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[Swowl]

OK here is the thing. All bullshit aside.

Let's say we are going to lynch Ash/MiX today. Fine, I actually am ok with this at this point.

UB needs to claim right now.

Reasoning coming...

[Dylan32]

@Ash about your post about your skills declining or former reputation and everything: Dude, your reputation is part of what makes it hard to trust you sometimes because I believe you to be one of the better scum players on f.ds.  I've always been afraid to sheep you're reads unless you had some serious towncred built up because I try to be extra careful to not be duped by players better than myself (which to be fair I think is most people).  So if today happens to end with you being lynched instead of MiX and you flip town, as long as your read is right and MiX then flips scum, don't take it as an insult and leave, because I personally enjoy you being in the game. It instantly makes me think harder, even when I disagree with you or think you may be wrong.

Another thing, I feel like (if you're town) you are at a disadvantage to some extent both in terms of forming reads and being read since you were a post-D1 sub, since you lose the wagon timing context like has been talked about and we lose seeing how you would have reacted to what turns out to have been the central wagon to this whole game.  Maybe if you had been in D1, you're play would have given you more towncred to make it easy to choose between you and MiX.

It's been hard for me to decide in part because early on in the raptor vs me stuff, MiX was one of the people that seemed to be making the most sense, and even though I know it isn't, it's hard not to read that agreement as towny.

On a related tangent, this game can be hard for a person who naturally tries to get people to get along lol

ppe 4

[Swowl]

Essentially it prevents a situation from occurring where we get a counter claim in Mylo/Lylo. Here is just an example:

I am, as I have been since Day 4, essentially certain that ASH is the UB here. If not, then I wrong whatever, but there are only 2 remaining people it can be at this point. If we claim today, we GTD that even with a CC Town wins the game. We cannot do that if we wait past today.


The main part of the plan was to have Yuma claim at L-1. If they claimed UB and there was a CC, we lynch Yuma and win either way. Apologies for the plan not being like crazy or anything, but obviously the main idea was to follow skum read on the last day we could afford to on a player that could still fake (or not fake) claim the UB option, thus potentially creating a safe CC situation for us.

Today's fall back plan was always just to claim because it makes no sense not to.

ppe dylan

[MiX]

If ash is UB they should claim so that they become an IC and I'm lynched. That's the pro-ash play, and why I know he's not UB. If he is, damn, I guess I'm mislynched. But I haven't been wrong that much (I did vote LL) this game, I don't think ash would do all this as UB.

That's kinda why I wanted to talk about things yesterday, I understood that you thought ash was UB since he and scola are the only ones that can be UB at this point. But instead of relying on that chance, you should read him, and you would see his play and his lack of claim make him not UB.

If he is I'll eat a hat as well.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, the point I realized scola and Ash were the only two that could be it (barring town lying well after the UB claims VT massclaim) was when I dropped being too suspicious of scola. Unless Ash is doing like he mentioned about the doc wanting town to figure it out for themselves instead of just claiming and handing it to them, at this point I'm pretty confident it's scola.  I wasn't going to say anything about this, but since y'all already threw it out there, might as well.

[Swowl]

If ash is UB they should claim so that they become an IC and I'm lynched. That's the pro-ash play, and why I know he's not UB. If he is, damn, I guess I'm mislynched. But I haven't been wrong that much (I did vote LL) this game, I don't think ash would do all this as UB.

That's kinda why I wanted to talk about things yesterday, I understood that you thought ash was UB since he and scola are the only ones that can be UB at this point. But instead of relying on that chance, you should read him, and you would see his play and his lack of claim make him not UB.

If he is I'll eat a hat as well.

well one way or another I guess someone gonna have to buy a hat.


also - that is a good specification.

Ash should absolutely be the first one to claim here.

[Swowl]

Yeah, the point I realized scola and Ash were the only two that could be it (barring town lying well after the UB claims VT massclaim) was when I dropped being too suspicious of scola. Unless Ash is doing like he mentioned about the doc wanting town to figure it out for themselves instead of just claiming and handing it to them, at this point I'm pretty confident it's scola.  I wasn't going to say anything about this, but since y'all already threw it out there, might as well.

well it doesn't do any harm now to bring it up, as it down to only those 2. When yuma was still in the mix, it made it more complicated.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, the point I realized scola and Ash were the only two that could be it (barring town lying well after the UB claims VT massclaim) was when I dropped being too suspicious of scola. Unless Ash is doing like he mentioned about the doc wanting town to figure it out for themselves instead of just claiming and handing it to them, at this point I'm pretty confident it's scola.  I wasn't going to say anything about this, but since y'all already threw it out there, might as well.

well it doesn't do any harm now to bring it up, as it down to only those 2. When yuma was still in the mix, it made it more complicated.

I mean sure. It obviously wasn't too hard to figure out since at least 3 of us did, but a reason not to (if scum was actually using the NK lol) would be to force possibly noob or lazy scum to figure it out on their own.  Of course, it also doesn't matter since they would have me as basically good as an IC target right now, so that wouldn't matter now either way I guess.

