I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?
Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.
I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?
/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).
/in for literally any form of mafia
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I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.
The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right? Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.
What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.
The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right? Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.
What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.
The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right? Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.
What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?
Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post. So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players. So say you roll:
JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)
You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.
Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.
The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right? Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.
What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?
Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post. So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players. So say you roll:
JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)
You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.
Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?
That fits much better with what I want to do! Although I may need to change some things up. Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players? I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.
I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.
The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right? Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.
What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?
That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?
Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post. So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players. So say you roll:
JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)
You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.
Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?
That fits much better with what I want to do! Although I may need to change some things up. Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players? I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.
It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs. Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.
Can someone tell what this all means? :))Don't worry, I don't know either
Hey, RR: Something witty.Can someone tell what this all means? :))Don't worry, I don't know either
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
How does that look?Hey, RR: Something witty.Can someone tell what this all means? :))Don't worry, I don't know either
You're welcome. :P
Can someone tell what this all means? :))
If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.
Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.
So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.
How does that look?Hey, RR: Something witty.Can someone tell what this all means? :))Don't worry, I don't know either
You're welcome. :P
And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.:D
So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?
Greetings.
I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.
Hi Everyone!
vote: iguana
Wagons!!!
(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)
So far, everything is going according to plan.
Hi Everyone!
vote: iguana
Wagons!!!
(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)
I'm Trampoline btw.
I'm Trampoline btw.
Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?
Hi everyone!We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.
I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?
I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
Hi everyone!
I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?
I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
Hi everyone!We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.
I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?
I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool
Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part
He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting meSilverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part
Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...
Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.If you want to vote you have to use bolding.
Vote: Silverspawn
He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me
I'm Trampoline btw.
Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?
That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.
I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.
I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.
it's hard to use bolding form the phone.No problem! I sort of know you so I'll help you out. But bolding isn't that hard from a phone! Or at least not if you press the button
I'll try
Vote: Silverspawn
And thanks RR for helping! I nearly believed you're the good guy down here.
What does that even mean?!He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me
Good, good.
I will send someone over to brush your toes.
Anyway, Vote: JosephI think it's a null tell but that is annoying to me. I thought he'd stop after he got burned for it
He's scum this game. He said so himself.
<b>Jospeh </b>Vote: Jospeh
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?I can't help you there. Reading the setup might be helpful?
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?
Either I'm dumb or it's not really bad meaning it's super obvious.<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Using angle brackets like so: <b>I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that >:(
That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Using angle brackets like so: <b>I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that >:(
That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.
Nobody decided anything, RR.Hold on, let me find out if Calamitas is new
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive dataFirst mafia game, my eperience is limited to some IRL werewolf (15 games or so).
Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
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mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
Vote: Calamitas
Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.
People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.
People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust,I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.no problem
Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.
So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!
I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.
But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.
I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.
But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.
Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.
But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.
Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.
People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?I can answer these.
Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.
Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.
Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?
Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust,no problem
so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?
Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
This is a concept called Wine in Front of Me (or WIFOM), a reference from the Princess BrideMakes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.
But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.
Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?
Come on.Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.
People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.I didn't say he was supposed to be a leader. I said that he needed to stop being mysterious and using bold, colored fonts. I do not think anyone should sheep silverspawn just because he's a veteran
LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.
RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"
But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
Hi.I still don't like this.
I'm scum again.
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Uh, yes you did.
A leader. Not the leaderSilverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Uh, yes you did.
why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense
Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
IMO maybe slightlyImo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.
LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.
RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"
But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
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mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.
why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?
IMO maybe slightlyImo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.IMO maybe slightlyImo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
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Slight Town
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vote: Calamitas
This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.IMO maybe slightlyImo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
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mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.
I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...
(Phone posting from a train with limited data connectivity... hope this works!)
IMO maybe slightlyImo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.
Vote: Iguanaiguana<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Please do keep your vote on the only active player in the game. That seems productive and not scummy at all!
We don't necessarily need a "leader" as such.why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense
That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.
You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.
Also clearly I'm not the only vet since mail-mi has been around in my first game and before.
What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.Vote: Iguanaiguana<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.
I can see I'm in serious trouble.
Yeah that's sort of what I meant. But he also seems unsure which is a thing called 'hedging,' and that's definitely scummy.What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.Vote: Iguanaiguana<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.
I can see I'm in serious trouble.
Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)
Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".
I've already stated my reasons.
Vote: Calamitas
Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.
Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
Town
mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.
I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around. But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same :'(I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.
I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.
You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)
I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!
After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.
But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same :'(
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.
Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same :'(
Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.
Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same :'(
Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
Exactly.When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.
Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same :'(
Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town. Seprix is pretty null, trying to turn your 'slip' into a thing is either a towny blunder or a scummy thing, I'm not sure which yet.Exactly.When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.
Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same :'(
Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...
But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.
Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.
I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.
Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.
I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?
Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.
I am not a native-speaker as well but it shouldn't cause any trouble.Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.
I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?
I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!
If only most people around here were bright and chatty...
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Vote: Jospeh
Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
Town
mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
IMO maybe slightlyImo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet
What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.
I've already stated my reasons.Vote: Calamitas
Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.Current readsHow would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...
Town
mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.
By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.
vote: iguana
Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?
Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?
hai
Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.
Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?
So to clarify
Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?
I don't know what 'monoglottism' meansIs anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?
hai
Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...
I don't know what 'monoglottism' meansIs anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?
hai
Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...
Iguana is playing scummy. When he gets solvy this early, he's usually scum.
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.
I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.
LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.
RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"
But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.
Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.
So to clarify
Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?
Also, SS is acting weird.
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
Also, SS is acting weird.
Aw, thanks! It means a lot.
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
Isn't it 5? we are nine
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
Isn't it 5? we are nine
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
Isn't it 5? we are nine
It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.
That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still
I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.
Isn't it 5? we are nine
It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.
Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.
Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.
I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.
I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.
I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.
I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.
I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.
Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.
Is posting pictures allowed?I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.
I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.
Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.
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ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.
Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.
Unvote: Silverspawn
Vote: Seprix
S
Is posting pictures allowed?
You certainly don't disappoint me.S
Is posting pictures allowed?
Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
You certainly don't disappoint me.S
Is posting pictures allowed?
Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?
Okay, makes sense.You certainly don't disappoint me.S
Is posting pictures allowed?
Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?
no media you create
Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un
Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player unCould you please elaborate on the reasons behind your unvoting ;-)
I take credit for creating this ruleYou certainly don't disappoint me.S
Is posting pictures allowed?
Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?
no media you create
I take credit for creating this rule
Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpfulI take credit for creating this rule
Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.I take credit for creating this rule
Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.I take credit for creating this rule
Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
Also, someone said that when someone dies only their alignment is revealed. This is not the case in forum mafia. In forum mafia it would look like this:
Roadrunner, the Mafia JOAT,has been lynched!
Roadrunner, the Loud Copwas killed in the night!
Roadrunner, a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.
I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Agree, ss is being unhelpful by not providing anything.Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpfulI take credit for creating this rule
Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
request prod on JosephProd not needed.
Steganography is not limited to pictures, everu breadcrump is some kind of steganography. Actually, the picture version was the reason I asked about the exact limitations of posting pictures ;-)Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.I take credit for creating this rule
Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.
With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)
FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.
I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.
This is a bad vote, and you know it.
See the last mafia game we were in- I played towny all game, even though I was scum.FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.
I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.
This from you. But besides that, why don't you tell me how not to play a scummy game. I'll take it into consideration.
Pretty sure it isn't.Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.
This is a bad vote, and you know it.
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
Not sure what to make of all this. Seprix L-1 vote was surely strange, especially since the most recent Vote count was only 11 posts before his vote. IMO there are two possible explanations for that behavior:
1. (And far more likely): He just made a mistake, could be the case with either alignment. Therefore I wouldn't rate that as particular scummy (nor towny) since it is surely drawing attention towards him which is not helpful in either case.
