Welcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
Is scum wincon also public knowledge? It sounds from that vt role pm that there is one town survivor, and when he dies, the game is over. Am I inferring more than I should?
But shouldn't it read "all threats to the survivors? Just nitpicking, I guess
I'll keep an eye on this. I'm not a huge fan of RMM but I'll fill a spot here if it needs it.
kay. My bad, thenBut shouldn't it read "all threats to the survivors? Just nitpicking, I guess
No. (http://mistborn.wikia.com/wiki/Kelsier)
I'd love to join in if this starts on the ~22nd or later
/tag regardless
/in, just reread lotr and shakespeare and am up for some more.
There was a Shakespeare Mafia? Can we rerun it, but in metric?
Could I play if I haven't played forum mafia before?
/in if you'll have me, Ash.
(If push comes to shove, I could run it with 17. Strengthens scum a bit.)ohnnonononono we're gonna get all 18 please thank you
actually roll for the rolls if i'm scum orr not. if i'm scum lets start now.but then they'll lynch you
I'd rather wait for one more if it improves balance
I'd rather wait for one more if it improves balance
I'd rather wait for one more if it improves balance
I'd rather wait for one more if it improves balance
I'd rather wait for one more if it improves balance
I'd rather wait for one more if it improves balance
So... Vote: Xerxes?
I get lynched all the time.
vote: Faust
I get lynched all the time.
vote: Faust
Try being less scummy!
vote: e, the scum narrative is just too strong (very well played last game by the way)
Maybe I should do some sort of breadcrumbing.Do you know the flavor?
Does anyone feel somewhat creeped-out? (related to their role)
Maybe I should do some sort of breadcrumbing.
Does anyone feel somewhat creeped-out? (related to their role)
So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?Generally speaking, yes.
I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Don't know the flavor, so if someone says that Character X is scum because he was in the books/movies/fanfiction/porn series, I won't know.
I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Great, so now you're either PR or Mafia claiming subtly. I'll err on the side of PR since you're new.
unvote
That's exactly right!I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Great, so now you're either PR or Mafia claiming subtly. I'll err on the side of PR since you're new.
unvote
Be a man and actually keep your vote on him. This seems like a book with manly men who can vote for something and not immediately remove it before it's even had a chance to give the slightest feeling of pressure.
Be a man and actually keep your vote on him. This seems like a book with manly men who can vote for something and not immediately remove it before it's even had a chance to give the slightest feeling of pressure.
Just because it is an interesting word doesn't mean it has a cool meaning.I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Great, so now you're either PR or Mafia claiming subtly. I'll err on the side of PR since you're new.
unvote
Sounds like this is less stereotypical?Very much so. Sanderson is a brilliant author.
Sounds like this is less stereotypical?Very much so. Sanderson is a brilliant author.
Be a man and actually keep your vote on him. This seems like a book with manly men who can vote for something and not immediately remove it before it's even had a chance to give the slightest feeling of pressure.
This post is not meant to offend EFHW, who is lovely and much manlier than Seprix.
Can we stop claiming PRs on the first page? We shouldn't let that be worth towncred. Makes me want to
People who have played with him before: Has he breadcrumbed things before?
People who have played with him before: Has he breadcrumbed things before?
I don't think so. Then again, he has been lynched early fairly often, so changing his playstyle doesn't seem out of the question.
There was a game not too long ago where I fake breadcrumbed as scum, feeling very clever about it. It ended up not doing much, but now I want to check whether Xerxes was in that game.
People who have played with him before: Has he breadcrumbed things before?
I don't think so. Then again, he has been lynched early fairly often, so changing his playstyle doesn't seem out of the question.
There was a game not too long ago where I fake breadcrumbed as scum, feeling very clever about it. It ended up not doing much, but now I want to check whether Xerxes was in that game.
Vote: UOS
WoT is very good though on the slow side of things for sure
Just FYI: I now the flavor, though I had read the series around 2010 so it was quite some time ago. I am actually considering rereading would I not find something interesting
Vote: UOS
WoT is very good though on the slow side of things for sure
UoS is asking the right questions and saying the right stuff right now. As a policy, I am currently questioning your motives for voting for UoS. I know it's RVS, but come on, what's your rationale?
Just FYI: I now the flavor, though I had read the series around 2010 so it was quite some time ago. I am actually considering rereading would I not find something interesting
Okay, remember any sorts of weird races or peoples or something along those lines that may reveal potential PRs in case of lying?
Vote: UOS
WoT is very good though on the slow side of things for sure
UoS is asking the right questions and saying the right stuff right now. As a policy, I am currently questioning your motives for voting for UoS. I know it's RVS, but come on, what's your rationale?
Um? Seems like eager new player to me which is irrespective of alignment. Hating WoT is scummy though
Just FYI: I now the flavor, though I had read the series around 2010 so it was quite some time ago. I am actually considering rereading would I not find something interesting
Okay, remember any sorts of weird races or peoples or something along those lines that may reveal potential PRs in case of lying?
Kandra are shape shifters.Cool, but overdone.
Koloss are giant rage-fueled blue monsters that never stop growing.
Inquisitors are humans with steel spikes through their eyes.
I'm not going to lie re: WOT, I quit at about book 8 because it was dragging.
Aand suddenly my PM makes more sense now that I know "Survivor-aligned" is the Town flavor.
I was really confused.
Kandra are shape shifters.Cool, but overdone.QuoteKoloss are giant rage-fueled blue monsters that never stop growing.
That's pretty neat.QuoteInquisitors are humans with steel spikes through their eyes.
Uh... Pass the weed, I want some...?
Any non-book related thoughts, Mail-mi?
Any non-book related thoughts, Mail-mi?
Not really. You're wordy and towny-seeming as always, chairs' "townslip" could be real or faked.
Any non-book related thoughts, Mail-mi?
Not really. You're wordy and towny-seeming as always, chairs' "townslip" could be real or faked.
Aww, thanks :-*
I think chairs townslip is absolutely fake. I'm just not sure that's any less likely to come from town!chairs than scum!chairs.
Is scum wincon also public knowledge? It sounds from that vt role pm that there is one town survivor, and when he dies, the game is over. Am I inferring more than I should?
The Survivor is a character in the Mistborn universe. When it comes to alignments and win conditions, it's a stand-in for the world "Town" in this game.
You really think he planned this ahead of time as scum? Was this really a good idea for something to fabricate?
Looks like he's only gotten heat for it. Of course, that might not have been what was expected.
Hmm i'd put chairs on slight town right now.I'm right hydrad. Also, unvote my joke vote.
Hmm i'd put chairs on slight town right now.I'm with******** hydrad. Also, unvote my joke vote.
Hmm i'd put chairs on slight town right now.I'm right hydrad. Also, unvote my joke vote.
Also if someone town has any object that is metal that they may pierce through themselves (like earring) - just don't do it (or put it off if you already had one on). Never a good idea in Mistborn universe
That's different.Also if someone town has any object that is metal that they may pierce through themselves (like earring) - just don't do it (or put it off if you already had one on). Never a good idea in Mistborn universe
Is that what "burning" metal is? I've been on the Mistborn wiki and it wasn't really clear.
Is scum wincon also public knowledge? It sounds from that vt role pm that there is one town survivor, and when he dies, the game is over. Am I inferring more than I should?
The Survivor is a character in the Mistborn universe. When it comes to alignments and win conditions, it's a stand-in for the world "Town" in this game.
So did we all forget the bold mod-text? I don't buy it as a town-tell.
That's different.Also if someone town has any object that is metal that they may pierce through themselves (like earring) - just don't do it (or put it off if you already had one on). Never a good idea in Mistborn universe
Is that what "burning" metal is? I've been on the Mistborn wiki and it wasn't really clear.
In the Mistborn universe, there are special people that can swallow different types of metals and "burn" them--basically use them up in their stomach in order to use different abilities. There are a bunch of different abilities (like 16 depending on which ones you count). Mistborn have all of them and can "burn" all metals and consequently have all the abilities.
Then, there are other people (like steel inquisitors and others) that get power through metal spikes that pierce their bodies. However, there are some serious drawbacks to this. I don't want to spoil anything for people who haven't read the books though. So suffice it to say that having metal (not any metal, it has to be treated in a special fashion) stuck through any part of your body is generally really, really bad.
I haven't read anything - just letting you know I'm here. I didn't expect the game to start so quickly!
EFHW - I have quite a few on Facebook, if you want I can PM you data on friending me there (most of the Mafia regulars have me friended already).'k, thanks
Is this a first game for either of you?This is my first game!!
vote count please!yes please!
Now mafia-stuff.
I don't think town!chairs would fake a townslip. I can imagine scum!chairs maybe doing that. But there's always a couple people who didn't read the flavor, so I'm inclined to agree with whoever it was said that the accusers are more likely scum than the town-slipper. looking that up ... silverspawn!
re: XP, I saw that post as role-fishing, not bread-crumbing.
Completely disagree with Seprix that gkrieg revealed anything at all about his role. I also completely disagree with town players pointing out role-slips. Just compounds the damage.
I know nothing of the flavor, but might kindle it. I kick myself every day for not knowing the flavor in Dr. Who (which subsequently became my favorite show until I had them all practically memorized).
and please be forewarned that "I was just looking for reactions" will not count as any kind of explanation for me.
vote: Seprix
I don't think town!chairs would fake a townslip. I can imagine scum!chairs maybe doing that. But there's always a couple people who didn't read the flavor
I don't think town!chairs would fake a townslip. I can imagine scum!chairs maybe doing that. But there's always a couple people who didn't read the flavor
hah. I actually read neither the flavor nor the setup at this point... doing it now.
Welcome to Mistborn Mafia, a Role Madness Mafia (RMM) game by ashersky. Please read this post carefully before the game begins.
Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.
Umbrage - You're back! We were all so sad when you disappeared. You got MPV in Harry Potter, btw
We don't have to lynch chairs today, but I'm NOT making him an IC.
We don't have to lynch chairs today, but I'm NOT making him an IC.
You have probably never given out Day Passes before. They are amazing. You should try it sometime. It was my thing for a while there.
We don't have to lynch chairs today, but I'm NOT making him an IC.
You have probably never given out Day Passes before. They are amazing. You should try it sometime. It was my thing for a while there.
Day Passes are for the deserving.
Can we just get out of RVS please?
I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Great, so now you're either PR or Mafia claiming subtly. I'll err on the side of PR since you're new.
unvote
Be a man and actually keep your vote on him. This seems like a book with manly men who can vote for something and not immediately remove it before it's even had a chance to give the slightest feeling of pressure.
I agree with this.
EFHW's point about looking at people who fight town slips is good. I usually share that line of thinking.
EFHW's point about looking at people who fight town slips is good. I usually share that line of thinking.
Hi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.to an RVS "Process of elimination"?
PPE: 3
PPE: 3
Can someone tell me what this means?
We don't have to lynch chairs today, but I'm NOT making him an IC.
Also, lame. I mean, f.ds tradition clearly states that we do not lynch newbies D1. vote: hydrad
You have probably never given out Day Passes before. They are amazing. You should try it sometime. It was my thing for a while there.
Day Passes are for the deserving.
gratz on the day pass!
Since when did scum focus so much on pushing "slips"
I don't think Seprix is scummy because of it.We don't have to lynch chairs today, but I'm NOT making him an IC.
Also, lame. I mean, f.ds tradition clearly states that we do not lynch newbies D1. vote: hydrad
You have probably never given out Day Passes before. They are amazing. You should try it sometime. It was my thing for a while there.
Day Passes are for the deserving.
gratz on the day pass!
Since when did scum focus so much on pushing "slips"
I don't think Seprix is scummy because of it.We don't have to lynch chairs today, but I'm NOT making him an IC.
Also, lame. I mean, f.ds tradition clearly states that we do not lynch newbies D1. vote: hydrad
You have probably never given out Day Passes before. They are amazing. You should try it sometime. It was my thing for a while there.
Day Passes are for the deserving.
gratz on the day pass!
Uh....the rest of my post somehow disappeared. What I was going to say about the Hydrad quote:
totally lame day pass. f.ds tradition clearly states that we don't lynch newbies D1. Totally just trying to buddy me
vote: Hydrad
The XP breadcrumb thing is practically useless for anyone now (which I guess is sorta the point of posting it), but I am reminded of BM20 which, while bastard, also started withscum!XP making a similarly ominous commentthat was his partner
...wow I spent time looking for something that apparently doesn't exist. Whoops.
slight scum points from me regardless
and also slight scum points to Seprix and TA for... "taking this too seriously" isn't quite the right phrase but...
TA, responding withHi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.to an RVS "Process of elimination"?
Seprix, you're making far too big a deal out of the "slip" or whatever it is. I had to take a second to figure out what exactly my alignment was too, I'm sorry I didn't peruse the setup as soon as I received my PM
vote: Seprix
PPE: 3
And now to try to find some people I think are town
gkrieg13, hockeysemian - I've never played with you before, but I like your thinking gkrieg! Welcome to Mafia. Is this a first game for either of you?
QuoteWelcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
I love doing half-claims that are useful, and, now that I remember, I actually did something pretty similar in a game with Faust, where it made us both into ICs. I find it suspicious he didn't remember that.
vote: Faust
Re: Chairs. The thing I find most problematic about the "slip" is that he mentions "Suvivor-aligned". And yet the standard VT PM does not say that town is "Survivor-aligned". That's what makes it look bad in my opinion.QuoteWelcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
Good enough to vote: chairs
Re: Chairs. The thing I find most problematic about the "slip" is that he mentions "Suvivor-aligned". And yet the standard VT PM does not say that town is "Survivor-aligned". That's what makes it look bad in my opinion.QuoteWelcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
Good enough to vote: chairs
Regarding Chairs: Eh. Even if it was constructed, could very well be to get reactions from people.
Tentatively because I have something in my PM phrased the same way and chairs may too. It could be in the Mafia pm though.I have to agree with XP but I don't think that chairs is mafia.
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".Tentatively because I have something in my PM phrased the same way and chairs may too. It could be in the Mafia pm though.I have to agree with XP but I don't think that chairs is mafia.
Checking in:
Ghacob, why am I eliminated by PoE as town when I have literally said nothing about this game? (Literal use of "literal", by the way.)
TA, why is it okay for Faust to baseless PoE but not Ghacob?TA said nothing about mine and instead was still going on against faust for his firstpost RVSish thing
TA, why is it okay for Faust to baseless PoE but not Ghacob?
Checking in:
Ghacob, why am I eliminated by PoE as town when I have literally said nothing about this game? (Literal use of "literal", by the way.)TA, why is it okay for Faust to baseless PoE but not Ghacob?
I'm really going on TA, as I believe people are more likely to take things seriously(literally?) and try hard when they're scum, which is mirrored by the better scum I've played against (ashersky, e)
Re: Chairs. The thing I find most problematic about the "slip" is that he mentions "Suvivor-aligned". And yet the standard VT PM does not say that town is "Survivor-aligned". That's what makes it look bad in my opinion.QuoteWelcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
Good enough to vote: chairs
Re: Chairs. The thing I find most problematic about the "slip" is that he mentions "Suvivor-aligned". And yet the standard VT PM does not say that town is "Survivor-aligned". That's what makes it look bad in my opinion.QuoteWelcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
Good enough to vote: chairs
This is either a terrible way to reveal a PR role or you're scum and you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a very scummy post.
This is either a terrible way to reveal a PR role or you're scum and you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a very scummy post.
Hey, look at that! People agree with me! I need to make a habit of reading the rest of the thread before I post, but hey. Glad we all caught that.
vote: Faust
The standard VT letter by Ashersky does in fact use the phrase Survivor. This is where I'm puzzled. Faust doesn't know what the original Town Mail looks like at all.
The standard VT letter by Ashersky does in fact use the phrase Survivor. This is where I'm puzzled. Faust doesn't know what the original Town Mail looks like at all.
Yeah, but not survivor-ALIGNED and that was what chairs was using. We don't know how the PR-message looks like. If chairs is Town he's PR and he's too good too out that this early by mistake.
PPE:1
The XP breadcrumb thing is practically useless for anyone now (which I guess is sorta the point of posting it), but I am reminded of BM20 which, while bastard, also started withscum!XP making a similarly ominous commentthat was his partner
...wow I spent time looking for something that apparently doesn't exist. Whoops.
slight scum points from me regardless
and also slight scum points to Seprix and TA for... "taking this too seriously" isn't quite the right phrase but...
TA, responding withHi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.to an RVS "Process of elimination"?
Seprix, you're making far too big a deal out of the "slip" or whatever it is. I had to take a second to figure out what exactly my alignment was too, I'm sorry I didn't peruse the setup as soon as I received my PM
vote: Seprix
PPE: 3
And now to try to find some people I think are town
Sorry, i refuse to go along with eliminating 2/3 of the lynch pool before the game starts. it's silly.
null on chairs, townslip seems overblown to me, it reads like not paying attention chairs (which is true a lot -- no offense chairs) i guess this is usually town clueless chairs though.
not a lot else sticks out having read the thread.
happy to play with you too, efhw!
Well, I'm keeping my vote. chairs, you can take that as a compliment, as it means I don't think you would play this badly as town.
