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[Captain_Frisk]

Again, I think a possible explanation is just 1 mafia left alongside the SK, and he keeps using the roleblock power instead of the kill. Although how this game is balanced with just 3 scum in 15 people is hard to understand. Although Dsell is lying, so there aren't 2 one-shot vigs, and under this scenario we don't need a doctor or roleblocker or anything to explain the lack of kills. So perhaps we aren't looking for 2 mafia after all?

In your scenario (1 remaining mafia roleblocker - who blocked DSell for fun on Night 3)... what did he do last night?  Roleblock someone else?  Why?  Everyone else is harmless!  Such bad logic!

@Tables - do you agree with the assessment that a mass roleclaim is a bad idea?

[Tables]

At this point, a massclaim would be a very bad idea. I think we can be pretty certain the remaining roles are: 1 Doctor, 2-3 townies, 0-1 Mafia goons, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 SK (there's other plausible cases, but I'm about 90% certain of this). So what would happen? Either everyone claims townie because the doctor doesn't want to out himself, or 1-3 people claim doctor. The SK probably won't as it's too dangerous, so 1-2 people claim doctor. If 2 do, well, good, we've got one pair with one scum. If 1 person does, yay, we just told the mafia who the doctor is.

Still rereading day 5 (I made like no notes on it because it seemed obvious what was going to happen from the start). So no further thoughts yet.

[Robz888]

Again, I think a possible explanation is just 1 mafia left alongside the SK, and he keeps using the roleblock power instead of the kill. Although how this game is balanced with just 3 scum in 15 people is hard to understand. Although Dsell is lying, so there aren't 2 one-shot vigs, and under this scenario we don't need a doctor or roleblocker or anything to explain the lack of kills. So perhaps we aren't looking for 2 mafia after all?

In your scenario (1 remaining mafia roleblocker - who blocked DSell for fun on Night 3)... what did he do last night?  Roleblock someone else?  Why?  Everyone else is harmless!  Such bad logic!

@Tables - do you agree with the assessment that a mass roleclaim is a bad idea?

I don't think it's necessarily bad logic. He keeps blocking the SK so the SK doesn't kill him, but he doesn't want to kill the SK, as we continue to mass lynch the town.

Okay, it's not the most likely option, perhaps, and it doesn't change anything. Dsell has got to be the SK. So we look at Glooble, Frisk, and SFS a little bit.

[Captain_Frisk]

Again, I think a possible explanation is just 1 mafia left alongside the SK, and he keeps using the roleblock power instead of the kill. Although how this game is balanced with just 3 scum in 15 people is hard to understand. Although Dsell is lying, so there aren't 2 one-shot vigs, and under this scenario we don't need a doctor or roleblocker or anything to explain the lack of kills. So perhaps we aren't looking for 2 mafia after all?

In your scenario (1 remaining mafia roleblocker - who blocked DSell for fun on Night 3)... what did he do last night?  Roleblock someone else?  Why?  Everyone else is harmless!  Such bad logic!

@Tables - do you agree with the assessment that a mass roleclaim is a bad idea?

I don't think it's necessarily bad logic. He keeps blocking the SK so the SK doesn't kill him, but he doesn't want to kill the SK, as we continue to mass lynch the town.

Okay, it's not the most likely option, perhaps, and it doesn't change anything. Dsell has got to be the SK. So we look at Glooble, Frisk, and SFS a little bit.

Hold on - if he keeps blocking the SK - then who killed pops?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Another explanation is that last night they didn't block Dsell, they killed him, using up one of his shot protections. And he shot Pops.

It's also possible that two nights ago, they both blocked and shot Dsell. So there were no deaths.

Except that the SK only gets bulletproof-ness once.  See page 1, under Witch. If someone shot Dsell 2 nights in a row, he'd be dead now, cause we don't have a jailkeeper.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

 * I don't think the doctor would have protected Dsell, just like it's hard to believe that a doctor protected Axxle2 when Dsell supposedly shot him.

[Robz888]

Again, I think a possible explanation is just 1 mafia left alongside the SK, and he keeps using the roleblock power instead of the kill. Although how this game is balanced with just 3 scum in 15 people is hard to understand. Although Dsell is lying, so there aren't 2 one-shot vigs, and under this scenario we don't need a doctor or roleblocker or anything to explain the lack of kills. So perhaps we aren't looking for 2 mafia after all?

In your scenario (1 remaining mafia roleblocker - who blocked DSell for fun on Night 3)... what did he do last night?  Roleblock someone else?  Why?  Everyone else is harmless!  Such bad logic!

@Tables - do you agree with the assessment that a mass roleclaim is a bad idea?

I don't think it's necessarily bad logic. He keeps blocking the SK so the SK doesn't kill him, but he doesn't want to kill the SK, as we continue to mass lynch the town.

Okay, it's not the most likely option, perhaps, and it doesn't change anything. Dsell has got to be the SK. So we look at Glooble, Frisk, and SFS a little bit.

Hold on - if he keeps blocking the SK - then who killed pops?

Uh, grr, yes. True. Okay, yes, that's true.

[Robz888]

* I don't think the doctor would have protected Dsell, just like it's hard to believe that a doctor protected Axxle2 when Dsell supposedly shot him.

