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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: SpaceAnemone on November 17, 2016, 06:14:10 pm
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Welcome to Newbie Mafia 9: Grown-up Mafia!
This is a semi-open setup stolen with thanks from silverspawn's set-up in Newbie Mafia 8 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16181.0). It has a lot of potential roles (which are common on this site), but no special rules or interactions, and the randomizing process is simple. If you want to play, make a post saying /in (in this thread). Make sure to skim over the rules (link) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9211.0) and sign our civility pledge (link) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) first. But if you are completely new to the game, read this (link) (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Game_of_Mafia) first, it is a better explanation of what this is all about. Any additional information which you need should be included in the second post that explains the setup. If you have any questions, ask away. Bolded items in the rules list below have been altered from silverspawn's original or added for NM9.
Mods: SpaceAnemone & Haddock
Player List:
1. LaLight
2. Calamitas Mortgage and Home Maintenance, the Vanilla Townie, lynched D2
3. JaketheBaseballGod22 Time Management, the Vanilla Townie, lynched D1
4. Dylan32 (formerly NotTheRealAlec)
5. Joseph2302
6. Roadrunner7671
7. IDontPlayThisGame
8. faust
9. gkrieg13 (formerly McGarnacle) Personal Safety, the Vanilla Townie, killed N1
Tagged: silverspawn, ashersky
Navigation:
D1 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16550.msg658174#msg658174) | D1 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16550.msg660271#msg660271)
D2 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16550.msg660413#msg660413) | D2 End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16550.msg662703#msg662703)
Further Rules:
- Game days will last 7 days. Nights will last 1 day.
- You may vote: nolynch. If a majority of these votes is reached, a no-lynch will occur.
- Night Actions may be submitted and changed up until an hour before the next day starts.
- Extreme inactivity or any violation of rules will be dealt with based on my judgment.
- Mod posts will be blue-purple. Similar formatting should be avoided by players.
- After a succession of No-Kill -> No-Lynch -> No-Kill -> No-Lynch, mafia must attempt a kill.
- After a succession of No-Lynch -> No-Kill -> No-Lynch -> No-Kill, town must lynch, or a player will be lynched at random.
- Players may not quote anything from the game elsewhere while the game is still ongoing. "The game" means this thread, all related PMs, and the Mafia QT.
- Players must not communicate about or even mention the game to each other in real life, even if they know they're on the same team.
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The Setup
This game consists of 9 players:
5 Town players without a Role (Vanilla Townies)
1 Mafia player without Role (Mafia Goon)
Plus, 2 Town Power Roles and 1 Mafia Power Role which are not known pre-game. For this, a number between 1 and 12 is being randomized. The Role that is at that position on a standard clock face, plus its two neighbours, are included. Mafia will be informed which roles those are.
01 - Watcher
02 - Jailkeeper
03 - 1-Shot Strongman
04 - Babysitter
05 - Doctor
06 - Rolecop
07 - Weak Visitor
08 - Tracker
09 - 2-Shot Investigation Immune
10 - Vanilla Cop
11 - Motion Detector
12 - Roleblocker
Example:
If 12 is randomized, the roles at 11 (Motion Detector), 12 (Roleblocker), and 1 (Watcher) are being chosen. Red Roles are Mafia-Aligned, Green Roles are Town-Aligned.
Explanation of Roles:
The following Roles are active, targeted, and work at Night. This means, if you are one of them, then at night, you may target a player, and depending on which Role you have, something happens. None of the roles are compulsive, so you can always choose not to use them. Let us assume you do use them and target Haddock. If you are a
Tracker: you follow Haddock around that night, learn whom he targeted with his role (if any). You will receive a PM telling you a list of names at the start of the following day.
Doctor: you put Haddock in a hospital bed that night, thus (somehow) protecting him from murderers, and you thought a bunker would be better for that! If mafia tries to kill him that night, nothing happens.
Watcher: you climb into a tree next to Haddock's house that night, keeping a close look on the entrance, thus learning who targeted him that night. You will receive a PM telling you a list of names at the start of the following day.
Vanilla Cop: you perform some tests on Haddock, learning whether he is a Vanilla Townie (a town player without Role). You will receive a PM telling you "Haddock is a Vanilla Townie" or "Haddock is not a Vanilla Townie" at the start of the following day.
Babysitter: you transform Haddock into a Baby for the night, protecting him but also binding his fate on yours. If Mafia tries to kill him, nothing happens. But if mafia kills you, both you and Haddock die.
Weak Visitor: you freely walk towards Haddock, politely asking him if you could sleep at his house for the night. If Haddock is Mafia-Aligned, you will die, else nothing happens.
Motion Detector: you lay out a highly advanced field of laser-sensors across Haddock's home that night, telling you whether there was motion (he targeted someone, someone targeted him, or both) or no motion. You will receive a PM telling you "Motion detected" or "No Motion detected" at the start of the following day.
Roleblocker: you put up a network of invisible webs around Haddock's home that night, stopping any action he performs without him knowing. If Haddock tries to perform any action, nothing happens. This will cause Vanilla Cop and Motion Detector to get a special PM stating "No Result".
Jailkeeper: you put Haddock into prison for the night, taking away his freedom but also protecting him. If Mafia tries to kill him, nothing happens, and if Haddock tries to perform any action, nothing happens. Thus, this action is a combination of Doctor and Roleblocker.
Rolecop: You sneak into Haddock's home to steal some DNA, performing tests on it that tell you exactly which role he is born as. You will receive a PM saying "No Role" (if he is a Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon), or the name of any of the above or below if he is that Role.
The last two roles are not targeted. That means you simply choose to activate them, still at night, without specifying on whom.
Strongman: You enter god-mode for the night, breaking through every role that would interfere with what you choose to do. If you want to kill Haddock but he is being doctored, he still dies.
Investigation Immune: You put up a clever disguise, causing all investigative actions on you to fail. You will appear as "Vanilla Townie" to the Vanilla Cop, you will return "No Motion" to the Motion Detector, and will not be seen by either Tracker of Watcher. (Interaction with other roles isn't specified because they can't appear together in this setup).
Mafia's Night-Kill is treated as an action for this purpose. For example, if Haddock kills ashersky and you track him, you learn that Haddock targeted ashersky. If Haddock tries to kill ashersky and you put Haddock in jail, then the kill fails and ashersky lives, etc.
X-Shot before a role means that you can only use it X times. Thus, if you are 2-Shot Investigation Immune, you can only trigger your immunity twice during the game.
Silverspawn deserves all the credit for making this setup post :-)
Note that the order of the roles has been updated slightly, at his suggestion, from the ordering used in NM8. In particular, Watcher and Weak Visitor have been swapped.
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Flavour Post
"Oops!" exclaimed Space, noticing that they'd forgotten to write the opening flavour text for their Newbie Mafia game. Argh! There were just too many things to keep remembering, with responsibilities mounting on all sides, and sometimes little bits and pieces fell by the wayside. In fact, that seemed to be happening more and more these days...
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Sorry, Calamitas! You inned before I was quite ready. Will you forgive me if I get a moderator to delete your "/in" post just to keep the start of the start of the thread tidy?
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All fine ;-)
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Sorry, Calamitas! You inned before I was quite ready. Will you forgive me if I get a moderator to delete your "/in" post just to keep the start of the start of the thread tidy?
Since you started the thread, shouldn't you be able to do that?
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I guess I'll /in and show give these newbies so help :P
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Sorry, Calamitas! You inned before I was quite ready. Will you forgive me if I get a moderator to delete your "/in" post just to keep the start of the start of the thread tidy?
Since you started the thread, shouldn't you be able to do that?
I would have thought so, but I only see a "remove" option on my own posts.
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Setup question:
Is town forced to lynch in a "No kill - no lynch - no kill" scenario or just scum after another "no lynch"?
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Sorry, Calamitas! You inned before I was quite ready. Will you forgive me if I get a moderator to delete your "/in" post just to keep the start of the start of the thread tidy?
Since you started the thread, shouldn't you be able to do that?
I would have thought so, but I only see a "remove" option on my own posts.
They are the same thing. But done.
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Sorry, Calamitas! You inned before I was quite ready. Will you forgive me if I get a moderator to delete your "/in" post just to keep the start of the start of the thread tidy?
Since you started the thread, shouldn't you be able to do that?
I would have thought so, but I only see a "remove" option on my own posts.
They are the same thing. But done.
Thank you for removing it! :-)
I don't quite follow what you mean by them being the same thing: I can see "remove" as an option for my own posts, but not those created by anyone else, so I couldn't remove Calamiatas's one.
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/tag
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Setup question:
Is town forced to lynch in a "No kill - no lynch - no kill" scenario or just scum after another "no lynch"?
Haddock and I have discussed this and decided to change silver's rules entirely :-) This is now reflected in the opening post.
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/tag
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I guess I'll /in and show give these newbies so help :P
/in
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Setup question:
Is town forced to lynch in a "No kill - no lynch - no kill" scenario or just scum after another "no lynch"?
Haddock and I have discussed this and decided to change silver's rules entirely :-) This is now reflected in the opening post.
Okay perfect, like that one more :-)
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I experienced PTSD when I saw that setup diagram.
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Yeah no offense but that diagram sucked and made we dizzy when trying to read it.
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Folks. The setup diagram is fine. It's a clock, seriously. If it's that awful, read the text instead.
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Yeah no offense but that diagram sucked and made we dizzy when trying to read it.
The PTSD is from PPS having just lost a game from not understanding the setup of this setup. The diagram itself is fine I think.
Just a word of advice. Don't tell someone something sucked just because you can.
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Yeah no offense but that diagram sucked and made we dizzy when trying to read it.
It's silver's diagram, and I think it's great! I need to update it though, because he's suggesting swapping items 1 and 7 to balance the game better, and I think it's a good idea, but I don't have time right now to make a new graphic.
If it makes you guys happier, I'll take the image out for now and just update the text :-P
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The set-up post has been updated.
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When i viewed it it was actually spinning which made me dizzy that's i menat
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Darn it. People could've just not looked at the diagram. Now I'm having problems.
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Darn it. People could've just not looked at the diagram. Now I'm having problems.
If you have time to edit Silver's one from NM8 so that items 1 and 7 are swapped over, that would be awesome... otherwise I just don't have time just now :-( It's not even that difficult an edit because the two are at 180 degrees to one another, so a simple image rotate and some copy-pasting between versions would be enough.
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So that picture is blocked at school...
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Sorry, Calamitas! You inned before I was quite ready. Will you forgive me if I get a moderator to delete your "/in" post just to keep the start of the start of the thread tidy?
Since you started the thread, shouldn't you be able to do that?
I would have thought so, but I only see a "remove" option on my own posts.
They are the same thing. But done.
Thank you for removing it! :-)
I don't quite follow what you mean by them being the same thing: I can see "remove" as an option for my own posts, but not those created by anyone else, so I couldn't remove Calamiatas's one.
You can only delete other posts once you moved the thread into the Mafia area I think
also /tag
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Yeah no offense but that diagram sucked and made we dizzy when trying to read it.
The PTSD is from PPS having just lost a game from not understanding the setup of this setup. The diagram itself is fine I think.
Just a word of advice. Don't tell someone something sucked just because you can.
To be fair, I didn't lose. SA still pulled through for us (and I contend I still played well enough prior to slip that they could still eke out a win).
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Yeah no offense but that diagram sucked and made we dizzy when trying to read it.
The PTSD is from PPS having just lost a game from not understanding the setup of this setup. The diagram itself is fine I think.
Just a word of advice. Don't tell someone something sucked just because you can.
To be fair, I didn't lose. SA still pulled through for us (and I contend I still played well enough prior to slip that they could still eke out a win).
True. I guess lose wasn't the best word. Maybe that you scum slipped because you didn't understand the setup?
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Yeah no offense but that diagram sucked and made we dizzy when trying to read it.
The PTSD is from PPS having just lost a game from not understanding the setup of this setup. The diagram itself is fine I think.
Just a word of advice. Don't tell someone something sucked just because you can.
To be fair, I didn't lose. SA still pulled through for us (and I contend I still played well enough prior to slip that they could still eke out a win).
True. I guess lose wasn't the best word. Maybe that you scum slipped because you didn't understand the setup?
Yeah, I'm never reading a setup again, lol.
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/tag
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/In for one of the non-newbie spots. Feel free to kick me out if lots of newbies want to play.
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Also it's my first Newbie Mafia game, amusingly.
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4 spots, come on, people! :)
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/in
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I mean, I'd join, but... there should be more than 1 newbie in Newbie mafia.
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I feel like Newbie games are always made just a bit too late.
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I mean, I'd join, but... there should be more than 1 newbie in Newbie mafia.
there was another RR's friend, who disappeared..
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I feel like Newbie games are always made just a bit too late.
Well, they're a reaction to the presence of newbies. If people who're inviting lots of newbies over want to set up a game in advance of their friends joining, that would be a really clever way of getting ahead of the curve ;-)
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I mean, I'd join, but... there should be more than 1 newbie in Newbie mafia.
I thought we were going to have RR, Jake, plus two more of their 14yo cohort all joining RMM38, and this seemed like a better venue for them to get used to playing with each other.
@McGarnacle, you're still relatively new.. want to join instead of tagging? Maybe you'll be lucky and draw scum this time, though obviously I'm keeping it all entirely random!
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I mean, I'd join, but... there should be more than 1 newbie in Newbie mafia.
I thought we were going to have RR, Jake, plus two more of their 14yo cohort all joining RMM38, and this seemed like a better venue for them to get used to playing with each other.
@McGarnacle, you're still relatively new.. want to join instead of tagging? Maybe you'll be lucky and draw scum this time, though obviously I'm keeping it all entirely random!
I'm still gonna do RMM 38 though because I have a few games under my belt already
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I mean, I'd join, but... there should be more than 1 newbie in Newbie mafia.
I thought we were going to have RR, Jake, plus two more of their 14yo cohort all joining RMM38, and this seemed like a better venue for them to get used to playing with each other.
@McGarnacle, you're still relatively new.. want to join instead of tagging? Maybe you'll be lucky and draw scum this time, though obviously I'm keeping it all entirely random!
I'm going away over Thanksgiving, and I will have limited internet access. But if it doesn't fill up by this Sunday, I would be happy to join.
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/in
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+1 newbie! :)
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+1 newbie! :)
ish.
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+1 newbie! :)
ish.
No finished games though
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I get the impression that lots of the US people are going to be away for the next few days, so it might be that we can keep the last two slots for McGarnacle and Faust and then have a complete set to begin on about Monday :-)
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I get the impression that lots of the US people are going to be away for the next few days, so it might be that we can keep the last two slots for McGarnacle and Faust and then have a complete set to begin on about Monday :-)
Also, JReggie will be here
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I get the impression that lots of the US people are going to be away for the next few days, so it might be that we can keep the last two slots for McGarnacle and Faust and then have a complete set to begin on about Monday :-)
Also, JReggie will be here
True, though wasn't it RMM38 he'd expressed an interest in joining, rather than this game?
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I get the impression that lots of the US people are going to be away for the next few days, so it might be that we can keep the last two slots for McGarnacle and Faust and then have a complete set to begin on about Monday :-)
Also, JReggie will be here
True, though wasn't it RMM38 he'd expressed an interest in joining, rather than this game?
I think he didn't know about this one then :)
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Also i texted Dylan as an almost-newbie.
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Well, /in.
I need a game.
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/in
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Ayyyy
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cool.
coolcoolcool.
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Noice
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Hurrah, we're full!! :-)
I'm hoping to get the PMs out by midnight tonight UK time...
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PMs are out!
Please check your messages and confirm your roles in your QTs.
This thread is locked except for /tags.
Night 0 will start as soon as everyone has confirmed, and will run for ~36 hours.
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Due to unforseen circumstances, I will not have forum access for about 2 weeks. Please sign me out of any game I'm in. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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I can sub if you need me to.
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I can sub if you need me to.
Yes please! I'll send you to McGarnacle's QT. Thank you!
@McGarnacle: I hope things are okay! LMK when you're back and you can have the speccy link :-)
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Night 0 starts now and ends at 2pm forum time on Wednesday 30th November.
Thread locked!
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Grown-up Mafia
"Hey Haddock!" said Space, ushering their friend in from the cold. "The kettle just boiled... tea?"
"Always", replied Haddock, divesting himself of his cycling gear while Space busied themself in the kitchen.
By the time Space returned with two giant mugs, Haddock was eyeing the clutter on Space's coffee table with increasing worry: haphazard stacks of bills and tax paperwork, and a lot of lists in Space's almost-illegible multi-coloured scrawl, with headings like "Unavoidable Social Obligations" and "House Stuff to Fix". There were browser tabs open on the laptop covering a range of topics from interpersonal relationships to managing career goals and expectations. The mess even extended onto the floor and sofa, so there wasn't really anywhere polite to look away to.
"So... how's it going?" he broached.
"I think I'm getting on top of a couple more things again now.. there's a list over there of the main pressure points." They waved a hand at the far corner of the table. "Most of the time, people seem to think I'm pretty sorted, but all this adulthood stuff is just a bit too hard sometimes". A cuppa and a chat would be just the ticket, as long as it didn't eat too much into life-fixing time.
Haddock realised his friend might be over-thinking things somewhat, as was their habit. "Why don't we play a game?" he offered, gesturing to the extensive collection balanced along the top of Space's bookcases. He knew there were Dominion cards up there somewhere.
"That would be good, I guess, but I'm not sure..." they trailed off. Fun and Games might not be the most productive way of spending an afternoon with all of this grown-up stuff hanging over their head.
Vote Count 1.0
Not Voting (9): LaLight, Calamitas, JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame, faust, gkrieg13,
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
Thread Unlocked!
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Flavor is sad but I like it :)))
Vote: Joseph2032 good to see you back fella!
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Is that supposed to be flavor or my life's story?
vote: LaLight because friendship is magic
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Flavor is sad but I like it :)))
Vote: Joseph2032 good to see you back fella!
I always knew I'd return to mafia some point.
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Also, welcome newbies!
Vote: JaketheBaseballGod22
Vote: NotTheRealAlec
IDontPlayThisGame
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That should be Vote: IDontPlayThisGame
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joseph Town joseph would have self-voted already!
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Vote: joseph Town joseph would have self-voted already!
*fixed
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I kinda want to hang out with you guys.
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I kinda want to hang out with you guys.
oh nice, have you taken some drinks?
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okay, let's try to build some conversation.
Everyone, answer the following:
1) What is your favorite alignment? (the one you want to be most)
2) What role do you want to be?
3) Being VT is good/bad? Interesting/uninteresting? What would you do if you're VT?
I'll be the first :)
1) I do love to be scum, though I was one only the one time :(
2) I want to be a Jailkeeper, that's interesting role, cause you can Jail either scum or town
3) VT is cool. At first it seems boring, but then you realize you have nothing to fear and less responsibility and sincerely try to find scum.
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1) Clearly scum here for obvious reasons: D
2/3) Roles aren't that important for me, playing town/scum feels similar to me, whether pr or not.
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1) I think at this point in my career, I would much rather be town. Scum can take more work/not be as enjoyable. I feel like I am pretty good as either scum or town, but I don't usually die early, which makes me a better scum in my opinion.
2) I think I would want to be some cool RMM role that is crucial to the survival of town.
3) VT and PR are very different, but at this point, I think I would rather just be a VT. Of course, my not ever really dying D1 or D2 means that I'm probably better as a PR.
oh and vote: WW. That guy is still scum
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Vote:jakethebaseballgod22
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Vote:jakethebaseballgod22
What was that? I couldn't hear you.
1) Chaotic Neutral
2) Face
3) Uninteresting because I can't cast spells
But for mafia answers,
1) SK. It seems fun
2) Vanilla SK
3) I think VT is the most interesting role to be. You have absolutely nothing going for you. No information, no abilities, just whatever you can muster with words and no actions.
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I'm skipping RVS I guess
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You could play along and answer LaLight though
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okay, let's try to build some conversation.
Everyone, answer the following:
1) What is your favorite alignment? (the one you want to be most)
2) What role do you want to be?
3) Being VT is good/bad? Interesting/uninteresting? What would you do if you're VT?
I'll be the first :)
1) I do love to be scum, though I was one only the one time :(
2) I want to be a Jailkeeper, that's interesting role, cause you can Jail either scum or town
3) VT is cool. At first it seems boring, but then you realize you have nothing to fear and less responsibility and sincerely try to find scum.
(1) and (2). Serial killer, because you try and kill everyone.
(3) VT is fine, and it leaves the responsibility with competent people
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1) I think at this point in my career, I would much rather be town. Scum can take more work/not be as enjoyable. I feel like I am pretty good as either scum or town, but I don't usually die early, which makes me a better scum in my opinion.
2) I think I would want to be some cool RMM role that is crucial to the survival of town.
3) VT and PR are very different, but at this point, I think I would rather just be a VT. Of course, my not ever really dying D1 or D2 means that I'm probably better as a PR.
oh and vote: WW. That guy is still scum
We can kill you D1 or D2 if you like?
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I kinda want to hang out with you guys.
oh nice, have you taken some drinks?
What, no. Why would you even think that? And in front of minors? Ts, ts.
Also, I only meant Spacey and Haddock :P
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1) What is your favorite alignment? (the one you want to be most)
2) What role do you want to be?
3) Being VT is good/bad? Interesting/uninteresting? What would you do if you're VT?
1) Tentatively scum. Though more than one scum game in a row gets exhausting.
2) Deathproof Cop Vigilante?
3) Being VT is okay. Less pressure. Still interesting; sometimes even more so. The crowning achievement of a VT play is to get nightkilled N1.
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Vote:jakethebaseballgod22
Hi, welcome to the game! (You're the only real newbie, right?)
First, in order to vote, you should bold your request, like this Vote: JakeTheBaseballGod22. Some mods require a space between : and the name.
Second, why don't you tell us a little something about yourself? Prior mafia experience, your alignment, your favorite pet name?
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I kinda want to hang out with you guys.
oh nice, have you taken some drinks?
What, no. Why would you even think that? And in front of minors? Ts, ts.
Nothing more than Ginger Lemonade and Hot N/A Gluehwein :P
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Vote Count 1.1
Joseph (2): LaLight, Calamitas
LaLight (1): IDon'tPlayThisGame
IDon'tPlayThisGame (1): Joseph
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): faust
Not Voting (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13,
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
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Vote Count 1.1
Joseph (2): LaLight, Calamitas
LaLight (1): IDon'tPlayThisGame
IDon'tPlayThisGame (1): Joseph
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): faust
Not Voting (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13,
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
If the game is small enough, has anyone gotten lynched during RVS? Like, people accidentally sent too many votes that person's way?
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Vote Count 1.1
Joseph (2): LaLight, Calamitas
LaLight (1): IDon'tPlayThisGame
IDon'tPlayThisGame (1): Joseph
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): faust
Not Voting (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13,
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
If the game is small enough, has anyone gotten lynched during RVS? Like, people accidentally sent too many votes that person's way?
I don't know such games though i've read one where Seprix was secret doublevoter, so everyone thought it was l-1 and the guy was suddenly lynched
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Wow it's dead silent in here.
Let's talk setup for a bit. As far as I can see, there are no viable fakeclaims for scum. This means any claimed PR is either IC'd (this means that they are confirmed town) or counterclaimed (i.e. somebody else claims the role, or a role that cannot coexist with the claimed one).
This means that anyone who claims immediately basically changes their role from whatever they had to Innocent Child. Some roles I think are so weak that this tradeoff is good.
Weak Visitor is a role that offers information only at a great cost, i.e. dying. It also can appear together with Investigation Immune. That interaction is actually not clarified in the setup post. So What happens if a Weak Visitor targets someone who is investigation immune?
Anyway I think the cost is not worth it, and the Weak Visitors should claim.
The Motion Detector is similarly weak. The problem is that their results are ambiguous, and they might even out the other PR. So for claiming here.
Both also have the advantage that they always appear together with stronger roles, so the mafia will have to choose whether to let the other PR live longer or to keep an IC around.
I'm on the fence about Babysitter. I think claiming may be good because targeting them for a kill is dangerous for the mafia. But things are risky there.
Other opinions?
PPE: 2 (meaning 2 posts since I started typing this)
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Wow it's dead silent in here.
Let's talk setup for a bit. As far as I can see, there are no viable fakeclaims for scum. This means any claimed PR is either IC'd (this means that they are confirmed town) or counterclaimed (i.e. somebody else claims the role, or a role that cannot coexist with the claimed one).
This means that anyone who claims immediately basically changes their role from whatever they had to Innocent Child. Some roles I think are so weak that this tradeoff is good.
Weak Visitor is a role that offers information only at a great cost, i.e. dying. It also can appear together with Investigation Immune. That interaction is actually not clarified in the setup post. So What happens if a Weak Visitor targets someone who is investigation immune?
Anyway I think the cost is not worth it, and the Weak Visitors should claim.
The Motion Detector is similarly weak. The problem is that their results are ambiguous, and they might even out the other PR. So for claiming here.
Both also have the advantage that they always appear together with stronger roles, so the mafia will have to choose whether to let the other PR live longer or to keep an IC around.
I'm on the fence about Babysitter. I think claiming may be good because targeting them for a kill is dangerous for the mafia. But things are risky there.
Other opinions?
PPE: 2 (meaning 2 posts since I started typing this)
This is interesting. I hadn't actually looked in depth at the setup post yet because I had never played a game of this setup, and didn't read it before signing up because I subbed in at the last second. I think that the setup is kind of swingy. There are certain setups that are much better for town, like the one with Watcher/JK/RB. But then there are other setups that seem very scum favored like Doctor/weak visitor/Role cop.
Anyway, for the things that faust was actually talking about. I could see the value in the weak visitor claiming. They have to preclaim who they are going to target at night anyway right? Otherwise it doesn't really give us that much information.
Motion Detector isn't super weak in this setup, because you will have at most 6 people with motion. Ok, maybe that is actually terrible. Claim would be there.
Babysitter I don't think should claim. If they are a newb, I would definitely kill them N1, because I would have confidence that they were targeting scum and that you could get a free kill (the person they were targeting). So I think they should stay quiet, or if they do ever claim, they need to be quiet about their reads.
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Wow it's dead silent in here.
Let's talk setup for a bit. As far as I can see, there are no viable fakeclaims for scum. This means any claimed PR is either IC'd (this means that they are confirmed town) or counterclaimed (i.e. somebody else claims the role, or a role that cannot coexist with the claimed one).
This means that anyone who claims immediately basically changes their role from whatever they had to Innocent Child. Some roles I think are so weak that this tradeoff is good.
Weak Visitor is a role that offers information only at a great cost, i.e. dying. It also can appear together with Investigation Immune. That interaction is actually not clarified in the setup post. So What happens if a Weak Visitor targets someone who is investigation immune?
Anyway I think the cost is not worth it, and the Weak Visitors should claim.
The Motion Detector is similarly weak. The problem is that their results are ambiguous, and they might even out the other PR. So for claiming here.
Both also have the advantage that they always appear together with stronger roles, so the mafia will have to choose whether to let the other PR live longer or to keep an IC around.
I'm on the fence about Babysitter. I think claiming may be good because targeting them for a kill is dangerous for the mafia. But things are risky there.
Other opinions?
PPE: 2 (meaning 2 posts since I started typing this)
This is interesting. I hadn't actually looked in depth at the setup post yet because I had never played a game of this setup, and didn't read it before signing up because I subbed in at the last second. I think that the setup is kind of swingy. There are certain setups that are much better for town, like the one with Watcher/JK/RB. But then there are other setups that seem very scum favored like Doctor/weak visitor/Role cop.
Anyway, for the things that faust was actually talking about. I could see the value in the weak visitor claiming. They have to preclaim who they are going to target at night anyway right? Otherwise it doesn't really give us that much information.
Motion Detector isn't super weak in this setup, because you will have at most 6 people with motion. Ok, maybe that is actually terrible. Claim would be there.
Babysitter I don't think should claim. If they are a newb, I would definitely kill them N1, because I would have confidence that they were targeting scum and that you could get a free kill (the person they were targeting). So I think they should stay quiet, or if they do ever claim, they need to be quiet about their reads.
Incredible. I wrote a big post regarding faust's one, then my phone deleted it, i got angry and saw, that you answered with the same words i had. If there's babysitter, don't claim!
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Do we really want to start claiming this early on D1? I think it's a bit premature. We still haven't gotten real posts from people.
PPE: 1
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Do we really want to start claiming this early on D1? I think it's a bit premature. We still haven't gotten real posts from people.
PPE: 1
there are some roles mentioned above who would serve better as Innocent Children (Confirmed town) than their actual roles.
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so, having 5 mins of free time I want to do a list of players experience from vet to newb.
1,2) Faust/Gkrieg
3) Roadrunner
4) Joseph
5) Calamitas
6,7) Me/Jake
8) IDPTG
9) NotTheRealAlec
Okay, so, actually, we have a not vet-aligned nor news-aligned game. This is good.
AFAIK, RR and Jake are VLA (possibly Alec with them) so this game won't be so active (we need to wait for them either way).
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Do we really want to start claiming this early on D1? I think it's a bit premature. We still haven't gotten real posts from people.
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Well, if you can put forward reasons against it, I'm happy to read them.
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so, having 5 mins of free time I want to do a list of players experience from vet to newb.
1,2) Faust/Gkrieg
3) Roadrunner
4) Joseph
5) Calamitas
6,7) Me/Jake
8) IDPTG
9) NotTheRealAlec
Okay, so, actually, we have a not vet-aligned nor news-aligned game. This is good.
AFAIK, RR and Jake are VLA (possibly Alec with them) so this game won't be so active (we need to wait for them either way).
I'd put myself at 3) on this list, and RR at 4. I've been playing for 2 years on here.
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Do we really want to start claiming this early on D1? I think it's a bit premature. We still haven't gotten real posts from people.
PPE: 1
Depends on the board.
Although seriously, it depends on which roles we have.
Some roles are good, others less so.
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so, having 5 mins of free time I want to do a list of players experience from vet to newb.
1,2) Faust/Gkrieg
3) Roadrunner
4) Joseph
5) Calamitas
6,7) Me/Jake
8) IDPTG
9) NotTheRealAlec
Okay, so, actually, we have a not vet-aligned nor news-aligned game. This is good.
AFAIK, RR and Jake are VLA (possibly Alec with them) so this game won't be so active (we need to wait for them either way).
I'd put myself at 3) on this list, and RR at 4. I've been playing for 2 years on here.
oh, sorry. I've seen many games with RR, less so with you. Sorry again :)
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so, having 5 mins of free time I want to do a list of players experience from vet to newb.
1,2) Faust/Gkrieg
3) Roadrunner
4) Joseph
5) Calamitas
6,7) Me/Jake
8) IDPTG
9) NotTheRealAlec
Okay, so, actually, we have a not vet-aligned nor news-aligned game. This is good.
AFAIK, RR and Jake are VLA (possibly Alec with them) so this game won't be so active (we need to wait for them either way).
I'd put myself at 3) on this list, and RR at 4. I've been playing for 2 years on here.
oh, sorry. I've seen many games with RR, less so with you. Sorry again :)
I used to play more, but then I got a real life
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
I agree with faust on this front.
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
I agree with faust on this front.
Do you show people how "buddying" looks like? :)
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.
As soon as people have given reads, scum has an incentive to fakeclaim; more the stronger these reads get. If you think that we have enough time to wait for a claim at every L-something, then you haven't played enough games on here.
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.
As soon as people have given reads, scum has an incentive to fakeclaim; more the stronger these reads get. If you think that we have enough time to wait for a claim at every L-something, then you haven't played enough games on here.
Assume a L-2. Town claims a PR, scum counterclaims that PR. Either the town PR is lynched and the scum player the day after or the scum-player is lynched right away. If we assume random lynching, we have an IC and a scum death in 50% of all cases and a misslynch followed by a outing of a scum the day after in the other scenario. That is just a lot better than a PR claiming right away to get killed right away. The IC won't last unless we have a doctor lingering around so it is a useless one.
vote: Faust
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Vote: faust
Don't 100% agree, and also it's a newbie game, so can we let the newbies have their say more?
Like I get that people like to post, but if all the veterans talk lots and suggest everything, what fun is there for the newbies?
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You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
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You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
In how far does losing a PR help town?
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You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
In how far does losing a PR help town?
I mean IC is better than Weak Visitor for example, so it will help in two ways: we have IC and we know the scum role, so it is not many fake claims for scum. Anyway, Weak Visitor is bad even if he claims. He says he visits A, then he is dead. Killed by scum for example. Or scum makes no-kill if he visits them. So it's useless. IC is not useless.
But you are right too, in case we have counterclaims we out one of the scums for sure.
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You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
In how far does losing a PR help town?
I mean IC is better than Weak Visitor for example, so it will help in two ways: we have IC and we know the scum role, so it is not many fake claims for scum. Anyway, Weak Visitor is bad even if he claims. He says he visits A, then he is dead. Killed by scum for example. Or scum makes no-kill if he visits them. So it's useless. IC is not useless.
But you are right too, in case we have counterclaims we out one of the scums for sure.
Dead-weak-visiting-IC is not better than alive-ICable-weak-visitor. The only thing such an outing would do is forwarding the scum kill to a PR before the PR ever gets the chance to use their power. I don't thibk that is desirable.
Not claiming today is (almost) strictly better than claiming today.
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What happens if a Weak Visitor targets someone who is investigation immune?
The Weak Visitor is not considered to be an investigation role, so they still die if they target an investigation-immune scum player.
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There's a lot of talk of the Weak Visitor claiming, but not many of the other roles. Should they exist, I'd rather not have someone out the Doctor or Cop. I'm against claiming because I don't want to give scum something to work with N1.
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So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.
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So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.
What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!
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So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.
What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!
Well what do you want to talk about?
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So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.
What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!
Well what do you want to talk about?
Okay, first, there were some questions from me. Second, we were talking about claiming and it would be good to know your opinion on it.
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So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.
What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!
Well what do you want to talk about?
Okay, first, there were some questions from me. Second, we were talking about claiming and it would be good to know your opinion on it.
Uh...no. Nope. Whoever's talking about claiming on D1 is probably town though.
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So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.
What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!
Well what do you want to talk about?
Okay, first, there were some questions from me. Second, we were talking about claiming and it would be good to know your opinion on it.
Uh...no. Nope. Whoever's talking about claiming on D1 is probably town though.
Faust is too good for that.
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Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.
This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.
Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.
As soon as people have given reads, scum has an incentive to fakeclaim; more the stronger these reads get. If you think that we have enough time to wait for a claim at every L-something, then you haven't played enough games on here.
Assume a L-2. Town claims a PR, scum counterclaims that PR. Either the town PR is lynched and the scum player the day after or the scum-player is lynched right away. If we assume random lynching, we have an IC and a scum death in 50% of all cases and a misslynch followed by a outing of a scum the day after in the other scenario. That is just a lot better than a PR claiming right away to get killed right away. The IC won't last unless we have a doctor lingering around so it is a useless one.
vote: Faust
Mislynch followed by scum lynch is not that great in a 9 player game.
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Vote: faust
Don't 100% agree, and also it's a newbie game, so can we let the newbies have their say more?
Like I get that people like to post, but if all the veterans talk lots and suggest everything, what fun is there for the newbies?
Well, I agree in theory, but also, I haven't been in a game for like two months. There are things that I need to get out of my system.
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Plus, vets should pose an example to newbies. If vets lurk, then newbies get the impression that it's okay to lurk, and everything will be one big lurkfest. This is basically what happened in my first newbie game. (a long time ago)
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Plus, vets should pose an example to newbies. If vets lurk, then newbies get the impression that it's okay to lurk, and everything will be one big lurkfest. This is basically what happened in my first newbie game. (a long time ago)
That's true of course.
I'm a bit afraid Newbies will be scared to step up to our "Claim conversation" cause they don't have an opinion on it.
Also, Prod: Alec. Come here, man, tell us something about yourself.
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Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...
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Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...
We need a way out of the RVS :P
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Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...
We need a way out of the RVS :P
Sure, but not like that...
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Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...
We need a way out of the RVS :P
Sure, but not like that...
Well I'm open to other suggestions.
How about vote: Calamitas?
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Apparently tomorrow Jake will come and we'll leave RVS soon-ish
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Also, Prod: Alec. Come here, man, tell us something about yourself.
Prod sent. Note there is no hard prod/replacement rule in the current rule-set as listed in post #1. However, players should still aim not to go as long as 24 hours without posting, where possible.
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Hey sorry I couldn't respond wont happen again
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Hey sorry I couldn't respond wont happen again
So... respond?
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Hey sorry I couldn't respond wont happen again
So... respond?
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Vote Count 1.2
Joseph (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): IDontPlayThisGame
faust (2): Calamitas, Joseph
Calamiats (1): faust
Not Voting (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
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Vote Count 1.2
Joseph (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): IDontPlayThisGame
faust (2): Calamitas, Joseph
Calamiats (1): faust
Not Voting (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
HOW DO I VOTE I AM A NOOBIE
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
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Vote Count 1.2
Joseph (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): IDontPlayThisGame
faust (2): Calamitas, Joseph
Calamiats (1): faust
Not Voting (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
HOW DO I VOTE I AM A NOOBIE
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
You should bold your vote. Read the rules on the first page it's pretty clear :)
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So, fakeAlec, what's your prior mafia experience?
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I'd also lke to know the same from Idon, since IDidn'tPlayThisGameWithThem.
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I'd also lke to know the same from Idon, since IDidn'tPlayThisGameWithThem.
You mean from IDPTG?
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I'd also lke to know the same from Idon, since IDidn'tPlayThisGameWithThem.
You mean from IDPTG?
Yeah, that's a stupid nickname. He's Idon to me.
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I'd also lke to know the same from Idon, since IDidn'tPlayThisGameWithThem.
Well, that depends. How much can we say about an ongoing game? Are we allowed to say that it exists?
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I'd also lke to know the same from Idon, since IDidn'tPlayThisGameWithThem.
Well, that depends. How much can we say about an ongoing game? Are we allowed to say that it exists?
You can say that it exists.
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So, fakeAlec, what's your prior mafia experience?
non
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I'd also lke to know the same from Idon, since IDidn'tPlayThisGameWithThem.
Well, that depends. How much can we say about an ongoing game? Are we allowed to say that it exists?
You can say that it exists.
My only forum mafia experience is this game and an ongoing one. My IRL experience is two short, awful games.
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okay, if we go with gut feelings i gutfeel RR and Calamitas leaning town and GKrieg leaning scum. So much I have. How usually people go out of the RVS and start yelling and accusing each other? :)
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It's possible that it's my newness speaking, but I'm leaning Faust as scum due to this claim discussion.
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okay, if we go with gut feelings i gutfeel RR and Calamitas leaning town and GKrieg leaning scum. So much I have. How usually people go out of the RVS and start yelling and accusing each other? :)
Why leaning scum on me?
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It's possible that it's my newness speaking, but I'm leaning Faust as scum due to this claim discussion.
Well, let's see. What about it makes you think that I could be scum?
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Checking in.
I'm no longer VLA tomorrow, which'll be awesome. I don't really like the Faust wagon, but I'll probably have to read instead of skim-read.
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okay, if we go with gut feelings i gutfeel RR and Calamitas leaning town and GKrieg leaning scum. So much I have. How usually people go out of the RVS and start yelling and accusing each other? :)
Why leaning scum on me?
It's not a hard position of mine. It's just that in 4 posts you have i can't see any useful info that i wait to see in your posts :) In two of them you agree/partly agree with faust, one is about IDPTG nickname and 1 is answers to my question and your traditional WW vote (I remember how i put it in a first vote count in Worms :P). So this is like you are trying to buddy faust and make a team with him?
Again, gut feeling and analysis of 4 posts :)
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Checking in.
I'm no longer VLA tomorrow, which'll be awesome. I don't really like the Faust wagon, but I'll probably have to read instead of skim-read.
Faust wagon consists of 2 people, one of whom is probably RVSing.
Jake will come also, right?
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Checking in.
I'm no longer VLA tomorrow, which'll be awesome. I don't really like the Faust wagon, but I'll probably have to read instead of skim-read.
Faust wagon consists of 2 people, one of whom is probably RVSing.
Jake will come also, right?
Well, Idon thinks I'm scummy too apparently. Treating it as a wagon is probably better than ignoring it, because this way we'll have something to talk about.
