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[mail-mi]

I have been lurking indeed; yesterday was busy. I should be on more today to answer any questions.

No that was not a hedge defense of skip, I just wanted to see what ADK's reasoning is.

I think Teproc and WW are of the same alignment. Whether that's town or scum, I don't know.

If Teproc is scum, Mail-Mi is highly likely to be scum as well.  It is known.

And why is that?

[chairs]

Heh. For me, I've noticed that I'm much more aggressive as Town (well, when I'm not just lurker!chairs, which is a meta that has harmed me as Town but helped me as Mafia). I already know my scum tell is probably going to be "get along with everybody" because I'm always paranoid to be mean/aggro as scum but I'm not sure how I'm going to smooth that out.

(I'm Town this game. It just occurred to me and I wanted to share as an aside).

[chairs]

I have been lurking indeed; yesterday was busy. I should be on more today to answer any questions.

No that was not a hedge defense of skip, I just wanted to see what ADK's reasoning is.

I think Teproc and WW are of the same alignment. Whether that's town or scum, I don't know.

If Teproc is scum, Mail-Mi is highly likely to be scum as well.  It is known.

And why is that?

Yeah, I can't say I understand this association.

[skip wooznum]

Yep, it's L-1. chairs, did you know it was L-1 ?

Obviously don't hammer, need more time to discuss etc.

Uh, Chairs? Why is this scummy?

Teproc appeared to be really, really pushing WW to me (maybe your impression will be different). I'm of the opinion that if you're pushing a wagon, you don't throw the brakes when the wagon gets to the edge of the cliff.

As far as WW's behavior - it's generated a lot of interaction on D1. That's something we reliably struggle with, imho, to the point that I almost ignore D1 in Normal (not RMM) games out of habit. Sure, he's been abrasive, but abrasive has led to a lot of opportunities for us to review each other on later Days after flips, which is the best part of forum Mafia, right?

are you saying that ww is purposely trying to generate interactions and you consider that towny?

[Seprix]

I have been lurking indeed; yesterday was busy. I should be on more today to answer any questions.

No that was not a hedge defense of skip, I just wanted to see what ADK's reasoning is.

I think Teproc and WW are of the same alignment. Whether that's town or scum, I don't know.

If Teproc is scum, Mail-Mi is highly likely to be scum as well.  It is known.

And why is that?

Yeah, I can't say I understand this association.

Ditto.

[mail-mi]

And for what it's worth, if only one of Teproc/WW is scum, i think it would be Teproc, for the same reason as chairs.

Also, I think chairs is town and won't lynch him today.

[Awaclus]

But about faking activity, etc., I think it's kind of a universal scum tell,

I fake activity as town.

[chairs]

Yep, it's L-1. chairs, did you know it was L-1 ?

Obviously don't hammer, need more time to discuss etc.

Uh, Chairs? Why is this scummy?

Teproc appeared to be really, really pushing WW to me (maybe your impression will be different). I'm of the opinion that if you're pushing a wagon, you don't throw the brakes when the wagon gets to the edge of the cliff.

As far as WW's behavior - it's generated a lot of interaction on D1. That's something we reliably struggle with, imho, to the point that I almost ignore D1 in Normal (not RMM) games out of habit. Sure, he's been abrasive, but abrasive has led to a lot of opportunities for us to review each other on later Days after flips, which is the best part of forum Mafia, right?

are you saying that ww is purposely trying to generate interactions and you consider that towny?

Yes.

[pacovf]

I have been lurking indeed; yesterday was busy. I should be on more today to answer any questions.

No that was not a hedge defense of skip, I just wanted to see what ADK's reasoning is.

I think Teproc and WW are of the same alignment. Whether that's town or scum, I don't know.

If Teproc is scum, Mail-Mi is highly likely to be scum as well.  It is known.

And why is that?

Yeah, I can't say I understand this association.

Ditto.

Because he's lining up mislynches, duh (from WW's PoV).

[Teproc]

Yep, it's L-1. chairs, did you know it was L-1 ?

Obviously don't hammer, need more time to discuss etc.

Uh, Chairs? Why is this scummy?

Teproc appeared to be really, really pushing WW to me (maybe your impression will be different). I'm of the opinion that if you're pushing a wagon, you don't throw the brakes when the wagon gets to the edge of the cliff.

As far as WW's behavior - it's generated a lot of interaction on D1. That's something we reliably struggle with, imho, to the point that I almost ignore D1 in Normal (not RMM) games out of habit. Sure, he's been abrasive, but abrasive has led to a lot of opportunities for us to review each other on later Days after flips, which is the best part of forum Mafia, right?

Well, that makes no sense. Both of those points actually.

To the first : you put someone at L-1two days into the game, of course I'm going to pull the brakes. mail-mi had three posts when you voted, and many people had not had the time to properly state their opinion on recent devlopments. I myself was waiting to hear about the mail-mi case (I'm not convinced, but mail-mi is someone I have a very hard time catching without interactions or PoE), so yeah.

The second implies that WW was trying to get a wagon on himself and is therefore town ? Or something ? It really makes no sense, most of WW's activity has been defending himself, which is good if he's town, but obviously something he'd do as scum too.

