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[clantosa]

How can you beat this lvl only using 2 zaps when the bot starts with 2 duchies and 3 silvers and when you start with a curse and no benefits?

[SirPeebles]

I don't know about that particular level, but lots of them you essentially can't do with just two zaps.  Goko did a terrible job designing the adventure mode.

[clantosa]

Kingdom includes:

Possession, Lab, Council room, Apprentice, Throne room, Garden, Familiar, University, Scrying pool, and cellar

[GendoIkari]

How can you beat this lvl only using 2 zaps when the bot starts with 2 duchies and 3 silvers and when you start with a curse and no benefits?

To paraphrase the creator of Dominion, "don't play the adventures until Goko fixes them." There are lots of issues with the adventures. Your best bet if you really want to do it is to use more than 2 zaps... you can get as many zaps as you need from the coins that you get while playing. Get enough to zap things back to normal starting hands; at which point you can actually play Dominion, instead of this weird, unbeatable, unfun, spinoff of Dominion.

[jonts26]

I believe there are plans in the works to redo the adventures. The game creator, Donald X., has put a lot of time into making good adventures and they'll be out at some point hopefully sooner rather than later.

[clantosa]

Kingdom includes:

Possession, Lab, Council room, Apprentice, Throne room, Garden, Familiar, University, Scrying pool, and cellar

Were you able to beat all of alchemy?

[clantosa]

I believe there are plans in the works to redo the adventures. The game creator, Donald X., has put a lot of time into making good adventures and they'll be out at some point hopefully sooner rather than later.

Alright thanks. I'll keep trying to beat this level with only 2 zaps but if I can't I'll go and get some. Everything has been fine up untill this ridiculous level.

[silverspawn]

i wouldn't bother with adventures either, tbh (or just zap everything?). but that's not what you want to hear, if you want to beat it, go for it. don't let anyone tell you what you should do.

now, let's see, you will want to buy familiar for sure, and probably into university/coincil room/throne room. don't bother with scrying pool. with equal starting hands i would've said get some light trashing and go for provinces, but since you're playing from behind i'd probably skip trashing entierly and just go for gardens. it depends on how good the bot plays, does he blockpick gardens, how fast does he buy provinces, etc.

if you stay with 2 zaps - use them on his silvers, i think. maybe on your coppers. definitely don't use them on victory cards

[clantosa]

A quick question about zaps

Lets say I buy 10 zaps. If I use up say 5 zaps on level 15 will I be allow to keep using these 5 zaps on the level over and over again just like your allowed to keep using the starter 2 zaps? Or will my 5 zaps only last the 1 game?

[clantosa]

A quick question about zaps

Lets say I buy 10 zaps. If I use up say 5 zaps on level 15 will I be allow to keep using these 5 zaps on the level over and over again just like your allowed to keep using the starter 2 zaps? Or will my 5 zaps only last the 1 game?

I have been zaping his silvers because it makes the most sence right now.

And he usually gets the first prov by turn 4 and he buys out as many gardens as possible. This level seems to have a hate level of 10/10

[clantosa]

w00t i beat the level using only the 2 starting zaps!

Basically I got 3 familiars, 3 cellar, a few silver, and 1 council room. I started buying out gardens as soon as possible and used cellars to recycle as much junk as i could

Sadly I only got 2 stars but oh well

I'd post a picture but I can't figure out how to insert a file

[Witherweaver]

A quick question about zaps

Lets say I buy 10 zaps. If I use up say 5 zaps on level 15 will I be allow to keep using these 5 zaps on the level over and over again just like your allowed to keep using the starter 2 zaps? Or will my 5 zaps only last the 1 game?

Once you select an extra zap for that level, you'll always get that extra zap for that level.  So you don't "lose" them if you play the level over again.

[Pneumatiker]

If I use up say 5 zaps on level 15 will I be allow to keep using these 5 zaps on the level over and over again just like your allowed to keep using the starter 2 zaps? Or will my 5 zaps only last the 1 game?

You are allowed to use the zaps over and over again.

[KingZog3]

I don't mean to be rude, but stop playing the adventures. Unless you REALLY want the promos, they are not fun, don't make you a better player are are a waste of time. Only Dark Ages has balanced games, and even then playing against real people is just more enjoyable.

[LastFootnote]

I don't mean to be rude, but stop playing the adventures. Unless you REALLY want the promos, they are not fun, don't make you a better player are are a waste of time. Only Dark Ages has balanced games, and even then playing against real people is just more enjoyable.

That's just, like, your opinion, man. I happen to agree, but some people do prefer to play bots.

I agree that ideally you should wait until the Adventures are fixed to play them. Not only are they theoretically getting rid of unbalanced starting hands, but each finale set of Adventures will apparently have some special rule that alters the gameplay. So, less grind, more fun.

[KingZog3]

I don't mean to be rude, but stop playing the adventures. Unless you REALLY want the promos, they are not fun, don't make you a better player are are a waste of time. Only Dark Ages has balanced games, and even then playing against real people is just more enjoyable.

