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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2000 on: September 23, 2014, 06:13:06 pm »

Town is way too powerful if everyone is telling the truth. Even is silver is lying. I'm starting to think there are two scum factions.

silver, post in the Baratheon QT what result you get if your target isn't Realm-Aligned/Innocent. Ask faust if you need to.

what?

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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2001 on: September 23, 2014, 06:13:27 pm »

These reasons:

Well I'm here and I kinda new I was going to have to fight my lynch today.

Anyways one thing is that it looks like there might only be one scum team since there was one death. If that's true this makes me not worried about volt being scum right now as the only thing I was scared of was if there was a second scum team.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2002 on: September 23, 2014, 06:13:43 pm »

Town is way too powerful if everyone is telling the truth. Even is silver is lying. I'm starting to think there are two scum factions.

silver, post in the Baratheon QT what result you get if your target isn't Realm-Aligned/Innocent. Ask faust if you need to.

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Tell me what result you get if your target is not aligned with town.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2003 on: September 23, 2014, 06:14:55 pm »

Plus he actually solved our claiming stalemate.  Town points for that.
That's a really good point.

Ichi keeps jumping between a top scum read and a town read for me.
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Guessing I was a town read when I was voting for silver?

huh I guess so. I've posted in the QT about you. you were first null. then slight scum. Then I started to think you were high scum. but more recently I've moved towards more town(not because of silver vote but i guess the timings there). My read on you is almost full gut read though so thats why its jumping so much.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2004 on: September 23, 2014, 06:18:21 pm »

What do we do tonight?

The problem is I am not 100% confident on ash.

My vague outline - point out problems.

1. All Baratheons go to Stark (except me, who goes to Targ)
2. Anyone except for ash who is unaccounted for is in Baratheon, and is now obv!scum (what if ash moves to Baratheon? I can't see a way to deal with this)
3. Stark can now WIFOM if they're protecting ash/me. Ash is unrestricted in investigations. I am not really constrained (I can't target WW, XP, or Robz, all huge town reads for me)
4. Targ can roleblock/rolestop as they choose

Thoughts?
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2005 on: September 23, 2014, 06:22:32 pm »

Hydrad has 126 posts as of this writing:

7th post of the game is the ubiquitous "if there are doctors and stuff be careful about claims" warning.

Up to his 20th post of the game and what sticks out is just how jokey he is.  Like, every other post is "emoticon join my house emoticon".

His 30th post of the game is the first to bring up claiming empowerments.  Fishing?

His 36th post, he's aghast that we'd suggest dissolving his house.

His 37th post, he thinks at least let's empower it before killing it.

His 45th post is everyone's favorite, I think.  The self-aware one about not being a game of mafia if he isn't suspected.

His 46th post makes little sense to me.  Exact quote: "that is one thing to be aware of. If scum is afriad of the lannister power the easiest way for them to do that is to just kill me and egork."

His 52nd post of the game has his first read: doesn't want to lynch EgorK.

His 62nd post is his popsquiz.  He also votes XP in this post -- his first vote of the game.  Notable, as he was super jokey but never RVS voted.

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1. silverspawn - null
2. pacovf - nullish scum
3. ashersky - townish
4. Hydrad - IC obviously
5. Witherweaver - about 90% IC. I agree that no scum should do that and I'm not going to lynch him for a while. But if hes somehow still alive at the last 3 or something I'm going to consider him and not give him a free pass like everyone else seems too
6. Teproc - slight town
7. XerxesPraelor - I see him as scummy. His vote on me had really no context. It was just a vote on me. He also hasn't posted much so people are forgetting that hes in this game which is what scum wants I think
8. EgorK - mini scum read? actually probably more null. Egork has barely been in this game at all but from him I'm getting a more unavailable vibe then a trying to hide vibe. Not really sure why.
9. Robz888 - slight scum read. Not as scummy as XP but still don't like it. This isn't how he normally plays but I'm feeling its also a more unavailable feeling then anything.
10. Ichimaru Gin - town read
11. pingpongsam - scummy also.
12. azadin - null
13. Voltaire - town

In his 67th post, he says XP and PPS are scum.  Classic scum play here is to name one partner and one townie.