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".Tentatively because I have something in my PM phrased the same way and chairs may too. It could be in the Mafia pm though.I have to agree with XP but I don't think that chairs is mafia.
Then he outed himself as PR. Bad move. He might not be mafia, but could very well be scum of some sort..
Can we stop taking about [...] who is scum?
Can we stop taking about [...] who is scum?
Good idea, man :P
Actually, I like vote: xpNow that I look at it, that does seem weird...
Mentioning his pm as a defense of chairs then voting him? I could totally see 1 scum/1 town here and I think xp is more likely the scum
I love doing half-claims that are useful, and, now that I remember, I actually did something pretty similar in a game with Faust, where it made us both into ICs. I find it suspicious he didn't remember that.
vote: Faust
TA, why is it okay for Faust to baseless PoE but not Ghacob?
I thought he was listing his town reads and crossing off people he didnt have a townread on. so backwards poe
Checking in:
Ghacob, why am I eliminated by PoE as town when I have literally said nothing about this game? (Literal use of "literal", by the way.)TA, why is it okay for Faust to baseless PoE but not Ghacob?TA said nothing about mine and instead was still going on against faust for his firstpost RVSish thing
The PoE was more to help organize my own thoughts rather than to specifically make a point I guess?
That is to say getting crossed off is effectively a null, those not crossed off were those I found towny based on actions in game so far. No actions, null read
I'm really going on TA, as I believe people are more likely to take things seriously(literally?) and try hard when they're scum, which is mirrored by the better scum I've played against (ashersky, e)
PPE: 2 and then also the chairs fiasco gives more things to consider...
One nice thing about large towns is you can have multiple wagons are going at the same time.
One nice thing about large towns is you can have multiple wagons are going at the same time.
I do agree. Any explanation for what e is claiming?
One nice thing about large towns is you can have multiple wagons are going at the same time.
I do agree. Any explanation for what e is claiming?
I am not claiming anything. I am making inferences based on available evidence. And those inferences lead me to think xp is scum.
What makes you think that chairs' slip is scummier than xp's?
One nice thing about large towns is you can have multiple wagons are going at the same time.
I do agree. Any explanation for what e is claiming?
Basically, bringing up my PM is scummy?
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
If there's more explanation, I might be able to defend myself, but as-is it's just a statement not backed up.
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
Wait, just really noticed this. You are now claiming that your alignment and chairs alignment have nothing to do with each other? What are you, some sort of survivor to say that?
I mean, I could see this as me just misunderstanding what you were trying to say, but as it is written, you are saying you have a different alignment than chairs
Basically, bringing up my PM is scummy?
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
If there's more explanation, I might be able to defend myself, but as-is it's just a statement not backed up.
The way you brought it up, yes.
1) chairs claims a non-vt pm
2) you follow up saying your pm also includes language that you think might be the same as chairs. i.e. you have a non-vt pm
3) I am of the persuasion that chairs' "slip" and subsequent posts make him sound townie.
4) by claiming a PM similar to chairs you attempt to gain town cred with an eventual town!chairs flip
Then, accounting for the possibility of scim!chairs I said 1 scum/1 town. I don't think 2 scum will go around claiming similar PMs. I mean, 2 town is totally possible, but meh.
Actually, I like vote: xpNow that I look at it, that does seem weird...
Mentioning his pm as a defense of chairs then voting him? I could totally see 1 scum/1 town here and I think xp is more likely the scum
I am not persuaded yetthis feels very towny to me for Day one. Another person off my Lynch list.
I am not persuaded yetthis feels very towny to me for Day one. Another person off my Lynch list.
Okay, e's off my lynch list. Faust is still on. Lurkers need to start talking (finally that doesn't include me :))
vote: gkrieg13
It's weekend, it's a big game. Pushing lurkers atm is scummy..
Faust, who to I bribe to be a priori eliminated from the lynch pool on Day 1?
Also, what did Seprix do to get 5 votes? Not have his Mario avatar? That cat one is strange
I thought I even posted that I'd be practically unavailable! xD
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
Wait, just really noticed this. You are now claiming that your alignment and chairs alignment have nothing to do with each other? What are you, some sort of survivor to say that?
I mean, I could see this as me just misunderstanding what you were trying to say, but as it is written, you are saying you have a different alignment than chairs
Basically, bringing up my PM is scummy?
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
If there's more explanation, I might be able to defend myself, but as-is it's just a statement not backed up.
The way you brought it up, yes.
1) chairs claims a non-vt pm
2) you follow up saying your pm also includes language that you think might be the same as chairs. i.e. you have a non-vt pm
3) I am of the persuasion that chairs' "slip" and subsequent posts make him sound townie.
4) by claiming a PM similar to chairs you attempt to gain town cred with an eventual town!chairs flip
Then, accounting for the possibility of scim!chairs I said 1 scum/1 town. I don't think 2 scum will go around claiming similar PMs. I mean, 2 town is totally possible, but meh.
Thanks for explaining. I don't think I can really defend myself much, except to point out that that's not really my style as scum, which is kind of vague.
vote: Seprix
Now is when scum jumps on the [seprix] wagon.
I feel like XP and chairs are both town at this point. I don't understand the vote for me though. Both because it's against tradition to lynch me and because I don't understand what I've done that is scummy. I also feel like I don't have enough information yet to figure anything out. That's why I haven't been posting. Didn't feel like I could add anything yet.
vote: Seprix
Now is when scum jumps on the wagon.
Happy Evil Empire Day!
I've got a couple hours of internet here today.
Happy Evil Empire Day!
I've got a couple hours of internet here today.
In the words of WanderingWinder, "Why do you hate America?"
Happy Evil Empire Day!
I've got a couple hours of internet here today.
In the words of WanderingWinder, "Why do you hate America?"
Because I'm paying attention.
Happy Evil Empire Day!
I've got a couple hours of internet here today.
In the words of WanderingWinder, "Why do you hate America?"
Because I'm paying attention.
Man, you can not like the actions of a country and still be proud for what it stands for. Besides, America isn't that bad. Do you really think every other country would be any better if they were in our shoes? No, they wouldn't. That's human nature.
Regarding passes, here's my willing to lynch list today:Since I had to take a second to understand meaning, let me translate this to your apparent lynch pool:1. mail-miAlways Lurky Pass2. Ichimaru GinEmotional Pass4. EgorKSympathy Pass5. 2.7Likes giving passes pass7. HydradAlways Scummy Pass9. ChairsTownsilp Pass11. hockeysemianNew Player Pass12. SeprixAlways Scummy Pass13. TwistedArcherSympathy Pass14. XerxesPraelorEarly Wagon Pass15. gkrieg13Against Tradition16. EFHWPass for giving me an award17. UmbrageOfSnowPass for being myself.
What are the odds I've got more scum having a pass than not having one? Pretty damn high.
And scum can pick and choose what sort of nonsense they most want to press giving passes for to reduce the odds of lynching scum day 1.
Passes are silly, let's lynch scum instead.
Faust's pointing out of the VT PM accomplished more sorting-the-VTs-from-the-PRs interactions than anything the rest of this stupid breadcrumbing/claiming VT/claiming PR nonsense did.
Vote: Faust
Since I had to take a second to understand meaning, let me translate this to your apparent lynch pool:
3. Witherweaver
6. silverspawn
8. Faust
10. Ghacob
...Upon further reading I have realized that your post was not serious.
Faust's pointing out of the VT PM accomplished more sorting-the-VTs-from-the-PRs interactions than anything the rest of this stupid breadcrumbing/claiming VT/claiming PR nonsense did.
Vote: Faust
Faust's pointing out of the VT PM accomplished more sorting-the-VTs-from-the-PRs interactions than anything the rest of this stupid breadcrumbing/claiming VT/claiming PR nonsense did.
Vote: Faust
Eh. I tried to figure out chairs' alignment. I found something supicious and posted it. What do you propose I should have done?
Faust's pointing out of the VT PM accomplished more sorting-the-VTs-from-the-PRs interactions than anything the rest of this stupid breadcrumbing/claiming VT/claiming PR nonsense did.
Vote: Faust
Eh. I tried to figure out chairs' alignment. I found something supicious and posted it. What do you propose I should have done?
If you had asked about the wording of the PR PMs you'd have came to the same result while generating fewer reactions from town. Maybe you didn't think it through enough, this isn't some super case. But it definitely achieves more for scum than town. As town you only had to out yourself since we already had claimed PRs.
We had a page 1 PR claim. You could have explicitly asked him how the PR PM was phrased regarding "Survivor-aligned". You'd still have outed yourself as not-PR, which you were doing anyway. But you'd have avoided getting any reactions from anyone else.
Town would want to avoid getting role-indicative reactions from town. Scum would want to get them.
You did something very pro-scum here.
I'm with UoS on this one and it's good enough for an early day 1 vote: Faust
I think Xerxes is townier now. e has left a scummy impression on me though.
I think Xerxes is townier now. e has left a scummy impression on me though.
Can you elaborate on either/both of these thoughts? Is there more than just they are probably on different sides given the pressure e is putting on XP?
I think Xerxes is townier now. e has left a scummy impression on me though.
Can you elaborate on either/both of these thoughts? Is there more than just they are probably on different sides given the pressure e is putting on XP?
Xerxes feels towny, I don't know why, call it gut read. I don't like e's case on Xerxes; it looks like a fake case.
if you can figure out what triggers your gut-read then we would have something to think about. "Gut-read" is often something scum says to avoid giving explanations. On the other hand, I have had gut reads that were right, but not being able to explain them made me unable to convince others.
This hasn't felt like a big game yet - hopefully after the holiday we will hear from our quieter players. It's great that we have a bunch of active players, but it can have the effect of the talkers both carrying the game and being the ones lynched, and the absence of the others isn't noticed b/c so many people are talking. Makes it nice and easy to hide as scum, at least at the beginning.
Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day..
Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day..
That's not a good attitude, you know.
Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day..
That's not a good attitude, you know.
How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?
Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day..
That's not a good attitude, you know.
How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?
I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.
Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day..
That's not a good attitude, you know.
How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?
I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.
Stand by it. D1 that is. This big game, wagons scares noone unless they catch up to L1-big. It isn't scummy want to make it happen..
Seriously, I don't read chairs move as so very scummy, it just the best we have. I would like to have him L-1 to see what happens, but if someone else is closer I'm willing to change my vote just to push a wagon. D1 isn't my favorite-day..
That's not a good attitude, you know.
How so? I don't say D1 isn't important. Just not so important you can judge semi-lurkers right now. Is D1 anyones favorite day?
I mean the "uh, I'll just jump on any wagon that pops up" attitude.
Stand by it. D1 that is. This big game, wagons scares noone unless they catch up to L1-big. It isn't scummy want to make it happen..
It's scummy to not take responsibility for your votes.
that makes it a bit better. So then you have some restriction on who your voting for. But I do agree with faust in how thats hard for us if you would just not care who you voted at all. That means we aren't able to see if your could be townier or scummier from votes and makes it so that your not commiting on anything really. Which is generally what scum wouldn't mind if they could get away with that without being called scummy.
if the crowd pushes someone obv!town (like grierk)
if the crowd pushes someone obv!town (like grierk)please, explain to me why grierk is obv!town. I find scummier than anyone else atm.
Ichi can often be gone for a while so it's not a tell on him.. It's early in D1 and we are still having a RVS-feeling to it all.Hey! I used to be one of the most active players. But yeah, lately I have very little time :(. I should be back to about my regular level starting around the end of the month.
This hasn't felt like a big game yet - hopefully after the holiday we will hear from our quieter players. It's great that we have a bunch of active players, but it can have the effect of the talkers both carrying the game and being the ones lynched, and the absence of the others isn't noticed b/c so many people are talking. Makes it nice and easy to hide as scum, at least at the beginning.EFHW talking the sense. I feel like it's hard to get lurkers lynched these days. For multiple reasons, but I always hear "that lynch doesn't give us information"--which is often the case unfortunately.
I like how my name has changed 2 times already gkrieg -> gkreig -> grierk. I would like to know why I appear scummy though.
I don't get it.I like how my name has changed 2 times already gkrieg -> gkreig -> grierk. I would like to know why I appear scummy though.
Probably your toeing the line of PR, Greek.
So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
This hasn't felt like a big game yet - hopefully after the holiday we will hear from our quieter players. It's great that we have a bunch of active players, but it can have the effect of the talkers both carrying the game and being the ones lynched, and the absence of the others isn't noticed b/c so many people are talking. Makes it nice and easy to hide as scum, at least at the beginning.
Have we someone really quiet exept Ichi though? I feel like everyone has introduced themselves fairly enough to not be lurkers per say. I can't read anyone scummy because they have been quiet, Ichi can often be gone for a while so it's not a tell on him.. It's early in D1 and we are still having a RVS-feeling to it all.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Why aren't more people on the gkrieg wagon?
Why aren't more people on the gkrieg wagon?
Why aren't more people on the gkrieg wagon?
Why should we? Because he claimed a passive role?
This is where I'm confused. I have a passive role. I thought that having actions meant you were PR. Is that not true? Or is a PR anything that isn't VT?Why aren't more people on the gkrieg wagon?
Why should we? Because he claimed a passive role?
is a passive role not a PR?
it seems to me like he just got confused with the terminology.
This is where I'm confused. I have a passive role. I thought that having actions meant you were PR. Is that not true? Or is a PR anything that isn't VT?Why aren't more people on the gkrieg wagon?
Why should we? Because he claimed a passive role?
is a passive role not a PR?
it seems to me like he just got confused with the terminology.
Anybody who is not a VT is a PR. And in this game, almost everyone will be a PR since is is RMM. The only reason VTs exist in the setup is because we were explicitly told that they exist. Otherwise the assumption is that everyone has a role
So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Just because it is an interesting word doesn't mean it has a cool meaning.I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Great, so now you're either PR or Mafia claiming subtly. I'll err on the side of PR since you're new.
unvote
So who has read the series?
I would vote chairs if I had not had the same problem, looked up what survivor meant on the wiki, and then PMd the mod to ask what it meant.
If the main character of the books is female, then EFHW must be town :D
Is this a first game for either of you?This is my first game!!vote count please!yes please!
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".Tentatively because I have something in my PM phrased the same way and chairs may too. It could be in the Mafia pm though.I have to agree with XP but I don't think that chairs is mafia.
Actually, I like vote: xpNow that I look at it, that does seem weird...
Mentioning his pm as a defense of chairs then voting him? I could totally see 1 scum/1 town here and I think xp is more likely the scum
So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
Day 1 ends on July 9 at 1:00 a.m. forum time.
| 1. mail-mi 2. Ichimaru Gin 3. Witherweaver 4. EgorK 5. 2.7 6. silverspawn 7. Hydrad 8. Faust 9. Chairs 10. Ghacob 11. hockeysemian 12. Seprix 13. TwistedArcher 14. XerxesPraelor 15. gkrieg13 16. EFHW 17. UmbrageOfSnow | 8 16 10 10 25 15 8 24 17 9 17 35 8 24 17 14 25 |
Okay, e's off my lynch list. Faust is still on. Lurkers need to start talking (finally that doesn't include me :))
vote: gkrieg13
Okay, e's off my lynch list. Faust is still on. Lurkers need to start talking (finally that doesn't include me :))
vote: gkrieg13
Remember, we talked about this in the scum qt?
I don't think that actually says anything about either alignment, but it is a notable post if either of them do flip scum
I am new so I'm sorry if that is causing some problems. I've only read through 2 other games of RMM forum mafia and it seemed like the first days were more eventful than this one has been so far. More discussion about what people's roles were and stuff like that.
Okay, e's off my lynch list. Faust is still on. Lurkers need to start talking (finally that doesn't include me :))
vote: gkrieg13
Remember, we talked about this in the scum qt?
I don't think that actually says anything about either alignment, but it is a notable post if either of them do flip scum
I think it's fine if he's scum too, that way we win more easily :))I am new so I'm sorry if that is causing some problems. I've only read through 2 other games of RMM forum mafia and it seemed like the first days were more eventful than this one has been so far. More discussion about what people's roles were and stuff like that.
don't worry... it's fine. if you're town. it's not fine if you're scum :P
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Okay, e's off my lynch list. Faust is still on. Lurkers need to start talking (finally that doesn't include me :))
vote: gkrieg13
Remember, we talked about this in the scum qt?
I don't think that actually says anything about either alignment, but it is a notable post if either of them do flip scum
The point being, why target gkrieg as a lurker? Because there were like 6 other people who were lower posters than him at the time. This could either be telling his partners (not gkrieg) to post more, it could just be LALL, or it might even be that they are partners.
Again, nothing concrete, but for D1....? I like XP
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.gkrieg may very well be scum.
vote: XP. 1. gkrieg is not a lurker, but that's why he is voting him 2. the people going along with him are two of the sheepiest and Seprix, who I'm on the fence about, and who came off the XP wagon to vote with XP. 3. Wagon-shopping. He's been jumping around his vote, despite saying you should stick with one person. 4. Bringing up roles. I think role-fishing does happen.
actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
Meh. I only refered to his D1-pass. All new players are obv!town the first day. gkrieg just manage to act very scummy despite of that, but frankly I think he do it by mistake more than anything else.
Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 pass
I find it quite suspicious that some of my top D1 scum reads are so willing to lynch the newbie
Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 pass
I find it quite suspicious that some of my top D1 scum reads are so willing to lynch the newbie
vote: XP. 1. gkrieg is not a lurker, but that's why he is voting him 2. the people going along with him are two of the sheepiest and Seprix, who I'm on the fence about, and who came off the XP wagon to vote with XP. 3. Wagon-shopping. He's been jumping around his vote, despite saying you should stick with one person. 4. Bringing up roles. I think role-fishing does happen.
actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
Meh. I only refered to his D1-pass. All new players are obv!town the first day. gkrieg just manage to act very scummy despite of that, but frankly I think he do it by mistake more than anything else.
You're wasting your vote silver.
actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
Meh. I only refered to his D1-pass. All new players are obv!town the first day. gkrieg just manage to act very scummy despite of that, but frankly I think he do it by mistake more than anything else.
You're wasting your vote silver.
vote: hockey vote: hockey vote: hockey
Am I the only one who finds this vote super scummy? not commital overexplained and overly concerned.
Vote: e
vote: XP. 1. gkrieg is not a lurker, but that's why he is voting him 2. the people going along with him are two of the sheepiest and Seprix, who I'm on the fence about, and who came off the XP wagon to vote with XP. 3. Wagon-shopping. He's been jumping around his vote, despite saying you should stick with one person. 4. Bringing up roles. I think role-fishing does happen.
ditto for point #2 here. scumpoints for non scummy things.
Again, after much deliberation about staying with my XP vote, I think it's much more important to lynch Gkreig than XP now I think, based off of overall scumminess. I can be persuaded otherwise however.
vote: gkraig13
vote: XP. 1. gkrieg is not a lurker, but that's why he is voting him 2. the people going along with him are two of the sheepiest and Seprix, who I'm on the fence about, and who came off the XP wagon to vote with XP. 3. Wagon-shopping. He's been jumping around his vote, despite saying you should stick with one person. 4. Bringing up roles. I think role-fishing does happen.
ditto for point #2 here. scumpoints for non scummy things.
I was referring to this quote:Again, after much deliberation about staying with my XP vote, I think it's much more important to lynch Gkreig than XP now I think, based off of overall scumminess. I can be persuaded otherwise however.
vote: gkraig13
It felt like a studied withdrawal from the XP wagon, like he was doing light bussing to obscure a partnership and then followed his lead re: who to vote for. You could argue I should be voting Seprix then, and I may. I haven't had a chunk of free time lately to reread him yet.
Vote: e
did you ever explain this?
I don't think advertising noobiness is a necessarily a scum trait. I mean, this is his first game here. And he said he has never played forum mafia.
I can totally see someone coming out of the gate a little shaky and asking about stuff concerning their power. Had he had N0 to talk to people....some of those questions might have been answered and he could have already posted hisSo during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
there in the scum qt. I mean, it would be rather devious of him as scum to post this. He is fairly confident in the "tradition" of not lynching noobies. I mean, it is a very interesting play.
PPE: what silver just posted
actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
but yeah, I am not going obv!town on gkrieg.
Why is gkrieg scummy again? Everyone talks about this as if it was a given, yet I have yet to read an explanation of how he is scummy.
Why is gkrieg scummy again? Everyone talks about this as if it was a given, yet I have yet to read an explanation of how he is scummy.
This is hilarious.
Gkrieg is scummy because he was discussing his PR roles in relation to others in incredibly scummy ways.
Why is gkrieg scummy again? Everyone talks about this as if it was a given, yet I have yet to read an explanation of how he is scummy.
This is hilarious.
Gkrieg is scummy because he was discussing his PR roles in relation to others in incredibly scummy ways.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
This was bad.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
This was bad.
Can you PLEASE stop making blanket statements and actually explain why you think this indicates that gkrieg is scum?
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
This was bad.
Can you PLEASE stop making blanket statements and actually explain why you think this indicates that gkrieg is scum?
Read from the beginning of Page 14 down.
Vote: e
did you ever explain this?
I had a scum read on e before, as I said. Then he had these two posts:I don't think advertising noobiness is a necessarily a scum trait. I mean, this is his first game here. And he said he has never played forum mafia.
I can totally see someone coming out of the gate a little shaky and asking about stuff concerning their power. Had he had N0 to talk to people....some of those questions might have been answered and he could have already posted hisSo during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
there in the scum qt. I mean, it would be rather devious of him as scum to post this. He is fairly confident in the "tradition" of not lynching noobies. I mean, it is a very interesting play.
PPE: what silver just postedactually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
but yeah, I am not going obv!town on gkrieg.
which use quite a lot of words for saying basically nothing. That fits with his general play style here: Blending in, being reasonably active without actually contributing a lot to the discussion. I don't like it.
Vote: e
did you ever explain this?
I had a scum read on e before, as I said. Then he had these two posts:I don't think advertising noobiness is a necessarily a scum trait. I mean, this is his first game here. And he said he has never played forum mafia.
I can totally see someone coming out of the gate a little shaky and asking about stuff concerning their power. Had he had N0 to talk to people....some of those questions might have been answered and he could have already posted hisSo during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
there in the scum qt. I mean, it would be rather devious of him as scum to post this. He is fairly confident in the "tradition" of not lynching noobies. I mean, it is a very interesting play.
PPE: what silver just postedactually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
but yeah, I am not going obv!town on gkrieg.
which use quite a lot of words for saying basically nothing. That fits with his general play style here: Blending in, being reasonably active without actually contributing a lot to the discussion. I don't like it.
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 pass
I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
This was bad.
Can you PLEASE stop making blanket statements and actually explain why you think this indicates that gkrieg is scum?
Read from the beginning of Page 14 down.
I did. I found no explanation from you, which is what I'm looking for.
#Seprix!Scum #DodgingQuestions #TotallyNotBusyWithWork
I still think hockey continues to be scummy. But this is scummy too:Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 passI'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
- inconsistent
- disingenuous town read (call this one a gut reaction)
- empathizing that it's not just for policy... okay, this could be a town thing, but I generally think doing things for blatant policy is a towny thing to do for newer players and a scummy or neutral thing for experienced players
- overexplaining votes
#Seprix!Scum #DodgingQuestions #TotallyNotBusyWithWork
there are so many scummy people this game...
I haven't read anything - just letting you know I'm here. I didn't expect the game to start so quickly!
vote: EFHW because I never tunneled you before
And please don't discourage people from explaining their votes, I don't want to be in a game full of Awaclusses.
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
It is weird to refer to your own play as tunnelling. Tunnel vision is a bad thing, because it's based on confirmation bias, and you claim you're doing it deliberately?
I already said I think Xerxes is town, I don't know what else you expect.
And can you talk about how your read on Chairs changed through those few pages, please?
And can you talk about how your read on Chairs changed through those few pages, please?
ahm... well you might not like this, but I actually never really thought it was fabricated. I just liked to accuse him of that in this moment and see what happens.
I think it's slight town poinz
And can you talk about how your read on Chairs changed through those few pages, please?
ahm... well you might not like this, but I actually never really thought it was fabricated. I just liked to accuse him of that in this moment and see what happens.
I think it's slight town poinz
And can you talk about how your read on Chairs changed through those few pages, please?
ahm... well you might not like this, but I actually never really thought it was fabricated. I just liked to accuse him of that in this moment and see what happens.
I think it's slight town poinz
Okay, but that vote was accomplishing something in generating reads. Why the move to EFHW with an RVS vote when we were moving out of RVS? Why not leave your vote, or come up with another fictional position to get reads from?
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
vote: 2.7. I don't like the tone this game is starting to develop - lots of gratuitous accusing that does nothing to actually help the game. And OMGUS here - faust's vote seems well justified - whether or not you agree with it, his narrative makes sense. Prove him wrong if he is mistaken.
I didn't have a strategic plan behind my EFHW vote.
He also votes Seprix (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507216#msg507216) because of the timing of when Seprix jumped on the XP wagon (4th vote). Which I think is scummy of him.
Oh, and Faust, as no one got modkilled over the actual discussion of PMs we had in this game, why do you think XP or any of the other claimed PRs would have been modkilled for mentioning the same phrasing?
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
And please don't discourage people from explaining their votes, I don't want to be in a game full of Awaclusses.
okay, but he has zero votes on him. explaining votes is fine and all if it's warranted, but just doing it early like that gives me the scum feelzes.
I didn't have a strategic plan behind my EFHW vote.
Okay, but you did have a strategic plan behind your chairs vote. And you only gave it 4 hours before switching to a non-strategic vote instead. Why the switch at all, rather than giving the non-random thing more time?
It is weird to refer to your own play as tunnelling. Tunnel vision is a bad thing, because it's based on confirmation bias, and you claim you're doing it deliberately?
I already said I think Xerxes is town, I don't know what else you expect.
Oh, and Faust, as no one got modkilled over the actual discussion of PMs we had in this game, why do you think XP or any of the other claimed PRs would have been modkilled for mentioning the same phrasing?3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
It is weird to refer to your own play as tunnelling. Tunnel vision is a bad thing, because it's based on confirmation bias, and you claim you're doing it deliberately?
I already said I think Xerxes is town, I don't know what else you expect.
I did not say I have tunnel vision. I am tunneling. Tunneling is not a bad thing for town. It puts pressure on players, it makes people take a stand, and it generates discussion.
Tunnel vision is bad. There have been multiple occasions in previous games where I have been "tunneling" a person, reread him, then realized my case was crap. And changed. Reading someone for a scum narrative is a good thing, in my opinion, because then if you don't find one...well...you are all of a sudden pretty confident that they are town.
it wasn't... ... an intellectual ... ... ... decision ... I don't know ... ... why I voted ... for EFHW ... there ... I do ... weird things... sometimes ... ... ... ... especially as town ... like this post ... qwerty
But theory talk aside, why do you keep coming back to the modkill argument. What you actually did didn't generate any modkills (nor would anyone expect it to). But you've responded with the modkill thing 3 times now. And not engaged much on what I'm actually suggesting you should have done. Why the focus on the modkill thing?
I have no idea what you mean but I'm sure the answer is no.it wasn't... ... an intellectual ... ... ... decision ... I don't know ... ... why I voted ... for EFHW ... there ... I do ... weird things... sometimes ... ... ... ... especially as town ... like this post ... qwerty(...)horse(...)
I have no idea what you mean but I'm sure the answer is no.it wasn't... ... an intellectual ... ... ... decision ... I don't know ... ... why I voted ... for EFHW ... there ... I do ... weird things... sometimes ... ... ... ... especially as town ... like this post ... qwerty(...)horse(...)
But theory talk aside, why do you keep coming back to the modkill argument. What you actually did didn't generate any modkills (nor would anyone expect it to). But you've responded with the modkill thing 3 times now. And not engaged much on what I'm actually suggesting you should have done. Why the focus on the modkill thing?
You said I should have done something differently. I asked how, you made a suggestion, I pointed out that your suggestion may have led other, less experienced players to violate said rule and risk a modkill. I don't know what else you want to hear.
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
It is weird to refer to your own play as tunnelling. Tunnel vision is a bad thing, because it's based on confirmation bias, and you claim you're doing it deliberately?
I already said I think Xerxes is town, I don't know what else you expect.
I did not say I have tunnel vision. I am tunneling. Tunneling is not a bad thing for town. It puts pressure on players, it makes people take a stand, and it generates discussion.
Tunnel vision is bad. There have been multiple occasions in previous games where I have been "tunneling" a person, reread him, then realized my case was crap. And changed. Reading someone for a scum narrative is a good thing, in my opinion, because then if you don't find one...well...you are all of a sudden pretty confident that they are town.
Does this suggest that you don't actually think XP is as scummy as you're making him out to be?
But theory talk aside, why do you keep coming back to the modkill argument. What you actually did didn't generate any modkills (nor would anyone expect it to). But you've responded with the modkill thing 3 times now. And not engaged much on what I'm actually suggesting you should have done. Why the focus on the modkill thing?
You said I should have done something differently. I asked how, you made a suggestion, I pointed out that your suggestion may have led other, less experienced players to violate said rule and risk a modkill. I don't know what else you want to hear.
It's mostly me trying to get inside your head. I don't like the defensive/accusatory tone toward me and Mail-mi that you not revealing a bunch of VTs and PRs to scum would have gotten someone modkilled so we are bad for suggesting it.
It doesn't come off to me as "oops" so much as "stop pushing this".
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I have no idea what you mean but I'm sure the answer is no.it wasn't... ... an intellectual ... ... ... decision ... I don't know ... ... why I voted ... for EFHW ... there ... I do ... weird things... sometimes ... ... ... ... especially as town ... like this post ... qwerty(...)horse(...)
I'm pretty sure ponies are small horses.
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Also, keep in mind. We only have about 2 days left of D1
Well, yeah, stop pushing this. Every question I answer for you makes it a balancing act for me not to reveal anything about my role, and there's very little benefit to it.
Like the next post after Mail-mi sheeps me on this, you feel the need to claim not-rolefishing would have got you or someone else modkilled again.
Anyone else want to join me on Faust?
Well, was there any game as of late where part about alignment were differently formulated for player of the same alignment? Especcialy from ash?
Why chairs getting off such easily?
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".
"A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
"A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
please. there are ponies and there are ponies. these are as different as graphs and graphs are for mathematicians and informatics. and if it's used in context with me, it's clear which of the two is meant, otherwise it's just needlessly confusing.
So your type of ponies are not ponies?
(not that I engage in such mundane things, but just sayin')
Regarding what sentient beings in this game are up to, are you actually townreading Faust, or just unwilling to lynch him Day 1 on policy?
If you're townreading him, what do you think the reason he reacted the way he did is?Well, let's see.
Re: Chairs. The thing I find most problematic about the "slip" is that he mentions "Suvivor-aligned". And yet the standard VT PM does not say that town is "Survivor-aligned". That's what makes it look bad in my opinion.this makes a lot of sense
We had a page 1 PR claim. You could have explicitly asked him how the PR PM was phrased regarding "Survivor-aligned". You'd still have outed yourself as not-PR, which you were doing anyway. But you'd have avoided getting any reactions from anyone else.
Town would want to avoid getting role-indicative reactions from town. Scum would want to get them.
You did something very pro-scum here.
I think answering such a question would violate game rules and potentially result in the player answering this being modkilled. Doesn't sound very pro-town to me.
Oh, and Faust, as no one got modkilled over the actual discussion of PMs we had in this game, why do you think XP or any of the other claimed PRs would have been modkilled for mentioning the same phrasing?
I still think hockey continues to be scummy. But this is scummy too:Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 passI'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
- inconsistent
- disingenuous town read (call this one a gut reaction)
- empathizing that it's not just for policy... okay, this could be a town thing, but I generally think doing things for blatant policy is a towny thing to do for newer players and a scummy or neutral thing for experienced players
- overexplaining votes
I still think hockey continues to be scummy. But this is scummy too:Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 passI'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
- inconsistent
- disingenuous town read (call this one a gut reaction)
- empathizing that it's not just for policy... okay, this could be a town thing, but I generally think doing things for blatant policy is a towny thing to do for newer players and a scummy or neutral thing for experienced players
- overexplaining votes
This is a weak case. I read his post as how town!ghacob were in hearthstone and scumreading people based on their stye is.. well, it's not very good. This isn't scumhunting from your side, it's scumpainting. Your case on me is, I don't know, it's also totally uncalled for anyhow..
And how convenient, both your targets- me and Ghacob- are fairly new players so you can mess with us how much you like without anyone else really noticing anything. Mesh. You're the one who's scummy here..
Although, Staying with my vote on chairs however because of that picture >:(
You're the one who's scummy here..
Although, Staying with my vote on chairs however because of that picture >:(
can mess with us
To be honest I probably would have played better if I had been scum because I would have been able to ask them all of my questions privately instead of having to ask everyone as a whole.
Quotecan mess with us
what does that even mean
#169 Chairs votes Seprix, #172 Seprix calls Chairs scum -- NOTE to self -- see if Seprix had an opinion on Chairs before the vote. Seprix continues on Chairs in #175 and #184. What was the initial reaction to the 'townslip'? (#184 says it "reeks of intentionality")
#167 SS votes Seprix for being jokey and easy to fabricate posts. I too find Seprix scummy up to this point, but I don't agree with the first point and only partially the second. NOTE -- ask Silverspawn for more clarification on what posts are "easy to fabricate"
#242- 245 More catchup from WW. NOTE to self -- ask WW for more concrete reads before day is over.
#271 Weird post by gkrieg that gives me weird vibes. Also contradicts #239??? NOTE to self -- look at this. SS agrees this is weird
Actually, I like vote: xpNow that I look at it, that does seem weird...
Mentioning his pm as a defense of chairs then voting him? I could totally see 1 scum/1 town here and I think xp is more likely the scum
I feel like XP and chairs are both town at this point. I don't understand the vote for me though. Both because it's against tradition to lynch me and because I don't understand what I've done that is scummy. I also feel like I don't have enough information yet to figure anything out. That's why I haven't been posting. Didn't feel like I could add anything yet.