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Well, his proposal has been definitely anti-town. It would have been awful if a newbie would have listened. And I don't think faust would act that foolish as town, ever. There is no town narrative that justifies that. As scum he might try any number of things, he could always claim "I wouldn't play that shallow as scum" (see roads response in #117) and just get away with it. So yeah, this is a serious vote.
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Well, his proposal has been definitely anti-town. It would have been awful if a newbie would have listened. And I don't think faust would act that foolish as town, ever. There is no town narrative that justifies that. As scum he might try any number of things, he could always claim "I wouldn't play that shallow as scum" (see roads response in #117) and just get away with it. So yeah, this is a serious vote.
Except it would not have been awful. Like seriously. I'm not saying that scum would never push a plan that is anti-town, but it's a very thin line. You don't just come out of the blue and do that.
Did you consider that we might have a theory disagreement? I mean gkrieg thinks the same way I do, and we have more experience in this than you. Are we scumpartners then?
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Again, why this plan is awful:
Scenario A - No claim:
Player X and Y are PRs, none claims. Town lynches anyone besides them (if close to lynch they would claim) and scum must kill basically randomly. Later they may decide to claim to gain IC status or force scum to counterclaim which increases the probability of a scum lynch significantly.
Scenario B - 1 Claim:
Player X and Y are PRs again. X claims D1. X is an IC but still a PR. Town lynches again anyone besides X and Y and scum kills X. Killing PRs has been the goal for scum anyways, so they are happy that they know X and just take him out. Town has just lost a PR with a probability of close to 1 for literally no benefit.
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I would appreciate it if you actually answered to my post instead of retreating to pure theory-crafting. Still, let's take a look at your claims.
Scenario A - No claim:
Player X and Y are PRs, none claims. Town lynches anyone besides them (if close to lynch they would claim)
Let's just pause here and note that this has not worked well in the past and there is no reason to assume that it will work here.
and scum must kill basically randomly. Later they may decide to claim to gain IC status or force scum to counterclaim which increases the probability of a scum lynch significantly.
First, scum would not force a 1-1 situation if it would actually increase the probability of their team winning. So the counterclaim scenario is bad. Second, look at the bad outcome here - we lynch one of our PRs. If scum claims first, they can out our more powerful PR. So in the bad case scenario, we lynch our most powerful PR, with is something we don't ever want to do.
Scenario B - 1 Claim:
Player X and Y are PRs again. X claims D1. X is an IC but still a PR. Town lynches again anyone besides X and Y and scum kills X. Killing PRs has been the goal for scum anyways, so they are happy that they know X and just take him out.
Let's interject again because ou apparently do not read what I write. X would be the weaker PR. If they lnch them, they guarantee that the stronger PR can get results in. Which matters in a small game. So first off, scum's decision is not that easy.
Town has just lost a PR with a probability of close to 1 for literally no benefit.
Literally wrong, as explained. Not to mention that scum's goal is not only to take out PRs, but also strong players. This may seem harsh, but I'd rather have scum kill a newbie lurker PR than say, gkrieg.
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Now I regret posting that. We should move away from theory. Every potential PR has already had the time to make up their mind, so let's move on.
Calamitas is a decent place for my vote. Their intent to make a theory disagreement into a scumtell is a typical way for scum to fabricate reads.
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What you wrote there is just wrong. Will respond when I get access to a computer.
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What you wrote there is just wrong. Will respond when I get access to a computer.
Please don't.
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Or maybe that's unfair; you can have the last word if you wish. Just don't expect me to respond, and don't assume you won the argument if I don't respond.
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come on guys, i still see you're both right, stop quarreling!
We haven't heard from Jake yet, so he may be such a PR.
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It's possible that it's my newness speaking, but I'm leaning Faust as scum due to this claim discussion.
Well, let's see. What about it makes you think that I could be scum?
Sorry for the late response. I reread the set-up and changed my mind; I'm still not convinced claiming is correct, but I'm also not convinced it's a scum move. It would be pretty bad if we lost both of our PRs before D2 (we accidentally lynch one and scum NKs the other) but I don't see how avoiding that by guaranteeing they're both NKd by D3 is significantly better.
If theory talk is over, I'll end that there, but I'm starting to like the claim idea more.
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Or maybe that's unfair; you can have the last word if you wish. Just don't expect me to respond, and don't assume you won the argument if I don't respond.
I don't care about winning arguments at al but I don't want town to actually follow through with claiming.
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I got that. Now can you answer my questions here:
Did you consider that we might have a theory disagreement? I mean gkrieg thinks the same way I do, and we have more experience in this than you. Are we scumpartners then?
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I got that. Now can you answer my questions here:
Did you consider that we might have a theory disagreement? I mean gkrieg thinks the same way I do, and we have more experience in this than you. Are we scumpartners then?
Gkrieg might haven't thought it through, but I still don't like it. Bringing it up the first place is orders of magnitudes worse though.
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That's just nonsense.
Okay, look into scum!me's head here: "Oh, I have this evil plan to out town's PRs. It' amazing! Well, it'll out one of them, maybe. The weakest. Also of course I can never convince vets to do this, because well it never ever works, the will do what they do regardless of what I say. But hey! I can still out weak newbie PRs. Then my team can kill them off and eliminate the tremendous threat posed by brand new players trying to utilize complicated weak PRs like Weak Visitor and Motion Detector!"
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town points to both, let's move further.
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town points to both, let's move further.
Okay then, move.
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I got that. Now can you answer my questions here:
Did you consider that we might have a theory disagreement? I mean gkrieg thinks the same way I do, and we have more experience in this than you. Are we scumpartners then?
Gkrieg might haven't thought it through, but I still don't like it. Bringing it up the first place is orders of magnitudes worse though.
I did think it through and I agree with Faust still and also agree that we should move forward and talk about something that doesn't exclude all of the newbies here who haven't posted for at least a page.
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I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this. I don't get why he would think Faust is scummy though. LaLight trying to move things along could be trying to match his town meta (how he plays as town) as scum.
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As long as nobody actually wants to claim I'm fine with moving onward. Though I still don't like faust's play here.
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See, I know that's the topic we can talk about and it's relevant and important, it's just i think it needs to be toned down a little.
So, I want to hear something from RR, Jake and Alec. Their thoughts on what's going on and all this stuff with claiming.
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I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this. I don't get why he would think Faust is scummy though. LaLight trying to move things along could be trying to match his town meta (how he plays as town) as scum.
Yeah, okay, that's my meta and how i play games, so it's not alignment-indicative :-P
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I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this. I don't get why he would think Faust is scummy though. LaLight trying to move things along could be trying to match his town meta (how he plays as town) as scum.
Yeah, okay, that's my meta and how i play games, so it's not alignment-indicative :-P
I don't remember playing with you when you were scum. So I'm not sure how much you try to emulate your meta.
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Oh now I remember which game it was, but I don't remember how you acted.
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I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this. I don't get why he would think Faust is scummy though. LaLight trying to move things along could be trying to match his town meta (how he plays as town) as scum.
Yeah, okay, that's my meta and how i play games, so it's not alignment-indicative :-P
I don't remember playing with you when you were scum. So I'm not sure how much you try to emulate your meta.
M86, we were scums together. And i pushed the game there.
PPE: 1 here are the answers
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I agree that we should move on to a new topic. The discussion of whether something works in the majority of cases (when we're not analyzing pure probability) isn't very newbie friendly. Especially because I don't know how much we (the new players) can even gain from analyzing that discussion. I still feel like I have no reads from it.
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How about, every time you are not satisfied with the current discussion, instead of saying "we should move on to a new topic", you actually move on to a new topic?
(This goes for everyone.)
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For example, let's look at LaLight. He has a couple of posts, right?
He opens the game by asking some questions. Not exactly sure what for... have you gotten anything out of that, LaLight? There's some fluff, and agreement with me on theory.
You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
This is such a weird post. Everyone cannot be right if we're arguing for contrary things! A little townie also, because it seems like a weird stance for scum to take.
He's generally trying to move the game forward, which is nice but also null. All posts are so pleasant, none of them seem to be designed to create discussion or put the spotlight on LaLight himself, so that's not so good.
But then he gives some reads, which is good again, and unprompted too. Case on gkrieg is actually not terrible.
Okay, I think overall LaLight seems towny.
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How about, every time you are not satisfied with the current discussion, instead of saying "we should move on to a new topic", you actually move on to a new topic?
(This goes for everyone.)
Fair enough. I would like to hear from RR, Jake, and Alec. We haven't heard a single thing from Jake, two posts from Alec, neither of which had content, and a couple of things about RVS and the claim discussion from RR.
Granted, I'm guilty of my criticism of Alec's posts; I haven't really said a whole lot.
For example, let's look at LaLight. He has a couple of posts, right?
He opens the game by asking some questions. Not exactly sure what for... have you gotten anything out of that, LaLight? There's some fluff, and agreement with me on theory.
You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
This is such a weird post. Everyone cannot be right if we're arguing for contrary things! A little townie also, because it seems like a weird stance for scum to take.
I think I understand what LaLight is saying here (and why it makes sense), but I'd like to hear it from LaLight himself.
@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).
I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this.
I think gkrieg has a point here; being opposed to the claim does not necessarily mean scum. However, I think it's still something worth considering.
PPE: 1
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@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).
Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.
I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this.
I think gkrieg has a point here; being opposed to the claim does not necessarily mean scum. However, I think it's still something worth considering.
Being opposed to claiming is completely null. Calamitas is scummy for other reasons.
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@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).
Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.
I read the setup but found out I missed a line when I reread it. And yes, I've never played this setup. I think that answers what you're asking?
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For example, let's look at LaLight. He has a couple of posts, right?
He opens the game by asking some questions. Not exactly sure what for... have you gotten anything out of that, LaLight? There's some fluff, and agreement with me on theory.
You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!
PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here :)
This is such a weird post. Everyone cannot be right if we're arguing for contrary things! A little townie also, because it seems like a weird stance for scum to take.
He's generally trying to move the game forward, which is nice but also null. All posts are so pleasant, none of them seem to be designed to create discussion or put the spotlight on LaLight himself, so that's not so good.
But then he gives some reads, which is good again, and unprompted too. Case on gkrieg is actually not terrible.
Okay, I think overall LaLight seems towny.
1) I haven't gotten anything from the answers to my questions. Yet.
2) Yes you can be both right, i told you why and i will repeat now: both cases are good for finding scum, though yours is good in a long term, and Calamitas' one is good for the actual situation we might have. and yes, if we do one we can't do second: that's contrary, but not the righteousness. question is what case is better and here i can't say exactly the answer.
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@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).
Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.
Because you read it first? :-)
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@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).
Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.
Because you read it first? :-)
Not that part actually. I just looked at the role roster because I thought I knew everything about how the setup worked.
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So I'm obviously an IC now :)
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Will deliver a nore detailed analysis on the claiming thing, this thing has to get resolved before we do something different. This is one of the more important decisions in regard to towns gameplan so we should discuss this thoroughly to ensure we pick the best strategy there. Just because we are playing a newbie game here doesn't mean we shouldn't play suboptimal (at least to this extent).
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Just because we are playing a newbie game here doesn't mean we shouldn't play suboptimal (at least to this extent).
I would be careful with throwing around all these negations.
The actual suboptimal play is to not discuss reads on D1. That's way more important than some theory discussion during which we will never reach a consensus. You should focus your energy on other things.
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Jake and I are both back, hooray!
Don't claim!
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So I'm obviously an IC now :)
Every time you do this, I always think it is scummy. Then you flip town...
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Jake and I are both back, hooray!
Don't claim!
Don't claim also I back and ready to go also Vote: RR Scum lord 101
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We're out of RVS, but great.
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We're out of RVS, but great.
Boi it's D-1 so were not and Alec needs to talk more if he doesn't wanna die for lurking
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At least we already know that the player posting is in fact Jake and his account hasn't been compromised.
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Vote Count 1.3
Joseph (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): IDontPlayThisGame
faust (2): Calamitas, Joseph
Calamitas (1): faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
Not Voting (3): NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
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vote: Jake
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vote: Jake
Any reasons?
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Insanely busy today, will be back tomorrow.
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vote: Jake
Any reasons?
Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?
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vote: Jake
Any reasons?
Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?
I am interested to listen to IDPTG's reasons
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vote: Jake
Any reasons?
Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?
Why Big G
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vote: Jake
Any reasons?
Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?
I am interested to listen to IDPTG's reasons
His first post says he's back and votes RR out of the blue. His second post is calling out Alec for lurking, telling him to post so he doesn't get lynched. We then get nothing from Jake. It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification.
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vote: Jake
Any reasons?
Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?
I am interested to listen to IDPTG's reasons
His first post says he's back and votes RR out of the blue. His second post is calling out Alec for lurking, telling him to post so he doesn't get lynched. We then get nothing from Jake. It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification.
I always vote RR at the start of the game and As I was reread I noticed Alec is lurking which is why I called him out. It was also 1am in the morning when I posted so then I went to bed. Also that's really bad reasoning anyway.
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Overdefencing.
Vote: Jake
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Overdefencing.
Vote: Jake
What would have been the correct amount of defencing in your opinion?
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Overdefencing.
Vote: Jake
What would have been the correct amount of defencing in your opinion?
In my opinion when someone votes for you telling openly that the vote is RVSish, there's no need to defend yourself at all, you can just commit more reads. Am I not right?
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Therefore, scum, especially more or less newb!scum is afraid of any vote and tries to take all the suspicion out of themselves. I did so in M86, I remember how i paniked when got RVS post and answered with overdefenseness.
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Vote Count 1.4
faust (2): Calamitas, Joseph
Calamitas (1): faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
Jake (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Lalight
Not Voting (3): NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.
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Therefore, scum, especially more or less newb!scum is afraid of any vote and tries to take all the suspicion out of themselves. I did so in M86, I remember how i paniked when got RVS post and answered with overdefenseness.
Eh, I,don't think this is strong enough for me. Pushing a Jake lynch is (in my opinion) a little scummy because it's just so easy!
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Therefore, scum, especially more or less newb!scum is afraid of any vote and tries to take all the suspicion out of themselves. I did so in M86, I remember how i paniked when got RVS post and answered with overdefenseness.
Eh, I,don't think this is strong enough for me. Pushing a Jake lynch is (in my opinion) a little scummy because it's just so easy!
But it always feels so good!
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Overdefencing.
Vote: Jake
What would have been the correct amount of defencing in your opinion?
In my opinion when someone votes for you telling openly that the vote is RVSish, there's no need to defend yourself at all, you can just commit more reads. Am I not right?
No. Defending yourself, even against weak accusations, is always good because it garners reactions and keeps the game moving. It is therefore a pro-town move. I think scum are generally more likely to ignore votes on them.
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Overdefencing.
Vote: Jake
What would have been the correct amount of defencing in your opinion?
In my opinion when someone votes for you telling openly that the vote is RVSish, there's no need to defend yourself at all, you can just commit more reads. Am I not right?
Well one he never said it was RVS and two I already have a lot of votes on me so I felt the need to defend myself.
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
If he is scum and it's hitting too close to home
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
"It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification."
This is not RVS it's a actual case despite being a bad one. Also Alec really needs to post way more just saying that he is major lurking.
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
"It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification."
This is not RVS it's a actual case despite being a bad one. Also Alec really needs to post way more just saying that he is major lurking.
That's the definition of RVS. Voting for someone simply because it's early in the game.
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
"It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification."
This is not RVS it's a actual case despite being a bad one. Also Alec really needs to post way more just saying that he is major lurking.
That's the definition of RVS. Voting for someone simply because it's early in the game.
He created a actual case which I felt the need to defuse and also I always defuse any case against me. It's part of how I play. If I haven't played with you look back at my previous games and you will see this is true
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
"It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification."
This is not RVS it's a actual case despite being a bad one. Also Alec really needs to post way more just saying that he is major lurking.
That's the definition of RVS. Voting for someone simply because it's early in the game.
That's plainly wrong. Go back and read Idon's post.
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How could that possibly have not been RVS?
"It's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable putting my vote on him for now with only that as justification."
This is not RVS it's a actual case despite being a bad one. Also Alec really needs to post way more just saying that he is major lurking.
That's the definition of RVS. Voting for someone simply because it's early in the game.
That's plainly wrong. Go back and read Idon's post.
I misread Jake's post, I thought he said his vote on me wasn't RVS.
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Also, I saw that Joseph is VLA, but where is Alec?
Prod: Alec
We need a little more input from you!
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Is it allowed to ask him IRL to post more? Because sending a message to his PMs probably won't do anything, it's not like he's doing other stuff on the forums and just forgot about this game.
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Is it allowed to ask him IRL to post more? Because sending a message to his PMs probably won't do anything, it's not like he's doing other stuff on the forums and just forgot about this game.
Your not allowed to speak scum lord
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Is it allowed to ask him IRL to post more? Because sending a message to his PMs probably won't do anything, it's not like he's doing other stuff on the forums and just forgot about this game.
Don't PMs usually notify our email though? Unless you deactivate that option.
I don't know about asking him IRL. It's uh a thin line. Would wait for mod decision before taking any action.
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Is it allowed to ask him IRL to post more? Because sending a message to his PMs probably won't do anything, it's not like he's doing other stuff on the forums and just forgot about this game.
Don't PMs usually notify our email though? Unless you deactivate that option.
I don't know about asking him IRL. It's uh a thin line. Would wait for mod decision before taking any action.
They don't do that for me.
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Has Jake been scum before? Because this reads like town!Jake to me, but I'd like to check against a scum game.
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Has Jake been scum before? Because this reads like town!Jake to me, but I'd like to check against a scum game.
Look at my signature
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Mod: Could I say something unrelated to the game to Alec, such as "Check the Dominion Forum"?
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Has Jake been scum before? Because this reads like town!Jake to me, but I'd like to check against a scum game.
He was at Portal Mafia. M87 I suppose.
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Mod: Could I say something unrelated to the game to Alec, such as "Check the Dominion Forum"?
You can say that there are Qvist's rankings posted! So he will got on the forums and notice the game :D
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Mod: Could I say something unrelated to the game to Alec, such as "Check the Dominion Forum"?
You can say that there are Qvist's rankings posted! So he will got on the forums and notice the game :D
Ha ha, you're right
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But I play the same as each so it doesn't matter but you can decide that for yourself
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Mod: Could I say something unrelated to the game to Alec, such as "Check the Dominion Forum"?
You can say that there are Qvist's rankings posted! So he will got on the forums and notice the game :D
What is that?
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Mod: Could I say something unrelated to the game to Alec, such as "Check the Dominion Forum"?
You can say that there are Qvist's rankings posted! So he will got on the forums and notice the game :D
What is that?
Dominion-related stuff.
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But I play the same as each so it doesn't matter but you can decide that for yourself
You realize this is an actively anti-town sentiment. You should try to bring your scum game up to meet your town game instead of bringing your town game down and thinking of what you would do as scum. Especially because you'll be town more than you will be scum
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But I play the same as each so it doesn't matter but you can decide that for yourself
You realize this is an actively anti-town sentiment. You should try to bring your scum game up to meet your town game instead of bringing your town game down and thinking of what you would do as scum. Especially because you'll be town more than you will be scum
I was just saying that but you people can make up your own minds.
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But I play the same as each so it doesn't matter but you can decide that for yourself
You realize this is an actively anti-town sentiment. You should try to bring your scum game up to meet your town game instead of bringing your town game down and thinking of what you would do as scum. Especially because you'll be town more than you will be scum
I was just saying that but you people can make up your own minds.
I'm just saying that when I was a newbie, I would be purposefully cryptic as town, which made me a much weaker town player, and a not very much stronger scum player. I've since learned that it is much better to play your best as town and then try to match that with your scum play.
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I have skimmed the beginning of M87 and continue to think that Jake is town.
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I have skimmed the beginning of M87 and continue to think that Jake is town.
Thanks faust.
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You shouldn't have to read too much I died D-2 like I always do.
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Also, I saw that Joseph is VLA, but where is Alec?
Prod: Alec
We need a little more input from you!
Prod sent.
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Mod: Could I say something unrelated to the game to Alec, such as "Check the Dominion Forum"?
Give it at least a few hours now that the second prod message has been sent. Also ask yourself whether you can definitely resist talking about the game if you start talking with him about the forum.
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Jake's been a bit more controlled in his posting than in the game I played with him where he was town. I don't know if it's a difference in playstyle or finally using decent grammar.
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I'm willing to back off, hoping that it's the latter.
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Holy cow didn't realize that the deadline was so close
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Holy cow didn't realize that the deadline was so close
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Holy cow didn't realize that the deadline was so close
So we need to start making decisions. I'd like to hear from Alec first, but if he doesn't respond to the prod we'll have very little time.
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Holy cow didn't realize that the deadline was so close
So we need to start making decisions. I'd like to hear from Alec first, but if he doesn't respond to the prod we'll have very little time.
Well there's a replacement request open, so I don't think we'll see Alec again.
Also we have two days. It's not a lot, but also enough time that we don'tneed to rush things.
Can everone who is currently voting for someone please justify their vote?
I go first: I think Calamitas is scum because he constructed a scum read out of a theory disagreement and otherwise has given very little input in terms of reads.
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I'm back.
Will try and reread this evening, as I know deadline is 2 days.
Unvote for now
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Sorry for the VLA. Summary of my thoughts. So far today, the main things have been:
- faust suggested a possible claim, there was lots of debate for/against and consensus was against mass-claiming even for weak roles. Biggest contributors to the discussion were faust & Calamitas. Gkrieg supported faust's idea to claim (#167) LaLight was kind of quick to try and move the discussion on (#165), which seems a tad odd. After all, it seems to be the only in detail discussion here today.
- Jake's first contribution was RV (#188), followed by some "banter" with RR. Then some discussion after IDPTG voted for him. Followed by some more random nonsense "chat" between Jake & RR (#220), and a discussion on how Jake plays scum & town, which was summed up reasonably in #232 by gkrieg. faust thinks Jake is town. I would like to reserve judgement until I (skim) read other games he's been in. As is style seems very RVs
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Going to try and analyse each person individually now
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1. LaLight
Starts off the conversation by giving everyone a list of questions to answer. He wasn't opposed to the mass claim and said both sides had a point. I'm inclined to see those two as town-leaning, although the claim stance less so. He seems like helpful town LaLight from NM8 (assuming I'm remembering correctly). Going with town for now.
2. Calamitas
Mainly posting against the mass claim. As LaLight pointed out, both scenarios (claim vs no claim) help town, so I'm not convinced that this would indicate scum!Calamitas (is that the correct format?). Null read
3. JaketheBaseballGod22
Posted about Alec and created a defense against my accusation. As I said, his posts seem different from when I played with him as town, but that's mainly due to the grammar (which is a change I'm very happy to see). Still not convinced he's town, but I'm not totally sure that he's scum.
Unvote
4. NotTheRealAlec
Four posts. One votes Jake, one's a quote of the voting list, one says he'll be better about posting, and the last says he has no prior mafia experience. Nothing to read imo. Since it's his first game and people were kind enough to do this for me in mine, I'm not inclined to put him in today's lynch pool just because of lurking.
5. Joseph2302
Some RVS stuff and answering LaLight. Seemed to go VLA, so I don't think there's anything to read. I'm looking forward to his analysis.
6. Roadrunner7671
Talks about whether we're in RVS and takes a stance on claiming. He also confirms that Jake's account has not been compromised. Nothing to read yet.
8. faust
Tries to trick Alec into giving away his alignment. Personally, I support that move. Brings up, and subsequently defends, the mass claim. He also moves the game along by asking people (like yours truly) to stop saying we should move on and actually provide something to move on to. I don't know if that's a town or scum move; I'm inclined to think it's neither and it's for the sake of the game. [Oh, just a request. I'm fine with most nicknames, but I'd rather not get stuck with Idon] Overall, I'm leaning town vet trying to move the game along.
9. gkrieg13
Agrees with faust on claiming which is, as mentioned before, neutral. Supports lynching Jake, but I don't know if that means anything just now. I've got nothing.
So basically, we get to the end and all I have are town and null reads. It's possible that scum happen to be the people I'm not getting reads on, but I doubt that's the case given probability and the experienced people in this game. I need to learn how to read people because at this point I'm not doing much good for anyone.
PPE: 3
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- LaLight: Kind of doing things without actually doing/contributing anything. For example talking about moving game forward, but not actually doing anything to actually help move game forward. Which is kind of anti-town in my opinion
- Calamitas: Long debate about claims, and not a lot else. Seems towny for now, because that debate kind of made sense from both perspectives
- JaketheBaseballGod22: Defending RVs and discussing one vote quite a lot, but newbies probably do that a lot anyway. Would need to look at previous games on him
- NotTheRealAlec: Apparently not playing. Lynch on him would be crapshoot random
- Joseph2302: Town
- Roadrunner7671: Has he done anything this game other than RVs? Doing nothing = not helping town
- IDontPlayThisGame: Completely new player getting into the hang of the game. He's trying to push game along by asking for contributions from inactive players, and some good posts made e.g. #200. This seems pro-town. D1 pass for him
- faust: Massclaim discussion, seems reasonably towny to me, even though I disagree that we should massclaim. Potentially dangerous to even talk about it in a newbie game (newbies are more claim without thinking hard about it), but doesn't seem to me like a risk that scum!faust would take
- gkrieg13: Not a huge amount of content posted. Null read on him for now
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So I'll say something about 8 and 9 of your list. scum!faust would definitely take a risk like that, but if you really read his argument, you can see that he is actually right, and was not saying we should mass claim, but that certain PRs would be better as IC (by them claiming) than being what they really are.
I feel like I have actually posted more content than most of the people on your list. I have taken stands on everything that has been going on. I'm actually surprised I'm null on your list honestly.
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1. LaLight
Starts off the conversation by giving everyone a list of questions to answer. He wasn't opposed to the mass claim and said both sides had a point. I'm inclined to see those two as town-leaning, although the claim stance less so. He seems like helpful town LaLight from NM8 (assuming I'm remembering correctly). Going with town for now.
I do agree that LaLight is being helpful, but I have been on his team as scum before, and he didn't get much suspicion then, so I would keep my eye on him if I were you.
2. Calamitas
Mainly posting against the mass claim. As LaLight pointed out, both scenarios (claim vs no claim) help town, so I'm not convinced that this would indicate scum!Calamitas (is that the correct format?). Null read
Calamitas would be honest about the setup as either alignment. I wouldn't take any setup talk from him as alignment indicative. One more thing, faust did not propose a massclaim.
3. JaketheBaseballGod22
Posted about Alec and created a defense against my accusation. As I said, his posts seem different from when I played with him as town, but that's mainly due to the grammar (which is a change I'm very happy to see). Still not convinced he's town, but I'm not totally sure that he's scum.
Unvote
4. NotTheRealAlec
Four posts. One votes Jake, one's a quote of the voting list, one says he'll be better about posting, and the last says he has no prior mafia experience. Nothing to read imo. Since it's his first game and people were kind enough to do this for me in mine, I'm not inclined to put him in today's lynch pool just because of lurking.
5. Joseph2302
Some RVS stuff and answering LaLight. Seemed to go VLA, so I don't think there's anything to read. I'm looking forward to his analysis.
6. Roadrunner7671
Talks about whether we're in RVS and takes a stance on claiming. He also confirms that Jake's account has not been compromised. Nothing to read yet.
8. faust
Tries to trick Alec into giving away his alignment. Personally, I support that move. Brings up, and subsequently defends, the mass claim. He also moves the game along by asking people (like yours truly) to stop saying we should move on and actually provide something to move on to. I don't know if that's a town or scum move; I'm inclined to think it's neither and it's for the sake of the game. [Oh, just a request. I'm fine with most nicknames, but I'd rather not get stuck with Idon] Overall, I'm leaning town vet trying to move the game along.
9. gkrieg13
Agrees with faust on claiming which is, as mentioned before, neutral. Supports lynching Jake, but I don't know if that means anything just now. I've got nothing.
I'll say that I only sort of jokingly support Jake's lynch, in the sense that I will pretty much always support a Jake lynch. I think up to this point, he isn't that helpful to town, but that he is getting much better.
So basically, we get to the end and all I have are town and null reads. It's possible that scum happen to be the people I'm not getting reads on, but I doubt that's the case given probability and the experienced people in this game. I need to learn how to read people because at this point I'm not doing much good for anyone.
PPE: 3
My stuff is in bold above (well I mean except for the unvote.)
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Ugh, come on I'm always, always helpful, especially in nms! Will contribute more after watching lasr westworld epispde :P
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Didn't realize either that the deadline is so close.
In regard to the "theory" debate I still stand by my position that a PR claim is absolutely horrible. My read on faust has diminished though since he seems to genuinely believe that such a claim would benefit town. I don't see why but I buy that he believes that.
In regard to other reads I have literally nothing to offer. LaLight drives the game forward which is absolutely alignment-unindicative. Rest hasn't said anything particular alignment indicative either.
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Ugh, come on I'm always, always helpful, especially in nms! Will contribute more after watching lasr westworld epispde :P
That is exactly what I'm saying. You would be just as helpful as scum!
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Ugh, come on I'm always, always helpful, especially in nms! Will contribute more after watching lasr westworld epispde :P
That is exactly what I'm saying. You would be just as helpful as scum!
So, then I'm null but you advise to keep an eye on me, not Calamitas. Why? :)
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Ugh, come on I'm always, always helpful, especially in nms! Will contribute more after watching lasr westworld epispde :P
That is exactly what I'm saying. You would be just as helpful as scum!
So, then I'm null but you advise to keep an eye on me, not Calamitas. Why? :)
It seemed like he was reading more town on you than on Calamitas.
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So
1) LaLight - Innocent Child of this game, see, his name is green!
2) Calamitas - claim stuff. Looks townie from this perspective
3) Jake - As usual hard to read, would lynch.
4) Alec - well, you know
5) Joseph - First meaningful post is #247. Before that nothing at all. Would lynch.
6) Roadrunner - Every post contains the RVS abbreviature. Also, never answered my initial questions. Also may be in a team with Alec? :)
7) IDontPlayThisGame - clear newb!town. Tries to enter the game. One more thought about him I'd better keep to myself for the best.
8 ) Faust - looks townie at everything. yeah, can be a bold scum here, though i don't think so. Feels kinda frustrated? idk. wouldn't lynch, faust is great to be in a team with.
9) GKrieg13 - here we go. my prime suspect. there was a previous case, then this:
I feel like I have actually posted more content than most of the people on your list. I have taken stands on everything that has been going on. I'm actually surprised I'm null on your list honestly.
Yeah? Talking about lynching Jake a lot, agreeing with faust, making a LOT of SHORT posts, and then trying to get me. You feel here as lazy scum trying to hover a flashlight on everyone else (maybe even on your partner (not me)) to make them feel nervous, but without actual case. As if you want a no-lynch in the end. I even see that if you outlive the night you will become the activest of the activest people on D2. I don't know if I'm right, but you're the most suspicious one here. I know that as town you are playing much, much better.
Vote: GKrieg13
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Alec wasn't at school today, so I didn't even have the option to prod him.
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Huh, who asked the replacement then?
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So
1) LaLight - Innocent Child of this game, see, his name is green!
2) Calamitas - claim stuff. Looks townie from this perspective
3) Jake - As usual hard to read, would lynch.
4) Alec - well, you know
5) Joseph - First meaningful post is #247. Before that nothing at all. Would lynch.
6) Roadrunner - Every post contains the RVS abbreviature. Also, never answered my initial questions. Also may be in a team with Alec? :)
7) IDontPlayThisGame - clear newb!town. Tries to enter the game. One more thought about him I'd better keep to myself for the best.
8 ) Faust - looks townie at everything. yeah, can be a bold scum here, though i don't think so. Feels kinda frustrated? idk. wouldn't lynch, faust is great to be in a team with.
9) GKrieg13 - here we go. my prime suspect. there was a previous case, then this:
I feel like I have actually posted more content than most of the people on your list. I have taken stands on everything that has been going on. I'm actually surprised I'm null on your list honestly.
Yeah? Talking about lynching Jake a lot, agreeing with faust, making a LOT of SHORT posts, and then trying to get me. You feel here as lazy scum trying to hover a flashlight on everyone else (maybe even on your partner (not me)) to make them feel nervous, but without actual case. As if you want a no-lynch in the end. I even see that if you outlive the night you will become the activest of the activest people on D2. I don't know if I'm right, but you're the most suspicious one here. I know that as town you are playing much, much better.
Vote: GKrieg13
Uh, I have been going for a lot of short posts, because I've been playing games much more on feel lately, especially on D1. I think the use of gut for me has been pretty effective lately.
Also D1 is the exact right time for hovering and trying to point the flashlight at people. I want people to feel nervous so I can see who acts normal under the pressure and who doesn't.
I would also argue that I'm usually not as into the game D1, as you can see from the game that just finished that you modded. I feel like most of this case is OMGUS (just a reaction to me calling you scummy)
Also where did I talk about lynching Jake a lot? I think there have only been a few different posts where I have mentioned lynching Jake, and they were all just to get a reaction from Jake. It worked, because I believe Jake is reacting very differently to pressure in this game than he did in his last game, where he was town. He seemed to just shake off the pressure in this game, where he had a sort of doom and gloom, "I'm going to die today, so lynch these people tomorrow" point of view.
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Ok so will post my full reads and cases some but for now I will just vote and a short why
Vote: GKrieg13
He is acting very strange will elaborate tomorrow don't kill him before I post my reads.
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Ok so will post my full reads and cases some but for now I will just vote and a short why
Vote: GKrieg13
He is acting very strange will elaborate tomorrow don't kill him before I post my reads.
I think that's a short enough why to not even count as a why
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Feels like scum Jake. Town Jake isn't so sheepy. I mean, Jake was sheepy enough to even capitalize the K in 'gkreig,' just like LaLight did!
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Feels like scum Jake. Town Jake isn't so sheepy. I mean, Jake was sheepy enough to even capitalize the K in 'gkreig,' just like LaLight did!
1) The "g" and "k" aren't capitalized in gkrieg's forum name.
2) Jake votes for "GKrieg13". I don't remember Jake ever writing someone's full name in the game I played with him.
3) Jake also asks us not to kill gkrieg, but nonetheless puts him one vote closer to being lynched.
Jake, can you explain these?
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Feels like scum Jake. Town Jake isn't so sheepy. I mean, Jake was sheepy enough to even capitalize the K in 'gkreig,' just like LaLight did!
1) The "g" and "k" aren't capitalized in gkrieg's forum name.
2) Jake votes for "GKrieg13". I don't remember Jake ever writing someone's full name in the game I played with him.
3) Jake also asks us not to kill gkrieg, but nonetheless puts him one vote closer to being lynched.
Jake, can you explain these?
Just for the record, I'm happy that LaLight actually spells it right, even if he doesn't get the capitalization right!
That is a little bit strange, but how do we know that town!Jake isn't sheepy? Like do you have any data for that RR? I actually remember him being very sheepy, but then he gets these "concrete reads" that are wrong, like on McGarnacle in M89.
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Or on EFHW in one of his older games.
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Ok well truth be told I just copy pasted what LL said because I was very busy and voting from my phone but also mods don't recognize some of my nicknames for people as votes so I have to spell out there names for it to work. Alright so here's what I mean by strange.
In my games with Big G always has fewer than 10 posts D-1 and never gives small short posts. I can give examples if needed. Also in my games with Big G has made a few wise post every couple pages that are very detailed and never posts a lot like now. Also can give examples if needed. In fact in one of the games I played with I accenditly proded him because he didn't post for so long. Also there is no other good D-1 cases besides people trying to grasp at straws against me.
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
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In my games with Big G always has fewer than 10 posts D-1 and never gives small short posts. I can give examples if needed. Also in my games with Big G has made a few wise post every couple pages that are very detailed and never posts a lot like now. Also can give examples if needed. In fact in one of the games I played with I accenditly proded him because he didn't post for so long. Also there is no other good D-1 cases besides people trying to grasp at straws against me.
Some examples would be nice.
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
This may not be a part of your case, but it certainly hurts it in my eyes...
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Ok well truth be told I just copy pasted what LL said because I was very busy and voting from my phone but also mods don't recognize some of my nicknames for people as votes so I have to spell out there names for it to work. Alright so here's what I mean by strange.
In my games with Big G always has fewer than 10 posts D-1 and never gives small short posts. I can give examples if needed. Also in my games with Big G has made a few wise post every couple pages that are very detailed and never posts a lot like now. Also can give examples if needed. In fact in one of the games I played with I accenditly proded him because he didn't post for so long. Also there is no other good D-1 cases besides people trying to grasp at straws against me.
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
If you look at this game, I also got prodded to activity by the deadline being so close. Also if you look at all of my past games, I would say that I have more than 10 posts on D1 in nearly all of them.
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
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In my games with Big G always has fewer than 10 posts D-1 and never gives small short posts. I can give examples if needed. Also in my games with Big G has made a few wise post every couple pages that are very detailed and never posts a lot like now. Also can give examples if needed. In fact in one of the games I played with I accenditly proded him because he didn't post for so long. Also there is no other good D-1 cases besides people trying to grasp at straws against me.
Some examples would be nice.
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
This may not be a part of your case, but it certainly hurts it in my eyes...
Ok not how I wanted to phrase that much rather have said anyone other than me.
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
Me, Myself and I
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In my games with Big G always has fewer than 10 posts D-1 and never gives small short posts. I can give examples if needed. Also in my games with Big G has made a few wise post every couple pages that are very detailed and never posts a lot like now. Also can give examples if needed. In fact in one of the games I played with I accenditly proded him because he didn't post for so long. Also there is no other good D-1 cases besides people trying to grasp at straws against me.
Some examples would be nice.
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
This may not be a part of your case, but it certainly hurts it in my eyes...
I will get you some examples hopefully tomorrow or maybe tonight if I can
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Just for the record, I'm happy that LaLight actually spells it right, even if he doesn't get the capitalization right!
Oh my god, why didn't you tell me before? i was always sure (not sure why) that your nickname writes like that, smth like first letter of the name and the surname I suppose? uh oh
So, yes, Unvote. And this:
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
is so so bad. Let's return to the Vote: Jake
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Just for the record, I'm happy that LaLight actually spells it right, even if he doesn't get the capitalization right!
Oh my god, why didn't you tell me before? i was always sure (not sure why) that your nickname writes like that, smth like first letter of the name and the surname I suppose? uh oh
So, yes, Unvote. And this:
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
is so so bad. Let's return to the Vote: Jake
Well I didn't tell you before because you are partially right. It is sort of kind of a mild derivative of my first and last names, but really the fact that you always spell it right is enough for me. Most people don't get that part right.
Plus the pronunciation of it is gee krieg so it works pretty well.
Anyway what about Jake wanting to lynch a vet D1 is scummy? I remember wanting to get Faust lynched D-1 before.
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Actually just realized I was scum that game...
I might be able to actually get on the Jake wagon at this point
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Actually just realized I was scum that game...
I might be able to actually get on the Jake wagon at this point
Ditto (If i use this word correctly)
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Actually just realized I was scum that game...
I might be able to actually get on the Jake wagon at this point
Ditto (If i use this word correctly)
It feels like you probably used it correctly. Except it's kind of strange because you are already on the Jake wagon.
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Actually just realized I was scum that game...
I might be able to actually get on the Jake wagon at this point
Ditto (If i use this word correctly)
It feels like you probably used it correctly. Except it's kind of strange because you are already on the Jake wagon.
I used it like "it's a good idea"
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newb!scum is always eager to lynch vets. Therefore i want the vets (who i think are town) to remain as long as possible.
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i want the vets (who i think are town) to remain as long as possible.
You don't say!
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i want the vets (who i think are town) to remain as long as possible.
You don't say!
In this case I think you're town and gkrieg is not so i want you to remain and him to be lynched :)
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I would just say that half the game is vets and also lynching vets is fun because they never get lynched but people look at the case not some tiny thing on the side because the case against Big G is valid and it's the best case we have.
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I would just say that half the game is vets and also lynching vets is fun because they never get lynched but people look at the case not some tiny thing on the side because the case against Big G is valid and it's the best case we have.
Depends who we count as vets. I'd say there's 3 vets, 3 moderately experienced who have played a lot recently, and 3 newbies.
