Mcmc, I don't see why the nieghbor(s) should claim. it doesn't neccessarily help town more than scum. also say there are two other nieghbors: they might not know that each other are town.
This is exactly why I thought claiming would help, they cannot know there neighbor is town, in fact I think if one of the neighbors is town they should come out because raerae was town, her interaction with her neighbors haas to be of some help. It benefits scum to keep the contents of the qt a mystery, so if one of the members is town they should reveal this information, yes scum could come out, gain some town cred for doing so but it would still benefit town in the long run I believe. Also its not like the scum can trick us if there are two neighbors left, as I believe it is highly unlikely they are both scum.
I disagree with part of this, her interaction with her neighbors does not have to be of some help. It could just be information that is all publicly available (i.e. raerae already posted it), or it could be information which isn't relevant (i.e. she had a scum-read on Galzria after day1). It could be confused/muddled reads which aren't terribly valuable. You should already know from Blitz mafia, information from a confirmed town is useful but not incredibly so.
If there is one neighbor, then claiming "neighbor" is essentially equivalent to claiming VT. It's useless to town because it actually tells us nothing about their alignment and it's useful to scum because it helps them direct their NKs.
If there are 2 neighbors, then the neighbor-claim is only a little better than that because it's confirm-able as a role, but it still doesn't give any information about alignment and is thus relatively useless to town, while being useful to scum.
Like any other potential claiming situation, it's only worth it to give additional information to scum if the information being given to town is more valuable. i.e. if raerae had some ground-breaking reads, that would be given more credence having come from a confirmed town. So basically, if it would be worth it to claim IC aggressively, then it would be worth it to claim neighbor to give that read. BUT, even then it's only worth it if we have 2 neighbors because we can't confirm the alignment of a single neighbor and thus don't know if they're trying to direct town with false information or not.
So, it is clearly (at least to me) a bad idea for a lone neighbor to claim.
Is it worth outing two players who would then be known not to have any protective (i.e. doctor/roleblocker), investigative (i.e. cop), or otherwise generally considered powerful role, simply to get the information from a town-player with only the slightest bit more information than you had, but no more information than you now have? I'm dubious.
to sum up: It is my opinion that as in all role-claiming situations, neighbors mostly shouldn't claim. They should only claim if they feel like the information they have, when cast in the light of "coming from one of raerae's neighbors" would result in a scum-lynch, when it wouldn't result in such a lynch otherwise.
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