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[Robz888]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

Sorry, I'm getting mean. I need to take breather.

[Captain_Frisk]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

[Robz888]

If it matters to anyone, I suspect the mafia are either:

Grujah, Frisk, Jo

OR

3 of O, Insomniac, Theorel, and sparky

If there is a Serial Killer, I have a hard time fitting him into the first list.

[Robz888]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

Yeah, whenever I mentioned strongman kills I was speaking about Mafia JOAT or SK. For me it was part of the calculus for there not being an SK, because if he chose those kills there would be less reason to think a kill would have been blocked last night.

[Captain_Frisk]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

Yeah, whenever I mentioned strongman kills I was speaking about Mafia JOAT or SK. For me it was part of the calculus for there not being an SK, because if he chose those kills there would be less reason to think a kill would have been blocked last night.

In my head I assume that SK takes bulletproof, after O (i think) made a comment in M4 that the SK should always take bulletproof.  This stuck in my head because i had of course taken investigation immune (which was WORTHLESS) after seeing the power of cops previously, and being a mafia n00b.

[Insomniac]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

Yeah, whenever I mentioned strongman kills I was speaking about Mafia JOAT or SK. For me it was part of the calculus for there not being an SK, because if he chose those kills there would be less reason to think a kill would have been blocked last night.

In my head I assume that SK takes bulletproof, after O (i think) made a comment in M4 that the SK should always take bulletproof.  This stuck in my head because i had of course taken investigation immune (which was WORTHLESS) after seeing the power of cops previously, and being a mafia n00b.

I don't know that that is true, I think that in this game strongman ninja is way more powerful than investigation immune, it makes you untrackable and unblockable as opposed to untrackable.

[Robz888]

Also, if you believe my claim, you can see why I would want to kill Grujah. If Grujah flips doctor, Frisk is town, Cuzz is probably town, we know exactly where to look next round. If Grujah flips scum, even better.

If we kill someone else, let's say sparky, what will happen? IF we don't win the WIFOM battle, I mean look I'm going to die. Grujah, Frisk, and Cuzz will all be alive, and the survivors will once again have to way this perilous decision of whether to trust them. If we answer that question now, I think it's better.

PPE I still think the SK would have been more likely take 1-shot immunity, even though all these doctors and JKing and tracking certainly makes strongman/ninja the better option.

[Captain_Frisk]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

Yeah, whenever I mentioned strongman kills I was speaking about Mafia JOAT or SK. For me it was part of the calculus for there not being an SK, because if he chose those kills there would be less reason to think a kill would have been blocked last night.

In my head I assume that SK takes bulletproof, after O (i think) made a comment in M4 that the SK should always take bulletproof.  This stuck in my head because i had of course taken investigation immune (which was WORTHLESS) after seeing the power of cops previously, and being a mafia n00b.

I don't know that that is true, I think that in this game strongman ninja is way more powerful than investigation immune, it makes you untrackable and unblockable as opposed to untrackable.

Are you saying your kills are both Strong and Silent?  I read it as either or?

[jotheonah]

Also, if you believe my claim, you can see why I would want to kill Grujah. If Grujah flips doctor, Frisk is town, Cuzz is probably town, we know exactly where to look next round. If Grujah flips scum, even better.

If we kill someone else, let's say sparky, what will happen? IF we don't win the WIFOM battle, I mean look I'm going to die. Grujah, Frisk, and Cuzz will all be alive, and the survivors will once again have to way this perilous decision of whether to trust them. If we answer that question now, I think it's better.

PPE I still think the SK would have been more likely take 1-shot immunity, even though all these doctors and JKing and tracking certainly makes strongman/ninja the better option.

Yeah, I'm with you on the Gru lynch. And I'll even hammer once all the claims are in. Insom, you may as well claim.

[Robz888]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

Yeah, whenever I mentioned strongman kills I was speaking about Mafia JOAT or SK. For me it was part of the calculus for there not being an SK, because if he chose those kills there would be less reason to think a kill would have been blocked last night.

In my head I assume that SK takes bulletproof, after O (i think) made a comment in M4 that the SK should always take bulletproof.  This stuck in my head because i had of course taken investigation immune (which was WORTHLESS) after seeing the power of cops previously, and being a mafia n00b.

I don't know that that is true, I think that in this game strongman ninja is way more powerful than investigation immune, it makes you untrackable and unblockable as opposed to untrackable.

Are you saying your kills are both Strong and Silent?  I read it as either or?

It's crystal clear to me from the intro post and mafia scum wiki that you choose to be 1-shot bulletpoor, or your kills are BOTH strongman and ninjaed.

[Insomniac]

BTW, while we're calculating worst case scenarios: I just looked through the setup and noticed the SK could ALSO have a Strongman kill.

You didn't know that already?

I didn't!

Yeah, whenever I mentioned strongman kills I was speaking about Mafia JOAT or SK. For me it was part of the calculus for there not being an SK, because if he chose those kills there would be less reason to think a kill would have been blocked last night.

