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[Eevee]

I mean, I think it is trickery, you were trying to be deceptive about the true state of the vote count to trick people into behaving differently (for the common good as you explain, sure).

And I can see the advantages (now that you explained it), but I'm not sure they outweigh the negatives of everyone not being aware of the correct vote count. I appreciate the effort, especially in a game that needs action like this one, but there are probably some unforeseen hazards that could come out of that. Maybe better to encourage people to pro-town behavior without tricking them about the state of the vote count. I would have stayed on RR had you not made it seem like he was about to get hammered.

[Roadrunner7671]

What was mcmc's question? I'll find it!

[pingpongsam]

It was not trickery just because you were confused. I claimed intent hammer not because it was L-1 but to stop it going to L-1 or to make the person going to L-1 give damn good reason.

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner let's see if this helps.

1) Specifically how do you feel about my case on 2.7
2) About my case on eevee
3) And give me your overall thoughts on one other player(you choose)

Oh.

2.7 feels scummy to me, but I don't think it's because of your case.
I could get behind an Eevee vote, but again, not really because of your case.
I think you're town.

[pingpongsam]

It was not trickery just because you were confused. I claimed intent hammer not because it was L-1 but to stop it going to L-1 or to make the person going to L-1 give damn good reason.

To be clear, I was not in any way trying to make it unclear what the vote count was.

[Eevee]

Where do you think I lied then? I didn't really get what you were insinuating.

[pingpongsam]

Where do you think I lied then? I didn't really get what you were insinuating.

The part where you said you thought it was L-1. The vote count came well ahead of that claim and after my intent to hammer so I'm not sure how you could be misunderstanding it.

[Eevee]

Well, I did. I really only pay attention to vote counts before voting myself, or when doing wagon analysis. Why would I lie about that?

[Eevee]

Well, I did. I really only pay attention to vote counts before voting myself, or when doing wagon analysis. Why would I lie about that?

To clarify: What's your scum narrative, what is it you think that happened?

[pingpongsam]

Well, I did. I really only pay attention to vote counts before voting myself, or when doing wagon analysis. Why would I lie about that?

You wouldn't. Unvote

[mcmcsalot]

Roadrunner let's see if this helps.

1) Specifically how do you feel about my case on 2.7
2) About my case on eevee
3) And give me your overall thoughts on one other player(you choose)

Oh.

2.7 feels scummy to me, but I don't think it's because of your case.
I could get behind an Eevee vote, but again, not really because of your case.
I think you're town.

So that's all great but i've got some follow up:

1) why do you feel 2.7 is scummy
2) why could you get behind an eevee vote
3) why do you think I'm Town

[mcmcsalot]

So this recent thing from eevee/pps is wierd.

First off someone says intent to hammer and as town I'm on a wagon that feels really really fresh and not everyone has commented, I'm unvoting before I read ANYTHING. You can always hop back on I don't think that's a scummy thing to do.

However the explaination of the unvote is overly paranoid which usually means scum. If anything I think if rr is scum I think it's likely eevee wanted to unvote but rather than provide a normal reason like oh I want to wait to see if he will defend himself, he thought that might look scummy so he made up a wierd reasoning about not wanting to look like scum with robz/pps? I don't know it's out there but either way I guess I don't find eevees post towny.

[mcmcsalot]

Really the read I get out of that is I find pps towny for the whole preventing scum from an easy l-1, I think in theory it's actually a silly thing to do and confused people but I thought that about the first thing he talked about this game too and I think that's just how pps towns.

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner let's see if this helps.

1) Specifically how do you feel about my case on 2.7
2) About my case on eevee
3) And give me your overall thoughts on one other player(you choose)

Oh.

2.7 feels scummy to me, but I don't think it's because of your case.
I could get behind an Eevee vote, but again, not really because of your case.
I think you're town.

So that's all great but i've got some follow up:

1) why do you feel 2.7 is scummy
2) why could you get behind an eevee vote
3) why do you think I'm Town

Keep in mind, all my reads are mild.

1. Mostly because of the conversation with himself. It clutters the thread, but it also seems like a cry like 'Look at me! I'm contributing!'
2. The way he reacted to my 'soft claim.'
3. You're sort of the opposite of 2.7. You've been contributing, but you've been sort of under the radar about it, like you don't care about town points and only want to do good stuff.

[mcmcsalot]

At roadrunner:
1) totally agree, it hasn't changed my opinion he is scummy
2) hmm this is eevee's reaction.

I think RR's softclaim was the kind of anti-town mistake that usually comes from town.

I can see that feeling like awkward buddying to you.
3) yay

[2.71828.....]

Roadrunner let's see if this helps.

1) Specifically how do you feel about my case on 2.7
2) About my case on eevee
3) And give me your overall thoughts on one other player(you choose)

Oh.

2.7 feels scummy to me, but I don't think it's because of your case.
I could get behind an Eevee vote, but again, not really because of your case.
I think you're town.

So that's all great but i've got some follow up:

1) why do you feel 2.7 is scummy
2) why could you get behind an eevee vote
3) why do you think I'm Town

Keep in mind, all my reads are mild.

1. Mostly because of the conversation with himself. It clutters the thread, but it also seems like a cry like 'Look at me! I'm contributing!'
2. The way he reacted to my 'soft claim.'
3. You're sort of the opposite of 2.7. You've been contributing, but you've been sort of under the radar about it, like you don't care about town points and only want to do good stuff.

I know, I can hardly find any of your posts through all the clutter

[Eevee]

It appears I may have been on the wrong about the optics of us lynching RR like that, but I don't think paranoia is the word - feels you are using it because it paints me in a scummy light.

I still think it's reasonable of me to take something like that into account, but seems I shouldn't have posted it. As town I try to err on the side of sharing too much, hoping someone can formulate a town read from some of it. Feels counterproductive if it only makes me people want to lynch me.

[2.71828.....]

When I started the conversation with myself, there had been 11 posts by 5 players in the last 24 hours. I felt like I was talking to myself, so I did

[Roadrunner7671]

When I started the conversation with myself

See there's your problem!

[mcmcsalot]

Yea still think 2.7 is th best lynch option so far, I would vote for eevee pending a more fully fleshed out case.

Jimm/eevee thoughts on robz play so far, he seems dostan

[mcmcsalot]

Yea still think 2.7 is th best lynch option so far, I would vote for eevee pending a more fully fleshed out case.

Jimm/eevee thoughts on robz play so far, he seems dostan distant and uninterested so for sure town?

[Eevee]

Robz has been very lurky as well, first he participated in the setup discussion, then sheeped my 9 words- case on RR, then sheeped PPS saying I'm mega scummy with a vote (no explanation).

I mean, it's hard to say, Robz has played uninterested and distant as scum before day 1, and his early theory discussion was clearly an attempt to participate and engage anyways.

I could actually see a Robz lynch, the body of work isn't great as far as giving opinions on other people goes (or explaining them, at least, although the RR vote was pretty self-explanatory).

Then again I would guess most people here don't have a lot of actual reads, since so little has happened before the past few hours. I would be up for a Robz lynch, though.

Vote: Robz Ah, first time in forever! Still feels just as good.

[pingpongsam]

Robz is well within his D1 meta.

[Jimmmmm]

Unvote while catching up.

[Eevee]

Oh, Robz has posted he was VLA this week though, I didn't see that until now. I guess I'll Unvote, since most of my reason for the vote was him not really weighing in on anything since the early claim talk.