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[Robz888]

Are we all going to feel dumb if Morgrim flips Tracker?

We will know we were living in a universe where our Tracker was never going to help us.

[Robz888]

Are we all going to feel dumb if Morgrim flips Tracker?

We will know we were living in a universe where our Tracker was never going to help us.

Fixed above, ignore last post.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

What the hell Morgrim.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm not sure what I think about all this. I prefer the Morgrim lynch to the Jorbles lynch if it came to that. But it's all just so bizarre.

My gut feeling is still that Morgrim is still more likely to flip town. If we let him live, he'll have to produce results of some kind, and it may be possible to catch him in his own potential web of lies. Either that or he'll just get shot. I don't know if it's worth risking lynching a PR Day 1, as absurd as these circumstances are.

I can certainly understand the frustration that I am seeing from some of you though.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.14

ashersky (2): Voltaire, Walrus
Jorbles (1): manda
manda (2): Jimmmmm, 2.7
Morgrim (5): Robz, mcmc, teproc, ashersky, Jorbles (L-2)

Not Voting (2): faust, Morgrim

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day1 will end in ~2 days on December 4 at 10 pm forum time

[ashersky]

We've got just around 50 hours total IRL to deadline.  Just noting that.

[ashersky]

Popsquiz time.  I'd ask that everyone do it, given the deadline time constraints:

Lynch!  Walrus, Morgrim
Would lynch: manda, mcmc, Jorbles
Won't lynch: Robz, 2.7, Jimmmm, Voltaire, Teproc, faust

[Robz888]

Lynch! Morgrim
Would lynch: Jorbles, Jimm, mcmcsalot
Would watch be lynched: manda, Teproc, Walrus, ashersky, Voltaire
Won't lynch: 2.7, faust

[Jimmmmm]

Would lynch: mcmcsalot, Jorbles, manda
Would be okay lynching: Walrus, Teproc
Keeping an eye on for a later Day: Robz, ashersky
Won't lynch: e
Want to lynch in spite of probably being Town: Morgrim

[Jorbles]

Preferred lynches: Morgrim, ashersky
Would be okay with lynching: Robz, mcmc, Jimmmm, Walrus, manda
Would not lynch, but would watch it happen: Voltaire, Teproc
Won't lynch (yet): 2.7
Won't lynch. Period.: faust

[2.71828.....]

Preferred lynch: ashersky, manda
Would be ok lynching: robz, jorbles, mcmc, morgrim
Wouldn't shed a tear over lynching: jimmmm, walrus, teproc, voltaire
No lynch: Faust, 2.7

[yuma]

As a reminder, I am starting in on my on-week at work meaning that I won't be around as much to provide vote counts/flips for the next week. Both Twistedarcher and I will do vote counts when we are available but they may be more sporadic than you have been used to thus far. I strongly encourage individually and collectively monitoring the votes during the hours that we are less available. Only counts from Twistedarcher or myself are considered official counts.

[ashersky]

As a reminder, I am starting in on my on-week at work meaning that I won't be around as much to provide vote counts/flips for the next week. Both Twistedarcher and I will do vote counts when we are available but they may be more sporadic than you have been used to thus far. I strongly encourage individually and collectively monitoring the votes during the hours that we are less available. Only counts from Twistedarcher or myself are considered official counts.

Jimmmmm, time to vote Morgrim.

[Jimmmmm]

As a reminder, I am starting in on my on-week at work meaning that I won't be around as much to provide vote counts/flips for the next week. Both Twistedarcher and I will do vote counts when we are available but they may be more sporadic than you have been used to thus far. I strongly encourage individually and collectively monitoring the votes during the hours that we are less available. Only counts from Twistedarcher or myself are considered official counts.

Jimmmmm, time to vote Morgrim.

If Morgrim is really to be Today's lynch I will vote for him before deadline if necessary. But we definitely want faust to weigh in before then. We still have TA to provide the flip if necessary.

[ashersky]

Good point on Faust.

Come on man!

[2.71828.....]

And manda. Everyone is forgetting manda.

[ashersky]

And manda. Everyone is forgetting manda.

Perhaps that's her nefarious plan.

[Teproc]

Lynch ! Morgrim
Would lynch : Robz, manda, mcmcsalot
Would watch be lynched: ashersky, Jimmmmm, Jorbles
Won't lynch : Walrus, Voltaire, 2.7

[faust]

Well, this is insane.

