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[Voltaire]

do we all have two lives?

That is what I am thinking.

[EFHW]

Voltaire do you have a different role now?

[Voltaire]

Voltaire do you have a different role now?

Yup. Which was news to me.

[Voltaire]

I also have a different flavor name.

[EFHW]

also, when did he become a vigilante?  Why aren't you a redirector, and why wasn't ash a gladiator?

What are you talking about a vig? I'm not a redirector because I'm dead, and ash would only be a gladiator had he won yesterday.

I mean you didn't flip redirector, you flipped gladiator

[EFHW]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

[Voltaire]

also, when did he become a vigilante?  Why aren't you a redirector, and why wasn't ash a gladiator?

What are you talking about a vig? I'm not a redirector because I'm dead, and ash would only be a gladiator had he won yesterday.

I mean you didn't flip redirector, you flipped gladiator

Correct. I just checked the PM yuma sent me, and I only asked him about what happened when I was lynched. I can confirm, though, that I was told when the night began that I had ash's role, and it worked how he described it.

[Voltaire]

You are right, that is not what I expected.

[Voltaire]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

Why do you think ash killed me? I don't follow.

[Voltaire]

Also I have to go, I have something to get to but when I saw the thread was unlocked I had to check.

[jotheonah]

I'm guessing we all start out as secondary characters and then come back to life as Bluths.

But do you see the problem here? If there's no alignment flips, then an extra life for scum seems worse then an extra life for town, right? Town dies, becomes an IC. Scum dies, gets killed immediately.

[Archetype]

I'm guessing we all start out as secondary characters and then come back to life as Bluths.

But do you see the problem here? If there's no alignment flips, then an extra life for scum seems worse then an extra life for town, right? Town dies, becomes an IC. Scum dies, gets killed immediately.

Unless their alignment changes?

Also, it said "Good Bluth" for ashersky. Does that mean there are Bad Bluths?

Who did you Bodyguard last night Faust?

[pingpongsam]

Grins Maniacally

[EFHW]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

Why do you think ash killed me? I don't follow.

Because he was a big and he was sure you were scum and he always shoots as vig.

[EFHW]

Vig, not big!

[EFHW]

I'm guessing we all start out as secondary characters and then come back to life as Bluths.

But do you see the problem here? If there's no alignment flips, then an extra life for scum seems worse then an extra life for town, right? Town dies, becomes an IC. Scum dies, gets killed immediately.

Maybe it's the IC thing that made them want to kill ashersky.  We have to assume no alignment switching, b/c that would be bastard.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Hmmm...very peculiar. Very peculiar indeed.

I guess the 2 lives theory makes some sense. It certainly would have the effect of lengthening the game. Are we sure this isn't something particular to ash and/or Volt though, or due to some other PR meddling?

Volt, are you going to share your new role and flavor? That could be helpful.

[xeiron]

Two  lives, thats a suprise.
But it is the only thing that make sense.

I did wonder last night why we never got Asherskys alignment when he died (he flipped in green, but it never said that he was town).
I first thought green ment town, but now I thing it is just a confusing element added by the mod.
First flip is always in green (even for scum) the secon and final flip is in grey and states allignment.

That means voltaire is not confirmed town.

[xeiron]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

I think scum thought Ashersky flipped town, and that he would become a IC today, so they killed him again. They must have been told about the two-life mechanic somehow.

It is quite obvious that Ashersky shot Voltaire. He got vig as his second role, and he made it clear D1 that Voltaire was his top suspect.

[faust]

I'm guessing we all start out as secondary characters and then come back to life as Bluths.

But do you see the problem here? If there's no alignment flips, then an extra life for scum seems worse then an extra life for town, right? Town dies, becomes an IC. Scum dies, gets killed immediately.

Unless their alignment changes?

Also, it said "Good Bluth" for ashersky. Does that mean there are Bad Bluths?

Who did you Bodyguard last night Faust?

Right now, I do not wish to reaveal anything about my night action without there being a reason to.

[faust]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

It isn't all that clear to me that scum knows.

Vote: EFHW for now. This only adds to my previous suspicion.

[faust]

The two life theory makes me think a massclaim is the way to go. We can figure out stuff, and because we might have two lives, scum doesn't get to know the whole setup.

Also, scum having two lives means a scum Gladiator is more likely.

[xeiron]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

It isn't all that clear to me that scum knows.

Vote: EFHW for now. This only adds to my previous suspicion.

Do you have any other explanation for why anybody would target Ashersky during the night even though he just was lynched?

It is not common to target dead players, and it was not obvious from Asherskys flip that he was still alive.

[Eevee]

I have no idea what all of this means. I feel the mechanics make scumhunting and taking reads significantly harder. I wouldn't oppose a massclaim.

[faust]

scum clearly knows about this 2nd chance at life thing.  Crap - it looks like ashersky killed Voltaire and scum killed ashersky.  The question is why would scum want to kill ashersky?

It isn't all that clear to me that scum knows.

Vote: EFHW for now. This only adds to my previous suspicion.

Do you have any other explanation for why anybody would target Ashersky during the night even though he just was lynched?

It is not common to target dead players, and it was not obvious from Asherskys flip that he was still alive.

Well, there are ways without ashersky being directly targeted. Some kill could have been redirected to him. In the end, I guess it's most likely that the mafia killed him, but I don't like how EFHW was jumping to conclusions.