2. (Don't know if it fits to Seprix previous behavior): He actually wanted to draw attention away from iguana. As you can see, two unvoted right after his vote and attention moved towards a Joseph-Seprix "bad-play" claim feast. Obviously that would only make sense if iguana and seprix form the mafia (or I am missing sth.). Haven't looked up the thread for previous hints in that direction, will do so later.
For now, my vote will remain on iguana since the previous arguments that convinced me to do so are still valid.
Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
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FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:
Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight
Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:
Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight
In other words, what you're saying is
"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."
A few posts ago you were harshly defending Seprix. Did the post from above change and is that something Seprix has not "done many times as town" ?Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:
Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight
In other words, what you're saying is
"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."
A few posts ago you were harshly defending Seprix. Did the post from above change and is that something Seprix has not "done many times as town" ?Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:
Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight
In other words, what you're saying is
"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."
Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
Seprix is known for making blunders, yes. But I think he does them as both alignments. Probably more so as town.Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
And I'm not? :(Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look likevote: Joseph
I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look likevote: Joseph
Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?
I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look likevote: Joseph
Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:
1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)
And now starts the more interesting part:
4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3
IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
As I said, its probably nothing but otherwise I cannot make any sense of that behavior (even though it would be really bad mafia play either).Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:
1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)
And now starts the more interesting part:
4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3
IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.
However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.
As I said, its probably nothing but otherwise I cannot make any sense of that behavior (even though it would be really bad mafia play either).Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:
1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)
And now starts the more interesting part:
4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3
IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.
However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.
ok, I'll explain my point and my "+1" to mail-mi.
I wrote some ideas on Seprix and maybe they weren't very approving on the expert eye, but they were to me. Then, Seprix explained to me his mistakes and then IMO became strangely aggressive. After that I put +1 to mail-mi's message, because after some time I have really become more sure about Seprix. Das ist alles.
As was mentioned many times I neither a professional nor know how other players play. So, it's just my opinion, not "sheeping".
igu is 100% correctSeprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?
Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird.Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?
Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right?
I meant mail-mi ;)Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird.Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?
Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
I don't think I did.
Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?
Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
Of course I am since I don't know anything for certain. I just have a relatively strong suspicion, but still don't think we should act prematurely.Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?
Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.
I do agree with you on that point. But you're being super hedgey about it the scum team you're calling, and about your reads on them if I'm not mistaken.
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.
And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.
Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.
You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.
I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.
You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.
I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.
Gah. You're still being annoyingly noncommittal and screwy. Most of the experienced players won't back a D1 lynch on you, though, will they?
Vote Count 1.4
iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3[/s2]):Seprix, RoadRunner7671 [/color][/color]
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left
Vote Count 1.4
iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (32): Seprix, RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left
FTFY =)
Vote Count 1.4
iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (32): Seprix, RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left
FTFY =)
Oh, I can't modify messages.
FTFME
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:
1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)
And now starts the more interesting part:
4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3
IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
vote: IguanaEleboration please...
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
vote: Iguana
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P
I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.
I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.
I'm happy enough to not lynch Calamitas.Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:
1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)
And now starts the more interesting part:
4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3
IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
For whatever it's worth, I think this is the towniest thing you've posted by far, because this legitimate-looking of an attempt at game solving is hard for scum to fake, especially on D1 of your first game online.
I do think the line of thinking is misguided. Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.
The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.
I've gotten scum teams like this stuck in my head before, so I guess I'll just say, if you are town, it's probably best to try to shake it. Getting an idea of who is scum stuck in your head is almost always detrimental early in the game, as whatever you are thinking is much more likely to be wrong than correct.
Anyway, I've been thinking about this post and the general tone of your posts so far and I think I may be wrong about you.
Unvote
I'm not sure who to vote for at this time.
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you betterRoadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P
I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.
I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.
I can change my avatar back to happy Peasant if you'd like.
I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you betterRoadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.
I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...Very often D1 does end up going to deadline, and getting a lynch sometimes from nowhere.
Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.
I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is!'
Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'
Thanks, fixed.Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.
I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'
Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'
Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!
Just put your vote on someone you want to lynch that you think other people might lynch and you should be goodReading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!
That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)
And my current tentative reads are:
Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)
Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR
PPE: 1
And my current tentative reads are:
Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)
Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR
PPE: 1
Yeesh, how carefull have you thought about this?
Your lynch list is like a list of all the top most commonly mislynched players on F.ds, with the notable exception that it's missing you.
And my current tentative reads are:
Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)
Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR
PPE: 1
Luckily we could collect some evidence, I wish you great fun with updating the probabilities via Bayes Theorem ;-)And my current tentative reads are:
Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)
Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR
PPE: 1
I think with 3/9 players being newbies, that might be too many for you guys not to consider us. Naively (i.e. with me deliberately including myself for the purposes of an explanation) there's a 7/12 chance that the scum team has one or more newbies in it.. that's more than 58%. (36 ways of picking a unique pair from 9, and only 15 of those ways give no newbies in the pair, since there are 6 non-newbies and it's 0.5*n*(n-1)).
From the perspective of an experienced player who also knows themself to be town, it's even more likely that the scumteam has newbies, with a 64% chance. Even if you also believe I'm town, it's still just over 50%. Of course with me town, the only possible all-newbie team is Calamitas-LaLight, so it's very likely (over 90%) that even in the case of there being a newbie on the scumteam, there's also a non-newbie on the team for us to kill D1. But I feel like a scum newbie might be easier to catch with greater confidence, so it's just not something I want to rule out.
Sorry if it's vaguely scummy to post stats that allow you to consider the possibility I could be scum when obviously I'm not, but I wanted the numbers to to more of the talking :-)
Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!
That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)
smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.
I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.
got my eye on lalight and Joseph
Luckily we could collect some evidence, I wish you great fun with updating the probabilities via Bayes Theorem ;-)
those smileys
smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.
I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.
got my eye on lalight and Joseph
got my eye on lalight and JosephAgreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.
LaLight-Joseph? How?got my eye on lalight and JosephAgreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.
Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..
And this is relevant because?See my PPE comment.
You know I'm the biggest defender of maths when it is. But I don't see how those mean anything for whom we should lynch.
Show me a single post where you tried to figure out someone's alignment.I'm playing a confused one, with a confused amount of maths in it.
I'm not sure if you even have a post that is about someone's alignment.
What kind of town game are you playing?
So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):
(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.
So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.
(assuming I'm good)
Yh, I'm pretty sure the maths is plain wrong.So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):
(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.
So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.
I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets. Maths doesn't work that way! You can't change your results without information that is alignment indicative. And you didn't include information that is alignment indicative!Quote(assuming I'm good)
Without following... this is probably the reason why you get different results (assuming you didn't make other mistakes). Obviously, if you assume this then the larger group yields better results because the larger group has a smaller chance of hitting the IC.
But since we can't assume this it isn't useful for anyone else.
I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.
Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..LaLight-Joseph? How?
Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..LaLight-Joseph? How?
By picking two players I'm suspicious of and sticking a hyphen in between their names, pretty much.
Other players I think are moderately suspicious are Silver and Mail-mi. Iguana has migrated to a bit of a null. I'm leaning town on the other three, so I would probably oppose a lynch on them without some really juicy new evidence.
I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.
He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.
Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)
PPE: 5
Yh my maths is crap.I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.
He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.
Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)
PPE: 5
... defending Joseph's maths is pretty scummy.
Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.2 in 8, assuming you're good.
Explain on me please?
Explain on me please?
