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[O]

I've gotta say the igauna / Space wagons are neatly fitting with my reads. Of course at least 1 townie is voting for iguana by now.

scumslip?

like, full on legitimate scumslip.

[faust]

I've gotta say the igauna / Space wagons are neatly fitting with my reads. Of course at least 1 townie is voting for iguana by now.

scumslip?

like, full on legitimate scumslip.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle

[faust]

Ah, uh, of course iguana = Space. One gets confused. Statement is  true either way.

[sudgy]

#636 looks a bit bad, because of how she's trying to pull Calamitas out of lurking.  I know it's been mentioned before and she has a reason for it, but it does still look bad.

In #1089, she does the same thing.  It feels a bit forced even.

In #1103, she's thinking about how the mafia would play a lot.

She does it again in #1283.

...Wow.  Not much for ages.  Maybe I'm just tired.  Anyway, in #3549, she makes a really good case on ashersky.  I would say this is towny but ash was already going down in flames, so I would say this is null.


Okay, so my read on Space has totally changed.  Most of what she did doesn't really implicate anything, and the few things I could find seem to point towards scum.  Even though I want to believe she's town, my mind is telling me she isn't.  I'll reread iguana before making any real decisions.  However, I have something else to do now.

To be clear up front, I haven't had time to reread either yet, but now I have sudgy (who I have been gut scum-reading most of the game) flipping his read on Space as it looks like iguana is moving towards a lynch.  Partner tell if iguana flips scum.

Do you really think that scum would be that stupid?

[Awaclus]

Do you really think that scum would be that stupid?

If this defense worked, it wouldn't be a stupid move.

[faust]

It's not stupid. Scum need the mislynch here if they want to have a realistic shot at winning. It may be executed poorly.

[O]

I've gotta say the igauna / Space wagons are neatly fitting with my reads. Of course at least 1 townie is voting for iguana by now.

scumslip?

like, full on legitimate scumslip.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle

I'm well aware of the concept. It doesn't mean you sentence makes any sense from a "faust is town" perspective, and it's an exceedingly useless one from a general scumhunting standpoint.

[O]

Ah, uh, of course iguana = Space. One gets confused. Statement is  true either way.

There we go. Can acknowledge the mistake without pretending people who disagree with you don't know math.

[O]

Do you really think that scum would be that stupid?

If this defense worked, it wouldn't be a stupid move.

If this attack worked, it would be a stupid move.

How do you like your wine?

[faust]

Ah, uh, of course iguana = Space. One gets confused. Statement is  true either way.

There we go. Can acknowledge the mistake without pretending people who disagree with you don't know math.

Sorry I didn't realize right away that we weren't actually talking about Space.

[faust]

Ironically we will actually get more information here if we mislynch.

[Awaclus]

If this attack worked, it would be a stupid move.

Exactly and that's why it's going to be a stupid move. But it could have been not stupid.

[O]

If this attack worked, it would be a stupid move.

Exactly and that's why it's going to be a stupid move. But it could have been not stupid.

We'll see. I do agree that Sudgy is conditionally scummy, I just doubt the condition will be fulfilled.

[sudgy]

Iguana reread.

Early on he's saying ash is scummy.  Interesting when nothing much had happened yet.  For some reason, I just can't believe that scum would connect themselves that much to their partner that early.

In #1501 he says that he was not paying attention to Calamitas.  It could be a lie, but I can't really see that.  Scum would not be "not paying attention" to their partner.

#1778 has a reads list, and ash is in a scummy place.  He basically says not to lynch him for basically no reason.

For a while he's had a scumread on Galzria.  Iguana, do you still have this scumread?  (Reading later, you do, so I guess you don't need to answer this)

In #2136 he also likes the signup order plan, which I find a bit scummy given that ash suggested it.

In #3569 he brings ash to L-1.  Interesting.

Except instead of his real fake reads, which he purposefully obfuscated, you are using his trollpost about lynching on signup order.

Yet you liked the idea yourself.


Man.  This is hard.  Iguana looks good at first, but gets scummy later.  I think I like Space more, but iguana, could you reply to all of my scummy things I mentioned here?