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Also, 1 of the vets (me) gets mislynched quite a lot
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
I wrote a comment on this earlier, but then the forum stopped working for me. Let it just be noted that this is the worst thing you could post. Things have happened, here are three:
Calamitas finding me scummy for theory disagreement.
RR and Jake fighting.
Idplay (I'm really struggling here) pointing out that mafia knows which PRs are in.
Are these big things? No. But instead of being mopey because nothing happens, how about you make something happen? Because that attitude is the most anti-town one there is.
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Also, 1 of the vets (me) gets mislynched quite a lot
Me too I always die D-1 or D-2 despite me claiming even when I'm doctor or cop. Also Faust's case against Big G is strong too and we need a lynch so I implore all to take a hard look at Big G and decide whether he's worthy of your vote or not.
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Because of the intermittent forum access over the past 8 or so hours, we're going to push the deadline back a day.
D1 will end at 2pm forum time on Thursday 8th December.
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Because of the intermittent forum access over the past 8 or so hours, we're going to push the deadline back a day.
D1 will end at 2pm forum time on Thursday 8th December.
Yeeeahhhhh
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Also, 1 of the vets (me) gets mislynched quite a lot
Me too I always die D-1 or D-2 despite me claiming even when I'm doctor or cop. Also Faust's case against Big G is strong too and we need a lynch so I implore all to take a hard look at Big G and decide whether he's worthy of your vote or not.
I did not make a case against gkrieg.
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But I wouldn't particularly mind if he gets lynched now. The only reason against it being his stellar town performance in a recent game that would help us if repeated here.
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Also, 1 of the vets (me) gets mislynched quite a lot
Me too I always die D-1 or D-2 despite me claiming even when I'm doctor or cop. Also Faust's case against Big G is strong too and we need a lynch so I implore all to take a hard look at Big G and decide whether he's worthy of your vote or not.
I did not make a case against gkrieg.
You did or it looks awfully like one to me but my statement still holds true that you all need to take a look at Big G
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Have to say I don't like LaLight's reads list. The timing is bad; coming after some other people doing the same thing, this looks like a thing scum would do that's easy to fake. Then most "would lynchs" are (acti-)lurkers, which is fine, but also very generic.
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Have to say I don't like LaLight's reads list. The timing is bad; coming after some other people doing the same thing, this looks like a thing scum would do that's easy to fake. Then most "would lynchs" are (acti-)lurkers, which is fine, but also very generic.
Eh i did it as far as i had the computer.
Also, Jake, i've made gkrieg case.
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Have to say I don't like LaLight's reads list. The timing is bad; coming after some other people doing the same thing, this looks like a thing scum would do that's easy to fake. Then most "would lynchs" are (acti-)lurkers, which is fine, but also very generic.
Eh i did it as far as i had the computer.
Also, Jake, i've made gkrieg case.
That's good too all cases on Big G have valid points that I think everyone should look and decide whether to lynch him or not
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Have to say I don't like LaLight's reads list. The timing is bad; coming after some other people doing the same thing, this looks like a thing scum would do that's easy to fake. Then most "would lynchs" are (acti-)lurkers, which is fine, but also very generic.
Eh i did it as far as i had the computer.
Also, Jake, i've made gkrieg case.
That's good too all cases on Big G have valid points that I think everyone should look and decide whether to lynch him or not
Anything that will get gkrieg lynched is a good case!
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Have to say I don't like LaLight's reads list. The timing is bad; coming after some other people doing the same thing, this looks like a thing scum would do that's easy to fake. Then most "would lynchs" are (acti-)lurkers, which is fine, but also very generic.
Eh i did it as far as i had the computer.
Also, Jake, i've made gkrieg case.
That's good too all cases on Big G have valid points that I think everyone should look and decide whether to lynch him or not
Anything that will get gkrieg lynched is a good case!
I'm not seeing an actual Gkrieg case here.
Kinda makes me feel worse about LaLight. And Jake kind of as well.
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Ok well truth be told I just copy pasted what LL said because I was very busy and voting from my phone but also mods don't recognize some of my nicknames for people as votes so I have to spell out there names for it to work. Alright so here's what I mean by strange.
In my games with Big G always has fewer than 10 posts D-1 and never gives small short posts. I can give examples if needed. Also in my games with Big G has made a few wise post every couple pages that are very detailed and never posts a lot like now. Also can give examples if needed. In fact in one of the games I played with I accenditly proded him because he didn't post for so long. Also there is no other good D-1 cases besides people trying to grasp at straws against me.
Btw completely separate and not part of my case I just wanna kill a vet D-1 instead of me
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Dylan32 replaces NotTheRealAlec, effective immediately.
NotTheRealAlec may no longer post in this thread. Remaining players must still be careful about not discussing the game with Alec.
Dylan is catching up on the game, and will be present later today.
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Dylan32 replaces NotTheRealAlec, effective immediately.
NotTheRealAlec may no longer post in this thread. Remaining players must still be careful about not discussing the game with Alec.
Dylan is catching up on the game, and will be present later today.
lol Alec was just about to post
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Dylan32 replaces NotTheRealAlec, effective immediately.
NotTheRealAlec may no longer post in this thread. Remaining players must still be careful about not discussing the game with Alec.
Dylan is catching up on the game, and will be present later today.
lol Alec was just about to post
So you do talk about the game with him?
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Dylan32 replaces NotTheRealAlec, effective immediately.
NotTheRealAlec may no longer post in this thread. Remaining players must still be careful about not discussing the game with Alec.
Dylan is catching up on the game, and will be present later today.
lol Alec was just about to post
So you do talk about the game with him?
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I asked him to check the forum and he said he'd been sick and was going to check soon that's it because clearly the prof didn't work so I told him to check the forum that's it
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Anyway, glad to see ya Dylan! What is your alignment?
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Anyway, glad to see ya Dylan! What is your alignment?
Yeah don't care ethier way welcome Dylan what's your role?
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
I wrote a comment on this earlier, but then the forum stopped working for me. Let it just be noted that this is the worst thing you could post. Things have happened, here are three:
Calamitas finding me scummy for theory disagreement.
RR and Jake fighting.
Idplay (I'm really struggling here) pointing out that mafia knows which PRs are in.
Are these big things? No. But instead of being mopey because nothing happens, how about you make something happen? Because that attitude is the most anti-town one there is.
My point was that I commented on all of those things. So his argument that I haven't been present is false.
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I have also defended myself but have yet to see more arguments against my defense from Jake. If you think your case is so good, why aren't you refuting my defenses?
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I have also defended myself but have yet to see more arguments against my defense from Jake. If you think your case is so good, why aren't you refuting my defenses?
I don't know how scummy this will make me but i'm inclined to give you D1 pass here for several reasons such as strong town game from your side and the fact you are always lynched as town D1 so this must have some explanation. I feel scum vibes from you but they are not so strong i want to lynch you here and now.
:3
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I think I've been 'fighting' with Jake less than I normally do.
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
I wrote a comment on this earlier, but then the forum stopped working for me. Let it just be noted that this is the worst thing you could post. Things have happened, here are three:
Calamitas finding me scummy for theory disagreement.
RR and Jake fighting.
Idplay (I'm really struggling here) pointing out that mafia knows which PRs are in.
Are these big things? No. But instead of being mopey because nothing happens, how about you make something happen? Because that attitude is the most anti-town one there is.
I still agree with gkrieg here. Nothing really alignment indicative happened, two of the three events you mentioned weren't at all. So there is pseudo-content but nothing we can really work with (at least not for today).
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How good that I'm voting for this guy.
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Anyway, glad to see ya Dylan! What is your alignment?
Has Dylan played before?
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Also welcome
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Because of the intermittent forum access over the past 8 or so hours, we're going to push the deadline back a day.
D1 will end at 2pm forum time on Thursday 8th December.
Thank goodness for that. Will hopefully give us more time to reach a sensible consensus, rather than the random scramble for lynches that often happens.
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Anyway, glad to see ya Dylan! What is your alignment?
Has Dylan played before?
Yes. He just had a great performance in LaLight's game that just ended. He was town there.
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How good that I'm voting for this guy.
I'm guessing this is directed at Calamitas, but what are you meaning here?
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
I wrote a comment on this earlier, but then the forum stopped working for me. Let it just be noted that this is the worst thing you could post. Things have happened, here are three:
Calamitas finding me scummy for theory disagreement.
RR and Jake fighting.
Idplay (I'm really struggling here) pointing out that mafia knows which PRs are in.
Are these big things? No. But instead of being mopey because nothing happens, how about you make something happen? Because that attitude is the most anti-town one there is.
I still agree with gkrieg here. Nothing really alignment indicative happened, two of the three events you mentioned weren't at all. So there is pseudo-content but nothing we can really work with (at least not for today).
Of those things:
1. Indicates that both faust and Calamitas may be town
2. Says nothing
3. Is an interesting thought, and probably the person who pointed it out is town.
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I have also defended myself but have yet to see more arguments against my defense from Jake. If you think your case is so good, why aren't you refuting my defenses?
I don't know how scummy this will make me but i'm inclined to give you D1 pass here for several reasons such as strong town game from your side and the fact you are always lynched as town D1 so this must have some explanation. I feel scum vibes from you but they are not so strong i want to lynch you here and now.
:3
The phrasing of this gives me a town read on LaLight.
So right now I have town reads on faust, LaLight
mild town read on IDPTG, and Joseph
null on Jake and RR, Dylan as well. Jake was townie until he was role fishing with Dylan, although he has done that before as town.
So I guess that leaves Calamitas?
He hasn't been as active, or sensible as I would've expected. D1 in these small games is hard.
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vote: Calamitas
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How good that I'm voting for this guy.
I'm guessing this is directed at Calamitas, but what are you meaning here?
Well, if someone comes in and says that sucmhunting on D1 is useless, then that's bad. It's worse if that same person earlier had a scum read on me for something he now claims is not alignment-indicative.
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I have also defended myself but have yet to see more arguments against my defense from Jake. If you think your case is so good, why aren't you refuting my defenses?
I don't know how scummy this will make me but i'm inclined to give you D1 pass here for several reasons such as strong town game from your side and the fact you are always lynched as town D1 so this must have some explanation. I feel scum vibes from you but they are not so strong i want to lynch you here and now.
:3
The phrasing of this gives me a town read on LaLight.
So right now I have town reads on faust, LaLight
mild town read on IDPTG, and Joseph
null on Jake and RR, Dylan as well. Jake was townie until he was role fishing with Dylan, although he has done that before as town.
So I guess that leaves Calamitas?
He hasn't been as active, or sensible as I would've expected. D1 in these small games is hard.
In which regard haven't I been sensible?
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How good that I'm voting for this guy.
I'm guessing this is directed at Calamitas, but what are you meaning here?
Well, if someone comes in and says that sucmhunting on D1 is useless, then that's bad. It's worse if that same person earlier had a scum read on me for something he now claims is not alignment-indicative.
I don't think it is anymore. My scumread was based on the feeling that no town-narrative allows this position in regard to the claiming. No I think you genuinely believe that is good for town which eliminates any indication in that regard.
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How good that I'm voting for this guy.
I'm guessing this is directed at Calamitas, but what are you meaning here?
Well, if someone comes in and says that sucmhunting on D1 is useless, then that's bad. It's worse if that same person earlier had a scum read on me for something he now claims is not alignment-indicative.
I don't think it is anymore. My scumread was based on the feeling that no town-narrative allows this position in regard to the claiming. Now I think you genuinely believe that is good for town which eliminates any indication in that regard.
Typo fixed
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I would just say that half the game is vets and also lynching vets is fun because they never get lynched but people look at the case not some tiny thing on the side because the case against Big G is valid and it's the best case we have.
Have to say I don't like LaLight's reads list. The timing is bad; coming after some other people doing the same thing, this looks like a thing scum would do that's easy to fake. Then most "would lynchs" are (acti-)lurkers, which is fine, but also very generic.
Eh i did it as far as i had the computer.
Also, Jake, i've made gkrieg case.
That's good too all cases on Big G have valid points that I think everyone should look and decide whether to lynch him or not
Also, 1 of the vets (me) gets mislynched quite a lot
Me too I always die D-1 or D-2 despite me claiming even when I'm doctor or cop. Also Faust's case against Big G is strong too and we need a lynch so I implore all to take a hard look at Big G and decide whether he's worthy of your vote or not.
Jake, you really need to stop doing this weird tunneling thing D1. I have responded to your case on me. If you want to convince people that I really am scum, you need to respond to my response. Your attitude of just telling everyone that I'm scum and that they need to look at me won't convince anyone, but will impair your ability to actually find scum.
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I have also defended myself but have yet to see more arguments against my defense from Jake. If you think your case is so good, why aren't you refuting my defenses?
I don't know how scummy this will make me but i'm inclined to give you D1 pass here for several reasons such as strong town game from your side and the fact you are always lynched as town D1 so this must have some explanation. I feel scum vibes from you but they are not so strong i want to lynch you here and now.
:3
The phrasing of this gives me a town read on LaLight.
So right now I have town reads on faust, LaLight
mild town read on IDPTG, and Joseph
null on Jake and RR, Dylan as well. Jake was townie until he was role fishing with Dylan, although he has done that before as town.
So I guess that leaves Calamitas?
He hasn't been as active, or sensible as I would've expected. D1 in these small games is hard.
In which regard haven't I been sensible?
I guess it is mainly the active part. I feel like you usually have a say in what is going on, and that it is sensible, so the fact that you haven't been as active and commenting on what has been going on makes it feel like you haven't been as sensible.
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Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...
Also it is quotes like this that downplay the validity of faust's argument.
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I have also defended myself but have yet to see more arguments against my defense from Jake. If you think your case is so good, why aren't you refuting my defenses?
I don't know how scummy this will make me but i'm inclined to give you D1 pass here for several reasons such as strong town game from your side and the fact you are always lynched as town D1 so this must have some explanation. I feel scum vibes from you but they are not so strong i want to lynch you here and now.
:3
The phrasing of this gives me a town read on LaLight.
So right now I have town reads on faust, LaLight
mild town read on IDPTG, and Joseph
null on Jake and RR, Dylan as well. Jake was townie until he was role fishing with Dylan, although he has done that before as town.
So I guess that leaves Calamitas?
He hasn't been as active, or sensible as I would've expected. D1 in these small games is hard.
In which regard haven't I been sensible?
I guess it is mainly the active part. I feel like you usually have a say in what is going on, and that it is sensible, so the fact that you haven't been as active and commenting on what has been going on makes it feel like you haven't been as sensible.
I have never been really active D1 with either alignment, usually I cannot contribute with reads since there is little-none to work with.
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I got that. Now can you answer my questions here:
Did you consider that we might have a theory disagreement? I mean gkrieg thinks the same way I do, and we have more experience in this than you. Are we scumpartners then?
Gkrieg might haven't thought it through, but I still don't like it. Bringing it up the first place is orders of magnitudes worse though.
Or posts like this saying that I might have not it through. Your argument is that you are right, because the person supporting faust didn't think, and not considering the fact that your argument might just be wrong.
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Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...
Also it is quotes like this that downplay the validity of faust's argument.
It still don't believe it is a valid argument, will post my full analysis of the setup tomorrow. Didn't find the time today but tomorrow I will have plenty.
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Didn't realize either that the deadline is so close.
In regard to the "theory" debate I still stand by my position that a PR claim is absolutely horrible. My read on faust has diminished though since he seems to genuinely believe that such a claim would benefit town. I don't see why but I buy that he believes that.
In regard to other reads I have literally nothing to offer. LaLight drives the game forward which is absolutely alignment-unindicative. Rest hasn't said anything particular alignment indicative either.
I mean this just sounds lazy, which is fine, but the rest of your posts revolve solely around what faust has said. You have given nothing else to go on for future days.
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So far, no-one has done anything that seems really very scummy to me. That probably means at least 1 scum is a vet,maybe both. Newbies are more likely to be more obvious as scum.
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From the newbies, I'd say IDPTG is towniest. Absolutely no idea about Alec/Dylan, although I don't much want to lynch someone who's subbed in with 2 days to go in D1. Jake seems crazy, although that might just be how he is.
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And the 6 vets are harder to read, so will need longer rereads
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Will defute Big G's defense if possible tomorrow if not then I'll reread and try to find more lynch canadites
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Hey everyone! Good to be here. gkrieg, thanks for that comment about the game that just ended, although you conveniently left out me screwing up, getting modkilled, and handing the game to scum haha.
Yeah, this game seems like it developed maybe a little bit slower than the other 2 I've been in, but I suppose that's to be expected for a newbie game. If nothing happens this might be tough for me because I've felt like I've been pretty slow at coming up with reads so far previously, but here's my thoughts so far.
gkrieg honestly scares me because he plays such a good town game that I really want him alive, but I just know the game I decide to not be suspicious of him and fully trust him will be the one that he is scum and it bites me in the butt. would not lynch today.
I only have that one previous game with Jake where he was lynched D-1 as the cop. He seems more controlled and toned down which is a good thing regardless of alignment, because I feel like if he keeps this up it'll be easier to judge his content and not just lynch him to keep him from dominating the thread. That may not quite be worth town points, but I do see some improvement that if kept up will make his games less tedious to try to read through to sort out fluff and OMGUS from real content, so props for that!
I don't particularly care for the immediate role fishing by Jake, but considering it was right after LL asking my alignment (obviously town, as you can tell from Alec's rock solid content :D ), I am going to take it for now as more of a joke than scummy.
I don't particularly think faust's idea about the weak PRs claiming was particularly scummy, because there are times when town does have more to gain by outing a PR than not, case in point me outing Robz as scum (prior to screwing up) in LL's game that just ended. Of course this is a different situation than counterclaiming a scum lie, but there are still similar types of pros and cons that must be considered. I don't think it should happen yet, but I don't see faust bringing it up as scummy like Calamitas did.
So far, I think I'm probably most suspicious of Calamitas so far, mainly because I don't care for the "I'm never active D1" because I don't think that is particularly helpful for town. The way he has approached the theory dispute does seem sort of unusual though. Faust clearly explained his points, and the closest Calm got to acknowledging them was basically "I guess he genuinely believes that."
I don't think I've seen anything yet that I can't see someone doing as town, so most of my reads are pretty null to town leaning so far. Although it probably wouldn't take much to swing me either direction so far.
For now I'm going to Vote: Calamitas. I guess this is more of a "he's less townie" vote more so than a "he's most scummy" vote, but that's the best I've got right now.
PPE2
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So
1) LaLight - Innocent Child of this game, see, his name is green!
2) Calamitas - claim stuff. Looks townie from this perspective
3) Jake - As usual hard to read, would lynch.
4) Alec - well, you know
5) Joseph - First meaningful post is #247. Before that nothing at all. Would lynch.
6) Roadrunner - Every post contains the RVS abbreviature. Also, never answered my initial questions. Also may be in a team with Alec? :)
7) IDontPlayThisGame - clear newb!town. Tries to enter the game. One more thought about him I'd better keep to myself for the best.
8 ) Faust - looks townie at everything. yeah, can be a bold scum here, though i don't think so. Feels kinda frustrated? idk. wouldn't lynch, faust is great to be in a team with.
9) GKrieg13 - here we go. my prime suspect. there was a previous case, then this:
I feel like I have actually posted more content than most of the people on your list. I have taken stands on everything that has been going on. I'm actually surprised I'm null on your list honestly.
Yeah? Talking about lynching Jake a lot, agreeing with faust, making a LOT of SHORT posts, and then trying to get me. You feel here as lazy scum trying to hover a flashlight on everyone else (maybe even on your partner (not me)) to make them feel nervous, but without actual case. As if you want a no-lynch in the end. I even see that if you outlive the night you will become the activest of the activest people on D2. I don't know if I'm right, but you're the most suspicious one here. I know that as town you are playing much, much better.
Vote: GKrieg13
Uh, I have been going for a lot of short posts, because I've been playing games much more on feel lately, especially on D1. I think the use of gut for me has been pretty effective lately.
Also D1 is the exact right time for hovering and trying to point the flashlight at people. I want people to feel nervous so I can see who acts normal under the pressure and who doesn't.
I would also argue that I'm usually not as into the game D1, as you can see from the game that just finished that you modded. I feel like most of this case is OMGUS (just a reaction to me calling you scummy)
Also where did I talk about lynching Jake a lot? I think there have only been a few different posts where I have mentioned lynching Jake, and they were all just to get a reaction from Jake. It worked, because I believe Jake is reacting very differently to pressure in this game than he did in his last game, where he was town. He seemed to just shake off the pressure in this game, where he had a sort of doom and gloom, "I'm going to die today, so lynch these people tomorrow" point of view.
Ok so will post my full reads and cases some but for now I will just vote and a short why
Vote: GKrieg13
He is acting very strange will elaborate tomorrow don't kill him before I post my reads.
Just skimmed back through, and I'm surprised I missed this somewhat interesting tidbit. gkrieg says he was just trying to get a reaction from Jake, doesn't even say whether or not he thinks the reaction was scummy, and then Jake votes seemingly OMGUS but says don't kill him? This seems weird: not the OMGUS vote, because Jake reacted the same way to McG and others in M89, but weird like why would you vote and say "Don't kill him"?
gkrieg, do you think the difference in Jake's reaction to the so-called flashlight was more of an alignment-related difference or more of a newbie-improving/changing-his-gameplay difference?
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I'm hoping that it is just Jake maturing. I think he still has many effects from his town play here. His tunneling of me without a very good case, and his OMGUS of me are what I would expect from town!Jake
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Also I think that puts Calamitas at L-1
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I'm hoping that it is just Jake maturing. I think he still has many effects from his town play here. His tunneling of me without a very good case, and his OMGUS of me are what I would expect from town!Jake
It may not be the best case but it's decent when put together with others against you and it's D-1 so your not going to have the best cases on people but yours is by far the strongest.
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I'm hoping that it is just Jake maturing. I think he still has many effects from his town play here. His tunneling of me without a very good case, and his OMGUS of me are what I would expect from town!Jake
It may not be the best case but it's decent when put together with others against you and it's D-1 so your not going to have the best cases on people but yours is by far the strongest.
See you keep making these statements that don't have any backing. Have you looked at what I've put up on Calamitas? Who else have you looked at?
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Vote: GKrieg13
He is acting very strange will elaborate tomorrow don't kill him before I post my reads.
Did Jake ever explain why he doesn't want us to kill the person he's voting for?
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Vote: GKrieg13
He is acting very strange will elaborate tomorrow don't kill him before I post my reads.
Did Jake ever explain why he doesn't want us to kill the person he's voting for?
I don't remember seeing it if he did. It's confusing, but it's also something that is well within the realm of things I could see town!Jake do from the little bit I've seen him play before. That's obviously not a sure thing, but I can kind of see it being more consistent with town than scum!Jake.
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I don't particularly care for the immediate role fishing by Jake, but considering it was right after LL asking my alignment (obviously town, as you can tell from Alec's rock solid content :D ), I am going to take it for now as more of a joke than scummy.
I think it was definitely a joke referencing an early post where faust (I think) asked that of Alec.
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Vote Count 1.LL
faust (1): Calamitas,
Calamitas (3): faust, GKrieg, Dylan32 L-1
Jake (1): Lalight
GKrieg13 (1): Jake
Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, Joseph, IDontPlayThisGame
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This is an interesting bunch of people voting for Calamitas. I'm pretty sure one (or both?) of them is clearly scum. Also, Dylan's putting to L-1 may be either newcomer's mistake or a good faked one.
I see two good possibilities:
1) intent to hammer so if Calamitas flips town we could scumhunt one of three people frankly or he flips scum and it's good after all.
2) start scumhunting now, presuming one of his voters is scum. Actually there might be, because his partner may bus. Yeah, right.
Vote: Dylan32
You should've noticed this is L-1.
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This is an interesting bunch of people voting for Calamitas. I'm pretty sure one (or both?) of them is clearly scum. Also, Dylan's putting to L-1 may be either newcomer's mistake or a good faked one.
I see two good possibilities:
1) intent to hammer so if Calamitas flips town we could scumhunt one of three people frankly or he flips scum and it's good after all.
2) start scumhunting now, presuming one of his voters is scum. Actually there might be, because his partner may bus. Yeah, right.
Vote: Dylan32
You should've noticed this is L-1.
Why are those the only options? Calamitas could just be scum.
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This is an interesting bunch of people voting for Calamitas. I'm pretty sure one (or both?) of them is clearly scum. Also, Dylan's putting to L-1 may be either newcomer's mistake or a good faked one.
I see two good possibilities:
1) intent to hammer so if Calamitas flips town we could scumhunt one of three people frankly or he flips scum and it's good after all.
2) start scumhunting now, presuming one of his voters is scum. Actually there might be, because his partner may bus. Yeah, right.
Vote: Dylan32
You should've noticed this is L-1.
Why are those the only options? Calamitas could just be scum.
bolded it
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If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.
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Vote Count 1.LL
faust (1): Calamitas,
Calamitas (3): faust, GKrieg, Dylan32 L-1
Jake (1): Lalight
GKrieg13 (1): Jake
Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, Joseph, IDontPlayThisGame
Isn't 3 votes L-2?
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This is an interesting bunch of people voting for Calamitas. I'm pretty sure one (or both?) of them is clearly scum. Also, Dylan's putting to L-1 may be either newcomer's mistake or a good faked one.
I see two good possibilities:
1) intent to hammer so if Calamitas flips town we could scumhunt one of three people frankly or he flips scum and it's good after all.
2) start scumhunting now, presuming one of his voters is scum. Actually there might be, because his partner may bus. Yeah, right.
Vote: Dylan32
You should've noticed this is L-1.
Why are those the only options? Calamitas could just be scum.
bolded it
It takes 5 to lynch, and your vote count has it at 3, so it is L-2.
PPE 1
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Right. I am an idiot when it's morning
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Although I must say, I'm intrigued by your attempt to make the fact I joined the game and voted for the person I was most suspicious of into a scum tell, LL. Could be scum trying to manufacture a case out of nothing, or town truly scumhunting using the belief that scum will always vote someone to L-1.
Is that something that is generally seen as a scumtell though? I've seen people make a big deal of L-1 before due to the obvious possibility of an unannounced hammer, but I don't think I've seen scum accusations over that stick in the 2 games I've played. Before someone explains why scum would do that, I do get why scum would want to do it strategically, but is the current meta such that scum would actually be more likely to avoid creating L-1 or is it really a good way to find scum? I guess this is more a question for the vets in the game.
PPE 1: I'm right there with you regarding mornings.
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Ok then.
vote: Calamitas L-1
My whole theory collapsed a little cause it was meant to have 4 votes to lynch.
Ppe: now i am l-1ing. Problem was that you didn't tell that it was l-1. Now it is not a problem anymore
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Ok then.
vote: Calamitas L-1
My whole theory collapsed a little cause it was meant to have 4 votes to lynch.
Ppe: now i am l-1ing. Problem was that you didn't tell that it was l-1. Now it is not a problem anymore
Oh ok, yeah I understand, if it was L-1 and I didn't say it that would have looked and been really bad, so I get where you were coming from.
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Vote: LaLight, that L-1 stuff was just silly.
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Vote: LaLight, that L-1 stuff was just silly.
And you think it was scum!silly?
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So far, no-one has done anything that seems really very scummy to me. That probably means at least 1 scum is a vet,maybe both. Newbies are more likely to be more obvious as scum.
Who do you think would have been obvious as scum? Alec?
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Vote: LaLight, that L-1 stuff was just silly.
And you think it was scum!silly?
I was definitely scummy for the same reason Calamitas' read on me was scummy: It looks like fabricating a read from something that is not alignment-indicative.
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If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.
This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?
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I mean LaLight looks legitimately scummy here, but then the way he treats Calamitas also makes sense as bussing, so that's still a good place for my vote.
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If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.
This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?
Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.
Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.
Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.
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So far, no-one has done anything that seems really very scummy to me. That probably means at least 1 scum is a vet,maybe both. Newbies are more likely to be more obvious as scum.
Who do you think would have been obvious as scum? Alec?
Alec, Jake or IDPTG are probably new enough to probably make mistakes as scum.
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If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.
This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?
Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.
Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.
Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.
Man, yeah, here's my reaction: Vote: LaLight
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If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.
This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?
Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.
Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.
Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.
Man, yeah, here's my reaction: Vote: LaLight
Yeah, that's a reaction too. Reasons?
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Vote Count 1.5
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Not Voting (2): Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.
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Also, i don't know is this argument valid, but what if Alec was scum (and Dylan is)?
Supposedly the former found it very hard to play scum with no way what to do and asked about replacement. People were waiting for reads from him and some more than others (i'm too lazy for searching right now, but RR maybe?). What if these people are his teammates? What do you guys think about this theory?
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Also, i don't know is this argument valid, but what if Alec was scum (and Dylan is)?
Supposedly the former found it very hard to play scum with no way what to do and asked about replacement. People were waiting for reads from him and some more than others (i'm too lazy for searching right now, but RR maybe?). What if these people are his teammates? What do you guys think about this theory?
Assuming he's scum based on nothing would be a crapshoot.
If he is scum, there's also too many people against his lynch to work out the other scum.
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Woah, we're pretty much out of time. Deadline just snuck up. Snuck isn't a word.
I don't feel strongly about Calamitas or LaLight, and it looks like they're the two prime lynch options.
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Woah, we're pretty much out of time. Deadline just snuck up. Snuck isn't a word.
I don't feel strongly about Calamitas or LaLight, and it looks like they're the two prime lynch options.
We have 1,5 day. Who about do you feel more strongly? And I don't think 2/3 votes make us the only two options actually.
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Woah, we're pretty much out of time. Deadline just snuck up. Snuck isn't a word.
I don't feel strongly about Calamitas or LaLight, and it looks like they're the two prime lynch options.
We have 1,5 day. Who about do you feel more strongly? And I don't think 2/3 votes make us the only two options actually.
I'd have to reread, but I think, if it came down to Calamitas vs. LaLight, I'd vote Calamitas.
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Well my town read definitely faded on LaLight.
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Well my town read definitely faded on LaLight.
Huh, why?
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Ok so I have never seen LL as scum but he's panicking way more than usual and I think that LL could be scum here so favoring a LL lynch also still suspicious of Big G but won't lynch him anymore today after a reread I did.
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Ok so I have never seen LL as scum but he's panicking way more than usual and I think that LL could be scum here so favoring a LL lynch also still suspicious of Big G but won't lynch him anymore today after a reread I did.
Panicking? What do you mean?
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I just never feel good about lynching LaLight. Especially not D1.
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I just never feel good about lynching LaLight. Especially not D1.
What do you mean I've never even seen him lynched
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Now the setup post I have promised:
First, we have to look into the very nature of PRs in this game. The power of PRs in this setup is separated into two different branches. One the one hand there is the actual power, varying from PR to PR.
The second part is the claiming nature of PRs in this setup. Each power role automatically becomes an IC in an instant as soon as they choose to claim if no immediate counterclaim follows. This applies at any given stage of the game, whether it is D1 or L-1.
Now, let's look into traits that make an IC that powerful. Primarily, an IC is a town player that is just out of the lynch pool (Besides from the sheeping aspect of that role). So, a new IC reduces the lynchpool by 1 without taking a player out of the game. Thereby, the chance of hitting scum with the lynch increases. The concrete numbers are dependent on the number of players alive, it is important to note though that a new IC never puts the chance of hitting a scum above 50% (That number is reached at LyLo). Today, the chance of hitting a scum would increase from 2/9 (~22.2%) to 2/8 (25%). The less players are still alive, the more an additional IC benefits. (With n players and m scums alive, the difference an IC makes is m/(n-1) - m/n which gets larger the smaller n gets)
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Meanwhile, killing an IC is desirable for scum since they reduce the number of townies alive bringing them closer to their victory condition without giving town any info and without reducing the lynchpool.
In the case of a claim, scum might choose to counterclaim. This also applies at any given stage. A counterclaim would always narrow down the lynchpool to two players, giving town a 50% chance of hitting scum.
Therefore, counterclaiming/fakeclaiming never weakens towns chance of hitting scum (taking only lynchpool size into account) in comparison to letting the IC happening (see above). Actually, it is almost always worse (besides from LyLo where it doesn't matter). Therefore, counterclaims/fakeclaims are very unlikely to happen since they would worsen scums situation. And if they occur it is even to towns benefit.
Obviously, the IC-side of some PRs is stronger that their actual power (e.g. weak visitor). But we shouldn't make them claim today except a PR gets actually close to getting hammered. The positive impact of having a PR claim today without necessity is basically null. We can easily ensure that we don't misslynch one by pointing out L-1s and intends to hammer and making sure a player get a few last words in before the hammer falls. Otherwise we just waste a lot of potential, even though the powers themselves might be not that strong. The question is not whether we use PRs as ICs or as default PRs but rather how to use both aspects of the PRs as effective as possible. And making them claim D1 without any need and without any virtual benefit (and giving up both aspects of them that way) is just outright stupid. The longer we have our PR lingering around the stronger they get. In a 3 player LyLo a live PR makes the difference between a ~33% chance of hitting scum and a ~50% chance of hitting the scum. Additionally, they are able to use their power.
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I just never feel good about lynching LaLight. Especially not D1.
What do you mean I've never even seen him lynched
well you're a new player, aren't you?
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Ok so I have never seen LL as scum but he's panicking way more than usual and I think that LL could be scum here so favoring a LL lynch also still suspicious of Big G but won't lynch him anymore today after a reread I did.
Panicking? What do you mean?
You're spam posting and asking tons of questions but not proposing other lynch candidates.
This is my 4th game with LL and Iv'e never seen him lynched
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Ok so I have never seen LL as scum but he's panicking way more than usual and I think that LL could be scum here so favoring a LL lynch also still suspicious of Big G but won't lynch him anymore today after a reread I did.
Panicking? What do you mean?
You're spam posting and asking tons of questions but not proposing other lynch candidates.
This is my 4th game with LL and Iv'e never seen him lynched
Well, I proposed you, gkrieg, Calamitas. Is it not a lot?
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Ok so I have never seen LL as scum but he's panicking way more than usual and I think that LL could be scum here so favoring a LL lynch also still suspicious of Big G but won't lynch him anymore today after a reread I did.
Panicking? What do you mean?
You're spam posting and asking tons of questions but not proposing other lynch candidates.
This is my 4th game with LL and Iv'e never seen him lynched
Well, I proposed you, gkrieg, Calamitas. Is it not a lot?
Cases Please?
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
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I just never feel good about lynching LaLight. Especially not D1.
What do you mean I've never even seen him lynched
well you're a new player, aren't you?
I've never been lynched. That doesn't mean though you need to lynch me now.
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Ok so I have never seen LL as scum but he's panicking way more than usual and I think that LL could be scum here so favoring a LL lynch also still suspicious of Big G but won't lynch him anymore today after a reread I did.
Panicking? What do you mean?
You're spam posting and asking tons of questions but not proposing other lynch candidates.
This is my 4th game with LL and Iv'e never seen him lynched
Well, I proposed you, gkrieg, Calamitas. Is it not a lot?
Cases Please?
I've made them and you can find them. I'm on the phone. What about making uour own case? On me or gkrieg? Based on reads?
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
I'm not the one who needs to make cases against them and How many votes does LL have
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Also Vote: LaLight I think this is L-1
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
I'm not the one who needs to make cases against them and How many votes does LL have
Then you don't understand Mafia sadly :)
It's L-2, Jake, Joseph, faust (note: faust was on both wagons)
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
I'm not the one who needs to make cases against them and How many votes does LL have
If we're not making cases against people, I'm voting WW because I was told that guy's scum.
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
What does this mean? Wh are LaLight's cases any more biased than Jake's?
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
I'm not the one who needs to make cases against them and How many votes does LL have
Then you don't understand Mafia sadly :)
It's L-2, Jake, Joseph, faust (note: faust was on both wagons)
I would like to see what your opinions/cases on people are and there's no such thing as a biased case there's just people's case and LL if you don't wanna be lynch give us a better option
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Cases Please?
Why don't you reread/make them yourself? They'll be biased if LaLight makes them
I feel like it is a bit of a double standard to demand Jake makes a case everytime he throws a name out and then to call him out when he requests the same of someone else. Now if your point was that LL already made them and he should go back and read it, that's one thing, but if you are just telling Jake to reread the thread and not worry about LL's reads, that sounds bad.
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If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.
This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?
Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.
Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.
Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.
Man, yeah, here's my reaction: Vote: LaLight
Yeah, that's a reaction too. Reasons?
I have laid out reasons right before this post; in your words "I've made them and you can find them".
In addition, this post is bad because you're trying to talk away your earlier townread on Calamitas. You have been inconsistent in your Calamitas read, which at first is not scummy, but the way you try to explain that inconsistency away is scummy. This is the read:
2) Calamitas - claim stuff. Looks townie from this perspective
You don't get to say that this is not a townread.
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Won't quote not to make a huge pyramid.
I have read him as townie and even now i kinda read him as townie. My vote was not pointed to immediate lynching, i wanted a reaction. And even when i read someone town how can i be sure? Especially now? There are two people i want to give d1 pass: idtpg and you. Others are !potentially in a lynchpool. That's what was my vote
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Right now, the people I would probably be okay lynching are {LL, Gkrieg, Jake, RR}. Not getting town reads from them, and everyone else (-Alec/Dylan, which we know almost 0 about) I think are towny for now.
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My computer is in my hands again yay!
So, the first thing is:
Post Count
Jake: 39
Calamitas: 29
Alec/Dylan: 9
gkrieg: 43
IDPTG: 27
Joseph: 26
faust: 58
LaLight: 69
RoadRunner: 26
I don't say this automatically should IC me, I'm saying I was really contributing to the game.
First things first: I am sorry if any of my words seemed rude/inappropriate, most of the time I'm sitting on the phone and it's not convenient to search for my previous posts. Next time I will do it of course. Sorry again.
I don't want to make a huge quoting post, so excuse me, I'm gonna make it like this:
Gkrieg:
43 posts overall:
Fluff (13/43) (means not only the fluff itself, but also when gkrieg splitted one post into 2. One of them is in this category)
#137, #173, #188, #208, #242, #255, #267, #270, #277, #279, #320, #331, #339
Questions/Answers without contribution to the game (13/43):
#145, #197, #266, #307, #308, #325, #329, #343, #349, #374
#89, #101, #167 - agreeing with faust (my case was made in #148)
Useful posts (14/43):
#168, #172, #232, #234, #252, #257, #261, #276, #316, #317, #319, #326, #327, #340
Two posts I want to underline:
#251 (4/14 useful posts):
So I'll say something about 8 and 9 of your list. scum!faust would definitely take a risk like that, but if you really read his argument, you can see that he is actually right, and was not saying we should mass claim, but that certain PRs would be better as IC (by them claiming) than being what they really are.
I feel like I have actually posted more content than most of the people on your list. I have taken stands on everything that has been going on. I'm actually surprised I'm null on your list honestly.
#271:
And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
That post was mentioned and it is still a bad one. Many happened at that point.
I've lost one post somewhere. Anyway, this is the case. I still felt gkrieg being scummy and decided to look through his game. As you can see his game was 1/3 useful roughly. And the useful things include the answers on questions (i put them there cause they're useful for him to not be lynched). After rereading every written gkrieg's word I will return to Vote: gkrieg and won't switch unless my vote will be needed to avoid no lynch.
That's almost all.
One more thing, which is really important for me. I don't know if you feel this, but i have a slight feeling of negative atmosphere in this game. If everything is fine, I'm sorry, will try to calm this feeling :) If not, please, try to calm down and have fun from this game. I know you're all nice people :)
PPE: 1
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Post Count
Jake: 39
Calamitas: 29
Alec/Dylan: 9
gkrieg: 43
IDPTG: 27
Joseph: 26
faust: 58
LaLight: 69
RoadRunner: 26
So I've managed as many posts as most other people, despite only being here 3-4 days?
That's what I'm taking from those stats.
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Post Count
Jake: 39
Calamitas: 29
Alec/Dylan: 9
gkrieg: 43
IDPTG: 27
Joseph: 26
faust: 58
LaLight: 69
RoadRunner: 26
So I've managed as many posts as most other people, despite only being here 3-4 days?
That's what I'm taking from those stats.
Well, yes, as you can see it.
RR is kinda lurking, IDPTG is posting rarely though kinda good posts, Calamitas is posting rarely but hugely.
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RR is kinda lurking, IDPTG is posting rarely though kinda good posts, Calamitas is posting rarely but hugely.
