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[mcmcsalot]

Sorry guys, this has probably been my lowest activity for a game ever.  Reading along very sporadically and missing entire pages.  I get townie vibes from Mcmcsalot, and faust is also up there.  I don't get what is scummy about skumpy.  CJ still seems scummy to me and iguana has started looking townier.

Also, can we talk about how gkrieg gets towny vibes from mcmcsalot 1 minute after voting for him?

He's weak visiting me, not voting. Bolding is confusing

[mcmcsalot]

Until he changes his meta, I'm always up for an Awaclus lynch. It has to happen sooner or later anyway.

I'm kind done with the awaclus policy lynch, I really think I understand stockholm syndrome now and I'm much happier this way.

[Roadrunner7671]

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

[mcmcsalot]

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

But skumpy was all about that CJ wagon so why would he care to distract from it. Faust has said CJ is scummy a couple times but doesn't like not getting his way so hes gotta keep pushing his scum reads, very town!faust and not unhelpful. I see why you might "feel" that way but you should "think" about it.

[Roadrunner7671]

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

But skumpy was all about that CJ wagon so why would he care to distract from it. Faust has said CJ is scummy a couple times but doesn't like not getting his way so hes gotta keep pushing his scum reads, very town!faust and not unhelpful. I see why you might "feel" that way but you should "think" about it.

Because CJ is a scumbuddy of one of {Skumpy, Faust}

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: CJ

[mcmcsalot]

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

But skumpy was all about that CJ wagon so why would he care to distract from it. Faust has said CJ is scummy a couple times but doesn't like not getting his way so hes gotta keep pushing his scum reads, very town!faust and not unhelpful. I see why you might "feel" that way but you should "think" about it.

Because CJ is a scumbuddy of one of {Skumpy, Faust}

But they are both townie, skumpy started the cj wagon and faust was on iguana long before cj was ever suspected and the move to you was as much as he wants to disagree largely influenced by the first read.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote: CJ

L-1 why does nobody do these things anymore jeez people its not difficult and it's always helpful.

[Roadrunner7671]

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

But skumpy was all about that CJ wagon so why would he care to distract from it. Faust has said CJ is scummy a couple times but doesn't like not getting his way so hes gotta keep pushing his scum reads, very town!faust and not unhelpful. I see why you might "feel" that way but you should "think" about it.

Because CJ is a scumbuddy of one of {Skumpy, Faust}

But they are both townie, skumpy started the cj wagon and faust was on iguana long before cj was ever suspected and the move to you was as much as he wants to disagree largely influenced by the first read.

Skumpy started the CJ wagon to get town cred when we learn that CJ is mafia! And iguana is a town read of mine so faust doesn't really get credit for being on iguana long ago.

[mcmcsalot]

Skumpy started the CJ wagon to get town cred when we learn that CJ is mafia! And iguana is a town read of mine so faust doesn't really get credit for being on iguana long ago.

Alright i'll play, gimmie some scummy skumpy moments that don't include votes. Off with ye!

[Skumpy]

I don't really love skumpy's case on me. I haven't played with him all that much and I'm still getting back into the swing of things, so I think now is a particularly hard time to read me, especially if you're not used to !RR.

I could say the same to you. And I don't think anyone really loves cases against them.

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

But skumpy was all about that CJ wagon so why would he care to distract from it. Faust has said CJ is scummy a couple times but doesn't like not getting his way so hes gotta keep pushing his scum reads, very town!faust and not unhelpful. I see why you might "feel" that way but you should "think" about it.

Because CJ is a scumbuddy of one of {Skumpy, Faust}

Not gonna comment on the faust part of the theory, but that's straight up insane to think after half the people here were being absent-ish, town somehow managed to get 2 correct wagons. And I'm even thinking it's not much better to imagine town got one correct wagon, especially since the votes have all been going not my way.

I also feel like Faust (and maybe skumpy too) knows that my lynch is very unlikely to go through but it's easy to sidetrack people and engage them about RR, so it might just be a ploy to waste time and discuss more things that aren't really helpful to catching scum.

This is the pot calling the kettle black. If you're so concerned about wasting time, then don't get yourself prodded.

