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[Teproc]

... no one else has been vanillaized?  I guess a VT that is targetted with a Vanillaizer role wouldn't get any notification?

Could be a one-shot too, like as part of a Jack of all Trades. Don't know if that exists in terms of flavor though, a VT being targeted seems more likely.

[Teproc]

The more I think about it, the more I like lynching a VT here, probably Hydrad.

[Haddock]

... no one else has been vanillaized?  I guess a VT that is targetted with a Vanillaizer role wouldn't get any notification?

I want to hear one more time from igu here. This was all the weird interaction earlier today, I think maybe igu thought that the webbing was him being vanillaised. If he has definitely been vanillaised as well, we need to know.  but my assumption here is that there is no vanillaiser.

PPE. I prefer egor to hydrad. Surely if we believe WW then his result still applies?

[Teproc]

WW's result still doesn't make Hydrad town, but I do keep forgetting about it.

I like the timing of EgorK's VT claim, but yes, he is also acceptable. I'll reread Hydrad, EgorK and iguana soon, not right now though. Maybe faust too.

[Witherweaver]

I'm leaning towards lynching a VT too.

[Witherweaver]

Really, though.. there has to be either a Redirector-type role, or Faust is lying.

People voting Faust, I'm curious to hear the narratives.

[Haddock]

Really, though.. there has to be either a Redirector-type role, or Faust is lying.

People voting Faust, I'm curious to hear the narratives.

Well, I'm less confident after teproc's PR count. But it felt like too many PRs. And faust had by far the weakest PR claim.
Other claimed PRs have seemed towny independently,  which faust not so much.

If Teproc is lying here I think we're all screwed.

[Witherweaver]

My PR is far weaker than Faust's.

[Witherweaver]

But what I meant is, why does scum!Faust come out and claim like that early on Day 2?

[Haddock]

My PR is far weaker than Faust's.

But your claim is stronger.

The timing of faust's claim is the only thing it has going for it, everything else is weaksauce.
The narrative is fairly simple. Scum, under pressure, decides to go for the bold fakeclaim, relying on the fact that it's so off the wall and ballsy to make it seem like an unlikely scum play.

Still, I could support a VT lynch.

Hydrad and egor both look bad to me, I need to look at yumas reads and also the egor wagon we had.
I'm really not sure I can see thor as a VT. That just seems kinda crazy. I know not everyone can have a PR, but really, ghost rider gets a BP and thor nothing? Crappy argument, I'm aware, but still.

[Witherweaver]

My PR is far weaker than Faust's.

But your claim is stronger.

The timing of faust's claim is the only thing it has going for it, everything else is weaksauce.
The narrative is fairly simple. Scum, under pressure, decides to go for the bold fakeclaim, relying on the fact that it's so off the wall and ballsy to make it seem like an unlikely scum play.

But what if it works, and I get lynched?  How does he get out of it?

[Haddock]

Same way as he's theoretically escaping now. Claims some redirection nonsense must have happened.

[Teproc]

ANd let's not forget faust continually pushed for WW on day 2. And WW was a possible lynch until very late, so it's hard to say it was just for show.

faust claiming Tracker when he did isn't townie, but Tracker with an incriminating result is not a great lace for scum to be.

[Teproc]

Same way as he's theoretically escaping now. Claims some redirection nonsense must have happened.

That never works. I know it did here, but it really never does. No way you count on that.

Well I say that, and I'm not that sure aobut faust either but... there also is significant upside in having him alive anyway, so I don't think he should be lynched today.

[Haddock]

there also is significant upside in having him alive anyway, so I don't think he should be lynched today.

This you might have to explain to me. I havent thought that much about it, but you seem to be saying that there are advantages to keeping faust alive today even if he were superlikely scum. I dont get it.

[Teproc]

Well, not superlikely scum, but even if we're not completely convinced he's scum. He has partners and this isn't lylo.

There's the obvious fact that a PR is good for town, especially an investigative PR, and Tracker is a pretty strong one.

Then... well I don't want to get too much into discussing possible future night actions, but I think there's a certain set of PRs we really want alive tonight, and faust is part of that. Because we don't exactly know what scum has, it's hard to know exactly though.

[Teproc]

not completely convinced he's town*

[Haddock]

Think I'll change to vote: hydrad while I sleep on things and look through stuff tomorrow. Night all.

[Witherweaver]

I'd like to hear Faust's thoughts.  He's still VLA.

There are other things to consider.  Like maybe Yuma was Redirected to himself and Igua got blocked as Mafia killer. 

Though, kill flavor.. did Ash add it yet?

[faust]

Stimme 3.3:

WW (1): Hydrad
Haddock (1): 2.7
faust (2): EgorK, Haddock

nicht an der Abstimmung (5): Ampharos, WW, faust, iguanaiguana, Teproc

Mit 9 Leben, dauert es 5 bis lynch.

Tag 3 wird am 01.15 pm 29 Dezember enden.

The German could use a bit of work

Oh, and I guess people are voting for me.

[faust]

Question: Assume scum has redirecting powers. Why is there no indication of them being used last night?

I might come back to WW. Though I am sort of suspicious of Teproc too.

[faust]

Also, if there is a case on me, I would like to hear it... I don't see much other than "huh, faust is scummy" with no explanation.

[EgorK]

Also, if there is a case on me, I would like to hear it... I don't see much other than "huh, faust is scummy" with no explanation.

Main problems is:

Too many investigative roles
Ninja modifier does not make sense for town tracker
Claimed tracker was not killed or vanilised
Your play was scummy before claim.

[Ampharos]

Just looking at the numbers, there's most likely one or two of the VTs that are scum.  I highly doubt none of us are.  Which one to attack though, is more problematic.  And obviously we've got someone lying in the PRs.  Personally, I think shooting for a VT is better, and more likely to hit scum.  If we hit right, we can infer a lot from there.

Still thinking on my vote.

[2.71828.....]

Just looking at the numbers, there's most likely one or two of the VTs that are scum.  I highly doubt none of us are.  Which one to attack though, is more problematic.  And obviously we've got someone lying in the PRs.  Personally, I think shooting for a VT is better, and more likely to hit scum.  If we hit right, we can infer a lot from there.

Still thinking on my vote.

I agree with this. The only problem is that a VT claim is more likely to just be a goon. Which, I mean, at this point any scum is a good lynch