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[LaLight]

Welcome to RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia!

Mod: LaLight

This is a closed invented setup for 12 players.

Players:
1. SpaceAnemone Killed N3: Dipper Pines
2. Roadrunner7671 Lynched D3: Bill
3. Dylan32
4. IDon'tPlayThisGame Eevee died N2: Soos
5. J Reggie lynched d2: Gideon
6. Jake
7. gkrieg13
8. faust Died N1: Robbie Valentino
9. silverspawn Lynched D1: Sheriff Blubs
10. iguanaiguana
11. Awaclus Died N1: Stanford Pines
12. ashersky

Spectators tagged: schadd, Joseph2302, ashersky

General rules


The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Please read The Civility Pledge before signing up for any mafia game on this site.  If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play. Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.

1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:

1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any game-related source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings and the QTs specifically designed for this purpose.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:

1. Day phases will last 7 days, Night lasts 36 hours.
2. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
3. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
4. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until the mod locks the thread; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, there will be no lynch.
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName.  Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
9. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game.
10. If the thread is locked, you may not post.  Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post.  The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.

3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:

1. Bold, purple text is reserved for the mod.  No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please discuss this in your role QT.  Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently.  Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed.  These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request after 24 hours of no activity.  A prodded player has 48 hours to respond or risks replacement.  A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.9 without further notice.
6. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game. Do not discuss this game in any thread that is not directly related to it.
7. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
8. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.  Treat this game as a commitment.  Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging. Players who fail to post for 48 hours without an announcement, or fail to post for 24 hours repeatedly, risk being subject to replacement and/or being modkilled without further notice.
9. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread.  A request to /out must only be done via a post in the role QT. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique.  (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed. Whether your request to /out will lead to replacement or a modkill is up to the mod's discretion.

Setup:

All players will be given role QTs, and some will also have a factional QT. All communications with the mod should be made in those QTs.

Items

There are some items in this game. Unless otherwise stated, players may not pass items to other players.

Unless otherwise stated, players may not use an item and their own ability in the same night.


Action Resolution Chain
All actions that are resolved at the same time -- in particular night actions -- will be resolved according to the following protocol:

  1. Find an action (or a passive modifier) such that its effect cannot possibly be modified by any other action.
  2. Resolve it.
  3. Repeat from step 1 until all actions are resolved.

In case of conflicting night actions, order of resolution is determined by the kind of action performed in the following way:

  1. Commute
  2. Block
  3. Item Use
  4. Copy
  5. Redirect
  6. Protect
  7. Kill
  8. Miscellaneous
  9. Inspect
  10. Item Giving

If you are unsure in which category your night action falls, please ask in your Role QT. In case of conflicting night actions of the same type, the following protocol is applied:

  1. Actions by town-aligned players are resolved first.
  2. If 1 doesn't apply, the action submitted first will be resolved first.
  3. To prevent the case when stalemate due to roles of 2 or more people may occur (e.g. 2 doctors, protecting each other) the following course of actions will be  prosecuted: 1 person, taking part in action circle will be randomly redirected onto another random person, whereas the rest of people, taking part in action circle will be performing their actions as planned.

[Calamitas]

Not sure whether I play this one, but if I do I won't forget the damn switch

[Roadrunner7671]

/tag

[SpaceAnemone]

Ooh! /in :-)

[schadd]

/tag

[faust]

/tag

I have certain doubts about the balance of this.

[LaLight]

/tag

I have certain doubts about the balance of this.

What are they? We've been working on this setup for more than a month...

[Joseph2302]

/tag for now

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Recent devoplments have made me /in

[The_Wine_Merchant]

/tag

[Dylan32]

Back on campus and ready to get back /in to a game!

[faust]

/tag

I have certain doubts about the balance of this.

What are they? We've been working on this setup for more than a month...

Massclaims on each day are kinda harsh for scum when they don't have a way to emulate these actions.

[faust]

Also Dayvig should definitely be in the ICfying category.

[LaLight]

/tag

I have certain doubts about the balance of this.

What are they? We've been working on this setup for more than a month...

Massclaims on each day are kinda harsh for scum when they don't have a way to emulate these actions.

They can emulate/claim some, thay can emulate/claim VT. There will be not many roles distributed in the night, 5 (counting switch) max and their usefulness will depend on the number of scum players left. I guess that just depends on ability of people to claim roles successfully.

[LaLight]

Also Dayvig should definitely be in the ICfying category.

I don't want active roles in ICfying category, but point taken. Deleted.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

/in

Back, and this time I'm pretty sure I'm not leaving the land of internet access.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

/out

[Joseph2302]

LaLight told me I should /in

[Roadrunner7671]

/in

[chairs]

sure /in

[Archetype]

Bump and /tag

A few potential issues I noticed are that since the only players who can recieve PRs are Town, any powers that are confirmable are conf!Town. Additionally, since the usefulness of a player's role varies from night to night because as the roles are 1-shot and the assignment is random, there is really not reason not to claim what power you did the night prior each day.

Maybe this is the kind of game you were looking for, but it seems a bit too townsided and potentially scripted unless I'm missing something.

[harbinger]

/in

[Dylan32]

/in

Welcome to f.ds and our little mafia corner of it!

[ashersky]

Tag

[Joseph2302]

/In people should /in. Please /in so we can beg/in

[LaLight]

Bump and /tag

A few potential issues I noticed are that since the only players who can recieve PRs are Town, any powers that are confirmable are conf!Town. Additionally, since the usefulness of a player's role varies from night to night because as the roles are 1-shot and the assignment is random, there is really not reason not to claim what power you did the night prior each day.

Maybe this is the kind of game you were looking for, but it seems a bit too townsided and potentially scripted unless I'm missing something.

Thing is that there is not much confirmable roles that scum couldn't imitate. Scum has a list of unassigned roles and they may pretend whatever to confuse town. I would actually say that I don't think the setup is townsided, but it clearly epends on the level of scum players.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

There is only 1 distribution of ICfying category. It is delivered randomly and secretly to one of the Town players on N0. This player won't know he has a Power Role from ICfying category and he won't receive any more roles for the whole game. No more ICfying Power Roles may be in the game.

Does that player keep the role for the entire game?

[LaLight]

There is only 1 distribution of ICfying category. It is delivered randomly and secretly to one of the Town players on N0. This player won't know he has a Power Role from ICfying category and he won't receive any more roles for the whole game. No more ICfying Power Roles may be in the game.

Does that player keep the role for the entire game?

Yes.

[Joseph2302]

/out, as I'm joining M96, and don't want to overcommit myself

[ashersky]

For further clarification...all of the random 1-shot powers are assigned each night, except Night 0.

Except for the IC category, which is only assigned once, on Night 0.

Is there a random chance that the IC category gets used, or it is guaranteed?  Since it is apart from the rest of the roles in all ways, why does it could for your maximum each night?  It's basically a N0 only thing that doesn't affect the rest of the ways the roles are assigned.

Does scum learn on N0 if ICifying happened (in the way they learn what happened every other night)?

[LaLight]

For further clarification...all of the random 1-shot powers are assigned each night, except Night 0.

Except for the IC category, which is only assigned once, on Night 0.

Is there a random chance that the IC category gets used, or it is guaranteed?  Since it is apart from the rest of the roles in all ways, why does it could for your maximum each night?  It's basically a N0 only thing that doesn't affect the rest of the ways the roles are assigned.

Does scum learn on N0 if ICifying happened (in the way they learn what happened every other night)?

It is guaranteed. It doesn't count:

As there are only 6 common categories, there can not be more than 6 Power Roles delivered in one night.

No, they does not.

[ashersky]

For further clarification...all of the random 1-shot powers are assigned each night, except Night 0.

Except for the IC category, which is only assigned once, on Night 0.

Is there a random chance that the IC category gets used, or it is guaranteed?  Since it is apart from the rest of the roles in all ways, why does it could for your maximum each night?  It's basically a N0 only thing that doesn't affect the rest of the ways the roles are assigned.

Does scum learn on N0 if ICifying happened (in the way they learn what happened every other night)?

It is guaranteed. It doesn't count:

As there are only 6 common categories, there can not be more than 6 Power Roles delivered in one night.

No, they does not.

I counted seven in the list total, and assumed "misc" was the one that would count as "common."

Why not just remove IC from the list?

[ashersky]

If the N0 player is secret, that's problematic.  How will they know to request IC status if they were assigned that role?

Hammerer is generally modkilled if they cast a non-hammer vote; if they don't know they are Hammerer, that feel Bastard.

[ashersky]

That's just one example.

[ashersky]

If the N0 player is secret, that's problematic.  How will they know to request IC status if they were assigned that role?

Hammerer is generally modkilled if they cast a non-hammer vote; if they don't know they are Hammerer, that feel Bastard.

Sorry, Actor, not Hammerer.

I see you put "vote doesn't count" so I assume no modkills.

[gkrieg13]

No modkills, but they also know that they received that role.

[LaLight]

If the N0 player is secret, that's problematic.  How will they know to request IC status if they were assigned that role?

Hammerer is generally modkilled if they cast a non-hammer vote; if they don't know they are Hammerer, that feel Bastard.

Sorry, Actor, not Hammerer.

I see you put "vote doesn't count" so I assume no modkills.

Yes.

Also, IC category may be Hurtful to Town as any other. If the player will draw "Innocent Child" role, they is announced. If they draw Actor, they are not announced, but it will be pretty obvious they are town. If they draw Miller, well, bad luck here.

[ashersky]

No modkills, but they also know that they received that role.

No modkills, but they also know that they received that role.

OP says they don't.

[ashersky]

If the N0 player is secret, that's problematic.  How will they know to request IC status if they were assigned that role?

Hammerer is generally modkilled if they cast a non-hammer vote; if they don't know they are Hammerer, that feel Bastard.

Sorry, Actor, not Hammerer.

I see you put "vote doesn't count" so I assume no modkills.

Yes.

Also, IC category may be Hurtful to Town as any other. If the player will draw "Innocent Child" role, they is announced. If they draw Actor, they are not announced, but it will be pretty obvious they are town. If they draw Miller, well, bad luck here.

I understand that part -- that's fine.  I think not telling the player can lead to some unfortunate situations.  Technically it's all known that they won't know, so okay.   But still.

And the Roles Spreadsheet makes it sound like getting the Innocent Child power is an active, not passive role.

I have the same concerns as Faust, I think.  Looking forward to spectating!

[J Reggie]

Count me /in

[gkrieg13]

Definitely /in!

[SpaceAnemone]

Hurrah, I'd hoped something would happen with RMM41 soon :-) I've foolishly let myself get into the situation of not being in any games at the moment

I don't need to have heard of Gravity Falls before, do I?

[LaLight]

Hurrah, I'd hoped something would happen with RMM41 soon :-) I've foolishly let myself get into the situation of not being in any games at the moment

I don't need to have heard of Gravity Falls before, do I?

No. Alignment depends on flavor names but scum have been provided the fakeclaims. Compare it to Stranger Things.

[faust]

/in

[LaLight]

I just finished all the preparations. Come on, sign up, let's start!

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Is this still 1-shot mafia or has that been scrapped?

[LaLight]

Is this still 1-shot mafia or has that been scrapped?

I want to run a game on Gravity Falls

Okay, I have a Gravity Falls RMM ready. If my 1-shot game won't fill in 2 weeks, I'm gonna delete it and open this one.

RMM41 is changed to Gravity Falls Mafia with a closed setup.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Is this still 1-shot mafia or has that been scrapped?

I want to run a game on Gravity Falls

Okay, I have a Gravity Falls RMM ready. If my 1-shot game won't fill in 2 weeks, I'm gonna delete it and open this one.

RMM41 is changed to Gravity Falls Mafia with a closed setup.

Ah. That's not a thread I look at

[LaLight]

bump?

[LaLight]

I may try to cut it for 8/9 people, but I am not sure how this will work out.

[gkrieg13]

I may try to cut it for 8/9 people, but I am not sure how this will work out.

I would just wait. It will fill

[faust]

Why are people not signing up? I need a game!

[silverspawn]

alright, /in

[LaLight]

alright, /in

yay!

[iguanaiguana]

/in

[gkrieg13]

/in

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iguanaiguana]

/in

Wagons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[schadd]

this game is pulling people out from beyond the grave (he said, while continuing to not join)

[gkrieg13]

/in

Wagons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are one cool iguana.

[LaLight]

/in

Oh my, welcome back

[faust]

this game is pulling people out from beyond the grave (he said, while continuing to not join)

Looks like we need to put you in a grave...

[Joseph2302]

/tag
Not got time to play right now

[gkrieg13]

Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!
Somebody sign up!

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'll probably be sooo confused but i guess i'll /in

[gkrieg13]

Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!
Somebody hammer!

[ashersky]

Sure.  In.

[LaLight]

sorry, was not a hammer, cause chairs is not on forums 1 spot left tho

[ashersky]

Wel, out then.

[LaLight]

mcmc, you wanted to hammer also iirc

[iguanaiguana]

I also demand that my in be counted as the hammer.

[Dylan32]

Can people just settle for a team hammer?

[silverspawn]

I demand my vote be counted as having come in 1,0*10^-12 seconds before iguana's hammer.

[Awaclus]

Are there spots left? If so, /in.

[mcmcsalot]

/hammer

[LaLight]

aaaand we start

[LaLight]

PMs are out. N0 starts now and ends in 48 hours (4.04, 3.30pm FT)

Thread Locked except for tags.

[ashersky]

Outs so he can hammer, misses hammer.  Doh.

/tag

[LaLight]

I have got a replacement request from mcmc due to IRL stuff. ashersky replaced mcmc.

[LaLight]

I still haven't got some confirmations. Please, proceed shortly.

[LaLight]

Just another sunny day in Gravity Falls. Summer is in its climax and everyone just relaxes. The day is so calm, that it seems.. suspicious. No zombies, no gnomes, McGucket is nowhere to be seen and there was no sign of Bill for no less than a week! Dipper was lying under the sun with pensil in his mouth trying to decode the secret messages of the 3rd journal…
“Hey Mabel!” he shouted. “I’ve found a cypher that can point us to the greatest treasures in world! Let’s go find them! Mabel? Where are you?” He looked aroung but his sister was nowhere to be seen. “Mabel?”
Something big rustled in the bushes. Something big and obviously very dangerous. Dipper made a little step forward shaking like a leaf. “M-m-mabel? Is that you? It’s n-n-not funny!”
“NO, IT IS” Mabel riding Waddles suddenly jumped out of the bushes. You should’ve seen yourself! Afraid as a little kiiiitten! “Well, I was not –“
“Ah, forget it, Dipper, let’s go swim in the lake ot hide uncle Stanley’s slippers and hear some new words” chuckled Mabel. “But I have found some great mysterious treas ¬–“ “Boooooooooooooring” – Mabel stuck out her tongue and made some dancing moves around Waddles who was phlegmatically chewing the grass.

So, twins were arguing as only twins can. They did not know that that day was the last peaceful day of Gravity Falls…


Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (12): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Dylan32, IDontPlayThisGame, J Reggie, JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13, faust, silverspawn, iguanaiguana, Awaclus, ashersky

Gkrieg13 is Waddles

Day 1 starts now and ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. Thread unlocked!

[silverspawn]

Hello.

[gkrieg13]

I'm excited that I'm IC! 

[Roadrunner7671]

What's a Waddles?
Vote: gkrieg

[Awaclus]

It's been a while since the last time silverspawn was scum because of Futuramafia!

Vote: silverspawn

[Awaclus]

What's a Waddles?
Vote: gkrieg

This is RMM, not BM.

[silverspawn]

vote: RR

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Hello Vote: RR

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Roadrunner

Wagons!

[iguanaiguana]

 

[silverspawn]

all of that hay does need to be delivered somehow.

[J Reggie]

vote: ss

Has anything happened in the last few months that I should be aware of?  I haven't been following that much Mafia stuff.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

What's a Waddles?
Vote: gkrieg

Vote the IC? Good plan.

vote: RR

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Actually, let's just get it over with:

vote: Jake

[gkrieg13]

I promise to be a good IC this time I promise.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh no my wagon! It's growing!

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

[SpaceAnemone]

Morning all!

Vote: iguana

Wagons? :-)

Night night!

[gkrieg13]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I doubt it at this point.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

you kidding.... Of course he's scum

[iguanaiguana]

Morning all!

Vote: iguana

Wagons? :-)

Night night!

I'm a town.

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Unless you are scum, then you can give it 100% odds.

[J Reggie]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Is this a scumslip or are you taking a page from my book?

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Unless you are scum, then you can give it 100% odds.

But if I'm not scum, then there are 0% odds. Can we meet in the middle and call it 50%?

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Is this a scumslip or are you taking a page from my book?

Uh...no comment.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Unless you are scum, then you can give it 100% odds.

But if I'm not scum, then there are 0% odds. Can we meet in the middle and call it 50%?

I'll take a 50-50 lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Unless you are scum, then you can give it 100% odds.

But if I'm not scum, then there are 0% odds. Can we meet in the middle and call it 50%?

I'll take a 50-50 lynch.

Me too!

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Unless you are scum, then you can give it 100% odds.

But if I'm not scum, then there are 0% odds. Can we meet in the middle and call it 50%?

I'll take a 50-50 lynch.

Me too!

So who's the other part of this 50-50?

[iguanaiguana]

Question: are we still in RVS or is there a case on RR now?

[Roadrunner7671]

Wandering Winder.

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Unless you are scum, then you can give it 100% odds.

But if I'm not scum, then there are 0% odds. Can we meet in the middle and call it 50%?

I'll take a 50-50 lynch.

Me too!

So who's the other part of this 50-50?

Prolly Jake

[Roadrunner7671]

Question: are we still in RVS or is there a case on RR now?

I'm actually starting to think there is a RR case. I should put my game face on, but I'm just feeling good about being back in Mafia, in a RMM game, with lots of old faces.

[iguanaiguana]

Question: are we still in RVS or is there a case on RR now?

I'm actually starting to think there is a RR case. I should put my game face on, but I'm just feeling good about being back in Mafia, in a RMM game, with lots of old faces.

You're not old though!

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Question: are we still in RVS or is there a case on RR now?

I'm actually starting to think there is a RR case. I should put my game face on, but I'm just feeling good about being back in Mafia, in a RMM game, with lots of old faces.

I'm interested in hearing this case.

Question: are we still in RVS or is there a case on RR now?

I could see it going either way.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Question: are we still in RVS or is there a case on RR now?

I'm actually starting to think there is a RR case. I should put my game face on, but I'm just feeling good about being back in Mafia, in a RMM game, with lots of old faces.

You're not old though!

I think he called everyone else old.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm interested in hearing this case.

Roadrunner7671 is being too fluffy. Do you know what else is fluffy! Werewolves! Therefore, RR is a werewolf.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I'm interested in hearing this case.

Roadrunner7671 is being too fluffy. Do you know what else is fluffy! Werewolves! Therefore, RR is a werewolf.

Good enough for me. vote: RR L-3?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm interested in hearing this case.

Roadrunner7671 is being too fluffy. Do you know what else is fluffy! Werewolves! Therefore, RR is a werewolf.

The case is that your vote is still on the IC, signaling your unwillingness to cast a real vote, a classic RR scumtell. It is a very weak case indeed.

[Roadrunner7671]

As a show of ball-si-ness, I'm not going to unvote. This is good for wagon analysis!

[gkrieg13]

Have you ever wondered why you always get lynched?

[Roadrunner7671]

Have you ever wondered why you always get lynched?

Nope!

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I'm interested in hearing this case.

Roadrunner7671 is being too fluffy. Do you know what else is fluffy! Werewolves! Therefore, RR is a werewolf.

The case is that your vote is still on the IC, signaling your unwillingness to cast a real vote, a classic RR scumtell. It is a very weak case indeed.

Yeah, I'm not sure whose case is weaker: mine or yours.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Or RR's

[Roadrunner7671]

Sorry, I've been playing too much Town of Salem where you can just mess around. But I just had a very bad experience, so I won't play forum mafia like it's ToS.

[Awaclus]

I won't play forum mafia like it's ToS.

I always play forum mafia like it's terms of service.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I won't play forum mafia like it's ToS.

I always play forum mafia like it's terms of service.

I was recently told not to do that. Logic and all that.

[J Reggie]

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

[Roadrunner7671]

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

You really think I'm a mime/Jester? Ouch.

[Roadrunner7671]

I play more recklessly when I have a role that there's no way can be a fake claim. I mean, look at Stranger Things mafia for starters if you want.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: J Reggie

Anyone up for a wagons?

[Roadrunner7671]

a wagons?

Vote: J Reggie

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

You really think I'm a mime/Jester? Ouch.

I fail to see the insult.

Vote: J Reggie

Anyone up for a wagons?

I still like the RR wagon for now.

[Dylan32]

Morning all!

Vote: iguana

Wagons? :-)

Night night!

I'm a town.

Hi a town. I'm Dylan.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Maybe Roadrunner is scum.

I'd give it 25% odds, seeing how there are exactly 3 scum.

Hey, RR. How do you figure that?

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.1

silverspawn (2): Awaclus, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (3): silverspawn, JaketheBaseballGod22, IDontPlayThisGame
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (2): iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671
Not Voting (4): Dylan32, gkrieg13, faust, ashersky

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[faust]

So... I am gone for the evening and all ou manage is a ridiculous RR wagon?

I am mildly disappointed.

Vote: silverspawn

[faust]

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

Explain.

[Awaclus]

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

Explain.

He thinks RR is a mime.

[faust]

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

Explain.

He thinks RR is a mime.

I guess I did not specify that I wanted J Reggie to explain.

[faust]

Actually the R wagon is stupid, but probably town!stupid.

Vote: Space

[faust]

RR wagon, that is.

[ashersky]

vote: faust

[silverspawn]

Too easy.

vote: ashersky

[iguanaiguana]

It's all too easy!

[SpaceAnemone]

Actually the R wagon is stupid, but probably town!stupid.

Vote: Space

I wasn't even on the RR wagon :-P

Where did he get the "exactly three scums" thing from, anyway? Am I missing a joke, or am I missing a piece of set-up info?

[silverspawn]

Either a scum-slip or an RR-slip or an assumption because 3 is certainly the most highest liekiestest

[faust]

It's clearly a joke.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

It's clearly a joke.

I don't get it.

Actually the R wagon is stupid, but probably town!stupid.

Vote: Space

I wasn't even on the RR wagon :-P

Where did he get the "exactly three scums" thing from, anyway? Am I missing a joke, or am I missing a piece of set-up info?

You're not missing any set-up info.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Either a scum-slip or an RR-slip or an assumption because 3 is certainly the most highest liekiestest

". . . exactly 3" sounds too definite to be an assumption.

[SpaceAnemone]

It's clearly a joke.

I don't get it.

Actually the R wagon is stupid, but probably town!stupid.

Vote: Space

I wasn't even on the RR wagon :-P

Where did he get the "exactly three scums" thing from, anyway? Am I missing a joke, or am I missing a piece of set-up info?

You're not missing any set-up info.

Ah, just a sense of humour, then? That's about par for the course.

I'm really not sure how to take it -- on the one hand, it sounds way too definite not to be a scumslip, but on the other hand, it's RR, who says wacky things often.

[ashersky]

vote: silverspawn

[Dylan32]

vote: silverspawn

Nice OMGUS. vote: ashersky

[J Reggie]

vote: ash until you explain your votes.

[Awaclus]

Vote: J Reggie

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Dylan

[silverspawn]

Towny OMGUS, I think. I'll unvote

[gkrieg13]

Boy is this RVS.

[Dylan32]

Boy is this RVS.

I actually don't think I've ever seen this many votes in RVS. Although I do think people are starting to have reasons for the votes more than just being completely random.

[faust]

RVS stopped a long time ago.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

[J Reggie]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

I feel like you're misreading Dylan's post.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

I feel like you're misreading Dylan's post.

How? There's not that much to misread.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

Vote: RR

[Roadrunner7671]

Nice one!

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.2

silverspawn (1): ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, IDontPlayThisGame
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (2): iguanaiguana, Awaclus
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
ashersky (2) Dylan32, J Reggie
Dylan32 (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, gkrieg13

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[LaLight]

Eevee replaces IDontPlayThisGame

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.2.1

silverspawn (1): ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, Eevee
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (2): iguanaiguana, Awaclus
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
ashersky (2) Dylan32, J Reggie
Dylan32 (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, gkrieg13

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[Eevee]

Hi guys! Is there something in the air? You sure seem trigger happy.

If RVS is supposed to be over, I must admit the actual playing hasn't given me any reads or thoughts yet. But this is a very cool group to play with, I'm sure we can find the bad guys if we work together.

[Eevee]

Unvote

[Eevee]

This being RMM, the scum might have vote-modifying roles. Just something to keep in mind.

[J Reggie]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

I feel like you're misreading Dylan's post.

How? There's not that much to misread.

That's what I was wondering. But it seemed like Dylan was accusing ash of omgusing ss, not that Dylan was omgusing ash.

[silverspawn]

How is RVS over?

[J Reggie]

How is RVS over?

People are casting serious votes.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

I feel like you're misreading Dylan's post.

How? There's not that much to misread.

That's what I was wondering. But it seemed like Dylan was accusing ash of omgusing ss, not that Dylan was omgusing ash.

No I mean that voting for someone because they did OMGUS isn't a good reason for voting, so I voted for Dylan because he voted for ashersky because he said ash was OMGUSing.

[J Reggie]

Vote: Dylan

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

I feel like you're misreading Dylan's post.

How? There's not that much to misread.

That's what I was wondering. But it seemed like Dylan was accusing ash of omgusing ss, not that Dylan was omgusing ash.

No I mean that voting for someone because they did OMGUS isn't a good reason for voting, so I voted for Dylan because he voted for ashersky because he said ash was OMGUSing.

Ok, then I was the one doing the misunderstanding.

[faust]

How is RVS over?

You say that and yet you have a read:

Towny OMGUS, I think. I'll unvote

[Eevee]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

[Roadrunner7671]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

Uh...coolio

[gkrieg13]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

That's convenient.  That's the same for me!  Just kidding.

[gkrieg13]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

That's convenient.  That's the same for me!  Just kidding.

Although, you should actually pass that item to me...

[faust]

We cannot pass items.

[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, the discussion of items implies we're moving towards setup discussion territory, which is more my kind of thing than RVS :-)

Actually, the first thing before that to talk about is the flavour. Who's familiar with the flavour? I ended up watching all of Stranger Things because of that RMM, but having looked up Gravity Falls, I'm really not sure it looks enough like my kind of thing.

[Roadrunner7671]

Not familiar at all.

[Eevee]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

That's convenient.  That's the same for me!  Just kidding.

Far from convenient if you ask me!

[Eevee]

If anyone has a way of stealing items, taking mine and giving it to gkrieg would be pro-town. Unless you'd believe me anyways. (Again worried how scum might be able to influence any transactions.)

[gkrieg13]

If anyone has a way of stealing items, taking mine and giving it to gkrieg would be pro-town. Unless you'd believe me anyways. (Again worried how scum might be able to influence any transactions.)

You should be able to give it.

[Eevee]

If anyone has a way of stealing items, taking mine and giving it to gkrieg would be pro-town. Unless you'd believe me anyways. (Again worried how scum might be able to influence any transactions.)

You should be able to give it.

Why so? First post says:

Items
There are some items in this game. Unless otherwise stated, players may not pass items to other players.

[iguanaiguana]

 

[SpaceAnemone]

Either a scum-slip or an RR-slip or an assumption because 3 is certainly the most highest liekiestest

". . . exactly 3" sounds too definite to be an assumption.

Hey, how did RR's potential scumslip manage to slip out of this game's working memory. I'm not really buying PR-slip excuse because it's an RMM: we can assume we're pretty much all PRs of one sort or another, and I certainly didn't get information about how many scums there are in the game...

@RR: can you explain yourself?

[iguanaiguana]

I think he probably just assumed there are three because there are often three. Or, if he's scum, he assumed we know there are three because often we know there are three. Roadrunner has made many worse 'scumslips' than this as town. Not a good reason to lynch him.

[iguanaiguana]

I know you didn't ask me to explain but I stepped in because historically when people ask roadrunner to explain himself it ends with him getting lynched and that's boring.

[gkrieg13]

Ah.  I missed the item-passing memo, and was just looking at the action resolution.

[Roadrunner7671]

Ugh that was a joke guys

[Eevee]

Ugh that was a joke guys

From me? Unfortunately not.

[iguanaiguana]

Ugh that was a joke guys

The king of irony.

[Roadrunner7671]

Ugh that was a joke guys

From me? Unfortunately not.

No, my 'I know exactly how many scum there are xD thing'

[iguanaiguana]

Ugh that was a joke guys

From me? Unfortunately not.

So how do we know you aren't just a scum who is going to do the night kill?

[Roadrunner7671]

Ugh that was a joke guys

From me? Unfortunately not.

So how do we know you aren't just a scum who is going to do the night kill?

Cause he admitted to it! That's like, WIFOM dude!

[J Reggie]

Yeah, it's the exact same scumslip I made when I was faking a scumslip. I kind of assumed he was referencing that.

[Roadrunner7671]

In all seriousness though, I'm inclined to believe Eevee for now though. If there were to be a cop or tracker, I'd assume they'd be inclined to believe Eevee too.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yeah, it's the exact same scumslip I made when I was faking a scumslip. I kind of assumed he was referencing that.

You really think highly of my memory and ability to make connections 

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Okay, the discussion of items implies we're moving towards setup discussion territory, which is more my kind of thing than RVS :-)

Actually, the first thing before that to talk about is the flavour. Who's familiar with the flavour? I ended up watching all of Stranger Things because of that RMM, but having looked up Gravity Falls, I'm really not sure it looks enough like my kind of thing.

I know nothing about the flavor. Also my item is pretty bad too.

[Dylan32]

I have no idea what the flavor is.

[Roadrunner7671]

my item is pretty bad too.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy???

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

my item is pretty bad too.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy???

Lets just say that it tells people lots of things.

Why you wanna know soooo bad RR. Role hunting scum?

[Roadrunner7671]

No, why would you reveal that about your item?

I'm starting to wonder why everyone is having trouble understanding me. It must be the fault of everyone else though, and not mine.

[silverspawn]

How is RVS over?

You say that and yet you have a read:

Towny OMGUS, I think. I'll unvote

Yeah but I want to hear his reasons.

[faust]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

Two questions.

1. What is the flavor of the item that does this?
2. Will you be shown to target the nightkill instead of your actual target or in addition to your actual target?

[Eevee]

Ugh that was a joke guys

From me? Unfortunately not.

So how do we know you aren't just a scum who is going to do the night kill?

I guess you make a read. This item is obviously anti-town, so I guess we have some good stuff to make up for it. I thought it better to claim it before there was a result, interestingly my predecessor wasn't going to, as far as I can tell.

If there is an item cop or something of that sort, I would make for a good target I guess.

[Eevee]

Due to an item I hold, I'm a miller, and also any tracking role will show me targeting the player that was night killed.

Two questions.

1. What is the flavor of the item that does this?
2. Will you be shown to target the nightkill instead of your actual target or in addition to your actual target?

It's a t-shirt with some kind of a joke text I don't really understand. I understood that I would only be shown targeting the night kill, but I'll ask for clarification.

[faust]

Eevee posting this after subbing in makes it more believable I think - it means that it clearly wasn't something that they talked about in the scum QT.

[faust]

There is a nonzero chance that Eevee is actually holding this anti-town item as scum, but it's hard for me to see why LaLight would do this.

[faust]

I don't know anything about Gravity Falls flavor btw. Though in an unrelated conversation only two days ago, someone told me that it's good.

[faust]

My current town reads are Eevee, RR, ash, in order of how strongly I feel about them.

[silverspawn]

There is a nonzero chance that Eevee is actually holding this anti-town item as scum, but it's hard for me to see why LaLight would do this.

Because items have been distributed randomly. I believe Eevee has this item, but I would only give mild towncred.

[faust]

More questions about Eevee's item:

Will you be shown targeting any player who died that night, only the players that were killed, or only the nightkill target from a specific faction? If the latter is the case, do you know what the faction is called?

[faust]

There is a nonzero chance that Eevee is actually holding this anti-town item as scum, but it's hard for me to see why LaLight would do this.

Because items have been distributed randomly. I believe Eevee has this item, but I would only give mild towncred.

How do you know this? Or is it just a theory? Because I don't see anything about this in the setup post.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.3

silverspawn (1): ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (2): iguanaiguana, Awaclus
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
ashersky (2) Dylan32, J Reggie
Dylan32 (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (3): silverspawn, gkrieg13, Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[silverspawn]

There is a nonzero chance that Eevee is actually holding this anti-town item as scum, but it's hard for me to see why LaLight would do this.

Because items have been distributed randomly. I believe Eevee has this item, but I would only give mild towncred.

How do you know this? Or is it just a theory? Because I don't see anything about this in the setup post.

I don't know, I mean it in the sense of "Why did this happen?" – "Well, here is a way that could have happened." And random distribution isn't unusual, is it?

[Eevee]

There is a nonzero chance that Eevee is actually holding this anti-town item as scum, but it's hard for me to see why LaLight would do this.

Because items have been distributed randomly. I believe Eevee has this item, but I would only give mild towncred.

How do you know this? Or is it just a theory? Because I don't see anything about this in the setup post.

I don't know, I mean it in the sense of "Why did this happen?" – "Well, here is a way that could have happened." And random distribution isn't unusual, is it?

The items were either splitted between factions or not. I would guess that a split is more likely, but we don't know. Unless the mod would tell us?

[Eevee]

Eevee posting this after subbing in makes it more believable I think - it means that it clearly wasn't something that they talked about in the scum QT.

If someone likes analyzing wifom arguments, I'll just add that I've never really done anything like this as scum. I generally try to lie as little as possible.

[LaLight]

Unless the mod would tell us?

No comments.

[ashersky]

unvote

[ashersky]

I should be more available now.  Was indisposed for the past few days, am recovering. 

I believe Eevee's item claim as existing.  Not sure if it is alignment-indicative, but it was protown to claim.

I know the flavor a bit.  Funny cartoon.

[Eevee]

More questions about Eevee's item:

Will you be shown targeting any player who died that night, only the players that were killed, or only the nightkill target from a specific faction? If the latter is the case, do you know what the faction is called?

Got an answer to your earlier question, I would only be shown to target the night kill.

As for this question, I understood it's the latter but I wasn't told what they are called. It's implied that scum doesn't have the potential for an ability to ever double kill though, I guess.

[faust]

There is a nonzero chance that Eevee is actually holding this anti-town item as scum, but it's hard for me to see why LaLight would do this.

Because items have been distributed randomly. I believe Eevee has this item, but I would only give mild towncred.

How do you know this? Or is it just a theory? Because I don't see anything about this in the setup post.

I don't know, I mean it in the sense of "Why did this happen?" – "Well, here is a way that could have happened." And random distribution isn't unusual, is it?

I believe in Intelligent Design.

There isn't really a reason to do random distribution if A) You're not going to tell people and B) The setup won't be re-run.

[iguanaiguana]

I agree with Faust.

[gkrieg13]

Town reads on iguana and Eevee. Glad to see that reptile again.