#438 UoS' reads on leading wagons. Definitely leaning XP over Gkrieg NOTE -- ask why, he doesn't explain.
#287 UoS votes Faust for pushing PR/VT discussion. Second time he's voted for setup stuff. Seems to be scumhunting based on setup, not on reads. NOTE to self -- lookback and see where he's had actual reads.
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#438 UoS' reads on leading wagons. Definitely leaning XP over Gkrieg NOTE -- ask why, he doesn't explain.
UoS, why XP over Gkrieg?
I tentatively agree. vote: chairsXP votes chairs, sheeping Faust's pointing out of the survivor aligned phrasing. Immediately after this (1 minute) XP explains that the "tentatively" is because his PR PM is worded similarly, but it could also be in the scum PM. If XP is town, he should be one of the first to notice this and not sheep it, since he's clearly already thought about it when he votes.
Possibly silly question: is there something about my posts that makes it hard to understand what I'm saying? Like does something stylistic cause people to skim?
All of his gameplay has been centered around roles and setups (not talking about them explicitly, but rather voting and suspecting the people (XP, Faust) who have driven discussion in that direction).
#438 UoS' reads on leading wagons. Definitely leaning XP over Gkrieg NOTE -- ask why, he doesn't explain.
UoS, why XP over Gkrieg?
Here:I tentatively agree. vote: chairsXP votes chairs, sheeping Faust's pointing out of the survivor aligned phrasing. Immediately after this (1 minute) XP explains that the "tentatively" is because his PR PM is worded similarly, but it could also be in the scum PM. If XP is town, he should be one of the first to notice this and not sheep it, since he's clearly already thought about it when he votes.
Geekrig just seems new to me, not really seeing the case as particularly scummy.
Don't like your narrative of my votes as being based on setup rather than interactions btw. I'm certainly using theory and setup discussion as a starting point, but my reads are based on what I perceive as the thought process behind them. For example, I'm townreading SS, but disagree with him as much as I do with Faust.
Possibly silly question: is there something about my posts that makes it hard to understand what I'm saying? Like does something stylistic cause people to skim?
PPE: 4
How was I doing that?
#438 UoS' reads on leading wagons. Definitely leaning XP over Gkrieg NOTE -- ask why, he doesn't explain.
UoS, why XP over Gkrieg?
Here:I tentatively agree. vote: chairsXP votes chairs, sheeping Faust's pointing out of the survivor aligned phrasing. Immediately after this (1 minute) XP explains that the "tentatively" is because his PR PM is worded similarly, but it could also be in the scum PM. If XP is town, he should be one of the first to notice this and not sheep it, since he's clearly already thought about it when he votes.
Geekrig just seems new to me, not really seeing the case as particularly scummy.
Don't like your narrative of my votes as being based on setup rather than interactions btw. I'm certainly using theory and setup discussion as a starting point, but my reads are based on what I perceive as the thought process behind them. For example, I'm townreading SS, but disagree with him as much as I do with Faust.
Possibly silly question: is there something about my posts that makes it hard to understand what I'm saying? Like does something stylistic cause people to skim?
PPE: 4
No, I'm not saying that you are basing your votes/reads base on agreements or disagreements on theory. What I'm saying is that almost all of your discussion has been centered around theory. You've pushed XP for him breadcrumb, and pushed Faust for his reaction to Chairs' slip-up. But these two points have been the majority of your discussion for a day, and from what I've seen have centered around the tenet that 'Anything that works towards revealing PRs is scummy'. And while I agree that it's bad, I'd disagree that it's scummy.
Meanwhile, while you've been pushing this, there are large parts of the day that you simply haven't even commented on. Only recently you commented on the gkrieg case. PPE: Even now, you say "Geekrig just seems new to me, not really seeing the case as particularly scummy", which isn't really a concrete opinion. Are you town on him, or are you null? Which parts of the case do you disagree with?
You also haven't had a single post commenting on Seprix, who's been a significant wagon for most of the day. By focusing on/pushing people who are delving into roles, you've been able to get away without comment on the majority of the day's wagons, wagons that are actually based on gameplay and interactions and not on theory.
Does that make sense? I'm fine going through examples of your posts if you want me to!
Ok, I like UoS. (as town)
1) He thinks giving passes out is ridiculous and had his brilliant satirical D1 pass for everyone (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507234#msg507234) (except 4 people) post.
2) He thinks discussing PRs D1 is ridiculous
3) He has been consistent and active
Yeah, I don't see much scum there at all.
How was I doing that?
Okay, I was more talking about Faust there. Although your first post was a bit of that.
My issue with you is more what I just posted above in response to TA: if you're a town PR, why sheep the fabricated-townslip-is-scum-because-VT-PM-worded-differently opinion on chairs while almost immediately pointing out that your own PM was worded that way? Especially as you've obviously been thinking about the PM wording.
And the way you say your own PM was worded the same way is hedgy, like you're not sure how PR PMs are worded but don't want to be obvious about it.
PPE: 2
Ok, I like UoS. (as town)
1) He thinks giving passes out is ridiculous and had his brilliant satirical D1 pass for everyone (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507234#msg507234) (except 4 people) post.
2) He thinks discussing PRs D1 is ridiculous
3) He has been consistent and active
Yeah, I don't see much scum there at all.
BS, I agree with all of these, and I'd agree with them regardless of alignment. This is the fakest of fake townreads. (And doesn't reflect badly on UoS at all, only you).
Okay, it was probably partly for this purpose, but extreme town points to TA for the reread notes.
Are you town on him (gkrieg), or are you null? Which parts of the case do you disagree with?I'm null on gkrieg. He hasn't stood out to me much. I've just spent several minutes trying to look back and find this case on him, and I'm not seeing what it even is. I actually like how he reacted to the chairs townslip, so thanks for having me reread this. Slight townpoints for gkrieg. So yeah, he was null when I started this reply, now he's slight town.
You also haven't had a single post commenting on Seprix, who's been a significant wagon for most of the day.I actually keep wanting to address Seprix and deleting it for fear of talking about ongoing games. I'm not interested in lynching him today. I think his play has been terribly scummy, but I don't think he's scum. But it's a meta argument and I'm not sure how firm a grasp I have on his meta. I certainly don't think he's more likely to be scum than average for any of the stuff he's done today. And much less likely to be scum than XP or Faust. But I also don't think people thinking he's scum are scummy, because if I weren't having this meta read, I'd think he was scummy too. I should probably try to find some finished games of his to serve as examples of what I'm thinking. I'll try to do that tomorrow if he still looks like a top lynch candidate.
Does that make sense? I'm fine going through examples of your posts if you want me to!
Let's just stop talking on this subject. Find something else scummy, that's not it.
#167 ss votes Seprix for being jokey and easy to fabricate posts. I too find Seprix scummy up to this point, but I don't agree with the first point and only partially the second. NOTE -- ask silverspawn for more clarification on what posts are "easy to fabricate"
Ok, I like UoS. (as town)
1) He thinks giving passes out is ridiculous and had his brilliant satirical D1 pass for everyone (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507234#msg507234) (except 4 people) post.
2) He thinks discussing PRs D1 is ridiculous
3) He has been consistent and active
Yeah, I don't see much scum there at all.
BS, I agree with all of these, and I'd agree with them regardless of alignment. This is the fakest of fake townreads. (And doesn't reflect badly on UoS at all, only you).
UoS, thoughts on this townread? Does it read the same way to you it reads to me?
#167 ss votes Seprix for being jokey and easy to fabricate posts. I too find Seprix scummy up to this point, but I don't agree with the first point and only partially the second. NOTE -- ask silverspawn for more clarification on what posts are "easy to fabricate"
well if you read the stuff Seprix has posted up to that point, it's little content and a lot of jokes and one liners. A few notes about the flavor. Maybe one or two about the setup. One post saying 'UoS' makes sense (which is a nice thing for scum to do; he is making sense after all, and you pointing it out is non-hedgy while also being content, but super easy to do). I don't think content is necessarily always hard to fabricate, but no-content is usually easy. It can be a town tell if someone has a hard time being dégagé (I just looked this word up) as town, but not in Seprix case
PPE 10
Really I'm fine lynching gkrieg/Seprix not because of the cases on them, but the opinions I got from my own re-read.If it came down to those, I'd definitely prefer Seprix. My meta idea is not that strong, and Seprix is liable to cause a lot of too-scummy-to-be-scum, no-that's-terrible-we-should-lynch-him later as town or scum I think, so no offense to Seprix but if we were forced to lynch someone immediately with no discussion or interactions or anything, based purely on playstyle, he'd be a better lynch than most.
I disagree with you on XP, also.Could you elaborate on this?
You're also not on Seprix currently -- are you still scummy on him? What's your viewpoint here? Apologies if it's been stated recently, but it's just impossible to remember the current thoughts of 17 people.
- Seprix doesn't respond to #84, even though he clearly read the post (re: views on UoS). FoS to Seprix for this.
I know the roles in mafia. It was just the flavor name. I think it is just in a different language and/or I don't have a large enough vocabulary
Great, so now you're either PR or Mafia claiming subtly. I'll err on the side of PR since you're new.
unvote
Be a man and actually keep your vote on him. This seems like a book with manly men who can vote for something and not immediately remove it before it's even had a chance to give the slightest feeling of pressure.
#138 Seprix post -- Fishy to me. "Chairs!scum is something I can see easily" -- the way it's worded has me weirded out. It's like he wants to support the narrative (and thus lynch him), but he says it in a way that he can easily flip to 'oh yeah, it can be a scum narrative, too'
Also, I have been tunneling XP, so that is not necessarily "blending in without contributing a lot." You could join in the discussion as to why XP is scummy, or do you not want to do that to your partner?
vote: 2.7. I don't like the tone this game is starting to develop - lots of gratuitous accusing that does nothing to actually help the game. And OMGUS here - faust's vote seems well justified - whether or not you agree with it, his narrative makes sense. Prove him wrong if he is mistaken.
He's scummy because you don't like his tone? Or you think he's actively being unhelpful to seed confusion?
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Also, keep in mind. We only have about 2 days left of D1
Though I wonder why it is so difficult for him to explain his scum read, especially when he thinks it's that obvious.
But theory talk aside, why do you keep coming back to the modkill argument. What you actually did didn't generate any modkills (nor would anyone expect it to). But you've responded with the modkill thing 3 times now. And not engaged much on what I'm actually suggesting you should have done. Why the focus on the modkill thing?
You said I should have done something differently. I asked how, you made a suggestion, I pointed out that your suggestion may have led other, less experienced players to violate said rule and risk a modkill. I don't know what else you want to hear.
It's mostly me trying to get inside your head. I don't like the defensive/accusatory tone toward me and Mail-mi that you not revealing a bunch of VTs and PRs to scum would have gotten someone modkilled so we are bad for suggesting it.
It doesn't come off to me as "oops" so much as "stop pushing this".
Of the "leading wagons" I'm definitely leaning XP over Krieger. And yeah we need to settle down onto a majority lynch in the next 2 days so we can make people take a firm stance on lynches that aren't their top preference. But neither of these wagons is that big yet, and Faust is my preferred lynch. But I'll be happy to switch tomorrow if no one agrees with me.
Thoughts from anyone else who hasn't chimed in on Faust?
"A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".
I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town,
"A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
You don't usually post anything useful for Mafia.
I just reread all of the posts and Seprix still seems very scummy to me.Bad habit.
1. He seems to change his vote around a lot at the beginning.
2. He makes a big deal about other people slipping something about their role....And so did everyone else. Your point?
3. When the wagon starts on him, he starts posting a lot less. This seems like a scum thing to do so that people start talking about other people and the wagon goes off of him.I don't post less when I'm under pressure.
I'm keeping my vote on him because I feel like XP and hockey are town, as well as chairs at this point.Chairs is Chairs, Hockey is a wagon because he pissed off SS, and XP is legitimately scummy this game.
"A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
You don't usually post anything useful for Mafia.
. ?
Quotecan mess with us
what does that even mean
Five votes, man, that's around just provoking aka "mess with someone"- but ah, shouldn't care, made my case with you I think. Scumread me as much as you like, but you can't lynch me alone- despice how many times you vote, y'know.
PPE: gk speaking sense. I like it. Vote: Seprix
Ok. Your not alone anymore. Good luck with it.
Eh. I agree tangents aren't really productive to the game, but virtually everyone goes on a few. I don't think anyone is giving chairs town points for that post--and I don't think he posted that in order to get them. It's a side conversation."A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
You don't usually post anything useful for Mafia.
. ?
Let me explain what I mean real quick. Chairs is going off on a tangent, discussing what is/isn't a pony, looking active while contributing nothing.
"A pony is a small horse" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony
You don't usually post anything useful for Mafia.
Let me explain what I mean real quick. Chairs is going off on a tangent, discussing what is/isn't a pony, looking active while contributing nothing.
Quotecan mess with us
what does that even mean
Five votes, man, that's around just provoking aka "mess with someone"- but ah, shouldn't care, made my case with you I think. Scumread me as much as you like, but you can't lynch me alone- despice how many times you vote, y'know.
PPE: gk speaking sense. I like it. Vote: Seprix
Ok. Your not alone anymore. Good luck with it.
I can see this as newbie town buddying as much as scum buddying, so I won't put too much on this.
Hockey is a wagon because he pissed off ss
I still think hockey continues to be scummy. But this is scummy too:Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 passI'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
- inconsistent
- disingenuous town read (call this one a gut reaction)
- empathizing that it's not just for policy... okay, this could be a town thing, but I generally think doing things for blatant policy is a towny thing to do for newer players and a scummy or neutral thing for experienced players
- overexplaining votes
This is a weak case. I read his post as how town!ghacob were in hearthstone and scumreading people based on their stye is.. well, it's not very good. This isn't scumhunting from your side, it's scumpainting. Your case on me is, I don't know, it's also totally uncalled for anyhow..
And how convenient, both your targets- me and Ghacob- are fairly new players so you can mess with us how much you like without anyone else really noticing anything. Mesh. You're the one who's scummy here..
Although, Staying with my vote on chairs however because of that picture >:(
ahm, so, first of all, my case wasn't based on personal style. Secondly, I believe that cases on personal style are generally worth more not less than cases in a vacuum, and I don't understand where the dislike towards meta arguments is coming from.QuoteYou're the one who's scummy here..QuoteAlthough, Staying with my vote on chairs however because of that picture >:(
vote: hockey
Quotecan mess with us
what does that even mean
Five votes, man, that's around just provoking aka "mess with someone"- but ah, shouldn't care, made my case with you I think. Scumread me as much as you like, but you can't lynch me alone- despice how many times you vote, y'know.
PPE: gk speaking sense. I like it. Vote: Seprix
Ok. Your not alone anymore. Good luck with it.
I can see this as newbie town buddying as much as scum buddying, so I won't put too much on this.
Quotecan mess with us
what does that even mean
Five votes, man, that's around just provoking aka "mess with someone"- but ah, shouldn't care, made my case with you I think. Scumread me as much as you like, but you can't lynch me alone- despice how many times you vote, y'know.
PPE: gk speaking sense. I like it. Vote: Seprix
Ok. Your not alone anymore. Good luck with it.
I can see this as newbie town buddying as much as scum buddying, so I won't put too much on this.
I also read this as Hockey talking to Kraig for some stupid f***ing reason.
...And then everyone voted for Hockey.
Let's just stop talking on this subject. Find something else scummy, that's not it.
You don't get to tell me why I find you scummy. That's the reason.
Let's just stop talking on this subject. Find something else scummy, that's not it.
You don't get to tell me why I find you scummy. That's the reason.
I like XP > Kriegermeister, and whoever SS votes for over anything else because he's making a lot of sense to me.
Oh forget it. If I say nothing, I'm scum. If I say something, I'm scum. It's just way too much information to handle. I never remember why I vote for people, and I never make good arguments.
Maybe I should do some sort of breadcrumbing.It's not just the breadcrumbing statement - it's the direct question that follows it. I know scum!me would love to get a discussion like that started. It would almost inevitably lead to revelations. Another thing I didn't mention before is his targeting of gkrieg, which feels like someone looking for a mislynch.
Does anyone feel somewhat creeped-out? (related to their role)
Oh forget it. If I say nothing, I'm scum. If I say something, I'm scum. It's just way too much information to handle. I never remember why I vote for people, and I never make good arguments.
I know I say this a lot, but vote count please!
Ghacob as scummy as hell, but after Hearthstone mafia I would be more suspicious would he be towny
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".
And yet you're pretty much confirmed not town? What are you even talking about?
QuoteI disagree with you on XP, also.Could you elaborate on this?
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".
And yet you're pretty much confirmed not town? What are you even talking about?
Can you explain this? How is he confirmed not town?
oh and @ash: it's hockeysemlan, that's an 'l' not an 'i'
oh and @ash: it's hockeysemlan, that's an 'l' not an 'i'
(When Ash gives you a name, you stick with the name. I actually like the sound of hockesemIan ^^)
Seprix seems too go along some kind of martyre-lane here. I don't really recognize him from the games I've read with him. He wasn't "bad" in those, a bit silly yes, but not confused like this. I'm happy with my vote.