The latter thing is impossible--no way a Doctor aligned with the town would do that to us.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

VOLTGLOSS - In the opening post under my role PM (which I won't quote), there are three possible results I would have gotten back from an investigation. (I've already discussed this in the game thread, so no surprises here).  The question I want to ask is too broad (i.e., under what circumstances would I get the 'non-answer' answer) in that there may be too many possible examples to cover, or providing any would affect the outcome of the game.  So I'll narrow the question:

          If I had investigated the serial killer, would I have gotten the 'non-answer' reply?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

VOLT - A better way to phrase it might be "under what circumstances is the 'non-answer' returned to the player?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Volt - disregard 3084, it present the same problem as my original version.

[Voltgloss]

SFS, I suggest you review the Witch/SK role PM given in the intro of the thread.  I think that will answer the question you're trying to ask.

Also:  if a Spy/Adventurer tries to investigate but is roleblocked, he would get a "no answer" result.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Thanks, it was that last part of your answer that I couldn't figure out how to ask.

[Glooble]

Ok, I realize this is dangerous, but I think it would be worse at this point to hold back information that would help the town.

I am a Town Bureaucrat (roleblocker). I blocked Captain_Frisk last night.

I didn't claim yesterday because I had blocked Axxle. The fact that there was no kill led me to believe he was scum, and we were going to lynch him anyway, so I didn't feel the need to expose myself.

Frisk is almost definitely either mafia or the SK. There is, of course, the possibility that he is town and the SK was roleblocked by the mafia. Personally, I find this unlikely.

I apologize if claiming at this point was the wrong decision, but I didn't want us to spend a lot of time trying to piece together last night without a crucial piece of information.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

VOTE: FRISK

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Going out for an hour or so. Will leave my vote where it is.

[Dsell]

I've already stated why the idea of me being SK is ridiculous, I won't rehash it here. I'm not sure what to think about the mafia, Tables and Robz have really strong alibis for why they can't be, but I don't know that I can still trust those. Definitely more likely that they are Serial Killers though. Glooble I have not been able to figure out this whole game although he has the twinclaim and the vote on O on his side. Again I'm not sure that I can trust that. He could be serial killer too, but I don't see this as super likely. So that leaves C_F, who seems most likely to be mafia. He didn't hammer O, but I've never really agreed that this puts him in the clear. Putting a vote on anyone is dangerous, though, so I guess I'll go back and reread for now.

I don't know, I'm pretty confused, I was sure that there was scum between jo/Axxle, and if not one of them, then pops looked fairly scummy.

Prepost edit: woaaah Glooble claimed. Ok I will have to reexamine to see what I think of this.

[Robz888]

Ok, I realize this is dangerous, but I think it would be worse at this point to hold back information that would help the town.

I am a Town Bureaucrat (roleblocker). I blocked Captain_Frisk last night.

I didn't claim yesterday because I had blocked Axxle. The fact that there was no kill led me to believe he was scum, and we were going to lynch him anyway, so I didn't feel the need to expose myself.

Frisk is almost definitely either mafia or the SK. There is, of course, the possibility that he is town and the SK was roleblocked by the mafia. Personally, I find this unlikely.

I apologize if claiming at this point was the wrong decision, but I didn't want us to spend a lot of time trying to piece together last night without a crucial piece of information.

Glooble, that was a huge mistake. You shouldn't have done that unless we were going to kill you. And I think, after long deliberation, we would have killed Frisk rather than you.

The reason is, this tells the mafia/SK who to kill: you. And you can't block them both (indeed, you may block neither), so you'll probably die.

Since you can't claim, though, you must immediately give a full accounting of your actions Nights 1, 2, 3, and 4.

[Robz888]

If Glooble is correct, Frisk is mafia, Dsell is SK, and other mafia is... who?

Or Frisk is mafia, Dsell is mafia, and SK is... Tables (Tables says me)?

[Robz888]

Oh, by the way, there's no way we have multiple Roleblockers, or a Roleblocker and a Doctor. So if anybody other than Glooble has these roles, come forward immediately.

[Robz888]

If you don't come forward now, we will NOT believe you later.

[Glooble]

Since you can't claim, though, you must immediately give a full accounting of your actions Nights 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Certainly.

Night one I blocked Grujah. He looked the scummiest to me coming out of day one.

Night two I blocked pops. His response to Galz's SK hunt looked scummy to me, and I still hadn't been won over to his general playstyle. He seemed as good a candidate to me as any.

Night three I blocked Axxle, and last night I blocked Frisk.

[Robz888]

You blocked Grujah Night 1? So he might have used his Vig power, and been prevented by you. Interesting.

[Captain_Frisk]

I am not going to participate in mass roleclaiming per Robz's comment and table's comment regarding roleclaiming being a bad idea.  Glooble may be telling the truth, but he hasn't blocked me from killing anyone.

[Robz888]

Okay, Night 3 we had zero kills, when we expected 3: Vig Dsell's kill of Axxle, the mafia kill, and the SK kill.

You blocked Axxle, who we know has no power. Meaning we had no townie ability to prevent a kill.

Let's say the mafia blocked Vig Dsell's kill of Axxle. There is actually no way that 2 more kills could have been blocked, no matter who is who. Because the SK can't prevent any kills, and the mafia prevented Dsell's kill. There is... no way to explain the lack of death.

Basically, Glooble is lying, or Dsell is lying.