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[mcmcsalot]

I'm surprised why anyone is taking fausts case as "not serious". I mean it's early day one but I didn't get any sarcasm out of his posts. I also think the case is decent though I agree with pps that I don't think scum!robz suggests a massclaim right out of the gate.

What about the notion that SK hunting is somehow a scumtell and not what it says on the tin, namely scum hunting?

Right now the only valid point I see in the case is the buddying.

I think sk hunting is a valid scumtell, I think people categorize things as sk hunting way to often though. Like I don't think robz musing that there could be an sk is sk hunting.

[Robz888]

Alright, let's do this. (I'm doing this because I was planning to anyway, not because I have come under the slightest suspicion.)

I am claiming. I am a Survivor. I can win alongside any faction, so don't kill me, it's pointless.

I considered lying and claiming that I was like 1-shot BP, or something, to further disincentivize people from killing me, but I didn't want to confuse you guys about whether there are extra bonuses in play, beyond the ones we could get from the draft. Because if I didn't get anything extra, I seriously doubt scum did.

Note that I was not very happy about the PR choices, virtually none of them are good for the Survivor and several are even negative utility. Anyway, I went for the Double Vote because it seemed like the only thing that wouldn't actively hurt me. I did not get it.

I will of course be scumhunting and working with town to the extent I am able, per standard Survivor play.

[Witherweaver]

Well okay.

[faust]

Well okay. Seems my vote is well placed.

[faust]

Robz: Can you explain what you hope to achieve with this claim?

[Witherweaver]

Well okay. Seems my vote is well placed.

I don't think it's a good day-1 lynch.  He is almost surely not lying.  Do you think he is?

[faust]

Well okay. Seems my vote is well placed.

I don't think it's a good day-1 lynch.  He is almost surely not lying.  Do you think he is?

Even if he's not lying, he's still a good lynch.

But I think there is a good chance that he is in fact lying. The claim makes little sense for an actual Survivor.

[mcmcsalot]

Well okay. Seems my vote is well placed.

I don't think it's a good day-1 lynch.  He is almost surely not lying.  Do you think he is?

I don't think it's a terrible day one lynch seeing as he has no power to help us or anything. Though I 100% believe him. Know way scum does this, because a claimed survivor is likely to get lynched at some point anyway. I guess I also don't know why he did this as survivor though either.

[mcmcsalot]

Oh oh oh couldn't he be the thing that wants to get lynched? Isn't that a role!

[Robz888]

Robz: Can you explain what you hope to achieve with this claim?

Well, the only way I win is by not dying. I don't think I'm a particularly likely Day 1 lynch or Night 1 kill... but it could happen. And also, the earlier I claim, the more likely I am to be believed.... I could see people not believing this if I claimed it, say, under pressure on Day 3. So "now" seemed better.

If you look at my thoughts on Survivor in Mafia 40, you'll see I believed then--and still do now--that early claiming is ideal Survivor play. I base this off of Eevee's successful Survivor-ing in Mafia 31. He claimed Day 2, I believe.

[mcmcsalot]

Who did eevee win with?

[Witherweaver]

Well okay. Seems my vote is well placed.

I don't think it's a good day-1 lynch.  He is almost surely not lying.  Do you think he is?

Even if he's not lying, he's still a good lynch.

But I think there is a good chance that he is in fact lying. The claim makes little sense for an actual Survivor.

If he's not lying it's a no benefit lynch.  I don't think Robz would do this out-of-the-blue as scum. 

Oh, unless maybe there actually is an SK.  Maybe you might want to try something new there, and doing it early is more believable. 

[faust]

Oh oh oh couldn't he be the thing that wants to get lynched? Isn't that a role!

A bastard one, yes.

[Robz888]

Who did eevee win with?

Mafia. But in that game, town never lynched scum, not once. Assuming we do a little bit better here, I am just an extra townie.

Yes, if town totally drops the ball I will win with mafia. But we knew that's what would happen with Eevee too, and it still never made sense for town to kill him, or SK!EFHW to shoot him, so I felt like claiming was in my best interests.

[faust]

If you look at my thoughts on Survivor in Mafia 40, you'll see I believed then--and still do now--that early claiming is ideal Survivor play. I base this off of Eevee's successful Survivor-ing in Mafia 31. He claimed Day 2, I believe.

Of course we should note that in that same game, the mafia won by drawing the Survivor to their side; which is why we should lynch Robz.

[Robz888]

Well okay. Seems my vote is well placed.

I don't think it's a good day-1 lynch.  He is almost surely not lying.  Do you think he is?

Even if he's not lying, he's still a good lynch.

But I think there is a good chance that he is in fact lying. The claim makes little sense for an actual Survivor.

If he's not lying it's a no benefit lynch.  I don't think Robz would do this out-of-the-blue as scum. 

Oh, unless maybe there actually is an SK.  Maybe you might want to try something new there, and doing it early is more believable.

My being a Survivor does make me think it more likely that we have an SK, or Werewolves. Multiple night kills, perhaps, will shed some light there.

[Robz888]

If you look at my thoughts on Survivor in Mafia 40, you'll see I believed then--and still do now--that early claiming is ideal Survivor play. I base this off of Eevee's successful Survivor-ing in Mafia 31. He claimed Day 2, I believe.

Of course we should note that in that same game, the mafia won by drawing the Survivor to their side; which is why we should lynch Robz.

Lynching Eevee would not have changed the outcome in that game.

[faust]

unvote

I strongly suggest that a Desperate Vigilante, if such a player exists, shoots Robz tonight.

[Robz888]

unvote

I strongly suggest that a Desperate Vigilante, if such a player exists, shoots Robz tonight.

Nah, they should save it for a player who is definitely scum-aligned.

[gkrieg13]

Ya I don't think I want to lynch Robz right now.

[Robz888]

I haven't won a game since Mafia 93, FWIW. Just let me survive, people.

[faust]

unvote

I strongly suggest that a Desperate Vigilante, if such a player exists, shoots Robz tonight.

Nah, they should save it for a player who is definitely scum-aligned.

They should shoot whoever is definitely not town-aligned, which is you.

I don't think their PM suggests that they have only one shot, and we won't get anyone confirmed scum today I suppose.

[Robz888]

I'm already helping town! I deprived scum (probably) of the Double Vote! I basically deserve MVP for my pro-town play.

[Witherweaver]

unvote

I strongly suggest that a Desperate Vigilante, if such a player exists, shoots Robz tonight.

This is sensible.

[faust]

Just to be clear: Barring PR interactions, we have 2 mislynches and then we're at MyLo. (Assuming 3 scum) At MyLo, Robz will definitely turn against us. So not lynching Robz means we only have one mislynch.

On the other hand, lynching Robz also gives us a single mislynch, but we can do it on D2, with more info! So lynching Robz is always better. The only reason against pushing this today is the possibility of a Desperate Vig. That way we might still get 2 mislynches.