Well, yeah, stop pushing this. Every question I answer for you makes it a balancing act for me not to reveal anything about my role, and there's very little benefit to it.
I was explaining why I found your reaction scummy.
And unless your role is "allowed to quote mod PMs" or "Can declare someone to be modkilled" none of this is about revealing your role. Unless your role is scum.
Me trying to read you is absolutely a benefit to me. And other people being able to read this and figure out if they find your thought process scummy or towny is helpful for town as a whole.
Show me where I'm pressing you about anything actually related to your role. And I don't mean that as "explain your role". This whole conversation has been completely unrelated to the specifics of any role as far as I can tell. And you're being weirdly defensive about it.
Mostly in the form of accusing people who push you. It's scummy.
I just reread all of the posts and Seprix still seems very scummy to me.
1. He seems to change his vote around a lot at the beginning.
2. He makes a big deal about other people slipping something about their role.
3. When the wagon starts on him, he starts posting a lot less. This seems like a scum thing to do so that people start talking about other people and the wagon goes off of him.
I'm keeping my vote on him because I feel like XP and hockey are town, as well as chairs at this point.
PPE:1
#287 UoS votes Faust for pushing PR/VT discussion. Second time he's voted for setup stuff. Seems to be scumhunting based on setup, not on reads. NOTE to self -- lookback and see where he's had actual reads.
My quick scan of all of UoS' posts is definitely enough for a Vote: UoS . All of his gameplay has been centered around roles and setups (not talking about them explicitly, but rather voting and suspecting the people (XP, Faust) who have driven discussion in that direction). These read as more policy positions than actual reads though. He's been able to skate by D1 based solely on driving XP and Faust, rather than commenting on the actual gameplay-driven wagons (Seprix, Gkrieg come to mind, maybe others?) He's definitely not participating in any parts of the game that require him to put down opinions and I think is playing a very background game in terms of actually working towards a correct lynch based on gameplay, even while maintaining high activity levels.
(Also, XP over Gkrieg is probably clear, given his past suspicion).
I know this might not be a feasible lynch and I'm definitely going to move my vote elsewhere if it's not going to happen today, but I'm interested in what others have to say. It looks like he's gotten mostly town reads thus far.
Ok, I like UoS. (as town)
1) He thinks giving passes out is ridiculous and had his brilliant satirical D1 pass for everyone (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507234#msg507234) (except 4 people) post.
2) He thinks discussing PRs D1 is ridiculous
3) He has been consistent and active
Yeah, I don't see much scum there at all.
Want to lynch:
UoS, Seprix, 2.7
Would lynch:
Ghacob, Hockey, gkrieg, EFHW
Would lurker lynch, null reads
Mail-mi, Ichi, WW, EgorK, Hydrad
Won't lynch:
Silverspawn, Faust, Chairs, XP
I feel like any of the non-vanilla roles could say something like "you are the survivor-aligned ____".
And yet you're pretty much confirmed not town? What are you even talking about?
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
Hey, hey, your vote was very useful on e!
This last series of posts makes me feel townier on Seprix. I don't feel really good about this wagon. Can we lynch e instead? That would be great. I thought it was common knowledge by now that everyone should sheep me D1 :P
I don't know. Seprix wagon is moving to smoothly for my liking. I need to reread e to form better opinion on him.
1. What does IC mean?Innocent Child. Originally a PR which is confirmed town by the mod before the game starts. Loosely used if people feel that someone is super towny.
2. Why is it better that we come to a majority lynch instead of just most people?cause most people makes it easier for scum to hide. Maybe the players a split across a couple of wagons and no-one has to set clear stances. With a majority lynch, half is on the wagon and the other half off.
Towny: UoS, gkrieg, Faust, TA, e,
Nully: Chairs, Hockey, Egor, Hydrad, Mail-Mi, Ichi, Ghacob
Scummy: EFHW, Silver, Seprix, XP,
1. What does IC mean?Innocent Child. Originally a PR which is confirmed town by the mod before the game starts. Loosely used if people feel that someone is super towny.2. Why is it better that we come to a majority lynch instead of just most people?cause most people makes it easier for scum to hide. Maybe the players a split across a couple of wagons and no-one has to set clear stances. With a majority lynch, half is on the wagon and the other half off.
I like Seprix better than XP, but I'm willing to vote: XP if it gets us a majority lynch to work with D2.
What's the concern of not having a majority lynch? Wagon analysis?
What's the concern of not having a majority lynch? Wagon analysis?
That's what I understand out of it. And it makes sense.
I like Seprix better than XP, but I'm willing to vote: XP if it gets us a majority lynch to work with D2.
I don't understand this... wouldn't the majority lynch be closer if you voted Seprix instead?
What's the concern of not having a majority lynch? Wagon analysis?
That's what I understand out of it. And it makes sense.
I could see it either way. You get information both ways. Majority, you see who will bend to the popular lynch. Just voting, you get everyone's #1 scum while still getting a lynch. The most important thing is that everyone is voting, not that we have a majority lynch.
I like Seprix better than XP, but I'm willing to vote: XP if it gets us a majority lynch to work with D2.
Let's think about this.scummier than chairs not voting Seprix.
Why wouldn't Chairs just vote for me then? I can see an answer on the horizon already, that we're scumbuddies. Since I am not scum, I do wonder why Chairs is not voting for me over anyone else then. Chairs did say 'a' majority lynch, not 'the' majority lynch after all. We can't take that out of context.
Seprix: No, a plurality lynch is a thing here, doesn't have to be a majority. We'd just rather it was a majority.
"a majority" vs. "the majority" seems like reaching for a scumslip that isn't there.
And yeah, I find this post:Let's think about this.scummier than chairs not voting Seprix.
Why wouldn't Chairs just vote for me then? I can see an answer on the horizon already, that we're scumbuddies. Since I am not scum, I do wonder why Chairs is not voting for me over anyone else then. Chairs did say 'a' majority lynch, not 'the' majority lynch after all. We can't take that out of context.
Seprix: Would you mind pointing me to a finished scum game of yours?
It won't matter, I always play the same.
lol, kay. I don't care. :)
lol, kay. I don't care. :)
You do realize that I was originally (lightly) defending you, right?
I'm as good as lynched today. I'm just accepting it, really. I guess better luck next time for me.
I'm as good as lynched today. I'm just accepting it, really. I guess better luck next time for me.
This attitude is bad if you're town. And actually it's probably bad if you're scum. You have 7/9 votes, but mine at least could have been avoided. The day's not over yet.
If you're never going to try though, yeah that's a really easy position to take as scum, and you're more harm than good as town anyway. You're making yourself into a win-win: scum we may as well lynch early so they can't hide there, or town we don't mind if we lose.
I'm as good as lynched today. I'm just accepting it, really. I guess better luck next time for me.
This attitude is bad if you're town. And actually it's probably bad if you're scum. You have 7/9 votes, but mine at least could have been avoided. The day's not over yet.
If you're never going to try though, yeah that's a really easy position to take as scum, and you're more harm than good as town anyway. You're making yourself into a win-win: scum we may as well lynch early so they can't hide there, or town we don't mind if we lose.
Well, what can I even say? Everyone's already made up their mind about me this game. I don't have any proof.
Let's think about this.
Why wouldn't Chairs just vote for me then? I can see an answer on the horizon already, that we're scumbuddies. Since I am not scum, I do wonder why Chairs is not voting for me over anyone else then. Chairs did say 'a' majority lynch, not 'the' majority lynch after all. We can't take that out of context.
Meh. I'll try to write a list of who I think is and isn't town later today. That could help.
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
Hey, hey, your vote was very useful on e!
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
whats the difference between 50/50 and null?
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
Cynicism mode: 50/50 means you've talked too much or been the subject of too much attention so he feels bad having no read on you.
whats the difference between 50/50 and null?
I am just terrible at quotes today:
Cynicism mode: 50/50 means you've talked too much or been the subject of too much attention so he feels bad having no read on you.
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
whats the difference between 50/50 and null?
This last series of posts makes me feel townier on Seprix. I don't feel really good about this wagon. Can we lynch e instead? That would be great. I thought it was common knowledge by now that everyone should sheep me D1 :P
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
whats the difference between 50/50 and null?
50/50 people have more stuff I renege than null people. Like you. I had a town read on you, but then your most recent posts have not felt right. Like "switching to where your vote is useful" then going full hedge just now. Which makes me think scum. But I had that town read. So I am more conflicted about you.
Not as conflicted about some of the others (silverspawn being silverspawn. Flip a coin) but just more stuff is out about them and I don't know.
PPE: null is no read. 50/50 I have thought about and don't know. More likely to vote in the 50/50 section than the null
my head says e, my gut says seprix (but both say uos) i don't know which one i should trust more.
vote: 2.7
#287 UoS votes Faust for pushing PR/VT discussion. Second time he's voted for setup stuff. Seems to be scumhunting based on setup, not on reads. NOTE to self -- lookback and see where he's had actual reads.
My quick scan of all of UoS' posts is definitely enough for a Vote: UoS . All of his gameplay has been centered around roles and setups (not talking about them explicitly, but rather voting and suspecting the people (XP, Faust) who have driven discussion in that direction). These read as more policy positions than actual reads though. He's been able to skate by D1 based solely on driving XP and Faust, rather than commenting on the actual gameplay-driven wagons (Seprix, Gkrieg come to mind, maybe others?) He's definitely not participating in any parts of the game that require him to put down opinions and I think is playing a very background game in terms of actually working towards a correct lynch based on gameplay, even while maintaining high activity levels.
(Also, XP over Gkrieg is probably clear, given his past suspicion).
I know this might not be a feasible lynch and I'm definitely going to move my vote elsewhere if it's not going to happen today, but I'm interested in what others have to say. It looks like he's gotten mostly town reads thus far.
And TA just realized how scummy his seprix vote was
Why do people want to lynch UoS?
Could we also have two groups of scum? That could be a reason to switch between a few different people as scum. Maybe you think that one of them is on the other scum team but don't know which?
PPE:1
Why do people want to lynch UoS?
Who else besides TA and faust wants to lynch him?
Why do people want to lynch UoS?
Who else besides TA and faust wants to lynch him?
I don't know, it seems like it has come up a number of times.
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
Hey, hey, your vote was very useful on e!
Really, this is a bit weird. e was like the second biggest wagon. Why do you think your vote isn't useful there?
I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities. People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me. I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better. Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.
I'll try this.
Imagine TA is scum. He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team. He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia.
Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?
Does that make any more sense?
PPE:2
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
Hey, hey, your vote was very useful on e!
Really, this is a bit weird. e was like the second biggest wagon. Why do you think your vote isn't useful there?
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
Hey, hey, your vote was very useful on e!
Really, this is a bit weird. e was like the second biggest wagon. Why do you think your vote isn't useful there?
I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities. People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me. I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better. Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.
I'll try this.
Imagine TA is scum. He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team. He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia.
Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?
Does that make any more sense?
PPE:2
I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities. People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me. I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better. Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.
I'll try this.
Imagine TA is scum. He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team. He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia.
Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?
Does that make any more sense?
PPE:2
Mafia lynching a separate Mafia team is good, because it gives them town cred, especially for as long as we don't know there is more than one team. But what would be different from town!TA in your scenario? He would also want to hit scum.
Is that standard behavior from town e, or is it weird?
Could we also have two groups of scum? That could be a reason to switch between a few different people as scum. Maybe you think that one of them is on the other scum team but don't know which?
PPE:1
Whoa k. Caught up from the posts that were made while I was asleep/in class.
Probably have some more to say later. I still like my vote on Seprix though. I can see some of the points made again UoS.
Honestly, I think I'm having difficulty getting into the game because my activity can't be what it normally is. I'm used to formulating reads largely based off of what people think of me and interact directly with me--at least as a starting point. So a bunch of "Ichi is null"--which of course is expected given how busy I am lately--make it kinda hard for me to jump into things.
Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.
Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.
So why is Ghacob scummy?
The XP breadcrumb thing is practically useless for anyone now (which I guess is sorta the point of posting it), but I am reminded of BM20 which, while bastard, also started withscum!XP making a similarly ominous commentthat was his partner
...wow I spent time looking for something that apparently doesn't exist. Whoops.
slight scum points from me regardless
and also slight scum points to Seprix and TA for... "taking this too seriously" isn't quite the right phrase but...
TA, responding withHi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.to an RVS "Process of elimination"?
Seprix, you're making far too big a deal out of the "slip" or whatever it is. I had to take a second to figure out what exactly my alignment was too, I'm sorry I didn't peruse the setup as soon as I received my PM
vote: Seprix
PPE: 3
And now to try to find some people I think are town
Trouble deciding who I think is town has led to revers PoE!1. mail-mi2. Ichimaru Gin3. Witherweaver4. EgorK5. 2.7
6. silverspawn
7. Hydrad
8. Faust
9. Chairs
10. Ghacob11. hockeysemian12. Seprix13. TwistedArcher14. XerxesPraelor15. gkrieg13
16. EFHW17. UmbrageOfSnow
And there we go, those are the people I think are towny right now
...not too many, I'll try to work on that
PPE: 2
I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
Geekrig (since no one is spelling your name right :P)This has actually been a lifelong thing for me. :D
Regarding chairs, before we forget this. I think if Seprix flips scum, chairs certainly needs looking into. But he's not otherwise particularly scummy. I think chairs is going to say that he wasn't paying attention to the vote count and thought XP was more of a wagon than Seprix or something. And that might be true. Seprix's recent reaction to pressure feels scummy to me.
Anyway, Seprix is the better lynch than chairs out of that weird interaction is my point.
e seems to be tunneling TA pretty hard, and pretty irrationally.
Is that standard behavior from town chairs, or is it weird?
for some reason I thought XP was the big wagon, not Seprix, lol.
After the latest interactions, though, I think e or TA might be the scum.
for some reason I thought XP was the big wagon, not Seprix, lol.
After the latest interactions, though, I think e or TA might be the scum.
"the" scum?
Ghacob is on my wagon? I recall not liking his posts at all, and having a total scum read on him.
So why is Ghacob scummy?
GHACOB
A few RVS votes on e and UoS, and then he plays for real.The XP breadcrumb thing is practically useless for anyone now (which I guess is sorta the point of posting it), but I am reminded of BM20 which, while bastard, also started withscum!XP making a similarly ominous commentthat was his partner
...wow I spent time looking for something that apparently doesn't exist. Whoops.
slight scum points from me regardless
and also slight scum points to Seprix and TA for... "taking this too seriously" isn't quite the right phrase but...
TA, responding withHi. Disagree with fausts' PoE but whatever, I see him diverting from it if he has a scum read so it's not worth arguing over.to an RVS "Process of elimination"?
Seprix, you're making far too big a deal out of the "slip" or whatever it is. I had to take a second to figure out what exactly my alignment was too, I'm sorry I didn't peruse the setup as soon as I received my PM
vote: Seprix
PPE: 3
And now to try to find some people I think are town
But that XP bread crumbing was pretty bad… So he votes me. He’s early on a wagon, perfect for scum, since no suspicion goes on Ghacob.
Then Ghacob does a read:Trouble deciding who I think is town has led to revers PoE!1. mail-mi2. Ichimaru Gin3. Witherweaver4. EgorK5. 2.7
6. silverspawn
7. Hydrad
8. Faust
9. Chairs
10. Ghacob11. hockeysemian12. Seprix13. TwistedArcher14. XerxesPraelor15. gkrieg13
16. EFHW17. UmbrageOfSnow
And there we go, those are the people I think are towny right now
...not too many, I'll try to work on that
PPE: 2
Seems a bit lazy, but I am lazy too, so it’s not evidence in itself.I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
Ghacob seems quite intent to give scummy play an easy pass, just because he is new, and tries to explain it away as 'confused town', which makes me wonder if Ghacob knows exactly who is and isn't scum.
In reflection, there's no clear town player here in this first day. Usually there is one, but this game, everyone is scummy. I have no town reads right now. Only null or scum reads.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Towny: UoS, gkrieg, Faust, TA, e,
Nully: Chairs, Hockey, Egor, Hydrad, Mail-Mi, Ichi, Ghacob
Scummy: EFHW, Silver, Seprix, XP,
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
This last series of posts makes me feel townier on Seprix. I don't feel really good about this wagon. Can we lynch e instead? That would be great. I thought it was common knowledge by now that everyone should sheep me D1 :P
Which posts and why?
I'm starting to regret my Krieger vote either way. I kind of forgot why I was voting him over XP, and that's obviously bad. I lost my train of thought I guess, I dunno. Faust seems fine right now, there are certainly better options for D1 lynches.
And
Vote: TA
PPEs
Please note, I've moved the deadline to 12:01 a.m. I realized I will be unavailable at 1:00 a.m.
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
Vote: hockeysemlan
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
Vote: hockeysemlan
Wutnow? If you believe in your case against him, you wouldn't be wrong to begin with..
This was odd.
UoS, WW
Vote: Seprix
what I'm unsure about right now is hockey's confidence.