Not so sure about ash, but for now Faust is giving townie vibes as well.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote Count 1.3

silverspawn (1): ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (2): JaketheBaseballGod22,
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (2): iguanaiguana, Awaclus
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
ashersky (2) Dylan32, J Reggie
Dylan32 (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, gkrieg13, Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

It says 'RR' 2, but Jake appears to be the only one voting for me

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.3

silverspawn (1): ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (2): JaketheBaseballGod22,
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (2): iguanaiguana, Awaclus
SpaceAnemone (1): faust
ashersky (2) Dylan32, J Reggie
Dylan32 (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (2): silverspawn, gkrieg13, Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

It says 'RR' 2, but Jake appears to be the only one voting for me

Thanks, fixed. Also fixed the number of non-voters.

[silverspawn]

I don't agree, I'd bet on a random distribution. But we can still give Eevee some town cred.

[faust]

I don't agree, I'd bet on a random distribution. But we can still give Eevee some town cred.

What for?

[silverspawn]

Err, for the chance that the distribution wasn't random. That I believe it was doesn't mean he doesn't get any town cred, just not that much.

You can even math that out, it's the law of total probability! P(Eevee is scum) = P(Eevee is scum | distribution was random) * P(distribution was random) + P(Eevee is scum | Distribution was not random) * P(Distribution was not random) ≈ 0,25 * 0,7 + 0,1 * 0,3 = 0,175 + 0,03 = 0,178 < 0,25.

Alas, he's now only ~18% scum as supposed to ~25%.

[Roadrunner7671]

supposed to ~25%.

I can confirm that there are 3 scum so anyone has a 25% chance of being scum. You don't need to approximate sign, buddy.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

supposed to ~25%.

I can confirm that there are 3 scum so anyone has a 25% chance of being scum. You don't need to approximate sign, buddy.

Because you are scum??? scumslip???

[Roadrunner7671]

supposed to ~25%.

I can confirm that there are 3 scum so anyone has a 25% chance of being scum. You don't need to approximate sign, buddy.

Because you are scum??? scumslip???

I would've gotten away with it too of it weren't for you meddling kids!

[silverspawn]

I had ~25 because if there are 3 scum it's less but there might be more than 3.

Not sure what to make of RR's claim. Can't come from scum, can it?

[faust]

Not sure what to make of RR's claim. Can't come from scum, can it?

Why not? I don't think that alone is particularly alignment-indicative.

[Roadrunner7671]

Ugh that was a joke guys

[Awaclus]

Ugh that was a joke guys

What was a joke?

[silverspawn]

vote: RR. the first joke was towny, the second one is scummy.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

[gkrieg13]

To me it just seems extremely anti-town, and he should stop.  Not sure it is scummy from him though

[faust]

Vote: Dylan

[faust]

To me it just seems extremely anti-town, and he should stop.  Not sure it is scummy from him though

I don't see anything anti-town about it (other than he could do more productive things, but so could a lot of people).

[faust]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

[SpaceAnemone]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

Really? My thought process is quite similar. The only reason I haven't voted yet is because I'm having a hard time keeping games straight in my head right now and so I feel the need to be extra-careful.

[ashersky]

vote: dylan

[Roadrunner7671]

I like my Dylan vote still.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Dylan

Wagons!

[J Reggie]

I don't think Eevee's claim makes him any more towny during the day. RR playing up his scumslip as a joke makes him more scummy. Jake is less crazy than I remember . And I don't see what's so scummy about Dylan's post.

[gkrieg13]

I don't think Eevee's claim makes him any more towny during the day. RR playing up his scumslip as a joke makes him more scummy. Jake is less crazy than I remember . And I don't see what's so scummy about Dylan's post.

Jake got a lot better at mafia.

[iguanaiguana]

I don't see what's so scummy about Dylan's post.

I will tell you later.

[SpaceAnemone]

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Is this what people are scumreading?

I do feel like RR has been a bit odd. He opened with a vote on our IC, and seems to be drawing out this "exactly three scums" thing in a very odd manner. Either he has no setup information and is making a really bad joke, or he has extra information as town (in which case why not just imply it's something his role knows, instead of pretending it's some kind of joke?), or he's scum and knows how many partners he has.

Are the people who read RR better than I do really sure he's being townie?

[Eevee]

I think this is likelier to come from town, but not definitively.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think this is likelier to come from town, but not definitively.

Does it do anything other than actively hurt town by being confusing and spreading possible misinformation, though?

[J Reggie]

I think this is likelier to come from town, but not definitively.

What is this?

[Eevee]

I think this is likelier to come from town, but not definitively.

Does it do anything other than actively hurt town by being confusing and spreading possible misinformation, though?

No.

[Eevee]

I think this is likelier to come from town, but not definitively.

What is this?

Means it could be just scumRR having fun as well. Not a good alignment tell at this point in my opinion.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm gonna Unvote on RR and here's why. I think scum RR would most definitely not  play this way. also (hot take here) RR may have actually claimed at the start before realizing he made a mistake doing it and is now trying to cover it up as a joke. To make the joke more believable he's playing with a "carefree" attitude  to make the joke more believable. <-- (probably crazy untrue conspiracy theory but MaYbE???)

[gkrieg13]

Will get to this tomorrow.

[gkrieg13]

I think Eevee, RR, and Jake are town.

[gkrieg13]

I don't agree, I'd bet on a random distribution. But we can still give Eevee some town cred.

This is such a weird stance.  Has anyone ever randomly distributed items?

[gkrieg13]

faust also seems town.  Ash seems scummy.

[gkrieg13]

I'm on the fence about silver, and don't remember anything else from my very brief reread.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.4

Roadrunner7671 (2): silverspawn, Dylan32
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (1): Awaclus
ashersky (1) J Reggie
Dylan32 (4): Roadrunner7671, faust, ashersky, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (3): gkrieg13, Eevee, JaketheBaseballGod22

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[silverspawn]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

[faust]

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Is this what people are scumreading?

I do feel like RR has been a bit odd. He opened with a vote on our IC, and seems to be drawing out this "exactly three scums" thing in a very odd manner. Either he has no setup information and is making a really bad joke, or he has extra information as town (in which case why not just imply it's something his role knows, instead of pretending it's some kind of joke?), or he's scum and knows how many partners he has.

Are the people who read RR better than I do really sure he's being townie?

Odd != scummy.

Why would scum ever want to vote for the IC? Why would they talk about how many partners they have as scum? Once you realize that the answer to this can only be "to emulate their town play", you should ralize that it may just as well be their town play.

[faust]

If you look at M91, RR's last scum game that I remember, you'll see that he played it very differently.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

If you look at M91, RR's last scum game that I remember, you'll see that he played it very differently.

He played by not playing. Not what he's doing here.

[Awaclus]

If you look at M91, RR's last scum game that I remember, you'll see that he played it very differently.

A lot of the time you avoid doing what you did in your last scum game though.

[ashersky]

I feel like there is not a lot of content given the number of posts posted.  Including from me.

Might be normal, but just a feeling.  Like, nothing really to garner reactions or responses.

If we had an IC, they could really step up and lead here.  Oh well.

[Awaclus]

Might be normal

No it's RMM.

[faust]

Might be normal

No it's RMM.

Awaclus is working hard to increase the content per post ratio!

So am I , I know...

[faust]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

Let me get this straight: You thought that RR has a role that makes him know exactly how many scum there are?

[Awaclus]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

Let me get this straight: You thought that RR has a role that makes him know exactly how many scum there are?

I mean, I did think that he was claiming that at first.

[Awaclus]

Would have been a pretty good claim too, he could have said that the first joke was breadcrumbing.

[faust]

vote: RR. the first joke was towny, the second one is scummy.

This quote does not fit with what silver said above... If you say "the first joke was towny", then it seems you are saying that it was towny as a joke, and not as something you believe to be a claim. Can you please clarify what you mean?

[faust]

I guess it's just confusing to me how people would think that, and to me it seems more likely to be believed as such by a person who knows that the information is accurate.

[silverspawn]

I am also quite confused by how silver goes from "RR's behaviour can't come from scum" to voting him and would like to hear more about that thought process.

It was towny while I thought it was a claim, it got scummy as he made it into another "joke"

Let me get this straight: You thought that RR has a role that makes him know exactly how many scum there are?

Well, when RR first said he knew how many scum there are and then said it was a joke, I think that was nullishish maybe 1/2 town points, when he said it again I thought he was serious which would be towny, but joking again is eh.

[SpaceAnemone]

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Is this what people are scumreading?

I do feel like RR has been a bit odd. He opened with a vote on our IC, and seems to be drawing out this "exactly three scums" thing in a very odd manner. Either he has no setup information and is making a really bad joke, or he has extra information as town (in which case why not just imply it's something his role knows, instead of pretending it's some kind of joke?), or he's scum and knows how many partners he has.

Are the people who read RR better than I do really sure he's being townie?

Odd != scummy.

Yes, and I chose my word carefully for that reason.

Why would scum ever want to vote for the IC?

The reason that comes readily to mind is that they realise they need to be seen as a bit wacky this game to cover scumslips, and start the play accordingly. Granted, that's a level of planning that I don't necessarily ascribe to RR just now, but it's certainly a motivation.

Once you realize that the answer to this can only be "to emulate their town play", you should ralize that it may just as well be their town play.

I was under the impression that RR tracks his perceived meta and mixes is up a bit from game to game anyway, which means this kind of justification doesn't work so well.

I guess I'm only making these points to express frustration, and to express that I don't think it's very justifiable to scumread people who've decided to use RR's weird behaviour as a reason to vote.

[iguanaiguana]

Jake, Dylan, Space, J Reggie, Ash, Awaclus are all lurky.

Awaclus lurking and joke posting is normal.
Early game Ash lurking is not unusual. I want to see more content from the others.

Commenting on the Roadrunner non-situation shouldn't count as ccontributing- that is how scum can easily hide with meaningless contributions.

Those are my only thoughts.  Nothing else to go off of yet from my perspective at least.

Edit: space just posted something.

[iguanaiguana]

Sorry I forgot the PPE acronym so I used edit instead.

[Eevee]

Iguana seems towny.

[faust]

Space is mildly towny.

I guess I'm only making these points to express frustration, and to express that I don't think it's very justifiable to scumread people who've decided to use RR's weird behaviour as a reason to vote.

You are frustrated with RR? Or with me?

I think it's possible to get information on alignment form the way people reacted to the RR thing, and it confuses me that you disagree.

[faust]

Dylan's absence after becoming to main wagon is... notable.

[Eevee]

Dylan's absence after becoming to main wagon is... notable.

What could it mean?

Agree with you about Space. I've never been good at reading RR though, somehow not getting very strong feelings about this.

[faust]

Dylan's absence after becoming to main wagon is... notable.

What could it mean?

Probably nothing. It could be trying to keep a low profile until people move elsewhere, but as far as I can tell, he has just been absent from the forums in general.

[ashersky]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

[Eevee]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

That might be a fun gamble. Could really hurt us, or really work out well.

[J Reggie]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

That seems wasteful.

[Awaclus]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

That raises the question: why do we keep talking about it if the conclusion is always that we won't do it?

[Roadrunner7671]

I was under the impression that RR tracks his perceived meta and mixes is up a bit from game to game anyway

You make me laugh SA 

[Roadrunner7671]

Commenting on the Roadrunner non-situation shouldn't count as ccontributing- that is how scum can easily hide with meaningless contributions.

I completely agree, which is actually sort of why I didn't say anything after my most recent 'joke.'

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I dislike the idea of a no lynch since it's a big game. What reasons would there be to do one?

[faust]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

[ashersky]

I dislike the idea of a no lynch since it's a big game. What reasons would there be to do one?

The usual arguments for are that RMMs are about nights, so having a night before the game "starts" is generally more beneficial.

Even numbers means we can "afford" a day without a lynch without affecting LYLO.

Having an IC can change this if we think he's just the NK tonight.

[ashersky]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

An IC who has worse reads than everyone (by default) and isn't interested in the game does not make no lynch worse.  I think it'd be the best scenario where we have day start with the IC gone and a night's worth of results.

[Eevee]

I think losing gkrieg would be a big loss for us. Makes me less interested in the no lynch.

[gkrieg13]

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

An IC who has worse reads than everyone (by default) and isn't interested in the game does not make no lynch worse.  I think it'd be the best scenario where we have day start with the IC gone and a night's worth of results.

I'm definitely interested in this game.

[SpaceAnemone]

I guess I'm only making these points to express frustration, and to express that I don't think it's very justifiable to scumread people who've decided to use RR's weird behaviour as a reason to vote.

You are frustrated with RR? Or with me?

Not you, certainly. Mainly just with the fact that people say silly/"humorous" things and then don't answer direct questions with unambiguous answers in a way that could clear up the uncertainty. This may be a frustration that extends beyond mafia, too ;-)

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah I think i'll pass on the no lynch idea.

[Dylan32]

Sorry I haven't been engaged. Last weekend consisted of me backing out of all my prior commitments to work on homework and still ending up staying up til 5:30 am Tuesday morning before the work was due.  Plus, whatever scraps of free time I've had to do domimion/f.ds related stuff this week has almost entirely been dedicated to finishing up several league matches here during the last week of the season (or the week after it, whichever the case may be).  That season is done, the worst part of my schedule (as far as I can tell so far) is over, and I'm back.

[Dylan32]

I disagree that commenting on the RR non-situation shouldn't count as contributing. People have opinions on it, some people had different opinions, and therefore it was useful to have people talk about it.

I don't know whether LL would randomize or pick item assignments, but I think either way Eevee is townie for sharing what he has.  I don't think scum would probably even think about sharing that info since they might assume having anti-town items is a given for scum.  Plus, with Eevee saying that he would be a good target for a cop, I don't think scum would volunteer for that.  Although I guess if they have like a ninja role or some ability that screws with cop results, they might see that as a way to become a pseudo-IC.

[faust]

I disagree that commenting on the RR non-situation shouldn't count as contributing.

You definitely exceeded the permitted quota of negations per character there.

[faust]

If you call the RR stuff a non-situation, then why are you voting for him? Seems very much like a situation to me.

[faust]

Plus, with Eevee saying that he would be a good target for a cop, I don't think scum would volunteer for that.

I think you should reread what Eevee's claim means. His claim means he's the second-worst Cop target in the game.

[iguanaiguana]

If you call the RR stuff a non-situation, then why are you voting for him? Seems very much like a situation to me.

I think he copy pasted or word for word retyped a phrase I used earlier without quoting it. I was the one who called it a non-situation.

[faust]

So what do people think about Dylan coming in and commenting on every discussion we had, but completely ignoring the fact the he's the leading wagon?

[faust]

If you call the RR stuff a non-situation, then why are you voting for him? Seems very much like a situation to me.

I think he copy pasted or word for word retyped a phrase I used earlier without quoting it. I was the one who called it a non-situation.

Yeah, but why would he reuse that word if he does not think it's a non-situation? I know I wouldn't call it that.

[Eevee]

So what do people think about Dylan coming in and commenting on every discussion we had, but completely ignoring the fact the he's the leading wagon?

For me, as scum I make a conscious effor to be nonchalant about such things, whereas no filter town me is more likely to express frustration over it.

[J Reggie]

Yeah, I think Dylan is slightly scummy for totally ignoring the wagon.

[gkrieg13]

Ok here is my IC reread:

RR does a ton of stupid jokey stuff.  Once again, I think it is anti-town, and he should probably stop because it gets people way off-track, and it doesn't look like he is doing to see people's reactions but just to do it.  But I think he does it as town more often.  Although he does play like this as scum sometimes.  Still, townie on RR.

iguana also seems like his care-free town self.

Space looking into the RR thing of exactly three scum seems pretty townie from them. 

Awaclus also seems townie from his Awaclusness.

Jake voting for RR also seems townie from him.

Oh ya, Eevee also seems townie from the item thing and from the posts in general.  '

faust just seems fausty. Still null from him.

J Reggie seems null so far.   His posts about voting and such are pretty much just informational.

Dylan is surprisingly absent from the entire game.

@faust, why do you feel ash is townie?  I am just about to put together a case on him.

silver also seems to be in the could-be-scum bucket for right now.

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Interesting that this quote shows that Dylan has at least been following along in the game, but just not posting.  This isn't super scummy from him, because he usually follows along and posts as scum.

Space asking for how other people read RR is kind of strange. 

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Is this what people are scumreading?

I do feel like RR has been a bit odd. He opened with a vote on our IC, and seems to be drawing out this "exactly three scums" thing in a very odd manner. Either he has no setup information and is making a really bad joke, or he has extra information as town (in which case why not just imply it's something his role knows, instead of pretending it's some kind of joke?), or he's scum and knows how many partners he has.

Are the people who read RR better than I do really sure he's being townie?

I'm not really sure how to read it.

I'm gonna Unvote on RR and here's why. I think scum RR would most definitely not  play this way. also (hot take here) RR may have actually claimed at the start before realizing he made a mistake doing it and is now trying to cover it up as a joke. To make the joke more believable he's playing with a "carefree" attitude  to make the joke more believable. <-- (probably crazy untrue conspiracy theory but MaYbE???)

I like this from Jake.

I feel like there is not a lot of content given the number of posts posted.  Including from me.

Might be normal, but just a feeling.  Like, nothing really to garner reactions or responses.

If we had an IC, they could really step up and lead here.  Oh well.

This just seems weird from ash.  Why would you goad the IC?  This is part of what gives me my scum read on ash.  This is something he does as scum more than town.

Jake, Dylan, Space, J Reggie, Ash, Awaclus are all lurky.

Awaclus lurking and joke posting is normal.
Early game Ash lurking is not unusual. I want to see more content from the others.

Commenting on the Roadrunner non-situation shouldn't count as ccontributing- that is how scum can easily hide with meaningless contributions.

Those are my only thoughts.  Nothing else to go off of yet from my perspective at least.

Edit: space just posted something.

This is townie from iguana.  Iguana likes to look like he isn't trying that hard, but actually does try to get good reads.

Space is mildly towny.

I guess I'm only making these points to express frustration, and to express that I don't think it's very justifiable to scumread people who've decided to use RR's weird behaviour as a reason to vote.

You are frustrated with RR? Or with me?

I think it's possible to get information on alignment form the way people reacted to the RR thing, and it confuses me that you disagree.

What has made Space mildly townie?  It seems like they are just going along with what other people are saying, instead of actually doing the work themselves.

I'm also surprised that ash brings up a no-lynch with an IC.  It just seems like a terrible idea.

I disagree that commenting on the RR non-situation shouldn't count as contributing. People have opinions on it, some people had different opinions, and therefore it was useful to have people talk about it.

I don't know whether LL would randomize or pick item assignments, but I think either way Eevee is townie for sharing what he has.  I don't think scum would probably even think about sharing that info since they might assume having anti-town items is a given for scum.  Plus, with Eevee saying that he would be a good target for a cop, I don't think scum would volunteer for that.  Although I guess if they have like a ninja role or some ability that screws with cop results, they might see that as a way to become a pseudo-IC.

Sort of scummy that Dylan knows exactly what is going on in the game but doesn't comment more than this.  I mean if I had to pick out the main points from the game so far, these would be the two.  Shows he has been following but not commenting.

So that is my reread of the game.  I'll put together a case on ash next.

[gkrieg13]

Ash only has 9 posts this whole game:

vote: faust

vote: silverspawn

unvote

I should be more available now.  Was indisposed for the past few days, am recovering. 

I believe Eevee's item claim as existing.  Not sure if it is alignment-indicative, but it was protown to claim.

I know the flavor a bit.  Funny cartoon.

vote: dylan

I feel like there is not a lot of content given the number of posts posted.  Including from me.

Might be normal, but just a feeling.  Like, nothing really to garner reactions or responses.

If we had an IC, they could really step up and lead here.  Oh well.

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

I dislike the idea of a no lynch since it's a big game. What reasons would there be to do one?

The usual arguments for are that RMMs are about nights, so having a night before the game "starts" is generally more beneficial.

Even numbers means we can "afford" a day without a lynch without affecting LYLO.

Having an IC can change this if we think he's just the NK tonight.

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

An IC who has worse reads than everyone (by default) and isn't interested in the game does not make no lynch worse.  I think it'd be the best scenario where we have day start with the IC gone and a night's worth of results.

So all ash has done this game is voted for 3 people, while giving out one town read, then talking about this no lynch stuff.  Ash does like crazy setup stuff, but I feel like he at least has a little more interaction with people and actual reads by this point. 

Also his points that the IC has worse reads that everyone isn't really true.  It means that an average IC will have slightly worse reads (I mean at this point it is like super slightly worse) than average town (meaning they are just getting reads at random).  But at this point, having an IC is definitely better than not having an IC, and not having any day information from wagons and such.

So even if he has been caught up in stuff IRL, he still just doesn't have any interactions with people.  Not explaining votes is fine when you are being somewhat active, but when that is almost half of what you post, and then don't post about anything that is going on in the game, it starts to be pretty scummy.

[gkrieg13]

Also Happy Birthday Space!

[Eevee]

Vote: ash

[Dylan32]

If you call the RR stuff a non-situation, then why are you voting for him? Seems very much like a situation to me.

I think he copy pasted or word for word retyped a phrase I used earlier without quoting it. I was the one who called it a non-situation.

Yeah I was using your wording. I like taking what people say and using it in an ironic/tongue-in-cheek type of way, so I do agree that a "non-situation" is not the right way to describe this, and the contradiction between my description of it and the use of "non-situation"--which you so astutely picked up on, faust--proves my point that it was actually more important than what iguana tried to say. So my word choice did exactly what I meant for it to do.

I'm sorry I'm not getting bent out of shape about being the leading early game wagon.  I've been mislynched so much recently (and correctly lynched once) that I'm just sort of used to being under suspicion.  If this were close to the deadling or intent to lynch or something more, I would be seriously fighting right now, because it would not be good for town to lynch me.  But I haven't seen anyone give a really good reason for being on me yet, so I didn't think it was a big deal.  I'm going to go through and reread how it formed to get a better idea of who might be scum on wagon, because there's probably at least one, but I've got a bunch of people coming over in a couple minutes, so I won't have time for a while today.

[Dylan32]

Re: gkrieg's big reread post comments about me (not quoting for space)

Yes I have had time to follow along. I haven't had a ton of time to put together thoughts that I thought were worth posting besides what I have said. My scum games have easily been my most active games early in D1, with the exception of the squid girl where I ended up accidentally driving a mislynch after misreading basically everybody except you. So yeah I didn't mean to be as absent as I've been, but I didn't want to repeat my performance in squid girl...

[SpaceAnemone]

Also Happy Birthday Space!

Thank you! :-) Sorry that birthday has translated to not-really-doing-forum day as well.

Confusing moment of my super-awesome day: my friend got us tickets to a superb London Philharmonic concert this evening, and there's a bit near the end of Mahler 8 where they start singing about Faust. I'm now so used to faust being a mafia player that other meanings are very much secondary :-P

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ash only has 9 posts this whole game:

vote: faust

vote: silverspawn

unvote

I should be more available now.  Was indisposed for the past few days, am recovering. 

I believe Eevee's item claim as existing.  Not sure if it is alignment-indicative, but it was protown to claim.

I know the flavor a bit.  Funny cartoon.

vote: dylan

I feel like there is not a lot of content given the number of posts posted.  Including from me.

Might be normal, but just a feeling.  Like, nothing really to garner reactions or responses.

If we had an IC, they could really step up and lead here.  Oh well.

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

I dislike the idea of a no lynch since it's a big game. What reasons would there be to do one?

The usual arguments for are that RMMs are about nights, so having a night before the game "starts" is generally more beneficial.

Even numbers means we can "afford" a day without a lynch without affecting LYLO.

Having an IC can change this if we think he's just the NK tonight.

How about no lynch?  We always talk but don't do it for even number RMMs.

PPS would back me.

Well I never tak about it.

Also the fact that we have an IC makes no lynch even worse.

An IC who has worse reads than everyone (by default) and isn't interested in the game does not make no lynch worse.  I think it'd be the best scenario where we have day start with the IC gone and a night's worth of results.

So all ash has done this game is voted for 3 people, while giving out one town read, then talking about this no lynch stuff.  Ash does like crazy setup stuff, but I feel like he at least has a little more interaction with people and actual reads by this point. 

Also his points that the IC has worse reads that everyone isn't really true.  It means that an average IC will have slightly worse reads (I mean at this point it is like super slightly worse) than average town (meaning they are just getting reads at random).  But at this point, having an IC is definitely better than not having an IC, and not having any day information from wagons and such.

So even if he has been caught up in stuff IRL, he still just doesn't have any interactions with people.  Not explaining votes is fine when you are being somewhat active, but when that is almost half of what you post, and then don't post about anything that is going on in the game, it starts to be pretty scummy.

Vote: Ash

[iguanaiguana]

Not convinced to vote Ash at all.  More to say tomorrow maybe.

[Roadrunner7671]

Not convinced to vote Ash at all.  More to say tomorrow maybe.

I'm here as well. I recently became of the opinion that Ash is possibly the best town player on this forum because of the way he plays. From what I remember, this just looks like slightlybusy!Ash, not town!Ash or scum!Ash

[silverspawn]

ash case is super weak.

What's the deal with dylan? The words "beep beep beep" where mentioned (by me) as I just read his posts. I conclude (because I said them) that it was meant to symbolize my scum radar going off.

[faust]

So all ash has done this game is voted for 3 people, while giving out one town read, then talking about this no lynch stuff.  Ash does like crazy setup stuff, but I feel like he at least has a little more interaction with people and actual reads by this point.

Yes. That is what he does as town usually. That is what he would try to emulate as scum. The fact that he does not is townie if anything (though busy!scum is of course an option as well).

Also his points that the IC has worse reads that everyone isn't really true.  It means that an average IC will have slightly worse reads (I mean at this point it is like super slightly worse) than average town (meaning they are just getting reads at random).  But at this point, having an IC is definitely better than not having an IC, and not having any day information from wagons and such.

Okay, whatever, but how does this have anything to do with ash's alignment?

So even if he has been caught up in stuff IRL, he still just doesn't have any interactions with people.  Not explaining votes is fine when you are being somewhat active, but when that is almost half of what you post, and then don't post about anything that is going on in the game, it starts to be pretty scummy.

Why?

[faust]

A more honest ash case would be LAL.

[faust]

I'm going to go through and reread how it formed to get a better idea of who might be scum on wagon, because there's probably at least one

Is this based on anything, or just a thing you heard people say?

[ashersky]

vote: eevee for the lazy vote.  I'd vote this way no matter who gkrieg had cased.

[silverspawn]

I'm agreeing with ash!! What is happening?

[faust]

Vote: ash

[faust]

I'm agreeing with ash!! What is happening?

Why is this surprising?

[ashersky]

Agree I've been lurking.  I was not "busy" IRL, was unfortunately indisposed, but would rather not discuss.  I am recovering.  Thanks in advance for any concern or well-wishes, so they aren't needed here.

On unsupported votes, they were my first posts of the game.  I basically always vote faust, voted silver as a response to the Faust vote.  The Dylan vote was clear from context.

As for goading the IC, I'm calling out an underactive IC for what it is.  LAL applies as a concept?  Then apply the same standards to everyone, even if we won't lynch an IC (obviously).  And it has been mathematically proven by you math people that ICs are disadvantaged with reads: non-IC town has more knowledge and therefore better odds of finding scum.  That the current IC couldn't help but omgus the goader makes his reads even more suspect, as I'm not convinced he can look clearly, as he must.

No, I'm not as active, and unfortunately won't be for most of D1.  That's no ones fault, and I'm at least posting daily, reading along, etc.

I haven't really developed strong reads, mostly just reacting to specific actions.  Eevee (and Jake) piggyback voting the IC is lazy and scummy (but at least par for Jake's course).  Dylan on RR's oddity is scummy.

J Reggie seems under active.  Faust is towny, he'll probably die N1 or N2 if he keeps it up.  Igu is good.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.

[ashersky]

I skipped the PPEs.

I think my expected reaction is "Faust vote means he's partners with eevee" right?

[silverspawn]

And it has been mathematically proven by you math people that ICs are disadvantaged with reads: non-IC town has more knowledge and therefore better odds of finding scum.

I for one always objected to that logic.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.

No I've been taking a break.

[Awaclus]

And it has been mathematically proven by you math people that ICs are disadvantaged with reads: non-IC town has more knowledge and therefore better odds of finding scum.

I for one always objected to that logic.

But it's perfectly valid.

[faust]

And it has been mathematically proven by you math people that ICs are disadvantaged with reads: non-IC town has more knowledge and therefore better odds of finding scum.

I for one always objected to that logic.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.

No I've been taking a break.

I'm glad you decided to comment on the two least relevant things mentioned in ash's post.

[Eevee]

I believe in voting, it puts information out there in the game. Maybe I can vote in a way that clears me from being scum - at least I see no benefit to not voting, even when there is not a lot of information yet. Our IC made a case on ash, who hasn't seemed towny to me -> I voted. They can't all be the strongest vote ever, got to start somewhere.

I think it's an important distinction that the IC is at least more useful for us than all of the scum, not sure why ash is so eager to antagonize or lose him. It's not the cop or the doctor, but clearly a big positive for us. Especially in the hands of someone like gkrieg who has the ability to lead us. I would say that the IC gets stronger and stronger the further we go in the game. Imagine if we could guarantee an IC at 3 player lylo!

I think we could single out almost anyone for a lackluster performance so far (because it's so early), so it feels unfair to me to do it to only gkrieg. I don't really see a scum motivation, but still bothers me a little.

[Awaclus]

Nolynching is definitely a bad idea right now. If it turns out to be good later, we can make the decision then. If we do it now, we can't unmake the decision later if it turns out to be bad.

[iguanaiguana]

Guys,  Dylan is still scummy, stop getting distracted by the tomfoolery.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm going to go read two Dylan games, town and scum, since I have never played with him I think. Recommendations?

[Eevee]

He was just town in M96.

[Eevee]

Vote: Dylan

The "I didn't want to repeat my past bad performance and drive a mislynch" comment feels scummy to me.

[faust]

I'm going to go read two Dylan games, town and scum, since I have never played with him I think. Recommendations?

I was scum with him in uh a game; let me check.

Oh yeah, it was NM9. Fun times.

[faust]

Guys,  Dylan is still scummy, stop getting distracted by the tomfoolery.

No worries, I am perfectly able to find person A scummy while voting for person B.

[faust]

I don't like Eevee leaving the wagon; it was just starting to get fun and ash just started to act scummy.

[ashersky]

I don't like Eevee leaving the wagon; it was just starting to get fun and ash just started to act scummy.

Good to see the real Faust is back.

[iguanaiguana]

Eevee's sheepy switching doesn't look great, looks worse if Dylan turns out to be town. Just something to note for later. His claim makes me want to give him a d1 pass.

I skimmed squid mafia so I have a little more idea what things Dylan can do to annoy people into lynching him.

My goal this game is to vote for people because of perceived scum motivations rather than their annoying habits that typically get them lynched.

[Eevee]

Fwiw, I would still be interested if more people showed interest in ash as well.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Eevee's sheepy switching doesn't look great, looks worse if Dylan turns out to be town. Just something to note for later. His claim makes me want to give him a d1 pass.

I skimmed squid mafia so I have a little more idea what things Dylan can do to annoy people into lynching him.

My goal this game is to vote for people because of perceived scum motivations rather than their annoying habits that typically get them lynched.

I think his switch looks scummy but overall it doesn't affect my town read on Eevee because of his claim.

[Roadrunner7671]

A more honest ash case would be LAL.

LAL?

[iguanaiguana]

A more honest ash case would be LAL.

LAL?

Lynch all Loadlunners.

[faust]

Fwiw, I would still be interested if more people showed interest in ash as well.

Uh there's already 3 people voting for him; how much more interest do you need?

[Eevee]

Ohhh. I didn't realize it was that high, explains Iguana's post too. My bad.

Vote: ashersky

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.5

Roadrunner7671 (2): silverspawn, Dylan32
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (1): Awaclus
ashersky (4) J Reggie, Eevee, JaketheBaseballGod22, faust
Dylan32 (3): Roadrunner7671, ashersky, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): gkrieg13

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[silverspawn]

vote: Dylan

[Roadrunner7671]

I now prefer the Dylan wagon even more because of the people who are on it.

[Awaclus]

I prefer the J Reggie wagon because of the people who are on it.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ashersky

[ashersky]

vote: ashersky

Worst. IC. Ever.

At least we know you can't take the pressure.

Man, what happened to you and Faust over the past year or so?

[iguanaiguana]

vote: ashersky

Worst. IC. Ever.

At least we know you can't take the pressure.

Man, what happened to you and Faust over the past year or so?

I don't understand why you sometimes make posts like this or what you expect them to accomplish to advance your game.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ashersky

Worst. IC. Ever.

At least we know you can't take the pressure.

Man, what happened to you and Faust over the past year or so?

I actually thought I was already voting for you.  This is also exactly how you act as scum.

[iguanaiguana]

It is how he acts, but he does this as town too
 This is what I'm talking about when I say don't lynch people for their habits.

[ashersky]

vote: ashersky

Worst. IC. Ever.

At least we know you can't take the pressure.

Man, what happened to you and Faust over the past year or so?

I don't understand why you sometimes make posts like this or what you expect them to accomplish to advance your game.

Which part?

The first and second line are complaints of the only player I'm allowed to complain about.

The third is my growing frustration with the way things have been trending with the veteran community here.  I've been nearing a decision to leave f.ds for awhile based on the messages I'm receiving.  I really like the new crop of players, though.

I've put more work, finished and unfinished, into the mafia games community than any other player to date -- Robz, Eevee, et al quit for awhile; I asked for gkrieg and Faust to take on bigger roles -- and yet it's clear to me that only a minority of players want me around, either as a player or a mod.

If it matters, I am a tracker.  But no, I'm sure it doesn't.

[ashersky]

vote: ashersky

Worst. IC. Ever.

At least we know you can't take the pressure.

Man, what happened to you and Faust over the past year or so?

I actually thought I was already voting for you.  This is also exactly how you act as scum.

There was a vote count four posts before yours.  And you thought you were voting me?  Come on man.

[iguanaiguana]

I just don't understand why you would spend your time playing mafia complaining about how people play and not just hunting for the scum.

[ashersky]

I just don't understand why you would spend your time playing mafia complaining about how people play and not just hunting for the scum.

I am hunting.  It's not like I have a bow and sneak around the woods.  I read stuff, see how people post, etc.  isn't that what everyone is doing?

You would have been better off ending your sentence at the word mafia.

Also, apropos of nothing, Dylan has done nothing to change anything.

[iguanaiguana]

I dunno man, I think you might have a bow. I heard you are a tracker.

[ashersky]

I dunno man, I think you might have a bow. I heard you are a tracker.

+1.  I LOLed.

[Roadrunner7671]

Remember Fettuccine Mafia where Ash pretended to be a PR or something and got killed? I feel like that's similar to what he's doing here, except with more frustration. Once we lynch him, there'll be lots of stuff to analyze.

That being said, I don't want to lynch him, but it's looking more and more likely.

[iguanaiguana]

What exactly do you think we would be analyzing, Roadrunner? Your scummy hedging?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

vote: ashersky

Worst. IC. Ever.

At least we know you can't take the pressure.

Man, what happened to you and Faust over the past year or so?

I don't understand why you sometimes make posts like this or what you expect them to accomplish to advance your game.

Which part?

The first and second line are complaints of the only player I'm allowed to complain about.