Sorry for being Grumpy Skumpy. Regardless of your alignment, it's frustrating.

[faust]

Until he changes his meta, I'm always up for an Awaclus lynch. It has to happen sooner or later anyway.

Cool. Vote: Awaclus

And with this i think I'm out for today. Might check in later, but don't count on it.

[mcmcsalot]

Until he changes his meta, I'm always up for an Awaclus lynch. It has to happen sooner or later anyway.

Cool. Vote: Awaclus

And with this i think I'm out for today. Might check in later, but don't count on it.

Really you can't check in in one hour to lynch CJ if we don't have the votes? I mean I'm not worried about getting the votes but ya know fo real?

[mcmcsalot]

Until he changes his meta, I'm always up for an Awaclus lynch. It has to happen sooner or later anyway.

Cool. Vote: Awaclus

And with this i think I'm out for today. Might check in later, but don't count on it.

Also mister "secondary wagons are helpful juuuuust kidding gonna make a null vote and peace out fam see ya tomorrow but not really cuz i'm a ded boi"

[theorel]

So, is scum avoiding the CJ wagon, because they don't want to get their hands dirty and CJ's town, or are they hoping that they can get away without him being lynched somehow?  I mean, if he's scum scum would have hammered for the cred right?

Or maybe they're just not around to try to do that?  I dunno, maybe I'm just getting cold feet.  I prefer being absent at deadlines...

[Skumpy]

So let's chit chat about the Cheesy Jelly.

I made that vote (which wasn't influenced by SS at all getting there first, keep in mind) based on the only tangible thing there was at the time - the incongruity between CJ voting faust then joining him on the Iguana wagon. I'd done my setup shpeal for as long as I could make it last with the three other people who were willing. That ended, time to make a non-RVS vote. I'm not persuasive or a good-decision maker when it comes to votes, so if other people are hopping on, that tells me it's more likely scum wants to join then people are actually swayed. Hence, the e vote. Which I'm still OK with. Because when you switch up the wagons last minute, scum doesn't get comfortable sitting on the same stuff for 50 hours. There's been

The other thing that concerns me is: if CJ is scum, then where are the other 3? Maybe another on me. One's probably bussing. And the fourth? In Haddock/faust? Another bus? I guess it's not crazy, but it's easier for me to believe scum's split pretty comfortably.

I mean, it's looking like CJ's getting lynched, especially with faust gone, but I have to throw out my thoughts before it happens. Is a no lynch bonkers crazy this game? How much info do we expect to get from night actions? Because if we're wrong, 8-4 is not a ratio I'm in love with.

[theorel]

Like at this moment it seems clear that absent some crazy scenario CJ is lynched by EOD.  So, what possible reason could scum have to not participate, right?  Unless they were not online since before mcmc's vote...at that point it was possible some other lynch could happen.  Why are we so spread out?  At some point town has to compromise and just make a lynch happen...
@mcmc: any thoughts?

[theorel]

I think with the amount of nk-blocking we potentially have available, that no-lynching is not ideal.  Yes parity was bad today, and will probably be bad tomorrow (unless we get a lucky commuter/doctor), but we could easily get an extra lynch by game's end.  But if we no-lynch then we need to have no-nk twice to get an extra lynch.

[Skumpy]

Like at this moment it seems clear that absent some crazy scenario CJ is lynched by EOD.  So, what possible reason could scum have to not participate, right?  Unless they were not online since before mcmc's vote...at that point it was possible some other lynch could happen.  Why are we so spread out?  At some point town has to compromise and just make a lynch happen...
@mcmc: any thoughts?

For the record, I'm allergic to hammers until it's absolutely required. And it's looking like it will be. No reason to waste an hour for discussion in the meantime, I'm around.

If CJ's not scum, then what makes you think scum's not already there. I'd be absolutely shocked if there's not at least one scum on my wagon, meaning in {RR, LL, Awaclus}. Speaking of which: if RR is so convinced by the CJ team, then why is he so unhappy about leaving me?

[mcmcsalot]

So, is scum avoiding the CJ wagon, because they don't want to get their hands dirty and CJ's town, or are they hoping that they can get away without him being lynched somehow?  I mean, if he's scum scum would have hammered for the cred right?