Calamitas also posts kinda uselessly. I mean, he spent all that energy on his theory post when it's already clear that nobody will claim, and we still do not know who he wants to lynch.
That LaLight post is up and down. The frustration about being a lynch candidate despite being the most active I see as a towny thing, but then the case in gkrieg is such a mess. Like after reading the whole post, I still don't quite get how gkrieg is supposed to be scummy. Worse, the "won't switch my vote" statement... like how do you know? How can you determine something like that 1 day before deadline? Scummier stuff might still definitely happen. It seems more like scum trying to appear reasonable. So uh.
Then on the other hand, man, I prefer lynching lurkers over active players, and Calamitas is still scummy. So ugh.
Finally, I want to apologize in case I appeared unfriendly. I get a bit intense at times, and then I'm not always nice to people. Just let it be said that regardless of what's going on in the particular game, I think that LaLight is a great addition to our little mafia community and I look forward to many more games with him.
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That LaLight post is up and down. The frustration about being a lynch candidate despite being the most active I see as a towny thing, but then the case in gkrieg is such a mess. Like after reading the whole post, I still don't quite get how gkrieg is supposed to be scummy. Worse, the "won't switch my vote" statement... like how do you know? How can you determine something like that 1 day before deadline? Scummier stuff might still definitely happen. It seems more like scum trying to appear reasonable. So uh.
Finally, I want to apologize in case I appeared unfriendly. I get a bit intense at times, and then I'm not always nice to people. Just let it be said that regardless of what's going on in the particular game, I think that LaLight is a great addition to our little mafia community and I look forward to many more games with him.
I'm not a scum. I'm saying things like "won't switch" given the "now" situation. I actually don't think something scummier will happen, there's 9 people and 3,5 of them are active.
Thank you very much, faust. I do appreciate it.
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First, it hasn't been clear at all. You, IDPTG, gkrieg and LaLight(?) tended to think positevely about claiming. Also, my post explains my position I had on you/gkrieg.
Additionally, this stuff is insanely important way beyond D1.
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I'm not a scum. I'm saying things like "won't switch" given the "now" situation. I actually don't think something scummier will happen, there's 9 people and 3,5 of them are active.
And yet you are voting for one of the actives.
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I'm not a scum. I'm saying things like "won't switch" given the "now" situation. I actually don't think something scummier will happen, there's 9 people and 3,5 of them are active.
And yet you are voting for one of the actives.
Yes, because his activeness looks scummy. I get the idea "lynch all lurkers" but I'm still thinking gkrieg is scum.
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Yeah, RR has been a little lurky guys. Sorry.
On D1 though, I don't have too much to add, and if I play like Jake does I usually just get a target on my back, both from lynches (if I say the wrong thing) and front night kills.
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I feel like RR and me should get a break because we're missed the first 3 days of the game but still RR is lurking but LL makes a solid point so I would be fine with
IDTPG, RR for lurking
Calm, LL, and Big G for their cases
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I don't think I've been excessively lurking, I feel like I've been posting less than RR normally does, which is quite a lot.
I also feel like Jake is either agreeing with everything and/or trying to push pretty much any lynch, which would be scummy but it's Jake so who knows.
Also to Jake: The user Calamitas is spelled C-a-l-a, not c-a-l-m. Has no one else noticed this?
Back to the game and cases at hand, I'm relatively comfortable with lynching Calamitas, anyone else I'd be less cool with.
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I don't think I've been excessively lurking, I feel like I've been posting less than RR normally does, which is quite a lot.
I think the times when RR posted a lot are gone for quite some time already. You're about at your normal activity and content level.
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Also, there is too much complaints about lurking and not having reads. This game started slowly, but now we're 400 posts in; that's enough to have some reads.
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I also don't really understand the last post about me from LaLight. I'm clearly never just posting to post, so an analysis of how many posts I have to fluff ratio doesn't say anything. I actually feel like I have a very townie balance
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I would also like to listen something from idptg.
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I also don't really understand the last post about me from LaLight. I'm clearly never just posting to post, so an analysis of how many posts I have to fluff ratio doesn't say anything. I actually feel like I have a very townie balance
For scum? :)
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And also there hasn't been much to comment on in this game. No one has really done anything. If you don't believe me, name 3 things that have happened in this game.
Also this post is slightly out of context. Jake is saying that I haven't made useful contributions so I tell him not much has been going on and ask him to name 3 things specifically so that he can name three things and I can prove his point wrong by showing that I had commented on all of those. I've taken major stands on multiple people. Going off of the percent of my posts that are useful by your definition is such a bad metric. Look at the number of useful posts and why they have been useful.
Also you are skewing it by counting my posts with content that are split into two posts as fluff, which automatically will make the percentage lower. If you think about it that is counting a "good"post as a "bad" post instead of not counting it at all.
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Also the negative atmosphere might be caused by me, as I'm actually getting annoyed with the cases on me. None of them have actually said something scummy I've done. Looking at %fluff is a bad metric anyway, as proven a couple of games ago with faust, and even more recently in the game I self-hammered.
Jake meanwhile picks up any post with anti-gkrieg sentiment and adds it to his "case" on me. It is like he doesn't actually process the information that is inside the post, but just says "ya that guy is right" just because they also think I'm scummy.
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I feel like RR and me should get a break because we're missed the first 3 days of the game but still RR is lurking but LL makes a solid point so I would be fine with
IDTPG, RR for lurking
Calm, LL, and Big G for their cases
I'm not sure what getting a break means, but you aren't getting one.
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I don't think I've been excessively lurking, I feel like I've been posting less than RR normally does, which is quite a lot.
I also feel like Jake is either agreeing with everything and/or trying to push pretty much any lynch, which would be scummy but it's Jake so who knows.
Also to Jake: The user Calamitas is spelled C-a-l-a, not c-a-l-m. Has no one else noticed this?
Back to the game and cases at hand, I'm relatively comfortable with lynching Calamitas, anyone else I'd be less cool with.
If you compare this D1, to your D1 in M89, you will see that there you were actively contributing to the game and trying to put together cases on people instead of just saying that nothing was happening in the thread.
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Also the negative atmosphere might be caused by me, as I'm actually getting annoyed with the cases on me. None of them have actually said something scummy I've done. Looking at %fluff is a bad metric anyway, as proven a couple of games ago with faust, and even more recently in the game I self-hammered.
Jake meanwhile picks up any post with anti-gkrieg sentiment and adds it to his "case" on me. It is like he doesn't actually process the information that is inside the post, but just says "ya that guy is right" just because they also think I'm scummy.
Hey, I'm sorry! Don't take it so seriously please, that was the best case i could gather then.
I put double-posts into fluff category, cause the may be done the way that you look more active overall, that was my point. I'm okay if this is not so, i'm still relatively newbie too! Jake always does like this, this is just him playing mafia his own way. Don't selfhammer please if you are town, okay? I was trying to put my gut feeling into words, that's it.
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It's still a newbie game and my weak spot is still that I can't formulate thoughts well. I'm trying to learn.
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So right now I doubt Gkrieg & LL are on the same time.
Just need to find the scum one.
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So right now I doubt Gkrieg & LL are on the same time.
Just need to find the scum one.
That is definitely not me.
Why do you think so? Explain please :)
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
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Also the negative atmosphere might be caused by me, as I'm actually getting annoyed with the cases on me. None of them have actually said something scummy I've done. Looking at %fluff is a bad metric anyway, as proven a couple of games ago with faust, and even more recently in the game I self-hammered.
Jake meanwhile picks up any post with anti-gkrieg sentiment and adds it to his "case" on me. It is like he doesn't actually process the information that is inside the post, but just says "ya that guy is right" just because they also think I'm scummy.
Hey, I'm sorry! Don't take it so seriously please, that was the best case i could gather then.
I put double-posts into fluff category, cause the may be done the way that you look more active overall, that was my point. I'm okay if this is not so, i'm still relatively newbie too! Jake always does like this, this is just him playing mafia his own way. Don't selfhammer please if you are town, okay? I was trying to put my gut feeling into words, that's it.
Oh I'm not going to self-hammer here. I just saying that there isn't much point to fluff cases anyway.
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
It's not, it's flavor name.
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
It's not, it's flavor name.
No thanks I'm not doing that
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
It's not, it's flavor name.
No thanks I'm not doing that
Why not?
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I feel like RR and me should get a break because we're missed the first 3 days of the game but still RR is lurking but LL makes a solid point so I would be fine with
IDTPG, RR for lurking
Calm, LL, and Big G for their cases
I'm not sure what getting a break means, but you aren't getting one.
We were both gone the first 3 days of D-1 so our post counts may not be that high like when I left we were on page 3 and when I got back it was like page 10. Just saying
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
It's not, it's flavor name.
No thanks I'm not doing that
Why not?
lol because I'm not claiming/flavor naming for no reason
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lol because I'm not claiming/flavor naming for no reason
Vote: Jake
What's the harm in claiming your flavor name?
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Also will post all reads on everyone in about a hour or two
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lol because I'm not claiming/flavor naming for no reason
Vote: Jake
What's the harm in claiming your flavor name?
You can lynch me and I'm not giving my flavor name or role because this game I refuse to use it as a defense. This is not a scum tell it's just me trying to defend myself without a claim
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lol because I'm not claiming/flavor naming for no reason
Vote: Jake
What's the harm in claiming your flavor name?
You can lynch me and I'm not giving my flavor name or role because this game I refuse to use it as a defense. This is not a scum tell it's just me trying to defend myself without a claim
Why do you refuse to give your flavor name? That's really odd, but also scummy.
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lol because I'm not claiming/flavor naming for no reason
Vote: Jake
What's the harm in claiming your flavor name?
You can lynch me and I'm not giving my flavor name or role because this game I refuse to use it as a defense. This is not a scum tell it's just me trying to defend myself without a claim
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Okay, you do you.
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Okay, you do you.
It's fun you should join
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I would also like to listen something from idptg.
With regards to this and my low post count, I'm still trying to find things to say. I don't think I really have a handle on how to go about playing mafia. I can post read updates, but I don't think that moves the game forward. Also, there was about a day where I was kinda VLA though I didn't announce it.
So. What would you like to hear? I'll be able to post something in a few hours when I'm off work.
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I would also like to listen something from idptg.
With regards to this and my low post count, I'm still trying to find things to say. I don't think I really have a handle on how to go about playing mafia. I can post read updates, but I don't think that moves the game forward. Also, there was about a day where I was kinda VLA though I didn't announce it.
So. What would you like to hear? I'll be able to post something in a few hours when I'm off work.
What do you think about our main lynch candidates? LaLight, Calamitas, maybe gkrieg?
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Jake, your lynch depends on whether or not you claim your flavor name. I strongly, strongly urge you to do so.
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Ok reads list
Jake- AWSOME
LL- Possible scum but would still prefer Big G
Calm- Haven't heard a lot from him so would like him too post more
Dylan- Wouldn't lynch too new to the game but null
Joseph- Town read for now
RR- Really don't like him pressuring me heavily for my flavor name so would lynch and very suspicious of.
IDPTG- Needs to post more
faust- town read
Big G- Don't like how hes playing differently so my favorite lynch target
Vote: Big G
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Ok reads list
Jake- AWSOME
LL- Possible scum but would still prefer Big G
Calm- Haven't heard a lot from him so would like him too post more
Dylan- Wouldn't lynch too new to the game but null
Joseph- Town read for now
RR- Really don't like him pressuring me heavily for my flavor name so would lynch and very suspicious of.
IDPTG- Needs to post more
faust- town read
Big G- Don't like how hes playing differently so my favorite lynch target
Vote: Big G
How am I playing differently?
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Ok so now for the flavor game. I'm going to give 9 flavor names and you people have to find the right one
1. Mike Lawson
2. Blip Sanders
3. Jake Gregorian
4. Julia George
5. Marissa Morgan
6. Hayes Morrison
7. Sam Spencer
8. Jack Dalton
9. Riley Davis
You have till the end of D-1
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Ok reads list
Jake- AWSOME
LL- Possible scum but would still prefer Big G
Calm- Haven't heard a lot from him so would like him too post more
Dylan- Wouldn't lynch too new to the game but null
Joseph- Town read for now
RR- Really don't like him pressuring me heavily for my flavor name so would lynch and very suspicious of.
IDPTG- Needs to post more
faust- town read
Big G- Don't like how hes playing differently so my favorite lynch target
Vote: Big G
How am I playing differently?
Your posting far more frequently and talking very differently. By differently I mean that you are not posting just reads and cases like you have in other games and in others you almost never post D-1 but your posting a ton here.
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Not true. I posted this much in the game where I got mislynched D1
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Not true. I posted this much in the game where I got mislynched D1
What one?
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Ok so now for the flavor game. I'm going to give 9 flavor names and you people have to find the right one
1. Mike Lawson
2. Blip Sanders
3. Jake Gregorian
4. Julia George
5. Marissa Morgan
6. Hayes Morrison
7. Sam Spencer
8. Jack Dalton
9. Riley Davis
You have till the end of D-1
Is your flavor name actually one of these?
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Not true. I posted this much in the game where I got mislynched D1
What one?
Worms Armageddon mafia.
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Ok so now for the flavor game. I'm going to give 9 flavor names and you people have to find the right one
1. Mike Lawson
2. Blip Sanders
3. Jake Gregorian
4. Julia George
5. Marissa Morgan
6. Hayes Morrison
7. Sam Spencer
8. Jack Dalton
9. Riley Davis
You have till the end of D-1
Is your flavor name actually one of these?
They're all TV characters, although there are some real people with those names, including a railroad exec.
I'll answer faust in a bit.
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I would also like to listen something from idptg.
With regards to this and my low post count, I'm still trying to find things to say. I don't think I really have a handle on how to go about playing mafia. I can post read updates, but I don't think that moves the game forward. Also, there was about a day where I was kinda VLA though I didn't announce it.
So. What would you like to hear? I'll be able to post something in a few hours when I'm off work.
What do you think about our main lynch candidates? LaLight, Calamitas, maybe gkrieg?
In order:
LaLight: Miscalculating L-1 after a vote count was a bit odd but I don't think it's a scumslip, mainly because I don't see what scum stands to gain from it. Aside from that, I still think he's just being helpful and there isn't much to read from those comments. The analysis of gkrieg's posts was also strange, but it didn't seem scummy. Town to null.
Calamitas: Overwhelmingly, the main thing I remember here is setup discussion. I think his recent post of his full analysis of why PRs shouldn't claim isn't so much scum belaboring the point as it is Calamitas wanting to finish his say on the matter. That nothing else stands out could be telling. Null to scum-ish
gkrieg13: He's been posting a lot and I don't see the flashlight thing being indicative of that much. I share Dylan's sentiment though, that the game we trust gkrieg is the game he's scum. Town read.
After all that, I guess the scummiest is Calamitas, but I don't think he's scum. I can't put forward anyone that I really think is though. I have a feeling that either faust or gkrieg is scum but I don't know why.
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Ok so now for the flavor game. I'm going to give 9 flavor names and you people have to find the right one
1. Mike Lawson
2. Blip Sanders
3. Jake Gregorian
4. Julia George
5. Marissa Morgan
6. Hayes Morrison
7. Sam Spencer
8. Jack Dalton
9. Riley Davis
You have till the end of D-1
Is your flavor name actually one of these?
They're all TV characters, although there are some real people with those names, including a railroad exec.
I'll answer faust in a bit.
I was waiting too see how long that took to be called out god job IDPTG. Also calm is always lynch D-1 as town so let's try not to lynch him for just not doing much because he never does much in D-1 anyways
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
It's not, it's flavor name.
No thanks I'm not doing that
So, looks like scumhunting is working after all. Here we have our first one for instance.
Thing is: As many of you noticed, we don't have flavour names
Jake's refusal comes from the fact that he doesn't know it and town player would ask the mod about it. "Why is it written I'm Vanilla Townie without a name"? Or even tell us "There's no flavor name that i can see in the description of my role". But no. It's a refusal from Jake. Obvious scum i suppose, tell me if not so.
Vote: Jake
P.S. faust, you were right, nore scumme thing happened, but I triggered it :-P
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in the P.S. nore scumme is more scummy, sorry about that, got up 5 minutes ago.
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13.5 hours till deadline. I don't see how Jake can get away with that.
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13.5 hours till deadline. I don't see how Jake can get away with that.
Ya I'm still confused by it honestly. I mean scum also don't have flavor names presumably? Like it would be a scum slip for anyone else, but for Jake I'm not sure yet. I'll sleep on it
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
Dylan is kinda conf!town for this.
RR is townieish for helping me.
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13.5 hours till deadline. I don't see how Jake can get away with that.
Ya I'm still confused by it honestly. I mean scum also don't have flavor names presumably? Like it would be a scum slip for anyone else, but for Jake I'm not sure yet. I'll sleep on it
There's also the part where he said he had a flavor name. I don't think town!jake would go through the effort to come up with nine names (granted, they're probably from the shows he watches).
That said, I don't feel good about another D1 Jake lynch. Not willing to vote just yet.
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You have till the end of D-1
You should not have put that there if you didn't want me to spend 5 seconds googling those names.
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Here i see ThisGame (cool, huh?) on scummy side. He agrees with my theory and do not vote because it's "another d1 Jake lynch". Hm, yeah, so? He still can be and looks like mafia with great probability.
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I'll be around for the deadline. There's plenty of time for me to see how this plays out and decide a little later. I'd rather not vote now and wake up to Jake being hammered after saying something that would sway me (if he flips town of course).
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13.5 hours till deadline. I don't see how Jake can get away with that.
Ya I'm still confused by it honestly. I mean scum also don't have flavor names presumably? Like it would be a scum slip for anyone else, but for Jake I'm not sure yet. I'll sleep on it
There's also the part where he said he had a flavor name. I don't think town!jake would go through the effort to come up with nine names (granted, they're probably from the shows he watches).
That said, I don't feel good about another D1 Jake lynch. Not willing to vote just yet.
Town!Jake might not go through the effort, but what does scum!Jake have to gain by going through it? This is another example of Jake doing something that confuses the living daylights out of me, but I'm to the point I just don't think it is really alignment indicative.
Although, after a few more seconds of thought, it could be scum!Jake's way of diverting the conversation onto the names themselves instead of letting us actually analyze him since he seemed to count on someone recognizing the names. On the other hand, I do start to feel bad when I continuously try to read scum into Jake's game. Honestly, I think one of my biggest hesitations about voting for Jake is that I would probably feel bad watching someone who is relatively new get mislynched D1 two games in a row if he turns out to actually be town. If he is lynched and flips scum, then I wouldn't feel bad at all; but I know what it feels like to feel ganged up on in mafia from irl games and it sucks to feel like people are ganging up on you and are going to lynch you early every game.
His town read might have slipped a bit in my mind overall, although I could see his initial strong denial coming from the same misconception I had regarding flavor names not being the same as VT or PR, so I would rather not see Jake lynched today, but my read on him is so weak that there isn't much that would make me refuse to vote for him if there are no better options.
PPE 3
I'll be around for the deadline. There's plenty of time for me to see how this plays out and decide a little later. I'd rather not vote now and wake up to Jake being hammered after saying something that would sway me (if he flips town of course).
This basically echoes my thoughts too. I should be around for roughly an hour before the deadline, but I'll be playing basketball from 11am server time for an hour or two, so I guess that timeframe should have some give or take to it.
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Jake, tell us your flavor name, please.
I thought there wasn't supposed to be a claim today. Why would he tell you that? Or is flavor name not the same as VT or role name?
It's not, it's flavor name.
No thanks I'm not doing that
So, looks like scumhunting is working after all. Here we have our first one for instance.
Thing is: As many of you noticed, we don't have flavour names
Jake's refusal comes from the fact that he doesn't know it and town player would ask the mod about it. "Why is it written I'm Vanilla Townie without a name"? Or even tell us "There's no flavor name that i can see in the description of my role". But no. It's a refusal from Jake. Obvious scum i suppose, tell me if not so.
Vote: Jake
P.S. faust, you were right, nore scumme thing happened, but I triggered it :-P
Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
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Here i see ThisGame (cool, huh?) on scummy side. He agrees with my theory and do not vote because it's "another d1 Jake lynch". Hm, yeah, so? He still can be and looks like mafia with great probability.
It is probably a mistake to base all your reads off the same thing.
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have. Jake started flailing there and talking he won't claim. This might happen if he is scum and looked through scum QT and didn't find the name and thought the townies might have one.
PPE: 1
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Here i see ThisGame (cool, huh?) on scummy side. He agrees with my theory and do not vote because it's "another d1 Jake lynch". Hm, yeah, so? He still can be and looks like mafia with great probability.
It is probably a mistake to base all your reads off the same thing.
Okay, taking a possibility this is not a legit scumslip, I'm wrong of course. Though i still think it is. Why is it not? What is town in Jake's behaviour?
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Here i see ThisGame (cool, huh?) on scummy side. He agrees with my theory and do not vote because it's "another d1 Jake lynch". Hm, yeah, so? He still can be and looks like mafia with great probability.
It is probably a mistake to base all your reads off the same thing.
Okay, taking a possibility this is not a legit scumslip, I'm wrong of course. Though i still think it is. Why is it not? What is town in Jake's behaviour?
For the same flailing reason that it's a scum slip, it could be a PR slip.
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.
Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.
Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?
If the scum is immature as a scum. That's why i was choosing between Jake, ThisGame and Dylan to ask the question, i know that you for example wouldn't be caught up. Jake looks like fast-decision person so it was a good chance to catch him on it.
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.
Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?
If the scum is immature as a scum. That's why i was choosing between Jake, ThisGame and Dylan to ask the question, i know that you for example wouldn't be caught up. Jake looks like fast-decision person so it was a good chance to catch him on it.
I don't buy that you think that scum!Jake wouldn't get the idea to ask the mod, but town!Jake would. There's just no reason to think that.
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.
Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?
If the scum is immature as a scum. That's why i was choosing between Jake, ThisGame and Dylan to ask the question, i know that you for example wouldn't be caught up. Jake looks like fast-decision person so it was a good chance to catch him on it.
I don't buy that you think that scum!Jake wouldn't get the idea to ask the mod, but town!Jake would. There's just no reason to think that.
This
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Calling it right here: This is a diversion tactic. The question gets asked when LaLight is under pressure and close to being lynched. LaLight asks Jake and not another newbie because he knows that Jake is most likely to do something stupid that he can paint as scummy and because he knows that Jake is an easy mislynch.
Vote: LaLight
May be L-1.
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There's also the thing that town should realize how this question and this discussion could easily out PRs. Scum just doesn't care and is more likely to not consider it.
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Vote Count please?
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Calling it right here: This is a diversion tactic. The question gets asked when LaLight is under pressure and close to being lynched. LaLight asks Jake and not another newbie because he knows that Jake is most likely to do something stupid that he can paint as scummy and because he knows that Jake is an easy mislynch.
Vote: LaLight
May be L-1.
Okay, that was the plan I was holding for some time.
And you are already voting me.
And that was not intended to out a PR, in what way does it out them? How?
PPE: 1
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
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Vote Count 1.LaLight
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
gkrieg13 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (2): Roadrunner, Lalight
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
PPE: 1
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
It wouldn't. No one has flavor names, I have told about it.
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Hey, I feel fine about lynching me, it's not that I'm trying to keep record of 0 lynches whatsoever, it's just we can lynch scum instead! And that was the way to find one, maybe bad one, but still.
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
It wouldn't. No one has flavor names, I have told about it.
But other VTs might not have known, thus exposing their VT-ness.
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Hey, I feel fine about lynching me, it's not that I'm trying to keep record of 0 lynches whatsoever, it's just we can lynch scum instead! And that was the way to find one, maybe bad one, but still.
Lies. There's no way you don't want to keep your streak of 0 lynches in all 7 games alive.
PPE: 1
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Hey, I feel fine about lynching me, it's not that I'm trying to keep record of 0 lynches whatsoever, it's just we can lynch scum instead! And that was the way to find one, maybe bad one, but still.
Lies. There's no way you don't want to keep your streak of 0 lynches in all 7 games alive.
PPE: 1
It's just I'm always too townie and get killed at night.
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Agree, this is a nonsense argument.
You tried to trick a new player, and now seem intent on wanting to lynch them, based on a thin argument.
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I like my vote on LL right now.
I should be around at deadline.
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Sometimes i feel like i am on the scene, people evaluate me and scum is hiding behind me, making short posts.
Eeehh if i were scum, I'd be much more quieter, especially D1.
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Vote Count 1.6
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
LaLight (3): Joseph2302, faust, Jake
Jake (2): RR, Lalight
Not Voting (2): Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.
That's in ~8.5 hours.
Vote: Big G
I will let Space decide whether to count this vote. I think it refers to gkrieg but I'm not 100% satisfied that it is sufficiently unambiguous to count as a vote.
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CORRECTION:
Vote Count 1.7
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
LaLight (3): Joseph2302, faust, Jake
Jake (2): RR, Lalight
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.
That's in ~8.5 hours.
Vote: Big G
I will let Space decide whether to count this vote. I think it refers to gkrieg but I'm not 100% satisfied that it is sufficiently unambiguous to count as a vote.
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OH MY DAYS DERP:
Vote Count 1.8
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
LaLight (3): Joseph2302, faust, Jake
Jake (2): RR, Lalight
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.
That's in ~8.5 hours.
Vote: Big G
I will let Space decide whether to count this vote. I think it refers to gkrieg but I'm not 100% satisfied that it is sufficiently unambiguous to count as a vote.
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If Jake's vote on gkrieg will be counted, our votes are spread too much.
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OH MY DAYS DERP:
Vote Count 1.8
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
LaLight (3): Joseph2302, faust, Jake
Jake (2): RR, Lalight
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.
That's in ~8.5 hours.
Vote: Big G
I will let Space decide whether to count this vote. I think it refers to gkrieg but I'm not 100% satisfied that it is sufficiently unambiguous to count as a vote.
Jake, can you just use proper names from now on?
To avoid this situation.
As it's important to know if LL has 2 or 3 votes, and now we don't.
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If Jake's vote on gkrieg will be counted, our votes are spread too much.
Disagree. There's 3 on one person, only 2 more for a lynch.
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As it's important to know if LL has 2 or 3 votes, and now we don't.
Until and unless Space arrives to modify this decision, the vote count as stated is correct, ie. LL has 3 votes, including Jake's.
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If Jake's vote on gkrieg will be counted, our votes are spread too much.
Disagree. There's 3 on one person, only 2 more for a lynch.
I mean if the vote would be counted there would be max 2.
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I loved LaLight's plan and I think we caught scum because of it. Death to Jake!
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Vote Count 1.9
faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): gkrieg13, Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (2): RR, Lalight
gkrieg (1): Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.
You have less than 7 hours remaining.
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I loved LaLight's plan and I think we caught scum because of it. Death to Jake!
So maybe you can explain how Jake is scum because of this.
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If Jake's vote on gkrieg will be counted, our votes are spread too much.
You could vote for yourself to improve this!
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I loved LaLight's plan and I think we caught scum because of it. Death to Jake!
So maybe you can explain how Jake is scum because of this.
I can try. As town, Jake knows he can't scumslip. He can't mess up like that, because he's not scum. So as town, he'd just say he didn't have a flavor name. Boom, done. There would be no reason, besides 'I want to play this game without claiming or anything,' which by the way is a very antitown way to play.
However, as scum you can scumslip. You can mess up. So there's no way Jake would claim anything before asking a mod/his scumbuddies if there's a daychat/maybe stealthily asking us. New scum wouldn't claim at all, they'd either ignore the question or come up with something like Jake did.
I hope this makes sense!
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I'm ruling that "Big G" counted in this instance because it was unambiguous (I've seen Jake using it across multiple games to refer uniquely to gkrieg), and because gkrieg himself appeared to recognise it as a vote on him at the time it was made.
However, in future, Haddock and I will only recognise nicknames that are commonly used and understood across the whole set of players and mods, not those individually assigned by one player to another.
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I'm ruling that "Big G" counted in this instance because it was unambiguous (I've seen Jake using it across multiple games to refer uniquely to gkrieg), and because gkrieg himself appeared to recognise it as a vote on him at the time it was made.
However, in future, Haddock and I will only recognise nicknames that are commonly used and understood across the whole set of players and mods, not those individually assigned by one player to another.
Vote: My Best Friend on f.ds
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Sorry, couldn't hold it.
RR is pretty saying what i was saying and i am agreed with him at the whole thing.
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
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I probably won't be around at deadline.
I'll be on and off until about 17:30 UK (12:30 forum)
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
And that would make it the best play ever!
I would vote LaLight to get a lynch through. Would rather do Calamitas though.
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
And that would make it the best play ever!
I would vote LaLight to get a lynch through. Would rather do Calamitas though.
Do we only have these two opportunities?
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Back from school now. I would prefer a Jake lynch over LaLight here. While I believe Jake might actually pull that (refusing to claim he hasn't one) as town in contrast to literally everyone else it is still evidence in favor of him being scum. Not really strong but good enough for D1 and more than I have on anyone else's case, so vote: Jake.
Will be around until deadline.
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
Yes but RR might be dumb enough to do it. (No offence)
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Back from school now. I would prefer a Jake lynch over LaLight here. While I believe Jake might actually pull that (refusing to claim he hasn't one) as town in contrast to literally everyone else it is still evidence in favor of him being scum. Not really strong but good enough for D1 and more than I have on anyone else's case, so vote: Jake.
Will be around until deadline.
If you think the best way to play is to trick newbies, then I'm not sure this is going to be a "newbie friendly game". I don't want to lynch Jake because even if he's scum, the way people have worked it out is underhand and not cool
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Back from school now. I would prefer a Jake lynch over LaLight here. While I believe Jake might actually pull that (refusing to claim he hasn't one) as town in contrast to literally everyone else it is still evidence in favor of him being scum. Not really strong but good enough for D1 and more than I have on anyone else's case, so vote: Jake.
Will be around until deadline.
If you think the best way to play is to trick newbies, then I'm not sure this is going to be a "newbie friendly game". I don't want to lynch Jake because even if he's scum, the way people have worked it out is underhand and not cool
Jake played nearly the same amount of games as me. this is his fifth game i think. I wouldn't say we're tricking the newbie in a bad way.
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Back from school now. I would prefer a Jake lynch over LaLight here. While I believe Jake might actually pull that (refusing to claim he hasn't one) as town in contrast to literally everyone else it is still evidence in favor of him being scum. Not really strong but good enough for D1 and more than I have on anyone else's case, so vote: Jake.
Will be around until deadline.
If you think the best way to play is to trick newbies, then I'm not sure this is going to be a "newbie friendly game". I don't want to lynch Jake because even if he's scum, the way people have worked it out is underhand and not cool
It is not underhand, it is a legitimate tactic and pretty cool in my opinion. And generally speaking, playing deliberately suboptimal (not using given knowledge) is even a worse lesson to teach in my opinion. And Jake isn't even a newbie...
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
Yes but RR might be dumb enough to do it. (No offence)
Eh, this isn't really worth replying to. Say what you want as long as we lynch Jake.
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13.5 hours till deadline. I don't see how Jake can get away with that.
Ya I'm still confused by it honestly. I mean scum also don't have flavor names presumably? Like it would be a scum slip for anyone else, but for Jake I'm not sure yet. I'll sleep on it
There's also the part where he said he had a flavor name. I don't think town!jake would go through the effort to come up with nine names (granted, they're probably from the shows he watches).
That said, I don't feel good about another D1 Jake lynch. Not willing to vote just yet.
Town!Jake might not go through the effort, but what does scum!Jake have to gain by going through it? This is another example of Jake doing something that confuses the living daylights out of me, but I'm to the point I just don't think it is really alignment indicative.
Although, after a few more seconds of thought, it could be scum!Jake's way of diverting the conversation onto the names themselves instead of letting us actually analyze him since he seemed to count on someone recognizing the names. On the other hand, I do start to feel bad when I continuously try to read scum into Jake's game. Honestly, I think one of my biggest hesitations about voting for Jake is that I would probably feel bad watching someone who is relatively new get mislynched D1 two games in a row if he turns out to actually be town. If he is lynched and flips scum, then I wouldn't feel bad at all; but I know what it feels like to feel ganged up on in mafia from irl games and it sucks to feel like people are ganging up on you and are going to lynch you early every game.
His town read might have slipped a bit in my mind overall, although I could see his initial strong denial coming from the same misconception I had regarding flavor names not being the same as VT or PR, so I would rather not see Jake lynched today, but my read on him is so weak that there isn't much that would make me refuse to vote for him if there are no better options.
PPE 3
I'll be around for the deadline. There's plenty of time for me to see how this plays out and decide a little later. I'd rather not vote now and wake up to Jake being hammered after saying something that would sway me (if he flips town of course).
This basically echoes my thoughts too. I should be around for roughly an hour before the deadline, but I'll be playing basketball from 11am server time for an hour or two, so I guess that timeframe should have some give or take to it.
3 games in a row
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
It wouldn't. No one has flavor names, I have told about it.
I have a flavor name I swear on my forum account.
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
It wouldn't. No one has flavor names, I have told about it.
I have a flavor name I swear on my forum account.
Incriminating. 100% incriminating.
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
It wouldn't. No one has flavor names, I have told about it.
I have a flavor name I swear on my forum account.
Incriminating. 100% incriminating.
this can not be possible. there's three explanations:
1) Mod lied to me.
2) Jake lies to us.
3) Jake does not know what is flavor name.
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2 and 3 are the only possibilities.
Jake, what is a flavor name?
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Also LL this is some awful reasoning and your just trying to kill someone other than you and your going off terrible reasoning
Vote: LaLight
Will be on and off until deadline
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It can start a discussion about whether only PRs have flavor names.
I thought I had switched to Calamitas somewhere.
It wouldn't. No one has flavor names, I have told about it.
I have a flavor name I swear on my forum account.
Incriminating. 100% incriminating.
this can not be possible. there's three explanations:
1) Mod lied to me.
2) Jake lies to us.
3) Jake does not know what is flavor name.
Or 4) you lie to the town trying to lynch me instead of us lynching you
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Jake, what is a flavor name???
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Anyone, tell me, may i ask in the thread if anyone was given a flavor info? will it not be against the rules?
Also, anyone else has flavor name?
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no one has a flavor name!
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Jake, what is a flavor name???
I am not giving my flavor name or claiming due to reasons I have previously stated
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Jake, what is a flavor name???
I am not giving my flavor name or claiming due to reasons I have previously stated
Don't give it to us, tell us what is flavor name at all? What do we call flavor name?
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Yeah, what Lalight said.
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Jake, what is a flavor name???
I am not giving my flavor name or claiming due to reasons I have previously stated
Don't give it to us, tell us what is flavor name at all? What do we call flavor name?
A flavor name is the name that is given with the role based off the topic or the mods choice.
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Close enough I think.
Would an example be Vineyards in the best Dominion card Mafia?
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
Yes but RR might be dumb enough to do it. (No offence)
I can imagine no possible reading of this that isn't offensive. Please keep the civility pledge in mind.
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Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
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Anyone, tell me, may i ask in the thread if anyone was given a flavor info? will it not be against the rules?
Also, anyone else has flavor name?
@faust, can you, please, advise me on this? Thanks is advance!
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Anyone, tell me, may i ask in the thread if anyone was given a flavor info? will it not be against the rules?
Also, anyone else has flavor name?
@faust, can you, please, advise me on this? Thanks is advance!
It's a mod decision. You have to ask Haddock and Space-A if it's okay. Probably better to do this in a QT.
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Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
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Anyone, tell me, may i ask in the thread if anyone was given a flavor info? will it not be against the rules?
Also, anyone else has flavor name?
@faust, can you, please, advise me on this? Thanks is advance!
It's a mod decision. You have to ask Haddock and Space-A if it's okay. Probably better to do this in a QT.
Thank you!
I won't have access to QT in half an hour..
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LYNCH JAKE WIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HE IS SO OBVIOUSLY SCUM!
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I will only be around intermittently before deadline. Studying for finals and other things.
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Yes but RR might be dumb enough to do it. (No offence)
I can imagine no possible reading of this that isn't offensive. Please keep the civility pledge in mind.
I appreciate this :) I was somewhat offended but oh well, we have a confirmed scum to catch.
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The only reasonable explanation for Jake's behaviour is that he thinks his flavor name and role name coincide. In which case all of this is a null tell, because of course he wouldn't tell us his flavor name if it is also his role name.
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If anyone has a flavor name, please state that you do now.
I do not.
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The only reasonable explanation for Jake's behaviour is that he thinks his flavor name and role name coincide. In which case all of this is a null tell, because of course he wouldn't tell us his flavor name if it is also his role name.
I am thinking about it and this is the reason i want to ask mod that question
PPE: I do not also obv.
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LYNCH JAKE WIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HE IS SO OBVIOUSLY SCUM!
LOL this is just ridiculous lets just lynch the acutal scum LL
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
What?
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
Huh? I was saying if you're a Babysitter you might've thought it was your flavor name.
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huh. If i get the whole situation right, this is bad. Unvote
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huh. If i get the whole situation right, this is bad. Unvote
explain
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
What?
No one is going to put babysitter in for this post with out knowing the role well so therefore RR is clearly a Babysitter. He can confirm that with a claim
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I will have limited availabilit at the deadline. I will be around for 2 more hours I think, but after that I cannot guarantee it.
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i'm lost.
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Sorry, no. even if I was a babysitter I wouldn't claim it. I made the connection between grown ups and baysitter, then I suggested that you might be a babysitter.
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i'm lost.
Legit vote for jake. I am 98% sure he's scum.
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This isn't a joke. i feel like i'm playing town of salem or something. Jake scumslipped, he gets lynched. That's the game of mafia.
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huh. If i get the whole situation right, this is bad. Unvote
Hrum. Are you trying to trick me into leaving your wagon?
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This isn't a joke. i feel like i'm playing town of salem or something. Jake scumslipped, he gets lynched. That's the game of mafia.
But what if he is actually a babysitter?
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Sorry, no. even if I was a babysitter I wouldn't claim it. I made the connection between grown ups and baysitter, then I suggested that you might be a babysitter.
You gave away that you are Babysitter. That's fine we won't lynch you now or I won't but now we have to focus on lynching someone before time expires.
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This isn't a joke. i feel like i'm playing town of salem or something. Jake scumslipped, he gets lynched. That's the game of mafia.
But what if he is actually a babysitter?
Then he'd claim when he gets to L-1 or something and i'll eat my hat.
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huh. If i get the whole situation right, this is bad. Unvote
Hrum. Are you trying to trick me into leaving your wagon?
I didn't even think about it. Did it work? :-)
PPE: 2
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Sorry, no. even if I was a babysitter I wouldn't claim it. I made the connection between grown ups and baysitter, then I suggested that you might be a babysitter.
You gave away that you are Babysitter. That's fine we won't lynch you now or I won't but now we have to focus on lynching someone before time expires.
do you know that there's a babysitter in the game?
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Sorry, no. even if I was a babysitter I wouldn't claim it. I made the connection between grown ups and baysitter, then I suggested that you might be a babysitter.
You gave away that you are Babysitter. That's fine we won't lynch you now or I won't but now we have to focus on lynching someone before time expires.
Man, he did not give it away, what you are talking about? Can you tell us his words? He just assumed you may be one.
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Sorry, no. even if I was a babysitter I wouldn't claim it. I made the connection between grown ups and baysitter, then I suggested that you might be a babysitter.
You gave away that you are Babysitter. That's fine we won't lynch you now or I won't but now we have to focus on lynching someone before time expires.
do you know that there's a babysitter in the game?
My name is RR, and I like rolefishing.
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I don't like that there are people who were and are silent. I'm starting to think that everyone here is town.
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Sorry, no. even if I was a babysitter I wouldn't claim it. I made the connection between grown ups and baysitter, then I suggested that you might be a babysitter.
You gave away that you are Babysitter. That's fine we won't lynch you now or I won't but now we have to focus on lynching someone before time expires.
do you know that there's a babysitter in the game?
My name is RR, and I like rolefishing.
I don't care what you think of me as long as we lynch jake.
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I don't like that there are people who were and are silent. I'm starting to think that everyone here is town.
Except jake! come on!
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My shift key is broken, so sorry for not capitalizing the start of sentences and stuff. It's bothering me.
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My shift key is broken, so sorry for not capitalizing the start of sentences and stuff. It's bothering me.
