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[yuma]

People should go read Jimmmm...

Why?

I've done the re-read, btw.

because I haven't and don't and won't have the time coming up for the next little while (I start back on at work tomorrow) and he is a high person of interest given the quote I pointed to above

[EFHW]

Vote Count 2.1  

ashersky (1): xeiron
yuma (2): sudgy, ashersky
Jimmmmm (1): yuma
pingpongsam (1): Voltaire

Not voting (6): A Drowned Kernel, faust, Jimmmmm, pingpongsam, Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
 

Actually, I already Unvoted

? I don't show you as voting here.

[Voltaire]

I just looked through your recent posts, I don't see anything about Jimmmmm specifically.

Jimmmmm is almost 100% theory, btw.

[EFHW]

Vote Count 2.1  

ashersky (1): xeiron
yuma (2): sudgy, ashersky
Jimmmmm (1): yuma
pingpongsam (1): Voltaire

Not voting (6): A Drowned Kernel, faust, Jimmmmm, pingpongsam, Witherweaver, XerxesPraelor
 

Actually, I already Unvoted

? I don't show you as voting here.

nevermind, I can't read, blame ... hm, no baby.  They sure come in handy!

[yuma]

I just looked through your recent posts, I don't see anything about Jimmmmm specifically.

Jimmmmm is almost 100% theory, btw.

the one where I voted him! http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10757.msg383842#msg383842

I was hoping you (or someone else) might find something more, but a lack of anything substantial is worrisome enough.

[Voltaire]

Oh, for me that was two pages ago, sorry about that.

The post you quoted is, like, one of 3 non-theory posts he has.

I'd be A-OK with a Jimmmmm lynch, but not yet.

[Witherweaver]

I just looked through your recent posts, I don't see anything about Jimmmmm specifically.

Jimmmmm is almost 100% theory, btw.

the one where I voted him! http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10757.msg383842#msg383842

I was hoping you (or someone else) might find something more, but a lack of anything substantial is worrisome enough.

I didn't really see what was so scummy about that post. 

[pingpongsam]

I just looked through your recent posts, I don't see anything about Jimmmmm specifically.

Jimmmmm is almost 100% theory, btw.

the one where I voted him! http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10757.msg383842#msg383842

I was hoping you (or someone else) might find something more, but a lack of anything substantial is worrisome enough.

I didn't really see what was so scummy about that post.

The perspective of detached context.

[sudgy]

Unvote

I am going to compile all of the item results so far.  Good discussion has been happening, so please, nobody respond to this.

ash: Paper
WW: Paper
yuma: Nothing
Jim: Badge
PPS: Bandage
ADK: Paper
Voltaire: Magnifying Glass
faust: Magnifying Glass
xeiron: Badge
Xerxes: ? [side note: POST]
Archetype: ?

I will wait for Xerxes to say anything about this.

I would build a case on PPS right now, but I'm still not sure about the whole recent situation.

[XerxesPraelor]

Oh, I didn't send anything to anyone because I wasn't sure what the plan was. I still have 1 bandage and 2 papers.

[sudgy]

ash: Paper
WW: Paper
yuma: Nothing
Jim: Badge
PPS: Bandage
ADK: Paper
Voltaire: Magnifying Glass
faust: Magnifying Glass
xeiron: Badge
Xerxes: Nothing
Archetype: ?

I received all of these items, no more, no less.  Take from it what you will.

[faust]

ash: Paper
WW: Paper
yuma: Nothing
Jim: Badge
PPS: Bandage
ADK: Paper
Voltaire: Magnifying Glass
faust: Magnifying Glass
xeiron: Badge
Xerxes: Nothing
Archetype: ?

I received all of these items, no more, no less.  Take from it what you will.

So this means a couple of things.

A) Someone lied. I mean, at least one person. I think it is highly likely that Arch sent an item to sudgy. Sadly, we don't know what it was. This means a total of two players have not sent items to sudgy.

B) One mafia correctly guessed the item sent by Arch. Arch never claimed what items he had, right? (I should go look at that soon) Mafia I think, if they fake-claim item sendings, want to claim an item that many people have sent. So people who claimed late are more suspicious, and people who claimed items more players have (i.e. Paper) are more suspicious than people who claimed an uncommon item (i.e. Bandages).

