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[ashersky]

I would also like to note that the two people who are currently also possible to lynch, mail-mi and sudgy, are both voting for robz.  If they are scum, I would bet robz is not.  I don't realy know if this has any bearing on things though...

These are the types of things we'll get to analyze in depth on D2.

[ashersky]

Also, if someone wants to vote for Robz, but not be the hammer, state that intent too.

[Eevee]

ashersky, do you really think this is scum Robz? You've been around long enough!

[AHoppy]

So I kinda just skimmed, I haven't been able to get back to this for a while and a lot has been discussed.  I feel like I have not been participating much because I only want to participate if I'm going to have anything substantial to say, and with all the mud throwing that has been going around with very very little data, I haven't had anything I felt would be valuable to say.  So I haven't.  I think I'm going to go back to vote: Mai-mi since I don't see a better case against someone else.  I'm not sure i can vote robz, because I have no idea what to think about him.  His strange behavior comes off a little more towny to me, but really, I don't know how to read people yet, this being my first game.  And being D1...

I know it's your first game, but I think you'll find that the bolded bit there is basically every D1 in every game.  There's not much "data" available in these games, especially when the set-ups are closed.  If I run a C9++ game again, you'll love the data/set-up/theory talk available in those types of open set-ups.  But in these, we're looking at behaviors and trying to glean something from them.

I understand that that's how D1 goes, which is why I will probably be more useful and participatory later (I sure hope that's a word). 

nkirbit: no, I can't support the robz lynch.  It doesn't feel strong enough for me

[liopoil]

Eevee, if you don't like the robz lynch, join the sudgy one! I think it has a better chance of going through than the mail-mi one. Also, I will hammer robz if it gets to the point where if I don't you will lynch mail-mi instead.

[nkirbit]

Okay, fair enough ahoppy.  You had just said "I'm not sure if I can vote Robz", which I wasn't entirely sure how to interpret.

[yuma]

Vote: mail-mi

If sudgy, Robz and yuma joined me, it would be L-2. We'd need mcmc (your liopoil vote not so hot at the moment!) and someone from the wagon to make it happen. I think still doable.

Yuma, you've played with Robz a bunch. This isn't scum Robz. Scum Robz isn't this easy to nail day 1. You know that.

I don't that is the whole problem. I understand what you are saying meta wise. But like I said elsewhere Robz as scum has tricked me too many times with his ever changing meta. I decided when I came into this game that I would have to just analyze him for what he does and he has had scummy behavior... even you said so yourself. I feel good about my vote.

[ashersky]

ashersky, do you really think this is scum Robz? You've been around long enough!

Like I said, heart says no, head (and feet) say yes.

How dumb have we all felt in the past when fooled by Robz.  I'm thinking especially of the Blitz game I didn't play that Robz super supported his partner and no one believed he would do it.

[Eevee]

Eevee, if you don't like the robz lynch, join the sudgy one! I think it has a better chance of going through than the mail-mi one. Also, I will hammer robz if it gets to the point where if I don't you will lynch mail-mi instead.

Because I realized I've suspected sudgy when he was town before and not suspected him when he was scum, so this play actually matches him being town narrative better.

Also the mail-mi wagon has more support at the moment. I'm kind of disappointed for the old-timers for voting Robz here, I very strongly feel this is going to be another classic town Robz mislynch moment.

Yuma, I get what you are saying although I think it's a bit exaggarated in my opinion. Just consider this: None of his everchanging scum personas have ever been lynched day 1. He has been the day 1 lynch as town like 5 times.

[Eevee]

ashersky, do you really think this is scum Robz? You've been around long enough!

Like I said, heart says no, head (and feet) say yes.

How dumb have we all felt in the past when fooled by Robz.  I'm thinking especially of the Blitz game I didn't play that Robz super supported his partner and no one believed he would do it.

Scum Robz never gets to L-1 day 1. Never.

[Eevee]

ashersky, do you really think this is scum Robz? You've been around long enough!

Like I said, heart says no, head (and feet) say yes.

How dumb have we all felt in the past when fooled by Robz.  I'm thinking especially of the Blitz game I didn't play that Robz super supported his partner and no one believed he would do it.

Scum Robz never gets to L-1 day 1. Never.

