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[jotheonah]

Oops. Slot Frisk in under theorel on my list. Some good initiative, O.

[Robz888]

I am also not the Jailkeeper.

[Robz888]

Let's hear from Frisk/Theorel/sparky/Insomniac next. I actually don't really have an ordering for those people--none of them would surprise me as scum.

[sparky5856]

Fake FOS to Jo for suggesting more time-wasting nonsense. We have to get on with this already.

Indeed. I say we make a move on. Not much activity on the weekend.

And since O has gotten a head start I might as well... I'm not the JK. I popcorn Robz if we're still doing popcorn.

PPE: Hey I'm using PPE correctly? Radical. Someone else claim then.

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote: Joth for rolefishing for a jailkeeper. 

If we're going to drive a jailkeeper claim out, we might as well full claim and see if we can actually get some conflicting claims out.

[sparky5856]

What? The point of this is to see if Grujah or Cuzz is lying. Why refuse to find out?

[Captain_Frisk]

Lets assume for a second that they are telling the truth.  This outs another town PR.  Since the odds of a 6th and 7th town PR are increasingly small, we've effectively forced claims out of all of the town PRs, and let Mafia sit around smiling.

[Robz888]

Lets assume for a second that they are telling the truth.  This outs another town PR.  Since the odds of a 6th and 7th town PR are increasingly small, we've effectively forced claims out of all of the town PRs, and let Mafia sit around smiling.

And we've also narrowed down scum to a vanishingly small pool of contenders. Scum can't kill all our PRs in one night, so I think it's just the price we pay at this point, and not necessarily so bad.

[Robz888]

Oh, and Vote: Captain_Frisk. You're here, we're doing this, and so should you.

[Captain_Frisk]

I will not.

[Voltgloss]

Vote Count 2-13

O (1): theorel
Grujah (2): Cuzz, Insomniac
Insomniac (1): Grujah
theorel (1): O
Robz888 (1): jotheonah
jotheonah (1): Captain_Frisk
Captain_Frisk (1): Robz888

Not voting {1}: sparky5856

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, October 13, 3:00 p.m. EDT

[Robz888]

I will not.

I urge you to reconsider.

[sparky5856]

yeah should have done this my last post.

VOTE: Captain_Frisk

Reason why I didn't is because I wanted to see his response. Not particularly convincing for me; I see all of this more as what Robz said about narrowing down the scum pool.

Either Frisk is the jailkeeper himself... or he's scum not wanting to reveal his role. Or I'm wrong. In which case maybe he's just an anticonformist.

[Robz888]

yeah should have done this my last post.

VOTE: Captain_Frisk

Reason why I didn't is because I wanted to see his response. Not particularly convincing for me; I see all of this more as what Robz said about narrowing down the scum pool.

Either Frisk is the jailkeeper himself... or he's scum not wanting to reveal his role. Or I'm wrong. In which case maybe he's just an anticonformist.

If Frisk is himself the Jailkeeper, then he must surely realize the horrible disservice he will do the town when everyone but him claims. Because then we will be forced to kill a doctor.

[jotheonah]

I'm not claiming until theorel claims, and neither should Insom.

[Captain_Frisk]

Surely if I am the jailkeeper, or I know that there is one, you are aware that revealing that information is extremely anti town, unless we're just going to commit to full claiming anyway.

[sparky5856]

So what happens if multiple people claim JK? Say one person claims JK and he's scum. The real JK counterclaims him and starts a wagon on him. But if there is a liar among them, then we're not sure which one is the REAL JK. Now say town first claims JK. Scum can counterclaim and start a wagon on the real JK, and we won't know for sure which is the real one.

But that's all foolishness, right? Once the fake scum JK eliminates the real JK, that reveals the scum's identity, and they will die shortly after. So, not smart. It makes much more intuitive sense for the real JK to counterclaim than for scum to counterclaim.

RAMBLING WHY AM I DOING THIS

Also why is Captain_Frisk calling for full-claiming? Isn't forcing out all of the town PR's (which we WILL do in that case) anti-town as he said?

[Captain_Frisk]

I'm suggesting that if there is a jk, then outing themselves is bad play.  As such, I am voting joth for trying to role fish.

[Robz888]

I'm suggesting that if there is a jk, then outing themselves is bad play.  As such, I am voting joth for trying to role fish.

There's just very little chance that we are truly playing the double doctor scenario. Chance, sure, but a small one. Outing the JK will confirm the story, and we will have 3 people we know are town.

The alternative is to disbelieve Grujah's claim, and kill him. The other alternative is to believe both, and kill someone else.

I think the outing-the-JK scenario is not quite so bad as these others, and if no one claims JK we get our scum for sure. I would rather have the claims out there and trust myself in evaluating them. Even so, I see no reason for everyone to fullclaim. However, this is a situation where we do profit directly from the JK claiming, specifically.

[Captain_Frisk]

Oh, and sparky, with 3 scum in this position, I would absolutely counterclaim jk as a vanilla goon.  Sure, you'll be a guaranteed day 3 lynch, but you'll get the most dangerous protective role out of the game, and you have scum to spare.

[Captain_Frisk]

What the heck is wrong with you robz?  A jk does not confirm that the doctors are real, it just doesn't prove that one of them is lying,

[Captain_Frisk]

Did we get grujahs protection claim?  On a pad and searching sucks.

[jotheonah]

I'm totally stumped this game, and I think the chance at a 50/50 chance (that we would get if no one claimed JK) is worth it. I did, however, want to wait for town consensus before anyone claimed. But O jumped out, somewhat unsurprisingly.

[Captain_Frisk]

Ok joth.  Assume that you are town, and there is no jk.

That proves that one of the doctors is lying. 

That puts 2scum in the remaining 6.  Is it worth a 50 pct chance of lynching our only protective role to get a jump from 33pct scum in the remaining 6 non claimers?

[sparky5856]

Wait a minute. Brain-fart.

If we DO have a JK who claims, that doesn't put both Cuzz and Grujah in the clear. It's possible for there to be only one doctor with a jailkeeper. And I'm the one who pointed that out. DUrrrrrrrrrrp.

And Frisk already said this. Well, we still know that one is lying if no one claims JK.

Frisk, who is more suspicious to you, Cuzz or Grujah?