The third is my growing frustration with the way things have been trending with the veteran community here.  I've been nearing a decision to leave f.ds for awhile based on the messages I'm receiving.  I really like the new crop of players, though.

I've put more work, finished and unfinished, into the mafia games community than any other player to date -- Robz, Eevee, et al quit for awhile; I asked for gkrieg and Faust to take on bigger roles -- and yet it's clear to me that only a minority of players want me around, either as a player or a mod.

If it matters, I am a tracker.  But no, I'm sure it doesn't.

Unvote I want you around. What is RR talking about?

[Roadrunner7671]

What exactly do you think we would be analyzing, Roadrunner? Your scummy hedging?

I'm not hedging. I don't plan on voting for Ash at all today, I just believe that regardless of what I do, he will be lynched.

[Dylan32]

Remember Fettuccine Mafia where Ash pretended to be a PR or something and got killed? I feel like that's similar to what he's doing here, except with more frustration. Once we lynch him, there'll be lots of stuff to analyze.

That being said, I don't want to lynch him, but it's looking more and more likely.

What exactly do you think we would be analyzing, Roadrunner? Your scummy hedging?

Agree this looks bad from RR.

I'm not sure I get why Ash is acting so confrontational here (not sure if this is exactly the word I'm looking for, but whatever).  maybe scummy, but I've only played half a game with him, so I'm not sure.  I don't get why he would want to antagonize the IC so much though, because that seems to just draw the IC's attention away from actually scum hunting onto himself.  It's just weird. But it sounds like there are other factors not limited to the scope of this game, so frankly I don't know what to make of it.

I prefer the J Reggie wagon because of the people who are on it.

Oh yeah, Awaclus is in this game and is still himself.

I'm going to go through and reread how it formed to get a better idea of who might be scum on wagon, because there's probably at least one

Is this based on anything, or just a thing you heard people say?

I'm just assuming that there is at least one scum on a leading early D1 wagon on town.  There might not be, but I'm going to look either way.

Vote: Dylan

RR didn't like the fact I voted for Ash because of his OMGUS.

Vote: Dylan

I think this was because he disagreed with my opinion on RR's repeated joke after I voted for RR.

vote: dylan

This is basically sheeping faust it seems. No explanation anywhere around it.

Vote: Dylan

Wagons!

I don't see what's so scummy about Dylan's post.

I will tell you later.

He never does.  Says I was a little lurky (he wasn't wrong), then:

Guys,  Dylan is still scummy, stop getting distracted by the tomfoolery.

but still never explains. Rereads a past game and says he now knows some of the little things I do that can get me lynched and doesn't say whether or not he was seeing parallels to this game.  Not explaining every detail they saw in the past game is actually sort of townie for him, because scum would probably be more likely to try to force themselves to find a justification for their vote when promising a reread like that.  So the fact he supposedly noticed things and didn't immediately try to make a big deal out of it is probably town.

Vote: Dylan

The "I didn't want to repeat my past bad performance and drive a mislynch" comment feels scummy to me.

Very soon after this, Eevee says he is still open to the Ash wagon.  I know he said he didn't realize it was that two, but making a point to let people know you are ok with both leading wagons seems hedgy in a scummy sort of way.

vote: eevee

PPE 1

[iguanaiguana]

The fact that your post has a PPE implies that you worked on it almost half an hour. That's a lot of effort.

[J Reggie]

Sorry everybody, very busy weekend.  Ash, please don't go yuma on us!  You are very fun to play with and a great mod.  I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.  Although I could see myself switching to Eevee; I think he could pull this kind of stunt as scum.  I was hoping for a scummier response from Dylan after my bait post. 

But what about space?  I haven't seen much of them this game.

[J Reggie]

A more honest ash case would be LAL.

LAL?

I think in this case it would be lynch all lurkers.  Which seems like a bad reason to vote for ash by itself. 

[Awaclus]

The fact that your post has a PPE implies that you worked on it almost half an hour. That's a lot of effort.

I mean, it's a long post. I have spent more than 30 minutes on many of my oneliners.

[SpaceAnemone]

Very sorry for not posting today :-( I'm afraid I've rather lost track of this game for the moment... really sorry! I'll try to get my head back in gear tomorrow if there's time.

PPE: yeah, JR's right about me not being here enough.. sorry again!!

More PPEs: I just want to post this now!

[Dylan32]

The fact that your post has a PPE implies that you worked on it almost half an hour. That's a lot of effort.

Yeah, it took a while, but a couple kids came up to the door selling candy to raise money for a cancer foundation in the middle of working, so there was that too

[faust]

This did not go exactly as planned.

I kind of hoped that, with one conf!town and the most townread player in the game, maybe we could bait scum into joining the ash wagon. I thought that if I joined, people would feel more comfortable sheeping.

That did not happen, and I suppose that in itself is interesting enough (though for some players I guess there just wasn't enough time between me voting ash and the claim). I did think ash's follow-up post to my vote was a bit scummy, but you know, now we should definitely not lynch him. Tracker seems like a bad fakeclaim for scum for a number of reasons.

And then there is Dylan, who is still reasonably scummy. However the wagon so far makes me a bit uncomfortable as these are all people that have not give me any town vibes. If ash is town and Dylan scum, I have a hard time seeing Dylan's partners going for the bus here.

[faust]

I've put more work, finished and unfinished, into the mafia games community than any other player to date -- Robz, Eevee, et al quit for awhile; I asked for gkrieg and Faust to take on bigger roles -- and yet it's clear to me that only a minority of players want me around, either as a player or a mod.

I don't think that is true by the way. I certainly want you around, and I know a lot of people here enjoy your games, and I don't really know how many people enjoy playing with you, but I certainly do. Plus, it would be rude for you to leave before we had the chance to be scum together at least once.

[faust]

I am sorry if my little experiment caused frustration for you. I did think that having more pressure on you would also lead to insightful reactions from your side; my vote certainly had nothing to do with disliking anything about your playstyle.

[ashersky]

I do honestly appreciate the explanation, faust.  Sorry it didn't work -- matter of timing almost, since had I not been around at that time, you might have had the time for reactions to build.  Regardless, I do think there are some conclusions to be drawn.

I think Eevee's vote is the scummiest of the group.  RR does seem to hedge, although it's RR-ish.  Igu never appeared ready or willing to vote for me.  I'm sure there's more to be found on re-read of the few pages that came about.

On a separate note: Dylan came back and responded to stuff.  Appears to be a fair effort at catching up and looking towny.  Am going to take a closer look.

[ashersky]

How have we never been scum together, anyway?  Maybe it'd be unfair.

When gkrieg and I were scum together, we pulled off fake masons for the entire game.  I wonder what we'd get up to.

[ashersky]

Quote is there for the link to the Post.  This is Dylan's long return post.

Reread it, have come to the conclusion that it is textbook IIOA.  He makes a lot of observations but very little in the way of opinions or drawing of conclusions.  It proves he re-read and caught up, but not much else.

[faust]

I think Eevee is officially too scummy to be scum™. I don't think scum!Eevee would play like this; he's usually pretty hard to find as scum.

Also there's the item thingy. I want to look at people that we haven't discussed a lot (like silver or J Reggie).

[Eevee]

I think Eevee is officially too scummy to be scum™. I don't think scum!Eevee would play like this; he's usually pretty hard to find as scum.

Also there's the item thingy. I want to look at people that we haven't discussed a lot (like silver or J Reggie).

When I got townread by so many people, I must admit I consciously tried to change my play style to create more interactions and information, not being my usual rather passive self.

Suffice to say I don't seem to be very good at that. Unvote[/b, tracker seems like a very risky fakeclaim in a RMM day 1, it has potential to really help us with verifying or (falsifying) future claims.

[Eevee]

Unvote

[faust]

Looking at J Reggie. 15 posts, should be quick. The first notable thing:

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

I asked how this post makes sense and never got an answer. Because it really does not make a lot of sense. Plus, third party awareness is generally a bit more of a scum thing.

Votes ash for not explaining votes, which is whatever. Some back and forth with RR.

I don't think Eevee's claim makes him any more towny during the day. RR playing up his scumslip as a joke makes him more scummy. Jake is less crazy than I remember . And I don't see what's so scummy about Dylan's post.

First, what does "towny during the day" even mean...? Are people less or more towny at night or what? Why does Eevee's claim not make him more towny?

The second part is no less baffling. If you think RR's thing was a scumslip, then uh he's scum and what he plays it up as does not really matter. Otherwise it's not a scumslip, which means it was a joke, and cannot be "played up as a joke". Especially weird considering Reggie has previously stated that he thought RR was doing the same thing he did in that one game.

Yeah, I think Dylan is slightly scummy for totally ignoring the wagon.

This is more of sheeping popular opinions. I liked him better when he did not understand why Dylan is scummy.

I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.

The original vote was only because ash did not explain his votes, which he since did. So can you please explain why you think he is the most scummy?

Vote: J Reggie As good a place as any to park my vote for now.

[iguanaiguana]

J Reggie is a vote I can believe in.

Vote: J Reggie

[Eevee]

Vote: J Reggie

[iguanaiguana]

Lal the Faust sheeping is real this game.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.6

iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (4): Awaclus, faust, iguanaiguana, Eevee
ashersky (2) J Reggie, gkrieg13
Dylan32 (3): Roadrunner7671, ashersky, silverspawn
Eevee (1): Dylan32

Not Voting (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT.

[faust]

Ah, look, we only have a bit over a day left.

We will need some serious contributions form Space, J Reggie and RR very soon.

[faust]

I won't be around for the deadline I'm afraid. Will be semi-VLA tomorrow.

[J Reggie]

Looking at J Reggie. 15 posts, should be quick. The first notable thing:

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

I asked how this post makes sense and never got an answer. Because it really does not make a lot of sense. Plus, third party awareness is generally a bit more of a scum thing.

I felt like RR was being intentionally scummy in a way that made the most sense if he was trying to get quicklynched. It's probably a crazy idea but whatever.

I don't think Eevee's claim makes him any more towny during the day. RR playing up his scumslip as a joke makes him more scummy. Jake is less crazy than I remember . And I don't see what's so scummy about Dylan's post.

First, what does "towny during the day" even mean...? Are people less or more towny at night or what? Why does Eevee's claim not make him more towny?

The second part is no less baffling. If you think RR's thing was a scumslip, then uh he's scum and what he plays it up as does not really matter. Otherwise it's not a scumslip, which means it was a joke, and cannot be "played up as a joke". Especially weird considering Reggie has previously stated that he thought RR was doing the same thing he did in that one game.

I was hoping someone would ask me about this. I assumed you all either understood or didn't care. What I meant was I don't think "Eevee it's town because he made this claim", but I do think if a tracker sees him targeting the nk or whatever, they shouldn't immediately think he's scum.

And I felt like RR had made that scumslip, regretted it, and then once people started to think it was a joke, he kept repeating us to convince us of that. But seeing his further posts I'm not so sure of that.

Yeah, I think Dylan is slightly scummy for totally ignoring the wagon.

This is more of sheeping popular opinions. I liked him better when he did not understand why Dylan is scummy.

As I explained before, this post was kind of bait. I was hoping Dylan would come back on, see people saying this, and freak out. But that didn't happen so I'm not sure what to think.

I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.

The original vote was only because ash did not explain his votes, which he since did. So can you please explain why you think he is the most scummy?.

I guess I must have seen other people saying things but not said them myself. I think I'm guilty of that a lot so far this game. I really don't like how ash is so confrontational, especially of the IC. There's no reason to do that. And I feel like he's less solvy than he is as town.

PPE uh oh

[J Reggie]

I'd like to know why space is voting for ii.

[Roadrunner7671]

1. SpaceAnemone-Pretty null here, I don't really remember too much about SA
3. Dylan32-I still don't like that vote he put on ashersky, and I don't really like the reaction to his wagon. That being said, his wagon picked up fairly quickly, so that's in his favor slightly I guess.
4. IDon'tPlayThisGame-Don't really remember much from them either.
5. J Reggie-Seems scummy, which means J Reggie hasn't bee hacked by someone else and replaced. don't really want to vote here though.
6. Jake-I don't know. A little hedgy, but that's not really alignment inductive. Don't want to vote here.
8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?
9. silverspawn-Null.
10. iguanaiguana-Pretty null as well. Not a fan of his rapid changing of votes, but it's D1 and it's iguanaiguana.
11. Awaclus-Pretty null.
12. ashersky-Very ashersky like. I'm not actually towny on him, but I definitely don't want to lynch him because he's not scummy, and a tracker is an asset. ashersky as a player is an asset too.
PPE 2

[faust]

Looking at J Reggie. 15 posts, should be quick. The first notable thing:

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

I asked how this post makes sense and never got an answer. Because it really does not make a lot of sense. Plus, third party awareness is generally a bit more of a scum thing.

I felt like RR was being intentionally scummy in a way that made the most sense if he was trying to get quicklynched. It's probably a crazy idea but whatever.

Sure, but how did you reach the conclusion that scum!RR would be intentionally scummy?

[faust]

Yeah, I think Dylan is slightly scummy for totally ignoring the wagon.

This is more of sheeping popular opinions. I liked him better when he did not understand why Dylan is scummy.

As I explained before, this post was kind of bait. I was hoping Dylan would come back on, see people saying this, and freak out. But that didn't happen so I'm not sure what to think.

How would that have been a desirable outcome?

[faust]

I really don't like how ash is so confrontational, especially of the IC. There's no reason to do that.

What does oyu not liking it have to do with ash's alignment?

[faust]

8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?

Err, hey, gkrieg is welcome to lead. Well, whatever lead means. I don't thiink the IC sharing their reads is very desirable. That is mostly what I am doing.

I don't think this would be a better game if every other post of mine was "Hey gkrieg, how about doing some leading?" instead of its actual content.

[faust]

4. IDon'tPlayThisGame-Don't really remember much from them either.

By the way, Idplay has been replaced by Eevee.

I guess we should rule out an RR/Idplay team.

[J Reggie]

RR what do you think of Eevee?

Looking at J Reggie. 15 posts, should be quick. The first notable thing:

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

I asked how this post makes sense and never got an answer. Because it really does not make a lot of sense. Plus, third party awareness is generally a bit more of a scum thing.

I felt like RR was being intentionally scummy in a way that made the most sense if he was trying to get quicklynched. It's probably a crazy idea but whatever.

Sure, but how did you reach the conclusion that scum!RR would be intentionally scummy?

Honestly I'm not sure what my logic was here.

Yeah, I think Dylan is slightly scummy for totally ignoring the wagon.

This is more of sheeping popular opinions. I liked him better when he did not understand why Dylan is scummy.

As I explained before, this post was kind of bait. I was hoping Dylan would come back on, see people saying this, and freak out. But that didn't happen so I'm not sure what to think.

How would that have been a desirable outcome?

It would have been clear to vote for him.

I really don't like how ash is so confrontational, especially of the IC. There's no reason to do that.

What does oyu not liking it have to do with ash's alignment?

I don't like it because there's no reason to do it as town, so that means ash is probably scum.

8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?

Err, hey, gkrieg is welcome to lead. Well, whatever lead means. I don't thiink the IC sharing their reads is very desirable. That is mostly what I am doing.

I don't think this would be a better game if every other post of mine was "Hey gkrieg, how about doing some leading?" instead of its actual content.

Yeah, Faust is just naturally kind of leader. At least in mafia games, I don't know about in real life. Him doing the leading is definitely not scummy, if not exactly a town tell.

Ppe

[faust]

It would have been clear to vote for him.

So scum!Dylan would have freaked out and town!Dylan would not? IS that what you're saying? If so, why would that be a desirable outcome?

I don't like it because there's no reason to do it as town, so that means ash is probably scum.

Uh that's not how it works.

Yeah, Faust is just naturally kind of leader. At least in mafia games, I don't know about in real life. Him doing the leading is definitely not scummy, if not exactly a town tell.

Funny story: Back at high school, we once had a project to found a student-run company, and I was selected as the boss. It was awful and I vowed never to be in that position again.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay guys, here goes my reread. Fun fact: this is the first post this game I am doing on a PC and not from my phone. I'm going for a hopefully quicker "Notable quotes by each player" format.

First up, Space.

Actually the R wagon is stupid, but probably town!stupid.

Vote: Space

I wasn't even on the RR wagon :-P

Where did he get the "exactly three scums" thing from, anyway? Am I missing a joke, or am I missing a piece of set-up info?

It's clearly a joke.

I don't get it.

Actually the R wagon is stupid, but probably town!stupid.

Vote: Space

I wasn't even on the RR wagon :-P

Where did he get the "exactly three scums" thing from, anyway? Am I missing a joke, or am I missing a piece of set-up info?

You're not missing any set-up info.

Ah, just a sense of humour, then? That's about par for the course.

I'm really not sure how to take it -- on the one hand, it sounds way too definite not to be a scumslip, but on the other hand, it's RR, who says wacky things often.

Slightly scummy posts from Space. They give me an "I know it all but I'm pretending I don't" vibe. Trying to make something out of nothing, deliberately looking for things to solve. Misunderstands why Faust is voting him (Faust was choosing someone who didn't vote RR because he believed that mostly town were on that wagon). Well, that misunderstanding is probably not deliberate. ' There's some heding here too, especially in the second post.

Other things:

Tries to steer the conversation into setup solving, when we don't really know anything about the setup. Then tries to steer the conversation back to the RR scum-slip discussion multiple times, lightly defending Dylan in the process. Claims they haven't voted because they're being 'extra careful'; actually they've just had an RVS vote on me all game. Nothing else but fluff.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Space

[iguanaiguana]

Next up, Roadrunner:

If you read all of his early game posts in sequence, they are clearly all jokes. Everyone, give it a try.

I play more recklessly when I have a role that there's no way can be a fake claim. I mean, look at Stranger Things mafia for starters if you want.

Little bit of a soft claim here. I guess later we'll see if he can back that up.

His early votes on J Reggie and Dylan make perfect sense to me. Making a lot of jokes, but the votes show he's taking the game seriously as far as analyzing other players.

I like my Dylan vote still.

More indication that RR is taking the game seriously. I would put this statement as slightly more likely to come from town!runner than scum!runner.

Remember Fettuccine Mafia where Ash pretended to be a PR or something and got killed? I feel like that's similar to what he's doing here, except with more frustration. Once we lynch him, there'll be lots of stuff to analyze.

That being said, I don't want to lynch him, but it's looking more and more likely.

Don't like this post, but the next post:

What exactly do you think we would be analyzing, Roadrunner? Your scummy hedging?

I'm not hedging. I don't plan on voting for Ash at all today, I just believe that regardless of what I do, he will be lynched.

clarifies his thinking in a way I am satisfied with. Roadrunner has a history of being a bit of a defeatist. Like that time I (town) tunneled him (town) pretty hard and he said "I'm scum," got lynched for it, then after the game clarified that what he meant was "I'm [town, but you're so convinced I'm scum that I may as well be] scum. Yeah, that was frustrating.

Anyway, his defense of Ash is pretty strong and I would say notable. Something to keep in mind for later.

1. SpaceAnemone-Pretty null here, I don't really remember too much about SA
3. Dylan32-I still don't like that vote he put on ashersky, and I don't really like the reaction to his wagon. That being said, his wagon picked up fairly quickly, so that's in his favor slightly I guess.
4. IDon'tPlayThisGame-Don't really remember much from them either.
5. J Reggie-Seems scummy, which means J Reggie hasn't bee hacked by someone else and replaced. don't really want to vote here though.
6. Jake-I don't know. A little hedgy, but that's not really alignment inductive. Don't want to vote here.
8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?
9. silverspawn-Null.
10. iguanaiguana-Pretty null as well. Not a fan of his rapid changing of votes, but it's D1 and it's iguanaiguana.
11. Awaclus-Pretty null.
12. ashersky-Very ashersky like. I'm not actually towny on him, but I definitely don't want to lynch him because he's not scummy, and a tracker is an asset. ashersky as a player is an asset too.
PPE 2

A mix of decent analysis (his comments on Ash and J Reggie are pretty spot-on) and muddled thinking (IDPTG is Eevee, dude; I've only voted for two people this game, Dylan and J Reggie) in here that looks very townie to me.

All in all, I'm mild-mid town on RR, and I would say this is the most pro-town Roadrunner I've seen in quite some time. I'm kinda proud of him, actually. Definitely gets a D1 pass from me. 

[iguanaiguana]

Dylan32: (is they a he?)

vote: silverspawn

Nice OMGUS. vote: ashersky

Don't love this vote. Feels like it's hedging on wanting to be a RVS vote but also clinging to a faint hope of forming a wagon. The stated reason for it is weak IMO.

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

Yeah, I don't like this post at all. Going after Roadrunner for making jokes is just classic playing into the hands of scum on F.DS. The "I didn't really think anything about it the first time" line has a tinge of fakeness to it, and calling RR's play " at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy" is simultaneously hedgy and too strongly worded. It screams to me of scum who wants town to behave badly so that they have an excuse to place a vote.

Could this post come from town? Sure. Especially if they haven't played much with Roadrunner. But I see more scum motivation for the vote; if it's from town, I wish it had been written more thoughtfully.

Re: gkrieg's big reread post comments about me (not quoting for space)

Yes I have had time to follow along. I haven't had a ton of time to put together thoughts that I thought were worth posting besides what I have said. My scum games have easily been my most active games early in D1, with the exception of the squid girl where I ended up accidentally driving a mislynch after misreading basically everybody except you. So yeah I didn't mean to be as absent as I've been, but I didn't want to repeat my performance in squid girl...

Maybe a bit of a towny post. He's got a town-rationale for the way he's playing, at least. But, you can reverse it and apply the same kind of rationale for playing more reserved if he's scum.

[short reread & analyzing the wagon on him]

The post seems rushed. The wagon analysis looks a bit like he's grasping at straws for why any of the votes on him would come from scum. When he lands on Eevee, he doesn't account for much of Eevee's play, and doesn't even mention Eevee's claim. This post is null to me, really.

All in all, I only really see one scummy post from Dylan, and I don't like his lynch as much as I thought I would going into this reread. He's got a bit of an abrasive/confrontational attitude that I saw when I read Squid Girl, so that makes me want to vote him less for having the same attitude here.

[iguanaiguana]

Next up is Eevee/IDPTG!

IDPTG jokes a lot, nothing alignment indicative to me about how he played. This guy seemed to love RVS and perhaps was sad enough when it was over that they wanted to quit.

Eevee comes right out with his claim, I still think it's towny enough for a D1 pass. The posts that follow show he's put some thought into his item. More likely then that the item itself is not a complete fabrication. Of course, scum could hold this item and perhaps have a way to give it to someone else. Wouldn't that be Eeveel?

Fwiw, I would still be interested if more people showed interest in ash as well.

Maybe a little bit of a scummy comment, especially when you put it together with all the other shEepee voting he's done. He's done a lot of "This is how I play as scum, and I'm definitely not playing that way." and "I could vote for him, especially if that's how others want to vote." Both types of comments read mildly scummEe-vee to me. Yeah, if it weren't for the claim, Eevee would be on my lynch list today for sure.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay, J Reggie now:

Says there could be a pretty good case on Roadrunner very early in the game. Yeah, you guessed it, I don't like that. I think that's why I originally voted for him. His later posts however seem to indicate that he may just think differently about RR's jokes than I do. I'm more null on him now.

Sorry everybody, very busy weekend.  Ash, please don't go yuma on us!  You are very fun to play with and a great mod.  I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.  Although I could see myself switching to Eevee; I think he could pull this kind of stunt as scum.  I was hoping for a scummier response from Dylan after my bait post. 

But what about space?  I haven't seen much of them this game.

Mentioning a 'bait post' is a little towny maybe from someone who hasn't spent much effort on the game yet. Does disinterested scum think to lie about making bait posts? Well, maybe they still try to bait someone into saying something scummy. Slightly more likely from town I guess. Also possible he just stole the idea from Faust who mentioned a bait post before he did. Sorry for the insult if that's not true. 

Nothing else of note to me. J Reggie is super-null. Am I voting him? That seems bad

Vote: SpaceAnemone

Let's go with that for now.

[ashersky]

I like that we have some action, didn't realize deadline was so close. 

Has there been more lurking than normal?  Isn't SA much better at posting that this?  That feels off.  Eevee is getting no love, I guess from the item, so whatever.  Jake is also way quiet this game.  RR feels like RR, haven't firmed up a read there.

Basically I have igu as town, a bunch of null, and Dylan and J Reggie at the scummier end of that.  I am in the minority in not Town reading Eevee, so that's something.  Faust feels townier with his recent interrogatory staccato style, which I associate with his town games.

[iguanaiguana]

Jake reread! This guy is the ultimate lurker.

I know nothing about the flavor. Also my item is pretty bad too.

I have a theory about this. No, I won't share it yet. Remind me around mass claim time if I'm still alive.

supposed to ~25%.

I can confirm that there are 3 scum so anyone has a 25% chance of being scum. You don't need to approximate sign, buddy.

Because you are scum??? scumslip???

At least Jake is (probably mostly) joking. While I'm thinking about it, I asked the mod for the previous setup that shared a thread with this one. That setup specified exactly three scum and nine town. I know Roadrunner called his claim a joke, but I'm going to psycho-analyze him anyway and theorize. Possibly Roadrunner was originally remembering the specifics of the previous setup, then when he got called out for a false statement, he got embarassed about being wrong, maybe couldn't even remember why he thought that in the first place, and decided to fall back on "It was a joke, guys" because, well, Roadrunner est quid Roadrunner est.

I'm gonna Unvote on RR and here's why. I think scum RR would most definitely not  play this way. also (hot take here) RR may have actually claimed at the start before realizing he made a mistake doing it and is now trying to cover it up as a joke. To make the joke more believable he's playing with a "carefree" attitude  to make the joke more believable. <-- (probably crazy untrue conspiracy theory but MaYbE???)

Haha, and now I see this. My theory is basically Jake's theory but with more details to support it.

I'm null on everything from Jake. He needs to post. Has it been 24 hours since his last post?

Request Prod on Jake

[iguanaiguana]

Gkrieg is next. I won't analyze the motivations of the IC. I will say, as I read him, he would land very firmly in my 'would-lynch pile' if he weren't IC. Makes me feel not so confident about my reads.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh boy, time to read Faust.

Man, I'm not quoting all those statements.

Here's what I think about Faust. I think his play looks like town play. I've thought that before about him as scum. Way too big of a risk to lynch him today. So he's not on the table. So very much like Eevee, he's not really in my lynch pool today, but that doesn't mean I trust him or think he's necessarily town. And I'll be keeping my eye on him.

I do like his trying to bait people into voting Ash. I think it sucks how it resulted in Ash claiming at L-2, super duper bummer there.

His thing about Eevee playing too scummy to be scum seems likely to be right to me too. Well, unless that's scum!Faust protecting his partner. Ha.

And yeah, I don't like his vote on J Reggie any more after finishing my own reread of J Reggie. 

[silverspawn]

I missed the point when igu got really good at the game!

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Jake reread! This guy is the ultimate lurker.

I know nothing about the flavor. Also my item is pretty bad too.

I have a theory about this. No, I won't share it yet. Remind me around mass claim time if I'm still alive.

supposed to ~25%.

I can confirm that there are 3 scum so anyone has a 25% chance of being scum. You don't need to approximate sign, buddy.

Because you are scum??? scumslip???

At least Jake is (probably mostly) joking. While I'm thinking about it, I asked the mod for the previous setup that shared a thread with this one. That setup specified exactly three scum and nine town. I know Roadrunner called his claim a joke, but I'm going to psycho-analyze him anyway and theorize. Possibly Roadrunner was originally remembering the specifics of the previous setup, then when he got called out for a false statement, he got embarassed about being wrong, maybe couldn't even remember why he thought that in the first place, and decided to fall back on "It was a joke, guys" because, well, Roadrunner est quid Roadrunner est.

I'm gonna Unvote on RR and here's why. I think scum RR would most definitely not  play this way. also (hot take here) RR may have actually claimed at the start before realizing he made a mistake doing it and is now trying to cover it up as a joke. To make the joke more believable he's playing with a "carefree" attitude  to make the joke more believable. <-- (probably crazy untrue conspiracy theory but MaYbE???)

Haha, and now I see this. My theory is basically Jake's theory but with more details to support it.

I'm null on everything from Jake. He needs to post. Has it been 24 hours since his last post?

Request Prod on Jake

My problem is that I haven't played with a majority of the people in this game so I do not know how they play as scum. That said I think for now that J Reggie is looking like my fav to lynch today. Also ummm wow theory thief.

[iguanaiguana]

silverspawn reread!

Null on his early game stuff.

I had ~25 because if there are 3 scum it's less but there might be more than 3.

Not sure what to make of RR's claim. Can't come from scum, can it?

Pretty weird statement. Why so strong so early in the game? Then his switch to voting RR is stranger. Faust already noted this.

ash case is super weak.

What's the deal with dylan? The words "beep beep beep" where mentioned (by me) as I just read his posts. I conclude (because I said them) that it was meant to symbolize my scum radar going off.

A decent post, but I somewhat expect better/more from silver. Not really alignment indicative of anyone, unfortunately. Could be town!silver just observing scummy behavior. Could be scum!silver talking about a partner. Could be scum!silver who found a scummy looking town.


After that post, silver basically disappears other than one naked vote on Dylan. Oh and a compliment just now.

silver is definitely in my lynch pool today. He doesn't like playing scum, and I would expect him to lurk more as scum, especially when he's received only minimal suspicion so far this game.

[iguanaiguana]

I missed the point when igu got really good at the game!

Don't worry silver, I'll screw it all up soon.

[iguanaiguana]

Awaclus reread, haha.

Vote: J Reggie

This is Awaclus' only contribution to the game outside of some high quality humor. We can assume he voted based on this post, as it was J Reggie's most recent post.

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

Rationale? Perhaps that J Reggie said there was "a pretty good case on RR already" after Roadrunner had only spammed 12 joke posts during pseudo-RVS. That's pretty disingenuous.

So Awaclus found a reason to vote for someone, and he hasn't changed his mind yet. The fact that he hasn't taken the bait on ANY of the other wagons that sprung up seems like he's probably town!Awaclus to me. 

[silverspawn]

I haven't said much, but I actually have fairly confident reads on a few players for day 1. Which are town on iguana, faust, and Eevee, and scum on Dylan.

Dylan mostly for this vote:

Yeah, I didn't really think anything about it the first time, but bringing it up again is at best anti-town and at worst completely scummy. vote: RR

they're agreeing with me which is not good because my post didn't really make a lot of sense. And they're apologizing too much.

My post:

vote: RR. the first joke was towny, the second one is scummy.

faust and igu are towny for the classic reason of doing really solid hard to fake stuff. Iguana also has reads very similar to my own which is good. And faust gets further town points for not going after me on various openings, such as subtly including me in the lynch pool for laziness etc.

Eevee is an endorsement of faust's too scummy to be scum point.

[iguanaiguana]

Ashersky reread, the last one, YAY!

I pretty strongly disagree with his no-lynch idea. I think we definitely need to lynch today. Otherwise the game could stagnate even more.

J Reggie seems under active.  Faust is towny, he'll probably die N1 or N2 if he keeps it up.  Igu is good.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.

This is all really good analysis. I associate scum!Ash with emotional manipulation. What I see here is objective reasoning/legit scum hunting.

Not happy about the tracker claim. But it does make him much less likely scum. Tracker is a bad fakeclaim D1, because now we'll be asking about his results and those can be hard to repeatedly fabricate.

This is Dylan's long return post.

Reread it, have come to the conclusion that it is textbook IIOA.  He makes a lot of observations but very little in the way of opinions or drawing of conclusions.  It proves he re-read and caught up, but not much else.

Good analysis of Dylan's post too. IIOA means "Information instead of Analysis" for those of you who are too lazy to look up the acronym.

I won't be lynching Ash today.

Well, I'm done. If I reread you, and it pissed you off, please respond! We need more interaction, and we need to get together and lynch someone ASAP too.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads

IC: Gkrieg
Town: Eevee, Faust, RR, Ash, Jake
Null: SS, awaclus, SA
Null to scum: Iguanaiguana, Dylan
Scum: J Reggie

[iguanaiguana]

One more post.

To summarize Moderate Scum Slight Scum Null Slight Town Strong Town

SpaceAnemone
Dylan32
silverspawn
J Reggie
Jake
Eevee
Faust
Awaclus
Ashersky
Roadrunner
Gkrieg
Iguana

and I really don't like how both of my moderate scums are basically D1 lynchbait.

[silverspawn]

Rainbows!

[iguanaiguana]

Rainbows!

Yeah, how do you feel about being my top lynch candidate who isn't lynchbait though?

[faust]

I missed the point when igu got really good at the game!

Are you just saying that because he puts a lot of work in? Because it is kind of hard to judge how good he is when we don't know if his reads are accurate.

[ashersky]

I missed the point when igu got really good at the game!

Are you just saying that because he puts a lot of work in? Because it is kind of hard to judge how good he is when we don't know if his reads are accurate.

I think it is fair to appreciate his efforts, though.  And I do like his efforts, and his play.  if he's scum doing this, well, it's probably still mostly useful.

[faust]

faust and igu are towny for the classic reason of doing really solid hard to fake stuff. Iguana also has reads very similar to my own which is good.

Uh hm. Thanks, but I don't think anything we have done is all that hard to fake. Especially rereading some players is like the classic simple way for scum to get activity up. Not saying it's bad, of course rereads are also good for town, but you know, quite fakable.

The main reason I see for town!iguana is that iguana really doesn't like being scum, and his activity level suggests that he is enjoying himself.

[faust]

I missed the point when igu got really good at the game!

Are you just saying that because he puts a lot of work in? Because it is kind of hard to judge how good he is when we don't know if his reads are accurate.

I think it is fair to appreciate his efforts, though.  And I do like his efforts, and his play.  if he's scum doing this, well, it's probably still mostly useful.

Yes, of course. I like it and I would like to see it from everyone... but it does not make me think he's town (except for the reason stated above).

[iguanaiguana]

I missed the point when igu got really good at the game!

Are you just saying that because he puts a lot of work in? Because it is kind of hard to judge how good he is when we don't know if his reads are accurate.

I think it is fair to appreciate his efforts, though.  And I do like his efforts, and his play.  if he's scum doing this, well, it's probably still mostly useful.

Yes, of course. I like it and I would like to see it from everyone... but it does not make me think he's town (except for the reason stated above).

Oh Faust, the feeling is ever so mutual 

[ashersky]

So, a list of sorts, with reasoning in parentheses.

I think my not willing to lynch pool is:

Gkrieg (IC)
igu (see previous post)
Faust (towny play, interrogatory style is what I associate with town!faust now, explanation of gambit makes sense)

With everyone else in "would" lynch territory, the best appear to be:

Dylan (reasons oft explained throughout)
SA (lurking wrongly)
J Reggie (posts scummy posts)
Eevee (lazy votes, too scummy to be too scummy to be scum)

Which leaves the following in null but would of course hammer land:

Awaclus (Awaclus)
SS (not present enough to earn a spot in the towny column, hasn't done anything specifically scummy though)
RR (who actually sort of doesn't feel scummy, but that's gut and not based on evidence)
Jake (who is lurkier than I remember, could he be laying low to avoid attention as he always gets lynched?)