I don't think this is the biggest problem...
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
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My shift key is broken, so sorry for not capitalizing the start of sentences and stuff. It's bothering me.
I don't think this is the biggest problem...
If you post from an IP address, you can't post again for the next 5 seconds, so if I spam a whole bunch I could 'box Jake out' lol.
I'm not going to though.
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
He did not pull it out of nowhere, he read to setup post.
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
I SAID BABYSITTER BECAUSE IT COULD BE RELATED TO THE FLAVOR! DO YOU NOT SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN GROWN UPS WHO ARE BUSY AND A BABYSITTER????????
my caps lock key works.
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
He used babysitter because it matches with the name of the game AND because it doesn't look like a role being non-usual
That's why. And also, he explained it then.
PPE: 3
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my caps lock key works.
You can use it instead of Shift one.
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
He did not pull it out of nowhere, he read to setup post.
You guys can choose not to believe me but I am extremely confident he is Babysitter
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my caps lock key works.
You can use it instead of Shift one.
I used that when I was younger but i've gotten too used to the shift key now for that to be comfortable.
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
He did not pull it out of nowhere, he read to setup post.
You guys can choose not to believe me but I am extremely confident he is Babysitter
We got it
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
He did not pull it out of nowhere, he read to setup post.
You guys can choose not to believe me but I am extremely confident he is Babysitter
We got it
Ok lets move onto a lynch now we have 3 hours
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
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I might repost that in bold, i think it's important.
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
You are wrong. Think.
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
Does scum know who the Pr's are though and do they know what Pr's their are?
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
You are wrong. Think.
My mention of a babysitter reminded jake there is a babysitter in the setup. He assumed i'd be thinking about my own role, so when i mentioned a pr that is in the setup (according to my theory), he assumed I was thinking about my own pr when i posted my post about him possibly being a babysitter.
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
Does scum know who the Pr's are though and do they know what Pr's their are?
They know what Prs there are, yes.
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
Yes but RR might be dumb enough to do it. (No offence)
I can imagine no possible reading of this that isn't offensive. Please keep the civility pledge in mind.
It wasn't meant to be offensive.
My apologies.
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
Does scum know who the Pr's are though and do they know what Pr's their are?
The answer is in the setup:
a number between 1 and 12 is being randomized. The Role that is at that position on a standard clock face, plus its two neighbours, are included. Mafia will be informed which roles those are.
01 - Watcher
02 - Jailkeeper
03 - 1-Shot Strongman
04 - Babysitter
05 - Doctor
06 - Rolecop
07 - Weak Visitor
08 - Tracker
09 - 2-Shot Investigation Immune
10 - Vanilla Cop
11 - Motion Detector
12 - Roleblocker
PPE:3
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LL/RR scum team? Both like this crazy scumslip idea
Ugh even if we were both scum, this would be the dumbest play ever
PPE: 1
Yes but RR might be dumb enough to do it. (No offence)
I can imagine no possible reading of this that isn't offensive. Please keep the civility pledge in mind.
It wasn't meant to be offensive.
My apologies.
it's all cool if you vote for jake! ;)
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Joseph what do you think?
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RR said that I could be babysitter which is why he thinks i'm confused but no one is going to pull babysitter out of nowhere instead of using a more popular PR. RR is babysitter so I guess the lynchpool is down to LL.
He did not pull it out of nowhere, he read to setup post.
You guys can choose not to believe me but I am extremely confident he is Babysitter
In my which case, you've just outed a PR, good work
PPE:2
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Am I going to need to officially claim 'Not babysitter?" because this is ridiculous
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
What are you on?
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Shrooms?
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Someone, tell me that this is not the scumslip. Because in NM8 that was the way we caught PPS.
PPE: 2
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Holy cow. You guys post so much when you are frantic. Aren't you supposed to be paying attention in class?
I still think Calamitas is a better vote, but would vote Jake to get a lynch through. I would actually be pretty happy with his lynch.
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Joseph what do you think?
On what?
Yes scum knows PRs.
Scum people: I think LL and if RR is babysitter, then you're scum outing him
PPE:4
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This isn't a real class.
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Err... no?
I no longer know what to make of any of this.
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Jake, how do we know that?
PPE: 2
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In which parallel universe I'm a better lynch...That guy just scumslipped...
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Someone, tell me that this is not the scumslip. Because in NM8 that was the way we caught PPS.
PPE: 2
This is a very good point. vote: Jake
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In which parallel universe I'm a better lynch...That guy just scumslipped...
vote him! thank you for being reasonable!
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Die die die!
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Err... no?
I no longer know what to make of any of this.
Join my "Abyss for the lost in the conversation"
PPE: 2
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In which parallel universe I'm a better lynch...That guy just scumslipped...
Ya I've been reading between the lines because of the ~50 posts in about 5 minutes, and didn't catch that last one until LaLight pointed it outl
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Vote: Jake
PPE: 1
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Die die die!
STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD!!!
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I now believe that there is a Babysitter in the setup. jake knows this because he is scum. scum know what PRs there are, remember?
So, when i mentioned Babysitter, Jake assumed i'd mention my own role, and now i guess he's trying to get me to claim babysitter
Anyway, this strengthens my scum read one jake
Does scum know who the Pr's are though and do they know what Pr's their are?
The answer is in the setup:
a number between 1 and 12 is being randomized. The Role that is at that position on a standard clock face, plus its two neighbours, are included. Mafia will be informed which roles those are.
01 - Watcher
02 - Jailkeeper
03 - 1-Shot Strongman
04 - Babysitter
05 - Doctor
06 - Rolecop
07 - Weak Visitor
08 - Tracker
09 - 2-Shot Investigation Immune
10 - Vanilla Cop
11 - Motion Detector
12 - Roleblocker
PPE:3
From what I understand this means that there is a role cop
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Jake, who are the two neighbours of Babysitter?
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#3 and #5?
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Ok so now i'm gonna die so tomorrow RR will be dead due to night kill and You should lynch LL I guarantee he's scum.
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Jake is rolecop confirmed
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Err... no?
I no longer know what to make of any of this.
Probably he is scum, knows that there is a rolecop and assumed the setup gives it away. But the setup doesn't and the 'obvious' way of reading the setup (taking the two neighbours of babysitter) doesn't imply it either.
So let's just lynch Jake and get over it.
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Jake, who are the two neighbours of Babysitter?
I believe its the two above belong to the one below
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But it could also be #2 or #6 if 3 or 5 were chosen.
Either way, that is L-1 on Jake if I'm not mistaken
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Die die die!
STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD!!!
I've never been this excited about a mafia game. This is great!
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i'm leaving the computer, will be on the phone.
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jake, you should probably claim. If you don't you'll die
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Tomorrow if RR is still alive DON'T LYNCH RR HE IS BABYSITTER I GAURNTEE
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Jake, who are the two neighbours of Babysitter?
I believe its the two above belong to the one below
Why do you believe that? Neighbours are people near you. Left and right.
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Ok so now i'm gonna die so tomorrow RR will be dead due to night kill and You should lynch LL I guarantee he's scum.
You should look up what a babysitter does, if you think that babysitter!RR is going to die in the night.
Not that RR is a babysitter.
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Jake, who are the two neighbours of Babysitter?
I believe its the two above belong to the one below
Why do you believe that? Neighbours are people near you. Left and right.
I think the scum belongs to the two town Pr's above I think may be wrong
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No matter how this is going to go, I am fairly certain that RR is town. So that's something.
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Jake is a rolecop and he's trying to tell his scum buddy that i'm a babysitter, which is incorrect.
lynch him please!
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No matter how this is going to go, I am fairly certain that RR is town. So that's something.
Yes don't lynch him
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i'm going to mobile.
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seriously, hammer jake. please!
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Claim first, self-hammering is bad
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Claim your flavor name
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Claim first, self-hammering is bad
This is basically a VT claim.
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Claim first, self-hammering is bad
This is basically a VT claim.
I wonder what his flavor name is
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"Rolevop"? :-)
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it!
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Lol but seriously I'm really sick of getting mislynched D-1 every game and even when I claim I die anyway so I'm done. Bye lynch LL Vote: Jake VT flavor name: Touro Okada from the wind up the bird
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Someone, tell me that this is not the scumslip. Because in NM8 that was the way we caught PPS.
PPE: 2
Must be.
Babysitter in game does not tell us scum role 100%
PPE:lots
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Lol but seriously I'm really sick of getting mislynched D-1 every game and even when I claim I die anyway so I'm done. Bye lynch LL Vote: Jake VT flavor name: Touro Okada from the wind up the bird
Jake, do you understand that this is a flavor name from another, ongoing game?
Faust, i am so sorry :-(
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
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Come on, this is just... bad.
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Ya I'm actually not sure what to do here.
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I think problem may be solved by rerandomising... oh man.
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I think problem may be solved by rerandomising... oh man.
Let's not speak about it here anyway.
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Welp.
That happened so fast.
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Wait...oh my god
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. . .
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Wow...I don't vote Jake to avoid him being hammered, but I wake up to it anyway...and he self-hammered.
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Wow...I don't vote Jake to avoid him being hammered, but I wake up to it anyway...and he self-hammered.
That's not even the most "wow" thing that happened.
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Wow...I don't vote Jake to avoid him being hammered, but I wake up to it anyway...and he self-hammered.
That's not even the most "wow" thing that happened.
Well, yeah...but still
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I just reread exactly what happened, and man that's both confusing and so bad
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:(
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I think problem may be solved by rerandomising... oh man.
Let's not speak about it here anyway.
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Sticking to one game at a time is a thing you can do
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Sticking to one game at a time is a thing you can do
Just for the record :D
/in (except if you think that a newbie isn't able to play two games at the same time)
A newbie is most definitely able to play two games at a time unless one of the following is true:
This newbie works over 70 hours a week
This newbie has four kids under the age of 12 or six kids under his/her roof.
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What? Wow. So I got on right when I said I'd be able to just to find a self-hammer. That wasn't at all how I thought EoD was going to go. But did Jake seriously self-vote while thinking he was in a different game?
But seriously, is self-hammering ever actually a good thing? I know in theory it narrows down the suspect pool when you flip town if you think your wagon is scum driven, but it seems like it would be better to just try to stay alive and see who actually decides to hammer to me.
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.
I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it!
I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.
I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it!
I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.
Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.
I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it!
I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.
Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.
I don't really think it was pro-town for him to do it to begin with, especially as abruptly as he did. There was still a lot of time left before the deadline for someone else to get online and hammer. If it had been just a few minutes til, then sure, but more than 2 hours out? I don't like that.
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I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.
I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it!
I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.
Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.
I don't really think it was pro-town for him to do it to begin with, especially as abruptly as he did. There was still a lot of time left before the deadline for someone else to get online and hammer. If it had been just a few minutes til, then sure, but more than 2 hours out? I don't like that.
There was no way we would have settled for another lynch.
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Do it please. I won't change my vote and neither will LaLight nor Road nor gkrieg probably.
I will vote myself so we have a lynch if need be
Do it!
I don't like the encouragement Jake received to self-vote, especially if he flips town.
Why don't you like it? I stand by that decision.
I don't really think it was pro-town for him to do it to begin with, especially as abruptly as he did. There was still a lot of time left before the deadline for someone else to get online and hammer. If it had been just a few minutes til, then sure, but more than 2 hours out? I don't like that.
There was no way we would have settled for another lynch.
Just under 3 hours is a long time for stuff to happen. I probably would have voted for Jake when I got online after reading everything that led up to that, but he at least did explain what he thought the setup meant. Probably scum manufacturing an excuse, sure, but it's far from a guarantee, especially when the person in question also didn't even realize the game they were getting lynched in wasn't the same one that actually gave him a flavor name. I just don't think it was necessary to push him to do it immediately and it makes me feel pretty good about where my vote was on the off chance it turns out that he isn't scum.
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Haddock reached up to Space's bookcases, and pulled out Space's Set cards. He knew they wouldn't resist a chance to beat him at something skill-based, so Dominion was kind of ruled out there, but they did have kind of a knack for visual patterns...
Haddock piled up a few of Space's lists and self-help notes to clear enough room on the coffee table. One of the lists list was knocked unseen over the edge, and slipped underneath the sofa...
JakeTheBaseBallGod22 has been lynched. He was Time Management, the Vanilla Townie.
Night 1 begins now and ends between 24 hours and 36 hours from now. Night actions are due in 23 hours.
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Space nudged their laptop out of the way while trying to make a little more room for dealing the Set cards. A few of the keys somehow got hit in the process, and a bunch of browser tabs got lost somewhere...
gkreig13 has been killed in the night. He was Personal Security, the Vanilla Townie.
Day 2 begins now and ends at 3pm forum time, Friday 16th December.
Thread Unlocked!
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Geez. What a day.
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Geez. What a day.
Yes it was awful. But you know what, shit happens, now let's move on.
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And Gkrieg is dead, that lowers the list of people I think may be scum by 1.
Hopefully 1 closer to finding actual scum now.
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
Why do you assume so? The Jake wagon was totally sensible and every town must have expected him to flip scum. Only scum could even assume he was actually town and stay off wagon since a Jake lynch was basically guaranteed.
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
Why do you assume so? The Jake wagon was totally sensible and every town must have expected him to flip scum. Only scum could even assume he was actually town and stay off wagon since a Jake lynch was basically guaranteed.
Well for scum he was such an easy mislynch. The lynch was going to happen, so why not just join it?
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The misslynch was easy to the extent that contribution wasn't be required from scum. So scum may easily stay off-wagon to benefit from the conclusion you came to.
For town, I don't really see a reason to not join the wagon. That guy scumslipped twice...
In that light, vote: Dylan
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Vote: LaLight
If you hadn't tried to scumslip Jake with stupid questions, then this wouldn't have happened. Why did you start asking him about flavor names anyway?
Getting a town player to scumslip is impressive, although the consequences were really crap.
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Vote: Calamitas. Like I said, I didn't like you pushing for it him to self hammer that early and it pushed you from a null to scum read to a straight scum read to me. Side note: Jake technically didn't scum slip twice, considering he wasn't even scum.
Now if you are voting for me because I was off wagon, I already said yesterday that when I logged in EoD, as I was reading the thread, I had pretty much decided Jake was the best lynch and was going to vote, but then I got to the point where Jake self-hammered and realized that had happened an hour before I logged in. I couldn't exactly do anything about it at that point. This means the only reason I wasn't on the wagon was because you pushed him to self-hammer. So really you are voting for me because of something you did... oh the irony.
PPE 1
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Vote: Joseph
That's really bad reasoning. You're blaming LaLight for Jake's rookie mistake.
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Vote: Joseph
That's really bad reasoning. You're blaming LaLight for Jake's rookie mistake.
No, it's Jake's fault for what Jake did.
But we didn't need to push him to make mistakes like LaLight did.
It seemed somewhat likely that if you asked Jake lots of questions, he'd do something people didn't agree with, and people would find him scummy. So it seems like LaLight was trying to start the mislynch wagon on him.
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LaLight asked a pretty basic question and Jake choked. LaLight was scumhunting. Last time I checked, that wasn't scummy.
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Not lurking, just busy. Will post tomorrow
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.
Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?
If the scum is immature as a scum. That's why i was choosing between Jake, ThisGame and Dylan to ask the question, i know that you for example wouldn't be caught up. Jake looks like fast-decision person so it was a good chance to catch him on it.
Joseph, here's the answer to your question why I've chosen Jake.
Also at the end of the day I was really sure he was a PR. I thought at first he's a babysitter, but tells t on RR for not to be killed at night. Then of course I was sure he's Flavor Cop.
GKrieg's death is really surprising. I was sure faust would die which puts him on scummy side (or WIFOM of course).
Hey, everybody again looks flailing and us should turn onto lurkers here.
So far, the people who seem townie to me are Joseph, Dylan, RR.
So, i will return to Vote:Calamitas
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Vote: Calamitas of course
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Space nudged their laptop out of the way while trying to make a little more room for dealing the Set cards. A few of the keys somehow got hit in the process, and a bunch of browser tabs got lost somewhere...
gkreig13 has been killed in the night. He was Personal Security, the Vanilla Townie.
Day 2 begins now and ends at 3pm forum time, Friday 16th December.
Thread Unlocked!
Hey! :-) Can we see the Vote count and time of the end of this day?
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Space nudged their laptop out of the way while trying to make a little more room for dealing the Set cards. A few of the keys somehow got hit in the process, and a bunch of browser tabs got lost somewhere...
gkreig13 has been killed in the night. He was Personal Security, the Vanilla Townie.
Day 2 begins now and ends at 3pm forum time, Friday 16th December.
Thread Unlocked!
Hey! :-) Can we see the Vote count and time of the end of this day?
I am an idiot. Just a vote count.
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Vote Count 1.LL
Lalight (1): Joseph
Dylan (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (2): Dylan, LaLight
Not Voting (3): faust, IDPTG, RoadRunner
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Can you explain how Jake's behaviour is more likely to come from scum without a flavor name than from town without a flavor name?
Yeah, course. Town without flavor name would ask the mod if there are one and maybe he doesn't have one as a mistake (as i did when i saw i don't have one) and just said he doesn't have one and nobody have.
Can you tell me one good reason why scum wouldn't do the same thing?
If the scum is immature as a scum. That's why i was choosing between Jake, ThisGame and Dylan to ask the question, i know that you for example wouldn't be caught up. Jake looks like fast-decision person so it was a good chance to catch him on it.
Joseph, here's the answer to your question why I've chosen Jake.
Also at the end of the day I was really sure he was a PR. I thought at first he's a babysitter, but tells t on RR for not to be killed at night. Then of course I was sure he's Flavor Cop.
GKrieg's death is really surprising. I was sure faust would die which puts him on scummy side (or WIFOM of course).
Hey, everybody again looks flailing and us should turn onto lurkers here.
So far, the people who seem townie to me are Joseph, Dylan, RR.
So, i will return to Vote:Calamitas
So you spotted what I spotted and forgot to mention earlier: faust often dies N1. faust also seemed towny D1, so I expected him to die N1 too.
However, experienced players know it'll look a bit odd if faust doesn't die, and might be trying to get people to assume he's scum.
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So you spotted what I spotted and forgot to mention earlier: faust often dies N1. faust also seemed towny D1, so I expected him to die N1 too.
However, experienced players know it'll look a bit odd if faust doesn't die, and might be trying to get people to assume he's scum.
how much experienced players do we have left? You, RR, faust, Calamitas. Calamitas may be the one, and so, my vote is still on its place.
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So you spotted what I spotted and forgot to mention earlier: faust often dies N1. faust also seemed towny D1, so I expected him to die N1 too.
However, experienced players know it'll look a bit odd if faust doesn't die, and might be trying to get people to assume he's scum.
how much experienced players do we have left? You, RR, faust, Calamitas. Calamitas may be the one, and so, my vote is still on its place.
FTFM
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Calamitas/idptg team seems legit.
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Calamitas/idptg team seems legit.
What about IDPTG makes you think he's the other half of the scum team?
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Calamitas/idptg team seems legit.
What about IDPTG makes you think he's the other half of the scum team?
Poe, lurkiness.
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So we're back!
Man, given everything that happened, that Jake wagon will sure be hard to evaluate. I'm gonna have to reread everything soon.
I see there's already talk about how I'm scum because I'm still alive. That's great. I have other theories.
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Interestingly, all off-wagon people (except me) are players that kinda slipped below the radar. Like, Idplay, Joseph. Dylan... don't really have opinions on them. I have a feeling that there is a scum in there.
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I see there's already talk about how I'm scum because I'm still alive. That's great. I have other theories.
There often is when you survive N1. Which is why it seems like an obvious scum thing to do- don't kill you, then people might assume you're scum.
Incidentally, if you were scum, I guess Gkrieg would be the obvious kill choice, as he's the next most experienced player
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Vote: LaLight
If you hadn't tried to scumslip Jake with stupid questions, then this wouldn't have happened. Why did you start asking him about flavor names anyway?
Getting a town player to scumslip is impressive, although the consequences were really crap.
This is just bad reasoning. LaLight did a great pro-town effort and it is obvious why he did it. The consequences can fully accounted to Jake, LaLights actions were pro-town. He isn't a precog after all.
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I see there's already talk about how I'm scum because I'm still alive. That's great. I have other theories.
There often is when you survive N1. Which is why it seems like an obvious scum thing to do- don't kill you, then people might assume you're scum.
Incidentally, if you were scum, I guess Gkrieg would be the obvious kill choice, as he's the next most experienced player
I mean, I don't really want to address this unless it becomes necessary.
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Well for scum he was such an easy mislynch. The lynch was going to happen, so why not just join it?
This is weird reasoning. If the lynch is going to happen, of course scum prefers to stay off it to look more townie.
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Btw I got a weird error when trying to quote the entirety of Joseph's quote... anyone know what's up with that?
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Btw I got a weird error when trying to quote the entirety of Joseph's quote... anyone know what's up with that?
Is that the "we can't post your message as there's no text in the message" error? I got one like that a couple of days back.
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Well for scum he was such an easy mislynch. The lynch was going to happen, so why not just join it?
This is weird reasoning. If the lynch is going to happen, of course scum prefers to stay off it to look more townie.
Exactly, in this specific case staying off is actually worse than being on wagon.
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Well for scum he was such an easy mislynch. The lynch was going to happen, so why not just join it?
This is weird reasoning. If the lynch is going to happen, of course scum prefers to stay off it to look more townie.
Exactly, in this specific case staying off is actually worse than being on wagon.
Of course then some people might see through that and join the wagon. But we have lots of relatively new players here who I don't think would do this.
The question then becomes, was the Jake wagon really this inevitable? Towards the end probably, but not until that whole Babysitter nonsense.
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Well for scum he was such an easy mislynch. The lynch was going to happen, so why not just join it?
This is weird reasoning. If the lynch is going to happen, of course scum prefers to stay off it to look more townie.
Exactly, in this specific case staying off is actually worse than being on wagon.
Of course then some people might see through that and join the wagon. But we have lots of relatively new players here who I don't think would do this.
The question then becomes, was the Jake wagon really this inevitable? Towards the end probably, but not until that whole Babysitter nonsense.
I disagree. After he started answering LaLight's question, he was digging a deeper and deeper hole. Maybe if he could've established it as a PR slip he could survive D1, but I take his self-hammer to mean he saw his lynch as inevitable.
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Well, I think it was pretty inevitable. The natural thing to do as town would be just looking for the flavor name and reporting to have none (after finding none). It has nothing to do with asking/not-asking the mod. After reading reactions after the scumslip I'm going with vote: Joseph [/b. The combination of him saying that the scumslip was just a weird trick and nothing substantial and him opening the day with townreading people for staying off wagon is just scummy.:
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Well, I think it was pretty inevitable. The natural thing to do as town would be just looking for the flavor name and reporting to have none (after finding none). It has nothing to do with asking/not-asking the mod. After reading reactions after the scumslip I'm going with vote: Joseph . The combination of him saying that the scumslip was just a weird trick and nothing substantial and him opening the day with townreading people for staying off wagon is just scummy.
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A point of clarification coming from some QT questions. The current topic of discussion (regarding Jake's mistake) does stray somewhat close to the line of "discussing other games", as some people have noted in their QTs. As such it is slightly uncomfortable for us mods.
However, so far everyone is doing a good job of referring to it very nonspecifically. Please keep this up and we'll have no problems.
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A point of clarification coming from some QT questions. The current topic of discussion (regarding Jake's mistake) does stray somewhat close to the line of "discussing other games", as some people have noted in their QTs. As such it is slightly uncomfortable for us mods.
However, so far everyone is doing a good job of referring to it very nonspecifically. Please keep this up and we'll have no problems.
@Does it still count as ongoing?
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A point of clarification coming from some QT questions. The current topic of discussion (regarding Jake's mistake) does stray somewhat close to the line of "discussing other games", as some people have noted in their QTs. As such it is slightly uncomfortable for us mods.
However, so far everyone is doing a good job of referring to it very nonspecifically. Please keep this up and we'll have no problems.
@Does it still count as ongoing?
For the sake of the overall integrity of f.ds mafia games, I am going to essentially count it as such.
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Well, I think it was pretty inevitable. The natural thing to do as town would be just looking for the flavor name and reporting to have none (after finding none). It has nothing to do with asking/not-asking the mod. After reading reactions after the scumslip I'm going with vote: Joseph . The combination of him saying that the scumslip was just a weird trick and nothing substantial and him opening the day with townreading people for staying off wagon is just scummy.
Fixed
I think asking the mod is what any role would do; VT would ask to make sure whereas PR and scum would ask to avoid a slip. I think it's a weird question intended to get no response or a strange one.
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Well, I think it was pretty inevitable. The natural thing to do as town would be just looking for the flavor name and reporting to have none (after finding none). It has nothing to do with asking/not-asking the mod. After reading reactions after the scumslip I'm going with vote: Joseph . The combination of him saying that the scumslip was just a weird trick and nothing substantial and him opening the day with townreading people for staying off wagon is just scummy.
Fixed
I think asking the mod is what any role would do; VT would ask to make sure whereas PR and scum would ask to avoid a slip. I think it's a weird question intended to get no response or a strange one.
Why? The easy answer would be just "I don't have a flavor name".
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Well, I think it was pretty inevitable. The natural thing to do as town would be just looking for the flavor name and reporting to have none (after finding none). It has nothing to do with asking/not-asking the mod. After reading reactions after the scumslip I'm going with vote: Joseph . The combination of him saying that the scumslip was just a weird trick and nothing substantial and him opening the day with townreading people for staying off wagon is just scummy.
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I think asking the mod is what any role would do; VT would ask to make sure whereas PR and scum would ask to avoid a slip. I think it's a weird question intended to get no response or a strange one.
Why? The easy answer would be just "I don't have a flavor name".
If you recognize it as a trick. If you take it to mean that everyone else has flavor names and you don't know yours, wouldn't you check first to avoid giving away information?
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Well, I think it was pretty inevitable. The natural thing to do as town would be just looking for the flavor name and reporting to have none (after finding none). It has nothing to do with asking/not-asking the mod. After reading reactions after the scumslip I'm going with vote: Joseph . The combination of him saying that the scumslip was just a weird trick and nothing substantial and him opening the day with townreading people for staying off wagon is just scummy.
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I think asking the mod is what any role would do; VT would ask to make sure whereas PR and scum would ask to avoid a slip. I think it's a weird question intended to get no response or a strange one.
Why? The easy answer would be just "I don't have a flavor name".
If you recognize it as a trick. If you take it to mean that everyone else has flavor names and you don't know yours, wouldn't you check first to avoid giving away information?
In that situation I wouldn't probably.
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You wouldn't check or you wouldn't recognize it?
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You wouldn't check or you wouldn't recognize it?
Check
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You wouldn't check or you wouldn't recognize it?
Check
Not checking with the mod, obviously checking the qt.
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You wouldn't check or you wouldn't recognize it?
Check
Not checking with the mod, obviously checking the qt.
Fair enough. It was a bad assumption I guess.
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You wouldn't check or you wouldn't recognize it?
Check
Not checking with the mod, obviously checking the qt.
I mean, the risk of seeming like scum outweighs the benefit in that regard.
Fair enough. It was a bad assumption I guess.
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You wouldn't check or you wouldn't recognize it?
Check
Not checking with the mod, obviously checking the qt.
Fair enough. It was a bad assumption I guess.
*Fixed
I mean, the risk of seeming like scum outweighs the benefit in that regard.
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Vote Count 2.1
LaLight (1): Joseph
Calamitas (2): Dylan, LaLight
Joseph (2): Roadrunner, Calamitas
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, faust
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.
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I don't understand why so much time is being spent talking about whether or not this or that role would have asked the mod for clarification. I think everything that Jake did or said (or failed to do) was just a product of him being new. But seriously, how does answering that question help us find scum? If we are going to look at anything from that, it should be the people that are still alive and had a part in that.
So LaLight, I don't remember you actually explaining how asking that question would actually find scum when it was just a gotcha question that could trip up newbies of either alignment. I mean if someone can explain how asking about flavor names can find scum, then I'll be ok with it. I still just don't see it.
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I don't understand why so much time is being spent talking about whether or not this or that role would have asked the mod for clarification. I think everything that Jake did or said (or failed to do) was just a product of him being new. But seriously, how does answering that question help us find scum? If we are going to look at anything from that, it should be the people that are still alive and had a part in that.
So LaLight, I don't remember you actually explaining how asking that question would actually find scum when it was just a gotcha question that could trip up newbies of either alignment. I mean if someone can explain how asking about flavor names can find scum, then I'll be ok with it. I still just don't see it.
I believe the reason was that good people had no flavour names, but scum may have been given flavour names. So if someone said they had a flavour name, they must be scum, as town don't have flavour names.
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Okay, so looking back at the whole Jake situation.
First thing is I really don't like Idplay's reaction:
There's also the part where he said he had a flavor name. I don't think town!jake would go through the effort to come up with nine names (granted, they're probably from the shows he watches).
That said, I don't feel good about another D1 Jake lynch. Not willing to vote just yet.
I'll be around for the deadline. There's plenty of time for me to see how this plays out and decide a little later. I'd rather not vote now and wake up to Jake being hammered after saying something that would sway me (if he flips town of course).
This is the kind of super-hedgy position that I would expect from newbie scum. Distancing a bit to see if the lynch goes through without our vote, but if necessary you can also vote there without being inconsistent.
Dylan's reaction feels genuine:
Although, after a few more seconds of thought, it could be scum!Jake's way of diverting the conversation onto the names themselves instead of letting us actually analyze him since he seemed to count on someone recognizing the names. On the other hand, I do start to feel bad when I continuously try to read scum into Jake's game. Honestly, I think one of my biggest hesitations about voting for Jake is that I would probably feel bad watching someone who is relatively new get mislynched D1 two games in a row if he turns out to actually be town. If he is lynched and flips scum, then I wouldn't feel bad at all; but I know what it feels like to feel ganged up on in mafia from irl games and it sucks to feel like people are ganging up on you and are going to lynch you early every game.
I mean, the scum!Jake theory there at the beginning is a bit out there. But the rest here seems towny.
Let's also see RR's position:
I can try. As town, Jake knows he can't scumslip. He can't mess up like that, because he's not scum. So as town, he'd just say he didn't have a flavor name. Boom, done. There would be no reason, besides 'I want to play this game without claiming or anything,' which by the way is a very antitown way to play.
However, as scum you can scumslip. You can mess up. So there's no way Jake would claim anything before asking a mod/his scumbuddies if there's a daychat/maybe stealthily asking us. New scum wouldn't claim at all, they'd either ignore the question or come up with something like Jake did.
I hope this makes sense!
I don't really agree, but this does make some sense, at least a lot more than what LaLight wrote on the issue.
Back from school now. I would prefer a Jake lynch over LaLight here. While I believe Jake might actually pull that (refusing to claim he hasn't one) as town in contrast to literally everyone else it is still evidence in favor of him being scum. Not really strong but good enough for D1 and more than I have on anyone else's case, so vote: Jake.
Will be around until deadline.
If you think the best way to play is to trick newbies, then I'm not sure this is going to be a "newbie friendly game". I don't want to lynch Jake because even if he's scum, the way people have worked it out is underhand and not cool
This is an interesting sentiment. It does seem like Joseph believes that Jake could be scum. Not a very strong indicator though.
LYNCH JAKE WIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HE IS SO OBVIOUSLY SCUM!
And this is not the way scum!RR usually plays.
After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Looking townie for RR as well.
huh. If i get the whole situation right, this is bad. Unvote
So is this where LaLight realizes that Jake might be a PR? LaLight, can you explain what happened in your mind here?
Joseph what do you think?
On what?
Yes scum knows PRs.
Scum people: I think LL and if RR is babysitter, then you're scum outing him
PPE:4
I really don't like this answer on "what do you think". Joseph hasn't given much of an opinion on this since now, and stalls by talking about other things when what clearly matters is his read on Jake.
In which parallel universe I'm a better lynch...That guy just scumslipped...
I don't like the tone of the, but can't really put into words why.
...then Jake self-hammers.
So what do we have?
- Idplay takes a hedgy position and then disappears.
- Dylan takes a kinda reasonable position and then disappears.
- Joseph stalls without ever giving a read on Jake.
- LaLight pushes a thin argument, then at some point realizes that this may have been bad (?), but finally goes back to the Jake wagon (??)
- RR pushes Jake hard and really seems genuinely convinced that he's scum.
- Calamitas also believes in the thin argument from the start, but doesn't really push a lot to make the lynch go through.
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I think RR is clearly the towniest, followed by Dylan. The rest is kinda murky.
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I don't understand why so much time is being spent talking about whether or not this or that role would have asked the mod for clarification. I think everything that Jake did or said (or failed to do) was just a product of him being new. But seriously, how does answering that question help us find scum? If we are going to look at anything from that, it should be the people that are still alive and had a part in that.
So LaLight, I don't remember you actually explaining how asking that question would actually find scum when it was just a gotcha question that could trip up newbies of either alignment. I mean if someone can explain how asking about flavor names can find scum, then I'll be ok with it. I still just don't see it.
No one had flavour names, that was a known fact for LaLight. The central idea was that scum (when finding no flavour name) might not be willing to share any info because they might fear scunslipping while town would just say "have none".
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- LaLight pushes a thin argument, then at some point realizes that this may have been bad (?), but finally goes back to the Jake wagon (??)
I was at one point sure that Jake is a babysitter, but then he scumslipped with rolecop.
I'll be vla all the day :(
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I think RR is clearly the towniest, followed by Dylan. The rest is kinda murky.
RR is towny- not something I hear very often. I'd tend to agree though.
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- LaLight pushes a thin argument, then at some point realizes that this may have been bad (?), but finally goes back to the Jake wagon (??)
I was at one point sure that Jake is a babysitter, but then he scumslipped with rolecop.
I'll be vla all the day :(
What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
I don't understand why so much time is being spent talking about whether or not this or that role would have asked the mod for clarification. I think everything that Jake did or said (or failed to do) was just a product of him being new. But seriously, how does answering that question help us find scum? If we are going to look at anything from that, it should be the people that are still alive and had a part in that.
So LaLight, I don't remember you actually explaining how asking that question would actually find scum when it was just a gotcha question that could trip up newbies of either alignment. I mean if someone can explain how asking about flavor names can find scum, then I'll be ok with it. I still just don't see it.
No one had flavour names, that was a known fact for LaLight. The central idea was that scum (when finding no flavour name) might not be willing to share any info because they might fear scunslipping while town would just say "have none".
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
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What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
You should probably reread the end of D1. Jake made it sound like he knew there was a Rolecop in the setup.
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
No. Which is why this argument is silly.
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Although I'm glad we all agree RR is town, I have no scum reads. With Jake's town flip, all I can do to possibly get a slight scum read is to analyze the wagon/the reaction to the wagon.
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What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
You should probably reread the end of D1. Jake made it sound like he knew there was a Rolecop in the setup.
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
No. Which is why this argument is silly.
Ah I found it. Post #586. I have no idea how I forgot that message. That was the post that actually had made me decide to vote for Jake. Oh boy, finals week does not make it easy to remember stuff outside of class material... Last exam is Wednesday, so after that my head should be more in the game.
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- LaLight pushes a thin argument, then at some point realizes that this may have been bad (?), but finally goes back to the Jake wagon (??)
I was at one point sure that Jake is a babysitter, but then he scumslipped with rolecop.
I'll be vla all the day :(
What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
I don't understand why so much time is being spent talking about whether or not this or that role would have asked the mod for clarification. I think everything that Jake did or said (or failed to do) was just a product of him being new. But seriously, how does answering that question help us find scum? If we are going to look at anything from that, it should be the people that are still alive and had a part in that.
So LaLight, I don't remember you actually explaining how asking that question would actually find scum when it was just a gotcha question that could trip up newbies of either alignment. I mean if someone can explain how asking about flavor names can find scum, then I'll be ok with it. I still just don't see it.
No one had flavour names, that was a known fact for LaLight. The central idea was that scum (when finding no flavour name) might not be willing to share any info because they might fear scunslipping while town would just say "have none".
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
Don't know, though I agree that scum would be more reluctant to share such info than town. The only thing town has to fear is townslipping after all...
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I'm still trying to figure out what to make of all this. Going to do a reread soonish if I can.
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What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
You should probably reread the end of D1. Jake made it sound like he knew there was a Rolecop in the setup.
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
No. Which is why this argument is silly.
Ah I found it. Post #586. I have no idea how I forgot that message. That was the post that actually had made me decide to vote for Jake. Oh boy, finals week does not make it easy to remember stuff outside of class material... Last exam is Wednesday, so after that my head should be more in the game.
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But you didn't vote for Jake...
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So, I'm kinda here, but will catch up soonish (not now).
Still thinking about Calamitas/IDPTG team.
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What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
You should probably reread the end of D1. Jake made it sound like he knew there was a Rolecop in the setup.
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
No. Which is why this argument is silly.
Ah I found it. Post #586. I have no idea how I forgot that message. That was the post that actually had made me decide to vote for Jake. Oh boy, finals week does not make it easy to remember stuff outside of class material... Last exam is Wednesday, so after that my head should be more in the game.
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But you didn't vote for Jake...
This is like the 3rd time I've said this, but I decided to vote for him when I read the message I referenced as I was catching up at the EoD, but then I kept reading and realized that the self-hammer had happened an hour before that. I know there's no way I can really prove that was my intention since it was literally impossible for me to vote at that point, but if it had gone long enough and no one changed their vote and he hadn't self-hammered, I would have declared intent to hammer as soon as I was caught up and then I would have been here ready to do so before the deadline.
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So, catching up.
Reactions of Dylan/RR are really sincere and they're obv!town for me (for now, RR could behave like that being scum I suppose?)
Till i hear something from IDPTG he is really scummy. Looks like newb!scum doesn't know what to do being surrounded by obv!townies and not wanting to bus the partner.
Calamitas is maybe trying to buddy me telling everyone my plan was good? That's what I'd do being scum i suppose. But that doesn't make me feel like he's town, it's easy to protect easy obvious plan for everyone.
PPE: 1
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Why do I have a strong feeling that the game is solved?..
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What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation. Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight
You should probably reread the end of D1. Jake made it sound like he knew there was a Rolecop in the setup.
Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?
No. Which is why this argument is silly.
Ah I found it. Post #586. I have no idea how I forgot that message. That was the post that actually had made me decide to vote for Jake. Oh boy, finals week does not make it easy to remember stuff outside of class material... Last exam is Wednesday, so after that my head should be more in the game.
unvote
But you didn't vote for Jake...
This is like the 3rd time I've said this, but I decided to vote for him when I read the message I referenced as I was catching up at the EoD, but then I kept reading and realized that the self-hammer had happened an hour before that. I know there's no way I can really prove that was my intention since it was literally impossible for me to vote at that point, but if it had gone long enough and no one changed their vote and he hadn't self-hammered, I would have declared intent to hammer as soon as I was caught up and then I would have been here ready to do so before the deadline.
Same for me, I got a PPE of about 25, and by the time I'd caught up, he'd self-hammered
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Why do I have a strong feeling that the game is solved?..
I don't know. I guess it could be, but I have a hard time believing it is really this easy, although I guess gkrieg solved a 12 person game after N1 recently, so maybe we got it. vote: Calamitas
I'm sure this is a product of an overworked brain thinking too much on too little sleep, but I want to share it anyway so I can remember to think about it later when I've slept. Consider this (admittedly slim) possibility:
LL is scum and is driving a Calamitas and IDPTG scum team. One of the two is town, the other is LL's partner. They push a lynch on the town person, thereby looking scummy. If they turn around and get lynched, remaining town might view the other one as an IC, making it easier for that person to survive and win on their own. Even if the scum partner is the one that is lynched, it would put the other person in a tough spot and make lynching them fairly probable I'd say. Even with that result, LL will have town points for the one lynched scum, and then if there are no PR influences on the number of NKs, LL would have a 2v1 with town facing possible LYLO, again depending on PR presence.
I know the above scenario is probably way too convoluted to actually be true, but I wanted to share it as an example of what my brain can come up with in mafia after 2 a.m... Who knows. Maybe there is something to it. I'll read this after I've slept more than 4 hours in a night.
PPE 1: Oh that's what you meant by "edit conflicted" in your post where you explained why you were off, Joseph. For some reason I didn't get what that phrase meant.