That's just, like, your opinion, man. I happen to agree, but some people do prefer to play bots.

It is my opinion. I said it. I don't see any problem. The main point is even playing bots is better then playing adventures. They are not the same thing. And like, nearly everyone agrees. Yes DXV plays bots, but I doubt its because its more fun. It more out of convenience. Its faster and no waiting for a game needed.

[sudgy]

Playing people will make you a better player than playing bots though, that's for sure.

[DG]

To be fair, some of the adventure kingdoms are fine and are interesting but the problem is always the zaps. You have to make a decision of "how many zaps will make me enjoy this game and win it" before you play which ruins it, for me anyway.

Others have said it before me but don't pay real money for zaps. MakingFun will hopefully be changing the system soon and we don't know if zaps have any future at all.

[clantosa]

Playing people will make you a better player than playing bots though, that's for sure.

I find that bots are pretty helpful. They play some nice engines that you can learn from when your new to a set.

And I just play adventures cuz I like completion. Logging in and seeing all the adventures with stars is cool

[sudgy]

Playing people will make you a better player than playing bots though, that's for sure.

I find that bots are pretty helpful. They play some nice engines that you can learn from when your new to a set.

And I just play adventures cuz I like completion. Logging in and seeing all the adventures with stars is cool

The bots are not that good at the game.  When you learn from them, you don't learn that well.

[Awaclus]

Playing people will make you a better player than playing bots though, that's for sure.

I find that bots are pretty helpful. They play some nice engines that you can learn from when your new to a set.

And I just play adventures cuz I like completion. Logging in and seeing all the adventures with stars is cool

The bots are not that good at the game.  When you learn from them, you don't learn that well.

They are pretty good at money strategies, but not very good at engines. If you play against the bots, you will learn how to play money strategies well, but you won't learn how to build great engines or how much better engines usually are than big money.

[clantosa]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

[Donald X.]

It is my opinion. I said it. I don't see any problem. The main point is even playing bots is better then playing adventures. They are not the same thing. And like, nearly everyone agrees. Yes DXV plays bots, but I doubt its because its more fun. It more out of convenience. Its faster and no waiting for a game needed.

Well I am in the unique position of being me, which changes how non-bot games go.

The bots have some advantages for new players - they're good enough to beat you, you aren't making somebody angry at how long you're thinking. For experienced players, if you just want to spend a few minutes playing, they play quickly, are there immediately, and won't mind if you quit (though they need to fix the quit% thing). It doesn't need to be about learning.

As people have said, the adventures will be overhauled, I have been promised that this will happen soon. The biggest thing is that you won't be expected to zap your way to competitiveness vs. a bot that starts with 3 Provinces. There will be rules twists spicing up act 3's (4 for Dark Ages). Some individual levels will vary things in whatever mildly interesting way. Most of the actual sets of 10 cards are unchanged.

In the meantime, if you are hungry for adventure levels, Dark Ages Act 3 does not ramp up to needing more than the 2 zaps they give you. Prosperity Act 1 ramps up, but you can beat most of it by being better with Goons than the bots are. And otherwise you can play the early levels of act 1's.

[Witherweaver]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

I'm pretty sure that's what you get when you play against Stef...

[sudgy]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

It is pretty much impossible to know the best strategy for any kingdom.  And, there are some tactics that would need to change.

[clantosa]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

It is pretty much impossible to know the best strategy for any kingdom.  And, there are some tactics that would need to change.

well if you have the simulator run for days as it gathers 10 000 games worth of data I'm sure it will be able to spit out a strategy that wins "x" number of times and that is better than all others that were tested. I'm no software engineer so I wouldn't be able to conjure such machine, but i dont think itll be very difficult to create either

The purpose of such machine would be to have it spit out a formula of cards you should buy for any given set so that you will win against all others most of the time.

For example in BM market/vill/smithy we know the best formula is something around 5 market, 5 smithy, and 6 villages

So a machine (simulator) that would be able to input any kingdom and generate such a formula would be great

[LastFootnote]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

It is pretty much impossible to know the best strategy for any kingdom.  And, there are some tactics that would need to change.

well if you have the simulator run for days as it gathers 10 000 games worth of data I'm sure it will be able to spit out a strategy that wins "x" number of times and that is better than all others that were tested. I'm no software engineer so I wouldn't be able to conjure such machine, but i dont think itll be very difficult to create either

The purpose of such machine would be to have it spit out a formula of cards you should buy for any given set so that you will win against all others most of the time.

For example in BM market/vill/smithy we know the best formula is something around 5 market, 5 smithy, and 6 villages

So a machine (simulator) that would be able to input any kingdom and generate such a formula would be great

I don't think you understand how Dominion works. Winning is as much about adapting to your opponent as it is about choosing a strategy. By definition, simulations cannot help you with that.