Or maybe they're just not around to try to do that?  I dunno, maybe I'm just getting cold feet.  I prefer being absent at deadlines...

I think it has to do with the assumed voters giving people some leway. Haddock stated he would vote to get a lynch and with skumpy being active and on cj for awhile it will probably go through so town players who dislike it can chill and scum can pretend to be that.

Remember we are dealing with:

Roadrunner7671 (2): faust, Skumpy - were still pushing this wagon safe to do these are active players who would I think make sure they didn't kill a lynch but leave opportunity for change.
Skumpy (3): Awaclus, LaLight, Roadrunner7671 - the opposing wagon, I think there is definitely at least one scum(lalight) maybe two no reason for them to leave, awaclus has been mia since before I arrived, lalight left earlier today and I would guess plans on missing deadline.
mcmcsalot (1): CheesyJelly - strange he's not on skumpy but regardless of alignment not voting for himself (if we are right about his scumminess not being on skumpy does suggest scum are just trying to no lynch)
Awaclus (0): (Faust) - really don't like the move to awaclus its unhelpful
Not Voting (1): Haddock - very scummy that he hasn't been more active with his thought, could easily be scum saying i'll vote X to get a lynch through and then fake a missed deadline.

[mcmcsalot]

I think with the amount of nk-blocking we potentially have available, that no-lynching is not ideal.  Yes parity was bad today, and will probably be bad tomorrow (unless we get a lucky commuter/doctor), but we could easily get an extra lynch by game's end.  But if we no-lynch then we need to have no-nk twice to get an extra lynch.

Thanks for running the number, I think we can expect at least on no kill night by games end between floor movement, doctoring and commuting. Also currently a weak visit is a totally worthwhile trade, so yea no lynch is bad.

[faust]

Until he changes his meta, I'm always up for an Awaclus lynch. It has to happen sooner or later anyway.

Cool. Vote: Awaclus

And with this i think I'm out for today. Might check in later, but don't count on it.

Also mister "secondary wagons are helpful juuuuust kidding gonna make a null vote and peace out fam see ya tomorrow but not really cuz i'm a ded boi"

7 people are voting Jelly. That means no other wagon can succeed without people abandoning Jelly. They have made clear that they won't switch to RR, so there's no point.

[theorel]

Yeah, I'm not asking why town hasn't lynched CJ...that's perfectly reasonable.  I'm asking why (if CJ is scum) hasn't scum hammered him?  Do they think that they've offered to hammer and can miss deadline to get a no lynch?  I mean I just have trouble imagining that situation actually happening...but I guess it could if all 3 scum were staying off, and faust was being belligerent town.  I mean if scum actually makes us lynch scum (i.e. doesn't bus) we only get 2 votes able to be elsewhere.
I just feel like it's unlikely at this point, but then there seem to only be 3 of us active atm...so we're also missing at least 7 town players, that aren't bothering to show up (or post) at end of day.

[mcmcsalot]

Until he changes his meta, I'm always up for an Awaclus lynch. It has to happen sooner or later anyway.

Cool. Vote: Awaclus

And with this i think I'm out for today. Might check in later, but don't count on it.

Also mister "secondary wagons are helpful juuuuust kidding gonna make a null vote and peace out fam see ya tomorrow but not really cuz i'm a ded boi"

7 people are voting Jelly. That means no other wagon can succeed without people abandoning Jelly. They have made clear that they won't switch to RR, so there's no point.

The people who don't want a Jelly lynch need to coordinate. If there is to be a serious alternative to that lynch, everyone not voting Jelly must be on the same wagon. And say what you will about whether or not Jelly is scummy, but it's always better for analysis if there's actually an alternative.

The other things that we can still call wagons are Skumpy and RR. Skumpy is not going to happen as Skumpy himself is off the Jelly wagon and will hardly self-vote. So, I present you the alternative: RR.

Unless anyone's up for the classic last-minute Awaclus lynch.

It's just strange for you to feel that way but also abandon your vote moments before day end. People rarely even do wagon analysis these days and quoting the final vote count will misrepresent what you have been pushing for the latter half of the day.

[theorel]

or 6 since faust is actually still here.