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Why do I have a strong feeling that the game is solved?..
I don't know. I guess it could be, but I have a hard time believing it is really this easy, although I guess gkrieg solved a 12 person game after N1 recently, so maybe we got it. vote: Calamitas
I'm sure this is a product of an overworked brain thinking too much on too little sleep, but I want to share it anyway so I can remember to think about it later when I've slept. Consider this (admittedly slim) possibility:
LL is scum and is driving a Calamitas and IDPTG scum team. One of the two is town, the other is LL's partner. They push a lynch on the town person, thereby looking scummy. If they turn around and get lynched, remaining town might view the other one as an IC, making it easier for that person to survive and win on their own. Even if the scum partner is the one that is lynched, it would put the other person in a tough spot and make lynching them fairly probable I'd say. Even with that result, LL will have town points for the one lynched scum, and then if there are no PR influences on the number of NKs, LL would have a 2v1 with town facing possible LYLO, again depending on PR presence.
I know the above scenario is probably way too convoluted to actually be true, but I wanted to share it as an example of what my brain can come up with in mafia after 2 a.m... Who knows. Maybe there is something to it. I'll read this after I've slept more than 4 hours in a night.
PPE 1: Oh that's what you meant by "edit conflicted" in your post where you explained why you were off, Joseph. For some reason I didn't get what that phrase meant.
This was kind of my thinking too.
Either:
(1). LL is scum, and he's bussing his partner (so Calamitas/IDPTG is the other scum)
(2). LL is town, and therefore Calamitas is probably scum, as LL's reads and logic about Calamitas makes a lot of sense if he's town. In this case, IDPTG may also be scum
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On the other hand, I thought D1 that IDPTG was reasonably towny.
But have they even posted at all today? Not seen anything from them D2.
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On the other hand, I thought D1 that IDPTG was reasonably towny.
But have they even posted at all today? Not seen anything from them D2.
What have he posted D1?
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On the other hand, I thought D1 that IDPTG was reasonably towny.
But have they even posted at all today? Not seen anything from them D2.
What have he posted D1?
IDontPlayThisGame: Completely new player getting into the hang of the game. He's trying to push game along by asking for contributions from inactive players, and some good posts made e.g. #200. This seems pro-town. D1 pass for him[/li][/list]
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Also another long post with decent thinking/content from them here:
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This is the thing I was trying to quote in the last post:
1. LaLight
Starts off the conversation by giving everyone a list of questions to answer. He wasn't opposed to the mass claim and said both sides had a point. I'm inclined to see those two as town-leaning, although the claim stance less so. He seems like helpful town LaLight from NM8 (assuming I'm remembering correctly). Going with town for now.
2. Calamitas
Mainly posting against the mass claim. As LaLight pointed out, both scenarios (claim vs no claim) help town, so I'm not convinced that this would indicate scum!Calamitas (is that the correct format?). Null read
3. JaketheBaseballGod22
Posted about Alec and created a defense against my accusation. As I said, his posts seem different from when I played with him as town, but that's mainly due to the grammar (which is a change I'm very happy to see). Still not convinced he's town, but I'm not totally sure that he's scum.
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4. NotTheRealAlec
Four posts. One votes Jake, one's a quote of the voting list, one says he'll be better about posting, and the last says he has no prior mafia experience. Nothing to read imo. Since it's his first game and people were kind enough to do this for me in mine, I'm not inclined to put him in today's lynch pool just because of lurking.
5. Joseph2302
Some RVS stuff and answering LaLight. Seemed to go VLA, so I don't think there's anything to read. I'm looking forward to his analysis.
6. Roadrunner7671
Talks about whether we're in RVS and takes a stance on claiming. He also confirms that Jake's account has not been compromised. Nothing to read yet.
8. faust
Tries to trick Alec into giving away his alignment. Personally, I support that move. Brings up, and subsequently defends, the mass claim. He also moves the game along by asking people (like yours truly) to stop saying we should move on and actually provide something to move on to. I don't know if that's a town or scum move; I'm inclined to think it's neither and it's for the sake of the game. [Oh, just a request. I'm fine with most nicknames, but I'd rather not get stuck with Idon] Overall, I'm leaning town vet trying to move the game along.
9. gkrieg13
Agrees with faust on claiming which is, as mentioned before, neutral. Supports lynching Jake, but I don't know if that means anything just now. I've got nothing.
So basically, we get to the end and all I have are town and null reads. It's possible that scum happen to be the people I'm not getting reads on, but I doubt that's the case given probability and the experienced people in this game. I need to learn how to read people because at this point I'm not doing much good for anyone.
PPE: 3
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I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon
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I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon
was it a (fake) townslip? There's 2 scum overall.
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I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon
was it a (fake) townslip? There's 2 scum overall.
This is not even a slip either way. Anyone would would have thought about it for a split second would have realized that there are 2 scum. So Joseph posted without thinking, and then he would also not have thought about having 1 partner. Either that, or it's a fabrication.
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I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon
was it a (fake) townslip? There's 2 scum overall.
This is not even a slip either way. Anyone would would have thought about it for a split second would have realized that there are 2 scum. So Joseph posted without thinking, and then he would also not have thought about having 1 partner. Either that, or it's a fabrication.
There's only 2 scum in 9 player game?
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Clearly I haven't read the setup.
Got it confused with Resistance: Avalon which has 3 scum in 9 player
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So, if LL is town, then probably Calamitas is scum, and maybe IDPTG as well.
But if LL is scum, then who is LL's partner?
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Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.
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Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.
Joseph hasn't played mafia for at least 3 months.
Probably should have read the setup just to be safe.
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Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.
I believe Joseph here.
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Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.
I believe Joseph here.
Interesting.
I think LL is town now.
If LL were scum, I reckon they'd try and start a mislynch wagon on me.
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I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.
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And if LL is town, then by the logic previously from LL, it seems the most likely scum is Calamitas.
Vote: Calamitas
PPE: 1
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I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.
Why?
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Request: Vote Count
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I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.
Why?
Good question. I forgot that your approach to the Jake wagon was pretty towny.
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I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.
Why?
Good question. I forgot that your approach to the Jake wagon was pretty towny.
Why was it? I'm on phone now, and can't find it, but Calamitas looked scummy in all D1 end thing
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I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.
Why?
Good question. I forgot that your approach to the Jake wagon was pretty towny.
Why was it? I'm on phone now, and can't find it, but Calamitas looked scummy in all D1 end thing
He was all like 'yo you guys suck. Jake literally scumslipped, and I'm about to get lynched. Really?"
Which I thought was a more calculated and calmer version of how I reacted.
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
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Vote Count 2.2
Calamitas (3): LaLight, Dylan, Joseph
Joseph (2): Roadrunner, Calamitas
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, faust
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
This makes no sense man.
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So, Calamitas is on L-1 (unannounced if you ask me). What do we do with this guy? Hang or drown? :)
Ppe: 1
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
This makes no sense man.
Ah, got it, I'm an idiot. I thought you counter your reactions. Though still, calculated reactions are more on the scummy side.
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
This makes no sense man.
Ah, got it, I'm an idiot. I thought you counter your reactions. Though still, calculated reactions are more on the scummy side.
I think scum would be super confused, because Jake scumslipped and scum knew Jake was town, so they would've had no idea what to do.
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
This makes no sense man.
Ah, got it, I'm an idiot. I thought you counter your reactions. Though still, calculated reactions are more on the scummy side.
I think scum would be super confused, because Jake scumslipped and scum knew Jake was town, so they would've had no idea what to do.
Why confused? It's such a great opportunity! Every scum would just use it to push on Jake.
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
This makes no sense man.
Ah, got it, I'm an idiot. I thought you counter your reactions. Though still, calculated reactions are more on the scummy side.
I think scum would be super confused, because Jake scumslipped and scum knew Jake was town, so they would've had no idea what to do.
Why confused? It's such a great opportunity! Every scum would just use it to push on Jake.
But I did that and I'm a universal town read.
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You are. Calamitas is not.
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Vote Count 2.2
Calamitas (3): LaLight, Dylan, Joseph
Joseph (2): Roadrunner, Calamitas
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, faust
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.
Oh, so that was L-1 on Calamitas
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And that's why he's town? So you're scum then?
This makes no sense man.
Ah, got it, I'm an idiot. I thought you counter your reactions. Though still, calculated reactions are more on the scummy side.
I think scum would be super confused, because Jake scumslipped and scum knew Jake was town, so they would've had no idea what to do.
Why confused? It's such a great opportunity! Every scum would just use it to push on Jake.
Don't think so. Every town would try to get a lynch through because scumslipps are very very strong evidence. Scum on the other hand might want to avoid such wagons to look towny. This is why I really don't like Joseph here (look at his D2 entry post). If anything, staying off wagon is scummy here.
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So, Calamitas is on L-1 (unannounced if you ask me). What do we do with this guy? Hang or drown? :)
Ppe: 1
Was unannounced, but I didn't realise. Hence the vote count request.
PPE: 1
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So this is interesting. I think I'd like to take a look at the Calamitas wagon we had on D1.
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I don't like that Calamitas is not scumreading me. That would frame me if he will be scum in the end.
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Also, does anyone have a case on Joseph?
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I don't like that Calamitas is not scumreading me. That would frame me if he will be scum in the end.
Maybe if you did something really scummy just about now...
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Also, does anyone have a case on Joseph?
Calamitas does afaik
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This isn't really a case, but throughout D1 Joseph kept telling/reminding people that he was a vet, yet he seems to be flying under the radar to me. Especially since gkrieg is dead, he might want to stop flying under the radar! It's unlikely that both him and faust are scum, so two loud vet voices would be nice.
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Also, does anyone have a case on Joseph?
I really don't like #660 and #664.
I don't feel like those are coming from a town player who just saw someone scumslipping twice to flip town. Also, I don't like him dismissing the scumslip the day before likr that. Seemed to be played that way to get townpoints after the flip.
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@faust, as far as i remember, you were tunneling Calamitas most of the time D1 and (i believe) in the beginning of D2. What changed?
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Also, does anyone have a case on Joseph?
I really don't like #660 and #664.
I don't feel like those are coming from a town player who just saw someone scumslipping twice to flip town. Also, I don't like him dismissing the scumslip the day before likr that. Seemed to be played that way to get townpoints after the flip.
Hm, point taken, but I would have hoped for a more general evaluation of Joseph's play so far.
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@faust, as far as i remember, you were tunneling Calamitas most of the time D1 and (i believe) in the beginning of D2. What changed?
Changed? Nothing changed. I pushed my weak D1 reads on D1. Now we've had a lynch, and a flip.
I'm still having a mild scum read on Calamitas, but other players have been scummy too and it's more than can possibly be scum.
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@faust, as far as i remember, you were tunneling Calamitas most of the time D1 and (i believe) in the beginning of D2. What changed?
Changed? Nothing changed. I pushed my weak D1 reads on D1. Now we've had a lynch, and a flip.
I'm still having a mild scum read on Calamitas, but other players have been scummy too and it's more than can possibly be scum.
Sorry if you already posted that, but who else is scummy? I don't think you mentioned your scumreads... or i am just poor-memory guy :)
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@faust, as far as i remember, you were tunneling Calamitas most of the time D1 and (i believe) in the beginning of D2. What changed?
Changed? Nothing changed. I pushed my weak D1 reads on D1. Now we've had a lynch, and a flip.
I'm still having a mild scum read on Calamitas, but other players have been scummy too and it's more than can possibly be scum.
Sorry if you already posted that, but who else is scummy? I don't think you mentioned your scumreads... or i am just poor-memory guy :)
I mentioned my town reads: RR and Dylan. The rest has been scummy.
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After thinking about it a bit more, I believe that Calamitas has been townier with regards to the Jake lynch than any of {Joseph, LaLight, Idplay}.
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
He is scummy, but seems like everyone thinks there are more scummy people. Also i am still waiting promised reads from Idplay. Why not Calamitas?
And am i right that you think that other than Calamitas it's {Joseph; Me; Idplay} you think are scummy? That's pretty mych everyone outside RR and Dylan (who everyone thinks are townie).
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
He is scummy, but seems like everyone thinks there are more scummy people. Also i am still waiting promised reads from Idplay. Why not Calamitas?
And am i right that you think that other than Calamitas it's {Joseph; Me; Idplay} you think are scummy? That's pretty mych everyone outside RR and Dylan (who everyone thinks are townie).
Can you make a rating out of your reads?
Like:
1) Calamitas
2) Idplay
3) Joseph
4) Faust
5) Dylan
6) RR
I just don't understand what happens in your mind and looks like you like to keep it to yourself. I need a town-team to play with.
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
He is scummy, but seems like everyone thinks there are more scummy people. Also i am still waiting promised reads from Idplay. Why not Calamitas?
And am i right that you think that other than Calamitas it's {Joseph; Me; Idplay} you think are scummy? That's pretty mych everyone outside RR and Dylan (who everyone thinks are townie).
I'm kind of buying that Calamitas actually believed that Jake scumslipped is why.
Yes it is. There are not a whole lot of players left, you know. If I had already limited my lynchpool down to 2 people, I would happily push for their lynch instead of trying to figure stuff out more.
PPE: 1
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
He is scummy, but seems like everyone thinks there are more scummy people. Also i am still waiting promised reads from Idplay. Why not Calamitas?
And am i right that you think that other than Calamitas it's {Joseph; Me; Idplay} you think are scummy? That's pretty mych everyone outside RR and Dylan (who everyone thinks are townie).
I'm kind of buying that Calamitas actually believed that Jake scumslipped is why.
Yes it is. There are not a whole lot of players left, you know. If I had already limited my lynchpool down to 2 people, I would happily push for their lynch instead of trying to figure stuff out more.
PPE: 1
For me it felt like he was just pushing this lynch hard and after that tried to prove my plan was actually good and served as a trigger to that. But since we lynched VT, my plan was not good.
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
He is scummy, but seems like everyone thinks there are more scummy people. Also i am still waiting promised reads from Idplay. Why not Calamitas?
And am i right that you think that other than Calamitas it's {Joseph; Me; Idplay} you think are scummy? That's pretty mych everyone outside RR and Dylan (who everyone thinks are townie).
Can you make a rating out of your reads?
Like:
1) Calamitas
2) Idplay
3) Joseph
4) Faust
5) Dylan
6) RR
I just don't understand what happens in your mind and looks like you like to keep it to yourself. I need a town-team to play with.
I think I'm pretty clear, and I mean I made a long reread post that you can read; pretty much everything is in there.
But sure, from scum to town right now is something like
Idplay > Joseph > LaLight > Calamitas > Dylan >> RR
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And it's curious that Idplay doesn't get any votes even though several people put them down as scummy. So vote: Idplay.
He is scummy, but seems like everyone thinks there are more scummy people. Also i am still waiting promised reads from Idplay. Why not Calamitas?
And am i right that you think that other than Calamitas it's {Joseph; Me; Idplay} you think are scummy? That's pretty mych everyone outside RR and Dylan (who everyone thinks are townie).
Can you make a rating out of your reads?
Like:
1) Calamitas
2) Idplay
3) Joseph
4) Faust
5) Dylan
6) RR
I just don't understand what happens in your mind and looks like you like to keep it to yourself. I need a town-team to play with.
I think I'm pretty clear, and I mean I made a long reread post that you can read; pretty much everything is in there.
But sure, from scum to town right now is something like
Idplay > Joseph > LaLight > Calamitas > Dylan >> RR
got a computer
found a post
reread.
ooookay there is not much about Calamitas at all. Analysis of the one post? Get me right, I'm not eager to lynch just someone, I'm actually waiting Idplay's reads, I'm actually convinced Calamitas is scum.
And after all, if we just agree that RR and Dylan are town, the game is really kinda solved! I'm sure you're town, I am town and there's a strong coalition of 4 players. If Idplay won't come I will be willing to vote him also, cause I still think the both are scum. But if we take out Calamitas, it mat be easier, cause I know he can be a really strong scum player.
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Also, (don't get me wrong, everyone) I'm really-really interested what roles are there. Don't claim of course, people, I am just REALLY interested.
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Also, if there is really a Weak Visitor, that may be a time to claim :)
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got a computer
found a post
reread.
ooookay there is not much about Calamitas at all. Analysis of the one post? Get me right, I'm not eager to lynch just someone, I'm actually waiting Idplay's reads, I'm actually convinced Calamitas is scum.
And after all, if we just agree that RR and Dylan are town, the game is really kinda solved! I'm sure you're town, I am town and there's a strong coalition of 4 players. If Idplay won't come I will be willing to vote him also, cause I still think the both are scum. But if we take out Calamitas, it mat be easier, cause I know he can be a really strong scum player.
Is it eager town? Is it scum lining up mislynches? I'm torn. LaLight does seem townier to me today. I think I should reread his D1 at some point.
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faust:
I said I felt like either faust or gkrieg was scum and gkrieg flipped VT, so that would mean I think faust is scum. That said, he doesn't seem to have done much today that seems scummy. I'm not convinced that means much though. If town doesn't need much prodding to go through with a mislynch, I could see scum staying under the radar. Wouldn't that implicate IDPTG, you ask yourself? Well, yes, but honestly life came up and I didn't get a chance to follow through on my promise. You decide if you believe that; I don't think there's much I can do to convince you otherwise if you decide I was just lurking. Anyway, leaning scum on faust.
RR:
His behavior has seemed pretty scummy to me, but it also reminds me of the game I played with him where I read him the same way and he was town. I don't think him pushing the jake wagon means anything. He seems to do that. Null.
Calamitas:
I'm not seeing all the scum reads that you folks are. I'm also not getting any town feelings from him. Null.
Dylan:
One of the few reads I have confidence in. A lot of what he's said has been similar to my thoughts and in general I've found myself agreeing with him. As such, reasonably convinced he's town.
LaLight:
The whole jake thing D1 seemed a bit sketchy and I'm not entirely buying his explanation for why it was a town move. Of the three people he was considering to ask the question (which I believe was me, Jake, and Dylan; I'm on my phone, otherwise I'd check), he picked, in my opinion, the one most likely to act without thinking. Convincing people to lynch Jake hasn't been hard (from what I've seen), so getting any kind of response with a logical flaw gives enough of a window to try to make something happen. He's also been pushing me lately, so this looks a bit like OMGUS. Reading him mildly as scum.
Joseph:
I'm not getting much from him. I feel like there's something to read in his D2, I'm just not seeing it.
A LaLight / faust scum team could be interesting. I don't have anything concrete to back it up, I'm just throwing it out there.
PPE: 2
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faust:
I said I felt like either faust or gkrieg was scum and gkrieg flipped VT, so that would mean I think faust is scum. That said, he doesn't seem to have done much today that seems scummy. I'm not convinced that means much though. If town doesn't need much prodding to go through with a mislynch, I could see scum staying under the radar. Wouldn't that implicate IDPTG, you ask yourself? Well, yes, but honestly life came up and I didn't get a chance to follow through on my promise. You decide if you believe that; I don't think there's much I can do to convince you otherwise if you decide I was just lurking. Anyway, leaning scum on faust.
I've read it twice. Thrice. Still have no clue where your read comes from.
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faust:
I said I felt like either faust or gkrieg was scum and gkrieg flipped VT, so that would mean I think faust is scum. That said, he doesn't seem to have done much today that seems scummy. I'm not convinced that means much though. If town doesn't need much prodding to go through with a mislynch, I could see scum staying under the radar. Wouldn't that implicate IDPTG, you ask yourself? Well, yes, but honestly life came up and I didn't get a chance to follow through on my promise. You decide if you believe that; I don't think there's much I can do to convince you otherwise if you decide I was just lurking. Anyway, leaning scum on faust.
RR:
His behavior has seemed pretty scummy to me, but it also reminds me of the game I played with him where I read him the same way and he was town. I don't think him pushing the jake wagon means anything. He seems to do that. Null.
Calamitas:
I'm not seeing all the scum reads that you folks are. I'm also not getting any town feelings from him. Null.
Dylan:
One of the few reads I have confidence in. A lot of what he's said has been similar to my thoughts and in general I've found myself agreeing with him. As such, reasonably convinced he's town.
LaLight:
The whole jake thing D1 seemed a bit sketchy and I'm not entirely buying his explanation for why it was a town move. Of the three people he was considering to ask the question (which I believe was me, Jake, and Dylan; I'm on my phone, otherwise I'd check), he picked, in my opinion, the one most likely to act without thinking. Convincing people to lynch Jake hasn't been hard (from what I've seen), so getting any kind of response with a logical flaw gives enough of a window to try to make something happen. He's also been pushing me lately, so this looks a bit like OMGUS. Reading him mildly as scum.
Joseph:
I'm not getting much from him. I feel like there's something to read in his D2, I'm just not seeing it.
A LaLight / faust scum team could be interesting. I don't have anything concrete to back it up, I'm just throwing it out there.
PPE: 2
That is very interesting. Double OMGUS on me/faust and null on RR and Calamitas... I'm not quite sure what to do with that. Null on RR seems the strangest thing here. I can't understand how can it be null. And null on Calamitas... Well, that might be explained as the same hedgy position he had about Jake... Or is he nulling his partner? I think Idplay is intelligent enough to know when it's time to mildly bus. Also Joseph is null also.
Overall I have a feeling this is more town post but looking through it I can't avoid the feeling it is scum adjusting and weighing every word he said...
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So here's the thing...
@faust: I started responding in an attempt to clarify my stance on you. The more I typed, the less sense the argument was making. It basically hinged on a bizarre theory (implicating you and Calamitas as the scum team) and my general distrust of both you and gkrieg being town.
@LaLight: The null read on RR is because I'm reading him as scum but the for the same reasons I read him as scum last game. Given that he wasn't scum that game, I no longer have faith in those reads. I'd need something else to convince me that he's scum beyond that.
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So here's the thing...
@faust: I started responding in an attempt to clarify my stance on you. The more I typed, the less sense the argument was making. It basically hinged on a bizarre theory (implicating you and Calamitas as the scum team) and my general distrust of both you and gkrieg being town.
@LaLight: The null read on RR is because I'm reading him as scum but the for the same reasons I read him as scum last game. Given that he wasn't scum that game, I no longer have faith in those reads. I'd need something else to convince me that he's scum beyond that.
Why are you reading him as scum?
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I wish I had some scum-hunting plan...
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So here's the thing...
@faust: I started responding in an attempt to clarify my stance on you. The more I typed, the less sense the argument was making. It basically hinged on a bizarre theory (implicating you and Calamitas as the scum team) and my general distrust of both you and gkrieg being town.
@LaLight: The null read on RR is because I'm reading him as scum but the for the same reasons I read him as scum last game. Given that he wasn't scum that game, I no longer have faith in those reads. I'd need something else to convince me that he's scum beyond that.
Why are you reading him as scum?
Went through his posts. His D1 was hardcore lynch Jake. He's pretty much vanished D2. His posts have all been short and there hasn't been a whole lot of material. In other words, my exact argument from M89.
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I wish I had some scum-hunting plan...
I forgot to add PPE: 1 (due to this post) to my other post.
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I wish I had some scum-hunting plan...
You mean like your last one?
Better not :P
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Faust, looking at your list, it looks like you just stuck the two quietest or most under the radar at the bottom of your list. I agree one of them is probably scum, because the way this game has gone, if people weren't actively pointing it out now, under the radar would probably be the best place for scum to be. However, I don't think they probably both are, because that would probably be too suspicious if they suddenly needed to start talking to direct attention away from themselves. It sounds like Joseph has been around long enough that he would make sure either he or his partner were more active to prevent that. Either one could still be scum, but if Joseph is one, then I think his partner is probably someone who has been steering the conversation while he sat back until later.
That being said, this could be his normal level of posting and involvement and I'm reading too much into him being quiet.
IDPTG, about your reads: I've played one game with town!RR and one with scum!RR, and I read him backwards both games for periods of time. I agree that he has been more similar to town!RR than scum!RR, so I'm reading him as pretty towny. Although admittedly his limited involvement D2 is keeping me from personally calling him conf!town just yet.
Also IDPTG, I'm glad someone has been following my logic so far, but as a matter of improving your play, just because someone is saying what you are thinking doesn't always mean they are town. It can help you clarify your reads sometimes, but sometimes scum will overly agree with you or take sensible stances that you agree with just to get you on their side to help prevent wagons on them. I've been duped by scum who was doing that before and it sucks, so in the future maybe don't use that as your sole reason for town reading someone.
It seems like Faust has been moving the game forward a decent amount. Since it sounds like he is one of the if not the most experienced vets in this game, I would imagine he would be more than capable of doing that as both alignments. However, considering D1 was dominated by other people and led to a mislynch, I'm ok with viewing him as town for now since other people have been way more scummy than him. That being said, I don't feel as strongly about that as I do that RR is probably town.
Everyone has given me some reason to suspect they are scum at some point or another.
As has already been well covered, IDPTG's inactivity is either newb!scum or busy!town. I totally understand life happening, so if they continue to be more active like they have been very recently, I'm willing to accept it as busy!town, but for now the best I can say is scum to null with clear path to null/town by being more active.
Calamitas in general has just given off scummy vibes to me, from the way he handled the claim/don't claim discussion to pushing for Jake to self-hammer. I don't have a problem with him voting for or being so adamant that Jake scumslipped, but that early self-hammer push just sucked for wagon and EoD analysis later, even if he is town with good intentions. As of right now, he would be my favorite lynch, but I'm not so dead set on it that I wouldn't consider or support other wagons too. There are two scum after all!
LL's trick question to Jake did just seem like an elaborate setup. Even if IDPTG or I had received that question, either of us might have been tripped up by it because until I thought about it more carefully I thought flavor name and your role were related too. So my initial reaction mentally would have been similar to Jake's in thinking it meant claim your role and not wanting to say anything, although I hope I would have handled it and worded everything different. LL has also talked a decent amount about a Calamitas/IDPTG scum team and the game being solved, but then has been hedgy and looking elsewhere, like with the "I wish I had a scum-hunting plan..." post. If you really thought that was the team, or at least that was your entire lynch pool, wouldn't you just push harder for town to move towards one of them? While scum!LL would already know that is an artificial lynch pool and therefore hedge their bets for when they flipped town later. Then there is the possibility I laid out earlier where one of the two is the other scum. On the other hand, I could see an unsure town speculating on a scum team and then looking elsewhere too, so I'm not sure how to take this. I would lynch, but I think I would rather see how either Calamitas, IDPTG, or Joseph flip before deciding on LL, because I'm inclined to think LL was sincerely trying to catch scum, even though I don't agree with the tactics from D1.
If you want a ranking (well, I guess whether you want it or not cuz here it is), I would say right now I see it as:
(scum) Calamitas >> IDPTG >= Joseph > LL > faust >> RR (town).
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I want to get more involved, but after Jake being town my world has been turned upside down. I have no idea who is town or scum. IDPTG might be scum, Calamitas might be, maybe Faust. I have no flipping clue.
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I want to get more involved, but after Jake being town my world has been turned upside down. I have no idea who is town or scum. IDPTG might be scum, Calamitas might be, maybe Faust. I have no flipping clue.
I feel you. The game EFHW and I got modkilled, I was in shock for days following EFHW's town flip haha.
But lynching one of the people you listed would give you a flipping clue *ba dum tis* get it? I'll be here all week.
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I think Dylan is town
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Vote Count 2.3
Calamitas (3): LaLight, Dylan, Joseph
Joseph (2): Roadrunner, Calamitas
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.
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Vote Count 2.3
Calamitas (3): LaLight, Dylan, Joseph
Joseph (2): Roadrunner, Calamitas
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.
So we're halfway through our time.
No need to panic then.
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RoadRunner, you say you have no scum reads and still, you're voting for Joseph. Why?
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Right now for me:
LaLight - towny to me
Calamitas - slightly scummy, because LL is towny & LL made some good arguments that he was scummy
Dylan32 - slightly towny
Joseph2302 - IC
Roadrunner7671 - town (have I ever said this about RR before?)
IDontPlayThisGame - null read, although he definitely could be scum (and my list lacks scum candidates)
faust - I think he's town, and someone is deliberately leaving him alive so we'll think he's scum. As faust often gets NKed.
So order of lynch preferences would be:
Calamitas > IDPTG > Dylan = faust > LL > RR >> Joseph
PPE: 1
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RoadRunner, you say you have no scum reads and still, you're voting for Joseph. Why?
Why not?
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RoadRunner, you say you have no scum reads and still, you're voting for Joseph. Why?
Why not?
If you will just throw your vpte around, we will have LyLo next day.
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I could change to IDPTG, that's probably a better idea. Unvote I'll think about it.
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RoadRunner, you say you have no scum reads and still, you're voting for Joseph. Why?
Why not?
Because vote for scum instead.
Or at least give a reason for a vote
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What is the case on me?
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What is the case on me?
There is no case on you!
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What is the case on me?
There is no case on you!
LL had a case on you
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What is the case on me?
There is no case on you!
LL had a case on you
It was #debunked.
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Faust, looking at your list, it looks like you just stuck the two quietest or most under the radar at the bottom of your list. I agree one of them is probably scum, because the way this game has gone, if people weren't actively pointing it out now, under the radar would probably be the best place for scum to be. However, I don't think they probably both are, because that would probably be too suspicious if they suddenly needed to start talking to direct attention away from themselves. It sounds like Joseph has been around long enough that he would make sure either he or his partner were more active to prevent that. Either one could still be scum, but if Joseph is one, then I think his partner is probably someone who has been steering the conversation while he sat back until later.
There is some value in this, but:
a) I hope to just lynch scum today. I'm not looking for partner interaction just yet. Both of them are scummy individually, but it's possible that if one of them flips scum I start townreading the other because they don't make sense as partners.
b) Sometimes IRL stuff happens and you cannot be as active as you wanted. This can also apply to scum!Joseph.
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RoadRunner, you say you have no scum reads and still, you're voting for Joseph. Why?
Why not?
This is the kind of thing that confuses me. RR, you were avoiding voting during RVS, but voting with no reason seems to be the definition of RVS. Why the change?
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Faust, looking at your list, it looks like you just stuck the two quietest or most under the radar at the bottom of your list. I agree one of them is probably scum, because the way this game has gone, if people weren't actively pointing it out now, under the radar would probably be the best place for scum to be. However, I don't think they probably both are, because that would probably be too suspicious if they suddenly needed to start talking to direct attention away from themselves. It sounds like Joseph has been around long enough that he would make sure either he or his partner were more active to prevent that. Either one could still be scum, but if Joseph is one, then I think his partner is probably someone who has been steering the conversation while he sat back until later.
There is some value in this, but:
a) I hope to just lynch scum today. I'm not looking for partner interaction just yet. Both of them are scummy individually, but it's possible that if one of them flips scum I start townreading the other because they don't make sense as partners.
b) Sometimes IRL stuff happens and you cannot be as active as you wanted. This can also apply to scum!Joseph.
This happens to town!Joseph as well
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Faust, looking at your list, it looks like you just stuck the two quietest or most under the radar at the bottom of your list. I agree one of them is probably scum, because the way this game has gone, if people weren't actively pointing it out now, under the radar would probably be the best place for scum to be. However, I don't think they probably both are, because that would probably be too suspicious if they suddenly needed to start talking to direct attention away from themselves. It sounds like Joseph has been around long enough that he would make sure either he or his partner were more active to prevent that. Either one could still be scum, but if Joseph is one, then I think his partner is probably someone who has been steering the conversation while he sat back until later.
There is some value in this, but:
a) I hope to just lynch scum today. I'm not looking for partner interaction just yet. Both of them are scummy individually, but it's possible that if one of them flips scum I start townreading the other because they don't make sense as partners.
b) Sometimes IRL stuff happens and you cannot be as active as you wanted. This can also apply to scum!Joseph.
This happens to town!Joseph as well
Yes... my point was that Dylan seemed to assume it could only happen to town!Joseph.
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Faust, looking at your list, it looks like you just stuck the two quietest or most under the radar at the bottom of your list. I agree one of them is probably scum, because the way this game has gone, if people weren't actively pointing it out now, under the radar would probably be the best place for scum to be. However, I don't think they probably both are, because that would probably be too suspicious if they suddenly needed to start talking to direct attention away from themselves. It sounds like Joseph has been around long enough that he would make sure either he or his partner were more active to prevent that. Either one could still be scum, but if Joseph is one, then I think his partner is probably someone who has been steering the conversation while he sat back until later.
There is some value in this, but:
a) I hope to just lynch scum today. I'm not looking for partner interaction just yet. Both of them are scummy individually, but it's possible that if one of them flips scum I start townreading the other because they don't make sense as partners.
b) Sometimes IRL stuff happens and you cannot be as active as you wanted. This can also apply to scum!Joseph.
This happens to town!Joseph as well
Yes... my point was that Dylan seemed to assume it could only happen to town!Joseph.
Well if he thinks i'm town, then he's 1 step closer to finding scum :)
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And real life has been busy.
Work, board games, online board games, beta testing the Dominion app.
It's not leaving me much time for this.
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And real life has been busy.
Work, board games, online board games, beta testing the Dominion app.
It's not leaving me much time for this.
You should get your priorities straight.
Clearly work isn't all that important.
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And real life has been busy.
Work, board games, online board games, beta testing the Dominion app.
It's not leaving me much time for this.
You should get your priorities straight.
Clearly work isn't all that important.
Not at the moment it isn't.
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What is the case on me?
There is no case on you!
LL had a case on you
It was #debunked.
I said in my post why I thought you were scummy, and you haven't given a reason why you pushed for the self-hammer, so my reason wasn't #debunked. The only thing you said about that was you weren't sorry and wouldn't have changed what you did, but you didn't give a real reason why you thought it was necessary.
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What is the case on me?
There is no case on you!
LL had a case on you
It was #debunked.
I said in my post why I thought you were scummy, and you haven't given a reason why you pushed for the self-hammer, so my reason wasn't #debunked. The only thing you said about that was you weren't sorry and wouldn't have changed what you did, but you didn't give a real reason why you thought it was necessary.
I was pretty damn confident he was scum and knew that there wouldn't be any chance of us going for someone else. And besides, this is not in any way scummy. Do you really think scum!Calamitas is more likely to pull something like that than town!Calamitas (I'm speaking of actual scumminess here (scum-indicative) and not of anti-townieness or stereotypical scumminess)
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I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through. But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon. I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off. Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you. Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone. I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said. So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today. But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over. I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active. If not, then I'll switch over.
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I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through. But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon. I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off. Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you. Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone. I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said. So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today. But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over. I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active. If not, then I'll switch over.
But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?
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I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through. But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon. I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off. Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you. Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone. I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said. So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today. But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over. I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active. If not, then I'll switch over.
But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?
Yeah me too. So why were you so concerned that no one else was going to deliver the hammer that you pushed him to self-hammer? If the lynch was as sure thing as you believe (it was), and if scum was more likely than town to stay off wagon, why not give someone else a chance to get on the wagon to narrow the pool of people for you to look at the next day? It just didn't make sense and wasn't necessary. Even if you are town, I just still really don't like that move.
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I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through. But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon. I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off. Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you. Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone. I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said. So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today. But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over. I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active. If not, then I'll switch over.
But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?
Yeah me too. So why were you so concerned that no one else was going to deliver the hammer that you pushed him to self-hammer? If the lynch was as sure thing as you believe (it was), and if scum was more likely than town to stay off wagon, why not give someone else a chance to get on the wagon to narrow the pool of people for you to look at the next day? It just didn't make sense and wasn't necessary. Even if you are town, I just still really don't like that move.
I was basically positive he wouldn't actually follow through. But either way, the fact that you "don't like it" doesn't make it scummy in the slightest, scum tries to play pro-town after all (at least that early).
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I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through. But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon. I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off. Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you. Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone. I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said. So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today. But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over. I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active. If not, then I'll switch over.
But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?
Yeah me too. So why were you so concerned that no one else was going to deliver the hammer that you pushed him to self-hammer? If the lynch was as sure thing as you believe (it was), and if scum was more likely than town to stay off wagon, why not give someone else a chance to get on the wagon to narrow the pool of people for you to look at the next day? It just didn't make sense and wasn't necessary. Even if you are town, I just still really don't like that move.
I was basically positive he wouldn't actually follow through. But either way, the fact that you "don't like it" doesn't make it scummy in the slightest, scum tries to play pro-town after all (at least that early).
I'm not sure why you would think Jake wouldn't follow through on that, but ok.
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I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through. But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon. I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off. Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you. Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone. I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said. So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today. But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over. I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active. If not, then I'll switch over.
But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?
Yeah me too. So why were you so concerned that no one else was going to deliver the hammer that you pushed him to self-hammer? If the lynch was as sure thing as you believe (it was), and if scum was more likely than town to stay off wagon, why not give someone else a chance to get on the wagon to narrow the pool of people for you to look at the next day? It just didn't make sense and wasn't necessary. Even if you are town, I just still really don't like that move.
I was basically positive he wouldn't actually follow through. But either way, the fact that you "don't like it" doesn't make it scummy in the slightest, scum tries to play pro-town after all (at least that early).
I'm not sure why you would think Jake wouldn't follow through on that, but ok.
Ehm, I was basically positive he was scum
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Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?
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I want people to switch to Idplay.
Also, I'm hoping to do targeted rereads at some point, but today was busy and tomorrow I won't have time either.
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Also it bothers me that I seem to be the only one doing rereads.
I thought it might be interesting to at gkrieg's reads too. He was pretty good as town in that other game, maybe scum got scared of his reads?
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I'm willing to switch to IDPTG, as I have expressed. I will reread him though. Maybe right now!
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Also it bothers me that I seem to be the only one doing rereads.
I thought it might be interesting to at gkrieg's reads too. He was pretty good as town in that other game, maybe scum got scared of his reads?
Or that is just wifom...
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
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Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?
Well, if IDPTG starts engaging more between now and the deadline, my biggest reason for suspecting them will be reduced, and I will be less likely to want to vote for them. My comment about waiting should be interpreted more along the lines of, I'm ok with where my vote is now, but if the situation calls for a change later, I will consider it then.
PPE 2
Also it bothers me that I seem to be the only one doing rereads.
I thought it might be interesting to at gkrieg's reads too. He was pretty good as town in that other game, maybe scum got scared of his reads?
Yeah, I'll go back and so some later, but I have an exam in a few hours that I really should be studying for. But if scum killed gkrieg out of fear of his reads, that would scream newb!scum, because that seems like the last thing scum would want to do, isn't it? I mean, that's mafia 101.
PPE 3 again
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What do you think about our main lynch candidates? LaLight, Calamitas, maybe gkrieg?
This was scummy, as it was at the time where we were pressuring Jake to claim.
Wait, Jake was town. So this is either towny or scummy. Not sure which ::)
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IDPlay was also suppppper hedgey on the Jake lynch. Someone has said that, but it's true! But we need to hear more from him.
That being said, Vote: IDPTG
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Unvote
I'm checking up on faust, actually. Contributing doesn't mean town for faust.
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Will read and respond to the above posts tomorrow.
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Will read and respond to the above posts tomorrow.
Please respond to #832.
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Possibly a mistake, but posting while angry.
Honestly, if I get mislynched for inactivity at this point I won't even mad. There's no way I could blame you. It's been one thing after another for why I can't post and the next one is the best.
A little bit about my life. I work in one town and live in another. The only way for me to get back and forth takes about 1.5 hours if I'm lucky, usually 2. They don't pay me enough to commute twice each day, but thankfully a relative lives in the town I work. So I stay with her for the days I'm working. For one reason or another, my relative doesn't have internet service. While working, therefore, my only access to the forum (and Dominion, and email, and every other facet of my life) is my phone. Thankfully nothing uses up too much data so access hasn't been an issue. Until now.
My phone has this glitch where sometimes it doesn't recognize that I've given it the correct unlock code. The first time this happened, I put in the emergency backup PIN when prompted and it let me in and everything was fine. Since this seemed like an acceptable outcome, I never got it fixed. It's happened a couple times since then. Then, today, it did it again. Except this time, it didn't recognize the backup PIN either. I know I have the right PIN and entered it correctly. I'm down to 1 attempt remaining before the factory reset. There's too much that hasn't been backed up for me to acknowledge the reset as a viable option. So I can't access my phone and, therefore, everything. I'm currently in a library parking lot getting wifi on a Chromebook to post this. At most I'll be able to get about one post here a day and right now I'm focused on unlocking my phone rather than going through this game and doing reads.