[MiX]

Yeah, the point I realized scola and Ash were the only two that could be it (barring town lying well after the UB claims VT massclaim) was when I dropped being too suspicious of scola. Unless Ash is doing like he mentioned about the doc wanting town to figure it out for themselves instead of just claiming and handing it to them, at this point I'm pretty confident it's scola.  I wasn't going to say anything about this, but since y'all already threw it out there, might as well.

well it doesn't do any harm now to bring it up, as it down to only those 2. When yuma was still in the mix, it made it more complicated.

yuma claimed he wasn't UB early yesterday, when he said that we (me and yuma) had already claimed to not be UB at the D3 massclaim.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, the point I realized scola and Ash were the only two that could be it (barring town lying well after the UB claims VT massclaim) was when I dropped being too suspicious of scola. Unless Ash is doing like he mentioned about the doc wanting town to figure it out for themselves instead of just claiming and handing it to them, at this point I'm pretty confident it's scola.  I wasn't going to say anything about this, but since y'all already threw it out there, might as well.

well it doesn't do any harm now to bring it up, as it down to only those 2. When yuma was still in the mix, it made it more complicated.

yuma claimed he wasn't UB early yesterday, when he said that we (me and yuma) had already claimed to not be UB at the D3 massclaim.

At the D3 massclaim the UB was supposed to say VT I thought, but yeah yuma did specify not UB.

[Swowl]

Yeah, the point I realized scola and Ash were the only two that could be it (barring town lying well after the UB claims VT massclaim) was when I dropped being too suspicious of scola. Unless Ash is doing like he mentioned about the doc wanting town to figure it out for themselves instead of just claiming and handing it to them, at this point I'm pretty confident it's scola.  I wasn't going to say anything about this, but since y'all already threw it out there, might as well.

well it doesn't do any harm now to bring it up, as it down to only those 2. When yuma was still in the mix, it made it more complicated.

yuma claimed he wasn't UB early yesterday, when he said that we (me and yuma) had already claimed to not be UB at the D3 massclaim.

At the D3 massclaim the UB was supposed to say VT I thought, but yeah yuma did specify not UB.

this was kind of my thought, based on the wording, obviously I was over paranoid about it.

[ashersky]

I am, as I have been since Day 4, essentially certain that ASH is the UB here.

Is that timing correct?  You voted me on Day 4, and on Day 5, no?

I do like your thinking, though.

[Dylan32]

I am, as I have been since Day 4, essentially certain that ASH is the UB here.

Is that timing correct?  You voted me on Day 4, and on Day 5, no?

I do like your thinking, though.

Is his thinking correct or not though? The quality of the thought matters much less than the accuracy of the thought right now.

[Swowl]

It is correct.
I did not vote ash.
I pushed the LL case all day. Never voted anyone else.

[Swowl]

It is correct.
I did not vote ash.
I pushed the LL case all day. Never voted anyone else.

on day 4 to be clear.
On day 5 I voted no one until Yuma.

Not certain how my *accurate* not-misinterpretation of how I got to my end point is relevant here though. What is important, is Ash makes a claim.

[Swowl]

I am, as I have been since Day 4, essentially certain that ASH is the UB here.

Is that timing correct?  You voted me on Day 4, and on Day 5, no?

I do like your thinking, though.

Is his thinking correct or not though? The quality of the thought matters much less than the accuracy of the thought right now.

lol right... this.

[ashersky]

Ash hasn't made a claim up to this point.

I am, as I have been since Day 4, essentially certain that ASH is the UB here.

Is that timing correct?  You voted me on Day 4, and on Day 5, no?

I do like your thinking, though.

Is his thinking correct or not though? The quality of the thought matters much less than the accuracy of the thought right now.

DS is absolutely correct to not vote me and to believe I'm town.  I also agree in principle with DS's UB claiming reasoning.  I also like how DS was thinking I was the UB, which makes a lot of sense to think from an outside perspective.

Does that help?

[ashersky]

It is correct.
I did not vote ash.
I pushed the LL case all day. Never voted anyone else.

on day 4 to be clear.
On day 5 I voted no one until Yuma.

Not certain how my *accurate* not-misinterpretation of how I got to my end point is relevant here though. What is important, is Ash makes a claim.

Okay.  I believe you -- I'm thinking of WCD maybe, who flipflopped?

[ashersky]

Anything else need clarification right now?

[Swowl]

Anything else need clarification right now?

lol yes....

[Swowl]

while I appreciate your reasoning of my thought process, if it is genuine, then you understand the validity in my insisting on you claiming UB. Or not I suppose. But you need to claim. We only have 5 day days, and I cannot come up with a single thing - nor can anyone else, yourself so far included, new to discuss or talk about.

so the clarification is I would like you to claim UB or not. Pretty please.

[ashersky]

I do not claim to be the UB.

[Swowl]

Awesome. Thank you.
Dylan should probably confirm but i think the best play would now be for scolapasta to speak.

[Dylan32]

Awesome. Thank you.
Dylan should probably confirm but i think the best play would now be for scolapasta to speak.

Yup. I have nothing more to say until they do.

[MiX]

Awesome. Thank you.
Dylan should probably confirm but i think the best play would now be for scolapasta to speak.

Yup. I have nothing more to say until they do.

We can wait for yet another IC to speak.

Or we can lynch scum and end this game.

As you can see from the previous 2 days, ICs talking does not equate to scum flipping, or even PoE dropping. I'm still alive, ash's still alive.

But sure we can drag this day more.