Topic: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (GAME OVER - MAFIA WINS!) (Read 335820 times)

Robz888 · « **Reply #2950 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:09:31 pm »

SFS, but then we have to explain why there were zero kills last night, instead of 3. There had to have been a lot of roleblocking if the mafia did use a factional kill.

SwitchedFromStarcraft · « **Reply #2951 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:34:58 pm »

Yes, I wasn't unclear in my mind, I just wanted a binary statement on the issue, because there was a phrase in an earlier post (don't want to look it up right now, composing on something else), that was then later bolded and asked about. Clearly there were two ways to interpret that phrase, and yet I had a third viewpoint entirely. Hence my request of Volt.

popsofctown · « **Reply #2952 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:48:25 pm »

I am totally confused and bewildered by night's outcome. Night stuff is your job. I respect your job. Day stuff is my job, but you don't respect my job.

SwitchedFromStarcraft · « **Reply #2953 on:** July 06, 2012, 04:55:56 pm »

Quote from: Dsell on July 06, 2012, 03:06:04 pm

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 06, 2012, 03:01:44 pm
- Mafia Roleblocker blocks Town Vig DSell who was targeting Vanilla Town (per his claim) Axxle valid as a way to cause confusion and make for an easy lynch today (and tomorrow i suppose)

This is the problem, if the mafia has a roleblocker they had incentive to block my shot whether Axxle was town (or SK) or Mafia. If he's mafia it protects him for at least one night, if he's town it puts a lot of suspicion on both of us.

Emphasis mine.

This I agree with. And if Dsell were mafia, wouldn't mafia gain more than just confusion by taking Axxle out (if he's town), thereby accruing to Dsell HUGE town points. It's an almost guaranteed rest-of-the game disguise for Dsell.

So,
1) Does this clear Dsell in any way?
2) Does it give us any more to work with on Axxle (my brain hurts and I can run this one out that far.)

SwitchedFromStarcraft · « **Reply #2954 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:01:11 pm »

Axxle - What were you trying to convey in 2929? Frisk took it as an accusation, a notion at which you expressed bewilderment.

Axxle · « **Reply #2955 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:02:06 pm »

Quote from: Dsell on July 06, 2012, 03:01:50 pm

Also, would you elaborate on the jo/C_F interaction that you think makes C_F town?

Axxle · « **Reply #2956 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:02:45 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:02:06 pm

Quote from: Dsell on July 06, 2012, 03:01:50 pm
Also, would you elaborate on the jo/C_F interaction that you think makes C_F town?

I thought that's what made him town, as opposed to the opposite.

SwitchedFromStarcraft · « **Reply #2957 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:04:30 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:02:06 pm

Quote from: Dsell on July 06, 2012, 03:01:50 pm
Also, would you elaborate on the jo/C_F interaction that you think makes C_F town?

Pops is rubbing off on Axxle.

Axxle · « **Reply #2958 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm »

Scenarios:

DSell is SK, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create confusion. Mafia shot someone who got protected by doctor. Or mafia got roleblocked too.

DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.

I don't see a plausible scenario where DSell is mafia.

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2959 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:08:55 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:02:45 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:02:06 pm
Quote from: Dsell on July 06, 2012, 03:01:50 pm
Also, would you elaborate on the jo/C_F interaction that you think makes C_F town?
I thought that's what made him town, as opposed to the opposite.

Frankly - based on the overwhelmingly likely situation that you are scum, I'd rather you accused me of being mafia instead of town.

SwitchedFromStarcraft · « **Reply #2960 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:10:47 pm »

Quote from: Dsell on July 06, 2012, 03:07:34 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 03:04:27 pm
Quote from: Captain_Frisk on June 20, 2012, 07:44:32 pm
Quote from: jotheonah on June 20, 2012, 07:19:43 pm
And I'm sorry this is being seen as defensive. Perhaps this will help?

Unvote.

Vote: jtotheonah

When I flip town, lynch Axxle and/or whoever drops this hammer.

I want to hmmer on principal. Not going to iPhone hammer though.

But if he's mafia, he knew he would be targeting town. Not hammering on a mostly-inevitable mislynch gets him town points.

And has sort of an analog in "I forgot I didn't vote, I thought I voted".

popsofctown · « **Reply #2961 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:11:36 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm

DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.

Doctor's can't double time.

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2962 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:11:55 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm

Scenarios:

DSell is SK, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create confusion. Mafia shot someone who got protected by doctor. Or mafia got roleblocked too.

DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.