So that's my latest reason for inactivity. If anyone knows anything about fixing this issue for a Samsung Galaxy S5, let me know and (hopefully) I'll even see it.
Also, to answer Calamitas, until Jake's claim I was convinced he was scum. After the claim, I wasn't surprised at all to see him flip town.
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Possibly a mistake, but posting while angry.
Honestly, if I get mislynched for inactivity at this point I won't even mad. There's no way I could blame you. It's been one thing after another for why I can't post and the next one is the best.
A little bit about my life. I work in one town and live in another. The only way for me to get back and forth takes about 1.5 hours if I'm lucky, usually 2. They don't pay me enough to commute twice each day, but thankfully a relative lives in the town I work. So I stay with her for the days I'm working. For one reason or another, my relative doesn't have internet service. While working, therefore, my only access to the forum (and Dominion, and email, and every other facet of my life) is my phone. Thankfully nothing uses up too much data so access hasn't been an issue. Until now.
My phone has this glitch where sometimes it doesn't recognize that I've given it the correct unlock code. The first time this happened, I put in the emergency backup PIN when prompted and it let me in and everything was fine. Since this seemed like an acceptable outcome, I never got it fixed. It's happened a couple times since then. Then, today, it did it again. Except this time, it didn't recognize the backup PIN either. I know I have the right PIN and entered it correctly. I'm down to 1 attempt remaining before the factory reset. There's too much that hasn't been backed up for me to acknowledge the reset as a viable option. So I can't access my phone and, therefore, everything. I'm currently in a library parking lot getting wifi on a Chromebook to post this. At most I'll be able to get about one post here a day and right now I'm focused on unlocking my phone rather than going through this game and doing reads.
So that's my latest reason for inactivity. If anyone knows anything about fixing this issue for a Samsung Galaxy S5, let me know and (hopefully) I'll even see it.
Also, to answer Calamitas, until Jake's claim I was convinced he was scum. After the claim, I wasn't surprised at all to see him flip town.
Got it. Though it doesn't cancel the flailing EoD1 and not always helpful posts overall.
Therefore, I'm perfectly fine with lynching Calamitas.
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
Yes he did. Many times.
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Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?
Exactly.
Plus if we lynch on Friday D2, then the deadline for D3 will be on the Christmas weekend (24 or 25/12), which isn't ideal.
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Possibly a mistake, but posting while angry.
Honestly, if I get mislynched for inactivity at this point I won't even mad. There's no way I could blame you. It's been one thing after another for why I can't post and the next one is the best.
A little bit about my life. I work in one town and live in another. The only way for me to get back and forth takes about 1.5 hours if I'm lucky, usually 2. They don't pay me enough to commute twice each day, but thankfully a relative lives in the town I work. So I stay with her for the days I'm working. For one reason or another, my relative doesn't have internet service. While working, therefore, my only access to the forum (and Dominion, and email, and every other facet of my life) is my phone. Thankfully nothing uses up too much data so access hasn't been an issue. Until now.
My phone has this glitch where sometimes it doesn't recognize that I've given it the correct unlock code. The first time this happened, I put in the emergency backup PIN when prompted and it let me in and everything was fine. Since this seemed like an acceptable outcome, I never got it fixed. It's happened a couple times since then. Then, today, it did it again. Except this time, it didn't recognize the backup PIN either. I know I have the right PIN and entered it correctly. I'm down to 1 attempt remaining before the factory reset. There's too much that hasn't been backed up for me to acknowledge the reset as a viable option. So I can't access my phone and, therefore, everything. I'm currently in a library parking lot getting wifi on a Chromebook to post this. At most I'll be able to get about one post here a day and right now I'm focused on unlocking my phone rather than going through this game and doing reads.
So that's my latest reason for inactivity. If anyone knows anything about fixing this issue for a Samsung Galaxy S5, let me know and (hopefully) I'll even see it.
Also, to answer Calamitas, until Jake's claim I was convinced he was scum. After the claim, I wasn't surprised at all to see him flip town.
That's a perfectly valid reason for less posting.
I figured there was a reason, since you were a lot more active on D1.
And unfortunately I cannot help with your phone, sorry :(
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
I did not after the first thing (the flavor name stuff), because obviously nobody has a flavor name, so Jake claiming something different was weird but not scummy (because there is no scum motivation to do that). Then with Jake saying there was a Babysitter and a Rolecop, I thought he was either a Doctor (because these are the Doctor's neighbors and maybe he understood the setup badly and thought the neighbors of his role are in the game) or he scumslipped.
He self-hammered before claiming.
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
What about you Dylan?
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I've already said the exact post number that I thought was the scum slip. But up until that point I could still see town Jake doing the same thing with the flavor stuff.
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So there seems to be a bit of a trend going towards IDPTG.
Is there an actual case on them, or is it just because they've been lurky D2, which they've explained is because of IRL stuff?
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
Yes he did. Many times.
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
I just don't think those fit together.
Assume you are a town player, then someone scumslips legitimately. You acknowledge the scumslip(s), believe they are legitimate and then that person turns out to be town due to some awful play on their part.
There is no way you would believe that being off-wagon is actually towny in that scenario. You have experienced for yourself how legitimate the scumslip felt and how strong evidence there has been for them being scum. Why would you consider it towny to not believe a legitimate scumslip? Town has exactly the same information as you have, why do you expect town players to come to a vastly different conclusion than you did (believing the scumslip, being on wagon)?
The reaction doesn't fit to a town!Joseph who believed the scumslips were legitimate, not at all.
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Vote Count 2.4
Calamitas (3): LaLight, Dylan, Joseph
Joseph (1): Calamitas
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.
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So there seems to be a bit of a trend going towards IDPTG.
Is there an actual case on them, or is it just because they've been lurky D2, which they've explained is because of IRL stuff?
His Jake treatment was scummy.
Uh typing is hard.
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I really need to do that check on Faust I said I would do.
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I really need to do that check on Faust I said I would do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2IuJPh6h_A
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We have lots of time!
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Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?
Exactly.
Plus if we lynch on Friday D2, then the deadline for D3 will be on the Christmas weekend (24 or 25/12), which isn't ideal.
I here don't have such thing as Christmas, so if anything, I'll sort it out :)
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We have lots of time!
1,5 days left, not really lots.
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We have lots of time!
1,5 days left, not really lots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
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Right now for me:
LaLight - towny to me
Calamitas - slightly scummy, because LL is towny & LL made some good arguments that he was scummy
Dylan32 - slightly towny
Joseph2302 - IC
Roadrunner7671 - town (have I ever said this about RR before?)
IDontPlayThisGame - null read, although he definitely could be scum (and my list lacks scum candidates)
faust - I think he's town, and someone is deliberately leaving him alive so we'll think he's scum. As faust often gets NKed.
So order of lynch preferences would be:
Calamitas > IDPTG > Dylan = faust > LL > RR >> Joseph
PPE: 1
Based on this, I'd be okay to lynch Calamitas or ITPTG. Probably not anyone else.
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I really need to do that check on Faust I said I would do.
Do it.
Although I'm reasonably sure that faust is clean this game
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I don't really want to lynch Idplay but will prefer his lynch to no lynch. RR, Faust, Idplay, i there any chance you will vote Calamitas?
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I don't really want to lynch Idplay but will prefer his lynch to no lynch. RR, Faust, Idplay, i there any chance you will vote Calamitas?
Vote: Calamitas
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Nobody even going to respond to my case?
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Although I think LL could be a serial killer. Either that or a 1-shot bulletproof arsonist.
PPE: 1
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Although I think LL could be a serial killer. Either that or a 1-shot bulletproof arsonist.
PPE: 1
What?
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Although I think LL could be a serial killer. Either that or a 1-shot bulletproof arsonist.
PPE: 1
What?
Trying to confuse the newbies. And see what happens. Like we did D1.
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Because that went so well!
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Because that went so well!
I know, but apparently everyone who did it gets town points.
Also trying to see if we can get anything big and exciting happening, as this day has been slow and is dwindling towards a lynch.
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Mod: Will the deadline for D3 be altered so it doesn't fall on Christmas weekend?
i.e. if we lynch on Friday, then D3 starts on Saturday/Sunday, so deadline is 24th/25th December. I guess no-one will be around on those days.
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Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?
Exactly.
Plus if we lynch on Friday D2, then the deadline for D3 will be on the Christmas weekend (24 or 25/12), which isn't ideal.
I here don't have such thing as Christmas, so if anything, I'll sort it out :)
You don't have Christmas? Or you do it on the Julian calendar date (7th January?)?
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Mod: Will the deadline for D3 be altered so it doesn't fall on Christmas weekend?
i.e. if we lynch on Friday, then D3 starts on Saturday/Sunday, so deadline is 24th/25th December. I guess no-one will be around on those days.
I will have plenty of time then :D
Though again, why is no one responding?
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Mod: Will the deadline for D3 be altered so it doesn't fall on Christmas weekend?
i.e. if we lynch on Friday, then D3 starts on Saturday/Sunday, so deadline is 24th/25th December. I guess no-one will be around on those days.
I will have plenty of time then :D
Though again, why is no one responding?
To your question or in general?
I responded to your question.
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Mod: Will the deadline for D3 be altered so it doesn't fall on Christmas weekend?
i.e. if we lynch on Friday, then D3 starts on Saturday/Sunday, so deadline is 24th/25th December. I guess no-one will be around on those days.
I will have plenty of time then :D
Though again, why is no one responding?
To your question or in general?
I responded to your question.
My case in #848
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
Yes he did. Many times.
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
I just don't think those fit together.
Assume you are a town player, then someone scumslips legitimately. You acknowledge the scumslip(s), believe they are legitimate and then that person turns out to be town due to some awful play on their part.
There is no way you would believe that being off-wagon is actually towny in that scenario. You have experienced for yourself how legitimate the scumslip felt and how strong evidence there has been for them being scum. Why would you consider it towny to not believe a legitimate scumslip? Town has exactly the same information as you have, why do you expect town players to come to a vastly different conclusion than you did (believing the scumslip, being on wagon)?
The reaction doesn't fit to a town!Joseph who believed the scumslips were legitimate, not at all.
It works. 3 town and 1 scum off-wagon (including myself as town) off-wagon, and 3 town and 1 scum (plus gkrieg) on-wagon.
And it means that you an IDPTG, my top 2 scum reads, could both be scum.
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Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?
Exactly.
Plus if we lynch on Friday D2, then the deadline for D3 will be on the Christmas weekend (24 or 25/12), which isn't ideal.
I here don't have such thing as Christmas, so if anything, I'll sort it out :)
You don't have Christmas? Or you do it on the Julian calendar date (7th January?)?
Well, I have it 7th, but no one ever celebrates it. People try to live after the hangover of the NY.
So I will be around 24-25 :D
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Calamitas, don't you want to claim?
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Calamitas, don't you want to claim?
Not really
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I don't really want to lynch Idplay but will prefer his lynch to no lynch. RR, Faust, Idplay, i there any chance you will vote Calamitas?
Why don't you want to lynch Idplay?
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Calamitas, don't you want to claim?
Not really
Obviously SK move
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Calamitas, don't you want to claim?
Not really
Obviously SK move
It's a SK!slip
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I don't really want to lynch Idplay but will prefer his lynch to no lynch. RR, Faust, Idplay, i there any chance you will vote Calamitas?
Why don't you want to lynch Idplay?
Well, the explanation won't actually satisfy you.
I don't want him be sad if he's town and really have connection problems.
If he's scum he really didn't have a chance to defend himself, so I'd lynch Calamitas more preferably.
It's more like.. I don't know a piece of humanity in me :)
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I don't really want to lynch Idplay but will prefer his lynch to no lynch. RR, Faust, Idplay, i there any chance you will vote Calamitas?
Why don't you want to lynch Idplay?
Well, the explanation won't actually satisfy you.
I don't want him be sad if he's town and really have connection problems.
If he's scum he really didn't have a chance to defend himself, so I'd lynch Calamitas more preferably.
It's more like.. I don't know a piece of humanity in me :)
I would get really really sad as well if I get misslynched due to such reasoning
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I don't really want to lynch Idplay but will prefer his lynch to no lynch. RR, Faust, Idplay, i there any chance you will vote Calamitas?
Why don't you want to lynch Idplay?
Well, the explanation won't actually satisfy you.
I don't want him be sad if he's town and really have connection problems.
If he's scum he really didn't have a chance to defend himself, so I'd lynch Calamitas more preferably.
It's more like.. I don't know a piece of humanity in me :)
I kind of feel the same way, plus it's meant to be a newbie game, so I'd prefer to kill some vets first (it's unlikely that both scum are newbies).
On the other hand, I feel kind of towny towards lotsa other people. Which is why he's still so high on my lynch list.
PPE: 1
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Calamitas, don't you want to claim?
Not really
Then you're a PR.
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Calamitas, don't you want to claim?
Not really
Then you're a PR.
I cannot confirm nor deny anything
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You should claim
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You should claim
Is that actual intent to hammer?
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You should claim
Is that actual intent to hammer?
Well, today's Thursday. I'll hammer you at 3:12 PM forum time.
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You should claim
Is that actual intent to hammer?
Well, today's Thursday. I'll hammer you at 3:12 PM forum time.
Even though there has been literally no case on me?
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You should claim
Is that actual intent to hammer?
Well, today's Thursday. I'll hammer you at 3:12 PM forum time.
Even though there has been literally no case on me?
Either claim or provide an alternative.
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Mod: Will the deadline for D3 be altered so it doesn't fall on Christmas weekend?
i.e. if we lynch on Friday, then D3 starts on Saturday/Sunday, so deadline is 24th/25th December. I guess no-one will be around on those days.
My preference for now is to ignore the existence of the 25th as a day when calculating game day/night lengths, but not to add extra time besides that. Exact timings will depend to a certain extent on mod availability around the festive period.
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You should claim
Is that actual intent to hammer?
Well, today's Thursday. I'll hammer you at 3:12 PM forum time.
Even though there has been literally no case on me?
Either claim or provide an alternative.
What do you think about my Joseph case?
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
Yes he did. Many times.
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
I just don't think those fit together.
Assume you are a town player, then someone scumslips legitimately. You acknowledge the scumslip(s), believe they are legitimate and then that person turns out to be town due to some awful play on their part.
There is no way you would believe that being off-wagon is actually towny in that scenario. You have experienced for yourself how legitimate the scumslip felt and how strong evidence there has been for them being scum. Why would you consider it towny to not believe a legitimate scumslip? Town has exactly the same information as you have, why do you expect town players to come to a vastly different conclusion than you did (believing the scumslip, being on wagon)?
The reaction doesn't fit to a town!Joseph who believed the scumslips were legitimate, not at all.
It works. 3 town and 1 scum off-wagon (including myself as town) off-wagon, and 3 town and 1 scum (plus gkrieg) on-wagon.
And it means that you an IDPTG, my top 2 scum reads, could both be scum.
This just doesn't make sense.
According to you explantation the statement has been absolutely meaningless. You basically just said "There are 4 people of wagon, I know there are 2 scums, ergo 2 off-wagoners are town. Maybe even 3".
This is just not helpful since obviously everyone was aware of that fact. But it was verbalized in a way that moves attention away from the off-wagon people. And this is where the conflict between "I believed the scumslip" and the post lies. Town!Joseph who experienced a legitimately seeming scumslip had no motivation at all to drive attention away from off-wagoners. Nevertheless, Joseph did that by verbalizing his statement the way he did. And I don't think that has been unintentional since I don't buy that Joseph would make such a statement for absolutely no reason (stating the obvious without any motives).
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Joseph reread!
Starts out with lots of fluff. Votes for me for some reason that I'm not even sure is a scum read. Then some VLA. He then gives his thoughts:
Sorry for the VLA. Summary of my thoughts. So far today, the main things have been:
- faust suggested a possible claim, there was lots of debate for/against and consensus was against mass-claiming even for weak roles. Biggest contributors to the discussion were faust & Calamitas. Gkrieg supported faust's idea to claim (#167) LaLight was kind of quick to try and move the discussion on (#165), which seems a tad odd. After all, it seems to be the only in detail discussion here today.
- Jake's first contribution was RV (#188), followed by some "banter" with RR. Then some discussion after IDPTG voted for him. Followed by some more random nonsense "chat" between Jake & RR (#220), and a discussion on how Jake plays scum & town, which was summed up reasonably in #232 by gkrieg. faust thinks Jake is town. I would like to reserve judgement until I (skim) read other games he's been in. As is style seems very RVs
These are no meaningful thoughts at all. Like this does not even contain a single read.
Then a reads list, with Calamitas, Idplay and me as town reads and everyone else as null. I don't like the missing scumreads. He calls some people anti-town, but never implies that this is also scummy. If Joseph is scum, I think it's quite likely that one of the town reads is his partner. Which would point to Idplay/Joseph, since a Calamitas/Joseph team seems unlikely.
Also, 1 of the vets (me) gets mislynched quite a lot
I don't like this.
Because of the intermittent forum access over the past 8 or so hours, we're going to push the deadline back a day.
D1 will end at 2pm forum time on Thursday 8th December.
Thank goodness for that. Will hopefully give us more time to reach a sensible consensus, rather than the random scramble for lynches that often happens.
Does this read fake to anyone?
Right now, the people I would probably be okay lynching are {LL, Gkrieg, Jake, RR}. Not getting town reads from them, and everyone else (-Alec/Dylan, which we know almost 0 about) I think are towny for now.
That's quite interesting. Removing Dylan from the lynch pool here is a weird move.
He goes on a bit about the flavor thing not being a scumslip. Also reads LaLight as scum for this.
So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Someone, tell me that this is not the scumslip. Because in NM8 that was the way we caught PPS.
PPE: 2
Must be.
Babysitter in game does not tell us scum role 100%
PPE:lots
This stance is only taken after Jake's lynch. Before that, we don't get an opinion from Joseph.
So overall this looks pretty bad for Joseph.I don't really find indicators of townieness in there, but there is lots of stuff that makes sense for scum.
Will reread Idplay next.
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Now for Idplay.
There are some questions in the beginning, which makes sense but is also a typical way for newbie scum to get into the game.
It's possible that it's my newness speaking, but I'm leaning Faust as scum due to this claim discussion.
Well, let's see. What about it makes you think that I could be scum?
Sorry for the late response. I reread the set-up and changed my mind; I'm still not convinced claiming is correct, but I'm also not convinced it's a scum move. It would be pretty bad if we lost both of our PRs before D2 (we accidentally lynch one and scum NKs the other) but I don't see how avoiding that by guaranteeing they're both NKd by D3 is significantly better.
If theory talk is over, I'll end that there, but I'm starting to like the claim idea more.
This is mildly towny at least. You don't let go of a scum read that easily as scum.
Votes for Jake, which is fine. Then there's a reads list: Town on me and LaLight, null on everybody else. Hm. Quite a lot of text for that too. I'm not liking it.
I would also like to listen something from idptg.
With regards to this and my low post count, I'm still trying to find things to say. I don't think I really have a handle on how to go about playing mafia. I can post read updates, but I don't think that moves the game forward. Also, there was about a day where I was kinda VLA though I didn't announce it.
So. What would you like to hear? I'll be able to post something in a few hours when I'm off work.
This is again a bit on the townier side.
Interestingly, he does not want to join any of the major wagons (at that point: LaLight, gkrieg, Calamitas).
13.5 hours till deadline. I don't see how Jake can get away with that.
Ya I'm still confused by it honestly. I mean scum also don't have flavor names presumably? Like it would be a scum slip for anyone else, but for Jake I'm not sure yet. I'll sleep on it
There's also the part where he said he had a flavor name. I don't think town!jake would go through the effort to come up with nine names (granted, they're probably from the shows he watches).
That said, I don't feel good about another D1 Jake lynch. Not willing to vote just yet.
I've already gone over how this is really scummy.
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So it comes down to this: Joseph has been scummy consistently in my opinion. Idplay on the other hand has some townier moments and then only this one thing that seems pretty scummy. Ultimately, I might prefer lynching Joseph here.
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Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.
Yes he did. Many times.
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake
Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Twilight now. Space will do the flip later.
So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.
I just don't think those fit together.
Assume you are a town player, then someone scumslips legitimately. You acknowledge the scumslip(s), believe they are legitimate and then that person turns out to be town due to some awful play on their part.
There is no way you would believe that being off-wagon is actually towny in that scenario. You have experienced for yourself how legitimate the scumslip felt and how strong evidence there has been for them being scum. Why would you consider it towny to not believe a legitimate scumslip? Town has exactly the same information as you have, why do you expect town players to come to a vastly different conclusion than you did (believing the scumslip, being on wagon)?
The reaction doesn't fit to a town!Joseph who believed the scumslips were legitimate, not at all.
It works. 3 town and 1 scum off-wagon (including myself as town) off-wagon, and 3 town and 1 scum (plus gkrieg) on-wagon.
And it means that you an IDPTG, my top 2 scum reads, could both be scum.
This just doesn't make sense.
According to you explantation the statement has been absolutely meaningless. You basically just said "There are 4 people of wagon, I know there are 2 scums, ergo 2 off-wagoners are town. Maybe even 3".
This is just not helpful since obviously everyone was aware of that fact. But it was verbalized in a way that moves attention away from the off-wagon people. And this is where the conflict between "I believed the scumslip" and the post lies. Town!Joseph who experienced a legitimately seeming scumslip had no motivation at all to drive attention away from off-wagoners. Nevertheless, Joseph did that by verbalizing his statement the way he did. And I don't think that has been unintentional since I don't buy that Joseph would make such a statement for absolutely no reason (stating the obvious without any motives).
I was excluding myself from the 4 off-wagon, as I would have been on-wagon but had too many edit conflicts.
Of the other 3 people, I think 2-3 of them are town. Which means 0-1 scum off-wagon, and 1-2 scum on wagon.
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So we know that their is a Rolecop because of RR's Babysitter so it matches up, that's not good.
Someone, tell me that this is not the scumslip. Because in NM8 that was the way we caught PPS.
PPE: 2
Must be.
Babysitter in game does not tell us scum role 100%
PPE:lots
This stance is only taken after Jake's lynch. Before that, we don't get an opinion from Joseph.
So overall this looks pretty bad for Joseph.I don't really find indicators of townieness in there, but there is lots of stuff that makes sense for scum.
Will reread Idplay next.
I wrote this BEFORE the lynch, but with all the PPEs, it ended up being posted after the lynch.
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Well, Vote: Joseph
I can see that Idplay isn't really picking off anyway.
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Well, Vote: Joseph
I can see that Idplay isn't really picking off anyway.
I don't contribute and people want to lynch me.
Now I make the effort to invest time and contribute, and people still want to lynch me.
WHY?
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?
Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?
Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.
Not really. It is based on him considering off-wagoners towny.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?
Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.
Not really. It is based on him considering off-wagoners towny.
It was a crap wagon. Jake behaved so scummily that it'd be easy for scum to vote for him and not look suspicious. scum knew he was town and knew he was talking nonsense and knew that he'd get lynched for it, so there's no reason not to just give the wagon a little extra impetus.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?
Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.
Not really. It is based on him considering off-wagoners towny.
It was a crap wagon. Jake behaved so scummily that it'd be easy for scum to vote for him and not look suspicious. scum knew he was town and knew he was talking nonsense and knew that he'd get lynched for it, so there's no reason not to just give the wagon a little extra impetus.
Town just saw someone scumslipping. There was no reason at all to not vote him without any extra info.
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But in response to the above:
Scum also saw someone scumslipping, and so could see a great opportunity to vote for him. For scum, he was such an easy mislynch.
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But in response to the above:
Scum also saw someone scumslipping, and so could see a great opportunity to vote for him. For scum, he was such an easy mislynch.
Sure, but scum might have other motives (seem towny the day after). Town hasn't. They just saw someone scumslipping and their information isn't good enough to justify any other lynch.
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Calamitas, I understand your point about scum being off wagon, but I just don't think newb!scum would be thinking that far in advance and would want to just vote for the scum slip. I could see maybe more of a vet doing that, but for a newbie scum, I think their thinking would be more inline with Joseph's reasoning.
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Although, having said that, I guess the two of the vets still alive weren't on the wagon, so Joseph and faust's just slid a little bit in my book. Also, was anyone on the wagon besides Jake himself technically a newb?
LaLight, what about Joseph always looks scummy and what has he done to look towny to you?
unvote because I'm actually not sure if I'd rather lynch Joseph or Calamitas now.
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Calamitas, I understand your point about scum being off wagon, but I just don't think newb!scum would be thinking that far in advance and would want to just vote for the scum slip. I could see maybe more of a vet doing that, but for a newbie scum, I think their thinking would be more inline with Joseph's reasoning.
And why should newb!town stay off-wagon?
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Well, the only two newbs that were off wagon were IDPTG and myself, and I already told you why I wasn't on it. If I remember correctly IDPTG also logged in before the deadline and but after the hammer, so I assume their reasoning would be pretty much the same. Of course I'm still not sure IDPTG is town, so it is technically possible for you to be right if IDPTG is actually scum.
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Rats, it's passed 3:12!
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Rats, it's passed 3:12!
And now there is a viable alternative.
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Yeah, I would have let you hammer if the case on Joseph hadn't become so interesting. I think I would rather vote: Joseph than Calamitas for today.
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Vote Count.LL
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph (3): Calamitas, faust, Dylan
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner
Damn, guys. Calamitas being scum always dodges L-1's in some way. I won't hammer Joseph, that is a mistake.
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That's L-1 on Joseph! Forgot to check that. Thanks for the vote count LL
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LL, why do you think that is a mistake? What about Joseph this game makes you think he is town?
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?
Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
That doesn't tell me why you think he is towny. It just says that you do find him towny.
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Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.
That doesn't tell me why you think he is towny. It just says that you do find him towny.
Second one.
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That still doesn't help. I'm asking for examples from the game of things Joseph has said or done that makes you town read him.
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And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.
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And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.
I think he may be wrong here, but still I see him sincerely assuming this possibility.
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And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.
I think he may be wrong here, but still I see him sincerely assuming this possibility.
But do you really think someone believing the scumslip would act like that?
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And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.
I think he may be wrong here, but still I see him sincerely assuming this possibility.
But do you really think someone believing the scumslip would act like that?
I think Joseph thinks so.
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And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.
I think he may be wrong here, but still I see him sincerely assuming this possibility.
But do you really think someone believing the scumslip would act like that?
I think Joseph thinks so.
Joseph believed the scumslip himself (at least he said so). I'm referring to his actions (declaring being off-wagon as towny). And I don't think someone genuinely believing the scumslip would come to that conclusion, ever.
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I don't know if I ever wrote it out fully, so here's why I stayed off the Jake wagon:
Jake seems like the easiest mislynch ever. I've played two games, both with him, and in both games he's been lynched D1. His "scumslips" have been false; he just screwed something up as town. I didn't know that this game; I was ready to hammer if needed. However, his mislynch D1 in M89 gave me pause. I wanted to give him a chance to prove himself, to show that it wasn't a scumslip but a mistake. Obviously, this didn't happen.
So. If I was ready to hammer, why didn't I do so before going to bed? My understanding is that lynches tend to happen at the deadline. There were still at least 10 hours to go before that. As I said, I knew I'd be around for the deadline, so I could still make my vote count.
Why haven't I voted this game? The number of votes needed for a lynch scares me. With two scum running around, if two town members are on the wrong wagon, scum jumps in and gets the mislynch. I'm not saying scum need to be the last two, just that it seems like an error is likely. As stated before, I'm used to lynches happening at the deadline. A mid-day lynch is foreign territory.
The conclusion is this: I was scared. I am scared. I haven't felt strongly enough about a scum read to overcome those fears. Jake and RR would be the two that could push me to vote sooner, but both have other reasons for me hedging; Jake's is above and RR's is my mistrust of the scum read. It seems odd to think someone is town because they seem scummy, but that's where I am.
My phone is back, so that VLA is over.
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Vote Count.LL
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph (3): Calamitas, faust, Dylan
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner
Damn, guys. Calamitas being scum always dodges L-1's in some way. I won't hammer Joseph, that is a mistake.
For fucks sake guys.
This wagon is bad, and 1 or 2 people on it are bad
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And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.
I think he may be wrong here, but still I see him sincerely assuming this possibility.
But do you really think someone believing the scumslip would act like that?
I think Joseph thinks so.
Joseph believed the scumslip himself (at least he said so). I'm referring to his actions (declaring being off-wagon as towny). And I don't think someone genuinely believing the scumslip would come to that conclusion, ever.
And for like the millionth time, I do.
Clearly Calamitas and I aren't on the same team, so make your decision on who you think is right.
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I'll try to post more tomorrow but whatever, seems like you've made your minds up.
I'm town and Calamitas isn't.
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Maybe next time I should just not post as much, since apparently being one of the biggest contributors to this game is scummy
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And for like the millionth time, I do.
Clearly Calamitas and I aren't on the same team, so make your decision on who you think is right.
This doesn't make any sense, we might well be both town. I don't think so but it is a possibility nevertheless.
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Maybe next time I should just not post as much, since apparently being one of the biggest contributors to this game is scummy
I think it's a flaw with the system here. The more you post, the more there is to read and some people aren't posting much (me being the biggest culprit).
As for this wagon, I'm against a Joseph lynch for now. He doesn't seem scummy enough, although this response could be from a frustrated scum!Joseph.
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Maybe next time I should just not post as much, since apparently being one of the biggest contributors to this game is scummy
I think it's a flaw with the system here. The more you post, the more there is to read and some people aren't posting much (me being the biggest culprit).
As for this wagon, I'm against a Joseph lynch for now. He doesn't seem scummy enough, although this response could be from a frustrated scum!Joseph.
No, there are some people who are quite active and don't look scummy. In fact, being more active is generally seen as towny. I'm pretty sure the only reason you aren't at risk of getting lynched is because people seem to be giving you a pass for your limited internet access and phone situation. if you remember, a major wagon seemed like it was about to form up until you explained your limited posting. I don't think posting too much is the issue here.
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Maybe next time I should just not post as much, since apparently being one of the biggest contributors to this game is scummy
I think it's a flaw with the system here. The more you post, the more there is to read and some people aren't posting much (me being the biggest culprit).
As for this wagon, I'm against a Joseph lynch for now. He doesn't seem scummy enough, although this response could be from a frustrated scum!Joseph.
No, there are some people who are quite active and don't look scummy. In fact, being more active is generally seen as towny. I'm pretty sure the only reason you aren't at risk of getting lynched is because people seem to be giving you a pass for your limited internet access and phone situation. if you remember, a major wagon seemed like it was about to form up until you explained your limited posting. I don't think posting too much is the issue here.
And I do appreciate the pass, but I also feel a bit bad about it. Unless the lurkiness is the main argument for me being scum. I should be around for the deadline tomorrow.
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I think the lurkiness was the main reason for scum reading you, since there just isn't much to read. Did you get your phone fixed?
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so, last day is ahead.
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Ok, so my lynch pool for today is either Calamitas or Joseph. I think there's a pretty good chance one of them is scum, but at this point I'm not sure which one actually is. I would consider IDPTG, but I do believe their reason for being inactive so I really don't want to see us mislynch due to inactivity when there are better options anyway.
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Ok, so my lynch pool for today is either Calamitas or Joseph. I think there's a pretty good chance one of them is scum, but at this point I'm not sure which one actually is. I would consider IDPTG, but I do believe their reason for being inactive so I really don't want to see us mislynch due to inactivity when there are better options anyway.
everyone's lynch pool seems to be Calamitas and Joseph.
I'm certain Calamitas is scum though, he's been pushing so hard all day for my mislynch.
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10,5 hours to decide. I will prefer Joseph's lynch to no-lynch, but the hardness through which Calamitas lynch is going is an indication of scumness. I can't remember why faust is against it?
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10,5 hours to decide. I will prefer Joseph's lynch to no-lynch, but the hardness through which Calamitas lynch is going is an indication of scumness. I can't remember why faust is against it?
Because I think he was fairly towny so far. Townier than you anyway.
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I won't be here for the deadline. I have a thing starting at 1 pm forum time.
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Deadline = 3pm Forum = 8pm UK time
I should be around, although not sure what I can contribute given that I'm town, Calamitas is scum, but not enough people can see the light.
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10,5 hours to decide. I will prefer Joseph's lynch to no-lynch, but the hardness through which Calamitas lynch is going is an indication of scumness. I can't remember why faust is against it?
Because I think he was fairly towny so far. Townier than you anyway.
In what way I am not townie?
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
You lie :3
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
You lie :3
You wanna test me?
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
You lie :3
You wanna test me?
No! And I'm not voting you :)
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Vote Count 2.5
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph (3): Calamitas, faust, Dylan
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 3pm forum time, i.e. just over 8 hours' time.
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10,5 hours to decide. I will prefer Joseph's lynch to no-lynch, but the hardness through which Calamitas lynch is going is an indication of scumness. I can't remember why faust is against it?
Because I think he was fairly towny so far. Townier than you anyway.
In what way I am not townie?
I think most of it is a lingering read from D1, plus you pushing the Jake slip was scummy. Would need to check in more detail, but right now you're not a lynch candidate, so I didn't bother to reread.
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
Is this allowed?
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
Is this allowed?
Probably. ashersky used to do this kind of thing a lot back in the day.
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
Is this allowed?
Probably. ashersky used to do this kind of thing a lot back in the day.
How'd that work out for him?
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
Is this allowed?
Probably. ashersky used to do this kind of thing a lot back in the day.
How'd that work out for him?
Usually got him lynched.
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
Is this allowed?
Probably. ashersky used to do this kind of thing a lot back in the day.
How'd that work out for him?
Usually got him lynched.
Lynch me then.
It's obvious you want to.
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Vote: Everyone else
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I don't feel that great about Joseph anymore honestly.
Can we just Vote: Idplay?
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I don't feel that great about Joseph anymore honestly.
Can we just Vote: Idplay?
No?
You think no one of Joseph/Calamitas is scum? Really?
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If you lynch me, then I'll never play mafia again.
Let's see if I can blackmail people into some sense
This just doesn't seem town to me
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Did you get your phone fixed?
I wouldn't call it fixed, but it is operational.
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Oh well, you have a possibility to defend yourself.
Vote: Idplay.
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
Are you talking to me? I always thought IDPTG is scummy.
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
Are you talking to me? I always thought IDPTG is scummy.
Faust primarily
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
Are you talking to me? I always thought IDPTG is scummy.
For what? My stance on Jake? The OMGUS on you and faust?
PPE: 1
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
Are you talking to me? I always thought IDPTG is scummy.
For what? My stance on Jake? The OMGUS on you and faust?
PPE: 1
Ugh really you want to do IDPTG now?
I much prefer Calamitas lynch. I mean IDPTG could be bad, but Calamitas' obsession on me seems scummy
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And unless someone moves their vote from me to IDPTG, you don't have enough people to get a lynch anyway (assuming IDPTG doesn't self-vote)
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And unless someone moves their vote from me to IDPTG, you don't have enough people to get a lynch anyway (assuming IDPTG doesn't self-vote)
We dont have people to lynch Calamitas either, i'm just tired of this yet. Let's do idptg.
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And unless someone moves their vote from me to IDPTG, you don't have enough people to get a lynch anyway (assuming IDPTG doesn't self-vote)
Ignore this, as faust has moved from me to IDPTG.
PPE: 1
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
Are you talking to me? I always thought IDPTG is scummy.
For what? My stance on Jake? The OMGUS on you and faust?
PPE: 1
Ugh really you want to do IDPTG now?
I much prefer Calamitas lynch. I mean IDPTG could be bad, but Calamitas' obsession on me seems scummy
A few posts again you said to be certain about me being scum. What changed since then?
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Joseph has been so much scummier than idptg, why suddenly change?
Are you talking to me? I always thought IDPTG is scummy.
For what? My stance on Jake? The OMGUS on you and faust?
PPE: 1
Ugh really you want to do IDPTG now?
I much prefer Calamitas lynch. I mean IDPTG could be bad, but Calamitas' obsession on me seems scummy
A few posts again you said to be certain about me being scum. What changed since then?
Nothing. I still think you're scum, and still want to lynch you.
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So there are currently two votes each on Calamitas, Joseph, and IDPTG right? and RR is the only person not voting?
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Also, I'm not sure that scum would threaten to never play again if they are lynched. Maybe, but this seems like real frustrated!town. Vote: Calamitas This is L-1 I think.
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Also, I'm not sure that scum would threaten to never play again if they are lynched. Maybe, but this seems like real frustrated!town. Vote: Calamitas This is L-1 I think.
Finally!!! intent to hammer
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I don't feel that great about Joseph anymore honestly.
Can we just Vote: Idplay?
No?
You think no one of Joseph/Calamitas is scum? Really?
I don't see any special reason why they cannot both be town at least. It is somewhat unlikely that they are both town because of the scum ratio in this game, but that's true about any pair of players.
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Sorry, L-2 on Calamitas. Didn't realize LL had just got off Calamitas to drop the number. So right now I think it is Joseph and I on Calamitas with LL intent to join.
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It would be nice to see RR and Idplay actually use their vote before this day is over.
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I'm also not sure if Joseph's vote everyone moves his vote to a no vote or not. Request vote count please :)
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oh.
Idplay never voted...
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Vote Count 2.5
Calamitas (2): Joseph, Dylan
Joseph (1): Calamitas
IDontPlayThisGame (2): faust, LaLight
Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 3pm forum time, i.e. in 3 hours' time.
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Gotta go now, will get access again in about 2 hours.
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Idptg and rr, really?..
Do you want a no-lynch?
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It would be nice to see RR and Idplay actually use their vote before this day is over.
vote: Faust
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It would be nice to see RR and Idplay actually use their vote before this day is over.
vote: Faust
Why?
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*sigh*
Well I can check in here for like 20 more minutes in case RR has anything substantial to say.
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Lol I'll be semi around. I'll think about who to vote for
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It would be nice to see RR and Idplay actually use their vote before this day is over.
vote: Faust
Funny... I'm 90% sure a faust lynch isn't going to happen today, so this is pretty much a useless vote. *cue third party voting debate*
PPE 2.
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It was mostly a joke. I forgot to do my Faust read
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Idptg and rr, really?..
Do you want a no-lynch?
No. I don't see how that would help us. Joseph's threat never to play again moves him closer to scum in my book. I don't see why town would do that. For me, today seems more like Joseph or LL.
It would be nice to see RR and Idplay actually use their vote before this day is over.
vote: Faust
Funny... I'm 90% sure a faust lynch isn't going to happen today, so this is pretty much a useless vote. *cue third party voting debate*
PPE 2.
Totally agree
PPE: 6
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vote: Joseph
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Idptg and rr, really?..
Do you want a no-lynch?
No. I don't see how that would help us. Joseph's threat never to play again moves him closer to scum in my book. I don't see why town would do that. For me, today seems more like Joseph or LL.
It would be nice to see RR and Idplay actually use their vote before this day is over.
vote: Faust
Funny... I'm 90% sure a faust lynch isn't going to happen today, so this is pretty much a useless vote. *cue third party voting debate*
PPE 2.
Totally agree
PPE: 6
Why don't you vote for either?
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vote: Joseph
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vote: Joseph
Okay didn't got ppes for some reason. I'm still sure this is a mistake.Vote: Calamitas. 3:3, huh?
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Sry, 3:2, faust is on idptg
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Why don't they both, idk, claim? Or is it a bad idea?
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Why don't they both, idk, claim? Or is it a bad idea?
I'm pretty sure that's bad.
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At this point I think I would vote Calamitas over Joseph. But you know, that would be the hammer. So I guess I'll stay on Idplay unless someone convinces me in like 2 minutes.
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I just cannot understand why you think the Joseph case isn't anything.
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Vote Count 2.6
Calamitas (3): Joseph, Dylan, LaLight
Joseph (2): Calamitas, IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
faust (1): Roadrunner
Not Voting (2):
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 3pm forum time, i.e. in around 82 minutes' time.
In the event of no mods being online at the deadline (which is looking possible), 3pm forum time will be taken as a strict cut-off for the posted votes.
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Vote Count 2.6
Calamitas (3): Joseph, Dylan, LaLight
Joseph (2): Calamitas, IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
faust (1): Roadrunner
Not Voting (2):
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 3pm forum time, i.e. in around 82 minutes' time.
In the event of no mods being online at the deadline (which is looking possible), 3pm forum time will be taken as a strict cut-off for the posted votes.
