail.
btw, I requested town for this game! I've been scum 5 of my last 6 games. I've forgotten how to be towny!
Reading swan's qt. Lol I was wondering what you meant by '99'. Yeah, I was talking bout community.
Reading swan's qt. Lol I was wondering what you meant by '99'. Yeah, I was talking bout community.
haha I loved that I got that hint drop - I have, like since the next day, started watching community. fantastic show so far lol
Reading swan's qt. Lol I was wondering what you meant by '99'. Yeah, I was talking bout community.
haha I loved that I got that hint drop - I have, like since the next day, started watching community. fantastic show so far lol
So....
I think I read through all the relevant information.
@ash, why exactly did we have to play out day 6?
why wouldn't scum just shoot me for the win though?So....
I think I read through all the relevant information.
@ash, why exactly did we have to play out day 6?
Scum could be lynched, and scum shot the wrong dornian, and dornians then kingmake for town.
why wouldn't scum just shoot me for the win though?So....
I think I read through all the relevant information.
@ash, why exactly did we have to play out day 6?
Scum could be lynched, and scum shot the wrong dornian, and dornians then kingmake for town.
Better than 'The Cape'?!Reading swan's qt. Lol I was wondering what you meant by '99'. Yeah, I was talking bout community.
haha I loved that I got that hint drop - I have, like since the next day, started watching community. fantastic show so far lol
My fav sitcom of all time (I almost said favorite show...)
Eh, yeah, I'll commit. It's my favorite show.
Eh, wut?
Yeah fine. I guess my point is that there was a clear and more or less obvious path to ending the game, which was shooting the last town player. Was it a technical certainty that scum would do it? I suppose I have to admit it was not. So yeah, I guess from ash's pov it would be wrong to call the game if it's not 100%, but from my pov it was not fun when I was left alive in a situation with almost no hope, where I had no ability whatsoever to impact the game.Eh, wut?
Scum could think dornians were lying, or out of spite try to kill the one that was alive, or randomized and chose to kill the wrong dornian...
It could've happened.
I guess I should talk about the game a bit.If only we lynched efhw...
This... Was not a fun experience for me.
I kinda wrote out a long post about why, touching on the 6/14 town thing, the underwhelming town powers, the lack of control I felt, but it really doesn't matter.
In the end, this was an experiment, and I really did think the IC reveal was nice, and experiments are meant to test weird stuff, and I am glad that we were able to test weird stuff.
I just don't have interest in revisiting this specific bundle of weird stuff.
the underwhelming town powersActually, mix and pubby had really cool powers. They just died young.
I guess I should talk about the game a bit.If only we lynched efhw...
This... Was not a fun experience for me.
I kinda wrote out a long post about why, touching on the 6/14 town thing, the underwhelming town powers, the lack of control I felt, but it really doesn't matter.
In the end, this was an experiment, and I really did think the IC reveal was nice, and experiments are meant to test weird stuff, and I am glad that we were able to test weird stuff.
I just don't have interest in revisiting this specific bundle of weird stuff.
So....
I think I read through all the relevant information.
@ash, why exactly did we have to play out day 6?
Also fair, technically. But why would you do that? You win either way, there would be no reason to risk anything just for town's benefit.
Also fair, technically. But why would you do that? You win either way, there would be no reason to risk anything just for town's benefit.
We needed to be sure whoever killed didds was dead. It saying it was a super solid concept, but we actually did consider it for a moment. That was why we kept trying to find a way to win with town (game ends and everyone that can shoot is dead).
So....
I think I read through all the relevant information.
@ash, why exactly did we have to play out day 6?
I guess I should talk about the game a bit.
This... Was not a fun experience for me.
I kinda wrote out a long post about why, touching on the 6/14 town thing, the underwhelming town powers, the lack of control I felt, but it really doesn't matter.
In the end, this was an experiment, and I really did think the IC reveal was nice, and experiments are meant to test weird stuff, and I am glad that we were able to test weird stuff.
I just don't have interest in revisiting this specific bundle of weird stuff.
Looking at the whole setup, I do feel that mafia was overpowered. They had pretty strong powers, and there were two killing roles with the explicit purpose of killing non-mafia players.
I don't see any other faction that is underpowered though. Like Humanists, shraeye, town were on a roughly balanced level, though of course there was a big amount of swinginess. And Dornians - well their win condition varies so wildly that it's difficult to make any kind of judgment.
Just seemed like mafia had it good. I agree that a mafia Alien would have gone a long way to making things more balanced.
And this is not news I think, but I'm generally not a big fan of RNG elements, the random redirection thing was not a fun experience for me. The game could have played out very differently if my N1 action had hit its intended target.
That is all not to say that this wasn't an amazing setup. Like the only reason I keep talking about it is because there was so much going on. I guess I'm just a bit miffed that I got 2 scum lynched and that ended up hurting town.
I think mafia was overpowered only in comparison to the rest.In comparison to what can you be overpowered if not the other factions?
I think mafia was overpowered only in comparison to the rest.In comparison to what can you be overpowered if not the other factions?
I think town needed to be buffed if Swidds chose not to be Masons.
Because they essentially gained the ability win apart from town as well as a Vig shot that could only kill Town. (And Shraeye)
What I wanna know is if they resurrected LL and he died again, would another friendly IC show up. Haha.
Swidds*
faust: you threw me for a loop day 1 with your "sanity check" line! i was certain you were my partner picking up my signals that i was DelusionalHaha, I just thought I would make a fun CoC reference.
@cayvie, this post of yours totally had me thinking you were town.By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
On a reread, I think mix scum slipped here.
More specifically, in the assumption that I can't use multiple powers in one night (which I can).
I put it to you that scum (who already have a nightkill) is more likely to have single powers in this game than town, and thus would not have had a reason to ask the mod.
vote: mix
@cayvie, this post of yours totally had me thinking you were town.By the way, the best way to use your role is to say nothing, use it on your scumread N1, and if they don't die say you fruit vendor'd someone and they should claim that they got the fruit or you out them and they're lynched. This way you get to know if there's any bus driver shenanigans and it accomplishes the same. Also also, you have more than one power so you're not using the vig shot N1, which means the claim is useless for now. All of this adds to you being scum.
Just wait untill cayvie flips not town to see that I'm right.
On a reread, I think mix scum slipped here.
More specifically, in the assumption that I can't use multiple powers in one night (which I can).
I put it to you that scum (who already have a nightkill) is more likely to have single powers in this game than town, and thus would not have had a reason to ask the mod.
vote: mix
What made you think town could use multiple powers? Especially in light of the fact that town!mix clearly implies that he can't? I considered this a bona fide townslip.
@cayvie, this post of yours totally had me thinking you were town.
What made you think town could use multiple powers? Especially in light of the fact that town!mix clearly implies that he can't? I considered this a bona fide townslip.