I don't see a plausible scenario where DSell is mafia.

Just to be clear - in both of these situations the mafia roleblocked DSell (preventing the kill of a known town or Serial Killer) - in exchange for confusion - the best case of which results in lynching both you today.... when they could have let just you die outright?

This is what you are going with?

Axxle · « **Reply #2963 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:12:38 pm »

Quote from: popsofctown on July 06, 2012, 05:11:36 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm

DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.

Doctor's can't double time.

You mean they can't save someone who got shot by two people in the night?

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2964 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:12:57 pm »

Can't edit - should read "both you today and DSell tomorrow"

Voltgloss · « **Reply #2965 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:14:47 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:12:38 pm

You mean they can't save someone who got shot by two people in the night?

Quote from: Voltgloss on July 06, 2012, 08:35:26 am

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 06, 2012, 08:29:44 am
@Voltgloss - Can you confirm the behavior of simultaneous targeting of Doctor, Vig / Serial Killer and Mafia?

Chaplain {Doctor} and Moat Builder {One-Shot Doctor} both protect their target from one nightkill. So if one Doctor role protects Player X, and Player X gets targeted by two nightkilling roles, then Player X is still going to die (absent any other interference). The Doctor protection stops one and only one of the nightkills; the "extra" nightkill goes through after the Doctor protection resolves.

If two Doctor roles protect Player X, and two nightkilling roles target Player X, then Player X survives. Each of the two Doctors prevents one of the two nightkills.

Axxle · « **Reply #2966 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:15:39 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 06, 2012, 05:11:55 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm
Scenarios:

DSell is SK, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create confusion. Mafia shot someone who got protected by doctor. Or mafia got roleblocked too.

DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.

I don't see a plausible scenario where DSell is mafia.

Just to be clear - in both of these situations the mafia roleblocked DSell (preventing the kill of a known town or Serial Killer) - in exchange for confusion - the best case of which results in lynching both you today.... when they could have let just you die outright?

This is what you are going with?

What I see the Mafia are planning is to queue up an Axxle lynch and a DSell lynch for today and tomorrow, two non-mafia members.

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2967 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:16:07 pm »

Did Axxle just get burned by the Mod?

Voltgloss · « **Reply #2968 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:21:23 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 06, 2012, 05:16:07 pm

Did Axxle just get burned by the Mod?

If it reads that way, it wasn't intentional. I was just trying to answer his question, and it happened to be a question I'd answered upthread.

Axxle · « **Reply #2969 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:24:12 pm »

SwitchedFromStarcraft · « **Reply #2970 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:26:19 pm »

How? I read it as Volt just reposting his earlier post, in confirmation of Pops' assertion in 2961.

PPE: ninja'd by mod himself

Axxle · « **Reply #2971 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:28:12 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm

Scenarios:

DSell is SK, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create confusion. Mafia shot someone who got protected by doctor. Or mafia got roleblocked too.

~~DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.~~

I don't see a plausible scenario where DSell is mafia.

So in conclusion I think that DSell is SK due to it being unlikely that we had 4 people target the same guy yesterday.

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2972 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:30:00 pm »

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:28:12 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm
Scenarios:

DSell is SK, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create confusion. Mafia shot someone who got protected by doctor. Or mafia got roleblocked too.

~~DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.~~

I don't see a plausible scenario where DSell is mafia.
So in conclusion I think that DSell is SK due to it being unlikely that we had 4 people target the same guy yesterday.

If DSell is the SK - I can think of a very plausible reason for the Mafia to roleblock him. They would almost have to! Would anyone like to hazard a guess?

Axxle · « **Reply #2973 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:31:01 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 06, 2012, 05:30:00 pm

Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:28:12 pm
Quote from: Axxle on July 06, 2012, 05:05:25 pm
Scenarios:

DSell is SK, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create confusion. Mafia shot someone who got protected by doctor. Or mafia got roleblocked too.

~~DSell is 1shot vig, tried to shoot me, got roleblocked by mafia to create comfusion. Mafia and SK shot the same person who got protected by the doctor.~~

I don't see a plausible scenario where DSell is mafia.
So in conclusion I think that DSell is SK due to it being unlikely that we had 4 people target the same guy yesterday.

If DSell is the SK - I can think of a very plausible reason for the Mafia to roleblock him. They would almost have to! Would anyone like to hazard a guess?

That... they thought it'd be funny? Like a clown?

Robz888 · « **Reply #2974 on:** July 06, 2012, 05:31:13 pm »

Because Axxle is the mafia!

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