In his 69th post, he says he trusts Robz.

In his 72nd post, he says he's interested in PPS, but expresses some hesitation due to the town reads given him by azadin and myself.  He makes another self-aware comment here, as well.

In his 75th post, he comments on Voltaire's PPS vote, saying he didn't know Voltaire thought PPS was scum (which I think was obvious by then, right?).

In his 76th post, he says he was being sarcastic.  Cover up?

In his 77th post, he brings up pacovf painting him as scummy without voting for him.  Redirect?

In his 80th post, he responds to pacovf's question of whether anyone has seen scum!silverspawn yet.  He's pretty quick to say no.  Given new info and reads on silverspawn, this is interested.

In his 81st post, he says he's good with and EgorK lurker lynch, but prefers XP more.

In his 83rd post, he makes it "a lurker lynch" or "maybe pacovf."  Not sure that was accurate at the time.

In his 85th post, he says he doesn't want to lynch PPS right after PPS says he'll be active on D2.

In his 87th post, again feels bad about the PPS lynch.

His 90th post was his final of Day 1.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2006 on: September 23, 2014, 06:24:22 pm »

ash, between me and Pac, who is more likely to be scum?

At this point?  You, for sure.

I'm very confident in my pacovf read.  But you are basically in a counterclaim situation and caught.  I'll take that over reads any day.

I mean, if everyone wanted to suddenly lynch pacovf, awesome!  (except not, because that would be a bad sign)

But yeah, you for sure.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2007 on: September 23, 2014, 06:26:05 pm »

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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2008 on: September 23, 2014, 06:27:24 pm »

What do we do tonight?

The problem is I am not 100% confident on ash.

My vague outline - point out problems.

1. All Baratheons go to Stark (except me, who goes to Targ)
2. Anyone except for ash who is unaccounted for is in Baratheon, and is now obv!scum (what if ash moves to Baratheon? I can't see a way to deal with this)
3. Stark can now WIFOM if they're protecting ash/me. Ash is unrestricted in investigations. I am not really constrained (I can't target WW, XP, or Robz, all huge town reads for me)
4. Targ can roleblock/rolestop as they choose

Thoughts?

Well, we have no option of reducing to one house anymore.  So we need to put just enough people with XP to ensure town control there, while everyone else is in Stark for protection.  Lannister is dead and gone anyway.

I get that there's no way for anyone to ensure I didn't go to Baratheon.  But that's some pretty long term planning for me if that was my goal.

I mean, generally speaking, I don't care about house composition at all, so long as I'm not in a house.  If you all can work out a safe way for houses to exist and not be controlled by scum, then go for it.

I think lynching scum today will go a long way in doing that.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2009 on: September 23, 2014, 06:30:46 pm »

I agree. Just understand, ash, that even though I think it's most likely you're town, this game having a Tracker and full Cop is weird and so I need to try to guard against the conspiracy theory.

There's actually no reason I couldn't go Houseless myself, except then it locks me in and for some reason I was thinking it would be good to be in a House...maybe not though.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2010 on: September 23, 2014, 06:33:34 pm »

I want to lynch Hydrad today and likely silver tomorrow, depending.

My actual scum-read on Hydrad is much stronger than my read on silver--and Hydrad's reads and interactions just scream scum. So please let's lynch him today and not get sidetracked by other stuff.

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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2011 on: September 23, 2014, 06:33:49 pm »

So we can do this for sure...and we can go deeper when we look at PPS.

silverspawn
pacovf
ashersky - I really hesitate to do this, but copping Robz D1 makes perfect sense, and he sure as heck performed an action on Robz.
Hydrad
Witherweaver - play + mod situation
Teproc - play
XerxesPraelor - silver's "result"
EgorK
Robz888 - ash's result (even if ash is scum, I don't think he targets his own partner with a PR, maybe jailkeeper? anyway not something to consider today)
Ichimaru Gin
Voltaire - make the case I'm scum. I dare you.