[J Reggie]

I don't think ii would post this much as scum. Jake piping up as soon as there's a post about him is kind of scummy.

I'd be happy to lynch ash, but could switch to Jake or space if needed.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.7

iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
J Reggie (3): Awaclus, faust, Eevee
ashersky (2) J Reggie, gkrieg13
Dylan32 (2): , ashersky, silverspawn
Eevee (1): Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (2): Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. Less than 24 hours left.

[Awaclus]

I don't think ii would post this much as scum. Jake piping up as soon as there's a post about him is kind of scummy.

I'd be happy to lynch ash, but could switch to Jake or space if needed.

Why don't you want to lynch J Reggie?

[J Reggie]

I don't think ii would post this much as scum. Jake piping up as soon as there's a post about him is kind of scummy.

I'd be happy to lynch ash, but could switch to Jake or space if needed.

Why don't you want to lynch J Reggie?

Same reason I don't want to lynch gkrieg.

[silverspawn]

faust and igu are towny for the classic reason of doing really solid hard to fake stuff. Iguana also has reads very similar to my own which is good.

Uh hm. Thanks, but I don't think anything we have done is all that hard to fake. Especially rereading some players is like the classic simple way for scum to get activity up. Not saying it's bad, of course rereads are also good for town, but you know, quite fakable.

The main reason I see for town!iguana is that iguana really doesn't like being scum, and his activity level suggests that he is enjoying himself.

You are pretty good at faking genuineness as scum I think, iguana less so. Both of you seem particularly genuine this time. Rereads aren't all equal.

[silverspawn]

Rainbows!

Yeah, how do you feel about being my top lynch candidate who isn't lynchbait though?

Not particularly worried so far.

[Roadrunner7671]

Assuming I have a pretty strong town read on iguana, is it good enough to go off of his rereads or should I do my own?

I'm planning on doing something re-ready tonight but I'm just wondering

[iguanaiguana]

Assuming I have a pretty strong town read on iguana, is it good enough to go off of his rereads or should I do my own?

I'm planning on doing something re-ready tonight but I'm just wondering

I am not confident I have the first clue who scum is this game. My gut's been telling me go after silver...

[gkrieg13]

Assuming I have a pretty strong town read on iguana, is it good enough to go off of his rereads or should I do my own?

I'm planning on doing something re-ready tonight but I'm just wondering

ALWAYS do your own reread.

[gkrieg13]

I could see a faust/ashersky team right now.

[iguanaiguana]

Faust/Ashersky/silver!

I think that's always the scum team.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm here. Wow, the deadline got soon :-( Yes, I usually try to say more stuff, and I think this is the first game for which I've dropped the ball so comprehensively. At least we have a nice mod who hasn't yet been sending me nasty messages.

In my defence, the only two games in which I was actually scum (NM8 with PPS, then the Best Dominion Card one with Robz and Eevee) I was actually a lot better at saying stuff. Me going quiet is a symptom of having too much other stuff to do and being slow at reading. In this case, I've overloaded myself with games (yeah, that's all on me), then had a birthday Saturday away (it was awesome and such a needed break, but I'm on the post-high low today...), and now having a battle with a work deadline that happens on Wednesday that meant I'm working all the time when I'm not actively engaged in other stuff like tonight's choir rehearsal, including having used up most of my free Sunday time in the office. So I guess today you get ATE Space :-(

As for reads:

I still think RR is a bit scummy for his weird joking.

I actually do think that iguana could be faking all this energy at trying to push the game along and cheer-lead everyone into scum-hunting and stuff, so just because he's being heplful doesn't mean he's the clear. But obviously that's not a good place for my vote to be at this stage in the game.

I never know what to make of Ash, but I think he's town here. Other townie people are JR, Awaclus (in a nullish understated way, but I think that qualifies for him), and the obviousl gkrieg.

Dylan is perhaps vaguely scummy, but I should be the last person scumreading people for lack of engagement, or not-serious-enough commenting.

Nulls are Jake, Eevee and faust, and silver is kind of nullish-town. Some of these people didn't get as thorough a re-read as they should have done because I need to have been asleep by 20 minutes ago :-(

That takes me to vote: Dylan.

[faust]

Vote: Space

[faust]

In my defence, the only two games in which I was actually scum (NM8 with PPS, then the Best Dominion Card one with Robz and Eevee) I was actually a lot better at saying stuff. Me going quiet is a symptom of having too much other stuff to do and being slow at reading.

This bit is scummy. First, nobody actually suggested Space was scum because of their lurkiness, so this really comes out of the blue (and scum would feel worse about not being active and letting their partners down I think). Second, it is written to look like evidence for Space being town, which it is absolutely not; it's just evidence for Space being busy.

[silverspawn]

In my defence, the only two games in which I was actually scum (NM8 with PPS, then the Best Dominion Card one with Robz and Eevee) I was actually a lot better at saying stuff. Me going quiet is a symptom of having too much other stuff to do and being slow at reading.

This bit is scummy. First, nobody actually suggested Space was scum because of their lurkiness, so this really comes out of the blue (and scum would feel worse about not being active and letting their partners down I think). Second, it is written to look like evidence for Space being town, which it is absolutely not; it's just evidence for Space being busy.

Both true, but scummy? Space wants to do things right if they do them, I see the post as pretty equally likely coming from either alignment.

[silverspawn]

To clarify, I think Space would feel pressure to 'apologize' as either alignment and making framing things in a beneficial way is also not just a scum thing.

[faust]

Hey.. so I will be around for maybe 30 more minutes, and then maybe pop in later, but not for long. I like my vote on Space for now, but could be convinced otherwise. I won't vote for Eevee, iguana, ashersky, RR and likely not for Dylan or Awaclus.

[ashersky]

I am here now, will pop in over the next few hours.  I listed my prior will votes, SA is on the list.

[ashersky]

vote: J Reggie for now.  Keeps him in the leading wagons.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.8

J Reggie (3): Awaclus, Eevee, ashersky
ashersky (2) J Reggie, gkrieg13
Dylan32 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Eevee (1): Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (3): Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, faust

Not Voting (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. App. 7 hours left.

[iguanaiguana]

Well this sucks. If we don't agree,  we don't get a lynch through at all. The game has no plurality  lynching

[faust]

You should be able to do some prodding by now.

[SpaceAnemone]

In my defence, the only two games in which I was actually scum (NM8 with PPS, then the Best Dominion Card one with Robz and Eevee) I was actually a lot better at saying stuff. Me going quiet is a symptom of having too much other stuff to do and being slow at reading.

This bit is scummy. First, nobody actually suggested Space was scum because of their lurkiness, so this really comes out of the blue (and scum would feel worse about not being active and letting their partners down I think). Second, it is written to look like evidence for Space being town, which it is absolutely not; it's just evidence for Space being busy.

I have more partners to feel guilty about that scum does, because there's all the rest of town out there not able to rule me out of their PoEs if I'm not saying anything useful. I get frustrated when people are absent from games and then come in expecting people to be able to psychically pick up on their townie intentions, and I'm cross at myself for being on the other side of that. (It's perhaps less out of the blue if you remember my earlier complaint about having a hard time separating things in my head).

[iguanaiguana]

Space's recent posts are not scummy.

They're not townie though.

I'm doing some more analysis right now give me a second (or maybe like five hours if I don't finish this before a commitment I have.)

[faust]

Eh. Vote: J Reggie

[iguanaiguana]

Voting History

Skipping RVS votes

Iguana casts the first serious vote on J Reggie
RR joins (may be RVS). (2 on wagon)
Faust votes silver, switches to Space.
Ash votes Faust.
silver votes Ash.
Ash switches to silver.
J Reggie votes Ash.
Awaclus votes J Reggie (maybe for voting Ash?? Maybe for demanding an explanation for votes? The world will never know, people.)
Roadrunner switches to Dylan.
Jake (RVS?) votes RR.
silver switches to RR (2+ [maybe some RVS] on wagon)
Dylan votes RR (3+ on wagon)
Faust switches to Dylan.
Ash switches to Dylan (2 on wagon)
Iguana switches to Dylan (3 on wagon)
Eevee votes Ash.
Jake votes Ash (2 on wagon) <--- these are based on a case the IC made, but he didn't vote yet.
Ash switches to Eevee.
Faust votes Ash (3 on wagon)
Eevee switches to Dylan (3 on Dylan wagon, 3 on Ash wagon).
Eevee switches back to Ash (2 on Dylan wagon, 4 on Ash wagon).
silver votes Dylan (3 on Dylan wagon, 4 on Ash wagon).
Gkrieg votes Ash. (5 on Ash wagon).
Dylan votes Eevee.
Faust votes J Reggie.
Iguana votes J Reggie (3 on wagon, including Awaclus.)
Eevee votes J Reggie (4 on wagon)
Roadrunner votes Space.
Iguana votes Space (2 on wagon)
Space votes Dylan (2 on wagon, Space, silver)
Faust votes Space (3 on wagon; Iguana, Faust, RR)
Ash votes J Reggie (3 on wagon; Awaclus, Eevee, Ash)
EBWOP: Faust votes J Reggie (4 on wagon).


Conclusions to come.

[iguanaiguana]

People who have voted for Dylan outside of RVS: Faust, Ash, Iguana, Eevee, silver, Space. Six people have been willing to vote for him.

People who have voted for J Reggie outside of RVS: Iguana, Roadrunner, Awaclus, Faust, Eevee, Ash. Six people again.

People who voted for Ash outside RVS: silver, J Reggie, Eevee, Jake, Faust, Gkrieg. BUT silver was not on the wagon at its apex. (Then Ash claimed and it dissipated.)

People who have voted for Space outside of RVS: Faust, Roadrunner, Iguana. That's it. Yeah, okay. that makes him sound pretty scummy.

Only these four people have been wagons.

Here are my conclusions:

silverspawn is scum. He's voting opportunistically, and the lack of suspicion on him is incredibly suspicious. Who is with me?

Vote: silverspawn

[iguanaiguana]

Request Prod on Awaclus.
Request Prod on Jake.
Request Prod on Eevee.
Request Prod on J Reggie.

uh

Request Prod on anyone who hasn't posted in 24 hours.


No clue which of those are legit and which are not. Sorry, mod.

[iguanaiguana]

Request prod on Gkrieg.

[Eevee]

I'm at least semi-around, until the deadline.

Iguana's point about silver seems valid, but also one you could probably make about about most of the players, no?

One thing I like about lynching J Reggie, the wagon is practically my townreads in the game.

Fake edit: I have nothing against lynching silver, but this seems a bit of a leap of faith regarding iguana's alignment, even if he is a townread. If he is scum, sheeping him here would be quite bad. I do get that the guy collecting so many votes is not the most likely to flip scum, but I kind of feel the Reggie wagon dissipated mostly by the virtue of him just posting anything.

[J Reggie]

Well I guess I'm not the worst D1 mislynch, but if prefer to lunch someone who has a chance of being scum. And I'm feeling better about space being scum after their recent posts. So vote: space

[LaLight]

Prod sent to Dylan32 who is the only one eligible for it.

[silverspawn]

I don't get it. I was on dylan, who is my preferred lynch, and jumped off ash, who appears to be town, before he claimed. That sounds pretty good to me.

I wanna lynch Dylan. Space is okay. faust, iguana, RR, ash, and Eevee are all bad. whomever I didn't mention is decent because I didn't notice them.

[silverspawn]

actually space is not really okay. I liked their defense and they're getting too much support even though there is no real reason.

[silverspawn]

So I think J Reggie is whom I will support if Dylan is not happening.

[ashersky]

J Reggie is definitely more likely.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.9

J Reggie (4): Awaclus, Eevee, ashersky, faust
ashersky (1) gkrieg13
Dylan32 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Eevee (1): Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (2): Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
silverspawn (1): iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. App. 4,5 hours left.

[J Reggie]

I'm not going to self-hammer or anything but I think my mislynch is probably better than no lynch.

[J Reggie]

I have a theory that I'm not going to state until we get a lynch through, or it's obvious it will be me.

[Eevee]

Why are you so nonchalant about being lynched?

[Awaclus]

I'm around but I'm not super excited about changing my vote.

[gkrieg13]

vote: silverspawn

[LaLight]

I won't have access to computer till deadline; schadd is granted the power to make vote counts on requests.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote J Reggie I'm fine with him as a D1 lynch

I'll only be on for around 2 more hours

[Dylan32]

I'm in class until the deadline, but I'll try to get caught up and post some thoughts over the next hour and a half. Can't use tech in class from 1:30-3:00 forum time, so I won't be here at that point.

[silverspawn]

well then vote: J Reggie L-1

[Eevee]

Would like a claim at least before we lynch him. The last few posts don't look like someone who is scum, especially with the disappearance act right after.

[Eevee]

2.5 hours left, too.

Unvote for now at least.

[Dylan32]

Dylan32: (is they a he?)
...
All in all, I only really see one scummy post from Dylan, and I don't like his lynch as much as I thought I would going into this reread. He's got a bit of an abrasive/confrontational attitude that I saw when I read Squid Girl, so that makes me want to vote him less for having the same attitude here.

Yes I'm a he.  I also just noticed while rereading that igu seems to soften on me, but then later in his(pronoun?) color-coded reads summary has me as one of the 2 scummiest. Did you forget your read, or where you just feel so scummy that wanting to vote for me less still isn't enough to change your read?  This seems kind of hedgy.

faust and ash seem townie. I could see Space being this apologetic as either alignment about their absence, so that's pretty null.  This seems like town!awaclus more than scum!Awaclus.  J Reggie is slightly scummy. I'm having a hard time reading anyone else...

Intent to vote J Reggie.

[J Reggie]

I can claim my role if people want, but I don't think it'll help that much. I think ash and Faust are the scum on my wagon. Ash because he's been scummy and Faust because of how he jumped on my wagon. I think scum are going to wait for town to hammer me though.

[Eevee]

I don't think scum would act this resigned.

[Dylan32]

I don't think scum would act this resigned.

Depends on the person.

[Dylan32]

Does anyone know a lynched!scum!J Reggie game?

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm still just getting !Reggie vibes, not scum!J Reggie vibes. I'm not sure how this wagon started, it feels sort of like eating at Subway to me: Everyone can agree on it but no one really wants it.

[gkrieg13]

I really doubt J Reggie is scum at this point.

I honestly think that ash/faust/silver is the team, or at least has 2 of 3 in there.

[Dylan32]

As soon as this guy is done presenting, I'm offline until the deadline, so vote: J Reggie L-1

PPE 1

[Dylan32]

Gkrieg, is there a chance of getting a lynch through on silver? I am concerned by the fact my only 2 townish reads are both in your scum team.

[J Reggie]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

[J Reggie]

I don't think silver and Faust are on the same team, but I could be wrong about Faust.

[Dylan32]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So we have claimed tracker and x-shot watcher. I know it's RMM, but how likely is there to be both?

[gkrieg13]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So we have claimed tracker and x-shot watcher. I know it's RMM, but how likely is there to be both?

It could be possible.  Tracker makes more sense for scum than watcher.

[J Reggie]

I think I'm a watcher. My QT doesn't explicitly say it, but I looked it up on mafiascum and that's the name for the role that sees who targeted your target. But I don't think it's likely that we have both a tracker and a watcher because ash is scum.

Ppe or ash could be a scum tracker.

[schadd]

Guest Vote Count 1.a

J Reggie (6): Awaclus, ashersky, faust, JaketheBaseballGod22, silverspawn, Dylan32
Dylan32 (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (2): Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
silverspawn (2): iguanaiguana, gkrieg13


Not voting (1): Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. App. 4,5 hours left.

[gkrieg13]

Guest Vote Count 1.a

J Reggie (6): Awaclus, ashersky, faust, JaketheBaseballGod22, silverspawn, Dylan32
Dylan32 (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (2): Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
silverspawn (2): iguanaiguana, gkrieg13


Not voting (1): Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. App. 4,5 hours left.

Isn't it 1.5 hours?

[Eevee]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So you have a pretty good role, and a useful item. If the claim is true, you dying sounds like a terrible option!

[J Reggie]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So you have a pretty good role, and a useful item. If the claim is true, you dying sounds like a terrible option!

But I'm really bad with night actions when I'm town.

[Eevee]

My role is also described with a similar but different name than the usual mafiascum title. I think the fact that Reggie knew (and mentioned) that adds some towniness to the claim.

[schadd]

Isn't it 1.5 hours?

yeah

[gkrieg13]

My role is also described with a similar but different name than the usual mafiascum title. I think the fact that Reggie knew (and mentioned) that adds some towniness to the claim.

That's weird, mine doesn't.  It just calls me the Innocent Child.

[Eevee]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So you have a pretty good role, and a useful item. If the claim is true, you dying sounds like a terrible option!

But I'm really bad with night actions when I'm town.

Well, I have a terrible item I would love to be rid of. Thing is you won't reach night unless you fight getting lynched, I really don't understand this defeated attitude. Is it because you are scum?

[Eevee]

My role is also described with a similar but different name than the usual mafiascum title. I think the fact that Reggie knew (and mentioned) that adds some towniness to the claim.

That's weird, mine doesn't.  It just calls me the Innocent Child.

Odd.

[ashersky]

I really doubt J Reggie is scum at this point.

I honestly think that ash/faust/silver is the team, or at least has 2 of 3 in there.

That just sounds paranoid.

[ashersky]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So you have a pretty good role, and a useful item. If the claim is true, you dying sounds like a terrible option!

But I'm really bad with night actions when I'm town.

Well, I have a terrible item I would love to be rid of. Thing is you won't reach night unless you fight getting lynched, I really don't understand this defeated attitude. Is it because you are scum?

I would assume so.

Also, x-shot is shady to me.

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

[J Reggie]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So you have a pretty good role, and a useful item. If the claim is true, you dying sounds like a terrible option!

But I'm really bad with night actions when I'm town.

Well, I have a terrible item I would love to be rid of. Thing is you won't reach night unless you fight getting lynched, I really don't understand this defeated attitude. Is it because you are scum?

No, it's because I don't think we're going to lynch someone better. But I didn't even think about my item being useful. It seemed pretty bad to me when I first saw it. So maybe I should be a little more persistent about not being lynched. Trouble is I have a doctor's appointment and might not be here for the deadline.

[gkrieg13]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

Why?

[J Reggie]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

So you think gkrieg is scummy?

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

Why?

Ironically, because it will result in a no lynch.

And because J Reggie is scummy.

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

So you think gkrieg is scummy?

Pretty much all of D1.  I know he's Town though.

[J Reggie]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

[SpaceAnemone]

My role is also described with a similar but different name than the usual mafiascum title. I think the fact that Reggie knew (and mentioned) that adds some towniness to the claim.

That's weird, mine doesn't.  It just calls me the Innocent Child.

Odd.

FWIW, my role is non-standard, so is explained in words. My item is pretty standard, but is not explained using normal terminology. I had to check with LL in my QT to be sure it was doing the normal thing.

[ashersky]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

Doubt it.

[ashersky]

Can folks stop with the unrequired claiming please.

[ashersky]

My role is also described with a similar but different name than the usual mafiascum title. I think the fact that Reggie knew (and mentioned) that adds some towniness to the claim.

That's weird, mine doesn't.  It just calls me the Innocent Child.

Odd.

FWIW, my role is non-standard, so is explained in words. My item is pretty standard, but is not explained using normal terminology. I had to check with LL in my QT to be sure it was doing the normal thing.

You should hammer J Reggie.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ash

[ashersky]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

[J Reggie]

vote: ss is probably better then.

Ppe back to vote: ash

[silverspawn]

I'll no-lynch over lynching ash.

[SpaceAnemone]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I'm not voting JR because he seemed townie. I'm happy to at least consider it now, because JR himself said lynching him is better than a no-lynch. Will re-read, though I only have 15 mins till I have to get home and cook dinner...

Several PPE things...

[ashersky]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

How far we've come from that Mason fake claim so long ago.

If we're both alive on D2, I'll see about a replacement.  It's clearly not fair to the other townies.

[J Reggie]

I'll no-lynch over lynching ash.

Are you his partner?

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I'm not voting JR because he seemed townie. I'm happy to at least consider it now, because JR himself said lynching him is better than a no-lynch. Will re-read, though I only have 15 mins till I have to get home and cook dinner...

Several PPE things...

Townie recently or throughout?  Because of the claim? 

[ashersky]

I'll no-lynch over lynching ash.

Are you his partner?

Yes, him and Faust.  Just ask the IC.

[J Reggie]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

How far we've come from that Mason fake claim so long ago.

If we're both alive on D2, I'll see about a replacement.  It's clearly not fair to the other townies.

What?

[ashersky]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

I will point out all you need is L-1 as long as I'm around.  You know I will hammer. 

[ashersky]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

How far we've come from that Mason fake claim so long ago.

If we're both alive on D2, I'll see about a replacement.  It's clearly not fair to the other townies.

What?

Wasn't talking to you.

[ashersky]

Space, post more. 

Is anyone else here?  Votes are plopped.

[ashersky]

scahhddd, vote count please.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

How far we've come from that Mason fake claim so long ago.

If we're both alive on D2, I'll see about a replacement.  It's clearly not fair to the other townies.

Oh come on, you know this is nothing personal

[ashersky]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

How far we've come from that Mason fake claim so long ago.

If we're both alive on D2, I'll see about a replacement.  It's clearly not fair to the other townies.

Oh come on, you know this is nothing personal

It is to me.

(To be clear: I'm not saying you are attacking me or breaking any rules.)

[SpaceAnemone]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I'm not voting JR because he seemed townie. I'm happy to at least consider it now, because JR himself said lynching him is better than a no-lynch. Will re-read, though I only have 15 mins till I have to get home and cook dinner...

Several PPE things...

Townie recently or throughout?  Because of the claim?

I was townreading him last night. The claim seems at least a reasonable reason to keep him around. He seems like he's probably got more utility to town than I have (depending on x), so I'm not even sure a self-preservation vote is correct for me.

[ashersky]

vote: ash

Glad to know you are so susceptible to goading.  Shame on you.

How far we've come from that Mason fake claim so long ago.

If we're both alive on D2, I'll see about a replacement.  It's clearly not fair to the other townies.

Oh come on, you know this is nothing personal

It is to me.

(To be clear: I'm not saying you are attacking me or breaking any rules.)

(Well, not attacking in the golden rule personal attack way)

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I'm not voting JR because he seemed townie. I'm happy to at least consider it now, because JR himself said lynching him is better than a no-lynch. Will re-read, though I only have 15 mins till I have to get home and cook dinner...

Several PPE things...

Townie recently or throughout?  Because of the claim?

I was townreading him last night. The claim seems at least a reasonable reason to keep him around. He seems like he's probably got more utility to town than I have (depending on x), so I'm not even sure a self-preservation vote is correct for me.

Are you saying we should lynch you?

For the record, all townies: edge cases excepted, townies are always better off alive.

[SpaceAnemone]

Space, post more. 

Is anyone else here?  Votes are plopped.

Each time I try to post, the existence of PPEs delays me, so some people are clearly here! I have to get home by 7pm to make dinner for my household, but should manage to cook while refreshing the page..

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ash seems really scummy here

[J Reggie]

Ok I really have to go do stuff, and I'm not sure how much I'll be on before the deadline. You know what I think in case I'm lynched, but Eevee has convinced me that lynching me is a bad idea.

[iguanaiguana]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I fight this lynch. It's a bad lynch. The De-Facto D1 lynch almost always is. FoS me all you want but some of your posts are another kind of FoS.

[ashersky]

Ash seems really scummy here

Say one-line, easy-vote McGee.

[SpaceAnemone]

Are you saying we should lynch you?

For the record, all townies: edge cases excepted, townies are always better off alive.

Clearly I'd rather not be lynched by preference, because we should be lynching scum. That's such a non-question, really. Way to distract me from having a couple of minute of reading time...

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: ash

Back in a bit...

[iguanaiguana]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

silver. We have a way to trap Ash with his claim.

[gkrieg13]

he responds aggressively when jimmm calls him out on it, which is something he'd do as either alignment

he also responds aggressively towards me when I vote him for the two above posts, which is also something he'd do as either alignemnt

(this is a fundamental property of ash I think, his emotions and views take priority over ingame reasons, so lots of things are auto null since they aren't dictated by alignment)

Then he calls out awaclus for being less unhelpful than in previous games. weird. not sure what ... ?

a few jokes

then he pushes RR, which is bad. not that bad though. RR is my strongest townread, but I could see town!ash doing it.

overall it amounts to a decent day 1 scumread for me. also, not a single post of him gives me town vibes.

Here's your relevant quotes.

You start with "ash has two scummy posts" and then this giant list of null tells and a town!ash mention.

Somehow that amounts to a decent day 1 scumread?

You continue to let your personal feelings for how I "wrecked" your fanfiction game by using a plan you thought was "bad" to win the game in a way you didn't like mess with your game.

At this point, I'm disgusted with it and am pretty much at the point where I feel like we should just avoid playing forum games together.  Which is sad, but it's what happened with Eevee, and I guess can happen again.

This is from a game where ash was scum and got lynched D1.

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I fight this lynch. It's a bad lynch. The De-Facto D1 lynch almost always is. FoS me all you want but some of your posts are another kind of FoS.

I find it hilarious that I get crap for proposing a no lynch in a proper manner and yet folks post things like this.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "another kind of FoS."

[ashersky]

he responds aggressively when jimmm calls him out on it, which is something he'd do as either alignment

he also responds aggressively towards me when I vote him for the two above posts, which is also something he'd do as either alignemnt

(this is a fundamental property of ash I think, his emotions and views take priority over ingame reasons, so lots of things are auto null since they aren't dictated by alignment)

Then he calls out awaclus for being less unhelpful than in previous games. weird. not sure what ... ?

a few jokes

then he pushes RR, which is bad. not that bad though. RR is my strongest townread, but I could see town!ash doing it.

overall it amounts to a decent day 1 scumread for me. also, not a single post of him gives me town vibes.

Here's your relevant quotes.

You start with "ash has two scummy posts" and then this giant list of null tells and a town!ash mention.

Somehow that amounts to a decent day 1 scumread?

You continue to let your personal feelings for how I "wrecked" your fanfiction game by using a plan you thought was "bad" to win the game in a way you didn't like mess with your game.

At this point, I'm disgusted with it and am pretty much at the point where I feel like we should just avoid playing forum games together.  Which is sad, but it's what happened with Eevee, and I guess can happen again.

This is from a game where ash was scum and got lynched D1.

Spend some time and you'll find similar from town ash games, probably my sk game.  At some point you all need to realize that my play does not change according to alignment.

[ashersky]

Vote: ash

Back in a bit...

Any reason?

Oh wait, no.  Conveniently disappeared.

[ashersky]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

silver. We have a way to trap Ash with his claim.

It's not a trap because I'm telling the truth.  I can confirm my claim easily.

[gkrieg13]

Top scum reads are SS, XP, Yuma.

Top town are Edmund, chairs.

And then start reading from here for a game where ash was lynched D-1 as town.

[iguanaiguana]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I fight this lynch. It's a bad lynch. The De-Facto D1 lynch almost always is. FoS me all you want but some of your posts are another kind of FoS.

I find it hilarious that I get crap for proposing a no lynch in a proper manner and yet folks post things like this.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "another kind of FoS."

I mean that you are crap-posting emotionally manipulative posts that are counter-productive and muddying the water, making it easier for scum to hide and win.

We NEED a lynch. But J Reggie is too likely to flip town. VOTE FOR SILVER.

[gkrieg13]

Those two games are right after one another.  Just look at the difference in tone.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm also not voting for ash today.


Also, space, why the heck did you claim that little bit?

[ashersky]

And Role.  And the players in the town game didn't seem too happy with me.

[iguanaiguana]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

silver. We have a way to trap Ash with his claim.

It's not a trap because I'm telling the truth.  I can confirm my claim easily.

If you are town, you are obviously not trapped. If you are scum, then we have good odds to trap you later. That's why we SHOULD NOT LYNCH YOU TODAY. That's all I am trying to say. Go pick your fights with someone else.

[ashersky]

vote: silver at igu's request.  Gkrieg should believe I'm at least bussing now.

[gkrieg13]

And Role.  And the players in the town game didn't seem too happy with me.

That's fine, your tone matches the scum game exactly, and the town game not at all.

[ashersky]

Can we get an ash lynch in before the deadline? vote: ash

silver. We have a way to trap Ash with his claim.

It's not a trap because I'm telling the truth.  I can confirm my claim easily.

If you are town, you are obviously not trapped. If you are scum, then we have good odds to trap you later. That's why we SHOULD NOT LYNCH YOU TODAY. That's all I am trying to say. Go pick your fights with someone else.

I'm not fighting you.  Sorry if it seems that way.

[Roadrunner7671]

Silver is someone I could get behind but I'd be sad about it.

Still prefer space or Dylan.

[gkrieg13]

Silver is someone I could get behind but I'd be sad about it.

Still prefer space or Dylan.

Why?  What have space and Dylan done that has been scummy?

[gkrieg13]

I'm fine with a different lynch as long as you all realize that ash is scum, and faust is scummy for the way he treated the ash wagon.  And for the comments they made about never having been scum together.  I will vote for silver if it helps get a lynch through.

[ashersky]

And Role.  And the players in the town game didn't seem too happy with me.

That's fine, your tone matches the scum game exactly, and the town game not at all.

Your tone this game matches your scum games in the past.  It means nothing, plus it's subjective.

You are cherry picking to confirm your bias, which is based on personal animosity towards me which I've been able to stir up.  It's a disservice to all of us, and we're probably both to blame.

At least I'll cop to it.

[Roadrunner7671]

Silver is someone I could get behind but I'd be sad about it.

Still prefer space or Dylan.

Why?  What have space and Dylan done that has been scummy?

Iguanaiguana's rereas on space covered that pretty well IMO, and it's been said several times (maybe even by me!) why Dylan is scummy.

[iguanaiguana]

omigod Ash just stawp.

[iguanaiguana]

Silver is someone I could get behind but I'd be sad about it.

Still prefer space or Dylan.

Why?  What have space and Dylan done that has been scummy?

Iguanaiguana's rereas on space covered that pretty well IMO, and it's been said several times (maybe even by me!) why Dylan is scummy.

Roadrunner - think of it this way - They are the obvious lynches. Therefore, they are the easiest lynches for the mafia players to push through without looking scummy. Therefore, they are low information lynches and not good choices for today.

Silverspawn. Vote Silverspawn.

[iguanaiguana]

You have to consider the things that have happened after my rereads too. Those are more important than anything that happened before.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

And Role.  And the players in the town game didn't seem too happy with me.

That's fine, your tone matches the scum game exactly, and the town game not at all.

Your tone this game matches your scum games in the past.  It means nothing, plus it's subjective.

You are cherry picking to confirm your bias, which is based on personal animosity towards me which I've been able to stir up.  It's a disservice to all of us, and we're probably both to blame.

At least I'll cop to it.

I will vote for ash or silver.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

And Role.  And the players in the town game didn't seem too happy with me.

That's fine, your tone matches the scum game exactly, and the town game not at all.

Your tone this game matches your scum games in the past.  It means nothing, plus it's subjective.

You are cherry picking to confirm your bias, which is based on personal animosity towards me which I've been able to stir up.  It's a disservice to all of us, and we're probably both to blame.

At least I'll cop to it.

I will vote for ash or silver.

Or iguana

[ashersky]

vote count?

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner plus Jake = L-2 on silverspawn. If they actually vote, we can push this through. Let's do this!

[ashersky]

Roadrunner plus Jake = L-2 on silverspawn. If they actually vote, we can push this through. Let's do this!

Even with gkrieg that's only L-1.  You'd need SA.

[ashersky]

And SA bailed, but may be back.  Where's Awaclus?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: SS I guess I can put it here but I have to go. Probably can change it later if needed.

[iguanaiguana]

Probably off having sweet dreams of a J Reggie lynch.

[iguanaiguana]

Deadline is in 50 minutes.

[ashersky]

Guest Vote Count 1.a

J Reggie (6): Awaclus, ashersky, faust, JaketheBaseballGod22, silverspawn, Dylan32
Dylan32 (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (2): Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
silverspawn (2): iguanaiguana, gkrieg13


Not voting (1): Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. App. 4,5 hours left.

Last vote count.  Unlynchability is a scum trait.

49 minutes to deadline.

[gkrieg13]

vote: silver

[gkrieg13]

Also I have a 1-shot commute so save your watcher shots and doctor shots.

[ashersky]

Also I have a 1-shot commute so save your watcher shots and doctor shots.

I hope you are lying because that'd be an epic play.

Like, I'd argue it should be required reading for all ICs.

[iguanaiguana]

We need J Reggie, Roadrunner, and Space to join. Or some of Awaclus/Faust/Dylan.

[schadd]

Guest Vote Count 1.b

J Reggie (4): Awaclus, faust, silverspawn, Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner7671
silverspawn (4): iguanaiguana, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13
ashersky (2): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone

Not voting (1): Eevee

[/color]With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. this is in like 2 seconds

[Roadrunner7671]

Am here.

I will vote for SS at exactly 2:30:00 unless something has come along by then. Thus, I would suggest that SS claims before then.

[J Reggie]

I'm here for the moment. I'll vote: ss. That's L-2.

[iguanaiguana]

We need one more, then RR will hammer at 2:30.

Roadrunner, how about 2:29 instead?

[Roadrunner7671]

We need one more, then RR will hammer at 2:30.

Roadrunner, how about 2:29 instead?

You just made it 2:31, buster!

[iguanaiguana]

 

[iguanaiguana]

Oh wait the day ends at 3:00.

[schadd]

Guest Vote Count 1.c

J Reggie (4): Awaclus, faust, silverspawn, Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (1): Roadrunner7671
silverspawn (5): iguanaiguana, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13, J Reggie
ashersky (1): SpaceAnemone

Not voting (1): Eevee

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Tuesday, 11th Apr at 3pm FT. this is in like -2 seconds

[Roadrunner7671]

Also, I'll only hammer if he doesn't claim/everyone doesn't switch/that sort of stuff. But I don't see that happening, so it's almost time.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: SS

[J Reggie]

Ok, probably the last time I can check in before the deadline. Go team!

[gkrieg13]

Someone please hammer

[ashersky]

Someone please hammer

[Eevee]

i'm here, just catching up

[silverspawn]

*shrugs* well I guess mislynching me day 1 is par for the course at this point. it happened in the last game, too.

[Roadrunner7671]

cLAim?

[ashersky]

*shrugs* well I guess mislynching me day 1 is par for the course at this point. it happened in the last game, too.

Curse of the mafia championships.

[Eevee]

Claim would not hurt, there still being 21 minutes to go. Intent to hammer.

We really gave iguana a lot of power here. Hope it pays off!

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm here now too. I'd feel super-guilty about silver if it's another mislynch... pretty sure I was part of the previous one :-(

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: ash

Back in a bit...

Any reason?

Oh wait, no.  Conveniently disappeared.

Disappeared exactly when I said I would. Had to be home for 7, and my guest was already waiting here when I arrived...

[silverspawn]

no, sorry. this is the exact same thing that happened in the game before, except this time I precomitted to staying friendly. I did my usual thing of playing on the fly in the beginning to give you something to work with, then shared my honest thoughts near the deadline and voted for the right people. If that's not enough you'll just have to lynch me.

[faust]

Um, why are we not lynching J Reggie?

[iguanaiguana]

Um, why are we not lynching J Reggie?

