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[Jimmmmm]

I'm actually leaning toward voting for either Robz or mcmc. But in order for yuma not to be scum, there needs to be a Roleblocker.

It can't really be mcmc if he didn't target anyone Night 1.
It probably isn't Robz because his Tracker claim would be way too risky unless he was on mcmc's team.
Can't be lio if he's confirmed Town.
Can't be ash since he's the Cop.

Which leaves me. And I know I'm not a Roleblocker, even if no one else does. So as far as I can see, yuma can't've been Roleblocked/Jailkept, which brings me back to thinking that yuma is scum for not LRing. But it's still a strange and risky claim if he's scum.

[Jimmmmm]

UNLESS Robz Roleblocked mcmc Night 1.

[Jimmmmm]

What's usually the result if someone Tracks someone who tried to target someone but was Roleblocked?

[liopoil]

Jimmmmm, Yuma could be scum that lied about using LR.

[yuma]

Yuma there are only six of us. We are at Mylo, unless there are two teams, or only 4 scum.

I am sorry... I was looking at the final lynch count from day5... but yes we are at 6. that changes things...

[yuma]

I'm actually leaning toward voting for either Robz or mcmc. But in order for yuma not to be scum, there needs to be a Roleblocker.

It can't really be mcmc if he didn't target anyone Night 1.
It probably isn't Robz because his Tracker claim would be way too risky unless he was on mcmc's team.
Can't be lio if he's confirmed Town.
Can't be ash since he's the Cop.

Which leaves me. And I know I'm not a Roleblocker, even if no one else does. So as far as I can see, yuma can't've been Roleblocked/Jailkept, which brings me back to thinking that yuma is scum for not LRing. But it's still a strange and risky claim if he's scum.

If I had to wager a guess I would guess that any roleblocker/JK would be a 1-shot just like the other powers in this game have been. so that does nothing for mcmc...

Honestly if I had to guess anyone for this it would be Jimmmmm. But unfortunately he has the perfect claim that makes him unlynchable.

[mcmcsalot]

If we are at mylo, lynching jim is no worse than lynching anyone else.

[Robz888]

I mostly don't believe Yuma, because I don't expect there is another roleblocker. Here are all the options were that to be so:

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Roleblocker
Verdict: Doubtful. These are just weird teams. They are like the same except the Maquis are really a little better off. Like, why give the teams each a roleblocker but then not the same other role? It's just weird.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Roleblocker + X
Verdict: Even more doubtful. MUs are really, really a lot better.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker +
MU: Rolecop + Roleblocker
Verdict: Now the Maquis look too strong, and we have a missing kill from last night.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker +
MU: Rolecop + Roleblocker +
Verdict: Now we have a missing kill and like there are 3 scum among me/Jimm/mcmc/ashersky/yuma. Scary!

I just can't imagine having two roleblockers.

Now, maybe a Jailkeeper. But Jailkeeper just makes those teams look even MORE imbalanced.

So I expect the simple explanation is the best: Yuma is lying.

[yuma]

Now, maybe a Jailkeeper. But Jailkeeper just makes those teams look even MORE imbalanced.

So I expect the simple explanation is the best: Yuma is lying.

I understand why you would think that. Like I said I would think the same way if I were in your shoes. But let's at least look at the the teams with JK instead of Roleblocker...

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + JK

Maybe. MU seems a bit more powered here, but not by much.


Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Jailkeeper + X

I agree here, unbalanced and unlikely...


Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop + Jailkeeper

This one depends on what the X is... and yes we are missing a kill? Did we ever find out if Jimmmm in fact used his doc power on theorel (or someone else) and stopped one shot from happening, but not both?


Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop + Jailkeeper + X

This one I hope is not true, but could be depending on what X is.... and same situation with the night kills.


And isn't this possible as well?

Marquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + Jailkeeper
MU: Rolecop + X + X

This one is unlikely as well, but still possible?

But what about with just any other power role? Say 1-shot tracker, what does that look like?

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Tracker

Seems about as likely good as the JK scenario

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Tracker + X

MU appears to have more power here.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop + Tracker

Depending on the power of X again... but similar.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop  + Tracker + X

Similar to above again

Marquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + Tracker
MU: Rolecop + X + X

Similar to above once again....

I think putting any role into the above would result in something similar.... I think?

[Robz888]

This one depends on what the X is... and yes we are missing a kill? Did we ever find out if Jimmmm in fact used his doc power on theorel (or someone else) and stopped one shot from happening, but not both?

He isn't saying. And I assume he won't, unless ashersky and liopoil press him to. (Well, I guess liopoil is actually the only IC.)

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop + Jailkeeper + X
But what about with just any other power role? Say 1-shot tracker, what does that look like?

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Tracker

Seems about as likely good as the JK scenario

Sure, that would be balanced. It's just not possible. The only roleblocker in the above scenario was dead before the night of your roleblocking, remember? So this setup would fail to offer a plausible scenario for how your LR didn't work. In the above scenario, you are a liar.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Tracker + X

MU appears to have more power here.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop + Tracker

Depending on the power of X again... but similar.

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop  + Tracker + X

Similar to above again

Marquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + Tracker
MU: Rolecop + X + X

Similar to above once again....

I think putting any role into the above would result in something similar.... I think?

The rest of those don't make too much sense to me.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm actually leaning toward voting for either Robz or mcmc. But in order for yuma not to be scum, there needs to be a Roleblocker.

It can't really be mcmc if he didn't target anyone Night 1.
It probably isn't Robz because his Tracker claim would be way too risky unless he was on mcmc's team.
Can't be lio if he's confirmed Town.
Can't be ash since he's the Cop.

