(Sorry about the long post guys)
So I wanted to analyze Axxle1's lynch, but I hoped to go for a different angle. In general, a lot of suspicion is put on the final voters in a mislynch, especially the hammerer. The first couple voters who "drove the wagon" also get a lot of flack. This makes the middle of the pack look like a nice place to hide. So I went back and looked at what drove
Captain_Frisk,
SwitchedfromStarcraft, and
popsofctown to give Axxle1 their vote.
Captain Frisk: Here is his post where he votes for Axxle.
I'm watching Axxle too, and have requested (in my post at #807) player opinions on Galzria's post at #760. I think Galz may be on to something, but apparently no one else does, though echoed my request in your post at 854. It seems small, but small is all I've got, because the things that are BIG indicators (Jo's comment about self voting) inklings are all I have to go on at my skill level.
Are you trying to antagonize RobZ again? (emphasis mine in quote).
That said I am also Axxle suspicious. In the interest of seeing where this goes:
Unvote
Vote: Axxle
He is allegedly in favor of quick voting J and getting on with life per #754. I've just gone through his posts - and I see... almost nothing. I don't even really agree with Galzria that #754 puts him strongly out of line with his previous request for game meat vs. mafia theory. Apart from a helpful article, his posts are mostly 1-2 liners offering little in the way of things to call him out on.
Similar to DSell accusations, he's gotten involved with the Pops and J bandwagons - even voting twice on J for emphasis.
Then he damn near immediately backed off this morning when it started to look like J wasn't going to be lynched, and we were starting to take a serious look at how that divided the town. If he felt strongly enough to double vote for J, why back off so suddenly? If DSell is making him nervous - why not vote for him?
So he votes in the interest of seeing where things go. He also seems somewhat suspicious of Axxle, but very recently before this vote he had stated, "Axxle did post a n00b friendly article in the beginning of this game. I don't know if I agree that he's been trying to control the game and mold our behavior to his standards." This post also indicates that SFS had been getting somewhat suspicious.
I think this is interesting because it looks like a scumhunting, "let's see who jumps on this bandwagon" type of vote, not a "oh this guy is definitely mafia we gotta lynch him" vote. He lists things that make Axxle1 suspicious but admits he doesn't have much on him. However, he never unvoted. It looks like he either began to believe his own case or he was convinced by someone else (potentially mafia).
SFS: I won't quote the post where he votes because it is just a simple agreement with C_F's post. Problem is, C_F's post was admittedly thin on damning evidence.
To me, it seems like C_F thought he had enough evidence for a vote but perhaps not a lynching vote (correct me if I'm wrong here)
at that point. I'm not sure if SFS gets that, he seems to just agree and be ready to pull the trigger. But with very little explanation given for the vote, it's hard to tell. Unremarkable vote in the very middle of the pack. Important to note that SFS's suspicion (and C_F's) arose only after Galz's post condemning Axxle1.
popsofctown: Man, these three votes were rapid-fire. All on page 36. Here is pops' vote post, short as usual.
Theorel, all my votes this game have been serious, except for my vote where I pretended to copy SFS, that was a trollvote.
This vote is serious.
Vote: Axxle
His posting has read like a referee and not like a player.
So...ok I guess I just don't get this. Posts like this are what left me really unconvinced about the Axxle wagon. Axxle posted some articles early to help the noobs. He stifled humor. I definitely didn't like these things but it seemed like he mostly just wanted to get down to business but was a little gruff about it. I personally didn't read the articles because I didn't want to be told how to play the game. But POPS has been the main person who's looked like a referee to me. I don't need to rehash the things he said day 1 that really bothered me. But I didn't see that from Axxle so much, certainly not enough to make me really suspicious.
But ok, enough of my opinion. Pops cites this reason for his vote but does not explain it or offer any evidence of it. Furthermore, even if it's true and there's a lot of evidence, why does that mean he's mafia? Pops, was it simply a style of play that bothered you? Because I would argue that that is not a good reason to board a bandwagon that's really going. You said yourself, "Lynch mafia, not scum." How does playing like a referee make Axxle1 mafia (well obviously it doesn't) and would you please explain your meaning or evidence from that statement?
I don't know if any of these guys are mafia, but I don't want them to get off easy because they are in spots where we don't usually search for scum. This does make me a bit more suspicious of pops and C_F, though I believe SFS' roleclaim from earlier. I'd love thoughts on my analysis from others too.
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