The claim mostly.

[faust]

Um, why are we not lynching J Reggie?

The claim mostly.

Ash claimed Tracker. Eevee's item suggests a Cop. How many investigative roles dowe expect to have in this game?

This is RMM. Of course everyone has a role.

I will no lynch over silver.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't want to get guilt tacticed into unvoting, especially with no claim, so I'm going to keep my vote here and possibly feel bad.

[faust]

I don't want to get guilt tacticed into unvoting, especially with no claim, so I'm going to keep my vote here and possibly feel bad.

Vote J Reggie. I read the claim; it radiates scumminess.

[Eevee]

vote:silverspawn

[Eevee]

vote: silverspawn

[faust]

I'm here now too. I'd feel super-guilty about silver if it's another mislynch... pretty sure I was part of the previous one :-(

Vote J Reggie.

[faust]

vote: silverspawn

Getting worried?

[iguanaiguana]

That's a hammer I think. I did my best.

[schadd]

Final Guest Vote Count

J Reggie (4): Awaclus, faust, silverspawn, Dylan32
silverspawn (7): iguanaiguana, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13, J Reggie, Roadrunner7671, Eevee
ashersky (1): SpaceAnemone

With 12 alive it took 7 to lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yeah that was the hammer.

[iguanaiguana]

It was silver complimenting my strong performance and similar reads to his that convinced me. Sorry if I was wrong.

[faust]

It was silver complimenting my strong performance and similar reads to his that convinced me. Sorry if I was wrong.

Why are you apologizing already? Don't you think silver will flip scum?

[LaLight]

Thread locked

[LaLight]

silverspawn was lynched! He was Sheriff Blubs.

Night 1 starts now and ends Thursday, 13th of April at 3am FT. Night actions deadline is 35 hours from now.

[LaLight]

Sorry for the delay, the day will be opened shortly.

[LaLight]

faust has died! He was Robbie Valentino!
Awaclus has died! He was Stanford Pines!

Day 2 starts!

Vote Count 2.0
 
Not Voting (9): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, J Reggie, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, ashersky, Dylan32

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 20th Apr at 3am FT.

[SpaceAnemone]

@silver, I'm so sorry for not arguing properly against your lynch instead of just not joining the vote -- that seemed so much like your previous mislynch, but even more inexplicable and sudden :-( I really wanted to actually interact with you in a game again!

Ash still looks scummy to me. @igu, were you proposing a particular trap other than just being able to catch him by who he claims to have tracked? I feel like there are still too many unknowns for a lot of claiming to be good, given that people don't even seem to be flipping with a hint of their abilities. (At least not for someone who's ignorant of the flavour).

I assume faust was a vig kill, and I'm stating it for the benefit of anyone who wants to argue for other interpretations, but preferably not in a way that involves outing the vig.

[ashersky]

Why do you assume faust was a vig kill?

[ashersky]

Also, of course stuff to claim.  I'd like to hear J Reggie's claim first.

[Eevee]

If anyone saw me when watching or tracking, I guess we would see who was the factional kill from that.

Is everyone else interpreting silver as some kind of a cop?

[ashersky]

If anyone saw me when watching or tracking, I guess we would see who was the factional kill from that.

Is everyone else interpreting silver as some kind of a cop?

Makes sense, I think.  No hints from awa or Faust's flavor though.

[SpaceAnemone]

Why do you assume faust was a vig kill?

Assuming it's a vig, the earlier comment about faust and silver not being on the same team, coupled with the fact that when I typed the comment, my memory of Awaclus was that he seemed townie, makes me think that faust would have been the vig target rather than Awaclus. It may not have been a vig kill at all, but the other options are things like two scum kills, an SK or a PGO.

Thinking more than I was earlier, though, if all the scums are on-wagon for the silver lynch, then of course it does seem obvious to kill off-wagon even if they have two shots. And in that case Awaclus and faust would be the obvious pair, because Dylan was quite scum-read in D1 anyway, and I'm not looking great at the moment through lack of posting in D1. And no, I can't prevent any of you for being suspicious of me for pointing that out, since you can't know for certain that I'm really an off-wagon town, though I'm sure someone's thinking of scum-reading me for it :-P

[Roadrunner7671]

I would've thought Ashersky would've been the most obvious vig kill. Faust was super towny on ss, so he would've seemed towny. He seems like the obvious scum kill, besides gkrirg.

No clue why a vig would've shot Awaclus though

[iguanaiguana]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

[J Reggie]

Ok, before I claim anything, I just want to say I mixed up which one was my item and my ability when I claimed yesterday. Sorry for any confusion I caused.

[J Reggie]

I wouldn't be surprised if Faust was a vig kill, he seemed kind of scummy at the end of the day. But I also have some other theories. Also ash wants me to claim which is suspicious.

[Roadrunner7671]

I also have some other theories.

Withholding possibly helpful information is suspicious.

Also faust's comment about you being hard to lynch really hit home with me, especially since he died.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

[gkrieg13]

I still think ash is scum. I'm surprised by the Faust kill honestly.

[gkrieg13]

Well I was going to look offwagon, but the only people left off wagon are my nemeses

[SpaceAnemone]

Well I was going to look offwagon, but the only people left off wagon are my nemeses

Nemesis is a funny choice word. I think I'm your slightly omgusy hapless victim most of the time. I mean, I try not to take it personally, but you do secretly hate me and are bringing kkrieg to visit just to murder me to death for real in my sleep, right?

[gkrieg13]

<tugs on collar>

[Dylan32]

Well I was going to look offwagon, but the only people left off wagon are my nemeses

That word makes our relationship sound so... hostile.

[Dylan32]

Well I was going to look offwagon, but the only people left off wagon are my nemeses

Nemesis is a funny choice word. I think I'm your slightly omgusy hapless victim most of the time. I mean, I try not to take it personally, but you do secretly hate me and are bringing kkrieg to visit just to murder me to death for real in my sleep, right?

As opposed to murder you to life?

[Dylan32]

Why do you assume faust was a vig kill?

Assuming it's a vig, the earlier comment about faust and silver not being on the same team, coupled with the fact that when I typed the comment, my memory of Awaclus was that he seemed townie, makes me think that faust would have been the vig target rather than Awaclus. It may not have been a vig kill at all, but the other options are things like two scum kills, an SK or a PGO.

Thinking more than I was earlier, though, if all the scums are on-wagon for the silver lynch, then of course it does seem obvious to kill off-wagon even if they have two shots. And in that case Awaclus and faust would be the obvious pair, because Dylan was quite scum-read in D1 anyway, and I'm not looking great at the moment through lack of posting in D1. And no, I can't prevent any of you for being suspicious of me for pointing that out, since you can't know for certain that I'm really an off-wagon town, though I'm sure someone's thinking of scum-reading me for it :-P

Another option could be like a babysitter.  It could be easy to eliminate that possibility by going back and look to see if either of them were townreading the other.  I'll go through and check faust and Awaclus's interactions when I reread either this afternoon or tonight.

I'm not sure how other people see this, but from past experience, I am thinking this is actually somewhat townie for Space. I don't think scum!Space would knowingly do something that people have very recently discussed being inherently easier for scum.

[Dylan32]

@JR, I would also like to hear your theories, and since your claim yesterday got the main wagon to move from you to a townie, it makes sense for you to claim your results early.

[gkrieg13]

I wouldn't be surprised if Faust was a vig kill, he seemed kind of scummy at the end of the day. But I also have some other theories. Also ash wants me to claim which is suspicious.

I'm not sure why you stopped your claim because of this.  I want both ash and J Reggie to claim.  I think I would rather have ash claim before J Reggie.

[ashersky]

I wouldn't be surprised if Faust was a vig kill, he seemed kind of scummy at the end of the day. But I also have some other theories. Also ash wants me to claim which is suspicious.

I'm not sure why you stopped your claim because of this.  I want both ash and J Reggie to claim.  I think I would rather have ash claim before J Reggie.

I would rather claim after.  Because obvious reasons.

[Dylan32]

I don't want to get guilt tacticed into unvoting, especially with no claim, so I'm going to keep my vote here and possibly feel bad.

Vote J Reggie. I read the claim; it radiates scumminess.

I was reading EoD, and this combined with the fact JR ended with all town on his wagon makes me want him to claim before Ash.

[iguanaiguana]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

Because I think you are scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Jake should claim anything he wants to say first, then J Reggie, then Ash.

My 2 cents.

[gkrieg13]

Crickets.

[iguanaiguana]

Crickets.

Any comments on our current state of affairs?

[gkrieg13]

Well I was wrong about 2/3 of my team. So I need to reread

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

Because I think you are scum.

Why because I think your scum. Just because I targeted you doesn't mean I'm scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

Because I think you are scum.

Why because I think your scum. Just because I targeted you doesn't mean I'm scum.

What did you do?

[gkrieg13]

Wait you thought iguana was scum?

[iguanaiguana]

I was in his lynchpool yesterday.

[gkrieg13]

Actually looking back Jake does look pretty scummy

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

Because I think you are scum.

Why because I think your scum. Just because I targeted you doesn't mean I'm scum.

What did you do?

At least my item has one saving grace.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Jake

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

vote: Jake

Why?

[iguanaiguana]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

Because I think you are scum.

Why because I think your scum. Just because I targeted you doesn't mean I'm scum.

What did you do?

At least my item has one saving grace.

What?

[gkrieg13]

I want claims from ash and J Reggie

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Anyone have anything to claim? I want to hear from Jake.

why?

Because I think you are scum.

Why because I think your scum. Just because I targeted you doesn't mean I'm scum.

What did you do?

At least my item has one saving grace.

What?

It tells the person I target who targeted them but not what I did or else that would be really not cool. Also if I tell you what I did I will be claiming so I'd rather not.

[gkrieg13]

Well Jake, do you want to lynch iguana?

[gkrieg13]

And iguana did you see evidence of foul play?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Well Jake, do you want to lynch iguana?

Maybe I still think he's scummy.

[gkrieg13]

Well Jake, do you want to lynch iguana?

Maybe I still think he's scummy.

I see, but your targeting was inconsequential. Cool. No claim from you then.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Well Jake, do you want to lynch iguana?

Maybe I still think he's scummy.

I see, but your targeting was inconsequential. Cool. No claim from you then.

Yeah and case you couldn't tell I'm not a invest role.

[iguanaiguana]

And iguana did you see evidence of foul play?

I will share some things after we hear from J Reggie and Ash.

[J Reggie]

Sorry guys, I had a very busy day. Most of my theories from the night are blown out of the water by Faust being town. I watched ash last night and he was targeted by Faust. I was going to say pgo, but then I would probably be dead too. Maybe some kind of conditional pgo? I still have ash as my top scum read.

[J Reggie]

Also to Eevee: sorry I didn't get rid of your item. I didn't realize I couldn't use both my item and my ability. I'll get around to it hopefully tonight.

[J Reggie]

I don't want to get guilt tacticed into unvoting, especially with no claim, so I'm going to keep my vote here and possibly feel bad.

Vote J Reggie. I read the claim; it radiates scumminess.

I was reading EoD, and this combined with the fact JR ended with all town on his wagon makes me want him to claim before Ash.

How do you know this? Scumslip?

[J Reggie]

Oh nevermind, I just looked at my wagon.

[Dylan32]

I don't want to get guilt tacticed into unvoting, especially with no claim, so I'm going to keep my vote here and possibly feel bad.

Vote J Reggie. I read the claim; it radiates scumminess.

I was reading EoD, and this combined with the fact JR ended with all town on his wagon makes me want him to claim before Ash.

How do you know this? Scumslip?

I know you saw it, so don't think I think you need this, but to save other people from having to go look when they see this comment, everyone on J Reggie's wagon is dead town + me.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry guys, I had a very busy day. Most of my theories from the night are blown out of the water by Faust being town. I watched ash last night and he was targeted by Faust. I was going to say pgo, but then I would probably be dead too. Maybe some kind of conditional pgo? I still have ash as my top scum read.

Why watch ash? 

[ashersky]

I tracked J Reggie, scum read and D1 difficult to lynch guy.

He targeted no one, per my result.  I confirmed with the mod that this was a result, as opposed to a "no result" result.

vote: J Reggie

[Dylan32]

Sorry guys, I had a very busy day. Most of my theories from the night are blown out of the water by Faust being town. I watched ash last night and he was targeted by Faust. I was going to say pgo, but then I would probably be dead too. Maybe some kind of conditional pgo? I still have ash as my top scum read.

Is conditional PGO a thing?

PPE 2

[gkrieg13]

vote: J Reggie

Even without ash, this claim looks very fishy.

[Dylan32]

Well, it certainly seems like we've already found a scum.  Frankly, tracking a scum read makes more sense for a townie than watching a scum read, so unless someone else has other relevant results to share, I'm going to go ahead and vote: J Reggie unless someone else has another relevant result that would suggest we go the other way.

PPE 1

[Dylan32]

Well, it certainly seems like we've already found a scum.  Frankly, tracking a scum read makes more sense for a townie than watching a scum read, so unless someone else has other relevant results to share, I'm going to go ahead and vote: J Reggie unless someone else has another relevant result that would suggest we go the other way.

PPE 1

Just realized this post was written by the Department of Redundancy Department.

[gkrieg13]

unvote

Don't want him lynched that quickly.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.1
 
J Reggie (2): ashersky, Dylan32
Not Voting (7): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, J Reggie, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Thursday, 20th Apr at 3am FT.

[Eevee]

i support lynching reggie.

[iguanaiguana]

Last night, my item was taken away and replaced with another item. I tried to use my item but it didn't work. This seems to be a separate event from it being taken, not sure though. Also I was told that Jake visited me.

The new item I have is a positive effect,  not negative. Although in my case my old one would have been a lot more helpful and the fact that I never got to use it means that my aggressive play yesterday was a lot less justified than I was hoping it would be.

[iguanaiguana]

I won't share what either item is at this point but I do promise that I can explain what I've said and done around mass claim time if it comes to that.

My first thought was that Jake was scum who stole my item and swapped it for another but his response to my interrogation makes me think he's more likely town.

Anyway I support the J Reggie lynch but I want to do a little voting analysis first.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'd support a JR lynch. His claim seems almost wacky enough to be too-scummy-to-be-scum to me, but there's wagon evidence as well.

I'm townreading Dylan for now, so from my pov, it seems very likely that all the scums were on-wagon. In terms of wagon placement, JR is right behind the IC, which is a bit of a comfy place for a scum to join a town wagon. If we do indeed have three scums, as RR insisted earlier, then it's 50/50 for any on-wagon lynch, even before taking suspicious play into account.

[iguanaiguana]

You made so many probably wrong assumptions in that post that you may as well have not made the post.

[SpaceAnemone]

You made so many probably wrong assumptions in that post that you may as well have not made the post.

I stated my willingness to lynch JR. That was useful. The rest is giving my thoughts from my pov. If you don't agree with my assumptions, feel free to ignore/highlight them/say other useful things instead.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Last night, my item was taken away and replaced with another item. I tried to use my item but it didn't work. This seems to be a separate event from it being taken, not sure though. Also I was told that Jake visited me.

The new item I have is a positive effect,  not negative. Although in my case my old one would have been a lot more helpful and the fact that I never got to use it means that my aggressive play yesterday was a lot less justified than I was hoping it would be.

Yeah I can't swap items so it wan't me.

I also support a JR lynch.

[Dylan32]

Last night, my item was taken away and replaced with another item. I tried to use my item but it didn't work. This seems to be a separate event from it being taken, not sure though. Also I was told that Jake visited me.

The new item I have is a positive effect,  not negative. Although in my case my old one would have been a lot more helpful and the fact that I never got to use it means that my aggressive play yesterday was a lot less justified than I was hoping it would be.

I did not use my item last night (not a particularly useful one in the game state last night) and it was replaced also. I wonder if unused items are replaced across the board. Although I don't know if it was the same as yours since I didn't try to use it. Anyone else with a similar experience?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Last night, my item was taken away and replaced with another item. I tried to use my item but it didn't work. This seems to be a separate event from it being taken, not sure though. Also I was told that Jake visited me.

The new item I have is a positive effect,  not negative. Although in my case my old one would have been a lot more helpful and the fact that I never got to use it means that my aggressive play yesterday was a lot less justified than I was hoping it would be.

I did not use my item last night (not a particularly useful one in the game state last night) and it was replaced also. I wonder if unused items are replaced across the board. Although I don't know if it was the same as yours since I didn't try to use it. Anyone else with a similar experience?

My item is used automatically so idk.

[Dylan32]

Last night, my item was taken away and replaced with another item. I tried to use my item but it didn't work. This seems to be a separate event from it being taken, not sure though. Also I was told that Jake visited me.

The new item I have is a positive effect,  not negative. Although in my case my old one would have been a lot more helpful and the fact that I never got to use it means that my aggressive play yesterday was a lot less justified than I was hoping it would be.

I did not use my item last night (not a particularly useful one in the game state last night) and it was replaced also. I wonder if unused items are replaced across the board. Although I don't know if it was the same as yours since I didn't try to use it. Anyone else with a similar experience?

My item is used automatically so idk.

Was it a 1-shot item that was used up or it is permanently with you?

[Dylan32]

Last night, my item was taken away and replaced with another item. I tried to use my item but it didn't work. This seems to be a separate event from it being taken, not sure though. Also I was told that Jake visited me.

The new item I have is a positive effect,  not negative. Although in my case my old one would have been a lot more helpful and the fact that I never got to use it means that my aggressive play yesterday was a lot less justified than I was hoping it would be.

I did not use my item last night (not a particularly useful one in the game state last night) and it was replaced also. I wonder if unused items are replaced across the board. Although I don't know if it was the same as yours since I didn't try to use it. Anyone else with a similar experience?

My item is used automatically so idk.

Was it a 1-shot item that was used up or it is permanently with you?

Actually, you don't have to answer that if you don't want to. I'm curious, but I don't know if knowing that would tell me anything useful, so it might be better to not answer.

[iguanaiguana]

AlRight.

I'm townreading Dylan for now, so from my pov, it seems very likely that all the scums were on-wagon. In terms of wagon placement, JR is right behind the IC, which is a bit of a comfy place for a scum to join a town wagon. If we do indeed have three scums, as RR insisted earlier, then it's 50/50 for any on-wagon lynch, even before taking suspicious play into account.

A townread on a player shouldn't be enough to make it very likely they are town if you are just basing it off your reads of their playstyle.

Saying JR joined the wagon at a comfy place is a little nebulous. Doesn't seem to have payed off since you are suspecting him for it.

We have no real reason to believe there are exactly three scum. Most of us have no reason to believe that neither you nor Dylan is scum either. So your conclusion of a 50-50 lynch by lynching on wagon is really,  really dubious. It just relies on too many premises you assume to be true. It also sounds a bit like scum trying to popularize a theory that writes them out of the potential lynches.

[SpaceAnemone]

A townread on a player shouldn't be enough to make it very likely they are town if you are just basing it off your reads of their playstyle.

Agreed.

Saying JR joined the wagon at a comfy place is a little nebulous. Doesn't seem to have payed off since you are suspecting him for it.

He still has better deniability joining an IC-approved wagon than he does joining earlier.

We have no real reason to believe there are exactly three scum.

Other than RR's weird insistence earlier, which sounded like he did have good reason for it. Or some reason for it, at least.

Most of us have no reason to believe that neither you nor Dylan is scum either. So your conclusion of a 50-50 lynch by lynching on wagon is really,  really dubious. It just relies on too many premises you assume to be true. It also sounds a bit like scum trying to popularize a theory that writes them out of the potential lynches.

You missed the part where I said, very clearly, "from my pov", meaning that it's clear to me, and if you guys lynch me, then you've got something to look back on after my flip. Anyway, I'm not trying to argue that I gave you lots of useful info, just that my post wasn't useless, and that it makes sense to me as town to say it.

Honestly, I considered just posting an "I support the JR lynch" statement on its own, but figured that was too likely just to ping people's scum-dars, so I wrote why it made sense to me in particular. Then I considered appending an extra sentence about how I'd probably get scum-read for pointing out that I think scum are most likely on-wagon when I myself was not on-wagon, but I seem to be incapable of phrasing that in a way that doesn't read as ultra-scummy. So I just said my thing and left it at that.

[gkrieg13]

There are so many things working against J Reggie.  I'm excited for him to come back and explain himself. 

[Roadrunner7671]

There is no reason to believe there are exactly three scum.

[Roadrunner7671]

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?
2. Roadrunner7671-A role that would be hard to fake claim.
3. Dylan32-Nothing?
 J Reggie-X shot watcher.
6. Jake-Compulsive, 1-shot use item.
7. Gkrieg13-1 shot cummute
10. iguanaiguana-Some sort of item that warranted aggressive play and that was replaced with a new item.
12. Ashersky-Tracker
Eevee-That miller item.


Am I missing anything?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?
2. Roadrunner7671-A role that would be hard to fake claim.
3. Dylan32-Nothing?
 J Reggie-X shot watcher.
6. Jake-Compulsive, 1-shot use item.
7. Gkrieg13-1 shot cummute
10. iguanaiguana-Some sort of item that warranted aggressive play and that was replaced with a new item.
12. Ashersky-Tracker
Eevee-That miller item.


Am I missing anything?

Yeah your wrong on me.

[Roadrunner7671]

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?
2. Roadrunner7671-A role that would be hard to fake claim.
3. Dylan32-Nothing?
 J Reggie-X shot watcher.
6. Jake-Compulsive, 1-shot use item.
7. Gkrieg13-1 shot cummute
10. iguanaiguana-Some sort of item that warranted aggressive play and that was replaced with a new item.
12. Ashersky-Tracker
Eevee-That miller item.


Am I missing anything?

Yeah your wrong on me.

What else did you claim?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?
2. Roadrunner7671-A role that would be hard to fake claim.
3. Dylan32-Nothing?
 J Reggie-X shot watcher.
6. Jake-Compulsive, 1-shot use item.
7. Gkrieg13-1 shot cummute
10. iguanaiguana-Some sort of item that warranted aggressive play and that was replaced with a new item.
12. Ashersky-Tracker
Eevee-That miller item.


Am I missing anything?

Yeah your wrong on me.

What else did you claim?

1 its not compulsive 2 its not 1 shot

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?
2. Roadrunner7671-A role that would be hard to fake claim.
3. Dylan32-Nothing?
 J Reggie-X shot watcher.
6. Jake-Compulsive, 1-shot use item.
7. Gkrieg13-1 shot cummute
10. iguanaiguana-Some sort of item that warranted aggressive play and that was replaced with a new item.
12. Ashersky-Tracker
Eevee-That miller item.


Am I missing anything?

Yeah your wrong on me.

What else did you claim?

1 its not compulsive 2 its not 1 shot

Actually its sorta compulsive

[SpaceAnemone]

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?

There was this from me earlier, in response to people discussing whether their roles were standard things when they hadn't been described as such:

FWIW, my role is non-standard, so is explained in words. My item is pretty standard, but is not explained using normal terminology. I had to check with LL in my QT to be sure it was doing the normal thing.

But then there was this from ash two posts later, so I didn't say any more things on that topic:

Can folks stop with the unrequired claiming please.

[Dylan32]

There are so many things working against J Reggie.  I'm excited for him to come back and explain himself.

I would also like for him to claim flavor name when he explains.

[J Reggie]

Well ash is either lying or redirected, but at this point lying naked the most sense. I definitely watched him last night and received a result. I wish Faust were around to confirm it but whatever. I was going to try and watch a possible nk target, but I honestly had no idea who it could be, so I decided I'd try to watch scum instead. And I don't get why you guys are believing ash. Why would I target no one? That just doesn't make sense when I have two targeting abilities to choose from.

[gkrieg13]

But why would watching scum ever give a good result?

[J Reggie]

But why would watching scum ever give a good result?

That often target each other in RMM. Ash would be a prime target of another scum had a protective ability or something.

[ashersky]

You had to claim something to support the claim you used to escape your lynch on D1.  It not being real, you didn't think it through very well.  Also, dead player as only confirmation is the convenient choice.

[Eevee]

Reggie very much looks like scum to me.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Well ash is either lying or redirected, but at this point lying naked the most sense. I definitely watched him last night and received a result. I wish Faust were around to confirm it but whatever. I was going to try and watch a possible nk target, but I honestly had no idea who it could be, so I decided I'd try to watch scum instead. And I don't get why you guys are believing ash. Why would I target no one? That just doesn't make sense when I have two targeting abilities to choose from.

Vote: JR This is really fishy.

[J Reggie]

Man, this feels just like Heroes mafia.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: J Reggie

[Eevee]

I think that's L-1.

[J Reggie]

Well you know who to lynch next.

[J Reggie]

I think that's L-1.

Do you want your item gone?

[J Reggie]

Not much reason not to vote: J Reggie now. You guys go and win this for me. You know what to do.

[Roadrunner7671]

gg ez

[gkrieg13]

Well now we just have to see who opposed the Reggie wagon.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry everybody, very busy weekend.  Ash, please don't go yuma on us!  You are very fun to play with and a great mod.  I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.  Although I could see myself switching to Eevee; I think he could pull this kind of stunt as scum.  I was hoping for a scummier response from Dylan after my bait post. 

But what about space?  I haven't seen much of them this game.

This is a fishy post.  This basically ICs ash.

[Roadrunner7671]

Sorry everybody, very busy weekend.  Ash, please don't go yuma on us!  You are very fun to play with and a great mod.  I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.  Although I could see myself switching to Eevee; I think he could pull this kind of stunt as scum.  I was hoping for a scummier response from Dylan after my bait post. 

But what about space?  I haven't seen much of them this game.

This is a fishy post.  This basically ICs ash.

How is that fishy? That's a good thing!

[gkrieg13]

J Reggie is a vote I can believe in.

Vote: J Reggie

Vote: J Reggie

townie votes on the Reggie wagon I think

[gkrieg13]

1. SpaceAnemone-Pretty null here, I don't really remember too much about SA
3. Dylan32-I still don't like that vote he put on ashersky, and I don't really like the reaction to his wagon. That being said, his wagon picked up fairly quickly, so that's in his favor slightly I guess.
4. IDon'tPlayThisGame-Don't really remember much from them either.
5. J Reggie-Seems scummy, which means J Reggie hasn't bee hacked by someone else and replaced. don't really want to vote here though.
6. Jake-I don't know. A little hedgy, but that's not really alignment inductive. Don't want to vote here.
8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?
9. silverspawn-Null.
10. iguanaiguana-Pretty null as well. Not a fan of his rapid changing of votes, but it's D1 and it's iguanaiguana.
11. Awaclus-Pretty null.
12. ashersky-Very ashersky like. I'm not actually towny on him, but I definitely don't want to lynch him because he's not scummy, and a tracker is an asset. ashersky as a player is an asset too.
PPE 2

Scummy position from RR

[gkrieg13]

RR what do you think of Eevee?

Looking at J Reggie. 15 posts, should be quick. The first notable thing:

Is it possible that LL would include mimes?  Otherwise I think there's a pretty good case on RR already.

I asked how this post makes sense and never got an answer. Because it really does not make a lot of sense. Plus, third party awareness is generally a bit more of a scum thing.

I felt like RR was being intentionally scummy in a way that made the most sense if he was trying to get quicklynched. It's probably a crazy idea but whatever.

Sure, but how did you reach the conclusion that scum!RR would be intentionally scummy?

Honestly I'm not sure what my logic was here.

Yeah, I think Dylan is slightly scummy for totally ignoring the wagon.

This is more of sheeping popular opinions. I liked him better when he did not understand why Dylan is scummy.

As I explained before, this post was kind of bait. I was hoping Dylan would come back on, see people saying this, and freak out. But that didn't happen so I'm not sure what to think.

How would that have been a desirable outcome?

It would have been clear to vote for him.

I really don't like how ash is so confrontational, especially of the IC. There's no reason to do that.

What does oyu not liking it have to do with ash's alignment?

I don't like it because there's no reason to do it as town, so that means ash is probably scum.

8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?

Err, hey, gkrieg is welcome to lead. Well, whatever lead means. I don't thiink the IC sharing their reads is very desirable. That is mostly what I am doing.

I don't think this would be a better game if every other post of mine was "Hey gkrieg, how about doing some leading?" instead of its actual content.

Yeah, Faust is just naturally kind of leader. At least in mafia games, I don't know about in real life. Him doing the leading is definitely not scummy, if not exactly a town tell.

Ppe

This makes Dylan townier.  Also I just realized that because LaLight is the mod, he is probably asleep, which means I have a lot more time to do this reread.

[gkrieg13]

Okay, J Reggie now:

Says there could be a pretty good case on Roadrunner very early in the game. Yeah, you guessed it, I don't like that. I think that's why I originally voted for him. His later posts however seem to indicate that he may just think differently about RR's jokes than I do. I'm more null on him now.

Sorry everybody, very busy weekend.  Ash, please don't go yuma on us!  You are very fun to play with and a great mod.  I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.  Although I could see myself switching to Eevee; I think he could pull this kind of stunt as scum.  I was hoping for a scummier response from Dylan after my bait post. 

But what about space?  I haven't seen much of them this game.

Mentioning a 'bait post' is a little towny maybe from someone who hasn't spent much effort on the game yet. Does disinterested scum think to lie about making bait posts? Well, maybe they still try to bait someone into saying something scummy. Slightly more likely from town I guess. Also possible he just stole the idea from Faust who mentioned a bait post before he did. Sorry for the insult if that's not true. 

Nothing else of note to me. J Reggie is super-null. Am I voting him? That seems bad

Vote: SpaceAnemone

Let's go with that for now.

This is scummy from iguana.  Takes his vote off with a bad reason, and deflates the wagon.

[gkrieg13]

Oh boy, time to read Faust.

Man, I'm not quoting all those statements.

Here's what I think about Faust. I think his play looks like town play. I've thought that before about him as scum. Way too big of a risk to lynch him today. So he's not on the table. So very much like Eevee, he's not really in my lynch pool today, but that doesn't mean I trust him or think he's necessarily town. And I'll be keeping my eye on him.

I do like his trying to bait people into voting Ash. I think it sucks how it resulted in Ash claiming at L-2, super duper bummer there.

His thing about Eevee playing too scummy to be scum seems likely to be right to me too. Well, unless that's scum!Faust protecting his partner. Ha.

And yeah, I don't like his vote on J Reggie any more after finishing my own reread of J Reggie.

More scummy from iguana.

[gkrieg13]

One more post.

To summarize Moderate Scum Slight Scum Null Slight Town Strong Town

SpaceAnemone
Dylan32
silverspawn
J Reggie
Jake
Eevee
Faust
Awaclus
Ashersky
Roadrunner
Gkrieg
Iguana

and I really don't like how both of my moderate scums are basically D1 lynchbait.

More scummy from iguana, especially considering we went for silver, his other person on the same level as J Reggie, and that he keeps J Reggie in his scummy list, but votes for someone else.  I guess that isn't super scummy itself...

[gkrieg13]

I don't think ii would post this much as scum. Jake piping up as soon as there's a post about him is kind of scummy.

I'd be happy to lynch ash, but could switch to Jake or space if needed.

Uh, I think iguana is scum guys...  Like lynch him tomorrow for me please.

[gkrieg13]

Well I guess I'm not the worst D1 mislynch, but if prefer to lunch someone who has a chance of being scum. And I'm feeling better about space being scum after their recent posts. So vote: space

This is slightly townier on Space.  The fact that J Reggie votes here when J Reggie is about to be lynched is telling.

[gkrieg13]

Why are you so nonchalant about being lynched?

This sort of sounds like a partner, possibly. 

[gkrieg13]

2.5 hours left, too.

Unvote for now at least.

More interactions.

[gkrieg13]

I don't think scum would act this resigned.

Like I'm reasonably sure the team is J Reggie/iguana/eevee.

[gkrieg13]

I really doubt J Reggie is scum at this point.

I honestly think that ash/faust/silver is the team, or at least has 2 of 3 in there.

lolz, I was suuuuuuper wrong here.  That's why I'm not that big of a fan of D1.

[gkrieg13]

As soon as this guy is done presenting, I'm offline until the deadline, so vote: J Reggie L-1

PPE 1

Dylan, and the way that Roadrunner react to the wagon is null, but they are the other two potentials in the eevee spot of my team above.  Probably Dylan more than RR, but...

[gkrieg13]

So I'm an x-shot watcher. I won't say how many x is just in case. I also have an item that can get rid of other items. If I'm lynched, I'd say go after ash and Faust.

So you have a pretty good role, and a useful item. If the claim is true, you dying sounds like a terrible option!

LIKE EEVEE MUST BE SCUM!!!!!!!

[gkrieg13]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

Ash doesn't bus like this.

[gkrieg13]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

I fight this lynch. It's a bad lynch. The De-Facto D1 lynch almost always is. FoS me all you want but some of your posts are another kind of FoS.

And the other scummy mcscummers.

[gkrieg13]

We need J Reggie, Roadrunner, and Space to join. Or some of Awaclus/Faust/Dylan.

And if Iguana is scum, this gives Space and RR scum points.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'll gladly take those points because I doubt iguanaiguana is scum. But I appreciate the IC stepping up! Especially considering that you'll probably be dead by morning.

[gkrieg13]

ok, so the remaining team members are Eevee and iguana.  The way iguana ends the day is super scummy, and looks like he already knows it is a mislynch, and iguana definitely took us off the J Reggie wagon and on to another wagon, that didn't have much steam.

Eevee really tries to talk people out of J Reggie's lynch as well, which worked, and he is just scummy.

If that isn't the team, look at Dylan, RR, and Space.  I'm not sure which is the most likely.  Probably not Space, because of how they were voted for, so probably Dylan or RR.

Everyone one else is town (or SK, judging by how the kills went down.)

[gkrieg13]

I'll gladly take those points because I doubt iguanaiguana is scum. But I appreciate the IC stepping up! Especially considering that you'll probably be dead by morning.

Did you read any of my iguana quotes?  Like how can you not think he is scum?

[Roadrunner7671]

J Reggie is a vote I can believe in.

Vote: J Reggie

townie votes on the Reggie wagon I think

I like this one...

But he had bad interactions with J Reggie. Why does that nullify all the stuff he did D1?

I'm about to look at Eevee/Iguana interactions though.

[Roadrunner7671]

Next up is Eevee/IDPTG!

IDPTG jokes a lot, nothing alignment indicative to me about how he played. This guy seemed to love RVS and perhaps was sad enough when it was over that they wanted to quit.

Eevee comes right out with his claim, I still think it's towny enough for a D1 pass. The posts that follow show he's put some thought into his item. More likely then that the item itself is not a complete fabrication. Of course, scum could hold this item and perhaps have a way to give it to someone else. Wouldn't that be Eeveel?

Fwiw, I would still be interested if more people showed interest in ash as well.

Maybe a little bit of a scummy comment, especially when you put it together with all the other shEepee voting he's done. He's done a lot of "This is how I play as scum, and I'm definitely not playing that way." and "I could vote for him, especially if that's how others want to vote." Both types of comments read mildly scummEe-vee to me. Yeah, if it weren't for the claim, Eevee would be on my lynch list today for sure.

Oh my god that's hedgy.

[Roadrunner7671]

Well, I didn't want to do this, but Vote: Iguanaiguana. The J Reggie wagon will have to wait.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'll gladly take those points because I doubt iguanaiguana is scum. But I appreciate the IC stepping up! Especially considering that you'll probably be dead by morning.

