Alright, what struck me as scummy was how lio was trying to set the tone and the mood of the town in each new post at the beginning of day. It wasn't very blatant, it was subtle, but it is certainly there. He is coming into this day with an agenda and trying to move town toward a specific goal, a specific direction... scum does that. Not town.
First post:
ugh. Vote: Spiritbears for that hammer! I hate hammers like that. Yes, I know nkirbit had already said he wasn't going to claim. However, you have to state intent and wait for something. I was planning to read nkirbit, and I never got a chance to do that. It was possible that maybe I would find nkirbit to be clearly town, and could maybe have prevented a mislynch. This is why I sometimes freak out when people get to L-1, because things like this are disasterous.
pretty obvious, let's look at spiritbears.
Sidenote: I am in the camp that doesn't find spiritbears scummy for what he did. To me it was very similar to the way he voted at the end of mean girls... pretty abruptly and certainly not at a point when the conversation was over. His vote was more about himself being frustrated with nkirbit and making up his mind... and typically when spiritbears makes up his mind, it is made (he knows this, we know this... so yeah, why not just go ahead and hammer.) I don't like it, but that is the way it is.
But for lio--if he is scum--it is the perfect route to go. And the easiest. And if I am scum, I am also going to go down this route, because hey... why not? It is potentially a pretty easy mislynch.
Next post:
The reason for my vote (which I should have explained in my first post), is not that I'm frustrated with the hammer (which I am), but that I think if we let people get away with hammers with that, scum will take advantage of it. We can't let scum get away with hammering without warning. Only scum ever have a motive to do that. So I actually think he's scum.
his reasoning... it is basically a policy vote at this point. Bad for this game, good for f.ds overall. Now I am all in favor of good for f.ds overall, but I also want to win this game.
Next:
Another thing I dislike: when town forgets dead conf!townies' reads. So here are nkirbit's final reads:
Reads, scum to town:
Mcmc
Mail-Mi
Robz
Yuma
Lio
SB
Voltaire
I'm forgetting someone, but they're probably in the middle since they don't bring up much thoughts.
He forgets Chairs in this list. anyway, let's keep these in mind.
Again he is directing out thoughts for us. "Hey, let's not forget what the dead townie thought!!! Oh and by the way he thought I was town. Just FYI."
Note here that nkirbit had a town read on spiritbears--because I know someone else will bring it up--and I already know what lio's answer would be... "Well nkirbit at that time didn't know that spiritbears would vote for him, if he did, his scum read on him would have gone up." Fair enough, but really the point is that we are moving in a direction that lio is dictating from the outset.
Next post: not a direction one, but a nice little public relations boost about PRs...
I'll say this right now: let's skip all the silly speculation about why there wasn't a kill. If you're a PR, use your own judgement on when to say anything. Use good judgement though . We have nothing to gain by discussing it further, and scum has stuff to gain in terms of figuring out who the PRs are.
again another post that is moving us in a certain direction:
Well, that could have gone better. I'm still on limited access until about 36 hours from now. What can we glean from this? Who pushed this Wagon hardest, etc
I think it make spiritbears look really scummy because of his flip on nkirbit. Seems like scum who was like "I'm gonna be off-wagon, this'll be awesome!" then, "oh no, this mislynch might not go through without me. I really just want to get to night and mislynch townies, so I'll "change my mind"".
It also makes whoever was the alternative wagon(s) look bad. So that's Yuma, and maybe mail-mi/chairs right?
So if not spiritbears, who else could be an easy mislynch--granted this was in response to chairs--but note that it is people that aren't lio... trying to move town's attention and focus to a specific direction
Now the real question is thus:
Does lio's early day2 behavior--where I think he is trying to move town's attention to a specific area: ie spiritbears, mail-mi, yuma--match up with what I think scum would look like day1?
notes about day1:
- self-referencing LVS - I've metnioned this before
- I found his vote and then him saying that he noticed the "VT-slip" but didn't want to say anything about it to be off.
- he was one of the players that I felt off for joining onto the mail-mi wagon, which I still think was an "easy" wagon. Remember the other player there was nkirbit... who I ultimately voted for after rereading both nkirbit and lio. But just because one player was town, doesn't invalidate that I felt like it would be a good place for mafia to jump onto.
- lamenting a lack of support on mcmc when he never really pushed it--but used it as a justification for moving to mail-mi... I hadn't noticed it before, but it stands out now.
- he started into the spiritbears case mid-day1. Again if I am scum and lio, when I see spiritbears hammer, I shout "Yippie! Someone I already have a scum read on did something pretty ridiculous that I think I can spin a scummy! Easy day2 lynch coming up. Mylo here we come!"
- he initially was reading nkiribt a bit scummy, but his ulitmate reason for not voting for him was "his reaction felt genuine." To me this is a classic reason for not voting someone as scum. Don't have to justify it, just say his reaction felt real... it is especially easy if you know someone's alignment, because it was real!
So yeah, I feel good about this vote.
Lio is what I would expect from scum. Trying to manipulate subtly the direction of town, staying mostly out of the limelight. Picking his fights and arguments carefully, setting up mislynches for the next day...
Right now I feel town on voltaire and mcmc.
middling on townside: mail-mi and chairs and spiritbears
null: robz
scum: lio.
I don't know who lio's partner could be and wouldn't really feel comfortable trying to pinpoint that down right now. Robz is possible, so is chairs. Others I think less likely.