So faust, RR or IDPTG, please hammer
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*sigh*
Well I can check in here for like 20 more minutes in case RR has anything substantial to say.
faust is not here?..
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Well
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I'll be back at 2:57
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This is a terrible idea. Still haven't seen any case on me by the way.
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I'll be back at 2:57
RR, you're doing bad D2. We all are sure you're conf!town so you really need to do something! And what did you? I haven't seen any contribution at all. Why so?
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I'll be back at 2:57
Seriously?
3pm is a strict deadline by the way.
And it's either lynch Calamitas or get a no lynch
PPE: 1
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I'll be back at 2:57
Seriously?
3pm is a strict deadline by the way.
And it's either lynch Calamitas or get a no lynch
PPE: 1
Well, we could switch to RR. I don't think it's a good idea, though his saying he'll come back just before 3 doesn't help him imo.
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I'll be back at 2:57
Seriously?
3pm is a strict deadline by the way.
And it's either lynch Calamitas or get a no lynch
PPE: 1
Well, we could switch to RR. I don't think it's a good idea, though his saying he'll come back just before 3 doesn't help him imo.
We still can get joseph lynched I think. LaLight is online and prefers Joseph over nolynch and dylan might get online as well.
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I'll be back at 2:57
Seriously?
3pm is a strict deadline by the way.
And it's either lynch Calamitas or get a no lynch
PPE: 1
Well, we could switch to RR. I don't think it's a good idea, though his saying he'll come back just before 3 doesn't help him imo.
Don't try to distract attention from your scumbuddy :P
PPE: 1
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I'll be back at 2:57
Seriously?
3pm is a strict deadline by the way.
And it's either lynch Calamitas or get a no lynch
PPE: 1
Well, we could switch to RR. I don't think it's a good idea, though his saying he'll come back just before 3 doesn't help him imo.
Don't try to distract attention from your scumbuddy :P
PPE: 1
What RR is doing is idiotic, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum.
Because is he's doing this because RR & Calamitas are scum buddies, then this is going to become blindingly obvious.
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I'd rather avoid a no-lynch, so unless you can convince me otherwise (or people to switch)...
@Calamitas intent to hammer
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13 minutes til deadline RR.....
At least IDPTG is thinking sensibly. Town points.
PPE: 1
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IDPTG do it, please. We can't afford no-lynch.
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10 minutes!
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I'm here. I see not much has changed really...
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Looks like you all are scums.
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faust, RR, IDPTG
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I'm here. I see not much has changed really...
We might need to switch 3 minutes before DL. be ready please.
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Waiting for Calamitas to say something
PPE: 1
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There are only 2 scum, so I'm not sure how all three are, but they do get scum points.
PPE 2
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Waiting for Calamitas to say something
PPE: 1
What possibly game-changing can he say in 7 minutes?
PPE: 1
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Well, I'm a VT. Refused the claim to potentially draw the NK so we would face a really great situation after potentially lynching scum (2/3 chance of winning with random lynching). I still think Joseph is scum and you should look very close into him after I get lynched (I get that it is pretty inevitable by now). Especially the comment below I found really disturbing, felt like scum!Joseph trying to prepare me for the next day's lynch.
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And for like the millionth time, I do.
Clearly Calamitas and I aren't on the same team, so make your decision on who you think is right.
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Vote: Calamitas
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In regard to claiming you should let the strong PR claim first tomorrow, then wait for no counterclaim to come to let the weaker PR claim afterwards. That way it is ensured that either the strong PR becomes a temporarily IC or the weak PR remains hidden. Obviously the weak shouldn't claim after a potential counterclaim.
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Was town, all from before are genuine thoughts and should be kept in mind tomorrow
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Vote: Calamitas
Oh gosh thanks after all.
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Was town, all from before are genuine thoughts and should be kept in mind tomorrow
That can't be. No. No way.
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
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Was town, all from before are genuine thoughts and should be kept in mind tomorrow
That can't be. No. No way.
Sure, as I said, there has been no case on me at any given point.
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
Fuck apologizing, just keep them in mind and follow through
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
The vote's through, I don't think he'd be lying to us now
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Oops
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Told ya
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I do agree about the claim strategy though. That makes me not want to see this flip... PPE 3
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Told ya
What have you told? At all?
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Told ya
What have you told? At all?
Yeah, you didn't really say much. You said you'd prefer Joseph, but you didn't really make a real case one way or another dude...
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
The vote's through, I don't think he'd be lying to us now
Hell no. People like to do this. He may as well lie. Actually every time i see anybody flipping scum after lynch they never were like "oh yeah, you caught me"
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
The vote's through, I don't think he'd be lying to us now
Hell no. People like to do this. He may as well lie. Actually every time i see anybody flipping scum after lynch they never were like "oh yeah, you caught me"
Bet 5$?
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
The vote's through, I don't think he'd be lying to us now
Hell no. People like to do this. He may as well lie. Actually every time i see anybody flipping scum after lynch they never were like "oh yeah, you caught me"
Oh. I would've thought they would.
PPE: 1
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
The vote's through, I don't think he'd be lying to us now
Hell no. People like to do this. He may as well lie. Actually every time i see anybody flipping scum after lynch they never were like "oh yeah, you caught me"
Bet 5$?
Man, this is crisis in my country. 5$ is my salary :]
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If you do flip town, I apologize and will give your thoughts another read.
The vote's through, I don't think he'd be lying to us now
Hell no. People like to do this. He may as well lie. Actually every time i see anybody flipping scum after lynch they never were like "oh yeah, you caught me"
Oh. I would've thought they would.
PPE: 1
No, any confusion a scum can cause before the flip is good for the scum team. Some town might react in a way that other people will read scummy and then mislynch later because of the suspicious that started during twilight. So there's no reason not to keep up the lie if you're scum.
PPE 1
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My re-read of Dylan and Idon didn't deliver anything worthy, both seem quite genuine most of the times. Though little confidence on that statement.
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Told ya
What do you mean by that statement?
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Told ya
What do you mean by that statement?
I thought you were town
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Told ya
What do you mean by that statement?
I thought you were town
Why the heck did you vote me then...We could have pushed the Joseph lynch that very moment.
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Told ya
What do you mean by that statement?
I thought you were town
Why the heck did you vote me then...We could have pushed the Joseph lynch that very moment.
It was 2:53 and I don't trust my reads
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Told ya
What do you mean by that statement?
I thought you were town
Why the heck did you vote me then...We could have pushed the Joseph lynch that very moment.
It was 2:53 and I don't trust my reads
If you don't value your reads in any way then you cannot call them reads. But either way, keep the thoughts I provided in mind. Especially the claiming part (Strongest PR first, wait for eventual counterclaims, if none are brought forward: second PR claims).
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If Calamitas really is a VT and the scum NK goes through, would that be LyLo?
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If Calamitas really is a VT and the scum NK goes through, would that be LyLo?
Yep, that's why I'm proposing claiming. If it is not LyLo tomorrow no PR should claim probably unless they are having a pretty decent result they want to share.
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Well f*ck. Apparently Calamitas and I are on the same team.....
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Wait, how will we know what the stronger PR is if we don't know which two there are?
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Wait, how will we know what the stronger PR is if we don't know which two there are?
Each PR has an idea of what the other PR is. I haven't looked over the setup again, but I imagine it won't be too hard for them to figure out
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Thread Locked! A lynch has occurred. Everything else that you need to know can wait til I get home.
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I cannot physically lock the thread, but it is nonetheless locked. Nobody post please.
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Vote Count 2.final
Calamitas (4): Joseph, Dylan, LaLight, Roadrunner
Joseph (2): Calamitas, IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
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A sheaf of Space's mortgage statements fell victim to further table-top clearing, as the Set game got underway...
Calamitas has been lynched. He was Mortgage and Home Maintenance, the Vanilla Townie.
Night 2 begins now and ends between 24 hours and 36 hours from now. Night actions are due in 23 hours.
Thread Locked!
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A little later, Space was two games of Set up, and about to take the third game. Haddock decided the afternoon was decompressing well, so obviously, the next thing to do was to have some real fun.
"Right... There's just no way this is going to go well for me. How about some Dominion?" It wasn't so much a question as a declaration of intent, so as soon as Space grabbed the final Set game point, he fetched the Dominion cards down from the bookcase. Of course, in expanding the tabletop space enough to lay Dominion out properly, he had to tidy away a few more of Space's lists, and he decided stacking them safely in a corner where Space wouldn't need to dwell on them might actually be for the best...
LaLight has been killed in the night. He was Social and Societal Obligations, the Doctor.
Thread unlocked!
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Heck
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Vote Count 3.0
Not Voting (5): Dylan, Joseph, Roadrunner, IDPTG, faust
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends at 6pm forum time on Saturday 24th December.
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If anyone no longer believes I'm town, please say so. That being said, Vote: Joseph
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Did everyone except me get killed? I thought only LaLight died :-\
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If anyone no longer believes I'm town, please say so. That being said, Vote: Joseph
I think you should unvote. I'd rather not get into why just yet. I think the PR should claim though. Unless I'm mistaken, this is LyLo. We need some kind of info. Also, I'm pretty sure we're dealing with a Rolecop
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Yeah, I agree with the Joseph vote, but really you probably shouldn't vote for anyone until we are sure we know who we want to lynch since takes so few people.
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Sure unvote
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Should they claim? The PR is either a babysitter, who's benefit comes from either protecting someone at night or targeting scum and taking them down if they target the babysitter for the NK. Both rely on not being known. But since they aren't an investigative role, would they really have more info that would help? If they aren't at risk of getting lynched, it might be better for them to not claim. I'm not sure about that, but that's something to consider.
PPE 1
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Got distracted mid post and realized I didn't quite finish the thought. The alternative is weak visitor, but they probably should have claimed yesterday, so I think that is less likely. Plus it is a 2/3 chance it's a babysitter whereas it is a 1/3 chance it's a weak visitor.
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That's bad. I had hoped that our PRs could at least have some impact tonight, but it seems unlikely now.
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We're at LyLo, so I think we definitely need a claim. If we mislynch now, no PR in this game can save us. We need all the information we can get laid out.
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Looking at the final vote count, Idplay looks bad for being off-wagon - just because I think scum might shy away from having two people on-wagon, and Idplay is the only non-me non-dead off-wagoner.
But I really do need to reread everyone.
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I think RR's initial vote was ill-advised, but towny. But I thought RR was towny anyway already.
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The deadline is just terrible by the way. I would be glad if we can wrap this up at least 36 hours early.
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So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
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So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
Ditto, I'm VT
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Also VT
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So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
Ditto, I'm VT
Also VT
Well. Someone's lying.
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So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
Ditto, I'm VT
Also VT
Well. Someone's lying.
Obviously someone is.
But from my perspective, that tells me faust or IDPTG are scum
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So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
Ditto, I'm VT
Also VT
Well. Someone's lying.
Obviously someone is.
But from my perspective, that tells me faust or IDPTG are scum
And from mine it's you or faust or you and faust. I don't think we should stop claiming. It's just RR and Dylan left.
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Well. Someone's lying.
What a shocker!
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So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
So let's get the claiming started, because I don't want to start my rereads without all the information. I'm a VT.
Ditto, I'm VT
Also VT
Well. Someone's lying.
Obviously someone is.
But from my perspective, that tells me faust or IDPTG are scum
And from mine it's you or faust or you and faust. I don't think we should stop claiming. It's just RR and Dylan left.
Agreed. Continue claiming.
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Although I have my suspicions on someone now.
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I think you both have the same flavor name and it is Captain Obvious.
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I think you both have the same flavor name and it is Captain Obvious.
Which 2? Me and idptg?
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I think you both have the same flavor name and it is Captain Obvious.
Which 2? Me and idptg?
Yes.
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I think you both have the same flavor name and it is Captain Obvious.
Which 2? Me and idptg?
Yes.
Well you're wrong.
I think faust is lying by the way.
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My sarcasm is lost on you.
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Prod: Dylan, RR
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Come on guys.
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I want to claim last if that's okay
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I want to claim last if that's okay
Why does it matter? Either Dylan is scum, then he knows your role already, or he isn't, then you also know each other's roles. Everyone else claimed already.
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Oh yeah, scum knows roles. I'm the Babysitter
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Want to tel us about your targets?
Or maybe we can wait and see if Dylan counterclaims actually. If not, it might be better to leave your targets unclaimed.
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Hey sorry guys. The last couple days kind of got out of hand so I didn't have time to really get on.
Well, I guess RR is an IC then, because I'm a VT. So in that case, I'm not sure if RR needs to claim targets or not.
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Okay so the claims were RR claimed Babysitter and everyone else claimed VT. So RR is IC now, and I think faust is bad
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Also, RR, how did Jake now on D1 that you were Babysitter? It was in no way obvious that you were.
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Also, RR, how did Jake now on D1 that you were Babysitter? It was in no way obvious that you were.
Lucky guess
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
What?
No one is going to put babysitter in for this post with out knowing the role well so therefore RR is clearly a Babysitter. He can confirm that with a claim
I think this is an example of someone using terrible reasoning to come up with the right answer. Happens occassionally I guess.
Anyway, considering EoD2 and what Calamitas was saying, I'm leaning towards Joseph lying. But there are 2 people that are lying, not just one, so maybe Joseph and faust both are and Joseph is trying to bus.
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Okay so the claims were RR claimed Babysitter and everyone else claimed VT. So RR is IC now, and I think faust is bad
Do you also have reasons, or have we, as a society, already moved past this?
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
What?
No one is going to put babysitter in for this post with out knowing the role well so therefore RR is clearly a Babysitter. He can confirm that with a claim
I think this is an example of someone using terrible reasoning to come up with the right answer. Happens occassionally I guess.
Anyway, considering EoD2 and what Calamitas was saying, I'm leaning towards Joseph lying. But there are 2 people that are lying, not just one, so maybe Joseph and faust both are and Joseph is trying to bus.
Yeah it is!
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Also, RR, how did Jake now on D1 that you were Babysitter? It was in no way obvious that you were.
Lucky guess
Seems kind of very lucky.
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After looking at the setup, I can only imagine that would be the case if he was a Babysitter (based on the flavor). However, this post makes it pretty clear he knows the difference:
Do you understand, that flavor name and role are two different things?
Yes I have stated that just now the role is what you are for example cop or doctor or Vt or tracker or Watcher or Jailkeeper
A flavor name is the name associated with the role based off the topic for example Vineyard in best Dominion card mafia
Ok so theirs one PR so RR is eliminated from the lynch pool
What?
No one is going to put babysitter in for this post with out knowing the role well so therefore RR is clearly a Babysitter. He can confirm that with a claim
I think this is an example of someone using terrible reasoning to come up with the right answer. Happens occassionally I guess.
Anyway, considering EoD2 and what Calamitas was saying, I'm leaning towards Joseph lying. But there are 2 people that are lying, not just one, so maybe Joseph and faust both are and Joseph is trying to bus.
I know it looks bad for me, because Calamitas' top scum read was me.
The fact that no scum have been seen as suspicious yet this game leads me to believe there are experienced scum players playing well e.g. faust.
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The fact that no scum have been seen as suspicious yet this game leads me to believe there are experienced scum players playing well e.g. faust.
That's just not enough. Do some work.
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The fact that no scum have been seen as suspicious yet this game leads me to believe there are experienced scum players playing well e.g. faust.
That's just not enough. Do some work.
So the onus is on me to do more, rather than everyone else who's done nothing today?
Makes sense.
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Also, RR, how did Jake now on D1 that you were Babysitter? It was in no way obvious that you were.
Lucky guess
Seems kind of very lucky.
You're not accusing me of colluding with Jake, are you? I'd hate to make that assumption incorrectly.
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Might as well claim my targets.
N1 I targeted Faust, and N2 I targeted Joseph.
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Might as well claim my targets.
N1 I targeted Faust, and N2 I targeted Joseph.
You targetted me N2? Doesn't seem like anyone would have NKed me ever.
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Also, RR, how did Jake now on D1 that you were Babysitter? It was in no way obvious that you were.
Lucky guess
Seems kind of very lucky.
You're not accusing me of colluding with Jake, are you? I'd hate to make that assumption incorrectly.
I'm suggesting it, it seems kind of odd that he seemed to know stuff there was 0% chance of him knowing for sure as VT.
But whatever, if you say you weren't communicating about it offline, then I'm happy to accept that.
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I know it looks bad for me, because Calamitas' top scum read was me.
The fact that no scum have been seen as suspicious yet this game leads me to believe there are experienced scum players playing well e.g. faust.
How do you know no scum have been seen as suspicious yet? Pretty much everyone has been under the microscope at some point. Unless you know for a fact IDPTG is town, then I don't know how you could make that assertion. Just because scum hasn't been lynched doesn't mean they haven't been under suspicion.
Let's look at the possible scum teams. As far as I'm concerned, the three options are Joseph/faust, Joseph/IDPTG, or faust/IDPTG. I haven't seen much that would make me think it's faust/IDPTG, but I guess faust could have used ending the day with his vote on IDPTG to bus him a bit while there was no chance for it to actually cause IDPTG to be lynched. So that's possible, but I'm not sure it is most likely.
I really don't think Joseph and faust are both on the scum team unless Joseph is doing some serious bussing right now. That's possible, but I feel like scum being one bad lynch away from winning would discourage bussing this hard right now. However, they are the two biggest vets left in the game right now, so I guess between them they would each have the skill and experience to pull off this strong of a bus and be able to end it before it went too far.
Last is Joseph/IDPTG. Joseph is the person I believe is most likely to be scum of the three. Combining the case on him with IDPTG's ability to apparently escape all attention with a valid reason for staying out leads me to believe this is probably the most likely of the three. However, IDPTG is just as suspicious in a case where he is faust's partner, simply because IDPTG doesn't have that many significant interactions that I remember that we can evaluate.
So of those three people, judging on an individual basis, my lynch preference would be Joseph, followed by the other two in about a tie. However, the probability of each person being assigned to the scum team is the same, and so each of the three teams are statistically equally likely in a vacuum. When you use my reads of each person's two potential teams to estimate the likelihood of, I think IDPTG would be the safer lynch. HOWEVER, my gut still says Joseph is scum.
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I would probably want to lynch Joseph or Dylan here.
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I'm throwing out a Joseph/faust scum team, partly due to PoE.
The PoE part:
I think we can agree that RR is an IC at this point due to the lack of a counterclaim. Even though he told me not to (sort of) I'm still reading Dylan as town. Therefore only Joseph and faust remain.
The other part:
Given that it takes three to lynch, this is LyLo, and there are two scum remaining, if town ever puts someone to L-2 scum can jump in and hammer. RR put a vote on Joseph and nothing happened. So either RR was right or scum didn't get around to hammering.
The first argument implicates both Joseph and faust; the second only implicates Joseph. I don't think either argument is particularly compelling on its own, but together I take them to be strong enough to have confidence in saying that Joseph is scum. Combine this with Calamitas' read and I'm almost ready to vote.
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And part of the reason I voted Joseph was because I knew I would be around fpr several hours after casting my vote
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The fact that no scum have been seen as suspicious yet this game leads me to believe there are experienced scum players playing well e.g. faust.
That's just not enough. Do some work.
So the onus is on me to do more, rather than everyone else who's done nothing today?
Makes sense.
Yes, the onus to reread is on every single one of us.
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So so far my name has been suggested as scum by everybody.
And faust has been suggested as scum by quite a few people (me, IDPTG, Dylan).
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So so far my name has been suggested as scum by everybody.
And faust has been suggested as scum by quite a few people (me, IDPTG, Dylan).
I don't recall suggesting anything.
I will reread later today or tomorrow. Reserving judgment until then. You should reread too. I think I already said that.
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Will reread Dylan because he's the person I did not yet reread.
gkrieg honestly scares me because he plays such a good town game that I really want him alive, but I just know the game I decide to not be suspicious of him and fully trust him will be the one that he is scum and it bites me in the butt. would not lynch today.
First post. This is interesting in that it offers an explanation for gkrieg's kill. But I think many players would kill gkrieg, so meh.
Notably, he does not give any reads on players who are still alive now in that post. That's slightly towny; scum usually feels compelled to have an opinion on their partner.
Defends Jake a fair bit. White knighting? Maybe. Considering that the main lynch alternatives were all townies, not even unlikely. In his last D1 post, he states that he's more not willing to vote for Jake out of sympathy. Town points for that.
On D2, starts out pushing a Calamitas case.
Calamitas/idptg team seems legit.
What about IDPTG makes you think he's the other half of the scum team?
Intruiging. It's not easy asking a question like that about your partner. So that makes Dylan/Idplay less likely.
I don't like his insistence on "I would have voted Jake if given the time", which reads a bit like "I'm caught for the wrong reasons!" Scum points are due here.
This (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16550.msg660763#msg660763) post is lenghty and I won't quote, but it reads towny to me.
Also IDPTG, I'm glad someone has been following my logic so far, but as a matter of improving your play, just because someone is saying what you are thinking doesn't always mean they are town. It can help you clarify your reads sometimes, but sometimes scum will overly agree with you or take sensible stances that you agree with just to get you on their side to help prevent wagons on them. I've been duped by scum who was doing that before and it sucks, so in the future maybe don't use that as your sole reason for town reading someone.
This is interesting. I find it somewhat unlikely that Dylan would give out advice on how to form reads to his partner in the game threads. Further detracting from a Dylan/Idplay team.
Also notable in this post is that a couple of reads are given, but Joseph is just stuck into the scum-to-town list witout explanation. Not sure what that means.
Although, having said that, I guess the two of the vets still alive weren't on the wagon, so Joseph and faust's just slid a little bit in my book. Also, was anyone on the wagon besides Jake himself technically a newb?
LaLight, what about Joseph always looks scummy and what has he done to look towny to you?
unvote because I'm actually not sure if I'd rather lynch Joseph or Calamitas now.
This is an important point during D2. Dylan has been solidly pushing Calamatis for most of the day, now he's backing off and considering Joseph. Will he you for it? The suspense...
Well, the only two newbs that were off wagon were IDPTG and myself, and I already told you why I wasn't on it. If I remember correctly IDPTG also logged in before the deadline and but after the hammer, so I assume their reasoning would be pretty much the same. Of course I'm still not sure IDPTG is town, so it is technically possible for you to be right if IDPTG is actually scum.
That's not that important in terms of reads, but it is somewhat unlikely for both scum to be off the Jake wagon. I mean that thing he did may have been considered a scumslipped, but the people on Jake were already voting for Jake before that, so I except a scum there.
Yeah, I would have let you hammer if the case on Joseph hadn't become so interesting. I think I would rather vote: Joseph than Calamitas for today.
Dylan moves from Calamitas to Joseph, putting them at L-1. The question is, did he decide to bus? It seems possible. At least I never see a real reason for why Joseph is suddenly more scummy than Calamitas. On the other hand, I feel that scum may be afraid of bussing with both PRs still around.
Ok, so my lynch pool for today is either Calamitas or Joseph. I think there's a pretty good chance one of them is scum, but at this point I'm not sure which one actually is. I would consider IDPTG, but I do believe their reason for being inactive so I really don't want to see us mislynch due to inactivity when there are better options anyway.
So I don't like the treatment of Idplay in this... but still, there have been instances earlier that make me think this is not the team.
Also, I'm not sure that scum would threaten to never play again if they are lynched. Maybe, but this seems like real frustrated!town. Vote: Calamitas This is L-1 I think.
And Dylan backs off Joseph again. Actually I think Dylan is rather towny in this. But it's a reasonable move for Joseph's partner; just not sure Dylan could pull it off.
So overall I still feel mild town on Dylan, and partners would be Joseph > Idplay.
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Oh, and Request prods on RR, Joseph, Idplay, Dylan
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Oh, and Request prods on RR, Joseph, Idplay, Dylan
Here
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But busy
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Oh, and Request prods on RR, Joseph, Idplay, Dylan
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Alright
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Let's not lynch Faust
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
Does that block the NK? I think it's interesting that some of faust's town reads on Dylan hinge on Dylan not being good enough of a scum player.
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
Does that block the NK? I think it's interesting that some of faust's town reads on Dylan hinge on Dylan not being good enough of a scum player.
No, it would cause scum to die if they killed me.
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
Does that block the NK? I think it's interesting that some of faust's town reads on Dylan hinge on Dylan not being good enough of a scum player.
No, it would cause scum to die if they killed me.
Right. Got it confused with Jailkeeper. Which still might not do that.
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
Well it depends on whether you want to make the final lynch decision yourself or let the rest of the town do it.
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I think I may have to postpone the remaining rereads for a day or two.
Sorry, my availability at this crucial point really sucks :/
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I think I may have to postpone the remaining rereads for a day or two.
Sorry, my availability at this crucial point really sucks :/
Ditto. Might be able to do them tomorrow if I'm lucky.
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I'm here but also busy. Bday is tomorrow and having to prep for Christmas stuff+birthday sucks. I'll sit down before I go to bed and catch up.
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
Either you target your top scum read and hope you take one with you if they target you or you target your top town read to protect them assuming scum doesn't want to risk being killed by you, which blocks the nk. It is pretty textbook WIFOM and whatever you decide to do, don't tell the thread what it is. Of course, you could say it and do the opposite, but that's pretty much the exact same situation. So do whatever you think is best.
I know we don't want to be the first person to vote to avoid a quick mislynch, but if we have individually and collectively decided who we want to see lynched, should we do like an unofficial vote to see what everyone wants or would do right note?
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Also: I will go do my best to go through and reread Faust and idptg tomorrow night, because I think they are the only two I haven't. I don't think I'll have time to do a quote by quote post that is quite as thorough as faust's, unfortunately, but I will do my best with the little time I will have.
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Also: I will go do my best to go through and reread Faust and idptg tomorrow night, because I think they are the only two I haven't. I don't think I'll have time to do a quote by quote post that is quite as thorough as faust's, unfortunately, but I will do my best with the little time I will have.
By tomorrow I do mean later today on the 22nd. To me, tomorrow is after I wake up, not after midnight :P
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I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.
Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?
Either you target your top scum read and hope you take one with you if they target you or you target your top town read to protect them assuming scum doesn't want to risk being killed by you, which blocks the nk. It is pretty textbook WIFOM and whatever you decide to do, don't tell the thread what it is. Of course, you could say it and do the opposite, but that's pretty much the exact same situation. So do whatever you think is best.
I know we don't want to be the first person to vote to avoid a quick mislynch, but if we have individually and collectively decided who we want to see lynched, should we do like an unofficial vote to see what everyone wants or would do right note?
That idea is good, as long as we remember to actually cast real votes later on as well.
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Alec/Dylan:
62 posts
D1 was absolutely nothing from Alec, and Dylan subbed in right at deadline, and gave a decent post in #338.
D2 he started by voting Calamitas (#666), trying to push the game forward after the D1 shenanigans (#709 & #716), switches to put me on L-1 (#915 & #917), only wants Calamitas or me lynched (#940) - both of us are town, although it didn't look like we were same alignment. #975 put Calamitas on L-2. This flip flopping could be scum seeing 2 mislynches, and not caring which one happens.
D3 he was confused about PRs (#1053), wants to vote for me, the easy mislynch (#1065 & #1098), claims last with a safe VT claim (#1094)
All I can see from him is votes for bad lynches. Could be scum.
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RR: not going to reread now, as he's obviously town and basically an IC
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IDPTG:
74 posts
D1 starts with RV (#63), then RVs to Jake (#76). Against claiming idea and thinks faust is scum for it (#91, #112, #144), before backtracking that claiming = scummy (#160). Tries to push game away from claiming (#175, #178, #180), then votes Jake (#194), posts some thoughts/ town reads (#249), didn't vote Jake as he didn't want to be on an easy mislynch wagon (#642, #929)- this seems kind of hedgy, but I understand why you don't want to jump on it.
D2 starts talking about recognising tricks (#700, #702), #787 is interesting as he says "I said I felt like either faust or gkrieg was scum and gkrieg flipped VT, so that would mean I think faust is scum." Inactive for lots of D2. Votes for me, but later intent to hammer on Calamitas. So he liked both mislynch wagons.
D3 he gets RR to unvote, which is good (#1064), claims VT third (#1076).
Overall, I think he's looking a little bit townier than Dylan in my opinion.
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I'll reread faust later, although I do have a scum opinion of him.
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Oh yeah, Alec was Dylan.
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Votes for me, but later intent to hammer on Calamitas. So he liked both mislynch wagons.
I was going to vote Calamitas to avoid a no-lynch. I didn't "like" the wagon; I agreed with LaLight.
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So I reread faust. I actually don't really know what to make of this so far. The theory discussion at the beginning earns some town points. His experience shows in the way he examines arguments and people's reads or lack of reads. My gut feeling for D1 would be to say his D1 was overall towny, but then there is quite a bit of stuff that isn't really alignment indicative on its own that seemed to steer the conversation in a way that, if he is scum, would have put him in a really good place. So to me, his D1 seemed towny.
This stuck out from pretty early D2:
Interestingly, all off-wagon people (except me) are players that kinda slipped below the radar. Like, Idplay, Joseph. Dylan... don't really have opinions on them. I have a feeling that there is a scum in there.
Seeing this post made me realize something: The only person who was on the Jake lynch and is still alive (RR) is an IC. So literally Jake's entire wagon was town. Not that this actually has anything to do with faust, but considering all Cal's points about scum being off-wagon, I guess Calamitas was right after all since both scum were off wagon. (Tangent: To me, this gives Calamitas some extra credibility when looking at his EoD2 comments and reads. I will have to go back and read his thoughts too later. /EndofTangent) Faust's feeling then would also be correct, there is for sure at least one scum in that set. I would like to say his knowledge that there is one scum in that group seems scummy, but that's easy to say with hindsight, so I guess I will just call it null but noteworthy.
In posts #893 and #894, which are both long, he reads Joseph and then IDPTG. His feelings are summed up in #895:
So it comes down to this: Joseph has been scummy consistently in my opinion. Idplay on the other hand has some townier moments and then only this one thing that seems pretty scummy. Ultimately, I might prefer lynching Joseph here.
His case on Joseph honestly doesn't seem that great at that point, and yet he was his main lynch candidate over IDPTG. However, his IDPTG read seems legit, and Joseph didn't have a whole lot to go on at that point, so if he was reading those two as his biggest scum candidates, then voting Joseph makes sense on the case he had. He then disappeared for a lot of the back and forth between Calamitas, Joseph, and myself. Faust came back and said he thought Calamitas was town and that he didn't want to see a Calamitas lynch. When Joseph threatened to never play again if he got lynched, faust moved from Joseph to IDPTG. Then later:
At this point I think I would vote Calamitas over Joseph. But you know, that would be the hammer. So I guess I'll stay on Idplay unless someone convinces me in like 2 minutes.
I'm not really sure what made him change his mind on Calamitas. We may never know though, because he ended the day on IDPTG. This reads as either scum bussing Joseph and changing when it looks like he might actually get lynched, or just town going back and forth trying to decide who the best lynch is. His behavior is similar to mine RE: Calamitas v. Joseph, but it is the opposite direction as what my mind changed, so I want to town-read the behavior, but the possibility that he was bussing and then trying to defuse a wagon on his partner seems fairly likely.
He hasn't given a whole lot on D3 other than a big reread of me and he has pushed everyone to do their own rereads, which is fair. There is also the fact he has not been lynched yet while other active vets have been. The same case can be made about Joseph. Overall, I had been thinking he was town until I reread him, but having read it all at once, he seems scummy, but I don't think he is more scummy than Joseph. Until I reread IDPTG (which will have to wait till tomorrow), I'm inclined to think it is a Joseph/faust scum team.
If we are doing the unofficial vote thing, right now I would vote: Joseph, because I still think he makes more sense as a potential parter with IDPTG than faust does, so I'm thinking that whether or not faust is his parter, Joseph is scum. I will go back and completely reread Joseph too after I'm done with IDPTG just to be sure though before I officially vote.
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Hi, sorry. I'm afraid Christmas stuf is taking more of my time than I assumed and I won't get around to do another reread. So, for me, it's either Joseph or Idplay today.
The thing Joseph has going for him is that I feel he's more likely to be Dylan's partner. What I don't like is that everyone is already teaming up on him; I feel that a scum team would want to win today and not bus their partner.
So this makes me want to go for Idplay. Also there's the fact that nobody really wants to lynch him despite multiple scum reads is telling. Overall I think he has the highest chance of being scum. There is also the out-there-ness of Joseph's D2 play, which I think is more likely scum... so I guess an Idplay/Dylan team isn't impossible.
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Also, I will be out tomorrow from at least around noon forum time until the deadline. o this needs a decision.
I really really wish I could do this in a more informed way. Still, vote: Idplay
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Vote Count 3.1
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust
Not Voting (4): Dylan, Joseph, Roadrunner, IDPTG
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends at 6pm forum time on Saturday 24th December. That's in ~31 hours.
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Since apparently votes are starting, unofficial vote: Joseph
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Since apparently votes are starting, unofficial vote: Joseph
I will Unofficialvote:faust
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Unofficial vote count 3.1
faust(1): Joseph
Joseph(2):Dylan, IDPTG
IDPTG(1): faust (official vote)
Not voting (1): RR
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Hi, sorry. I'm afraid Christmas stuf is taking more of my time than I assumed and I won't get around to do another reread. So, for me, it's either Joseph or Idplay today.
The thing Joseph has going for him is that I feel he's more likely to be Dylan's partner. What I don't like is that everyone is already teaming up on him; I feel that a scum team would want to win today and not bus their partner.
So this makes me want to go for Idplay. Also there's the fact that nobody really wants to lynch him despite multiple scum reads is telling. Overall I think he has the highest chance of being scum. There is also the out-there-ness of Joseph's D2 play, which I think is more likely scum... so I guess an Idplay/Dylan team isn't impossible.
Could this be why you are backing off of Joseph? Because you don't want to bus your partner?
With that first official vote, and seeing IDPTG's unofficial vote, I'm not worried about scum quick hammering Joseph since he won't self vote, RR is town, and everyone else's opinions are known, so I'll go ahead and officially vote: Joseph
RR, I think you are last unless I missed it. What are you thinking?
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Hi, sorry. I'm afraid Christmas stuf is taking more of my time than I assumed and I won't get around to do another reread. So, for me, it's either Joseph or Idplay today.
The thing Joseph has going for him is that I feel he's more likely to be Dylan's partner. What I don't like is that everyone is already teaming up on him; I feel that a scum team would want to win today and not bus their partner.
So this makes me want to go for Idplay. Also there's the fact that nobody really wants to lynch him despite multiple scum reads is telling. Overall I think he has the highest chance of being scum. There is also the out-there-ness of Joseph's D2 play, which I think is more likely scum... so I guess an Idplay/Dylan team isn't impossible.
Could this be why you are backing off of Joseph? Because you don't want to bus your partner?
With that first official vote, and seeing IDPTG's unofficial vote, I'm not worried about scum quick hammering Joseph since he won't self vote, RR is town, and everyone else's opinions are known, so I'll go ahead and officially vote: Joseph
RR, I think you are last unless I missed it. What are you thinking?
Well in that case, I should make my vote official.
Vote: faust
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Hmmmm, I'm thinking
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Woah this might be the last time I'm online until the deadline.
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I think I gotta Vote: IDPTG
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I think I gotta Vote: IDPTG
Why me over Joseph?
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vote: IDPTG that's 3.
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Rude
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Well, I really was town. Gg wp scum, looking forward to see who it was.
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vote: IDPTG that's 3.
Aside from Dylan.
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Yeah good game. No matter what we kill rr, force no lynch the1v1 and win the next night. This was fun. Good game all!
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Yeah good game. No matter what we kill rr, force no lynch the1v1 and win the next night. This was fun. Good game all!
I like how you told me not to town read you.
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I think I just said don't use a weak reason to town read me lol. But anyway, I'm nothing but honest haha
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I'm glad it ended today, but part of me wanted to see if I could handle tomorrow if we lynched my partner (who is free to reveal their identity before the flip or wait, I won't say it).
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I'm glad it ended today, but part of me wanted to see if I could handle tomorrow if we lynched my partner (who is free to reveal their identity before the flip or wait, I won't say it).
Plot twist: I'm your partner and it's the worst planned bus ever
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I'm glad it ended today, but part of me wanted to see if I could handle tomorrow if we lynched my partner (who is free to reveal their identity before the flip or wait, I won't say it).
Plot twist: I'm your partner and it's the worst planned bus ever
That might be enough to make me disappear from the forums permanently if I butchered an easy endgame that badly haha.
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I'm glad it ended today, but part of me wanted to see if I could handle tomorrow if we lynched my partner (who is free to reveal their identity before the flip or wait, I won't say it).
Plot twist: I'm your partner and it's the worst planned bus ever
That might be enough to make me disappear from the forums permanently if I butchered an easy endgame that badly haha.
I did that one game by accident lol.
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But we've lost right :( In which case, it must be faust/Dylan team
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Vote Count Final
IDontPlayThisGame (3): faust, RR, Dylan
faust (1): Joseph
Not Voting (1): IDPTG
IDPTG has been lynched! He was Interpersonal Relationships, the Vanilla Townie.
The scum team of Dylan (Mafia Goon, FUN) and faust (Mafia Role-Cop, GAMES) Wins!
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Lol! I healed faust N1 and Dylan N2. Say thanks to me, scums :))
Mvp: Dylan, i was always sure he's town.
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Apologies for the setup flaw! I take full responsibility.
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Damn it, I had the scum team right though.
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Apologies for the setup flaw! I take full responsibility.
You mean doc + babysitter? :) yeah, i asked this question
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ya
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Also, i don't know is this argument valid, but what if Alec was scum (and Dylan is)?
Supposedly the former found it very hard to play scum with no way what to do and asked about replacement. People were waiting for reads from him and some more than others (i'm too lazy for searching right now, but RR maybe?). What if these people are his teammates? What do you guys think about this theory?
Everybody ignored!
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7) IDontPlayThisGame - clear newb!town. Tries to enter the game. One more thought about him I'd better keep to myself for the best.
LaLight, what was it? If you remember and there actually was something.
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7) IDontPlayThisGame - clear newb!town. Tries to enter the game. One more thought about him I'd better keep to myself for the best.
LaLight, what was it? If you remember and there actually was something.
For some reason i was sure that you are a PR. Don't remeber it clearly
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7) IDontPlayThisGame - clear newb!town. Tries to enter the game. One more thought about him I'd better keep to myself for the best.
LaLight, what was it? If you remember and there actually was something.
For some reason i was sure that you are a PR. Don't remeber it clearly
I wasn't too far from the mark then. Cool
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Any game where I die N1 and Faust is in it, he has to be scum
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Any game where I die N1 and Faust is in it, he has to be scum
Problem was, other people would know that.
But I was the only one who voted faust.
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I'm really surprised I actually correctly called out RR and he didn't die at night
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Any game where I die N1 and Faust is in it, he has to be scum
I mean, I was doubly protected N1. Would have been hard to kill me if I was town.
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I'm really surprised I actually correctly called out RR and he didn't die at night
While we did know there was a babysitter, we didn't see anything to make us think you were right about it being rr until later in the game. Besides, babysitter is dangerous to lynch due to the possibility of being killed by his ability. So even if we thought you were right earlier, I probably would have left him alive anyway.
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I'm really surprised I actually correctly called out RR and he didn't die at night
While we did know there was a babysitter, we didn't see anything to make us think you were right about it being rr until later in the game. Besides, babysitter is dangerous to lynch due to the possibility of being killed by his ability. So even if we thought you were right earlier, I probably would have left him alive anyway.
Where did you know from that there was a babysitter?
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I'm really surprised I actually correctly called out RR and he didn't die at night
While we did know there was a babysitter, we didn't see anything to make us think you were right about it being rr until later in the game. Besides, babysitter is dangerous to lynch due to the possibility of being killed by his ability. So even if we thought you were right earlier, I probably would have left him alive anyway.
Where did you know from that there was a babysitter?
Never mind, forgot the bolded part
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Sorry it took us so long to get around to this:
Dylan is MVP!
Both faust and Dylan played really good games, but Haddock and I figured that Dylan deserved it more because he was barely under any suspicion, plus it's hard to sub into games, especially as scum (so Haddock tells me!), and also because it was his first scum game here, which is very appropriate for a Newbie Mafia game :-)
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Well-deserved!
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Thanks!