Did you read any of my iguana quotes?  Like how can you not think he is scum?

I thought iguana was scum yesterday but not so sure after last night.

[Dylan32]

I'll gladly take those points because I doubt iguanaiguana is scum. But I appreciate the IC stepping up! Especially considering that you'll probably be dead by morning.

Did you read any of my iguana quotes?  Like how can you not think he is scum?

I thought iguana was scum yesterday but not so sure after last night.

What made him look better between then and now?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'll gladly take those points because I doubt iguanaiguana is scum. But I appreciate the IC stepping up! Especially considering that you'll probably be dead by morning.

Did you read any of my iguana quotes?  Like how can you not think he is scum?

I thought iguana was scum yesterday but not so sure after last night.

What made him look better between then and now?

Night Actions

[iguanaiguana]

I don't think scum would act this resigned.

Like I'm reasonably sure the team is J Reggie/iguana/eevee.

So much teams predictions, so little flips. You must tangibly enjoy being proved wrong.

[gkrieg13]

Well J Reggie already flipped essentially. He self-hammered and told his partners they know what to do.

[gkrieg13]

vote: J Reggie

In case he didn't self hammer

[LaLight]

Thread locked.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.final
 
J Reggie (5): ashersky, Dylan32, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, gkrieg13

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

[LaLight]

J Reggie was lynched! He was Gideon!

Night 2 starts now and ends Sunday, 16th of April at 1pm FT. Night actions deadline is 35 hours from now.

[SirMartin]

/tag

[LaLight]

Eevee has died! He was Soos!

Day 3 starts!

Vote Count 3.0
 
Not Voting (7): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, ashersky, Dylan32

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

[SpaceAnemone]

One kill is an improvement on two.

My item was switched out last night. One of the items I've seen appears to be one of a set. The other appears to be stand-alone. Is anyone else concerned that there may be a set-collecting wincon for scum, or is that too farfetched?

[ashersky]

I have an interesting result.

Thoughts on a mass or specified claim?  It'd be good to force folks into stories beforehand. 

[SpaceAnemone]

I have an interesting result.

Thoughts on a mass or specified claim?  It'd be good to force folks into stories beforehand.

Yeah, I love this kind of mechanics thing where we get to catch people out based on game info :-)

[iguanaiguana]

I'm fine with a mass claim. I was visited by the same phool last night that visited me the first night.

[iguanaiguana]

Also, if people think I am scum because of the ridiculous tunnel vision reread of the IC, I will be happy to explain what I was thinking as town in as great of detail as needed. I am 100% certain that my narrative and true motivations will clear me.

[iguanaiguana]

I actually just realized that if I don't defend myself right now, I may not find over an hour to play this game in the next few days.

Okay, J Reggie now:

Says there could be a pretty good case on Roadrunner very early in the game. Yeah, you guessed it, I don't like that. I think that's why I originally voted for him. His later posts however seem to indicate that he may just think differently about RR's jokes than I do. I'm more null on him now.

Sorry everybody, very busy weekend.  Ash, please don't go yuma on us!  You are very fun to play with and a great mod.  I'm only voting for you because I think you're most likely to be scum.  Although I could see myself switching to Eevee; I think he could pull this kind of stunt as scum.  I was hoping for a scummier response from Dylan after my bait post. 

But what about space?  I haven't seen much of them this game.

Mentioning a 'bait post' is a little towny maybe from someone who hasn't spent much effort on the game yet. Does disinterested scum think to lie about making bait posts? Well, maybe they still try to bait someone into saying something scummy. Slightly more likely from town I guess. Also possible he just stole the idea from Faust who mentioned a bait post before he did. Sorry for the insult if that's not true. 

Nothing else of note to me. J Reggie is super-null. Am I voting him? That seems bad

Vote: SpaceAnemone

Let's go with that for now.

This is scummy from iguana.  Takes his vote off with a bad reason, and deflates the wagon.

For one, I was thinking of several times that I have mislynched J Reggie for behavior that seemed scummy when he turned out to be town (see Heroes mafia, which he tried to mention in his defense, for one). I also think that if you look back at what J Reggie posted BEFORE I made my big D1 reread, you won't find very much that is scum indicative. What he did after that was claim watcher. To me, that indicated we could give him a D1 pass and see whether he or Ash had results that were more likely to be true.

So when I had just read J Reggie as I was playing along, he seemed scummy but I didn't know why. When I went to look for evidence, I found less than I thought I would be able to, and that made me think that it was my bias against J Reggie that made me think he was scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh boy, time to read Faust.

Man, I'm not quoting all those statements.

Here's what I think about Faust. I think his play looks like town play. I've thought that before about him as scum. Way too big of a risk to lynch him today. So he's not on the table. So very much like Eevee, he's not really in my lynch pool today, but that doesn't mean I trust him or think he's necessarily town. And I'll be keeping my eye on him.

I do like his trying to bait people into voting Ash. I think it sucks how it resulted in Ash claiming at L-2, super duper bummer there.

His thing about Eevee playing too scummy to be scum seems likely to be right to me too. Well, unless that's scum!Faust protecting his partner. Ha.

And yeah, I don't like his vote on J Reggie any more after finishing my own reread of J Reggie.

More scummy from iguana.

I think it's kinda funny that you find this scummy because Faust later comes in and says essentially the exact same thing about me. And you thought Faust was scummy. So are you sure that the things you think are scum tells are actually scum tells? So far all of your scums except J Reggie have already flipped town.

FWIW, I said what I said about Faust because of three previous games: Simply Simpler, Marvel, Heroes. He played as scum in all three of those games and in all three of those games he had a big town presence that reminded me of him in this game. On general vibe, I got towny, but I knew that he could reproduce that vibe as scum and I did not trust him for it. If he was still alive, most likely I would still not trust him.

This is just me vs. Faust in general, this is not me as scum hedging.

[iguanaiguana]

One more post.

To summarize Moderate Scum Slight Scum Null Slight Town Strong Town

SpaceAnemone
Dylan32
silverspawn
J Reggie
Jake
Eevee
Faust
Awaclus
Ashersky
Roadrunner
Gkrieg
Iguana

and I really don't like how both of my moderate scums are basically D1 lynchbait.

More scummy from iguana, especially considering we went for silver, his other person on the same level as J Reggie, and that he keeps J Reggie in his scummy list, but votes for someone else.  I guess that isn't super scummy itself...

Uh, my scum list:

SpaceAnemone <-- Unknown
Dylan32 <-- Unknown
silverspawn <-- Flipped town
J Reggie <-- Flipped scum
Jake <-- Unknown
Eevee <-- Flipped town
Faust <-- Flipped town
Awaclus <-- Flipped town
Ashersky<-- likely a town
Roadrunner <-- unknown
Gkrieg
Iguana

[iguanaiguana]

To me, that doesn't look scummy.

I was wrong about silver. I was right about most others who have flipped.
I was wrong about Eevee's hedginess indicating he was scum. So were you.
I was wrong that Faust could be playing pro-town as scum. You were even more wrong than I was, saying he was definitely scum.
I was wrong that I was misreading J Reggie's scum tells. You weren't even interested in voting J Reggie D1, you wanted to vote Ash.
I had Jake as null, now I think he is probably town.
I had a pretty strong town read on Awaclus, and I was right.
I had a strong townread on Ash and defended his lynch when I could have put him to L-1. Turns out I was probably right about him, but you wanted to lynch him.
I had a strong townread on Roadrunner. He now looks somewhat likely to be scum with my other scum reads, Space and Dylan.

Anyway, this is all I have time for now. I will explain why I aggressively pushed silverspawn's lynch after the mass claim.

But here's the ironic thing. I pushed for silverspawn because Gkrieg didn't seem willing to go for J Reggie and I needed to get on the same lynch wagon with the IC in order to use my item.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok so to me scum is two of iguanaiguana, RR, Space and dylan.

Are we doing a masasclaim today?

[gkrieg13]

Massclaim wouldn't be awful. To me it seems obvious that we have a vig and scum tried to kill me last night but we're unsuccessful.

[gkrieg13]

Actually let me think more on this mass claim idea.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I am in favor of a massclaim here.

[Dylan32]

I am also support a mass claim.

I'll share this before a mass claim because I don't think this info would actually affect anyone's claims. I used an item last night that told me how many scum were on wagon yesterday.  There were two scum on wagon, which means 1 scum bused, J Reggie self-voted, and 1 scum was off wagon.

[ashersky]

Massclaim wouldn't be awful. To me it seems obvious that we have a vig and scum tried to kill me last night but we're unsuccessful.

Did you use your commute?  Bravo move holding it a night, btw, if you did.

[ashersky]

Also, I do have things to say about recent posts and such, but I'm withholding pending claims and such.  Don't want to give anything away early.

[SpaceAnemone]

A thought on claims. We have a number of different naming conventions going on, and I think it's quite important to decide ahead of time what components we're claiming in a full-claim, and what might be best kept back for later verification.

1) Flavour names
2) Basic ability names.
3) Basic ability mechanics.
4) Item names.
5) Item mechanics.

1, 2 and 4 are based in the flavour, but 1 and 2 should link somehow to 3, and 4 should link somehow to 5. I have one or more pieces of evidence linking one or more ability/item names to the action(s) taken by one or more specific players one one or both of the game nights. Not that I'm trying to be vague about it or anything ;-)

[iguanaiguana]

I want to claim first I think. I can't think of a way that scum can use anything I have to say but I can see it turning out worse for me if others claim first and my claims end up being redundant. After that, my proposed order would be Space, Dylan, Jake, Roadrunner, Ash, Gkrieg.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I want to claim first I think. I can't think of a way that scum can use anything I have to say but I can see it turning out worse for me if others claim first and my claims end up being redundant. After that, my proposed order would be Space, Dylan, Jake, Roadrunner, Ash, Gkrieg.

Fine with me except can I go after RR

[gkrieg13]

I commuted last night.

Order is:
Iguana
RR
Jake
Dylan
Space
Ashersky

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Doesn't really matter to me can I just go now?

[iguanaiguana]

I put you ahead of Roadrunner because from my perspective Dylan's result implicates either you or Dylan. (The other person would be me.) It implicates one of Roadrunner or Space only if Dylan is town and telling the truth.

So when I think about it, the order should be Me, Dylan,  Jake, Space, Roadrunner, Ash, Gkrieg.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I put you ahead of Roadrunner because from my perspective Dylan's result implicates either you or Dylan. (The other person would be me.) It implicates one of Roadrunner or Space only if Dylan is town and telling the truth.

So when I think about it, the order should be Me, Dylan,  Jake, Space, Roadrunner, Ash, Gkrieg.

Wanna go then?

[gkrieg13]

I put you ahead of Roadrunner because from my perspective Dylan's result implicates either you or Dylan. (The other person would be me.) It implicates one of Roadrunner or Space only if Dylan is town and telling the truth.

So when I think about it, the order should be Me, Dylan,  Jake, Space, Roadrunner, Ash, Gkrieg.

I want the order I proposed.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Then go iguana

[iguanaiguana]

I have a role that is negative utility for town. I can claim it if people want me to/think I should, but it should be easy for scum to use that information to their advantage. Also, my role has has had no effect on the game so far, except that it has had some effect on the way I have chosen to play.

On D1, my item was Star Glasses. This is the item that Dylan used N2 to see how many scum were on the lynch wagon the day before. Because I had this item, I devised the plan that I should make sure that a successful lynch occurred, and that I was on the lynch, and that the IC was on the lynch. That way, there would be only five other people on the lynch who could have a chance of being scum, and six people not on the lynch with a chance of being scum. Since Gkrieg wasn't joining the J Reggie wagon and I didn't want to lynch Ashersky, I decided to try for silverspawn.

My attempt to use the Star Glasses N1 gave no result, and the glasses were taken and replaced with French Accent, an item that allowed me to babysit a player. The item doesn't specify babysitting as a term, but what it describes is identical to babysitting. Also, Jake visited me N1.

I tried to use the French Accent on Gkrieg N2. I figured I was not getting killed N2 because of Gkrieg's whole "Iguana must be scum" argument, so no risk of killing Gkrieg by babysitting him. I thought at first that I had protected Gkrieg, but it looks like he just commuted and it was pointless. Also, Jake visited me a second time on N2.

I now have a new item tonight instead of the French accent. I think I maybe should not tell people what it is, or scum can use that information to their advantage, and I see no advantage to the town for telling everyone what I have now since I haven't even been able to use it.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I have a role that is negative utility for town. I can claim it if people want me to/think I should, but it should be easy for scum to use that information to their advantage. Also, my role has has had no effect on the game so far, except that it has had some effect on the way I have chosen to play.

On D1, my item was Star Glasses. This is the item that Dylan used N2 to see how many scum were on the lynch wagon the day before. Because I had this item, I devised the plan that I should make sure that a successful lynch occurred, and that I was on the lynch, and that the IC was on the lynch. That way, there would be only five other people on the lynch who could have a chance of being scum, and six people not on the lynch with a chance of being scum. Since Gkrieg wasn't joining the J Reggie wagon and I didn't want to lynch Ashersky, I decided to try for silverspawn.

My attempt to use the Star Glasses N1 gave no result, and the glasses were taken and replaced with French Accent, an item that allowed me to babysit a player. The item doesn't specify babysitting as a term, but what it describes is identical to babysitting. Also, Jake visited me N1.

I tried to use the French Accent on Gkrieg N2. I figured I was not getting killed N2 because of Gkrieg's whole "Iguana must be scum" argument, so no risk of killing Gkrieg by babysitting him. I thought at first that I had protected Gkrieg, but it looks like he just commuted and it was pointless. Also, Jake visited me a second time on N2.

I now have a new item tonight instead of the French accent. I think I maybe should not tell people what it is, or scum can use that information to their advantage, and I see no advantage to the town for telling everyone what I have now since I haven't even been able to use it.

I would like to know your role. It may help me decide who I will be visiting tonight.

[iguanaiguana]

This post was me breadcrumbing that I was holding star glasses.

Who else thinks I should share my role?

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't wanna know your role.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I don't wanna know your role.

lol claim please your next

[gkrieg13]

This post was me breadcrumbing that I was holding star glasses.

Who else thinks I should share my role?

No need to share your role.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

This post was me breadcrumbing that I was holding star glasses.

Who else thinks I should share my role?

No need to share your role.

Then whats the point of a massclaim?

[Roadrunner7671]

If the only point of a mass claim was to share your role with everyone, they'd be anti town and rarely practiced.

[gkrieg13]

RR next.

[Roadrunner7671]

So I don't think my role is normal, but maybe it is. I couldn't find it on mafia scum at any rate. Basically, I can target someone and redirect them onto someone else. I thought this was an anti town role but of course I can use it to make my scum reads target each other, and if I send player X onto player Y and Player Y dies, I can be sort of sure that Player X is scum. I also have a one shot ability that has to do with my item and I'd rather not share it.

I'm gonna be sort of vague with my item too, but basically I can use it to kill someone with a certain flavor name (who is definitely scum) if a certain criteria is met. I don't want to say who that person is so that I don't get targeted, and I don't want to say what the criteria is because I don't think anyone can help.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh and I think this is worth sharing: Ashersky said he had an interesting result last night. Last night, I made Ashersky target Jake. I figured if Jake was scum, he'd do the night kil because he's been under the radar, and I wanted him to get caught in the act of killing someone. And if he didn't perform the kill, I thought he'd be ICified because he didn't perform the kill, and he would've if he was scum, if that makes sense.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

So I don't think my role is normal, but maybe it is. I couldn't find it on mafia scum at any rate. Basically, I can target someone and redirect them onto someone else. I thought this was an anti town role but of course I can use it to make my scum reads target each other, and if I send player X onto player Y and Player Y dies, I can be sort of sure that Player X is scum. I also have a one shot ability that has to do with my item and I'd rather not share it.

I'm gonna be sort of vague with my item too, but basically I can use it to kill someone with a certain flavor name (who is definitely scum) if a certain criteria is met. I don't want to say who that person is so that I don't get targeted, and I don't want to say what the criteria is because I don't think anyone can help.

Man the specifics are just rolling off your tongue.

[Roadrunner7671]

So I don't think my role is normal, but maybe it is. I couldn't find it on mafia scum at any rate. Basically, I can target someone and redirect them onto someone else. I thought this was an anti town role but of course I can use it to make my scum reads target each other, and if I send player X onto player Y and Player Y dies, I can be sort of sure that Player X is scum. I also have a one shot ability that has to do with my item and I'd rather not share it.

I'm gonna be sort of vague with my item too, but basically I can use it to kill someone with a certain flavor name (who is definitely scum) if a certain criteria is met. I don't want to say who that person is so that I don't get targeted, and I don't want to say what the criteria is because I don't think anyone can help.

Man the specifics are just rolling off your tongue.

I'm sorry, did you want me to tell scum exactly how I can kill a specific one of them?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

So I don't think my role is normal, but maybe it is. I couldn't find it on mafia scum at any rate. Basically, I can target someone and redirect them onto someone else. I thought this was an anti town role but of course I can use it to make my scum reads target each other, and if I send player X onto player Y and Player Y dies, I can be sort of sure that Player X is scum. I also have a one shot ability that has to do with my item and I'd rather not share it.

I'm gonna be sort of vague with my item too, but basically I can use it to kill someone with a certain flavor name (who is definitely scum) if a certain criteria is met. I don't want to say who that person is so that I don't get targeted, and I don't want to say what the criteria is because I don't think anyone can help.

Man the specifics are just rolling off your tongue.

I'm sorry, did you want me to tell scum exactly how I can kill a specific one of them?

Well preferably we lynch scum today and vig kills the other tonight or you kill the other tonight.

[Roadrunner7671]

So I don't think my role is normal, but maybe it is. I couldn't find it on mafia scum at any rate. Basically, I can target someone and redirect them onto someone else. I thought this was an anti town role but of course I can use it to make my scum reads target each other, and if I send player X onto player Y and Player Y dies, I can be sort of sure that Player X is scum. I also have a one shot ability that has to do with my item and I'd rather not share it.

I'm gonna be sort of vague with my item too, but basically I can use it to kill someone with a certain flavor name (who is definitely scum) if a certain criteria is met. I don't want to say who that person is so that I don't get targeted, and I don't want to say what the criteria is because I don't think anyone can help.

Man the specifics are just rolling off your tongue.

I'm sorry, did you want me to tell scum exactly how I can kill a specific one of them?

Well preferably we lynch scum today and vig kills the other tonight or you kill the other tonight.

I agree that would be preferable.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm next right?

[gkrieg13]

I'm next right?

Yes please

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Alright well I'm gonna be specific because I have nothing to hide. I'm a RB. My item tells whoever I target who targeted him. I think that's all.

[gkrieg13]

Uh who did you target and why?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

[Roadrunner7671]

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

No?

[gkrieg13]

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

But I don't want to dig through the thread for it.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

No?

Yes go read iguanas claim

[Roadrunner7671]

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

No?

Yes go read iguanas claim

We want to know why you did it.

[iguanaiguana]

Me. Both nights. Which is why I keep losing my items.

[gkrieg13]

Can't you just restate it?  Like please. It is not much work for you, but more work for me to try to find stuff.

Also I thought SA said they would be around more today.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

But I don't want to dig through the thread for it.

Iguana both nights because I thought he was scum. I'll try and RB the other scum tonight.

[ashersky]

Oh and I think this is worth sharing: Ashersky said he had an interesting result last night. Last night, I made Ashersky target Jake. I figured if Jake was scum, he'd do the night kil because he's been under the radar, and I wanted him to get caught in the act of killing someone. And if he didn't perform the kill, I thought he'd be ICified because he didn't perform the kill, and he would've if he was scum, if that makes sense.

To be clear, you are claiming to have purposefully redirected the Tracker?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

That's why I want to know roles so I know who to RB.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh and I think this is worth sharing: Ashersky said he had an interesting result last night. Last night, I made Ashersky target Jake. I figured if Jake was scum, he'd do the night kil because he's been under the radar, and I wanted him to get caught in the act of killing someone. And if he didn't perform the kill, I thought he'd be ICified because he didn't perform the kill, and he would've if he was scum, if that makes sense.

To be clear, you are claiming to have purposefully redirected the Tracker?

I am claiming to have purposefully redirected the tractor.

[Roadrunner7671]

That's why I want to know roles so I know who to RB.

Um...scum will fake claim...

[SpaceAnemone]

Can't you just restate it?  Like please. It is not much work for you, but more work for me to try to find stuff.

Also I thought SA said they would be around more today.

I'm here, and I've posted a few times. Nobody seems to have said anything about my point about what information we all have, and which parts of it we might want to claim, though :-(

[SpaceAnemone]

Me. Both nights. Which is why I keep losing my items.

Why would you lose items if you're RBd?

[gkrieg13]

Can't you just restate it?  Like please. It is not much work for you, but more work for me to try to find stuff.

Also I thought SA said they would be around more today.

I'm here, and I've posted a few times. Nobody seems to have said anything about my point about what information we all have, and which parts of it we might want to claim, though :-(

I figured it was best for people to decide for themselves what they want to claim. I think each person is a little bit different.

[SpaceAnemone]

Can't you just restate it?  Like please. It is not much work for you, but more work for me to try to find stuff.

Also I thought SA said they would be around more today.

I'm here, and I've posted a few times. Nobody seems to have said anything about my point about what information we all have, and which parts of it we might want to claim, though :-(

I figured it was best for people to decide for themselves what they want to claim. I think each person is a little bit different.

That works less well for catching people out, surely?

[gkrieg13]

Can't you just restate it?  Like please. It is not much work for you, but more work for me to try to find stuff.

Also I thought SA said they would be around more today.

I'm here, and I've posted a few times. Nobody seems to have said anything about my point about what information we all have, and which parts of it we might want to claim, though :-(

I figured it was best for people to decide for themselves what they want to claim. I think each person is a little bit different.

That works less well for catching people out, surely?

Could be true. I think so far it is fine. I'll press people more if I think they should claim more.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Who's next?

[SpaceAnemone]

Who's next?

Dylan is next in gkrieg's list, then me, then Ash.

[gkrieg13]

If Space is the vig, I want them to claim first.

[SpaceAnemone]

If Space is the vig, I want them to claim first.

I'm not the vig. I already part-claimed that I have a role to do with seeing other people's actions back at #764.

[SpaceAnemone]

Bed time for me now. I'll be online from work again from about 5am forum time.

[iguanaiguana]

Can't you just restate it?  Like please. It is not much work for you, but more work for me to try to find stuff.

Also I thought SA said they would be around more today.

I'm here, and I've posted a few times. Nobody seems to have said anything about my point about what information we all have, and which parts of it we might want to claim, though :-(

I made this determinations for myself and expect everyone else to do the same.

[iguanaiguana]

Me. Both nights. Which is why I keep losing my items.

Why would you lose items if you're RBd?

It seems if you don't or can't use your item that it gets swapped with a new item.

[gkrieg13]

That has not been the case for me.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I have a theory about iguana but I want to hear Dylans claim first.

[Dylan32]

Ok. I'm basically a flavor cop. I get the person I target's flavor name and the flavor name of their items.  N1 I targeted faust and got no result, most likely because ending up the target of some kill made his results irrelevant.  I actually started with the item French Accent, the babysitter item that iguana received. So I think it's likely scum (or gkrieg maybe) has/had an item switching ability/item. Already claimed my item use from last night.

[Dylan32]

Oh and I think this is worth sharing: Ashersky said he had an interesting result last night. Last night, I made Ashersky target Jake. I figured if Jake was scum, he'd do the night kil because he's been under the radar, and I wanted him to get caught in the act of killing someone. And if he didn't perform the kill, I thought he'd be ICified because he didn't perform the kill, and he would've if he was scum, if that makes sense.

To be clear, you are claiming to have purposefully redirected the Tracker?

I am claiming to have purposefully redirected the tractor.

Why?

[iguanaiguana]

So Space is next,  then Ash. And Jake has promised us a theory.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

So Space is next,  then Ash. And Jake has promised us a theory.

Theory is N/A after the claim. It only worked if vig was still alive.

[iguanaiguana]

Ah yes, everyone has claimed not vig...

[gkrieg13]

Ah yes, everyone has claimed not vig...

Ya this is very troubling.

[gkrieg13]

I doubt scum would kill Eevee, so like I guess we have a SK?  And they are at the stage where they need to kill scum to survive?

I'll react to the other claims tomorrow. It's gonna be a fun one.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh and I think this is worth sharing: Ashersky said he had an interesting result last night. Last night, I made Ashersky target Jake. I figured if Jake was scum, he'd do the night kil because he's been under the radar, and I wanted him to get caught in the act of killing someone. And if he didn't perform the kill, I thought he'd be ICified because he didn't perform the kill, and he would've if he was scum, if that makes sense.

To be clear, you are claiming to have purposefully redirected the Tracker?

I am claiming to have purposefully redirected the tractor.

Why?

To either catch or Icify Jake, and to confirm the Tracker claim, basically.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh and I think this is worth sharing: Ashersky said he had an interesting result last night. Last night, I made Ashersky target Jake. I figured if Jake was scum, he'd do the night kil because he's been under the radar, and I wanted him to get caught in the act of killing someone. And if he didn't perform the kill, I thought he'd be ICified because he didn't perform the kill, and he would've if he was scum, if that makes sense.

To be clear, you are claiming to have purposefully redirected the Tracker?

I am claiming to have purposefully redirected the tractor.

Why?

To either catch or Icify Jake, and to confirm the Tracker claim, basically.

In case you didn't pick up on this, if you did this as town,  that's not good play.  You should let trackers track who they want.

[SpaceAnemone]

My turn to claim! My ability is to see the flavour name of the action/item use of a player I target at night. It's a bit like Follower, but extra-useless because it's filtered through a layer of uninformative flavour-related naming. I targeted Dylan N1 and got the result "Gossiping". I can more or less see that action name fitting the cop role he described, but I'm stuck as to how to interpret the subtleties of the flavour here. Is "gossiping" a sufficiently negative action in the context of a cartoon show that it could be a scum ability? I've been tentatively townreading him because it sounded like a not-a-scum name, but I know next to nothing about Gravity Falls.

In spite of not using my item N1, I still had it at the start of N2. It essentially gave me a doctor shot, so I used it on gkrieg last night. It was called "Diary #3", which was why I was asking about the possibility of someone trying to collect a set of items. From what I can tell by reading a brief synopsis, there is a theme of diaries/journals being central to the show, which is why I wonder if there's a game mechanic there. OTOH, it might be that it's just a convenient naming scheme for a bunch of items.

I lost the Diary item last night, and received another item in its place. I did ask in my QT about how the order of resolution works with items being taken, and it look like "item being taken" comes at the same point as "item giving", meaning people who use an item on the night it's taken should expect to see its effect, unless it's blocked by other game mechanics. So it looks like gkreig commuted, was babysat and doctored all in one night!

[ashersky]

Ok.  One of RR and Jake is lying.  Any thoughts on which?

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe retargeting the tracker was a sub optimal play, but it would be even more sub optimal to lie about. I mean, Jake claimed to have blocked Iguaniguana after iguana already said he didn't use his action.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok.  One of RR and Jake is lying.  Any thoughts on which?

If Iguana can confirm I targeted him both nights and he said D2 I targeted him. Also did you actually watch me last night because if not then RR is lying.

[Roadrunner7671]

Ok.  One of RR and Jake is lying.  Any thoughts on which?

If Iguana can confirm I targeted him both nights and he said D2 I targeted him. Also did you actually watch me last night because if not then RR is lying.

All Iguanaiguana confirmed was that he lost his items, and we can't assume that has anything to do with you blocking him.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok.  One of RR and Jake is lying.  Any thoughts on which?

Wait why is one of us lying?

[Roadrunner7671]

Ok.  One of RR and Jake is lying.  Any thoughts on which?

Wait why is one of us lying?

He presumably has tracker results

[gkrieg13]

Ok ash, what do you got?

[LaLight]

Note the following rectification in the rules:
  3. To prevent the case when stalemate due to roles/items of 2 or more people may occur (e.g. 2 doctors, protecting each other) the following course of actions will be  prosecuted: 1 person, taking part in action circle will be randomly redirected onto another random person, whereas the rest of people, taking part in action circle will be performing their actions as planned.

[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, so I'm the one who's been quizzing LL in my QT about the interaction of the French Accent and the Diary #3, and how it all fits in to the action resolution order. He's been super-careful not to give any game info away... I guess I put him into a bit of a difficult position unintentionally.

In NM9 (which I modded), we had the situation where we had a babysitter and a doctor with no scum roles that could possibly penetrate the pair of them if they protected each other, so I ruled (with silver's help, since he'd made the setup we were playing at the time) that there would be a random re-direction in that case. Right now, it's clear to me that LL's defaulting to the NM9 solution because it's the best way to guarantee we don't get extra information about what blocking/redirecting/strongman roles might be available to scum. I feel kind of bad, because maybe some townies could have gotten away with extra mutual protection if I hadn't asked so many questions :-(

[ashersky]

Ok ash, what do you got?

I was hoping for a bit more reaction, but oh well.

Whomever I tracked targeted gkrieg.  I double-checked to ensure my result was correct, and it was, so even if you commuted, I guess I saw it.

Jake didn't claim that at all, but RR says I tracked him.  In addition, roleblocking is a good scum power.  And admitting to redirecting the tracker (like RR says) is super bad scum play, which makes it more believable.

All that adds up to a vote: jake.

The caveat is if RR is lying -- the person I chose to track did claim gkrieg.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok ash, what do you got?

I was hoping for a bit more reaction, but oh well.

Whomever I tracked targeted gkrieg.  I double-checked to ensure my result was correct, and it was, so even if you commuted, I guess I saw it.

Jake didn't claim that at all, but RR says I tracked him.  In addition, roleblocking is a good scum power.  And admitting to redirecting the tracker (like RR says) is super bad scum play, which makes it more believable.

All that adds up to a vote: jake.

The caveat is if RR is lying -- the person I chose to track did claim gkrieg.

IGUANA CONFIRMED I TARGETED HIM N2 so there was no way I tagerted gkrieg. That means RR is lying Vote: RR

[gkrieg13]

Ok ash, what do you got?

I was hoping for a bit more reaction, but oh well.

Whomever I tracked targeted gkrieg.  I double-checked to ensure my result was correct, and it was, so even if you commuted, I guess I saw it.

Jake didn't claim that at all, but RR says I tracked him.  In addition, roleblocking is a good scum power.  And admitting to redirecting the tracker (like RR says) is super bad scum play, which makes it more believable.

All that adds up to a vote: jake.

The caveat is if RR is lying -- the person I chose to track did claim gkrieg.

So, who did you actually choose to track?

[gkrieg13]

Oh, and I didn't commute last night.  Just claimed that so scum wouldn't want to claim that they protected me, which would mean that the person that really protected me is town, which means that if iguana is claiming that he was targeted by Jake, then Space really did doctor me last night, which I really don't see scum doing, so it makes me very strongly townread Space.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok ash, what do you got?

I was hoping for a bit more reaction, but oh well.

Whomever I tracked targeted gkrieg.  I double-checked to ensure my result was correct, and it was, so even if you commuted, I guess I saw it.

Jake didn't claim that at all, but RR says I tracked him.  In addition, roleblocking is a good scum power.  And admitting to redirecting the tracker (like RR says) is super bad scum play, which makes it more believable.

All that adds up to a vote: jake.

The caveat is if RR is lying -- the person I chose to track did claim gkrieg.

IGUANA CONFIRMED I TARGETED HIM N2 so there was no way I tagerted gkrieg. That means RR is lying Vote: RR

My item confirms who I target so I can't be the one lying. (Finally my item helps me)

[gkrieg13]

Which is also why people were able to target me according to ash, which also makes me strongly believe ash is town, or at least telling the truth about tracking (he could be the SK honestly).

[SpaceAnemone]

N1 I targeted faust and got no result, most likely because ending up the target of some kill made his results irrelevant.

Thinking more about this, is the lack of answer on faust just a little bit suspicious? We know for certain that item use precedes killing in the action resolution order, so unless something else interfered with it, Dylan should definitely have been able to give us more. The most obvious thing to show "no result" is an RB, but we already seem to have on conveniently-loud RB in the game.

[ashersky]

I targeted SA.

RR lying works as well, since my result was confirmed by SA's claim ahead of my claim.

Jake's claim seems scummier to me -- loud RB that seemingly steals/removes/switches items?  But RR could be trying to frame Jake, too.  His redirect claim is scummy both because redirection is super anti Town and he targeted the Tracker when he should be trying to move the kill, no?

For sure one is lying.

[SpaceAnemone]

@RR are you deliberately not saying who you redirected N1?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I targeted SA.

RR lying works as well, since my result was confirmed by SA's claim ahead of my claim.

Jake's claim seems scummier to me -- loud RB that seemingly steals/removes/switches items?  But RR could be trying to frame Jake, too.  His redirect claim is scummy both because redirection is super anti Town and he targeted the Tracker when he should be trying to move the kill, no?

For sure one is lying.

I can't swap items. I can only block abilitys. Idk how iguanas items were switched.

[SpaceAnemone]

RR lying works as well, since my result was confirmed by SA's claim ahead of my claim.

RR being blocked would also explain it.

Jake's claim seems scummier to me -- loud RB that seemingly steals/removes/switches items?

Where did the item theft component come from? He basically said he's an RB who has an item that makes him loud (see post #790). Lots of people seem to be reporting item exchanges, so I don't think that's coming from Jake's claimed RB action.

But RR could be trying to frame Jake, too.  His redirect claim is scummy both because redirection is super anti Town and he targeted the Tracker when he should be trying to move the kill, no?

I agree RR looks scummy here.

For sure one is lying.

I disagree that it's a "for certain" thing: RR could have been blocked from his misguided attempt to redirect you, and Jake could be telling the truth, and we'd see claimed results exactly like these, I think. Though I think it's likely we're seeing someone failing to tell the whole truth between you, Jake and RR.

[gkrieg13]

With Dylan's thing and SA telling the truth, RR must be scum

vote: RR

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm going to be offline for a few hours (dinner and choir rehearsals and stuff), but I've started making a comprehensive list of who's claimed what action/item use/result when. If you've withheld stuff, there will be obvious gaps in my system, so the townie thing might be to point out now what information you'd still like to sit on, since a few other people have done that already :-)

Also, I notice that RR only talks about his item in the singular, and doesn't claim to have experienced items changing around. Has anyone else held the same item all game?

[SpaceAnemone]

With Dylan's thing and SA telling the truth, RR must be scum

vote: RR

I agree he looks very suspicious, but maybe don't end the day too soon? It would be good to get more historical claims (N1 actions etc) out of everyone to see if we can solve more of the game at this point to assist people with information-gathering night actions.

[ashersky]

I feel like Igu keeps claiming his items have been affected each night, and Jake says he targeted Igu each night.  Seems to go together.

I'm still wary of SA.

[gkrieg13]

Actually what exactly does the item Dylan has that tells the wagon stuff do exactly. Like what wording

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm going to be offline for a few hours (dinner and choir rehearsals and stuff), but I've started making a comprehensive list of who's claimed what action/item use/result when. If you've withheld stuff, there will be obvious gaps in my system, so the townie thing might be to point out now what information you'd still like to sit on, since a few other people have done that already :-)

Also, I notice that RR only talks about his item in the singular, and doesn't claim to have experienced items changing around. Has anyone else held the same item all game?