First I was trying to push him and he shrugged it off as me being scummy
now faust is voting for him and he just says faust is being scummy
often, confidence is a town trait. playing up your confidence artificially may be a scum trait... ?
what I'm unsure about right now is hockey's confidence.
First I was trying to push him and he shrugged it off as me being scummy
now faust is voting for him and he just says faust is being scummy
often, confidence is a town trait. playing up your confidence artificially may be a scum trait... ?
I haven't say anything about Faust being scummy?
This was odd.eh, I guess you technically didn't. so you instead just said it's strange from him. Works equally well for the point I was making.
He voted me without a reason after being stuck on e, like, forever- that was odd, indeed.He did no such thing. He voted for you for a very goos reason.
Hm. What do you mean with pointy..? I've changed my style a tiny little bit in this game, but it's merely because it's bigger than my first finished one.
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
Vote: hockeysemlan
Wutnow? If you believe in your case against him, you wouldn't be wrong to begin with..
This was odd.
You are setting up mislynches. That's a very scummy thing to do. And it's not like I would be 100% sure someone is scum on D1. I leave that to others.
and you're implicitly white knighting, too.
I like your reasoning around him though, I want to test if it's true even if your not voting for him in the end. I think he very well might end up scum.
and you're implicitly white knighting, too.
actually scratch that, you aren't. and this:QuoteI like your reasoning around him though, I want to test if it's true even if your not voting for him in the end. I think he very well might end up scum.
is kind of a towny thing to say, too. okay, maybe you aren't scum after all.
words are hard
I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
and you're implicitly white knighting, too.
actually scratch that, you aren't. and this:QuoteI like your reasoning around him though, I want to test if it's true even if your not voting for him in the end. I think he very well might end up scum.
is kind of a towny thing to say, too. okay, maybe you aren't scum after all.
Thankyou. I would never whiteknight. Not att all partly because I don't know what it is..
and you're implicitly white knighting, too.
actually scratch that, you aren't. and this:QuoteI like your reasoning around him though, I want to test if it's true even if your not voting for him in the end. I think he very well might end up scum.
is kind of a towny thing to say, too. okay, maybe you aren't scum after all.
Thankyou. I would never whiteknight. Not att all partly because I don't know what it is..
it's a scumm tell you're much likely to fall into if you don't know what it is.
Let us not tell him!
Ugh. I shouldn't joke..
And
Vote: TA
PPEs
This doesn't fit with your earlier read at all.
And
Vote: TA
PPEs
This doesn't fit with your earlier read at all.
Maybe something happened between my earlier read and my vote on TA. Like, TA being scummy.
And
Vote: TA
PPEs
This doesn't fit with your earlier read at all.
Maybe something happened between my earlier read and my vote on TA. Like, TA being scummy.
Well, what was so significant that it changed your earlier town read?
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
Vote: hockeysemlan
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
Vote: hockeysemlan
And please notice my might :(
And I really don't think Hockey was setting up mislynches so blatantly.
Ugh.. Everything is so random..
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2. I don't understand why you would tunnel someone this much as town, (though I understand that it is a quite naive statement. Good towns do anything, I guess) at least not D1.
There some good points against e, though, and I wouldn't mind to test if Faust is right, after alll. Seprix is the obvious choice today and we can always take him tomorrow. In my mind, both e and seprix can be scum.
Vote: e
The way Seprix left his vote on Geekrig after the point at which he said he couldn't remember why he was voting there and not XP, and now says he forgot he wasn't on XP several real life days later has me thinking he's more likely to be scum. I believe that's what happened.
So why didn't he change his vote? Because he was afraid of getting called out for moving his vote around too much. Which is something he was getting some pressure for before and has in other games. I think that paranoia speaks to scum!Seprix.
Is Seprix a player you've all just given up on trying to read one way or the other and written off as "Seprix always looks scummy"? Because that's how a lot of the arguments for and against him feel.
Anyway, I'll reread e later today. I won't be around at deadline (maybe could steal my girlfriend's phone and ignore her to play mafia on it... so yeah, I won't be around.) If I'm going to switch my vote to e or anywhere else, I'll have done it by around 6 PM tonight.
Totally believe that at this point you thought you'd voted for XP. But why didn't you vote for him in the post where you said you were no longer sure why you weren't voting for him? Or in the like 3 days since then?
And why don't you want people to read into your play? You just want to be lynched every game until people give up and never lynch you, until you're scum too often and people lynch you every game again? It's more fun for you and everyone else if we try to actually read intent into what you're doing and try to figure out your mindset. And it's more likely to help town win.
This "no one can possibly read me" schtick is not helpful to town. And it's a great defense for scum.
I thought I was voting for XP. I guess not.
The way Seprix left his vote on Geekrig after the point at which he said he couldn't remember why he was voting there and not XP, and now says he forgot he wasn't on XP several real life days later has me thinking he's more likely to be scum. I believe that's what happened.
So why didn't he change his vote? Because he was afraid of getting called out for moving his vote around too much. Which is something he was getting some pressure for before and has in other games. I think that paranoia speaks to scum!Seprix.
I thought I was voting for XP. I guess not.
There's also this post from before you confronted me to prove that I did in fact think I voted for XP.
I thought I was voting for XP. I guess not.
There's also this post from before you confronted me to prove that I did in fact think I voted for XP.
Proves nothing. But it's interesting that you didn't vote at that point. Why not?
I think that Seprix, as either alignment, just isn't overly concerned with how his actions are perceived.
I still have yet to hear from anyone on my wagon why I am such a great lynch. I expect that there are plenty of town on the wagon because of that. Scum wouldn't just gut read a case as much as town.
I still have yet to hear from anyone on my wagon why I am such a great lynch. I expect that there are plenty of town on the wagon because of that. Scum wouldn't just gut read a case as much as town.
I still have yet to hear from anyone on my wagon why I am such a great lynch. I expect that there are plenty of town on the wagon because of that. Scum wouldn't just gut read a case as much as town.
I'm afraid of you. That's my reason. I read you mostly like I did in our first game and well.. I read you wrong as (super)town and I think that might be the case this time too.
No, I don't read you as super-town this game. You're awfully null though and with this much attention towards you.. that's scummy.
Meta-argument isn't optimal to use, but you are indeed very hard to read. I need to try this to get a grip on you.
PPE
I still have yet to hear from anyone on my wagon why I am such a great lynch. I expect that there are plenty of town on the wagon because of that. Scum wouldn't just gut read a case as much as town.
I'm afraid of you. That's my reason. I read you mostly like I did in our first game and well.. I read you wrong as (super)town and I think that might be the case this time too.
No, I don't read you as super-town this game. You're awfully null though and with this much attention towards you.. that's scummy.
Meta-argument isn't optimal to use, but you are indeed very hard to read. I need to try this to get a grip on you.
PPE
Oh, I thought I was still voting you[e]. I was going to say that chairs's wagon wasn't so important I shouldn't pressure lurkers, but he's lurking too.
vote: chairs
Vote: XP
Seprix, want to come lynch XP with me?
for some reason I thought XP was the big wagon, not Seprix, lol.
After the latest interactions, though, I think e or TA might be the scum.
Back for a short bit before I go for the rest of the week.
I like a vote: 2.7 or a vote: TA right now. Don't like UoS. Geekrig (since no one is spelling your name right :P) seems more newbie town PR to me now than scum. Seprix...eh, he seems like me, in the "always scummy" category, and so seems just like normal.
Hell, why is e bad TA?
On phone. Just about to drive home from class. I will be there for the deadline.
I feel like we just need to pick two people and everyone decides between the two at this point. Although I don't know how the end of the first day of voting usually goes.
So, what is Faust's stance on e?I won't be around much longer unfortunately, which means I won't get to make a defense against faust's stance on me when he finally puts it out there. As far as I can tell he doesn't like my case on XP. Probably a bit more to it than that.
UoS, trust me for today. Tomorrow, I'll fullclaim, which I need to do in order to defend myself against your accusations.
Don't worry everyone, we will be sure to have 4 claimed cops by D3 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12817.msg490460#msg490460).
\vote: EFHW, UoS isn't getting lynched and that's an unacceptable lynch at this point.
I'm okay with going back to XP
Why I think XP is scum:
Out the gate, joking and excited. Votes me for "lurking" (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg506461#msg506461) 8 hours after the game starts and I haven't posted yet. Yeah, I am a safe RVS vote, water off my back, this isn't any reason to be scum.
Then the breadcrumbing post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg506462#msg506462). "maybe I should do some breadcrumbing." XP is obviously excited about his role and excited to be playing. This might actually go either way, now that I think about it. For now, I will say he is excited about being scum.
His PM might be "phrased similarly" (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg506954#msg506954)to chairs.
Nonchalant response (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507180#msg507180) to my original little case against him just referencing his playstyle as a defense.
His series of Lurker votes (on people who aren't actually lurking):
gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507182#msg507182)- "lurkers need to start talking"
chairs (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507196#msg507196)- "I was going to say that chairs's wagon wasn't so important I shouldn't pressure lurkers, but he's lurking too."
gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507397#msg507397)- "he looked the closest to being scummy (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507554#msg507554) of the lurkers."
He also votes Seprix (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507216#msg507216) because of the timing of when Seprix jumped on the XP wagon (4th vote). Which I think is scummy of him.
Then he talks about not bussing partners (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507614#msg507614). Seriously? This is a 17 person game. Scum can totally bus a partner this early in D1.
EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
And I'm seriously curious what any particular role claim could possibly have anything to do with this. I can't see anything that would have to do with the specifics of a PR in anything anyone is finding XP scummy for. Not inclined to move my vote.
I'd really like it if the people on e could give some more of their reasoning.
\sheepvote: EFHW
voting UoS at this point is so scummy. Trying to appear like you are giving reads and doing stuff, but totally useless right now and not taking a stand for anything.
@EFHW: Who is the best lynch?
a) Seprix
b) XP
c) e
d) hockey
That is where you should be voting. Anyone else is a wasted vote right now.
Speaking of wasted votes.....IG?
You do realize that I left your wagon (temporarily as it turns out), right? This is an empty reaction trying to appear like you are giving reads and doing stuff. Don't worry, I'm not going to waste my vote. vote: 2.7\sheepvote: EFHW
voting UoS at this point is so scummy. Trying to appear like you are giving reads and doing stuff, but totally useless right now and not taking a stand for anything.
@EFHW: Who is the best lynch?
a) Seprix
b) XP
c) e
d) hockey
That is where you should be voting. Anyone else is a wasted vote right now.
Speaking of wasted votes.....IG?
hockey is equivalent in viability to UoS in my mind. What are people doing on that wagon, and why haven't you given them the same grief you are giving me?
EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
And I'm seriously curious what any particular role claim could possibly have anything to do with this. I can't see anything that would have to do with the specifics of a PR in anything anyone is finding XP scummy for. Not inclined to move my vote.
I'd really like it if the people on e could give some more of their reasoning.
I don't think it's absurd. Having been quicklynched as town, I may have a certain sensitivity to it, but "com'n everyone, let's vote XP" followed by a bunch of votes after his wagon has been virtually empty for quite some time looks to me like a possible semi-organized with sheepers attempt to deflect from the current wagons. And before you tell me I'm not on a viable wagon, I thought I'd see if it would gain any traction, but will not stay there if it doesn't.
Dah. XP's only at like L-4 right now.
I don't think it is a pre-planned conspiracy, I think it was unnecessary and therefore possibly motivated by something other than scumhunting. Seprix is super-scummy, as you yourself have said emphatically, and my 2nd choice if it won't be e. Others were open to voting him as well. So why shift suddenly to XP?EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
And I'm seriously curious what any particular role claim could possibly have anything to do with this. I can't see anything that would have to do with the specifics of a PR in anything anyone is finding XP scummy for. Not inclined to move my vote.
I'd really like it if the people on e could give some more of their reasoning.
I don't think it's absurd. Having been quicklynched as town, I may have a certain sensitivity to it, but "com'n everyone, let's vote XP" followed by a bunch of votes after his wagon has been virtually empty for quite some time looks to me like a possible semi-organized with sheepers attempt to deflect from the current wagons. And before you tell me I'm not on a viable wagon, I thought I'd see if it would gain any traction, but will not stay there if it doesn't.
Scum also gets lynched like this though. And the reactions are always great for interaction looking back on later days.
But we've all been talking about how scummy XP is a lot of the day, just with only one or two people on the wagon at a time. It's never some conspiracy when a lynch like this goes through so much as a bunch of people preferring that to what they were seeing as the leading options before. I'm not saying there can't be scum on an XP wagon, I'm saying that you don't need some preplanned scum conspiracy. When a bunch of town don't like the wagons, new ones come up. Doesn't this happen all the time. Your reaction is way over the top.
And yeah, I absolutely don't want e lynched. I spent what little free time I had today rereading him, and found him townier, not scummier, on reread. People were jumping ship on Seprix, XP is scummy and a good alternate lynch.
The fact that you're at all surprised about this has me confused. And if XP flips scum, it has me very suspicious.
Stayed on Seprix for way too long because I didn't really see a better alternative
Why I think XP is scum:
Out the gate, joking and excited. Votes me for "lurking" (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg506461#msg506461) 8 hours after the game starts and I haven't posted yet. Yeah, I am a safe RVS vote, water off my back, this isn't any reason to be scum.
Then the breadcrumbing post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg506462#msg506462). "maybe I should do some breadcrumbing." XP is obviously excited about his role and excited to be playing. This might actually go either way, now that I think about it. For now, I will say he is excited about being scum.
His PM might be "phrased similarly" (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg506954#msg506954)to chairs.
Nonchalant response (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507180#msg507180) to my original little case against him just referencing his playstyle as a defense.
His series of Lurker votes (on people who aren't actually lurking):
gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507182#msg507182)- "lurkers need to start talking"
chairs (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507196#msg507196)- "I was going to say that chairs's wagon wasn't so important I shouldn't pressure lurkers, but he's lurking too."
gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507397#msg507397)- "he looked the closest to being scummy (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507554#msg507554) of the lurkers."
He also votes Seprix (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507216#msg507216) because of the timing of when Seprix jumped on the XP wagon (4th vote). Which I think is scummy of him.
Then he talks about not bussing partners (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13382.msg507614#msg507614). Seriously? This is a 17 person game. Scum can totally bus a partner this early in D1.
My original case on XP.
You know, the one he never defended or even acknowledged.
Sure, some of these things go either way. Town, scum, flip a coin. I did, and it landed on XP being scum. Nothing since I made this case has changed my mind. That last post I just quoted makes me even more convinced.
(Calm down, I didn't really flip a coin. I reread XP for what I thought was significant and shared it regardless of how it painted him. I found it painted a scummy picture.)
And the fact that you think there's been no scumhunting involved in people voting XP, but e is a better lynch somehow is ridiculous.
vote: e
I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.
End switches onto town are bad, even "I'll switch if it gets close".
I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.
You know third party is not town, right...?
Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
just realized that it is even better for town than that, he only wins if certain town are left, which means he doesn't want any town to be lynched. Am I understanding that right?
PPE
I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.
You know third party is not town, right...?
I guess I meant not scum then. I think e is town and XP is 3rd party. 3rd party doesn't hurt us at this point right? If his win condition requires a town person to be alive, doesn't that basically mean he wins if and only if town wins?
PPE
Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
The bolded part is confusing. How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?
ok thanks! What are all of the people on hockey doing? I don't want this to come down to a coin flip.
I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.
You know third party is not town, right...?
I guess I meant not scum then. I think e is town and XP is 3rd party. 3rd party doesn't hurt us at this point right? If his win condition requires a town person to be alive, doesn't that basically mean he wins if and only if town wins?
PPE
He could just as easily be lying about his win con. Keeping him alive doesn't help us; it doesn't make sense for you to lynch someone you think is town over third party.
in·am·o·ra·taLooks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
The bolded part is confusing. How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?
EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
I need to full claim to do that and I don't want to claim fully now.That's not a full claim, and as of just hearing the bit you gave us, I'm inclined to trust you less
Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
The bolded part is confusing. How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?
XP is one of two things:
1. He is a Lover.
2. He is not town. (This can be 3rd party or scum)
If the above is true, I might just reconsider my vote.He claimed 3rd party, which would be a terribly not smart thing to do as a town lover, as far as I'm aware
If the above is true, I might just reconsider my vote.He claimed 3rd party, which would be a terribly not smart thing to do as a town lover, as far as I'm aware
Lynching him doesn't tell us that much about other players though. Because both scum and town would vote for him. Unless he flips scum.I agree, but I think it's lynch him now or have him as a wildcard for the rest of the game.
PPE
you know what, vote: XP. 3rd parties are never good for town - I learned that the hard way with faust recently. And after day 1 it's very hard to lynch them b/c scum cases are stronger. We have no guarantee that there is a vig.
Lynching him doesn't tell us that much about other players though. Because both scum and town would vote for him. Unless he flips scum.
PPE
you know what, vote: XP. 3rd parties are never good for town - I learned that the hard way with faust recently. And after day 1 it's very hard to lynch them b/c scum cases are stronger. We have no guarantee that there is a vig.
I tend to agree with this. It reminds me of Eevee in Modern Community, as well.
I think I'm back on Vote: e actually. I agree that hockey's reaction wasn't scummy.