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana reread.

Early on he's saying ash is scummy.  Interesting when nothing much had happened yet.  For some reason, I just can't believe that scum would connect themselves that much to their partner that early.

In #1501 he says that he was not paying attention to Calamitas.  It could be a lie, but I can't really see that.  Scum would not be "not paying attention" to their partner.

#1778 has a reads list, and ash is in a scummy place.  He basically says not to lynch him for basically no reason.

For a while he's had a scumread on Galzria.  Iguana, do you still have this scumread?  (Reading later, you do, so I guess you don't need to answer this)

In #2136 he also likes the signup order plan, which I find a bit scummy given that ash suggested it.

In #3569 he brings ash to L-1.  Interesting.

Except instead of his real fake reads, which he purposefully obfuscated, you are using his trollpost about lynching on signup order.

Yet you liked the idea yourself.


Man.  This is hard.  Iguana looks good at first, but gets scummy later.  I think I like Space more, but iguana, could you reply to all of my scummy things I mentioned here?

I said the plan was coincidentally good because it would mean lynching Galzria first and at that point I thought that was our best lynch for that day.

It was a sarcastic comment because obviously the signup order plan was really bad but I was conceding that if it led us all to lynch Galzria, that would be a good thing.

I think Galzria arguing that he is townie because of signup order is equally awful to Ash proposing we lynch on signup order.

Basically, everything is terrible.

[sudgy]

Alright, Vote: Space.  L-2, I think.

[iguanaiguana]

As for 1778, that post says more about me as a human than my alignment.

I really like Ashersky as a mafia player and was pretty disheartened about a year ago when he said he was going into semi retirement. He stated at that time that he went into retirement because he was getting lynched too frequently as town and scum and his playstyle was not appreciated. Obviously I was also pleased when I returned from my own hiatus to see that he has been playing again.

Therefore I try to counteract the bias against him by giving Ash the benefit of the doubt when I can. I challenge you to find something truly scummy that Ash did before 1778. I didn't see anything worth voting him over. So that's why I didn't want to vote him at that time.

Later, when I felt confident he was scum, I voted him.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 5.3

iguanaiguana (4): faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (4): iguanaiguana, LaLight, O, sudgy
O (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (2): Galzria, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 5 ends Monday, June 19, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[Awaclus]

Vote: ii

[iguanaiguana]

Guess I shouldn't have admitted to being a human with Awaclus in the game.

[Galzria]

I think Galzria arguing that he is townie because of signup order is equally awful to Ash proposing we lynch on signup order.

Except I've never argued that. I don't need to. I know that I am town, and I know I'm not getting lynched.

I've argued that Faust and LaLight are townier in my eyes because of the proposal, combined with Ash's multi-day WIFOM play trying to get the top of the list lynched.

What you're arguing, in fact, is that on d2 and d3 Ash was trying to lynch me, his partner, above all else (Followed by Faust and LaLight) - conveniently the three people that he named as his partners in his self voting hammer.

The story just doesn't make sense. And sure, you thought I was scum then so you supported it - fine. But then Ash flipped scum. And you've taken nothing regarding his play into consideration. It's like you want to pretend his flipping scum doesn't impact anything. When in fact it impacts everything he's said for the entire game.

Sorry. If you're town we can afford the mislynch today. We'll lynch Space tomorrow. If you're scum, then I don't feel bad at all about vote: .

That's L-1...

PPE: L-1 cast.

[Awaclus]

Guess I shouldn't have admitted to being a human

I can understand that it feels shameful to be a human, but it's all right to admit it; we're all humans here.

(Wandering Winder, to be specific.)

[Galzria]

Intent to hammer by 7:00pm forum time.

I have a little spare time and can wait.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Iguana

Scum has been too weak willed this game. Mcmcsalot's mighty plan never precluded anything, as everyone can see now. He's dead, and scum has gotten the hammer three days in a row.

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner, you're my bro. You can always read me correctly, but some day I'm gunna take advantage of that. I hope my partners kill you tonight so that we can talk in the speccy.