Fascinating. Green/Red are flips. Orange is probably town to everyone at this point (other than ash). So consider this biased with my reads.

D1 Final Vote

pacovf (3): ashersky, Witherweaver, EgorK
XerxesPraelor (3): Hydrad, pingpongsam, silverspawn
pingpongsam (7): Ichimaru Gin, Teproc, Robz888, pacovf, XerxesPraelor, Voltaire, azadin

pacof actually reached L-1, right? And then XP became the last-minute alternate wagon after that, if I'm remembering correctly. Which I would say is huge town points for both of them.


I think we can combine these.  We have POE + on-wagon and off-wagon:

We have silverspawn, pacovf, Hydrad, EgorK, and Ichimaru Gin

I agree with Voltaire's POE list as is.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2012 on: September 23, 2014, 06:34:08 pm »

My actual scum-read on Hydrad is much stronger than my read on silver--and Hydrad's reads and interactions just scream scum. So please let's lynch him today and not get sidetracked by other stuff.

It seems likely we're going to lynch Hydrad. But we need a plan for tonight.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2013 on: September 23, 2014, 06:36:02 pm »

If we have two scum teams, where did their NK go?
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2014 on: September 23, 2014, 06:37:20 pm »

If we have two scum teams, where did their NK go?

Stark's doctor?
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2015 on: September 23, 2014, 06:37:42 pm »

Well I did doctor someone, so maybe there.
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« Reply #2016 on: September 23, 2014, 06:37:51 pm »

Setup information

There are 13 players, some of which are mafia and rest town (Realm-aligned in this game).
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2017 on: September 23, 2014, 06:38:09 pm »

I think that's pretty indicative that there are "mafia" and "town" and nothing else.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2018 on: September 23, 2014, 06:38:41 pm »

Yeah.

So this should be easy.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2019 on: September 23, 2014, 06:39:12 pm »

I think that's pretty indicative that there are "mafia" and "town" and nothing else.

I've been thinking the same.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2020 on: September 23, 2014, 06:42:12 pm »

Volt, if the problem in your plan is ash going to Baratheon... why do we need to empy Baratheon ?
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2021 on: September 23, 2014, 06:43:19 pm »

Its going to be a bit harder since i'm town :/

I think you guys have to be careful. If ash is scum and jumps into baratheon or someone else does. Its really hard to keep track of everyone in a game like this
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« Reply #2022 on: September 23, 2014, 06:44:25 pm »

Volt, if the problem in your plan is ash going to Baratheon... why do we need to empy Baratheon ?

I honestly forget why.

The trick is we want Stark to be biggest, so the Doctor is strongman.

I need to re-read the current Baratheon QT thinking Hydrad is scum. Because I put my finger on why my gut says town and it was the QT.
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Re: Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2023 on: September 23, 2014, 06:45:59 pm »

Volt, if the problem in your plan is ash going to Baratheon... why do we need to empy Baratheon ?

I honestly forget why.

The trick is we want Stark to be biggest, so the Doctor is strongman.

I need to re-read the current Baratheon QT thinking Hydrad is scum. Because I put my finger on why my gut says town and it was the QT.

I have a lot of trouble with Hydrad. Part of it also related to an ongoing game, so...

But the evidence is there, in terms of interactions. Find the case Ichi made at the start of the day, it's really solid.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2024 on: September 23, 2014, 06:50:20 pm »

The following post will be me summarizing things from the Baratheon QT re: Hydrad. The two of us were easily the most talkative.

  • his first post is jokey
  • he is the first to suggest that we use our power, even though we said we wouldn't, and said I should do it (I had come to the same conclusion BUT NOT POSTED IT yet)
  • says he thinks we have scum in the QT
  • says it's cool to have something to do at night
  • asks EgorK (who was quiet) what he thinks about the idea of me using the power
  • says if he were scum he would NK me or WW
  • says he only realized during N1 that scum would really want to be in Baratheon for the extra NK
  • then the day opens, and he says he'll talk in the QT but won't be posting in the thread much. And was true to that. Leaves by saying he trusts EgorK the least.
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