Was it you that suspected XP might be lying as town? Why did you think that?
Was it you that suspected XP might be lying as town? Why did you think that?
Was it you that suspected XP might be lying as town? Why did you think that?
Here is my thought process. When XP revealed his role, I formulated that either XP was a lover or 3rd party, which is usually anti-town. Scum would know this as well. So if XP was lying/3rd party, our lynch was okay. If we hit lover, that's not as bad as scum killing XP and getting two people instead, right?
Was it you that suspected XP might be lying as town? Why did you think that?
Here is my thought process. When XP revealed his role, I formulated that either XP was a lover or 3rd party, which is usually anti-town. Scum would know this as well. So if XP was lying/3rd party, our lynch was okay. If we hit lover, that's not as bad as scum killing XP and getting two people instead, right?
I think if you lynch a lover you still kill the other person.
faust, a rebellious skaa was killed in the night. There is a small hole through his chest and out his back. A bloody coin lays nearby.[/color]
faust, a rebellious skaa was killed in the night. There is a small hole through his chest and out his back. A bloody coin lays nearby.[/color]
Do people usually die by coin in Mistborn?
I don't understand why XP lied about being third party instead of just saying he was town. I'm not sure if the lynch would have been any different that way.
ok so that's just a mafia kill then?
I was just glancing over the first day and I'm pretty sure faust started the train on e.
vote: e
ok so that's just a mafia kill then?
I was just glancing over the first day and I'm pretty sure faust started the train on e.
vote: e
Was it you that suspected XP might be lying as town? Why did you think that?
Here is my thought process. When XP revealed his role, I formulated that either XP was a lover or 3rd party, which is usually anti-town. Scum would know this as well. So if XP was lying/3rd party, our lynch was okay. If we hit lover, that's not as bad as scum killing XP and getting two people instead, right?
Was it you that suspected XP might be lying as town? Why did you think that?
Here is my thought process. When XP revealed his role, I formulated that either XP was a lover or 3rd party, which is usually anti-town. Scum would know this as well. So if XP was lying/3rd party, our lynch was okay. If we hit lover, that's not as bad as scum killing XP and getting two people instead, right?
I'm a bit behind on this game. But with all these people voting e for that one post...I could see scum killing faust to try and frame e.
It's pretty much WIFOM to me.
What kind of person kills with a coin in mistborn?
I'm a bit behind on this game. But with all these people voting e for that one post...I could see scum killing faust to try and frame e.
It's pretty much WIFOM to me.
There's more of a case against e than anyone else. I suppose a case can be built on me here as well, but Faust did target e more than me, so I'm not sure.
I'm a bit behind on this game. But with all these people voting e for that one post...I could see scum killing faust to try and frame e.
It's pretty much WIFOM to me.
There's more of a case against e than anyone else. I suppose a case can be built on me here as well, but Faust did target e more than me, so I'm not sure.
So the new case on me: Faust thought I was scum, faust got NKed, I am scum.
But scum would never be that obvious, so clearly I am actually framed town.
But scum knew that town knew that scum would never be that obvious, so clearly I am scum.
I think the better explanation is that faust is consistently a good town player, he was active, useful, giving reads....all the things we want town to do. So scum killed him.
Seprix, in the time since this post, have you realized that the "him" in my sentence referred to XP, not to you?EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
You act like you've been watching me, but you clearly haven't, because
A. You ASKED me to lynch XP anyways
B. I've been wanting to lynch XP
C. I only switched from XP to you because you're kind of suspicious to me, but you're not really a D1 target so I admit that vote was spite
I think killing the guy that started the wagon on you is a little too obvious, especially for e.
Seprix coming out voting him is super suspicious. Well okay, the framing someone for the above is also a little obvious. I honestly don't know if Seprix would do it.
Sorry to bring this up, but it was bugging me all night.Seprix, in the time since this post, have you realized that the "him" in my sentence referred to XP, not to you?EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
You act like you've been watching me, but you clearly haven't, because
A. You ASKED me to lynch XP anyways
B. I've been wanting to lynch XP
C. I only switched from XP to you because you're kind of suspicious to me, but you're not really a D1 target so I admit that vote was spite
Hopefully we can change that to a hadn't instead of a haven't?Sorry to bring this up, but it was bugging me all night.Seprix, in the time since this post, have you realized that the "him" in my sentence referred to XP, not to you?EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
You act like you've been watching me, but you clearly haven't, because
A. You ASKED me to lynch XP anyways
B. I've been wanting to lynch XP
C. I only switched from XP to you because you're kind of suspicious to me, but you're not really a D1 target so I admit that vote was spite
No. I haven't.
Sorry to bring this up, but it was bugging me all night.Seprix, in the time since this post, have you realized that the "him" in my sentence referred to XP, not to you?EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.
You act like you've been watching me, but you clearly haven't, because
A. You ASKED me to lynch XP anyways
B. I've been wanting to lynch XP
C. I only switched from XP to you because you're kind of suspicious to me, but you're not really a D1 target so I admit that vote was spiteQuoteI'm obviously reading your posts with a lot more attention than you're reading mine, and that comment in particular got me mad when I read it.
I don't think that is very fair. your post is ambiguous read in a vacuum.
I think killing the guy that started the wagon on you is a little too obvious, especially for e.
Seprix coming out voting him is super suspicious. Well okay, the framing someone for the above is also a little obvious. I honestly don't know if Seprix would do it.
Why wouldn't Seprix do it as scum? Isn't that the reasoning behind his case on e, such as it is?
Hopefully we can change that to a hadn't instead of a haven't?
You seem to have some sort of feeling of persecution with regards to me. I'm obviously reading your posts with a lot more attention than you're reading mine, and that comment in particular got me mad when I read it.
I don't want us to turn into the next Faust and Ichi. Yes, I'm a bit aggressive. It feels like you're taking it personally here though. That post wasn't even about you, and even if it was, asking you to switch your vote to someone you've been wanting to vote for is how wagon building works, it doesn't mean I have to suddenly be sure you're town. It just means I'm not sure you're scum.
If you're town, this weird pseudo-fight has me worried it could become a thing, and I want to clear the air about it now. (I don't really want to post any more about this if this is enough so you see what I'm trying to say, and it'd be better if we don't derail too much, but just feel this needs saying.)
It's a game. I don't take anything personally.
XP gambit was okay play I think. I'm not sure if I had pursued the lynch after his claim.
Vote: TwistedArcher
He makes a point to not change his vote, keeping the vote random. If e and XP are both town, scum!TA doesn't really care which one of them is getting lynched. He comments that he thinks XP is lying, but he keeps his vote on e.
Even if he's hung up on e, he could have made this non-random and chose not to. I don't think town!TA would choose to let a role he thinks is lying and really an anti-town 3rd party live with a 50% chance because he's tunnelling.
And he doesn't think so either, because after EFHW hammers, he feels the need to chime in that he would have done so and that she's right.
He seems way too apathetic about letting the lynching of a non-town role come down to chance when he comes in, and then it looks like he doesn't want to be seen as willing to let it come down to chance after the fact.
I think the most likely option is that Faust was killed because he was the top town player that didn't put any pressure on any scum. So... Who would be the top townie player? Well, probably no one. Some people even thought Faust was scum. I think this was a perfect moment for scum to NK a threat.
I think the most likely option is that Faust was killed because he was the top town player that didn't put any pressure on any scum. So... Who would be the top townie player? Well, probably no one. Some people even thought Faust was scum. I think this was a perfect moment for scum to NK a threat.
I'm basically the only one who thought Faust was scum. He was one of the widest town reads. Most other players had more suspicion than Faust, or were lurking.
Scum don't need to kill lurkers, and the rest of town probably had more mislynch potential. Probably no one was going to join me on Faust.
Using Faust's NK as a case on e is extremely thin.
faust NK isn't strange... and you don't need WIFOM to explain it.Who said it was strange?
I just wanted to know if that was just a standard kill, or if it meant something else, like a vigilante kill etc. Like if one of the good guys in the books always kills with coins or something.ok so that's just a mafia kill then?
I was just glancing over the first day and I'm pretty sure faust started the train on e.
vote: e
What do you mean, just a Mafia kill?
I'd actually tend to think that killing someone with a coin is less related to any characters that would be considered scum.
There's only like one I can think of.
I'd actually tend to think that killing someone with a coin is less related to any characters that would be considered scum.
There's only like one I can think of.
Although faust doesn't seem like a vigilante kill (vig? is that the right abbreviation?) because only one person thought he was mafia.
I'd actually tend to think that killing someone with a coin is less related to any characters that would be considered scum.
There's only like one I can think of.
Although faust doesn't seem like a vigilante kill (vig? is that the right abbreviation?) because only one person thought he was mafia.
And I'll go ahead and claim right now that I did not vig Faust.
(The real question is whether you pronounce it vig like "pig" or vig like "vigil". I'm a fan of the hard 'i' sound myself.)
I'd actually tend to think that killing someone with a coin is less related to any characters that would be considered scum.
There's only like one I can think of.
Although faust doesn't seem like a vigilante kill (vig? is that the right abbreviation?) because only one person thought he was mafia.
And I'll go ahead and claim right now that I did not vig Faust.
(The real question is whether you pronounce it vig like "pig" or vig like "vigil". I'm a fan of the hard 'i' sound myself.)
definitely like "pig" (imho)
Why are you claiming here? B/c you were the only one to suspect faust?
I agree about the nk not having any bearing on whether e is scum or not.
Faust is a vig kill? Why are we even considering this? If this is true, then one of two things must happen.
1. Someone roleblocked scum.
2. Scum decided to not lynch D1 for a reason.
Do any of these make any probable sense?
Faust is a vig kill? Why are we even considering this? If this is true, then one of two things must happen.
1. Someone roleblocked scum.
2. Scum decided to not lynch D1 for a reason.
Do any of these make any probable sense?
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I was trying to head off a useless line of inquiry so we wouldn't get distracted.
When there's 1 NK, on a person 99% of the players were townreading, it's almost always a scum NK.
There is one player who hypothetically would have vigged him (me).
Thinking that I would move us along faster, I said that I didn't vig him, therefore it's a scum NK as Occam's Razor would predict.
No one reads my post.
Talk more about what it means that he was a vig kill.
Could type 1000 words about this, but thought the picture expressed my feelings better.
1. mail-miAlways Lurky Pass2. Ichimaru GinEmotional Pass4. EgorKSympathy Pass5. 2.7Likes giving passes pass7. HydradAlways Scummy Pass9. ChairsTownsilp Pass11. hockeysemianNew Player Pass12. SeprixAlways Scummy Pass13. TwistedArcherSympathy Pass14. XerxesPraelorEarly Wagon Pass15. gkrieg13Against Tradition16. EFHWPass for giving me an award17. UmbrageOfSnowPass for being myself.
I'm as good as lynched today. I'm just accepting it, really. I guess better luck next time for me.
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I don't know, but will sheep you
vote: TA
I like the analysis, and I thought he was scummy yesterday. His voting history just doesn't add up as town in my opinion.
Vote: TwistedArcher
He makes a point to not change his vote, keeping the vote random. If e and XP are both town, scum!TA doesn't really care which one of them is getting lynched. He comments that he thinks XP is lying, but he keeps his vote on e.
Even if he's hung up on e, he could have made this non-random and chose not to. I don't think town!TA would choose to let a role he thinks is lying and really an anti-town 3rd party live with a 50% chance because he's tunnelling.
And he doesn't think so either, because after EFHW hammers, he feels the need to chime in that he would have done so and that she's right.
He seems way too apathetic about letting the lynching of a non-town role come down to chance when he comes in, and then it looks like he doesn't want to be seen as willing to let it come down to chance after the fact.
I like Vote: EFHW the best.
Interesting.I have been summoned.
Interesting.I have been summoned.
I like Vote: EFHW the best.
Explain?
Also. Hi mail-mi. Have you reread what you missed?
Sorry, super busy and stuff. We can't let this game fall behind though.
Right now I think TA is super scummy. His defense is very one dimensional and ignored why I find him scummy from D1. Also, if "UoS's case depends on me being town" you imply that you think I am scum, but won't vote for me because you will just look worse tomorrow after my flip
your case continues to be "i decided TA is scum, so let's point out every action of his as scummy whether thinking its scummy or not". you are super scummy.
your case continues to be "i decided TA is scum, so let's point out every action of his as scummy whether thinking its scummy or not". you are super scummy.
This is basically your case on e though.
And yeah, posting begets posting, and lurking begets lurking. There's not a lot to go on, so people are posting less, so other people post even less.
Which lurkers are you most nervous about?
your case continues to be "i decided TA is scum, so let's point out every action of his as scummy whether thinking its scummy or not". you are super scummy.
This is basically your case on e though.
And yeah, posting begets posting, and lurking begets lurking. There's not a lot to go on, so people are posting less, so other people post even less.
Which lurkers are you most nervous about?
IG: slightly scummy. Has been super lurky and seems to just sheep people. That might just be because he is busy though. He also switches his vote from Seprix to WW and then unvotes. This looks to me like it was just a clever way to get off of the Seprix wagon and wait for another big wagon to appear that wasn't scum.Yeah. I have been super busy lately. Actually, as soon as my current games are completed, I probably won't be in Mafia for a while. Just don't have time like I used to. I really like to be high activity when I play, but that just hasn't been in the cards for me lately.
IG: slightly scummy. Has been super lurky and seems to just sheep people. That might just be because he is busy though. He also switches his vote from Seprix to WW and then unvotes. This looks to me like it was just a clever way to get off of the Seprix wagon and wait for another big wagon to appear that wasn't scum.Yeah. I have been super busy lately. Actually, as soon as my current games are completed, I probably won't be in Mafia for a while. Just don't have time like I used to. I really like to be high activity when I play, but that just hasn't been in the cards for me lately.
The thing with WW is just a trope of my play where I (used to) OMGUS people all the time and vote them just because they found me scummy. You're right that I didn't go back to Seprix afterwards, so I could see how it could be interpreted the way you did. Just wanted to explain the history behind it.
I'd honestly rather lynch Ghacob/Mail-mi/Ichi/EgorK/Hydrad/Hockey/Gkrieg. Thats just the people off the top of my head, WW and EFHW have been lurkier too.
Hmm so right now its basically TA vs e?
I'm fine with either right now. I guess I lean a bit on the TA side for voting though.
Hmm so right now its basically TA vs e?
I'm fine with either right now. I guess I lean a bit on the TA side for voting though.
If we weren't going to lynch TA or e, who would you vote for?
we are not that far from deadline.
Isn't winning more fun than lurking?
we are not that far from deadline.
We have about less than 4 days. Why are you trying to put a sense of urgency to this?
we are not that far from deadline.
We have about less than 4 days. Why are you trying to put a sense of urgency to this?
Because we have less than 4 days. That seems very very short to me.
Anything in particular I should be rereading?
e, TA, UoS, Ghacob, and HokeySounds about right, I'll return at some point
I've been stuck in that terrible dillemma where I've gone far too long without posting, but I also don't have any new insights to post about, which I guess is what rereading is good for
I'll do that thene, TA, UoS, Ghacob, and HokeySounds about right, I'll return at some point
EFHW: Thanks! That must have been a lot of work, but now we can finally see where you're coming from.
I don't agree because your basic points about not liking e's logic don't apply for me: I understand and agree with e on most of the places you didn't understand what e was getting at (with the exception of the 1-scum-1-town thing, which is what the case on e boils down to from where I'm sitting, which I don't find nearly enough, but now can see why you do.)
The Hockey and Geekrig wagons that half-started did stand out as terrible to me too, and XP looked pretty scummy to me. Rather than argue individual points though, you and TA are thinking a lot of this from a meta POV:
Could you or TA suggest a scum game of e's that you think goes with what you're getting at? And e, could you suggest a town game of yours I could look at?
EFHW: Thanks! That must have been a lot of work, but now we can finally see where you're coming from.
I don't agree because your basic points about not liking e's logic don't apply for me: I understand and agree with e on most of the places you didn't understand what e was getting at (with the exception of the 1-scum-1-town thing, which is what the case on e boils down to from where I'm sitting, which I don't find nearly enough, but now can see why you do.)
The Hockey and Geekrig wagons that half-started did stand out as terrible to me too, and XP looked pretty scummy to me. Rather than argue individual points though, you and TA are thinking a lot of this from a meta POV:
Could you or TA suggest a scum game of e's that you think goes with what you're getting at? And e, could you suggest a town game of yours I could look at?
what, where have i done this? i think i have definitely pointed out individual points d1 rather than making this a meta argument. please point out where i did this
Sweet Donald X.
To clarify, I am NOT making a meta argument. That would mean I was thinking about past games and comparing his posts this game to those. I'm looking just at what he has said and done in this game, and pointing out some patterns that I think indicate he is mafia.
I'm not sure what you are referring to about the hockey wagon, that came up only peripherally in my post.
To clarify, I am NOT making a meta argument. That would mean I was thinking about past games and comparing his posts this game to those. I'm looking just at what he has said and done in this game, and pointing out some patterns that I think indicate he is mafia.
I'm not sure what you are referring to about the hockey wagon, that came up only peripherally in my post.