Many small things! You scumread people I think are being quite towny, and then also town-read LaLight without evidence beyond a feeling you said is based on having played Codewords. You went after RR quite strongly over the "leadership" issue even though there wasn't really anything worth debating there. You were on the suspicious-looking Seprix wagon at the point he was posting his suspicions about it. You had an argument against RR that you explicitly couldn't (or didn't want to) articulate to allow for any scrutiny. And you managed all that while also posting fewer times than any other player.
Yeah, I think mild suspicion is in order there :-)
Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
How certain are you?
I'm not sure if that's scummy or not, but I do want him to answer my question. Being ignored is saddeningit's scummy.
Time for a reads list!!
1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.
I was talking about at the beginning of the game when gkrieg was assigning rolesTher is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.2 in 8, assuming you're good.
Vote Count 1.5
iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left
Sorry for my inactivity, was travelling all day (Summerholdidays hurray ;-)).Sorry, the order of Seprix and lalight should be the other way around.
My current reads are (in decending order of scummyness):
Seprix: scummy; playing really strange throughout the game (including the L-1); would be happy with a lynch
La light: scummy; appeared to be town but overdid it lately which made the whole thing look forced. Also didn't contribute too much; would be happy with a lynch
Silver, Joseph: I have basically a nullread on them, in the case of silver because of his ridiculous behavior, in Josephs case because of his absence. I would agree with lynching them since it is probably better to lynch them instead of not lynching at all. However, I won't force it since they are definitely better targets out there (see above).
Iguana: Still find him suspicious l but it did cool up a bit after his recent reactions. However, that might have been just a clever way to escape pressure; A target that I could live with but I would prefer other ones today. We have to watch him closely though.
Space, road, mail: seem towny by now; definitely no target for day 1 lynch. We have to look how the flips turn out to get further their.
If you update a vote count in a quote, please do it more carefuly. Actually there are 3 votes on Seprix, not 2.Vote Count 1.5
iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left
This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.
where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.
If you update a vote count in a quote, please do it more carefuly. Actually there are 3 votes on Seprix, not 2.Vote Count 1.5
iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left
This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.
where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.
In respect to the deadline, I will change my vote from LaLight to Seprix since no one except me is voting currently on LaLight.
vote: Seprix putting him on L-1
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.
Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.
Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.
Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?
Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.
The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.
LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! :)
Ouch. One day is a lot of timeLaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! :)
Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
Ouch. One day is a lot of timeLaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! :)
Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.
Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.
Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?
I sayScum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.
The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.
and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference.
Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh
There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.
I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.
I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh
There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.
I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.
Do you have any context? Seprix is always so scummy. He gets mislynched literally every game he's in. I challenge anyone to find an exception to that in the past few months.
I would vote silver. Similar odds with him as with Joseph.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
well, I think i screwed up somehow. don't wanna be lynched. Will you take for the account that i was at first shy cause i don't know any of you and at second somehow embarrassed by my lack of level in english so i tried to make you not to judge me harshly? I see now where I was wrong.
My first and main idea was to see D1 what is happening. I an forced to write posts, so when I didn't know what to write, I've written same things with different words. If you lynch me, reread this post =)
So my thoughts:
snip reads list
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
W h a tthis is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
W h a tthis is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.
Sorry, but I just blatantly disagree with that
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually play much more safeare much more active and townysafe than this.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually play much more safeare much more active and townysafe than this.
fwfy
The point about activity is particularly unwarranted. I literally have the highest post count.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.
And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.
And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.
You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.
this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.
PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.
I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.
I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.
And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.
You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.
Because you have so much more leeway to be experimental as scum, yes?
The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.Please, do.
I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.
The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.Please, do.
I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.
I'd like to point out that lurking, which means not posting, is anti town, which means bad. Post more.
Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust,no problem
<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Who are you and have you played mafia before?
I don't think you signed our pledge (link), (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.msg219889#msg219889) did you?
I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.
I can see I'm in serious trouble.
Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)
Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".
I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.
I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.
I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental
imaginary vote: hidden player
Also, SS is acting weird.
Aw, thanks! It means a lot.
I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than silver I think.
Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver.
Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver.
What? :o
Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
I'm happy enough to not lynch Calamitas.
Per the above, big long posts on D1 as scum on your first online game would be incredibly risky, so probably town.
Also, lots of posting = good, so we should be encouraging it.
PPE: 1
And my current tentative reads are:
Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)
Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR
PPE: 1
My reads/lynch options:
1. silverspawn - null read, could lynch
2.Calamitas- seems towny + newbie pass
3. Seprix - never seems towny to me, could definitely lynch
4. Roadrunner7671 - ditto, although I prefer Seprix > RR
5.Iguanaiguana- seems kind of towny
6. Mail-mi - null read, could lynch
7.SpaceAnemone- mild town read + newbie pass
8.LaLight- null read but newbie pass
9.Joseph2302- town for sure
Yh my maths is crap.
Town points to ss for wanting to stop my nonsense, and talk useful things instead.
I have no guarantee of any availability before the deadline.
I like my vote where it is right now.
vote: LaLight
How about this?
vote: LaLight
Okay, I'm gonna go back to a vote: seprix. Here's my reason: he has been online since his last post, and hasn't said a thing in this game. He also has not answered RR's question as to how certain he is, which is much more a scum trait than a town one. Town wants to provide as much content and answers that they can. Scum are the ones to avoid questions, because they don't want to be found out as lying.
this is back to L-1.
vote: LaLight
Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.
vote: LaLight
Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.
Then hammer, scum.
vote: LaLight
Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.
Then hammer, scum.
At this point, I look terrible after Seprix flips regardless of alignment. Thanks for dragging me down with you, buddy.
Vote: Seprix
Vote: Seprix
Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.
And if he can: is doublevoter a scum or a town?
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.
If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.
RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
As I said, I would be inIf Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.
If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.
RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
Lining. Up. Mislynches.
I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.
You're now my top choice.
If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.
If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.
RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
Lining. Up. Mislynches.
I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.
You're now my top choice.
Vote: Seprix
Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.
You ruined it.
The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.
Exactly.Vote: Seprix
Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.
You ruined it.
The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.
As I said, I would be inIf Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.
If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.
RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
Lining. Up. Mislynches.
I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.
You're now my top choice.
Since it does make sense now,As I said, I would be inIf Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.
If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.
RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
Lining. Up. Mislynches.
I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.
You're now my top choice.
Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.
Vote: LaLight
Putting him on L-1!!!Since it does make sense now,As I said, I would be inIf Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.
If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.
RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.
Lining. Up. Mislynches.
I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.
You're now my top choice.
Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.
Vote: LaLight
Vote: LaLight
I don't love it. She's nice.
I don't love it. She's nice.
vote: LaLight
I don't love it. She's nice.
I'm he :)))
Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong
Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong
To an extent, you just got unlucky. Don't stress it, it can happen to anyone.
So you think we're scum? Or town?vote: LaLight
ok, I really was town. thanks for game. advise you on calamitas and joseph like i said
What are your current reads silver?
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.
In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.
In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.
In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.
I'm at work, the deadline is in 3 hours, it's busy here and I've got shit to do. I'm trying to get things done so we don't get a no lynch.
Nah, its not that random. Since you have to go in 5 minutes I wanted to gather anyting you can give us for the next three hours.What are your current reads silver?
That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.
In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.
Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!confirm my vote: LaLight (L-2)
Vote: Joseph
Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!
Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)
He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.
unvote
LaLight is new, his reaction is 100% genuine.
Its definitely L-1Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!
Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)
He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.
Ah, or it might be L-1 with the intervening post.
Please be careful everyone...
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.
Come on guys, we have only two hours left.
As you wish.
Time to cross the Rubicon.
vote: Joseph
That was clearly not the intenton of my post...Come on guys, we have only two hours left.
As you wish.
Time to cross the Rubicon.
vote: Joseph
*Lets just hopeThat was clearly not the intenton of my post...Come on guys, we have only two hours left.