I can only jugde Morgrim from one game, and it isn't over yet, so I can't really share my thoughts. It is definitely possible that he is town in this situation, is all I can say. But this just screams to be lynched. I explicitly stated that the third PR should NOT claim right away, and Morgrim has not listened to that (without arguing against it), which is scummy in itself.

How much use will a Tracker be? Not much. Likely, if Morgrim is telling the truth, all our PRs are outed (we might have one more). This means he has to target the one scum that performs the night kill to be useful, and live through the night. Then still, there's lots of WFIOM because Morgrim could still be scum.

The information whether Morgrim is telling the truth might be more useful for us than his Tracker ability.

I am willing to lynch Morgrim today, but I'm not voting yet, because I'm afraid of the well-known Morgrim self-hammer, and I want everyone's opinion (manda!) on this before we enter the night.

[faust]

Someone cop me and I'll prove it to you.

Well, if Morgrim is scum, he's not a Goon.

That is not quite right. He could be scum that knows we only have two PRs, and they are both outed.

[faust]

To avoid ambiguity, let me quote:

Okay, so we'll need a soft deadline. Here's the thing: As the IC, I'd like to be around for the soft deadline, but you know, this is sort of complicated with me living in Europe and all. I propose Tuesday, December 3, 2 pm forum time.

So since we are in the business of throwing out random accusations, FoS to everyone who didn't remember the soft deadline, or the real one.

I knew there was a soft deadline someone set, but I'm not subscribing to it. Let's use the time we have!

I take it you don't care whether the IC is around for the deadline?

[faust]

Popsquiz time.  I'd ask that everyone do it, given the deadline time constraints:

Lynch!  Walrus, Morgrim
Would lynch: manda, mcmc, Jorbles
Won't lynch: Robz, 2.7, Jimmmm, Voltaire, Teproc, faust

Also, everyone answer this.

[faust]

New idea.

Morgrim, if you are the Tracker, target 2.7 tonight. 2.7, target someone. Tomorrow, we can verify if Morgrim really is the Tracker. Problem solved.

So everyone, we are not lynching Morgrim today!

Also Morgrim, if you do not listen to this, prepare to be lynched tomorrow.

[faust]

This plan is neat especially because it confirms both claimed PRs. It will only fail if both e and Morgrim are scum, and I don't think that's likely to happen.

[Teproc]

Let's see. The question is how has to speak first.

1) Morgrim speaks first :

1a) Morgrim is scum and 2.7 is town : Morgrim guesses a target, 2.7 outs him if he's wrong. Note that Morgrim could be lucky. The question is what is the obvious target for 2.7 ? I don't want to discuss that too much, but I do believe this plan somewhat reduces the Bodyguard's potency in night 1.

1b) Morgrim is town and 2.7 is scum : This is the ideal situation I think. Morgrim can out 2.7 if he targeted no one, or if he targeted the night kill. Well, not really out because strrongman kill can exist. 2.7 could also be a Rolecop. If that's the case, he can also frame Morgrim by saying the result is false.

1c) Morgrim is town and 2.7 is town : That's pretty easy, but I don't think we can actually clear them because of the way the other scenarios play out.

1d) Morgrim is scum and 2.7 is scum : They can do pretty much whatever they want.


2) 2.7 speaks first :

2a) 2.7 is scum and Morgrim is town. If he's Rolecop he's fine. Even if he's not he might be JOAT and perform a strongman kill. That requires a lot of things though, so I guess that situation is pretty good because we can clear/out 2.7 probably.

2b) 2.7 is town and Morgrim is scum. Then we learn nothing, since 2.7 speaks first and Morgrim confirms.

2c) 2.7 is town and Morgrim is town.  Again, the other scenarios make it pretty hard to clear them. Like, let's say 2.7 targeted me and I didn't die, then Morgrim confirms this. We could still be in 2a, 2b or 2d.

2d) 2.7 is scum and Morgrim is scum. We learn noting

I might be wrong here, but I don't think this is a good plan at all. Morgrim speaking first seems better, but even then I don't think we can get anything conclusive about it. Have to think about it more though.

[faust]

I'm thinking about a nice plan where I have them name sets of three people which include the target or something... I believe we can work something out that actually works. And anyway, the most likely cases are e is town, Morgrim is scum, or both are town. So it will pretty much have to be Morgrim who speaks first.