Jimmmm -
Quick Day1 summary:
- weird do not lynch me until I claim thing... like really early in the game.
- early case on Eevee
- this quote I somehow missed before
If/when the time came, I just wanted something to refer back to so that my claim wouldn't look like it came out of left field.
- followed by this one that I also missed...
Of course, my other intention was to make sure I'm allowed to claim before being lynched (I have been lynched before while I was away, albeit in a blitz game when it was not unexpected). We can discuss it further if and when have to claim.
Both of these potentially look like scum forcing a breadcrumb.
- I think the weirdest thing about his eevee case was that 1. he presented it and then 2. followed up with nothing but fluff posts and the two I mentioned above... CSI: Miama, joking with the mod, commenting on other jokes... It was like he wanted to present the case, but not push it too hard... 3. and then he completely backs off after hearing a response. I didn't notice this before, but it makes it seem... more forced.
- He then gives rereads on a lot of players, and really gives nothing on any of them (Cuzz, Galz, Dsell and sparky) also says he won't support a Galz lynch "because he is Galz and because he is busy"
- votes mcmc, for what I see as a pretty good reason
- back to a scum read on eevee
- has a couple of squirmy posts in response to pressure, especially one where he calls out Robz for voting for him for "information" but Robz wasn't actually voting for him
- votes glooble, but then unvotes him pretty quickly
- lots of big posts day1... responding to people, lots of quotes, arguments
- thinks cuzz is probably town, but is willing to vote for him to end the day... yuck.
- announces intent to hammer if Cuzz hasn't posted in 10 minutes, but then doesn't vote (to be fair within that 10 minutes I had the post that started the shraeye quickwagon)... but still, people found mcmc scummy for a very similar thing, but jimmm hasn't received any flack for it and I think it is a scummier scenario and he continued to not hammer cuzz throughout that time to the end of day despite his declared intent...
(that wasn't quick... but Jimmm posted a lot day1)
Day2
- gets very defensive very quick about the potential of him and galz being scum partners in regard to his interactions with galz and having a town read on him day1
- claims that the killing of raerae was done to implicate jimmmm
- this quote
Just a thought on Galz to put down: I think Galz was in a fairly difficult situation in this game. He didn't want to be suspected enough to be lynched, but he wanted to be suspected enough to avoid being nightkilled by the other scum team/SK. I think people expressing Town reads on him and expressing a desire to not lynch him, as well as his scumhunting reputation, contributed to him being nightkilled. So I think the correct play by Galz' partner/s would be to try to cast some suspicion on him - not enough to get him lynched, but enough to make him seem less Towny and thus less likely to be nightkilled. That's not necessarily what they did, but I think that would have been the right thing to do.
which is basically the exact opposite of what he did.... potentially trying to move looking at galz's partner in a direction that leads away from Jimmmm
- another good quote about galz
Then he expressed his four lynch targets: me, Cuzz, shraeye and mcmc. The question I would ask is, how likely do you think it is that Galz would include a partner of his in that list? It seems like the thing often done by scum, but perhaps this is a different situation since with multiple scum teams, his team makes up a smaller percentage of the population. If he did include a partner in that list, that leaves me with shraeye and mcmc. If he didn't, then he probably named people who he actually thought were scummy. In which case we really have Galz' famous scumhunting at work, which might still count for something. And again, that leaves me with shraeye and mcmc. Given that I also suspected both of these on my own, the idea that there's at least one scum between them is looking more and more likely to me.
cuzz and shareye are dead... leaving Jimmm and mcmc. According to Jimmm's logic here we should be looking at those two. mcmc is semi-cleared (50%ish) from being Galz's partner... so that leaves Jimmm
- votes shraeye partially because of the above, but also because of the cuzz lynch...
- then switches to mcmc, but is back to shraeye after the Robz reveal
- doesn't appear to be online during the eevee lynch... or during the final hours of the day.
Day3
- thinks the case on Glooble has merit....
- thinks robz/mcmc are either scum together or town together.
- finds the most scummy (yuma, glooble, lio, themunch)
so there is quite a bit of stuff I find off about Jimmmm... a lot of it from Day1 because that is where most of his posts are. It is hard though... because he certainly has more posts than Glooble, so there are more opportunities for posts to seem scummy, so I will try to take that into account, but even then. There is day2 and day3 posts that I still find scummy. so to summarize.
1. lots of interaction with galz. especially defensively or pro-actively before suspicion is given. Trying to lead town in a direction to find scum that wouldn't implicate himself after Galz is NK... Town reads on Galz throughout day1 for really no reason.
2. the weird day1 claiming thing. Setting up a very obvious breadcrumb. I have often said before that town shouldn't need to breadcrumb and I think it isn't a very pro-town thing to do and is more of a scum trait than anything else. Scum thinks no one will believe their claim. Town can't believe it when no one believes their claim. so scum sets up the breadcrumb. Town is just incredulous when they are lynched
3. the eevee case was kinda weird, especially all the jokes in the middle. Joking isn't necessarily a scum trait, but I do wonder if Jimmm was trying not to push too hard? I don't know how good of a point this is, but I will include it for completeness' sake.
4. announcing intent to hammer Cuzz, but never does it (disclaimer: this can be explained by my "interruption" but still he never did hammer even when it became obvious that Cuzz was going to be lynched and not shraeye.
5. His post about Galz's four suspects I think has great potential. And I agree with his analysis. That Galz was likely to talk about one of his partners in that post... so that eliminates Cuzz and shraeye, leaving mcmc and Jimmm. I have already stated that mcmc isn't a great option for today... leaving Jimmm as the only one left from the foursome.
6. His increasing lurkiness as the game goes on. He has explained this as having a hard time doing rereads--yes they are hard, but I just did one in a relativly short amount of time and got a lot out of it--not having a lot of free time--this is valid, life is busy--had more to comment during the early game than now--I strongly question this, I mean there is sooooo much to talk about now, whereas day1 didn't have nearly as much--and that his former strong reads are dead--all of which were wrong, this sounds mean, but it is true... Scummy reads on Cuzz, shraeye, eevee, townie read on Galz... I dont' remember his read on raerae.
7. trying to paint robz/mcmc as certainly on the same team... I guess this isn't so much a reason for scumminess, but simply a disagreement on how to interpret the events...
So the question is do I think jimmm is scum? I think he very well could be. I would put him on the same level as glooble in terms of scuminess, maybe a little above and I will keep my vote on him.
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