Which leaves me. And I know I'm not a Roleblocker, even if no one else does. So as far as I can see, yuma can't've been Roleblocked/Jailkept, which brings me back to thinking that yuma is scum for not LRing. But it's still a strange and risky claim if he's scum.

If I had to wager a guess I would guess that any roleblocker/JK would be a 1-shot just like the other powers in this game have been. so that does nothing for mcmc...

Honestly if I had to guess anyone for this it would be Jimmmmm. But unfortunately he has the perfect claim that makes him unlynchable.

Yeah that could be true, but Galz' wasn't 1-shot, but you're right that there's no reason to assume mcmc isn't 1-shot Roleblocker/JK.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, Yuma could be scum that lied about using LR.

Well that's the obvious conclusion and the one that we have to come to if it doesn't make sense for anyone else to have Roleblocked him. My problem with this is that it's super weird for scum to claim LR and offer to use it.

[Jimmmmm]

I doubt we have two Roleblockers, so what we're talking about here would most likely be a Jailkeeper. Sure, it could be only 1-shot, in which case it could be mcmc. Otherwise, it's either Robz, or yuma's lying.

From my point of view, assuming we have two scum left, it would seem that the most likely scenario is that one of Robz and yuma is scum, and the other is mcmc. Based on this, I propose lynching mcmc. I had a scum read on him for most of the game until Robz' Tracker thing, but that seems less relevant now.

In fact, Vote: mcmc. I'd like to hear what lio and ash think.

[Jimmmmm]

Yuma had a brain implant which let him be able to bear lots of pain. The implant broke and was removed later. seems like this could represent the lightning rod...

Flavor doesn't relate to role I don't think. That's what Jo said at least. Right?

I know you acknowledged mis-remembering, but as far as I know each role has a flavourful reason for doing what it does. If I'm lynched, the Bajorans on the station spend the next day doing some sort of mourning ritual. The neighbourhood was because they are all the same species or something. Dsell was 1-shot Deathproof because of some weird symbiote thing. What flavourful reason was given to you for being a 1-shot Tracker?

[Robz888]

Yuma had a brain implant which let him be able to bear lots of pain. The implant broke and was removed later. seems like this could represent the lightning rod...

Flavor doesn't relate to role I don't think. That's what Jo said at least. Right?

I know you acknowledged mis-remembering, but as far as I know each role has a flavourful reason for doing what it does. If I'm lynched, the Bajorans on the station spend the next day doing some sort of mourning ritual. The neighbourhood was because they are all the same species or something. Dsell was 1-shot Deathproof because of some weird symbiote thing. What flavourful reason was given to you for being a 1-shot Tracker?

Uh, I'm a ship captain or something. I think I run reconnaissance missions.

[Jimmmmm]

Uh, I'm a ship captain or something. I think I run reconnaissance missions.

Missions or mission?

[Jimmmmm]

Yuma had a brain implant which let him be able to bear lots of pain. The implant broke and was removed later. seems like this could represent the lightning rod...

Flavor doesn't relate to role I don't think. That's what Jo said at least. Right?

I know you acknowledged mis-remembering, but as far as I know each role has a flavourful reason for doing what it does. If I'm lynched, the Bajorans on the station spend the next day doing some sort of mourning ritual. The neighbourhood was because they are all the same species or something. Dsell was 1-shot Deathproof because of some weird symbiote thing. What flavourful reason was given to you for being a 1-shot Tracker?

Actually I'd like everyone to answer this question.

[Robz888]

Uh, I'm a ship captain or something. I think I run reconnaissance missions.

Missions or mission?

... Multiple missions. Kassidy is a ship captain who appeared frequently.

[Robz888]

I think this is the least worthwhile line of questioning we have at our disposals. We are all sci fi characters appearing in a multi-year TV show. I'm pretty sure you could justify a wide range of powers that would still keep within the theme of any given character.

[Robz888]

Meanwhile, we have compiled like a bunch of investigations, suspicions, night actions, etc. That's the important stuff.

[ashersky]

Scum JK sounds unlikely.

I still think Yuma lied.

If I die tonight and the game continues, I say Jimmmmm is lying.

[Robz888]

Scum JK sounds unlikely.

I still think Yuma lied.

If I die tonight and the game continues, I say Jimmmmm is lying.

I agree. It looks like you have to convince the IC you created, though.

Vote: Yuma

[ashersky]

For jimmmmm: I am worf.  Self explanatory there for being a cop.

[yuma]

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker + X
MU: Rolecop + Jailkeeper + X
But what about with just any other power role? Say 1-shot tracker, what does that look like?

Maquis: Neighbor + Roleblocker
MU: Rolecop + Tracker

Seems about as likely good as the JK scenario

Sure, that would be balanced. It's just not possible. The only roleblocker in the above scenario was dead before the night of your roleblocking, remember? So this setup would fail to offer a plausible scenario for how your LR didn't work. In the above scenario, you are a liar.

that is a good point, but it isn't really the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make was that if you slipped in just about any other role into the "roleblocker/JK" spot, you get similar looking potential scum teams in regard to balance.

Mostly what I am getting at is that you think my claim unlikely because it doesn't fit with any of the potential scum set scenarios that exist. However, I say that if you put just about any other role instead into those scum sets that they are about just as implausible.

If you think I am scum, what role do you think I am? scum!yuma would have to fit in somewhere and it would probably make things a little, or a lot, imbalanced just like putting in JK or RB did into the scenarios above.

At this point I am willing to vote for Jimmmmm, mcmc, or Robz. but it appears that I am the most likely candidate for a lynch.

[mcmcsalot]

Okay the thing that makes me think Yuma is lying is regardless of balance why would a one-shot jailkeeper decide to use that shot on the LR which in effect makes sure someone not on there scum team does, and blocks all investigations. Then wouldn't you save jailkeep for jimm's possible doc.