PPE : 2

[Teproc]

I don't think the mail-mi/Teproc scumteam line of reasoning makes much sense either (not only for the obvious reasons), but I doubt WW meant much by it. As a reminder : thinking about scumteams on day 1 is almost always counterproductive.

[pacovf]

It would be nice to know the opinion of Awaclus, joseph and Hydrad about all this.

[Hydrad]

So much has happened!

So WW. Since I've started playing I think WW feels different then normal. If this was my first game I would say his reactions here are towny. But for some reason WW just feels different but it could just be I've never seen him have to react to a day 1 lynch possibility.

On phone so will post more later

[Witherweaver]

I don't think the mail-mi/Teproc scumteam line of reasoning makes much sense either (not only for the obvious reasons), but I doubt WW meant much by it. As a reminder : thinking about scumteams on day 1 is almost always counterproductive.

It's something Jimmmm pointed out once: a lot of the time, when scum has a  scumpartners in a big argument, etc., they make comments like "town v. town" or "same alignment" or something to that effect.

[Teproc]

I don't think the mail-mi/Teproc scumteam line of reasoning makes much sense either (not only for the obvious reasons), but I doubt WW meant much by it. As a reminder : thinking about scumteams on day 1 is almost always counterproductive.

It's something Jimmmm pointed out once: a lot of the time, when scum has a  scumpartners in a big argument, etc., they make comments like "town v. town" or "same alignment" or something to that effect.

Oh I know. He actually observed it in Chocolate Factory, where he had a big fight with ash (who was scum, which Jimmm knew because he had goon copped him and was trying to lynch him without claiming to out the partners), and I (ash's scumbuddy) kinda just said "looks like town v town to me" and moved on.

I'm not saying there's no merit to it, but it's something that only becomes worth discussing once someone does flip scum.

[Witherweaver]

Right, but sometimes I forget to go back to things, and I don't know that I'll be around if or when you flip scum, so that was more a "let's get this on record" comment.

[Teproc]

Nicely done.

[Teproc]

Wait, not nicely done, you had the "if or" in there. I'm disappointed.

[Joseph2302]

This is L-2 I believe.

Sweet, early wagons are on town.

Or they don't result in a lynch, or something.  I don't remember what the mantra is.

Probably both, it must be a town wagon because I'm town, right?

[Joseph2302]

It's weird that you think that's a justification.

It's much weirder that Wither agreed with you and strengthened it to "something only scum do" especially without actually voting for me.

Vote: Witherweaver

You know nothing, UmbrageOfSnow.

vote: Witherweaver

There's a reason I quoted WW, not skip, when questioning the "justifying an RVS vote" reasoning. He's encouraging suspicion based on dubious reasons without actually taking part... and when confronted, has nothing to say about it. Perhaps hoping we'd just move on ? I won't, town!WW is more engaged than this, and wouldn't only post the jokey response. He would do that and follow it up with an actual post of significance. Here his only post of significance is "yeah, that thing is totally scummy, you go ahead and lynch that guy".

Looks fine to me. I think Teproc is mistaken about WW, but he does have a point here.

I don't see how this is scummy from Teproc either.

It would be nice to know the opinion of Awaclus, joseph and Hydrad about all this.

I think WW is scummy, which probably makes Teproc slightly town.
chairs is lurky, but that's not a tell of anything.

I have been lurking indeed; yesterday was busy. I should be on more today to answer any questions.

No that was not a hedge defense of skip, I just wanted to see what ADK's reasoning is.

I think Teproc and WW are of the same alignment. Whether that's town or scum, I don't know.

If Teproc is scum, Mail-Mi is highly likely to be scum as well.  It is known.

And why is that?

Don't understand this either.

[chairs]

I'm lurky? I feel like I've been posting pretty damn frequently.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Hydrad: How RVSy was this vote really?  Can you elaborate on your thoughts at the time you made it?

Vote: WW

because I want to see him lynched day 1 once.

And what do you think of Teproc's response to it?

[Joseph2302]

I'm lurky? I feel like I've been posting pretty damn frequently.

9 posts in 2 days isn't super-active, although it is pretty active for chairs actually.

[Hydrad]

Hydrad: How RVSy was this vote really?  Can you elaborate on your thoughts at the time you made it?

Vote: WW

because I want to see him lynched day 1 once.

And what do you think of Teproc's response to it?

At the time it was pretty RVSy but its kinda turned into a real vote (now I'm scum because I said that right)

Then for teprocs response I guess I agreed with it. We were pretty much out of RVS and with my WW vote there I could have turned the game back into RVS and just hurt us so I think his point was valid.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Hydrad: How RVSy was this vote really?  Can you elaborate on your thoughts at the time you made it?

Vote: WW

because I want to see him lynched day 1 once.

And what do you think of Teproc's response to it?

At the time it was pretty RVSy but its kinda turned into a real vote (now I'm scum because I said that right)

Then for teprocs response I guess I agreed with it. We were pretty much out of RVS and with my WW vote there I could have turned the game back into RVS and just hurt us so I think his point was valid.

Cool.  Any particular reason you wanted to move off Seprix at that time?