C) Two players claimed nothing. One of them must be lying. (If we suppose Arch sent the item... okay, Arch reread in order) So we should definitely look at Xerxes/yuma.

[faust]

I'm not claiming my items, but definitally sending one to sudgy.

Why the scumread on me, Yuma?

Found it. So this confirms that exactly one out of yuma/Xerxes is scum.

Vote: Xerxes for now, with intent to reread yuma.

[ashersky]

Wait, doesn't it mean that someone lied about sending something?

I mean, sudgy says he received exactly 8 items, all of which were claimed by 8 people.  2 people claimed nothing.  One person is lying about sending something and got lucky regarding Archetype's item, right?

8 things out of 11 people, right?  We have 9 people claiming to have sent something (including Arch).  So one of the 8 alive are lying, if we believe honest town.

We can't confirm Arch actually sent, but seems safe to assume it.

I don't know why exactly one of the two nothings is lying.

[faust]

Wait, doesn't it mean that someone lied about sending something?

I mean, sudgy says he received exactly 8 items, all of which were claimed by 8 people.  2 people claimed nothing.  One person is lying about sending something and got lucky regarding Archetype's item, right?

8 things out of 11 people, right?  We have 9 people claiming to have sent something (including Arch).  So one of the 8 alive are lying, if we believe honest town.

We can't confirm Arch actually sent, but seems safe to assume it.

I don't know why exactly one of the two nothings is lying.

You're right, I've been getting too exicted. But for both nothings to be telling the truth, that would mean mafia sent two items. DO we think they did that?

[faust]

I guess sending one item would be okay for scum, they spread some confusion and prevent one group from becoming confirmed town. Two items though... I just don't see how that would do much for them.

[XerxesPraelor]

Wait, doesn't it mean that someone lied about sending something?

I mean, sudgy says he received exactly 8 items, all of which were claimed by 8 people.  2 people claimed nothing.  One person is lying about sending something and got lucky regarding Archetype's item, right?

8 things out of 11 people, right?  We have 9 people claiming to have sent something (including Arch).  So one of the 8 alive are lying, if we believe honest town.

We can't confirm Arch actually sent, but seems safe to assume it.

I don't know why exactly one of the two nothings is lying.

You're right, I've been getting too exicted. But for both nothings to be telling the truth, that would mean mafia sent two items. DO we think they did that?

But if I or Yuma were scum and lied (town doesn't lie, especially about this sort of thing) that would mean that every single member of the Mafia lied about what they did or didn't send and Mafia sent two items, which you say is Unlikely. That should seem ridiculous. If scum wanted to send two items, why wouldn't they have the People who sent them tell the truth? And if yuma or I were scum and lied, then that would mean a townie lied about what they sent, which seems even more unlikely. I know I didn't lie, and I'm pretty sure yuma didn't either (his motivations look completely consistant with what he said).

Keep in mind that Archetype may have just forgot to send an item, even though he was planning to.

[pingpongsam]

I took from the question mark that Archetype sent an item and Sudgy is not revealing what it is because it serves no purpose since Archetype is dead and confirmed town. I am not sure why anyone interprets it as Archetype having not sent anything at all.

[faust]

I took from the question mark that Archetype sent an item and Sudgy is not revealing what it is because it serves no purpose since Archetype is dead and confirmed town. I am not sure why anyone interprets it as Archetype having not sent anything at all.

sudgy doesn't know where the items he gets come from, so he doesn't know whether Archetype sent him an item. Evidence suggests that he did though.

[faust]

Wait, doesn't it mean that someone lied about sending something?

I mean, sudgy says he received exactly 8 items, all of which were claimed by 8 people.  2 people claimed nothing.  One person is lying about sending something and got lucky regarding Archetype's item, right?

8 things out of 11 people, right?  We have 9 people claiming to have sent something (including Arch).  So one of the 8 alive are lying, if we believe honest town.

We can't confirm Arch actually sent, but seems safe to assume it.

I don't know why exactly one of the two nothings is lying.