[sudgy]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

It is pretty much impossible to know the best strategy for any kingdom.  And, there are some tactics that would need to change.

well if you have the simulator run for days as it gathers 10 000 games worth of data I'm sure it will be able to spit out a strategy that wins "x" number of times and that is better than all others that were tested. I'm no software engineer so I wouldn't be able to conjure such machine, but i dont think itll be very difficult to create either

The purpose of such machine would be to have it spit out a formula of cards you should buy for any given set so that you will win against all others most of the time.

For example in BM market/vill/smithy we know the best formula is something around 5 market, 5 smithy, and 6 villages

So a machine (simulator) that would be able to input any kingdom and generate such a formula would be great

It depends on your opponent as well.  There are just way too many variables.  People have things like this and it does a good job with money strategies, but I heard someone left it on for days on an engine board and didn't realize the engine.  I'm actually making something that will be kind of similar, but I don't know if it will ever get good at the game.

[clantosa]

Is there any kind of simulator that you can hand select your kingdom and then have the simulator create the best possible strategy for that kingdom?

It is pretty much impossible to know the best strategy for any kingdom.  And, there are some tactics that would need to change.

well if you have the simulator run for days as it gathers 10 000 games worth of data I'm sure it will be able to spit out a strategy that wins "x" number of times and that is better than all others that were tested. I'm no software engineer so I wouldn't be able to conjure such machine, but i dont think itll be very difficult to create either

The purpose of such machine would be to have it spit out a formula of cards you should buy for any given set so that you will win against all others most of the time.

For example in BM market/vill/smithy we know the best formula is something around 5 market, 5 smithy, and 6 villages

So a machine (simulator) that would be able to input any kingdom and generate such a formula would be great

It depends on your opponent as well.  There are just way too many variables.  People have things like this and it does a good job with money strategies, but I heard someone left it on for days on an engine board and didn't realize the engine.  I'm actually making something that will be kind of similar, but I don't know if it will ever get good at the game.

Meh I'm a noob to dominion so I wouldn't know how difficult exactly it could be. Right now I only know things about the base set and alchemy.

[clantosa]

Is there any web site or good dominon resource that explains a wide wide range of strategies in a really clear concise way

[DG]

The Provincial dominion AI did try to learn strategies in a kingdom by repetition. It was limited though and it doesn't help humans learn strategy. Dominion Strategy | Cards, Combos, and Counters has a variety of articles that might you although the best way to learn is to play.

[LastFootnote]

Is there any web site or good dominon resource that explains a wide wide range of strategies in a really clear concise way

Where do you think you are?

dominionstrategy.com

[clantosa]

Is there any web site or good dominon resource that explains a wide wide range of strategies in a really clear concise way

Where do you think you are?

dominionstrategy.com

I meant other than dominionstrat since it was already a given : P

And I love how this thread has gotten so off topic from the original post

[jonts26]

And I love how this thread has gotten so off topic from the original post

Welcome to the forums.

[jonts26]

On a more serious note, the best way to get better is to play (even if it's against the bots, but not adventures in their current state). One thing that's helped a lot of new players is to post kingdoms with a log of their play in the help section and ask for feedback for improving. We're a generally helpful bunch, though we often lack a bit of tact.

[ragingduckd]

Is there any web site or good dominon resource that explains a wide wide range of strategies in a really clear concise way

Where do you think you are?

dominionstrategy.com

I meant other than dominionstrat since it was already a given : P

Well, there's also a lot of good stuff on this site.

[clantosa]

when was dominion invented anyways

[Donald X.]

when was dominion invented anyways

2006, came out in 2008

[clantosa]

when was dominion invented anyways

2006, came out in 2008

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i have been enlightened!

[Donald X.]

when was dominion invented anyways

2006, came out in 2008

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i have been enlightened!

that's what she said

[clantosa]

idk what this bot is going for.... it buys a throne room and spy every single turn and it keeps doing this crazy loop between spy and throne and two silvers lol. it is getting no where

[clantosa]

This bot failed in all respects it got 10 spies 10 throne rooms and 10 cellars and it managed to get 0 victory points by the end lol idk what the strategy here was

[ConMan]

This bot failed in all respects it got 10 spies 10 throne rooms and 10 cellars and it managed to get 0 victory points by the end lol idk what the strategy here was

What you need to realise is that the bots play the long game. The *very* long game. So long, in fact, it still hasn't ended.

[michaeljb]

This bot failed in all respects it got 10 spies 10 throne rooms and 10 cellars and it managed to get 0 victory points by the end lol idk what the strategy here was

What you need to realise is that the bots play the long game. The *very* long game. So long, in fact, it still hasn't ended.

The bots know you'll starve to death before them, so they're waiting for that win condition.

[SCSN]

This bot failed in all respects it got 10 spies 10 throne rooms and 10 cellars and it managed to get 0 victory points by the end lol idk what the strategy here was

The force is strong with this one.