Me but I have to use my item because it automatically triggers whenever I RB.

[iguanaiguana]

With Dylan's thing and SA telling the truth, RR must be scum

vote: RR

Unless Dylan is lying, right?

[iguanaiguana]

Jake has definitely targeted me both nights. So if he's scum,  he didn't do the kill unless he can target two people.

Can't both Roadrunner and Jake be scum?

[gkrieg13]

Yes of course they could both be scum or Dylan is lying scum. We also have the extra kill problem, which I guess the vig could've died last night or the night before. I'll look up flavor and try to give estimates on the roles people were.

[ashersky]

Yes of course they could both be scum or Dylan is lying scum. We also have the extra kill problem, which I guess the vig could've died last night or the night before. I'll look up flavor and try to give estimates on the roles people were.

Or odd-night?  Or blocked?  Plenty of ifs.

One thing to remember, if there's an SK, probably only 2 mafia, right?  Game is too small for four total scum.

[ashersky]

Jake has definitely targeted me both nights. So if he's scum,  he didn't do the kill unless he can target two people.

Can't both Roadrunner and Jake be scum?

Could be, but seems unlikely given how they've positioned themselves here.  (Yes, could be planned, but I don't see them doing it.)

RR claims I tracked Jake -- to gkrieg.  Jake claims to have targeted you -- which you confirm.  Plus, SA claimed correctly for my result -- before I claimed. 

gkrieg is right, I think, that the evidence points toward RR.

unvote

Willing to vote RR when we decide to move.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 3.1

Roadrunner7671 (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13
 
Not Voting (5): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, Dylan32, ashersky

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

[ashersky]

Faust was the angst punk rock foil to Dipper, his main rival for the girl.  Pretty cynical, good match for Faust.  No real Vig connection.

Awaclus was the author of the journals, never saw any episodes with him in it.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.1

Roadrunner7671 (2): Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
 
Not Voting (5): SpaceAnemone, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, Dylan32, ashersky

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

Is this correct?

Someone has an unclaimed power to mess with votes...

[LaLight]

Vote Count 3.1

Roadrunner7671 (2): Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
 
Not Voting (5): SpaceAnemone, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, Dylan32, ashersky

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

Is this correct?

Someone has an unclaimed power to mess with votes...

It was not correct. Fixed.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm ready to vote Roadrunner too.

[gkrieg13]

unvote, while I look back through the claims and such.

[Roadrunner7671]

@RR are you deliberately not saying who you redirected N1?

No, it just doesn't matter. I sent Faust onto Dylan.

[gkrieg13]

I am also support a mass claim.

I'll share this before a mass claim because I don't think this info would actually affect anyone's claims. I used an item last night that told me how many scum were on wagon yesterday.  There were two scum on wagon, which means 1 scum bused, J Reggie self-voted, and 1 scum was off wagon.

I have a role that is negative utility for town. I can claim it if people want me to/think I should, but it should be easy for scum to use that information to their advantage. Also, my role has has had no effect on the game so far, except that it has had some effect on the way I have chosen to play.

On D1, my item was Star Glasses. This is the item that Dylan used N2 to see how many scum were on the lynch wagon the day before. Because I had this item, I devised the plan that I should make sure that a successful lynch occurred, and that I was on the lynch, and that the IC was on the lynch. That way, there would be only five other people on the lynch who could have a chance of being scum, and six people not on the lynch with a chance of being scum. Since Gkrieg wasn't joining the J Reggie wagon and I didn't want to lynch Ashersky, I decided to try for silverspawn.

My attempt to use the Star Glasses N1 gave no result, and the glasses were taken and replaced with French Accent, an item that allowed me to babysit a player. The item doesn't specify babysitting as a term, but what it describes is identical to babysitting. Also, Jake visited me N1.

I tried to use the French Accent on Gkrieg N2. I figured I was not getting killed N2 because of Gkrieg's whole "Iguana must be scum" argument, so no risk of killing Gkrieg by babysitting him. I thought at first that I had protected Gkrieg, but it looks like he just commuted and it was pointless. Also, Jake visited me a second time on N2.

I now have a new item tonight instead of the French accent. I think I maybe should not tell people what it is, or scum can use that information to their advantage, and I see no advantage to the town for telling everyone what I have now since I haven't even been able to use it.

So I don't think my role is normal, but maybe it is. I couldn't find it on mafia scum at any rate. Basically, I can target someone and redirect them onto someone else. I thought this was an anti town role but of course I can use it to make my scum reads target each other, and if I send player X onto player Y and Player Y dies, I can be sort of sure that Player X is scum. I also have a one shot ability that has to do with my item and I'd rather not share it.

I'm gonna be sort of vague with my item too, but basically I can use it to kill someone with a certain flavor name (who is definitely scum) if a certain criteria is met. I don't want to say who that person is so that I don't get targeted, and I don't want to say what the criteria is because I don't think anyone can help.

Alright well I'm gonna be specific because I have nothing to hide. I'm a RB. My item tells whoever I target who targeted him. I think that's all.

Uh who did you target and why?

Hasn't that already been said multiple times

But I don't want to dig through the thread for it.

Iguana both nights because I thought he was scum. I'll try and RB the other scum tonight.

Ok. I'm basically a flavor cop. I get the person I target's flavor name and the flavor name of their items.  N1 I targeted faust and got no result, most likely because ending up the target of some kill made his results irrelevant.  I actually started with the item French Accent, the babysitter item that iguana received. So I think it's likely scum (or gkrieg maybe) has/had an item switching ability/item. Already claimed my item use from last night.

My turn to claim! My ability is to see the flavour name of the action/item use of a player I target at night. It's a bit like Follower, but extra-useless because it's filtered through a layer of uninformative flavour-related naming. I targeted Dylan N1 and got the result "Gossiping". I can more or less see that action name fitting the cop role he described, but I'm stuck as to how to interpret the subtleties of the flavour here. Is "gossiping" a sufficiently negative action in the context of a cartoon show that it could be a scum ability? I've been tentatively townreading him because it sounded like a not-a-scum name, but I know next to nothing about Gravity Falls.

In spite of not using my item N1, I still had it at the start of N2. It essentially gave me a doctor shot, so I used it on gkrieg last night. It was called "Diary #3", which was why I was asking about the possibility of someone trying to collect a set of items. From what I can tell by reading a brief synopsis, there is a theme of diaries/journals being central to the show, which is why I wonder if there's a game mechanic there. OTOH, it might be that it's just a convenient naming scheme for a bunch of items.

I lost the Diary item last night, and received another item in its place. I did ask in my QT about how the order of resolution works with items being taken, and it look like "item being taken" comes at the same point as "item giving", meaning people who use an item on the night it's taken should expect to see its effect, unless it's blocked by other game mechanics. So it looks like gkreig commuted, was babysat and doctored all in one night!

Ok ash, what do you got?

I was hoping for a bit more reaction, but oh well.

Whomever I tracked targeted gkrieg.  I double-checked to ensure my result was correct, and it was, so even if you commuted, I guess I saw it.

Jake didn't claim that at all, but RR says I tracked him.  In addition, roleblocking is a good scum power.  And admitting to redirecting the tracker (like RR says) is super bad scum play, which makes it more believable.

All that adds up to a vote: jake.

The caveat is if RR is lying -- the person I chose to track did claim gkrieg.

Ok ash, what do you got?

I was hoping for a bit more reaction, but oh well.

Whomever I tracked targeted gkrieg.  I double-checked to ensure my result was correct, and it was, so even if you commuted, I guess I saw it.

Jake didn't claim that at all, but RR says I tracked him.  In addition, roleblocking is a good scum power.  And admitting to redirecting the tracker (like RR says) is super bad scum play, which makes it more believable.

All that adds up to a vote: jake.

The caveat is if RR is lying -- the person I chose to track did claim gkrieg.

IGUANA CONFIRMED I TARGETED HIM N2 so there was no way I tagerted gkrieg. That means RR is lying Vote: RR

My item confirms who I target so I can't be the one lying. (Finally my item helps me)

N1 I targeted faust and got no result, most likely because ending up the target of some kill made his results irrelevant.

Thinking more about this, is the lack of answer on faust just a little bit suspicious? We know for certain that item use precedes killing in the action resolution order, so unless something else interfered with it, Dylan should definitely have been able to give us more. The most obvious thing to show "no result" is an RB, but we already seem to have on conveniently-loud RB in the game.

I targeted SA.

RR lying works as well, since my result was confirmed by SA's claim ahead of my claim.

Jake's claim seems scummier to me -- loud RB that seemingly steals/removes/switches items?  But RR could be trying to frame Jake, too.  His redirect claim is scummy both because redirection is super anti Town and he targeted the Tracker when he should be trying to move the kill, no?

For sure one is lying.

Ok, this pretty much encompasses all the claims.  My next post will have some analysis of it.

[Roadrunner7671]

Iguanaiguana/Jake scum team is possible, anyone thought about that? 

I think it's possible I was blocked, Jake's item was tampered with, I was redirected, Ashersky was additionally redirected, etc.

I see that targeting the Tracker was probably dumb, but I had my reasons. But if I was scum, I would 100% lie about that. No way for me to confirm that, but oh well.
PPE

[gkrieg13]

Ok, so I didn't commute last night, so it makes sense that ash saw SA target me, and that I needed the doctoring, and that it was probably effective, so I think I want to leave that there.

Dylan, is the flavor for your role copping action "gossip"?  Because that would make it so SA would be a fairly strong townread for me.  Ash is already a strong not-mafia read for me.

Next, there is this weird Dylan wagon-analysis thing.  @iguana, Dylan would the glasses pick up non-town?  Or do they pick up how many scum were on the wagon?

One of my theories about Jake/RR is that Jake is a roleblocker/rolestopper.  So the redirection couldn't take place because someone was rolestopped.  It seems clear to me that iguana was either roleblocked, or he is Jake's partner.

Also, we have this whole RR thing, but it is entirely possible that Dylan is lying about the glasses.  Space points out that his copping should have taken place before the kill, so he should have been able to give us something about faust's role.

So my towns are ash and SA, and everyone else could be scum

[gkrieg13]

Also iguana, could you claim your role?

[gkrieg13]

Also, RR, this took me 2 seconds.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Redirector

Google actually autofilled it.

[iguanaiguana]

Also iguana, could you claim your role?

Alright.

I'm Mabel Pines, a beloved princess.

[iguanaiguana]

@iguana, Dylan would the glasses pick up non-town?  Or do they pick up how many scum were on the wagon?

You use the glasses, and they tell you how many scum were on the previous day's lynch bandwagon. It says scum. It doesn't say mafia or non-town. Dylan definitely had the glasses during N2. Our items were swapped N1. But it's not so clear to me that he's telling the truth about the result he got from it.

[Roadrunner7671]

Also iguana, could you claim your role?

Alright.

I'm Mabel Pines, a beloved princess.

You should not have said that!!

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm still wary of SA.

Do you think someone else protected gkreig and didn't claim it, that iguana successfully babysat gkrieg after all, or that gkrieg is lying about not having commuted?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm still wary of SA.

Do you think someone else protected gkreig and didn't claim it, that iguana successfully babysat gkrieg after all, or that gkrieg is lying about not having commuted?

Most likely situation I can think of would be that your scum partner killed Eevee and you used a pointless protective item on Gkrieg for the potential town cred.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm still wary of SA.

Do you think someone else protected gkreig and didn't claim it, that iguana successfully babysat gkrieg after all, or that gkrieg is lying about not having commuted?

Most likely situation I can think of would be that your scum partner killed Eevee and you used a pointless protective item on Gkrieg for the potential town cred.

Given how many toys town has to play with, I think it's reasonably likely that scum had something better to do than protect the IC for a chance at towncred if someone did actually happen to track them, which seems pretty low-likelihood.

How do you explain RR's apparent failed redirection, in addition to a NK? Did I secretly RB him too?

[SpaceAnemone]

@iguana: does your role explain the movement of items?

[iguanaiguana]

@iguana: does your role explain the movement of items?

Nope

[SpaceAnemone]

ROLES
gkreig: IC.
Iguana: Claim his role is neg-util for town (#773).
RR: Redirects his target's target to another selected player (#782).
Jake: Roleblocker (#790).
Dylan: Flavour-cop-ish. Gets to know name and names of action/items his target has. (#818)
Space: Flavour-filtered follower.
Ashersky: Tracker (#362).

N1 ACTIONS/RESULTS
gkreig: Commute?
Iguana: Tried to use Star Glasses with no result.
RR: Made faust target Dylan (#865).
Jake: RB on iguana. Loud because of his item. (Iguana confirms at #677).
Dylan: Targeted faust, but got no result.
Space: Followed Dylan and got "Gossiping".
Ashersky: Tracked JR, who did nothing (#669)

N2 ACTIONS/RESULTS
gkreig: unknown
Iguana: Tried to use French Accent (babysitter) on gkreig.
RR: Made ash target Jake (#783).
Jake: RB on iguana. Loud because of his item. (Iguana confirms at #751).
Dylan: Used Star Glasses: 2 scum on-wagon (one was JR), one scum off-wagon. (#761)
Space: Used Diary #3 to doctor gkrieg.
Ashersky: Tracked Space, who targeted gkrieg (#844).

N1 ITEMS
gkreig: unknown
Iguana: Star Glasses (scums-on-wagon counter)
RR: Claims his item kills a scum player if a certain criterion is met.
Jake: Loud item.
Dylan: French Accent (babysitter)
Space: Diary #3 (doc)
Ashersky: unknown

N2 ITEMS
gkreig: unknown
Iguana: French Accent (babysitter)
RR: As N1?
Jake: Loud item.
Dylan: Star Glasses (scums-on-wagon counter)
Space: Diary #3 (doc)
Ashersky: As N1?

N3 ITEMS
gkreig: unknown
Iguana: unknown
RR: As N1?
Jake: Loud item?
Dylan: Star Glasses?
Space: French Accent (babysitter)
Ashersky: As N1?

[Roadrunner7671]

I still have the same item.

[SpaceAnemone]

Open questions/issues:

1) Why didn't Iguana's use of Star Glasses work on N1?

2) Why didn't Dylan's N1 flavour copping of faust work?

[faust, Awaclus, Eevee and JR were also all alive N1]

3) Jake and RR's N2 stories don't add up. Jake's version was confirmed by Iguana, so either iguana and Jake are jointly lying, or RR was lying/blocked.

[Eevee was also alive and could have performed actions N2]

4) Do we still have a second killer? (Could Eevee have been our vig who didn't shoot last night?)

5) What's making the items move? Notice that both nights, iguana's item has ended up in other hands, and for the first night at least, it was a straight item swap.

[SpaceAnemone]

G'night all!

[Roadrunner7671]

RR was lying

Wouldn't that be uh...really dumb?

[iguanaiguana]

Open questions/issues:

1) Why didn't Iguana's use of Star Glasses work on N1?

I got roleblocked by a kid wearing a baseball hat.

[gkrieg13]

There could still be 2 scum alive and a SK. I mean look at traitor 11 or whatever yumas setup is called.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

im pretty sure it would be impossible for me and iguana to be partners.

[Roadrunner7671]

im pretty sure it would be impossible for me and iguana to be partners.

Why? You guys have been verifying each other, and iguanaiguana has commented on your play not at all. I agree it's very unlikely, but we shouldn't rule it out.

[iguanaiguana]

Ha, why is that?

[iguanaiguana]

im pretty sure it would be impossible for me and iguana to be partners.

Why? You guys have been verifying each other, and iguanaiguana has commented on your play not at all. I agree it's very unlikely, but we shouldn't rule it out.

That's because he doesn't play.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Also what if scum had a redirect power. (Like idk RR) then if Eevee was the vig they could have NK Eevee and redirect his big shoot at gkrieg but as previously stated gkrieg was saved.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

im pretty sure it would be impossible for me and iguana to be partners.

Why? You guys have been verifying each other, and iguanaiguana has commented on your play not at all. I agree it's very unlikely, but we shouldn't rule it out.

Who would have NKed N2?

[Roadrunner7671]

im pretty sure it would be impossible for me and iguana to be partners.

Why? You guys have been verifying each other, and iguanaiguana has commented on your play not at all. I agree it's very unlikely, but we shouldn't rule it out.

Who would have NKed N2?

I don't think I understand the queston.

[Roadrunner7671]

If Jake killed, then Ashersky's result of Jake targeting gkreig would make sense.

If iguanaiguana killed, then...whatever?

[iguanaiguana]

im pretty sure it would be impossible for me and iguana to be partners.

Why? You guys have been verifying each other, and iguanaiguana has commented on your play not at all. I agree it's very unlikely, but we shouldn't rule it out.

Who would have NKed N2?

I don't think I understand the queston.

He means because he roleblocked me so we were both occupied. He's forgetting that in the hypothetical world where we are both scum, he wouldn't have roleblocked me.

[iguanaiguana]

Like Jake, they think you might be lying.  About what you did. And also me.

[Roadrunner7671]

hypothetical world

So you're saying it's possible? 

[Roadrunner7671]

Like Jake, they think you might be lying.  About what you did. And also me.

Sounds like coaching to me!

[iguanaiguana]

hypothetical world

So you're saying it's possible? 

You are the worst troll on f.ds.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

If Jake killed, then Ashersky's result of Jake targeting gkreig would make sense.

If iguanaiguana killed, then...whatever?

But then gkrieg would know i targeted him because of my item and I would be conf scum which I'm not.

[Roadrunner7671]

If Jake killed, then Ashersky's result of Jake targeting gkreig would make sense.

If iguanaiguana killed, then...whatever?

But then gkrieg would know i targeted him because of my item and I would be conf scum which I'm not.

In tHiS hYpoTHetiCaL wOrLd, yOu aRe lyINg aboUT youR iTem

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe this can be a lesson for you about why you shouldn't roleblocked the same person two nights in a row.

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe this can be a lesson for you about why you shouldn't roleblocked the same person two nights in a row.

But you were scummy both days!!!1

[iguanaiguana]

If younhad roleblocked someone else, we would both ne able to verify your night actions.

[Roadrunner7671]

If younhad roleblocked someone else, we would both ne able to verify your night actions.

But you were scummy both days!!!1

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess I don't really get to talk trash about how to use night actions, but still. No one is posting and there's material to work with.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I can claim flavor if that may help validate my story.

[Roadrunner7671]

I can claim flavor if that may help validate my story.

It won't do anything for me, but knock yourself out.

[gkrieg13]

I play more recklessly when I have a role that there's no way can be a fake claim. I mean, look at Stranger Things mafia for starters if you want.

Vote: Dylan

1. SpaceAnemone-Pretty null here, I don't really remember too much about SA
3. Dylan32-I still don't like that vote he put on ashersky, and I don't really like the reaction to his wagon. That being said, his wagon picked up fairly quickly, so that's in his favor slightly I guess.
4. IDon'tPlayThisGame-Don't really remember much from them either.
5. J Reggie-Seems scummy, which means J Reggie hasn't bee hacked by someone else and replaced. don't really want to vote here though.
6. Jake-I don't know. A little hedgy, but that's not really alignment inductive. Don't want to vote here.
8. faust-Taking a leadership role, I actually think this is sort of scummy. Why would you be trying to lead instead of encouraging the IC to do so?
9. silverspawn-Null.
10. iguanaiguana-Pretty null as well. Not a fan of his rapid changing of votes, but it's D1 and it's iguanaiguana.
11. Awaclus-Pretty null.
12. ashersky-Very ashersky like. I'm not actually towny on him, but I definitely don't want to lynch him because he's not scummy, and a tracker is an asset. ashersky as a player is an asset too.
PPE 2

Why?

Voting for someone purely based off of OMGUS.

Claims:
SpaceAnemone-Nothing?
2. Roadrunner7671-A role that would be hard to fake claim.
3. Dylan32-Nothing?
 J Reggie-X shot watcher.
6. Jake-Compulsive, 1-shot use item.
7. Gkrieg13-1 shot cummute
10. iguanaiguana-Some sort of item that warranted aggressive play and that was replaced with a new item.
12. Ashersky-Tracker
Eevee-That miller item.


Am I missing anything?

Well, I didn't want to do this, but Vote: Iguanaiguana. The J Reggie wagon will have to wait.

Ok some notable quotes from RR.  He is pretty scummy from his position on the J Reggie wagons, especially this last quote, where he tries to get an iguana wagon started after J Reggie has hammered himself.  I think he just hadn't realized that J Reggie was already hammered and was trying to take the heat off of him.  Also his unvote from J Reggie on to Dylan without ever actually hammering J Reggie when he had the chance D1 is also scummy.

[Dylan32]

First, sorry, I've had a really busy last few days.  Went home, Easter sunday, homework, all that jazz.   Also a heads up, I have an orientation conference type thing for my job for next year this weekend, so I probably won't be around much at all Friday, Saturday, up until Sunday evening, so if the day ends early on Sunday, I'm not sure how much I'll be on. Probably will be able to check once at night before bed, but not much more than that.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming:

@iguana, Dylan would the glasses pick up non-town?  Or do they pick up how many scum were on the wagon?

You use the glasses, and they tell you how many scum were on the previous day's lynch bandwagon. It says scum. It doesn't say mafia or non-town. Dylan definitely had the glasses during N2. Our items were swapped N1. But it's not so clear to me that he's telling the truth about the result he got from it.

Yes, the glasses give the number of scum-aligned players on wagon.

Ok, so I didn't commute last night, so it makes sense that ash saw SA target me, and that I needed the doctoring, and that it was probably effective, so I think I want to leave that there.

Dylan, is the flavor for your role copping action "gossip"?  Because that would make it so SA would be a fairly strong townread for me.  Ash is already a strong not-mafia read for me.

Next, there is this weird Dylan wagon-analysis thing.  @iguana, Dylan would the glasses pick up non-town?  Or do they pick up how many scum were on the wagon?

One of my theories about Jake/RR is that Jake is a roleblocker/rolestopper.  So the redirection couldn't take place because someone was rolestopped.  It seems clear to me that iguana was either roleblocked, or he is Jake's partner.

Also, we have this whole RR thing, but it is entirely possible that Dylan is lying about the glasses.  Space points out that his copping should have taken place before the kill, so he should have been able to give us something about faust's role.

So my towns are ash and SA, and everyone else could be scum

Yeah that's the name of the ability.  And I have inquired but am still waiting to hear back on whether or not I actually should have received a result N1.  My result's wording was typical of what you would expect if I was targeted by a RB, so that is a distinct possibility also.

Someone mentioned a potential (yet unlikely) team of iguana and Jake, but to me that is impossible since I was told 2 scum were on wagon and JR would have been one of the two. Which means only one of {Ash, Jake, iguana}, can actually be scum.

[gkrieg13]

If it says scum-aligned, I would think that means members of the mafia.

[gkrieg13]

Which implies a vig dying more than an SK I think.

[Dylan32]

N1 I targeted faust and got no result, most likely because ending up the target of some kill made his results irrelevant.

Thinking more about this, is the lack of answer on faust just a little bit suspicious? We know for certain that item use precedes killing in the action resolution order, so unless something else interfered with it, Dylan should definitely have been able to give us more. The most obvious thing to show "no result" is an RB, but we already seem to have on conveniently-loud RB in the game.

Yeah, Saw this as I reread the stuff I missed, and a scum!RB and a town!JK is possible. If there was a town JK, it might be someone that died last night and targeted me N1. I was pretty far from being universally townread D1, and so it's reasonable that I might have actually been a JK target.  For anyone who knows the show: Is there anything that might suggest a connection between the flipped flavor names and a JK?

[ashersky]

Open questions/issues:

1) Why didn't Iguana's use of Star Glasses work on N1?

I got roleblocked by a kid wearing a baseball hat.

Sounds like a character I recognize.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 3.2

Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
 
Not Voting (6): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, Dylan32, ashersky, gkrieg13

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.final
 
J Reggie (5): ashersky, Dylan32, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, gkrieg13

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

If Dylan isn't lying, then the breakdown is: One of {Dylan, Jake, Igu} + one of {SA, RR} from my perspective.

I don't see a lot of obvious pairings.  Which could be good scum play, I guess.  I feel like if Jake is lying, so is Igu, and that doesn't work with Dylan's claim.  Plus, my result matches what was claimed, which lends more credence to an RR lie (or block).

Still seeing RR as most likely.

[Roadrunner7671]

After school today I'll try to defend myself some.
Two things though:
1. Ashersky, can you share your N1 results (you may havr already, sorry if I missed them)
2. My vote on Iguaniguana after J Reggie was hammered was a joke. I'm starting to think they're not so good for my survival...

[ashersky]

After school today I'll try to defend myself some.
Two things though:
1. Ashersky, can you share your N1 results (you may havr already, sorry if I missed them)
2. My vote on Iguaniguana after J Reggie was hammered was a joke. I'm starting to think they're not so good for my survival...

Ummm...I tracked J Reggie -- how do you forget that?

[SpaceAnemone]

N1 I targeted faust and got no result, most likely because ending up the target of some kill made his results irrelevant.

Thinking more about this, is the lack of answer on faust just a little bit suspicious? We know for certain that item use precedes killing in the action resolution order, so unless something else interfered with it, Dylan should definitely have been able to give us more. The most obvious thing to show "no result" is an RB, but we already seem to have on conveniently-loud RB in the game.

Yeah, Saw this as I reread the stuff I missed, and a scum!RB and a town!JK is possible. If there was a town JK, it might be someone that died last night and targeted me N1. I was pretty far from being universally townread D1, and so it's reasonable that I might have actually been a JK target.  For anyone who knows the show: Is there anything that might suggest a connection between the flipped flavor names and a JK?

If you'd been the target of a JK, my role shouldn't have returned the "gossiping" result on you N1, though, should it?

Scum RB is a bit of an out-there possibility: there was a claimed town tracker out there. A dead town RB might be a more likely scenario.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote Count 2.final
 
J Reggie (5): ashersky, Dylan32, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, gkrieg13

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

If Dylan isn't lying, then the breakdown is: One of {Dylan, Jake, Igu} + one of {SA, RR} from my perspective.

I don't see a lot of obvious pairings.  Which could be good scum play, I guess.  I feel like if Jake is lying, so is Igu, and that doesn't work with Dylan's claim.  Plus, my result matches what was claimed, which lends more credence to an RR lie (or block).

Still seeing RR as most likely.

Obviously I agree that RR is a dead cert if Dylan isn't lying. He wouldn't lie as town. Would he possibly tell truth even as scum, or would he be more likely to suggest that two scum bussed, or that there are only three scum in total where in fact there are more?

Jake could be a loud scum RB and iguana the townie victim, and iguana would still have been able to confirm Jake's actions exactly as he has done. Or Iguana could be a blocked scum and Jake could be a town RB, and iguana could just be lying about the town benefit of the actions he claims to have performed, given that he knew whatever actions he'd actually tried to perform were blocked anyway. I feel this is less likely because at least with iguana, we have external confirmation of the items he had, because they've moved to other people in what looks like two straight item swaps (Dylan N1 and me N2).

The other possibility from my PoV is ash being the on-wagon scum, giving an RR-ash scumteam remaining. It would mean he bussed JR really hard D2, but he's definitely a strong enough player to pull that off. The fact that he looked at the evidence before and came out voting for Jake over RR, even though iguana confirmed Jake's version of events and RR's claimed redirection contradicted ash's own stated result.

Also note that ash came into D2 claiming he had an "interesting result" whereas I'm not sure that's exactly how one would characterize seeing a player target another player who didn't die. We actually have two players claiming to have protected/tried to protect gkrieg, so it's much more likely that a tracker saw a townie player defending the IC than a scum player attacking. Would he really have claimed that as an "interesting" result? He only claimed to have targeted me after I'd claimed my night action, once everyone else's cards were on the table.

[SpaceAnemone]

After school today I'll try to defend myself some.
Two things though:
1. Ashersky, can you share your N1 results (you may havr already, sorry if I missed them)
2. My vote on Iguaniguana after J Reggie was hammered was a joke. I'm starting to think they're not so good for my survival...

Ummm...I tracked J Reggie -- how do you forget that?

Maybe he's boycotting my helpful summary post because I managed to spell gkrieg's name wrong every single time. In my defence, I only really got it wrong once, and then it was a copy-paste job...

Sorry gkrieg!!

[ashersky]

To me, the result was interesting because I thought you were scum who failed to kill gkrieg.  You were a firm scum read going into the night.

Once I learned I was redirected, it appeared Jake was lying.  RR being blocked is a continual possibility, but honestly it seems unlikely as a target, unless by a town RB.  Could have been Eevee I guess.

I continue to think Jake's claim was scummier overall.  I think the RR over Jake case completely hinges on if we believe Igu.  As for Dylan's item, if he's scum, telling the truth works for him here since it still easily frames others.

Basically, I am less convinced of towniness now than I was on D2.

[ashersky]

I'd point out it is in SA's best interest for RR to be scummy, as if he flips town, that leaves SA as the only possible scum off-wagon.

So I'd assume they won't ever be open to a town!RR scenario.

[SpaceAnemone]

Once I learned I was redirected, it appeared Jake was lying.  RR being blocked is a continual possibility, but honestly it seems unlikely as a target, unless by a town RB.  Could have been Eevee I guess.

To me, you're treating RR and Jake differently. You're considering Jake lying, but the scenarios you suggest for RR involve him being blocked, but not him lying. Given that Jake's version of events is corroborated by another player, and RR's directly contradicts your claim, then assuming that RR is lying should be more natural than assuming he's telling the truth and that someone else is lying about blocking RR, where he wasn't even that attractive a blocking target.

[SpaceAnemone]

So I'd assume they won't ever be open to a town!RR scenario.

Any town!RR scenario has to involve a scum!Dylan, or at least a non-town!Dylan, if we're still entertaining the idea of an SK.

I'd be quite okay with exploring whether a Dylan-iguana scum-team is a possibility, for instance.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote Count 2.final
 
J Reggie (5): ashersky, Dylan32, JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Eevee, gkrieg13

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

If Dylan isn't lying, then the breakdown is: One of {Dylan, Jake, Igu} + one of {SA, RR} from my perspective.

I don't see a lot of obvious pairings.  Which could be good scum play, I guess.  I feel like if Jake is lying, so is Igu, and that doesn't work with Dylan's claim.  Plus, my result matches what was claimed, which lends more credence to an RR lie (or block).

Still seeing RR as most likely.

I think the most obvious pair by a longshot is RR + Jake. You know, the pair that claimed to be a redirector and a roleblocker?

If that is the pair, they certainly did not rehearse their fakeclaims very well. But I don't really expect a lot of premeditation from those two.

[iguanaiguana]

Basically,  Jake is a scum roleblocker who has been blocking me every night. Roadrunner is a scum redirector who decided to fakeclaim that he redirected the tracker onto his partner for his partner's town credit without thinking it through carefully how that would make an inconsistency in their stories. Or maybe he was counting on the WIFOM to save Jake.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm also pretty dang sure that Roadrunner has an item that allows him to kill me once he knows who I am.

[ashersky]

Once I learned I was redirected, it appeared Jake was lying.  RR being blocked is a continual possibility, but honestly it seems unlikely as a target, unless by a town RB.  Could have been Eevee I guess.

To me, you're treating RR and Jake differently. You're considering Jake lying, but the scenarios you suggest for RR involve him being blocked, but not him lying. Given that Jake's version of events is corroborated by another player, and RR's directly contradicts your claim, then assuming that RR is lying should be more natural than assuming he's telling the truth and that someone else is lying about blocking RR, where he wasn't even that attractive a blocking target.

There's no explanation for Jake other than truth or lie -- you are purposefully ignoring that, it seems.

If RR is telling the truth, Jake is lying.  There's no other possibility, except redirection, which was already used on me (and two redirectors seems unlikely).

If Jake is telling the truth, RR is lying or was blocked.  Redirection is again a far less likely thing, plus no one else had any conflicting claims.

So, one has more outs than the other, to use an Eevee term.  More possible explanations means more possibility to be town.

That a town!RR implicates you is both sensible to me and problematic for scum!SA.

So, for me it comes down to the more likely of:

SA+Jake
RR+Igu/Dylan

I know Igu feels like RR/Jake is best, and his theory works, but depends on him having guessed their powers right.  MVP to him if he did.

[iguanaiguana]

I guessed nothing!  I SAW Jake's roleblocker power working on me every night. He visited me, and I was able to do nothing.

As for Roadrunner, it's painfully obvious that he is scum at this point.

We just need to lynch Roadrunner now and sort out his partner tomorrow. Once we know for sure he's scum, that will make everything else more clear.

[SpaceAnemone]

If RR is telling the truth, Jake is lying.  There's no other possibility, except redirection, which was already used on me (and two redirectors seems unlikely).

If Jake is telling the truth, RR is lying or was blocked.  Redirection is again a far less likely thing, plus no one else had any conflicting claims.

So, one has more outs than the other, to use an Eevee term.  More possible explanations means more possibility to be town.

Okay, maybe I've been misunderstanding you! I thought you were saying that RR telling the truth was more likely, but this argument seems to say that Jake telling the truth is more likely, which is what I thought anyway.

I was concerned because I was looking at things from a "who's lying" pov, rather than a "who's telling the truth" pov, and in an earlier post, you seemed to have been looking at the "Jake lying" possibility without giving any consideration to the "RR lying" possibility. But that doesn't seem to be what you're doing now.

[SpaceAnemone]

I guessed nothing!  I SAW Jake's roleblocker power working on me every night. He visited me, and I was able to do nothing.

As for Roadrunner, it's painfully obvious that he is scum at this point.

We just need to lynch Roadrunner now and sort out his partner tomorrow. Once we know for sure he's scum, that will make everything else more clear.

There are PRs who can gather extra info in the night, so the more theories and ideas we can churn up before a flip, the more we can target those usefully.

BTW, you haven't claimed any sort of native night action, other than item use, have you?

[SpaceAnemone]

@Jake, would you care to tell me the flavour name of your action and item? One of my options for tonight is to check whether or not what you're saying is true, but it's more believable if you tell me in advance.

[Roadrunner7671]

Wow, I haven't been this confused in a while. Can someone lay out why I'm scum? I think it's because of Dylan's item's POE, but there's other stuff, too. Help?

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess one of SA/Dylan have to be scum? Because if Dylan is lying about the glasses he's probably scum, and if he's not then SA must be. Or I guess it's possible that the glasses were somehow tampered with, but that just seems so unlikely.

[ashersky]

Wow, I haven't been this confused in a while. Can someone lay out why I'm scum? I think it's because of Dylan's item's POE, but there's other stuff, too. Help?

There's the thing where your claim doesn't match results.

[Roadrunner7671]

Wow, I haven't been this confused in a while. Can someone lay out why I'm scum? I think it's because of Dylan's item's POE, but there's other stuff, too. Help?

There's the thing where your claim doesn't match results.

but lying about that would be such a beyond stupid play!

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

@Jake, would you care to tell me the flavour name of your action and item? One of my options for tonight is to check whether or not what you're saying is true, but it's more believable if you tell me in advance.

Ok well the flavor name of my item is literally called Loud Voice. My action name is HUG HUG HUG.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I feel like the scum team is most likely to be RR/Dylan.

[gkrieg13]

Iguana seems scummy for having his item swapped both nights. Switching items would be a scum trait, and you would want to get a useful item I would think.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

What do people think of Dylan?