You're right, I've been getting too exicted. But for both nothings to be telling the truth, that would mean mafia sent two items. DO we think they did that?

But if I or Yuma were scum and lied (town doesn't lie, especially about this sort of thing) that would mean that every single member of the Mafia lied about what they did or didn't send and Mafia sent two items, which you say is Unlikely. That should seem ridiculous. If scum wanted to send two items, why wouldn't they have the People who sent them tell the truth? And if yuma or I were scum and lied, then that would mean a townie lied about what they sent, which seems even more unlikely. I know I didn't lie, and I'm pretty sure yuma didn't either (his motivations look completely consistant with what he said).

Keep in mind that Archetype may have just forgot to send an item, even though he was planning to.

I don't get your argument here, like at all. Why would you or yuma being scum imply that all scum lied?

[pingpongsam]

I took from the question mark that Archetype sent an item and Sudgy is not revealing what it is because it serves no purpose since Archetype is dead and confirmed town. I am not sure why anyone interprets it as Archetype having not sent anything at all.

sudgy doesn't know where the items he gets come from, so he doesn't know whether Archetype sent him an item. Evidence suggests that he did though.

Okay, so does the question mark actually mean 3 nothings were sent?

[XerxesPraelor]

Wait, doesn't it mean that someone lied about sending something?

I mean, sudgy says he received exactly 8 items, all of which were claimed by 8 people.  2 people claimed nothing.  One person is lying about sending something and got lucky regarding Archetype's item, right?

8 things out of 11 people, right?  We have 9 people claiming to have sent something (including Arch).  So one of the 8 alive are lying, if we believe honest town.

We can't confirm Arch actually sent, but seems safe to assume it.

I don't know why exactly one of the two nothings is lying.

You're right, I've been getting too exicted. But for both nothings to be telling the truth, that would mean mafia sent two items. DO we think they did that?

But if I or Yuma were scum and lied (town doesn't lie, especially about this sort of thing) that would mean that every single member of the Mafia lied about what they did or didn't send and Mafia sent two items, which you say is Unlikely. That should seem ridiculous. If scum wanted to send two items, why wouldn't they have the People who sent them tell the truth? And if yuma or I were scum and lied, then that would mean a townie lied about what they sent, which seems even more unlikely. I know I didn't lie, and I'm pretty sure yuma didn't either (his motivations look completely consistant with what he said).

Keep in mind that Archetype may have just forgot to send an item, even though he was planning to.

I don't get your argument here, like at all. Why would you or yuma being scum imply that all scum lied?

Because three people didn't send anything. If I lied, than that means two people who claimed to have sent something didn't send anything, and town doesn't lie about this sort of thing.

[XerxesPraelor]

I took from the question mark that Archetype sent an item and Sudgy is not revealing what it is because it serves no purpose since Archetype is dead and confirmed town. I am not sure why anyone interprets it as Archetype having not sent anything at all.

sudgy doesn't know where the items he gets come from, so he doesn't know whether Archetype sent him an item. Evidence suggests that he did though.

Okay, so does the question mark actually mean 3 nothings were sent?

As far as I can tell, it does.

[Witherweaver]

What's going on here?  Why are people simultaneously saying Archetype sent an item and then proceeding as if he didn't?

If Archetype did not send an item, then there is probably no lying going on.

If Archetype did send an item (which is the most likely case; he said he was going to and he was town), then there is at least one scum in those that claimed to send items. 

Cases:

1 claimed to send, 2 did not.  In this case, both Xerxes and Yuma are scum.

2 claimed to send, 1 did not.  In this case, one of Xerxes and Yuma are scum.

3 claimed to send, 0 did not.  In this case, both Xerxes and Yuma are town. 

I believe this is what Faust was saying.  In the third case, two scum must have sent items to Sudgy (one lied and picked the one Archetype happened to send).  In the second case, one is lying and one sent truthfully.  In the first case, no scum sent items to Sudgy and one lied.

Did I oversimplify something or is this correct?

[faust]

Because three people didn't send anything. If I lied, than that means two people who claimed to have sent something didn't send anything, and town doesn't lie about this sort of thing.

Yeah, so it's sum who lied. So what?