As you wish.
Time to cross the Rubicon.
vote: Joseph
You are now back on top of my scum list.
Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.
*Lets just hopeThat was clearly not the intenton of my post...Come on guys, we have only two hours left.
As you wish.
Time to cross the Rubicon.
vote: Joseph
You are now back on top of my scum list.
Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.
In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.
I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.
Nah, its not that random. Since you have to go in 5 minutes I wanted to gather anyting you can give us for the next three hours.What are your current reads silver?
That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?
I am not so sure, if he were scum his attempt of seeming innocent by playing possum would have been really bad. Understanding a fakehammer is totally a different level, but I wouldn't put it past him. Overall, 25% chance of not getting the fakehammer and beeing genuine. But would be fine with a lynch anyway, would prefer Seprix though.
I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.
In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.
You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.
I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.
Yes, of course. I thought most of you would know. The weird thing about iguana was that he didn't know and still wasn't surprised.
Don't lynch me- I'm town.You are already lynched :/
"if you are actual town"Don't lynch me- I'm town.You are already lynched :/
Please let us know everything you know of you are actual town.
Okay, reads in case I die tonight.
Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.
mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)
Seprix (even weaker)
Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)
Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.
I don't like the "Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!". Otherwise his behavior seemed relatively towny.
Okay, reads in case I die tonight.I don't like the "Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!". Otherwise his behavior seemed relatively towny.
Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.
mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)
Seprix (even weaker)
Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)
Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.
My typing is awful today.
Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.
I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post
Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.
I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post
If you play long enough here, we start to learn what your meta is, and the mislynches go down, at least a little bit.
Don't lynch me- I'm town.
If I survive tomorrow, I'll present cases.We are waiting
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
Spaceanemone was the watcher. What does the watcher do?
if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.
if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.
So it is when everybody tells their role? And i must choose the order of players? Ok.
Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me
Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me
Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me
Explain why you did the list like this to me.
Woah. Mass claiming on D2?
That's the normal thing to do when you make a claiming order.
What is odd here is that first you seem to know what you're doing, and then you say you can also go first.
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!
vote: Silverspawn
You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.
frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!
vote: Silverspawn
You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
And can i ask why me?
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.
Why is it if you're not scum? I'm nearly sure you don't have power role as townie
Setup Post:
Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:
- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.
Roles:
- Jailkeeper: 4
- Tracker: 4
- Watcher: 4
- Rolecop: 4
- Vigilante: 3
- Doctor: 2
- Neapolitan: 1
- Roleblocker: 1
- Bodyguard: 1
Modifiers:
- Random: -3
- Weak: -2
- Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
- Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
- Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
- Macho: 0
- Loud: 1
- Ascetic: 2
- Vanillaising: 2
- Mafia will be:
1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher
All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
That seemed like a really bad attempt to townslip. There are two scum.frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!
vote: Silverspawn
You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
That seemed like a really bad attempt to townslip. There are two scum.frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!
vote: Silverspawn
You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.
Does that make sense?
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.'I'm not afraid to claim'
Seprix and LaLight are both town.Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?
Field is narrowing.
I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.'I'm not afraid to claim'
I don't want to either, but if everyone thinks it's a good idea I can adapt
Seprix and LaLight are both town.Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?
Field is narrowing.
Seprix and LaLight are both town.Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?
Field is narrowing.
Pretty much everyone who is around right now is townier than those who aren't.Or they're just in a convient timezone. But I sort of agree with you
Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?
Seprix and LaLight are both town.
Field is narrowing.
But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why
- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)
So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.
I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.
But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why
- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)
So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.
I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.
Okay. I'll bite. Shall I go first?
We can also figure out what PRs scum likely has from the numbers.
Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?
Right. he softclaimed some things.
Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn
Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn
Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn
Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.
Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn
Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?
Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.
I know that. benefits still outweight the drawbacks I think. The drawbacks are pretty small.
There's pretty much no chance that fakeclaims aren't availableExactly, and I would assume they are created in a way that doesn't allow us to find scum directly via applying logic. If that assumption is correct, we won't get that much closer to a correct lynch which is, in that point I'm agreeing with silver, very important today. I think PRs and our current reads are by far our best shot at hitting scum either today or tomorrow. Claiming wouldn't help (correct me if i'm wrong about that) us for the latter but weakens our PRs significantly (relevant for D3).
Yes, yes, scum has fake claims. There is going to be informatoin betweeen 'nothing' and 'we caught scum'.Yeah, but to what price? Since our watcher (+4) is gone there aren't probably too many strong town PRs left. Anyway, I still don't like iguanas play until now and it is not good that all attention has driven away from him.
How certain are you in the case of silver and lalightfrustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.
Okay. How about a massclaim?
It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!
vote: Silverspawn
You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.
We don't have enough time to stay indesicive for that long.
so we're 9 people. I think everyone should vote for or against massclaim. If we get 5+ votes, we do it, otherwise we don't.
/for massclaim
We're actually 7 people, so 4+.
No!!! This is why we needed to mass claim with you at the end!Reading people's responses I doubt there could be massclaim.
and ok. Well. I have a kind of theory and if I'm right, we have some good chances.The latter one sounds much more likely and definitely makes sense. If you are telling the truth, roadrunner is probably going to be scum.if not, well,then you are scum. By now I'm going with the first option.
Cards on the table: I'm Tracker, I tracked RR and he targeted Silverspawn. Here we have some choices.
1) He can be townie power role whom I substituted now, but then we have an advantage with two PR as me and him.
2) More likely: SpaceAnemone was Watcher, I'm the Tracker, we have 8 points here, so RR can be Roleblocker and choose Silverspawn to roleblock (because SilverSpawn is veteran and dangerous!). Then he said nothing and his reaction to my first words (saying I confirmed he is townie) seems to me scummy.
Tell me if i'm right in my thoughts.
Vote: RoadRunner
Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?
Anyone who hammers without giving RR a chance to respond is auto-lynched tomorrow
That doesn't mean anything.
Also unvote RR plxI was just about to say that. If both scum aren't already on my wagon, they could just say 'I don't believe you!' then hammer me.
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.vote:roadrunner!!!!!
I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.I still am, would give up unnecessary info. I will claim for myself, I am the Bodyguard in here. Don't think there can be two, can they? If not, we shouldn't reveal much more than we have already, either one of us must be scum. So the LyLo situation is solved already and we shouldn't weaken our PRs anymore.
Meaning me and rr with "us"With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.I still am, would give up unnecessary info. I will claim for myself, I am the Bodyguard in here. Don't think there can be two, can they? If not, we shouldn't reveal much more than we have already, either one of us must be scum. So the LyLo situation is solved already and we shouldn't weaken our PRs anymore.
Don't think there can be two, can they?
I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas
Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments? I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still. Maybe one of us has a really awful hidden modifier or something?I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas
What for?
I am a fan of probabilty arguments and there is a chance that is not neglicable. I just assumed the generating process works without replacments since the duplicate roles are significantly weaker than the unique ones (without having that difference integrated in the rating system). And yes, if all that is true, it is very likely that some of us are having suboptimal modifiers.Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments? I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still. Maybe one of us has a really awful hidden modifier or something?I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas
What for?
Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments?I am!
I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still.The chance for two bodyguards is pretty small.
Chance of any two roles is low, two bodyguards is not any less likely than anything else.yes. actually it's one of the most likely ones based on having the lowest points attached.
Mass claim is good now let's do it/in
I still don't really like it. Didn't LaLight request a mass claim because of his result on me? And now that we cleared that up (along with some other claims) aren't we all good?
The downside of claiming is that scum has easier targets. LaLight is probably doomed, and I think either you or Seprx is a PR. Probably you.
yes, I agree. In particular we should hear their claims.No I mean we should hear their thoughts on claiming!