In my head I assume that SK takes bulletproof, after O (i think) made a comment in M4 that the SK should always take bulletproof.  This stuck in my head because i had of course taken investigation immune (which was WORTHLESS) after seeing the power of cops previously, and being a mafia n00b.

I don't know that that is true, I think that in this game strongman ninja is way more powerful than investigation immune, it makes you untrackable and unblockable as opposed to untrackable.

Are you saying your kills are both Strong and Silent?  I read it as either or?

Nope, I could be reading this thing wrong, like I completely missed the part about 7 rolls. and I read it as a choice between EITHER 1 shot bullet proof OR strong/ninja kills and the slash could be interpreted either way. I should read the role pm....

PPE: go read the opening post. it's both

[Insomniac]

Also, if you believe my claim, you can see why I would want to kill Grujah. If Grujah flips doctor, Frisk is town, Cuzz is probably town, we know exactly where to look next round. If Grujah flips scum, even better.

If we kill someone else, let's say sparky, what will happen? IF we don't win the WIFOM battle, I mean look I'm going to die. Grujah, Frisk, and Cuzz will all be alive, and the survivors will once again have to way this perilous decision of whether to trust them. If we answer that question now, I think it's better.

PPE I still think the SK would have been more likely take 1-shot immunity, even though all these doctors and JKing and tracking certainly makes strongman/ninja the better option.

Yeah, I'm with you on the Gru lynch. And I'll even hammer once all the claims are in. Insom, you may as well claim.

Deal! I'm a VT

[Captain_Frisk]

Also, if you believe my claim, you can see why I would want to kill Grujah. If Grujah flips doctor, Frisk is town, Cuzz is probably town, we know exactly where to look next round. If Grujah flips scum, even better.

If we kill someone else, let's say sparky, what will happen? IF we don't win the WIFOM battle, I mean look I'm going to die. Grujah, Frisk, and Cuzz will all be alive, and the survivors will once again have to way this perilous decision of whether to trust them. If we answer that question now, I think it's better.

PPE I still think the SK would have been more likely take 1-shot immunity, even though all these doctors and JKing and tracking certainly makes strongman/ninja the better option.

Yeah, I'm with you on the Gru lynch. And I'll even hammer once all the claims are in. Insom, you may as well claim.

So that leaves Theorel and Sparky?  Who else?

[Captain_Frisk]

RobZ - I urge you to unvote.  If Grujah is telling the truth and we do have 6 PRs, then we can lose by lynching him.

Why do you guys view his claim as even remotely plausible as scum?  Would you ever drunk claim?

[Captain_Frisk]

Sparky - stop posting math problems and get in here.

[Robz888]

RobZ - I urge you to unvote.  If Grujah is telling the truth and we do have 6 PRs, then we can lose by lynching him.

Why do you guys view his claim as even remotely plausible as scum?  Would you ever drunk claim?

I absolutely will not unvote, how dare you.

He had no choice but to claim when he was drunk. He was drunk, and he needed to claim. In that lens, picking Doctor makes sense as a lazy, drunken scum claim. He didn't even know someone else claimed it! And you've turned this into a too stupid to be disbelieved sort of thing.

[Robz888]

But I'm not too happy to see that sparky was off in other places while we were discussing such important matters. Yeah, that's pretty scummy.

[Captain_Frisk]

Joth - my #1 scumread - is threatening to hammer.

[Insomniac]

1 - ashersky - Vigilante
2 - Robz888 - Tracker
3 - Eevee - Hider
4 - Captain_Frisk - Jailkeeper
5 - cayvie - VT
6 - sparky5856 - ??
7 - jotheonah - VT
8 - Insomniac - VT
9 - Grujah - Doctor
10 - Cuzz - Doctor
11 - pingpongsam - VT
12 - O - VT
13 - theorel - ??

PPE: @Frisk - TBH I would drunk claim but as I've expressed in multiple QT's I personally don't ever fakeclaim, IF I was on the chopping block as town in Lylo I would fake claim Serial Killer when applicable. An example of this when I was scum and didn't fakeclaim is RMM1, I didn't tell the whole truth about my night actions, but I didn't lie about my role either. For the as town fakeclaiming serial killer see M4 Qt where I REALLY REALLY hoped it was what you had done.

[Captain_Frisk]

I would have done it too as town (or scum).  Unfortunately, I was the serial killer.

[Captain_Frisk]

In my head i keep serial killer and scum different.  Am I wrong?

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote: Sparky

[Grujah]

Blah, I am a Doctor, I breadcrumed it and everything. You are now trying to base a case on me being slightly intoxicated, which I find ridiculous.

Also, remmeber when I said I consider forced claims bad? You see what happens when we do it? Mafia knows very well who (if any) fakeclaimed and who didn't, we don't - they have such an upper than now.

Trying to catch up with the thread right now, I have some meaningful stuff to say but would like to do it all in one go when I read the rest too, would appreciate if I don't get lynched in meantime.

[Cuzz]

In my head i keep serial killer and scum different.  Am I wrong?

Mafia and sk are subsets of scum I think.

[Robz888]

If anyone ever says "but I breadcrumbed it!" again, I will policy lynch them.