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[Galzria]

Okay, I went back and read your big posts and I'm a little more with you but I can't get behind MiX trying to indicate to or coach someone. Tell me if I'm losing the translation here but isn't that a not small part of your argument for Maxford being scum? That MiX was telling him what to do? I just can't see that being possible with Maxford being new and MiX being a traitor. Why would MiX bother sticking his neck out for the new kid who doesn't know him/his style/etc.? Wouldn't he single out the people who know him instead if he were trying to flag them down? If that's true, and it certainly is in my mind, your own analysis points to faust.

I don’t think so. At least, I think it’s entirely possible for MiX to prod a reluctant or new player that he knows to be scum by consistently trying to get him to commit more. MiX didn’t come out and say “Yo, scumbuddy, I know you don’t know I’m your partner but I need you to do more”, but he couldn’t exactly, could he.

The reason it’s particularly scummy here is that MiX didn’t really have a reason to treat Town!Maxford the way he did. He wasn’t buddying Maxford, which is what you might expect scum!{anybody} to do to the new guy. He wasn’t trying to make friends, he was trying to get Maxford to engage. Coaching may be the wrong word, and what’s tripping you up. It’s more like nudging and guiding.

[faust]

I call raerae/Eevee/Galzria.

Well at least I'll go back and see if MiX's actions are compatible with these guys being scum.

[raerae]

Okay, I went back and read your big posts and I'm a little more with you but I can't get behind MiX trying to indicate to or coach someone. Tell me if I'm losing the translation here but isn't that a not small part of your argument for Maxford being scum? That MiX was telling him what to do? I just can't see that being possible with Maxford being new and MiX being a traitor. Why would MiX bother sticking his neck out for the new kid who doesn't know him/his style/etc.? Wouldn't he single out the people who know him instead if he were trying to flag them down? If that's true, and it certainly is in my mind, your own analysis points to faust.

I don’t think so. At least, I think it’s entirely possible for MiX to prod a reluctant or new player that he knows to be scum by consistently trying to get him to commit more. MiX didn’t come out and say “Yo, scumbuddy, I know you don’t know I’m your partner but I need you to do more”, but he couldn’t exactly, could he.

The reason it’s particularly scummy here is that MiX didn’t really have a reason to treat Town!Maxford the way he did. He wasn’t buddying Maxford, which is what you might expect scum!{anybody} to do to the new guy. He wasn’t trying to make friends, he was trying to get Maxford to engage. Coaching may be the wrong word, and what’s tripping you up. It’s more like nudging and guiding.

grumblegrumblegrumble Fine, bolded does seem likely. It still seems like a weird thing to do but, then again, MiX. And I suppose the world could exist where we're both right. I'm going to snooze on this.

[Joseph2302]

What's really needed here is more input from Space/Joseph, who are simultaneously the most townie, most lazy and most wrong people around.

I'm V/LA til Monday
faust and Galz are my two biggest scum reads right now, but not sure if they fit together as partners

Oh and the last 2-3 games, my reads have been awful too

[Joseph2302]

I call raerae/Eevee/Galzria.

Well at least I'll go back and see if MiX's actions are compatible with these guys being scum.

If you're town, then that seems like a reasonable scum team
Just not convinced you are

[Swowl]

Vote Count 4.1:

faust (1): Maxford
Maxford (1): Galzria

Not Voting (6): faust, Joseph2302, Eevee, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, raerae


With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 4 ends on Friday, November 22nd, at 3:32pm EST.

*Joseph is VLA until Monday
**The MOD is semi VLA until Monday. If you need something answered before then, please put it in personal QT to make sure I see it. Thanks.

[SpaceAnemone]

I call raerae/Eevee/Galzria.

Well at least I'll go back and see if MiX's actions are compatible with these guys being scum.

For that to be the team, then Shraeye's wagon would have had to have been six townies voting for a town, with the seventh vote cast by the traitor, while all the scums were weirdly focused on getting Joth lynched, even before his claim.

Not saying that getting Joth lynched didn't look like a good option at the time -- it was the one I was pushing for -- but why would the scum team not take the easy choice and switch to Shraeye?

[SpaceAnemone]

@Galz, weren't you arguing quite strongly for one scum between faust and Joseph, based on that same Shraeye wagon?

[SpaceAnemone]

What's really needed here is more input from Space/Joseph, who are simultaneously the most townie, most lazy and most wrong people around.

I'm townie and wrong, this much is true.

And I do think Joseph is townie, but I think I agree more with Raerae than anyone else right now. So it's odd than you pick Joseph to be town, and put her on your proposed scum team.

[Galzria]

@Galz, weren't you arguing quite strongly for one scum between faust and Joseph, based on that same Shraeye wagon?

Yes, and I still believe this to be true. But unlike you I do not read Joseph as townie. I thought after my MiX read that if Joseph is scum, then MiX did well by him - but that’s entirely possible.

[SpaceAnemone]

@Galz, weren't you arguing quite strongly for one scum between faust and Joseph, based on that same Shraeye wagon?

Yes, and I still believe this to be true. But unlike you I do not read Joseph as townie. I thought after my MiX read that if Joseph is scum, then MiX did well by him - but that’s entirely possible.

Okay, so what do you think of faust saying that he thinks Joseph is townie, then? Shouldn't scum!faust want to paint town!Joseph as scummy? Or town!faust be really quite suspicious of Joseph for the same reason you're suspicious of one of the pair of them?

[Eevee]

Drunk ama.

[raerae]

Drunk ama.

Still committed to faust? Got any other ideas?