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.
I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.
Do you have any basis for that belief or do you just like to lynch PRs?Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.
I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
You are a liar.
vote: RR
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.
Do you have any basis for that belief or do you just like to lynch PRs?Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.
I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
You are a liar.
vote: RR
Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.
Based on what?
Also, claim please.
I guess we're mass claiming. I'm just a VT.
Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!He claimed Bodyguard, right?
So even though three Bodyguards is possible, that seems quite unlikely. Unless one of us is like Random I suspect there's a liarRoadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.
Based on what?
Also, claim please.
I am a Bodyguard. LaLight saw RR doing some shady stuff, and why would there be two Bodyguards?
Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!He claimed Bodyguard, right?
Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.How?
Alright. Claims in Order:
LaLight: Tracker
RoadRunner: Bodyguard
Calamitas: Bodyguard
mail-mi: VT
Seprix: Bodyguard
iguana: ?
silver: ?
Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.How?
Could have been /=/ obviousCome on, it's obvious RR is lying.How?
LaLight saw you doing something. You could have been roleblocking or doing Godfather stuff. We are clearly over 7 with the numbers.
mail-mi is last scum.
There, I solved the game.
I don't believe RR. And I don't believe Seprix, but it's another thing. So If any of you is bodyguard, help me at the night =))If you don't believe Seprix there is literally no reason to not believe me. Do you want to feel like you caught scum?
Still I'm comfortable with my vote.
vote: Seprix (L-2)
Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.
Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was guarding silver even then)Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.
Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.
Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?
I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.
Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)
The hell, its definitely to late out here. Guarding silver.I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)
So which was it? Seprix or silver?
so tl;dr we can forget about them (unless I did something wrong) and go back to reads.
Sorry that I couldn't deliver more, but it is what it is. In past games we used to have more telling setup probability all the time.
Watcher died N1 SA
We also know Joseph was a VT
clears Seprix
Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.
Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.
Wait, what? Clear me of what exactly? Can you tell me what the apparent problem is?
Watcher died N1 SA
... ... ... ... ... :'(
I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.
Greetings.
I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.
protip: always preview things in the random stuff thread. If you accidentally click on the wrong button, the damage isn't as big.
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Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?I tried to do it yersterday night :D
Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?I tried to do it yersterday night :D
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.
I thought you were playing level two and wanting us to think that you are unhelpful and creepy. I actually expected you to carefully have set breadcrumps that would all make sense after the flip in that creepy posts in the case your town. Additionally, if you aren't a PR, you are still the most experienced player in here and I expected you to have good reads when you're town.Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?I tried to do it yersterday night :D
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.
But his reason made no sense. PRs are more likely to stay in the background, not do crazy things.
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.
- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.
If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.
- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.
If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR
I completely agree.
What is RB!RR?)
Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.
- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.
If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR
I completely agree.
What is RB!RR?)
X!Person means "the person provided (s)he is X"
'scum-RB!RR' means 'Roadrunner provided he is the scum Roleblocker'
Also his reaction to the claim wasn't amazing. I'd have prefered him going more like "wtf this isn't a guilty result stop voting"Ughhhhh that's not what I do though! I wouldn't react like that as town or scum
And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate
It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate
... what? why?
It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate
... what? why?
1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.
2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier
That makes no sense. It would be easier to fake claim roleblocker. Then I could still say I mastered the skill of fake claiming after the game.It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate
... what? why?
1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.
2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier
About point: if you know that you're bad with this maybe you're trying to master this skill and claiming it now so after game you could say that NOW you can fakeclaim.
And then LaLight came in with the craziest conspiracy theory since this one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16136.new#new
PPE
Oh man LaLight actually clicked on the link
Seprix
please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion
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PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.
In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.
Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.
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In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.
Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.
Seprix
please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion
meaning from your PoV. What were your thoughts behind what happened at the time, and what are they now.
Setup Post:
Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:
- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.
Roles:
- Jailkeeper: 4
- Tracker: 4
- Watcher: 4
- Rolecop: 4
- Vigilante: 3
- Doctor: 2
- Neapolitan: 1
- Roleblocker: 1
- Bodyguard: 1
Modifiers:
- Random: -3
- Weak: -2
- Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
- Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
- Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
- Macho: 0
- Loud: 1
- Ascetic: 2
- Vanillaising: 2
- Mafia will be:
1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher
All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
I have two claims to make:
1. Silverspawn claims to be a delayed Doctor. Where is Delayed on the modifier list? Silverspawn is lying, and is clearly scum. I've kept my mouth shut for a while, just to see what he's been pushing. He pushed for my lynch, and then RR later on when it seems like RR is going to die.
2. LaLight is almost certainly town. If he is scum, he has played so well as to convince me, and he deserves the win.
3. All three of Calamitas, RR, and myself have claimed Bodyguard. One of us is almost certainly lying.
4. RR has the most incentive to go first, but since SS is pushing for RR (and me), and I have found SS to be lying (so far according to my theory), I think the correct lynch is actually Calamitas.
There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.
unvote
You must not think very highly of my scum play :D
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.
Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.
Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?
Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.
it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.
Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?
Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.
I already made that point in your favor. I was hoping you could give me something beyond that.
Seprix comes in with a long and helpful post...which is wrong. *sigh*
After thinking about it for a little bit, RR did take the most convenient claim as scum. But Seprix is crafty enough as scum to think about doing this I think. He would know that the last claimant is usually considered the truthful one. Is he ballsy enough to claim the third bodyguard? Yes, I think so. He's been extremely unhelpful this entire game, and it's because he's scum trying to play up his town meta.
I'm keeping my vote where it is.
And here's something to think about too, Mail: What about Calamitas? Just because I've been blatantly unhelpful doesn't mean I am scum. Maybe I feel like playing an Awaclusian game.
Vote Count 1.2
silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (3): SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (1): mail-mi
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25
Vote Count 1.3
iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, Calamitas
Calamitas (2): silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (2): mail-mi, LaLight
Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Seprix, RoadRunner7671
Vote Count 1.4
iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671
Vote Count 1.5
iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi
Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left
Vote Count 1.6
iguanaiguana (1): Seprix
Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi, Calamitas {L-1}
Joseph2302 (3): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana
Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 18 hours left
Vote Count 1.final
LaLight (1): Calamitas
Seprix (2): Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (5): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, LaLight, SpaceAnemone, Seprix
Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671
I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.
I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.
Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...
I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.
Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...
WIFOM? But that is another good point...
I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.
Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...
WIFOM? But that is another good point...
Sure but is scum expecting me to dig up that quote?
I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental
imaginary vote: hidden player
I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental
imaginary vote: hidden player
Did silver ever explain this?
Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.
Does that make sense?
Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.vote:roadrunner!!!!!
I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me
Steganography is not limited to pictures, everu breadcrump is some kind of steganography. Actually, the picture version was the reason I asked about the exact limitations of posting pictures ;-)Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.I take credit for creating this rule
Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?
I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.
With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)
But since media you create (and manipulate for integration information) is forbidden, there is no reason to look for sth. like that.
Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).
No. No you didn't.Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).
He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.
No. No you didn't.Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).
He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.
My Calamitas reread comes to the conclusion that he is a lot townier than what I thought yesterday. Not even sure why I was scumreading him yesterday
Vote: Roadrunner
I hate voting Roadrunner : /
Deep derp derp.
Well I hope he's the scum one. Seems most likely at this point.
Vote Count 2.2Iguanaiguana is both voting for me and not voting! And you forgot Seprix. I might actually be hammered
Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, silverspawn, iguanaiguana {L-1}
Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4
I'm dead
Your claim was just too convenient man.
Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.
Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.
Your claim was just too convenient man.What's ATE?
Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.
Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.