If he was to, it wouldn't be a weak performance like this.

Seriously people, I know the dude. This is not how he plays scum. You should have heard him analyze DS9 in person.. I couldn't even offer any replies ever, as I was in the dead player QT, yet he could talk about it until he ran out of breath. He doesn't die day 1 like this as scum, no way.

[liopoil]

If we never lynch robz D1 because scum!robz never gets lynched D1 then scum!robz will never be lynched D1.

[sudgy]

There is a first time for everything...  (Although I do like the mail-mi lynch more)

[ashersky]

If we could get the mail-mi wagon back and serious, I could switch back.  I was preferring him originally, before Robz turned up the scum meter on himself.

Also this:

If we never lynch robz D1 because scum!robz never gets lynched D1 then scum!robz will never be lynched D1.

You know he'd use this to his advantage.

[ashersky]

If we never lynch robz D1 because scum!robz never gets lynched D1 then scum!robz will never be lynched D1.

Also, I made this point a page ago when I described Robz's town play.  He used to get lynched D1 EVERY GAME.  He's used that to his advantage to now never get lynched on D1.

[ashersky]

If we never lynch robz D1 because scum!robz never gets lynched D1 then scum!robz will never be lynched D1.

Also, I made this point a page ago when I described Robz's town play.  He used to get lynched D1 EVERY GAME.  He's used that to his advantage to now never get lynched on D1.

Like fake lie claiming as TOWN.  He does things like that so we don't lynch him in games like this.

[Eevee]

I'm not talking about 1, 3 or even 10 games. I have probably played like 50 games with him! He knows this type of play gets you lynched day 1, h wouldn't do it as scum. As town, he just shrugs it off and signs up for another game.

Ashersky, what makes you say mail-mi isn't viable anymore? I think it very much is. We almost have the numbers already, and a bunch of people are still moving voters.

[sudgy]

If mail-mi might still happen, Vote: mail-mi.

[ashersky]

{L-1} Robz (5): mail-mi, spiritbears, nkirbit, ashersky, yuma
liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
sudgy (1): liopoil
AHoppy (1): Robz888
mail-mi (3): Eevee, AHoppy, sudgy

Not voting: xeiron

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Eevee, mail-mi has 2 votes.  That isn't viable.  Even if I switch, that's 3, and we lose our only L-1.

PPE: sudgy  -- so we lost our L-1, mail-mi is at 3.

[Eevee]

And Robz is 4. You'd be 5.

[liopoil]

eevee, you've made your case for why robz is town. why is mail-mi scum?

really want reads from people, especially robz.

[sudgy]

Woah, Robz wasn't at L-1?

Also, I'll still go back to Robz if need be.

[nkirbit]

{L-1} Robz (5): mail-mi, spiritbears, nkirbit, ashersky, yuma
liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
sudgy (1): liopoil
AHoppy (1): Robz888
mail-mi (3): Eevee, AHoppy, sudgy

Not voting: xeiron

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Eevee, mail-mi has 2 votes.  That isn't viable.  Even if I switch, that's 3, and we lose our only L-1.

PPE: sudgy  -- so we lost our L-1, mail-mi is at 3.

So to push through Robz, we would need two more votes.  Sudgy and Lio have both indicated they would.  Out of the others not voting, Eevee and Ahoppy have indicated they would not support it, xeiron is new so we don't know his opinion yet, and mcmc has been MIA.  Does anyone know offhand how mcmc felt about Robz?

[nkirbit]

Woah, Robz wasn't at L-1?

Also, I'll still go back to Robz if need be.

I believe he was at L-1.  He's is at L-2 now since you hopped off.

[yuma]

I'm not talking about 1, 3 or even 10 games. I have probably played like 50 games with him! He knows this type of play gets you lynched day 1, h wouldn't do it as scum. As town, he just shrugs it off and signs up for another game.

but wouldn't you say that same thing about his play in that blitz game. I know I said just something just like that.

I said that he would know this type of behavior would get him lynched, so he can't actually be scum! The thing about robz that I do feel comfortable is that he is always playing for future games... whether as town or as scum. He doesn't just have one game in mind... And I think that in this instance he has a pretty darn good chance of flipping scum. And pretty darn good is better than I feel about most day1 lynches.