[Eevee]

For one, I'd be interested to hear more from whatever LL softclaimed last night.

Faust looks scummy for the hammer.

[raerae]

For one, I'd be interested to hear more from whatever LL softclaimed last night.

Faust looks scummy for the hammer.

Whatcha think about Galz' argument? How's Space look to you?

[Eevee]

Galzria's argument looks towny, which is always suspicious, obviously.

Space has always been tough to read for me. I guess PoE scum at this point. I don't trust any of you all.

[raerae]

Galzria's argument looks towny, which is always suspicious, obviously.

Space has always been tough to read for me. I guess PoE scum at this point. I don't trust any of you all.

If LL claims do you want everybody to claim?

[Galzria]

@Galz, weren't you arguing quite strongly for one scum between faust and Joseph, based on that same Shraeye wagon?

Yes, and I still believe this to be true. But unlike you I do not read Joseph as townie. I thought after my MiX read that if Joseph is scum, then MiX did well by him - but that’s entirely possible.

Okay, so what do you think of faust saying that he thinks Joseph is townie, then? Shouldn't scum!faust want to paint town!Joseph as scummy? Or town!faust be really quite suspicious of Joseph for the same reason you're suspicious of one of the pair of them?

You’re asking me why I think faust’s reads would differ from my reads? Faust doesn’t see any reason why 5 or 6 or 7 Town couldn’t all be on or at the front of a wagon. In a sense, he’s right - they could be. I just don’t believe that actually happens all that frequently. Votes are not independent & random dice rolls, but he’ll often act like they are, especially in the absence of information.

Now, we’re not playing in an absence of information, and he’s as entitled to his reads as anybody else. So I don’t find him any MORE scummy for thinking Joseph is town - I just think that if Faust himself is town then he’s wrong about his read on Joseph.

[Galzria]

@Galz, weren't you arguing quite strongly for one scum between faust and Joseph, based on that same Shraeye wagon?

Yes, and I still believe this to be true. But unlike you I do not read Joseph as townie. I thought after my MiX read that if Joseph is scum, then MiX did well by him - but that’s entirely possible.

Okay, so what do you think of faust saying that he thinks Joseph is townie, then? Shouldn't scum!faust want to paint town!Joseph as scummy? Or town!faust be really quite suspicious of Joseph for the same reason you're suspicious of one of the pair of them?

You’re asking me why I think faust’s reads would differ from my reads? Faust doesn’t see any reason why 5 or 6 or 7 Town couldn’t all be on or at the front of a wagon. In a sense, he’s right - they could be. I just don’t believe that actually happens all that frequently. Votes are not independent & random dice rolls, but he’ll often act like they are, especially in the absence of information.

Now, we’re not playing in an absence of information, and he’s as entitled to his reads as anybody else. So I don’t find him any MORE scummy for thinking Joseph is town - I just think that if Faust himself is town then he’s wrong about his read on Joseph.

I’m actually surprised more (all?) of you aren’t more adamant that there should be scum between {Galzria, Maxford} - being the only two off a wagon that you all were on. Given any argument starts from your own perspective of being Town, then unless you believe you shared a wagon with all three remaining scum, then one of Maxford or I (or you might argue both) should be scum.

That is, while I do believe Maxford is scum because I don’t believe all three scum were on the Joth wagon (amongst other reasons), it is at least MORE likely to me that I’m wrong and they all piled on than it should be to the town of you on that wagon - as you know you’re Town and I don’t.

[LaLight]

Why are we not no lynching? We're in MyLo

[LaLight]

I don't want to claim yet

[Joseph2302]

Why are we not no lynching? We're in MyLo

I was thinking this as well

Right now, we're 5/3 l, and if we mislynch we get endgamed (that's what MYLO means after all)
If we no lynch, we're 4/3, which increases odds of successful lynch tomorrow

[raerae]

I don't want to claim yet

What's the difference between today and yesterday? You sure sounded like you were interested in dropping some knowledge on us then.

[faust]

Why are we not no lynching? We're in MyLo

I was thinking this as well

Right now, we're 5/3 l, and if we mislynch we get endgamed (that's what MYLO means after all)
If we no lynch, we're 4/3, which increases odds of successful lynch tomorrow

I depends on whether we think we could prevent a nightkill down the road. If we can, then it's better to lynch, as we might get an additional mislynch down the line.

[faust]

Okay, I went back and read your big posts and I'm a little more with you but I can't get behind MiX trying to indicate to or coach someone. Tell me if I'm losing the translation here but isn't that a not small part of your argument for Maxford being scum? That MiX was telling him what to do? I just can't see that being possible with Maxford being new and MiX being a traitor. Why would MiX bother sticking his neck out for the new kid who doesn't know him/his style/etc.? Wouldn't he single out the people who know him instead if he were trying to flag them down? If that's true, and it certainly is in my mind, your own analysis points to faust.

I don’t think so. At least, I think it’s entirely possible for MiX to prod a reluctant or new player that he knows to be scum by consistently trying to get him to commit more. MiX didn’t come out and say “Yo, scumbuddy, I know you don’t know I’m your partner but I need you to do more”, but he couldn’t exactly, could he.

The reason it’s particularly scummy here is that MiX didn’t really have a reason to treat Town!Maxford the way he did. He wasn’t buddying Maxford, which is what you might expect scum!{anybody} to do to the new guy. He wasn’t trying to make friends, he was trying to get Maxford to engage. Coaching may be the wrong word, and what’s tripping you up. It’s more like nudging and guiding.

Coming back from a reread, I find this point pretty weak. MiX exhibits the same sort of behaviour towards Raptor.