Appeal to emotion. Like here:Your claim was just too convenient man.What's ATE?
Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.
Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.
And my claim was the most inconvenient thing to happen to me in my entire career, for reasoned stressed above
I was connected to my neighbors' Wifi but it cut out in the middle of a post, so that's bad.
In other news, there's probably no chance of me not getting lynched today. So I'll post a few last thoughts, go to bed and probably never wake up :'(
That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?
Get rid of the A and the T and you'd be correct. I know appealing to emotion doesn't work. You're just out to get me!That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?
...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.
Get rid of the A and the T and you'd be correct. I know appealing to emotion doesn't work. You're just out to get me!That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?
...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.
There is still time to move the lynch away and to Seprix... if we want
The probelm is just that I don'T think I want, based on RR's behavior.
There's a problem here.
Everyone wants to lynchSeprixRoadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?
Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.
Vote: Seprix
I assume the scum partner is bussing to not stand out after RR flips as mafia RB. Someone who actively defends RR would clearly be on the radar then. Especially since rr is if he is actual scum doomed in either way. If Seprix would be todays lynch (those two are by now the only targets that make sense) and flip bodyguard, rr is very likely to get lynched tomorrow.There's a problem here.
Everyone wants to lynchSeprixRoadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?
Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.
Vote: Seprix
There's a problem here.I'm with silver here: the flailing looks faked, not townie. However I do think it might be a Seprix/rr scum team (with same claims to distance themselves totally). I agree with what you were saying earlier, that Seprix is playing up his town meta way too much.
Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?
Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.
Vote: Seprix
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.
Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker
This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.
Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.
Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.
However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.
Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?
Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.
Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?
Because it's dumb. Why would I claim Bodyguard when two other people did it ahead of me, unless it was true? But wait. Shocker. You think I'm so clever, that I would count on that. You've made up your mind already. You've been voting me all day. Don't even pretend to be unbiased.
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.
You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.
Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our trackerAgreeing totally. The question is whether we should give our tracker a target. I am against it since mafia would know when to trigger the ninja. Therefore I would be going with unknown/random tracking.
This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.
Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.
Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.
However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.
Strongman breaks through one layer of protectionWhich layer is on top? The more recent or the older one?
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.
You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.
What information can I give you that you don't already know?
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.
You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.
What information can I give you that you don't already know?
Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.Except random targeting :D
The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.Except random targeting :D
The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.
Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.
You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.
What information can I give you that you don't already know?
Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?
I wanted reactions. People reacted.
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.Except random targeting :D
The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.
Jesus Christ, it's not a damn scumslip. I already concluded that it was incredibly likely for there to be a Roleblocker.
@SS
Do we have a plan in the event that we don't hit the Roleblocker?
There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.
that's one of the silliest scumslip arguments I've ever heard.
There are still a bunch of modifiers out there we don't know. And it is incredibly likely that at least 1 bodyguard is fakeclaiming so that we are only at 10. Its not that hard to get to <8 from there if you look at the points associated with the modifiers. But its probably no scumslip just a consequence of us talking for ages about the rb.No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.Except random targeting :D
The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.
Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.
No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.Except random targeting :D
The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.
Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.
There are still a bunch of modifiers out there we don't know. And it is incredibly likely that at least 1 bodyguard is fakeclaiming so that we are only at 10. Its not that hard to get to <8 from there if you look at the points associated with the modifiers. But its probably no scumslip just a consequence of us talking for ages about the rb.No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.Except random targeting :D
The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.
Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.
One more rules question: does 1-shot ninja work automatically or a man must choose if to use it?
do we know about modifiers if we have 'em?They are fully hidden
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.Modifiers are hidden
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.Modifiers are hidden
I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.Modifiers are hidden
Do we know if the watcher had modifiers?
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
what :o
why?
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
again.
why?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
why?
well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
How is the random modifier working exactly?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
How is the random modifier working exactly?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
How is the random modifier working exactly?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.
I've read that Random means 50% success
Actually that is an argument against the RR lynch. If requires him to be a RB which is only about 50% likely to exist... multiplied to the 50% that RR is him if he's scum.
but Calamitas' reactions were towny.
I've read that Random means 50% success
huh. mafia wiki does say that.
Does random mean random targets?
Still pretty sure it does.
again.
why?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
why?
well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.
oh, btw, small question: do we want to flavor claim at all? or is it just pointless? it's probably pointless, but i figured i should ask.
I am a Beach Volleyball. I could bounce on and off iguana. But you can't quote that out of context bnecause it's a mafia game.
How should I interpret the last sentence?again.
why?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
why?
well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.
How should I interpret the last sentence?again.
why?well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though
If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.
Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.
why?
well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.
In how far is it scummy to point out that there is actually a
not neglectable possibility of having JOAT+goon instead of JOAT+RB.
If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.Why don't we chat about that now so that I don't get lynched by you?
Vote: Roadrunner L-1
Do something productive you foolSee my post above. But I guess I'm here now. So I can do productive stuff.
Here.What?
I'm here. That's what.Okay. Hi
I'm here. That's what.
Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"Except you know it's true!
I'm here. That's what.
Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.
Talk me through what you were thinking. I want to hear the true thought process behind your actions.Me?
Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"Except you know it's true!
Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.
Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.I will do that, yes
I'm here. That's what.
Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.
Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.
town points to iguana.
I'm here. That's what.
Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.
Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.
Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?
I would answer thoseI'm here. That's what.
Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.
Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.
Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?
I'm not answering these. Pointless questions.
I could just make up stuff. You don't want those kinds of answers.
I would answer those
I would answer those
It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.
Okay, this is proving your point, but I think you look worse because of this. You're probably the player least likely to 'stop caring.' And saying it like 'I've stopped caring.' really doesn't make it sound like you have stopped caring. People saying 'whatever, Moat this, you guys all suck' convinces me more. Or people who, every 24 hours, just go 'post.' Or something like that.I would answer those
It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.
Seprix, I do not know your alignment. I am not decided. I don't know what to do.
Confirmation bias is not in play here.
I was the third player to claim BodyguardWe know this! This has been like your only argument! Probably because you gritted your teeth and decided to be really ballsy scum. And that almost worked out. I've been at L-1 way too much.
I was the third player to claim BodyguardWe know this! This has been like your only argument! Probably because you gritted your teeth and decided to be really ballsy scum. And that almost worked out. I've been at L-1 way too much.
If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.Jeez, these are wonderful options. I guess I'll have to reread Calamitas before deciding. Although it's very possible he's scum, I think you're more likely.
Same question for RR.I might go through like every single one of my posts until I get bored
Seprix is looking worse and worse.
My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.
Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.
If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.(Response)
Seprix is looking worse and worse.(Second response)
My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.
Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.
Hurry up.Not a towny thing to say my dude
Hurry up.Not a towny thing to say my dude
Seprix is looking worse and worse.
My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.
Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.
Then lynch me or RR. Hurry up.
vote: Seprix
I'm town. Way to go, team.
let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched
you are scum. You won't get quicklynched.let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched
Great. We've already lost, assuming you're town.you are scum. You won't get quicklynched.let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched
There is also no logical reason to unvote, since nothing can convince me to lynch someone else, therefore the game is already lost if you're town.
the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.Yep, we definitely have one. (At least from my PoV)
the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.Yep, we definitely have one. (At least from my PoV)
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that againChairs isn't in this game, and that wasn't a townslip. If anything that was a scum slip.
from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that againAssuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...
from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that againAssuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...
from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that againAssuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...
from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that againAssuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...
from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Yes, I targetted LaLight. I bet Calamitas (the scum roleblocker) also did
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
StaupCalamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
:o
StaupCalamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
:o
You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!StaupCalamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
:o
You lied to me >:(
You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!StaupCalamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
:o
You lied to me >:(
We rolled town together this time! Or you're scum, but I don't know about thatYou're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!StaupCalamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.Dude
:o
You lied to me >:(
Let's roll town together next time 8)
Its not that easy, roleblockee might have blocked me and strongman could have broken my protection.Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that againAssuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...
from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT
But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.