[gkrieg13]

What do people think of Dylan?

He is way too quiet today.

[gkrieg13]

Same amount of quiet he was in the last game he was scum.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

What do people think of Dylan?

He is way too quiet today.

Yeah I'm now thinking that the other scum is him or iguana though I'm leaning more towards Dylan.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

What do people think of Dylan?

He is way too quiet today.

Yeah I'm now thinking that the other scum is him or iguana though I'm leaning more towards Dylan.

But I do know that iguana is lying which is why there's some doubt in my mind about iguanas towniness.

[gkrieg13]

What do people think of Dylan?

He is way too quiet today.

Yeah I'm now thinking that the other scum is him or iguana though I'm leaning more towards Dylan.

But I do know that iguana is lying which is why there's some doubt in my mind about iguanas towniness.

What is iguana lying about?

[SpaceAnemone]

What do people think of Dylan?

He is way too quiet today.

Yeah I'm now thinking that the other scum is him or iguana though I'm leaning more towards Dylan.

But I do know that iguana is lying which is why there's some doubt in my mind about iguanas towniness.

Wait, what did he lie about? Did I miss something?

(I'm about to vanish for a meeting followed by dinner and choir again... back ~6pm forum time)

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I guessed nothing!  I SAW Jake's roleblocker power working on me every night. He visited me, and I was able to do nothing.

As for Roadrunner, it's painfully obvious that he is scum at this point.

We just need to lynch Roadrunner now and sort out his partner tomorrow. Once we know for sure he's scum, that will make everything else more clear.

Here he implies that he knew was being RB but my item specifically says that the target does not know what was done to them. And if you remember back to D2 he didn't know what was done to him.

[gkrieg13]

I guessed nothing!  I SAW Jake's roleblocker power working on me every night. He visited me, and I was able to do nothing.

As for Roadrunner, it's painfully obvious that he is scum at this point.

We just need to lynch Roadrunner now and sort out his partner tomorrow. Once we know for sure he's scum, that will make everything else more clear.

Here he implies that he knew was being RB but my item specifically says that the target does not know what was done to them. And if you remember back to D2 he didn't know what was done to him.

Yes, but he got back "no result" which is pretty indicative of a roleblock.

[Dylan32]

Sorry for being quiet today. Like I said, life happened this weekend.

One of Jake and Iguana have to be scum by my result if Ash is telling the truth.  One of RR and SA have to be scum. Jake/RR makes sense on the surface.  Iguana looks townie because I assume he's telling the truth about stuff since he presumably has had both the items I've had and told the truth about them, although I could see the ability to swap your item as being more likely a scum trait like gkrieg said.

If only one of RR and Jake are scum, I think RR is the more likely of the two unless RR was RB'd last night by a killed town!RB and Jake is scum RB.  That seems like the only things that really makes sense.

[iguanaiguana]

I guessed nothing!  I SAW Jake's roleblocker power working on me every night. He visited me, and I was able to do nothing.

As for Roadrunner, it's painfully obvious that he is scum at this point.

We just need to lynch Roadrunner now and sort out his partner tomorrow. Once we know for sure he's scum, that will make everything else more clear.

Here he implies that he knew was being RB but my item specifically says that the target does not know what was done to them. And if you remember back to D2 he didn't know what was done to him.

Yes, but he got back "no result" which is pretty indicative of a roleblock.

This. Also thought it might be a jailkeep.

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana seems scummy for having his item swapped both nights. Switching items would be a scum trait, and you would want to get a useful item I would think.

Except that's a half baked idea, because I wouldn't be able to execute an item swapping ability with Jake roleblocking me every night. And we have already Proven that Jake and I can't be the scum team so we know that both Jake and I are not lying about him roleblocking me.

[iguanaiguana]

Wow, I haven't been this confused in a while. Can someone lay out why I'm scum? I think it's because of Dylan's item's POE, but there's other stuff, too. Help?

There's the thing where your claim doesn't match results.

but lying about that would be such a beyond stupid play!

Redirecting the tracker as town is bad play. Making that claim as scum is bad play. So we already know the play is bad and that has nothing to do with alignment.

[SpaceAnemone]

One of Jake and Iguana have to be scum by my result if Ash is telling the truth.

That's an odd "if". Why assume Ash is telling the truth but not assume Jake/Iguana are?

[ashersky]

One of Jake and Iguana have to be scum by my result if Ash is telling the truth.

That's an odd "if". Why assume Ash is telling the truth but not assume Jake/Iguana are?

Doesn't the "if" indicate the opposite of your question?

[Roadrunner7671]

Honestly, I can see a scum igauaniguana I think. I mean, those star glasses would be super powerful for town to have. Wouldn't it make more sense to have them in the game but have scum start with them, since there is clearly item movement?

[SpaceAnemone]

One of Jake and Iguana have to be scum by my result if Ash is telling the truth.

That's an odd "if". Why assume Ash is telling the truth but not assume Jake/Iguana are?

Doesn't the "if" indicate the opposite of your question?

If you untangle it a bit, the statement is basically saying that if we assume you're telling the truth, then one of Jake or Iguana has to be lying. It's a true statement, and maybe it's more likely than not that you're telling the truth, but how does Dylan know that? Why doesn't he also explore the space of probabilities where you're not telling the truth as well? He could have done that just by saying "one of ash, Jake and Iguana is scum", and he'd have had all the bases covered succinctly.

[Dylan32]

One of Jake and Iguana have to be scum by my result if Ash is telling the truth.

That's an odd "if". Why assume Ash is telling the truth but not assume Jake/Iguana are?

Doesn't the "if" indicate the opposite of your question?

If you untangle it a bit, the statement is basically saying that if we assume you're telling the truth, then one of Jake or Iguana has to be lying. It's a true statement, and maybe it's more likely than not that you're telling the truth, but how does Dylan know that? Why doesn't he also explore the space of probabilities where you're not telling the truth as well? He could have done that just by saying "one of ash, Jake and Iguana is scum", and he'd have had all the bases covered succinctly.

I do believe I covered that case earlier.

First, sorry, I've had a really busy last few days.  Went home, Easter sunday, homework, all that jazz.   Also a heads up, I have an orientation conference type thing for my job for next year this weekend, so I probably won't be around much at all Friday, Saturday, up until Sunday evening, so if the day ends early on Sunday, I'm not sure how much I'll be on. Probably will be able to check once at night before bed, but not much more than that.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming:

@iguana, Dylan would the glasses pick up non-town?  Or do they pick up how many scum were on the wagon?

You use the glasses, and they tell you how many scum were on the previous day's lynch bandwagon. It says scum. It doesn't say mafia or non-town. Dylan definitely had the glasses during N2. Our items were swapped N1. But it's not so clear to me that he's telling the truth about the result he got from it.

Yes, the glasses give the number of scum-aligned players on wagon.

Ok, so I didn't commute last night, so it makes sense that ash saw SA target me, and that I needed the doctoring, and that it was probably effective, so I think I want to leave that there.

Dylan, is the flavor for your role copping action "gossip"?  Because that would make it so SA would be a fairly strong townread for me.  Ash is already a strong not-mafia read for me.

Next, there is this weird Dylan wagon-analysis thing.  @iguana, Dylan would the glasses pick up non-town?  Or do they pick up how many scum were on the wagon?

One of my theories about Jake/RR is that Jake is a roleblocker/rolestopper.  So the redirection couldn't take place because someone was rolestopped.  It seems clear to me that iguana was either roleblocked, or he is Jake's partner.

Also, we have this whole RR thing, but it is entirely possible that Dylan is lying about the glasses.  Space points out that his copping should have taken place before the kill, so he should have been able to give us something about faust's role.

So my towns are ash and SA, and everyone else could be scum

Yeah that's the name of the ability.  And I have inquired but am still waiting to hear back on whether or not I actually should have received a result N1.  My result's wording was typical of what you would expect if I was targeted by a RB, so that is a distinct possibility also.

Someone mentioned a potential (yet unlikely) team of iguana and Jake, but to me that is impossible since I was told 2 scum were on wagon and JR would have been one of the two. Which means only one of {Ash, Jake, iguana}, can actually be scum.

I used the strikethrough to indicate that I believe Ash to be telling the truth, therefore not in the pool, but also recognizing there is an outside shot of him playing a masterful scum game.

Space, please be in every game I join, because you seem to be the most consistent person at understanding the intent and meaning behind my words haha.

[Dylan32]

And as for assuming Ash is telling truth but the other two aren't, I don't see a whole lot of people questioning Ash, because--like me--people seem to be inclined to trust him considering his results have been accurate and led to the lynch of scum!JR.  The biggest point of contention lies in the fact that there are inconsistencies somewhere between Iguana, Jake, and Roadrunner. I could see Jake telling the truth about his roleblocking thing as scum and town!iguana would have no reason to lie about seeing Jake, so all 3 of iguana, Jake, and Ash could be telling the truth, and Jake could still be scum.  I could probably think of a case for iguana telling the truth about this as scum--I guess just not wanting Jake to confirm him as scum by lying about it would work--but I am running out the door for an event that'll take the next couple hours, so it'll have to wait till I get back from that.

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Vote Count 3.3

Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
 
Not Voting (6): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, Dylan32, ashersky, gkrieg13

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

[SpaceAnemone]

I used the strikethrough to indicate that I believe Ash to be telling the truth, therefore not in the pool, but also recognizing there is an outside shot of him playing a masterful scum game.

Space, please be in every game I join, because you seem to be the most consistent person at understanding the intent and meaning behind my words haha.

I'm not deliberately misunderstanding you, I'm deliberately making sure that others don't misunderstand the full game state by reading what you were saying in post #949 and assuming there's more evidence than there is that ash is townie.

If RR flips scum, then his partner could be iguana, jake or ash, with some different weightings applied to each.

If RR flips town, then from my point of view, Dylan-ash is probably the most likely team at the moment, though Dylan-iguana and Dylan-Jake (or Dylan-plus-more-people) are all possibilities, in roughly decreasing order of likelihood. Basically it would come down to a me-v-Dylan day, and I want to make sure it's easy to hold you accountable for all the statements you're making now, just in case. That should not bother you if you're actually townie :-)

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Roadrunner

Not much left for me to say.

[ashersky]

The Dylan - SA thing is interesting, maybe because it's all that's really been going on.

I'd say it makes it seem less likely they are partners.  Which could be the point.  Or I'm reading too much into it.

Anyway, vote: RR.

That's L-1.

[iguanaiguana]

If Space is scum, or Ash, I think that means we lose.

No L-1, Gkrieg unvoted.

[Roadrunner7671]

Well, this is pretty bad. After me I'd definitely go for SA, because we're working under the assumption that Dylan isn't lying, so SA has to be scum. Other than that I really don't know.

[iguanaiguana]

I guess there would still be a decent chance at one more day even if RR is town.

[ashersky]

If Space is scum, or Ash, I think that means we lose.

No L-1, Gkrieg unvoted.

Jake is still voting him. Gkrieg hammering makes the most sense.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I guess there would still be a decent chance at one more day even if RR is town.

I just can't see him being town here.

[iguanaiguana]

Actually, RR is pretty damn close to conf!scum from everyone's perspective.

If we assume two scum are left, then Jake and I can't be partners. Dylan would have to be lying about one scum on wagon, one off, which he wouldn't do as town.

Therefore, everyone knows that Jake and I are telling the truth about how he targeted me both nights, since we both claim it.

Therefore, Roadrunner didn't redirect Ash onto Jake, because Ash got the results of targeting SA, not targeting Jake.

So.... either the team is Ash/Jake and Ash was lying to protect his partner, or Roadrunner is lying, or he got blocked, which is astronomically unlikely because we already have a claimed blocker and redirector.

So Roadrunner is lying.

So we are okay.

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Vote Count 3.4

Roadrunner7671 (3): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, ashersky
 
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Dylan32, gkrieg13

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Sunday, 23th Apr at 7am FT.

[Roadrunner7671]

100% guarantee I'm not lying about retargeting Ashersky.

[gkrieg13]

So I will claim my item now. My item makes me hated. Kind of a weird item for an IC, but it is possible that scum gets items of the people they kill, so I thought it would be good to say.

vote: RR

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Vote Count 3.final

Roadrunner7671 (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, ashersky, gkrieg13
 
Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner7671, Dylan32

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

[LaLight]

Roadrunner7671 was lynched! He was Bill, the Chaos Master!

Night 3 starts now and ends Friday, 21st of April at 2am FT. Deadline is prolonged because I won't be able to open the day in time. Night actions deadline is 38 hours from now.

[LaLight]

SpaceAnemone has died! They were Dipper Pines!

Day 4 starts!

Vote Count 4.0
 
Not Voting (5): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, ashersky, Dylan32

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 4 ends Friday, 28th Apr at 2am FT.

[gkrieg13]

Well RR must have caused the item switching and the extra kill?

I think we are in a pretty good position here though.

[gkrieg13]

Well I think more claiming is in order?

[Dylan32]

So RR was an SK. That explains why he would have felt the need to redirect the tracker at least. And with Space being killed and flipping town, that means we are dealing with a 4 on 1 since of the 5 of us who are alive, only IC!gkrieg was off wagon on J Reggie.

I assume we are going to want to claim actions again, so gkrieg, if you would be so kind as to set the order.

**** Important note****
I am leaving for my orientation/training tomorrow around 2 forum time and won't be back til Sunday afternoon.  I will try to check in and read at least once a day, but I will be almost entirely on my phone and won't be able to be on much at all, so consider this a VLA announcement.

PPE2

[Dylan32]

Well RR must have caused the item switching and the extra kill?

I think we are in a pretty good position here though.

Yeah. Item switching sounds like something a "Chaos Master" would do, and we are in great shape. There's 1 scum in {Ash, Jake, Iguana} and we have 2 lynches to get them.

[gkrieg13]

Jake
Iguana
Dylan
Ash

[gkrieg13]

Actually you can claim first Dylan.

[gkrieg13]

That way we don't wait for your claim.

[Dylan32]

That way we don't wait for your claim.

I can go whenever, but I don't have a heck of a lot to claim, because Jake roleblocked me. I tried to gossip about (flavor cop) iguana, but, as is true with roleblockers, I got no result.

[Dylan32]

That way we don't wait for your claim.

I can go whenever, but I don't have a heck of a lot to claim, because Jake roleblocked me. I tried to gossip about (flavor cop) iguana, but, as is true with roleblockers, I got no result.

Edit: as is true when roleblocked*

[iguanaiguana]

I protected Ashersky with the diary.

[iguanaiguana]

Sounds like Jake roleblocked Dylan and killed Spaceanemone.

[iguanaiguana]

I am in Colorado on vacation until Tuesday. Remember killing me will result in two night phases,  which may be desirable at this point anyway.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay wait actually that is not desirable. This is basically Lylo.

[iguanaiguana]

*Mylo

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok well now I know scum is ethier Asher or iguana.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok well now I know scum is ethier Asher or iguana.

Actually I know asher is scum. Vote: Asher I RB iguana N2 and their was a NK. I also RB Dylan last night and their was a NK. That means that asher is the only one left.

[iguanaiguana]

Ok well now I know scum is ethier Asher or iguana.

Actually I know asher is scum. Vote: Asher I RB iguana N2 and their was a NK. I also RB Dylan last night and their was a NK. That means that asher is the only one left.

You also roleblocked me N1 and there were two nightkills, which actually clears me. Roadrunner may have been the only one to do a kill N2. Anyway thanks for reminding me.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok well now I know scum is ethier Asher or iguana.

Actually I know asher is scum. Vote: Asher I RB iguana N2 and their was a NK. I also RB Dylan last night and their was a NK. That means that asher is the only one left.

You also roleblocked me N1 and there were two nightkills, which actually clears me. Roadrunner may have been the only one to do a kill N2. Anyway thanks for reminding me.

If he did that means your scum but I'm pretty sure your not which means asher is.

[Dylan32]

Ok well now I know scum is ethier Asher or iguana.

Actually I know asher is scum. Vote: Asher I RB iguana N2 and their was a NK. I also RB Dylan last night and their was a NK. That means that asher is the only one left.

You also roleblocked me N1 and there were two nightkills, which actually clears me. Roadrunner may have been the only one to do a kill N2. Anyway thanks for reminding me.

If you were roleblocked N2, RR was alive and only one kill through, that actually means Jake could have blocked your kill N2. That seems likely because you and JR could have naturally assumed that Jake wouldn't block you 2 nights in a row, so you tried and failed.

[iguanaiguana]

Yeah I'm not cleared. N1 kill could have been JR and RR. N2 could have been just RR. Sorry had to think about that.

[Dylan32]

Ok well now I know scum is ethier Asher or iguana.

Actually I know asher is scum. Vote: Asher I RB iguana N2 and their was a NK. I also RB Dylan last night and their was a NK. That means that asher is the only one left.

You also roleblocked me N1 and there were two nightkills, which actually clears me. Roadrunner may have been the only one to do a kill N2. Anyway thanks for reminding me.

If you were roleblocked N2, RR was alive and only one kill through, that actually means Jake could have blocked your kill N2. That seems likely because you and JR could have naturally assumed that Jake wouldn't block you 2 nights in a row, so you tried and failed.

Nevermind. I remembered that Ash tracked JR N1:

I tracked J Reggie, scum read and D1 difficult to lynch guy.

He targeted no one, per my result.  I confirmed with the mod that this was a result, as opposed to a "no result" result.

vote: J Reggie

So actually I think this looks bad for Jake.

PPE 1

[Dylan32]

I know it's an RMM and it probably happens, but the only roleblocking role I've ever seen town have is JK. Scum just seems much more likely to have a straight roleblocker.

[iguanaiguana]

Yeah the last scum is totally Jake.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah the last scum is totally Jake.

Or not.  it's ash.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah the last scum is totally Jake.

Or not.  it's ash.

Or iguana.

[Dylan32]

Yeah the last scum is totally Jake.

Or not.  it's ash.

Or iguana.

How could it be iguana? I want to hear this. Seriously, in light of everything that's happened and been claimed (mostly by you), how could it be iguana? I can understand you wanting to keep your options open to make it easier for you to get a mislynch, but come on man.

Vote: Jake

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah the last scum is totally Jake.

Or not.  it's ash.

Or iguana.

How could it be iguana? I want to hear this. Seriously, in light of everything that's happened and been claimed (mostly by you), how could it be iguana? I can understand you wanting to keep your options open to make it easier for you to get a mislynch, but come on man.

Vote: Jake

Ok so I RB you last night and there was a scum NK so your a IC to me. Gkrieg is a IC. That leaves ash and iguana. I'm 99.9999999999% sure scum is ash but there's always that 0.0000000001% chanace that he's not. That's leaves only iguana to be that .0000000001% chanace of scum.

I know it's an RMM and it probably happens, but the only roleblocking role I've ever seen town have is JK. Scum just seems much more likely to have a straight roleblocker.

So you think I'm scum because you haven't seen a tow straight RB in a RMM. That's quite possibly some of the worst reasoning I've ever heard. I've never seen a flavor cop before in RMM. Does that mean your scum?

[gkrieg13]

Well I mean roleblocker is clearly better for scum than for town.  Considering most games with PRs have either a scum strongman or a scum roleblocker.

[ashersky]

I confirm Iguana targeted me, Dylan appears to have been blocked, gkrieg is IC.

vote: jake

Block, kill, and frame was your best shot.  I get it.

No lynch is the other option here, but since the only kill stopper around is the scum, we just lose gkrieg and do this over again, right?

[gkrieg13]

no lynch is only bad in 2 cases:

1) If there are 2 scum left,

2) If scum can triple kill.

Neither of those seems super likely.

[gkrieg13]

I think no lynch is the best option.  Because if iguana is a beloved princess, that still leaves us at 3-person LYLO, if both kills go through.  And Jake will be doing lots of POE with killing and blocking, and we will have the tracking from ash.  Seems like the best case scenario.  We are left with ICs, investigative roles, and a roleblocker.  It seems like scum shouldn't be able to escape this.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Fine lynch me (terrible town play here) but lynch ash tomorrow or else GG ash.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Fine lynch me (terrible town play here) but lynch ash tomorrow or else GG ash.

Just to be clear I WILL BE BLOCKING ASH TONIGHT if there is a no lynch and I guarantee their will be no NK. If not then it's up to the rest of town to lynch ash tomorrow.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Jake

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: Jake

Lol the town loses another GG ash.

[gkrieg13]

Lame, so it was ash/iguana?  Or Dylan/iguana

[gkrieg13]

Probably Dylan/iguana

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Nah just ash I think

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Nah just ash I think

Ash/iguana.

[Dylan32]

I think no lynch is the best option.  Because if iguana is a beloved princess, that still leaves us at 3-person LYLO, if both kills go through.  And Jake will be doing lots of POE with killing and blocking, and we will have the tracking from ash.  Seems like the best case scenario.  We are left with ICs, investigative roles, and a roleblocker.  It seems like scum shouldn't be able to escape this.

You sound like you are sure Jake is scum already, yet would rather not lynch now.  If we were in this situation and didn't have one person that stuck out as really scummy, I would agree with you. However, from my perspective, the only two options are Jake and Ash since iguana seems to me to be completely cleared. Ash seems to have been almost completely accurate and caught JR, so I really don't think it's him, but he's really the only other option. I was RB'd last night and a kill went through, so I should be cleared, and you are literally IC, so why not go ahead?

PPE lots

[gkrieg13]

But iguana would never hammer as town.  You don't hammer without the IC on the wagon.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

But iguana would never hammer as town.  You don't hammer without the IC on the wagon.

Yeah ash/iguana was the team. Why was I even lynched.

[Dylan32]

But iguana would never hammer as town.  You don't hammer without the IC on the wagon.

At the end of the game or in general?

[Dylan32]

And why are we assuming there were actually 2 scum left? If there is just one and Jake is town, that isn't actually it.

[gkrieg13]

But iguana would never hammer as town.  You don't hammer without the IC on the wagon.

At the end of the game or in general?

Well clearly at the end of the game.  At possible MYLO it is just insane to do so.

[gkrieg13]

I will be super mad if iguana is town.  Also super mad that people voted too early if iguana is scum.  Why give the quick hammer opportunity!!!

[ashersky]

Fine lynch me (terrible town play here) but lynch ash tomorrow or else GG ash.

Just to be clear I WILL BE BLOCKING ASH TONIGHT if there is a no lynch and I guarantee their will be no NK. If not then it's up to the rest of town to lynch ash tomorrow.

This is ridiculous of course.  Just block + no kill gives you the result you want.

[ashersky]

I will be super mad if iguana is town.  Also super mad that people voted too early if iguana is scum.  Why give the quick hammer opportunity!!!

Where did Igu go after his vote?

[gkrieg13]

I will be super mad if iguana is town.  Also super mad that people voted too early if iguana is scum.  Why give the quick hammer opportunity!!!

Where did Igu go after his vote?

What do you mean?  Obviously it was a quickhammer.

[iguanaiguana]

I will be super mad if iguana is town.  Also super mad that people voted too early if iguana is scum.  Why give the quick hammer opportunity!!!

Where did Igu go after his vote?

Garden of the gods.


I am town.

[gkrieg13]

Why hammer then?  Why hammer without the IC?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I will be super mad if iguana is town.  Also super mad that people voted too early if iguana is scum.  Why give the quick hammer opportunity!!!

Where did Igu go after his vote?

Garden of the gods.


I am town.

Ok I did a reread and ash had been targeting me today and yesterday by saying that "if RR's not scum then jakes scum" and "what if there both scum" (talking about me and RR). Ash is clearly scum which means he has to be the lynch tomorrow (if there is one.)

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I will be super mad if iguana is town.  Also super mad that people voted too early if iguana is scum.  Why give the quick hammer opportunity!!!

Where did Igu go after his vote?

Garden of the gods.


I am town.

Ok I did a reread and ash had been targeting me today and yesterday by saying that "if RR's not scum then jakes scum" and "what if there both scum" (talking about me and RR). Ash is clearly scum which means he has to be the lynch tomorrow (if there is one.)

That's if iguana is town. Also notice how the NK was the person who was about to confirm me as town. (Space said he was checking me last night)

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Vote Count 4.final
 
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): Dylan32, ashersky, iguanaiguana
Not Voting (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.

[LaLight]

JaketheBaseballGod22 was lynched! He was Grenda!

gkrieg13, who was Waddles is endgamed.
iguanaiguana, who was Mabel Pines is endgamed.

The team of Dylan32 (Pacifica Northwest), ashersky (Dipper's Clone) and J Reggie (Gideon) have won.

Thread unlocked.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Dang

[LaLight]

N1 action resolution

faust
hides behind ashersky. dies.
Jake
RBs II
Iguanaiguana
uses Star Glasses (blocked)
gets to know Jake visited
Loses star glasses, gets French Accent
J Reggie
watches ashersky
result: faust targeted
Roadrunner
kill Faust
Eevee
Bus drives II and Jake
Roadrunner
Redirect Ash into Jake into II
J Reggie
kills Awaclus
Roadrunner
Exchange items Jake (II) and Dylan
SpaceAnemone
Serch for Secrets: Dylan
ashersky
tracks J Reggie (II), result No one
Dylan32
rolecops Awaclus, No Result
gets Star Glasses
Awaclus
Knows the item and properties of Eevee item
dies

N2 action resolution
Jake
RBs II
Eevee
Bus Drive Ash-Iguana
II
Protects gk
RR
ash->gkrieg
change items SA<->ash
Dylan
kills Eevee
Ash
tracks SA
SA
protects gk

Eevee dead
ash gets your target targeted gk
II gets Jake visited
SA and igu changed stuff

N3 action resolution
ii
Doctors ash
ashersky
kills SA
tracks iguana
Jake
RBs Dylan
Dylan
Flavor Cops Iguanaiguana
SA
SfS ash

[iguanaiguana]

Sorry!

[LaLight]

RMM41 Secret History

Initially I thought that town having all these sweet PRs is overpowered by itself and there is not quite much to do with that. But then I understood there are some negative utilities or roles that need a good skill to use well. Also I decided making some random roles and Item Switching between players, so they will need to adapt to the game.

Items were semi-random. Mostly I just have chosen the item flavor for a person and then tied the role that fits. After that looked at the whole picture and correctd stuff.

Let's look closer at the roles:

Dipper Pines (SpaceAnemone)

Ability: Flavor cop, who gets to know flavor of the ability/item a person used the same night
Item: Diary #3, Doctor.

Flavorwise both the ability and item match Dipper pretty well. Not a very powerful ability, which, though can spot a Nightkill. Flavors of abilities were not, in any way, tied to the flavor. Some abilities were called pretty townie, like "Help!", some were scummy, "Disguise", "Rage", some were falsely scummy, like "Looking for partner" for Cop. All the roles were named with this in mind.

Mabel Pines (iguanaiguana)

Role: Beloved Princess
Item: Star Glasses (Sensor)

This is one of those roles that are both very powerful (sensor may know the whole setup N1!) and very hurtful to town. You should push so lynch will occur, you should lay low to not be killed and not to be lynched. I love this role, it matches both the flavor and my understanding of a good role.

Waddles (gkrieg13)

Role: IC
Item: The Cutest nose in the world (Loved)

Loved IC, huh? Asking me why I did this? The reason is quite simple! Why not? One of the most powerful for scum item is in the hands of IC! I was thinking that SK will switch IC's item quite soon, but in fact I was wrong.

Grenda (JacktheBaseballGod22)

Ability: HUG! HUG! HUG!, Roleblocker
Item: Loud Voice

One of those roles that needs careful treatment. Town RB is super cool and powerful, but can easily be a negative utility (which in fact happened N1). Nothing really more to say about the role. Well, maybe that it is so obviously scummy as it is, that I gave it to town?

Sheriff Blubs (silverspawn)

Ability: Search for partner (Random Cop)
Item: Black Glasses (Rolecop)

This is one of the most powerful town roles. Random Cop may be useless if the results come to scum hands, but it may decide quite a lot if it is in town ones. Rolecop is cool too.

Robbie Valentino (faust)

My favourite one.

Abilities: Help! (Odd-Night Hider), Find the Courage! (Even-Night JK)
Item: Dark Thought I Want To Speak About: Neighbourizer.

I wanted town to have reduced JK. I was thinking about how do i do it. And I came with the conclusion that I want to do him risky. Weak Jailkeeper doesn't make any sense, so I chose Hider for that.
Item is just a topping, so the person would try to see who is town in personal conversation, so they will hide successfully.

Stanford Pines (Awaclus)

Ability: Dangerous Science: Rolecop on Items
Item: 6th finger: non-consecutive PGO

Perfect flavorwise. I have made this item just PGO, but then realised it's too powerful. The person will just activate PGO every night and the town will have another IC.

Soos (Eevee)

Ability: Golf Car Driver: Bus Driver
Item: "?" T-Shirt: Miller

The funny easter egg is that Soos was the only guy in the series with this T-Shirt and if anyone would find the list of characters of whatever they would know, that the guy with this T-Shirt is town. What I loved about Miller is that it interacts funny with Hider and Star Glasses. Such a pity igu was blocked.

Scum
Scum in this game wasn't given scum powers (Strongman, Ninja, etc.) but was given perfect roles to claim.

Gideon (J Reggie)
Fakeclaim: Stanley Pines
Ability: Rage: 2-shot Item Destroyer
Item: TV-set: Watcher

Watcher and Tracker both in scum team. I wonder if anyone really has thought about it. 2-sho Item Destroyer was the only thing that could interact with Items except SK's one.

Pacifica Northwest (Dylan32)
Fakeclaim: Candy
Ability: Gossiping: Flavor Cop
Item: French Accent: Babysitter

The third Flavor Cop in this company. Good for finding Bill, good for finding twins. Good for fakeclaiming. Babysitter is just a cool role for scum who works versus SK and also a perfect claim.

Dipper's Clone (ashersky)
Fakeclaim: Lazy Susan
Abilities: Where are you going?: Tracker, Disguise: When Dipper Pines dies, you acquire his abilities and items.
Item: A pie: 1-shot Vanillaizer

1-shot Vanillaizer is a huge addition to the scum-team. IOther than that a cool scum Tracker. It really worked!

Bill, the Chaos Master (Roadrunner7671)
Fakeclaim: Wendy
Abilities
1) Chaos!: Redirector
2) More Chaos!: Item Changer
3) And Even More Chaos!: 1-shot Nexus
4) Chaos Chaos Chaos!: 1-shot Mass item exchanger
5) MAXIMUM CHAOS!: 1-shot Mass Redirection
6) You can't kill me!: Bulletproof
7) Rules are for borings!: You may use any amount of differently named actions AND items every night.

Item: Axe: Vigilante

This is my masterpiece. Unkillable Chaos Master who can kill and do much fun stuff. Note that if Bill would lose his item, he wouldn't have any ways to kill! That what I loved about this role. Funny was that in the end he didn't lie about redirection, so we may say Eevee did a good job!

Mod Errors:
There were some errors, big or small, that could influence the game in a little or big way. I will share them with you and you, The People, will decide what to do with me next.

1) My favorite one. On Day 3 I accidentally send ashersky the speccy for the game. He claimed he did not read it, I believe.
2) Dylan's Flavor Cop on faust. We bounced this back and forth in speccy, and I am still unsure this was an error. Thing is: N1 faust died hiding behind ashersky, and I gave Dylan No Result because in my head when the person is already dead (and if we look at the action resolution order, he was dead already) then you get no result. Feel free to criticize.
3) The most serious one I believe. On Night 1 or 2 I confused the order of RR's redirection and Eevee's bus-driving, so RR was first and Eevee after him. I don't know how serious that was, but here it is.

To sum up I really enjoyed the game. And as well I enjoyed the setup construction. Thank you all guys for playing, I hope this was not the worst game in your lives. Thanks!

[LaLight]

speccy
another speccy
Mafia QT

people, feel free to share your personal QTs.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

JaketheBaseballGod22 was lynched! He was Grenda!

gkrieg13, who was Waddles is endgamed.
iguanaiguana, who was Mabel pines is endgamed.

The team of Dylan32 (Pacifica Northwest), ashersky (Dipper's Clone) and J Reggie (Gideon) have won.

Thread unlocked.

I even made a massive case against Dylan and case their was no NK.

[LaLight]

Also, feel free to criticize me!

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/b2duDByB5ajNG

My QT. Has a case against Dylan in it.

[ashersky]

Whew.

[LaLight]

Ah, another official part. I hereby pronounce ashersky the MVP for being towread so massively and for planning plans that worked.

[ashersky]

Folks fighting the J Reggie lynch are scummy.  FoS any of you.

Ash doesn't bus like this.

My fav post.

[ashersky]

Shout out to J Reggie for being a great sport about the sacrifice.

[schadd]

everybody whomst townread ash was wrong. i have evidence

[schadd]

why did anyone think it was ash/igu other than me

[gkrieg13]

I was right about ash at the beginning of the game!

[LaLight]

my fav part was when SA decided to babysit ash on the last night, then igu decided to doctor ash then SA changed their mind, Would've been unexpected for Dylan

[LaLight]

oh and another funny thing was when scum killed PGO N1

[ashersky]

I was right about ash at the beginning of the game!

You were.  Although my grumpiness was real and not alignment-related.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

why did anyone think it was ash/igu other than me

I did

[faust]

Being a Hider when you can't target like 50% of players without dying is kinda mean. Just saying

[ashersky]

Being a Hider when you can't target like 50% of players without dying is kinda mean. Just saying

Did you softclaim Hider anywhere?  Literally no one considered that possibility.

[LaLight]

Being a Hider when you can't target like 50% of players without dying is kinda mean. Just saying

It was not compulsive

[LaLight]

Being a Hider when you can't target like 50% of players without dying is kinda mean. Just saying

It was not compulsive

And you had the IC!

[SpaceAnemone]

my fav part was when SA decided to babysit ash on the last night, then igu decided to doctor ash then SA changed their mind, Would've been unexpected for Dylan

I really agonised over that! If there'd been only one mafia-person left, I think following Ash rather than babysitting him would have been more townie, because while killing ash with a babysit would have been a glorious way to go out, I figured there was no need to play risky like that (and every chance he wouldn't kill me since I'd announced (a bit subtly, but still!) that I had the babysitter shot, and was clearly scumreading him by the end of that day.

The fact that Igu protected ash makes me feel better about not using the babysit shot after all, but I really don't understand how everyone else thought ash was so townie -- he was sooooo obviously being scummy in his flawed arguments and overconfident language :-(

If the babysitter shot had been left where it was, and if igu hadn't interfered, I'd hope Dylan would have been caught, because by that point it would be clear that his Star Glasses info was incorrect.

I think the thing that had me confused at the end of D3 was that I didn't think three scum plus one SK in a game that size felt likely at all, and that hunch seemed to be backed up by enough vets that they couldn't all be scum :-(

[gkrieg13]

To be fair, we only had one mislynch before LYLO. So we didn't do too badly as town.

[faust]

Being a Hider when you can't target like 50% of players without dying is kinda mean. Just saying

Did you softclaim Hider anywhere?  Literally no one considered that possibility.

No; I wanted to be targeted by scum.

It sucks that there are no role flips. That is a major boost for scum.

[silverspawn]

To be fair, we only had one mislynch before LYLO. So we didn't do too badly as town.

such a huge factor in these games is who dies at night.