I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.
Roadrunner claimed bodyguard, and LaLight died. I assume you targeted LaLight. With him being dead instead of you, the only possible explanation is that Roadrunner is the scum!roleblocker and blocked your night action.
So if you targeted LaLight last night, you don't need reads. Just vote Roadrunner and let's get this day over with.
Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...What? You finally figured it out?! A little late!
So sorry, brain not working properly on 6am :(Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...What? You finally figured it out?! A little late!
Okay, he would have been hammered by now, everyone has posted. So I will take the hammer.
vote:: roadrunner
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
Hey your vote didn't count!I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
Vote Count 2.finalSeprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix
RoadRunner7671 (1): silverspawn
Not Voting (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
Seprix has been lynched!
He was Swimming, the Bodyguard
No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame jokeHey your vote didn't count!I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
No you didn't buy it, you're too good for that.No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame jokeHey your vote didn't count!I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"Mr. Spamming
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
brrrlp back to the worlds.
a) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Watcher 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
Results:
World a) : 7,7%
World b) : 22%
World c) : 46%
World d) : 8.2%
World e) : 16%
I seriously bought it. Believe me or don't 8)No you didn't buy it, you're too good for that.No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame jokeHey your vote didn't count!I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us
I'm writing even more junk here.
Don't make arguments up by using irrelevant probabilities, you know better than that. P(Watcher+Tracker+3x BG) is absolutely irrelevant by now, the only one that matters is P(Watcher+Tracker+2xBG|BG) which isn't that bad. Anyway, will go to sleep otherwise I'm writing even more junk here. Will have to think this true, all I wanted to say is thst thinks aren't as clear as some trying to make them
anyways he's right about the probabilites having changed based on our flips. Let me re-do them. All a-priori chances relative to P1 + P2 + P3 (since we know one of them must be true).Integrate my pov where another one is confirmed and you will see that the discrepany isn't that extreme
W1 = W + T + B
W2 = W + T + B + B
W3 = W + T + B + B + B
P(W1) = 61%
P(W2) = 29%
P(W3) = 10%)
Integrate my pov where another one is confirmed and you will see that the discrepany isn't that extreme
Also if RR was a bodyguard why did the tracker die? That requires a roleblocker AND a strongman shot, which in turn makes RR more likely again since it takes away the only good argument in his defense.I haven't and I havd no problem with reasoning ;-)
but his whole flailing is just not towny. Have you ever seen RR flail in a game where he was town?
There's a problem here.
Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?
Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.
Vote: Seprix
I assume the scum partner is bussing to not stand out after RR flips as mafia RB. Someone who actively defends RR would clearly be on the radar then. Especially since rr is if he is actual scum doomed in either way. If Seprix would be todays lynch (those two are by now the only targets that make sense) and flip bodyguard, rr is very likely to get lynched tomorrow.There's a problem here.
Everyone wants to lynchSeprixRoadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?
Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.
Vote: Seprix
If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.
Vote: Roadrunner L-1
Seprix is looking worse and worse.
My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.
Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"Mr. Spamming
now I'm nitpicking, but if Calamitas is town, why did he never question my probabilities? I haven't provided any evidence for them. As far as he knows, they could just be made up.Simple reason, you previously said you gathered those probabilities via simulations and without access to a computer and I won't be able to check them. Tomorrow/in two days I will certainly check them if the day is stoll ongoing then.
if he's scum and he knows that they point into the right direction he'd be scared to question them.
It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.
Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman).
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I originally thought there were none. Then, I realized there are a few. However, to me, those don't really matter. As silver has already stated, the probabilities are low enough of all of that occuring to line up to frame Roadrunner that we just lynch him now regardles.QuoteI think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.
Re-posted for upping
Ugh. Roadrunner is by far the scummiest player alive. Look at how yesterday went down, and the shame-of-a-lynch that you, Mail-mi and Roadrunner were all on while silver and I were not. Your silver/Iguana conspiracy theory relies upon the idea that all of town, including Seprix, ended up lynching Seprix, while the only two scum both had not a single vote on them and were not voting for the mislynch. I admit that I waffled between Seprix and Roadrunner, because it was a difficult decision. But I WAS leaning Roadrunner at the time Seprix self-hammered. I will not deny that because it is true.
First you were 'convinced' of Seprix/Iguana, which has proven untrue, now silver/Iguana, which is pure idiocy. silver has been pushing the town towards lynching scum all game, and only because we haven't listened to him are we at LyLo right now.
It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.
I want to remind you that I was considered very towny before yersterday by most players (except lalight maybe). Why making such an act of instead of hammering? And WIFOM doesn't make sense as reason either because the chance of me getting lynched on D4 was so low that the potential benefits of my behavior weren't worth the risks.It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.
Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.
I want to remind you that I was considered very towny before yersterday by most players (except lalight maybe). Why making such an act of instead of hammering? And WIFOM doesn't make sense as reason either because the chance of me getting lynched on D4 was so low that the potential benefits of my behavior weren't worth the risks.It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.
Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.
So I will take all time I want, the only ones that certainly know rrs alignment for certain are rr, you and silver. Me and mail don't.
I do somewhat understand your hesitancy but a quick decision is customary on our site in a situation where one person is overwhelmingly likely to be scum, as I believe Roadrunner is here.
Mail-mi most likely is stalling, hoping you vote for one of us, so that Roadrunner and him can doublehammer and win.
Nice work, Calamitas!
Current reads
Town
mail-mi
Slight Town
RR
Slight Scum
Calamitas
vote: Calamitas
wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.
Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.
Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?
initially, I was of course mainly trying to provoke reactions.
it really depends on how you react, how believable it is, but generally, voting is the best reaction, not doing anything is the worst.
Joseph hasn't done anything and his push on Seprix is pretty telling. What Seprix did isn't alignment indicative and Joseph should know that.
There's a problem here.
Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?
Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.
Vote: Seprix
town points to iguana.
No, I say all of this as scum for the town points, and to confuse and annoy them. But here I happen to be saying it as town because I seriously don't know which one to lynch.
Hold up.
Why is everyone against RR now? I was just looking through the claims again on reread.
Firstly, while Calamitas and Seprix do have some incentive to claim bodyguard as scum, it's so little compared to RR's incentive. RR has to get out of a tracker claim, the other two are just counterclaims. If I'm scum!Calamitas, and maybe scum!Seprix (though I can see scum!seprix claiming to just add a lot of confusion to the mix), I think "well, i shouldn't claim bodyguard anymore, maybe roleblocker or doctor?"
RR's flailing is what convinced me fully. Still think it could be seprix/RR, but I'm more convinced on RR now than I am on seprix.
vote: roadrunner. he's at L-something now.
If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.
Vote: Roadrunner L-1
It's up to you silver.
I don't know what will convince you to lynch iguana, but I will answer any questions you have for me (to defend myself or accuse iguana).
It's up to you silver.
I don't know what will convince you to lynch iguana, but I will answer any questions you have for me (to defend myself or accuse iguana).
If there were magic words that could make silverspawn lynch me, I'm sure you would say them : ) Otherwise, your case is pretty uh lame.
I will go through your posts and point out the scum motivation in the next few days. I can talk through what I was thinking when I made certain posts as well if silver would like me too. I'm happy to be transparent here, but I do feel like town is very likely to win this game so I'm not too worried about it to exhaust tons and tons of effort.
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.
People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.
LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.
RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"
But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:
1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)
And now starts the more interesting part:
4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3
IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?
Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.
However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.
I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you betterRoadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
Thanks, fixed.Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.
I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'
Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'
Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
Come on.Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.
People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?
I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.
Let's look at the players
LaLight: I know he's a newb
Roadrunner: I'm definitely not a veteran by any stretch!
Iguana iguana: I havr a high opinion, I just don't consider you a veteran
Mail-Mi: I didn't know
Silver spawn: He's a vetetan by my definition
Calamitas: He's a newb too
Space: See Calamitas and LaLight
Seprix: Maybe I'd call him a veteran if he didn't play so much like me. I still have a high opinion of him though
Joseph: See Seprix
I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you betterRoadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
silver reads me very well. Disagree on the other two. The only game where either Faust or Ash and me were both town was Harry Potter Mafia where I got lynched early on D1 and they were townies on the wagon.
Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.I didn't say he was supposed to be a leader. I said that he needed to stop being mysterious and using bold, colored fonts. I do not think anyone should sheep silverspawn just because he's a veteran
LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.
RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"
But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix
Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.
Uh, yes you did.
Time for a reads list!!
1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.
So, a scum to chum list. (does nobody call it that anymore? if so, that's sad.)
Seprix
silverspawn/joseph
Calamitas
RR
Lalight
iguana
Spaceanenome
mail-mi
vote: LaLight
Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.
Then hammer, scum.
PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are town, give us your reads, give us something before you die!!
DON"T JUST GIVE UP YOU FOOL ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Okay, rereading the bit with RR and iguana, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I still don't like it, though, but I'm going to unvote
What's worse is this:Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
How certain are you?
Seprix did not answer this question, yet he has posted after that (only once though) and has been on since then. Town people don't avoid questions, scum does. vote: seprix
Vote: Iguanaiguana<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
Mass claim is good now let's do it
Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?
iguana is too confident.
so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?I can answer these.
Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?
After iguana's post and Calamitas' explanation, it seems more like an innocent mistake. Doesn't make him towns, tho.
I think iguana seems more like frustrated town than scum.
FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.
Don't know what seprix and rr are talking about. Town points to iguana.
In fact, rr seems way too hedgey about it. Feels almost like putting in a back up scum read for a mislynch later. vote: rr
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :P
I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.
I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Okay, rereading the bit with RR and iguana, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I still don't like it, though, but I'm going to unvote
What's worse is this:Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?vote: Iguana
Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.
Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.
How certain are you?
Seprix did not answer this question, yet he has posted after that (only once though) and has been on since then. Town people don't avoid questions, scum does. vote: seprix
Seprix
silverspawn/joseph
Calamitas
RR
Lalight
iguana
Spaceanenome
mail-mi
I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.
Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.
Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?
I sayScum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.
The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.
and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference.
That makes sense. I'll have to think about it.
Meanwhile...Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls
Stop making me want to vote you.
which I stand to ruin this game if you're actually town. I've pretty much done a 180° on reread
which I stand to ruin this game if you're actually town. I've pretty much done a 180° on reread
Thanks, fixed.Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :PI'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out
I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.
I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.
Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'
Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'
Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.
Vote: Iguanaiguana<b>Jospeh </b>
Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.
Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.
vote: Calamitas
Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.
Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.
Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy
silver, do you even want me to keep re reading mail-mi? My conclusions are no different than yours, except that from my perspective I can be much more sure of his motivations. And, if I'm not going to do anything to change your opinions, I'd rather not sink a lot of time into making the arguments.
feels like someone went "make sure we have some interactions" in the scum QT; or just scum taking opportunites to respond to each other. I know I do that as scum.
Whereas iguana has things like:
Big factor #2 is mail-mi's handling of the RR lynch. You're first deflecting, then as soon as RR has the result on him - even though a tracker result on someone who wasn't shot isn't that big of a deal - you turn on him. That looks so much like you realizing "ow he's caught let me try to get towncred out of it".
#3 is how you keep pursuing players for classic non-tells, such as weak performances (see Seprix).
And #4 is that igauna seems to have played a solid town game all throughout.
So if you want me to change my mind, give me something substantial.
I'm Trampoline btw
My only vested interest in keeping him alive is so that I can fulfill my town!Trampoline win condition.
Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3
But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.
Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.
Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.
The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting
You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.
LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! :)
Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
QuoteI'm Trampoline btw
From RR's flip, we know that scum were given fake claims. iguana thinks he can be seen as townie by immediately claiming. He also knows that it might give scum (him and RR) information.
A lot of D1-2 he's "coaching" Seprix and getting mad at him. It's a good way to seem townie "Look, I'm helping people!" and "Grr seprix, me the fellow townie is getting mad at you for making us more likely to lose!" without actually putting any content in the game.
In iguana's recent games, he has...cared less? if that's a good way to put it... at the beginning of the game, because of a busy life. He only starts caring a lot and getting solvy when it mattered. As scum, it always matters. And he was very active and solvy throughout most of Day 1, which is not his current town meta, if I remember correctly.
My only vested interest in keeping him alive is so that I can fulfill my town!Trampoline win condition.
This is not a townie comment. He's emphasizing the fact that he's town too much. Scum is much more inclined to do this than town is.
His next post with RR is the stuff that you two are accusing me of, interaction without content.LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! :)
Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.
"Get on the mislynch RR!" Super obvious though, so only a very minor point. Also more of the non-content interaction, along with the rest of the quote chain.
More of the seprix coaching, and also being slightly wishy washy on seprix. A lot of his play was talking about seprix, actually. Which is scummy for two reasons: 1. A way to be active without providing content, and 2. it was a super easy thing to talk about, without bringing up any other discussion. This doesn't make much sense as I put it down in writing, unfortunately. I'll try to explain it: Scum doesn't want discussion, but scum has to participate in discussion so they aren't just lynched. So they make discussion about things that are relevant, but not content-bringing. does that make sense?
I can't figure out the scum motivation for his day end stuff [because there isn't any LOL!], but I also can't figure out a townie one [because he's some kinda phool I GUESS]. I guess a scum one is, post (https://www.google.com/search?q=lolwut&safe=strict&rlz=1C1AOHY_enUS708US708&tbm=isch&imgil=ff7Yd5AZg563DM%253A%253BuGWsDW7r1F-v3M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fknowyourmeme.com%25252Fmemes%25252Flolwut&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ff7Yd5AZg563DM%253A%252CuGWsDW7r1F-v3M%252C_&usg=__OHRjSMvNZELVmsvvmbfHxTl8bmU%3D&biw=1280&bih=709&ved=0ahUKEwibsfbk6frOAhUBUCYKHWa_AsUQyjcIKw&ei=zMHOV5ubCoGgmQHm_oqoDA#imgrc=ff7Yd5AZg563DM%3A)? I don't know.
There's iguana's day 1. He's been playing a verygood scumMEDIOCRE TOWN game.
Here's one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.0
Here's one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.0
43? jeez.
Is that the latest one?
WHO IS WE?
I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here ;) ;D
I wonder, silver: if I had killed iguana instead, would you have voted for Calamitas?
I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here ;) ;D
I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here ;) ;D
I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here ;) ;D
whom did you choose to target?
iguana actuallyI will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here ;) ;D
whom did you choose to target?
TOWN WINS!
Wow, I called the team. RR and Mail-Mi. To be fair though, I also called a lot of non-existent teams.i was kinda freaking out at that point. :P
Woo another win for me where I died early and did nothing!TOWN WINS!
Yaaaaaay!!!
Sorry I was so sickeningly townie that I got killed off before I could even make use of my PR! The rest of you were great :-)
I told you guys I wasn't scum.
This still needs an MVP right?
contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....
contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....
Never thought I'd see that as a MVP justification.
contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....
Never thought I'd see that as a MVP justification.