I was under the impression you were considering his past games when looking at all his posts there. Sorry then.
In a vacuum then, no I don't think e is scummy.
I do know what meta means. You guys are acting like it's a dirty word. It isn't.
I've been stuck in that terrible dillemma where I've gone far too long without posting, but I also don't have any new insights to post about, which I guess is what rereading is good for
I'll do that thene, TA, UoS, Ghacob, and HokeySounds about right, I'll return at some point
This. I can't say anything more than "lynch e", so well.. that's what I say. I really think that is the best idea, right now.
Upon EFHWs reread his playstyle is very similar to scum!e in hearthstone, especially the whiteknighting bit. I think this is the most solide lynch we're going to get.
maybe this post is what got you thinking meta.
If either of you want to lay out what exactly the patterns are in a short list, that might be more clear?
The level of hostility is seriously uncalled for by the way.
PPE: Thanks for getting nicer.
So, almost all of this case is based on how you read him. His votes have not been particularly scummy. There's no one he seems obviously partnered with. But to me, 2.7 reads as 1. overly defensive and 2. overly cavalier about deciding XP must be scum. Also, his arguments several times didn't make sense to me, when usually I find him pretty coherent. I also feel like he overdid trying to look towny. Finally, I think he is doing a lot of white knighting - his consistent defenses of certain people makes me wonder if he picked ahead of time who would be his townreads, and who would be his scumreads.
So, almost all of this case is based on how you read him. His votes have not been particularly scummy. There's no one he seems obviously partnered with. But to me, 2.7 reads as 1. overly defensive and 2. overly cavalier about deciding XP must be scum. Also, his arguments several times didn't make sense to me, when usually I find him pretty coherent. I also feel like he overdid trying to look towny. Finally, I think he is doing a lot of white knighting - his consistent defenses of certain people makes me wonder if he picked ahead of time who would be his townreads, and who would be his scumreads.
In the hope that this gets some people involved, if only through public shaming and bullying...
Seprix 117 posts*
UmbrageOfSnow 104 posts*
--------Not Going Overboard Line--------
hockeysemian 74 posts
silverspawn 72 posts
2.7 65 posts
EFHW 64 posts
TwistedArcher 58 posts
Witherweaver 56 posts
gkrieg13 51 posts
-------Semi-Arbitrary Shame Line-------
Ichimaru Gin 36 posts
EgorK 34 posts
Chairs 32 posts
Hydrad 26 posts
------Oh, He's In This game Line?-------
Ghacob 19 posts
mail-mi 12 posts
* Users with over 100 posts are more likely to have errors since I was doing this quickly and had to count rather than subtract pregame posts from the find results.
I know Mail-mi was V/LA, but still calling him out. A lot of those 12 are fluff.
In the hope that this gets some people involved, if only through public shaming and bullying...
Seprix 117 posts*
UmbrageOfSnow 104 posts*
--------Not Going Overboard Line--------
hockeysemian 74 posts
silverspawn 72 posts
2.7 65 posts
EFHW 64 posts
TwistedArcher 58 posts
Witherweaver 56 posts
gkrieg13 51 posts
-------Semi-Arbitrary Shame Line-------
Ichimaru Gin 36 posts
EgorK 34 posts
Chairs 32 posts
Hydrad 26 posts
------Oh, He's In This game Line?-------
Ghacob 19 posts
mail-mi 12 posts
* Users with over 100 posts are more likely to have errors since I was doing this quickly and had to count rather than subtract pregame posts from the find results.
I know Mail-mi was V/LA, but still calling him out. A lot of those 12 are fluff.
Of the people below the shame line, it seems like many of them are being active in other games, at least as far as I am reading other games.
(That said, "is active elsewhere in the forum" seems more generic and fine).
I'm getting more and more quiet because I see no reason to change my vote. I want someone from the XP-wagon and I really read this as scum!e in this game. I can't see any other case that is interesting enough, we are still in some kind of random mode where there is few things to really take a stand on. I want this lynch to happen and won't push the game in any other direction just for the cause to be active..
I'm getting more and more quiet because I see no reason to change my vote. I want someone from the XP-wagon and I really read this as scum!e in this game. I can't see any other case that is interesting enough, we are still in some kind of random mode where there is few things to really take a stand on. I want this lynch to happen and won't push the game in any other direction just for the cause to be active..
I'm getting more and more quiet because I see no reason to change my vote. I want someone from the XP-wagon and I really read this as scum!e in this game. I can't see any other case that is interesting enough, we are still in some kind of random mode where there is few things to really take a stand on. I want this lynch to happen and won't push the game in any other direction just for the cause to be active..
Still, do you have thoughts on others? Game won't end after D2 (at least I hope so)
.... 6 out of 15 players (Ichi, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, mail-mi) don't have any votes down today at all. I don't know why TA isn't on e, but he's at least taken stances on things. Not so for the others.
We only have 2 days left in the day. Lurking is AMAZING for scum here, especially if e, TA, and I are all town. Then it'll be like 3 mislynches and 3 night kills into the game and no one will have any reads on anyone else and scum will have never had to commit to an uncomfortable position or do anything that might link them to each other or endanger their partners.
So many of the active players are just caught up on e, (and I'm guilty of this too) that lynching e might just be what needs to happen to move us on. It'll certainly make the end of D1 wagons more informative. But I think e's town, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let us lynch town without at least making more town or scum commit to either lynching or not, no matter how informative.
[b\]unvote[/b].:o :D
Welp. Sorry I'm still so low activity. I have finals next week...so I'll have more time after that. I should be around a bit this weekend as well.
Err...
unvote.
Err...
unvote.
I don't think you were voting in the first place.
Because I don't know who to vote for right now.Welp. Sorry I'm still so low activity. I have finals next week...so I'll have more time after that. I should be around a bit this weekend as well.
Why aren't you voting?
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
People not voting/on wagons by themselves:
IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg
I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.
I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK. It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
People not voting/on wagons by themselves:
IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg
I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.
I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK. It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
People not voting/on wagons by themselves:
IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg
I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.
I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK. It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!
this feels odd.
why 2 town or 2 scum?
is it only those 2 options? or is town/scum possible also.
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
this is my fear. i have a scumread on e. but if he's town this is exactly how i'd expect d2 to play out. and it makes me want to lynch a lurker, esp one who jumped on either myself or e with flimsy reasoning. time to go see who that is
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
this is my fear. i have a scumread on e. but if he's town this is exactly how i'd expect d2 to play out. and it makes me want to lynch a lurker, esp one who jumped on either myself or e with flimsy reasoning. time to go see who that is
I know you are agreeing with me, but this feels scummy.
I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon. This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town. The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself. If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.
this is my fear. i have a scumread on e. but if he's town this is exactly how i'd expect d2 to play out. and it makes me want to lynch a lurker, esp one who jumped on either myself or e with flimsy reasoning. time to go see who that is
I know you are agreeing with me, but this feels scummy.
sorry? i hope you're not falling into the trap that when i phone post it reads scummy,cuz i know that is a thing.
I think vote: mail-mi right now. I feel he has been very lurky and I haven't been getting a town vibe from him recently. I'm not that excited about the current wagons though. I think there are better lynches.
Post!
Let's tryy...
vote: chairs
Hey, sorry for the suspense. It mostly wasn't intentional. I paused to see if Egork would say anything yesterday, then my day got mostly taken up by nonsense and distractions until I had to go home and only browse through the gf's phone.
I'll be on today until 3 hours before deadline, after that I can still make small posts from said not-my-phone until deadline if votes need changing.
EgorK coming up.
About chairs - idk. It can be real, it can be fabricated, even if fabricated, it can be for both alignments
Re: Chairs. The thing I find most problematic about the "slip" is that he mentions "Suvivor-aligned". And yet the standard VT PM does not say that town is "Survivor-aligned". That's what makes it look bad in my opinion.QuoteWelcome to Mistborn Mafia, XXXXXXX. You are a Rebellious Skaa (Vanilla Townie).
The Survivor's speeches have gotten to you. You feel invincible, ready to overthrow evil and free your people. You'll just have to be very convincing...
You have no powers at night. Your vote is your only weapon.
You win when all threats to the Survivor are defeated.
Good enough to vote: chairs
Vote: chairs in before someone says there is no such thing as scum slip
Also guys making too much out of Seprix making too much out of chairs then town slip
Also that was rather strange vote on faust from XP. I just don't follow the reasoning
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.
Vote: hockeysemlan
...I really should be posting more, I should stop acting like how I did my first game, feeling as if I have no content, and not wanting to post because I feel like I have no content
I'm convinced, it's time to be an active member
oh man 1 day!That's L-2 right?
Vote: Egork
I'll also be around for deadline.
oh man 1 day!That's L-2 right?
Vote: Egork
I'll also be around for deadline.
EFHW has been a good wagon at exactly no point today.agreed, I put him there earlier, too.
We should really be thinking of WW as in the non-voting camp.
And finally, I'm really not a fan of the way EgorK studiously says nothing about my vote on him. Not addressing it at all, while posting a bunch to suddenly lurk less.
I like Vote: EFHW the best.
Also, Silverspawn: what was the problem with my Seprix vote?
vote: e
interested to hear more about egork though.
mail-mi's townread on e seems very constructed to me.
scummy
Umbrage
Had a lot of thoughts, still unorganized, the good news is that I am convinced by Umbrage, the best case I've seen, much better than what are basically my feelings on things
vote: egork
So we have 50 minutes left? And 5 people with votes where they won't really matter.No, we have a day.
So we have 50 minutes left? And 5 people with votes where they won't really matter.No, we have a day.
scummy
Umbrage
Had a lot of thoughts, still unorganized, the good news is that I am convinced by Umbrage, the best case I've seen, much better than what are basically my feelings on things
vote: egork
Why are you voting along with your top scum read? Don't you think his case would be on town if he's scum?
Ghacob's being inconsistent. Add him to my top lynches today.
If we're going to lynch a lurker/non-voter I would like to try Ghacob. He might be less Active due to IRL-reasons, but this isn't how I remember him play as town.. this is the perfect game to be newb!scum on.
vote: ghacob will switch if necessary, but trying this out.
I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than EgorK if we're picking lurkers. I'm not super convinced by UoS' re-read on EgorK, it doesn't seem like there's all that much there.
I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than EgorK if we're picking lurkers. I'm not super convinced by UoS' re-read on EgorK, it doesn't seem like there's all that much there.
I think there's a lot of merit in EgorK, and Mail-Mi's defection to try and distract from EgorK by attacking Ghacob seems a bit fishy, so if EgorK is scum, my next votr will probably be on Mail-Mi.
So basically it's
1: Inconsistent behavior regarding the language of chairs' PM. I don't think he knows what a town PM looks like.
2: Tendency to jump on wagons at opportunistic moments to give them momentum while just sheeping the people making them.
3: Not seeming to follow one train of logic, willing to sheep me on Faust being scum and sheep Faust on Hockey being scum shortly thereafter. Without any real resolution to the earlier thing, and on a pretty damn weak case. I don't think he has any real reads. He's just sheeping people who start wagons.
4: HARDCORE lurking (including before and after his hospitalization. Sorry you're sick by the way.)
5: Lots of his actual posts are content-free
I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.
Mail-mi, your re-read would give me the impression you've been voting for E all day, but you've actually been voting for me the entire day.
Oops, posted before I could comment. But mail-mi definitely has a history of finding scum reads through re-reads on people who have already been targeted as scummy.
scummy
Umbrage
Had a lot of thoughts, still unorganized, the good news is that I am convinced by Umbrage, the best case I've seen, much better than what are basically my feelings on things
vote: egork
Why are you voting along with your top scum read? Don't you think his case would be on town if he's scum?
Ghacob's being inconsistent. Add him to my top lynches today.
This reads super super phony to me. This and getting his D2 vote mixed up are both red flags to me.
I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.
Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.
I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.
Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.
implications clearI don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.
Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.
The only one? Are you trying to distract from 2.7?
For clarity:
2.7 (4): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn, TA
TwistedArcher (2): 2.7, mail-mi
EFHW (1): witherweaver
EgorK(6):. UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, Geek Rig, Hydrad (L-2)
Not Voting (3): IG, EgorK
For clarity:
2.7 (4): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn, TA
TwistedArcher (2): 2.7, mail-mi
EFHW (1): witherweaver
EgorK(6):. UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, Geek Rig, Hydrad (L-2)
Not Voting (3): IG, EgorK
Posting this as a general view of things come end of D2. This is not a 100% accurate reflection due to people switching around, but it's a good start. People pushing the EgorK wagon are chairs, Ghacob, gkraig, Hydrad, myself, and the last two people to hammer, being e and an unknown person who ashersky forgot to mention.
D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
Yes, I am correct. Unless Ash didn't mess up, and it was some role where it was easier to get lynched?
Probably a secret voter because he still said it took 8 to lynch. I'm surprised that only VTs have died thus far seeing as it's RMM.Yes, I am correct. Unless Ash didn't mess up, and it was some role where it was easier to get lynched?
ya. And since it didn't happen D1 I feel like it might be a PR. Maybe makes someone hated or something.
I could also be like a secret voter or something but then I don't know why it didn't happen day 1.
I am currently looking at the major wagons that did not manifest themselves into lynches, which consist of Twisted Archer and e.
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.
D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
completely lost track of this game. But hey, I was on e, so I'm obv!town now.
hopefully gonna catch up at some point.
Can't say more on that yet, but this is why I'm not active much so far Today.today as in Sunday, or today as in Day 3?
I have a question for the mod pending.
For reference:Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
I would not advise on holding up for rereads/etc. My pending data is, frankly, a minor concern - I basically just want to confirm my power usage PM was received as I sent it during the N2 action window but never received a reply.
Vote Count 1.15:
XP (8): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW
D2 Final Vote Count:EgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Well, I wasn't expecting to hammer there at L-1.Vote Count 1.15:
XP (8): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW
So this is the L-1 wagon on XP. Either the double vote thing didn't happen D1 or none of these people have the double vote.
Then the wagon yesterday:D2 Final Vote Count:EgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Would seem to imply that gkrieg or Hydrad are the double vote people. Unless it isn't a "dboule vote" but a "secret vote" that can go anywhere they want it to go and they had it elsewhere on D1.
I don't know, but right now I want to seriously look at gkrieg and hydrad as the top two lynch candidates.
Well, I wasn't expecting to hammer there at L-1.Vote Count 1.15:
XP (8): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW
So this is the L-1 wagon on XP. Either the double vote thing didn't happen D1 or none of these people have the double vote.
Then the wagon yesterday:D2 Final Vote Count:EgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Would seem to imply that gkrieg or Hydrad are the double vote people. Unless it isn't a "dboule vote" but a "secret vote" that can go anywhere they want it to go and they had it elsewhere on D1.
I don't know, but right now I want to seriously look at gkrieg and hydrad as the top two lynch candidates.
I will claim right now that I don't have any double vote powers. I think that it was a secret vote, because that just seems more likely to me in this case, seeing as it was used to lynch town. A town double voter would probably make it known that their vote counts double because then no one accidentally hammers right?
I've skimmed the thread some. Why is it that people think someone on the wagon has a double-vote though? Isn't it just as likely (perhaps even moreso) that EgorK was hated?
I've skimmed the thread some. Why is it that people think someone on the wagon has a double-vote though? Isn't it just as likely (perhaps even moreso) that EgorK was hated?
I think it is because it said there were 8 votes on EgorK instead of 7
Good pointI will claim right now that I don't have any double vote powers. I think that it was a secret vote, because that just seems more likely to me in this case, seeing as it was used to lynch town. A town double voter would probably make it known that their vote counts double because then no one accidentally hammers right?
And then promptly be wiped out the next available night?
There was nothing in EgorK's flip to say he was hated. If he was hated, then that is scum making him hated. Modifier's like hated should appear in a flip.
Either way, scum has the ability to lynch people at L-1. Whether that is by secret vote, double vote, or making people hated, we need to be careful with L-1
For reference:Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
e looks bad, Ghacob looks bad, and there will be one scum who wants to not be on wagons who can be SS or TA honestly.I feel like mail-mi looks scummier than ss. I agree with you about e and Ghacob and TA though.
There was nothing in EgorK's flip to say he was hated. If he was hated, then that is scum making him hated. Modifier's like hated should appear in a flip.
Either way, scum has the ability to lynch people at L-1. Whether that is by secret vote, double vote, or making people hated, we need to be careful with L-1
Scum has the double vote ability? Where's your proof?
SS is lurking so hard right now. Like seriously. He's been online all day and has only posted once. He hasn't been doing ANY scum hunting which he usually does as town. Actually, I really like an SS lynch today.
Vote: SS
SS is lurking so hard right now. Like seriously. He's been online all day and has only posted once. He hasn't been doing ANY scum hunting which he usually does as town. Actually, I really like an SS lynch today.
Vote: SS
The lurking for a day part I think is an unfair thing to judge on. If its more like hardcore lurking or like multiple days hes away thats fine but I don't feel like you should put to much into it if you see someone online and not posting.
SS is lurking so hard right now. Like seriously. He's been online all day and has only posted once. He hasn't been doing ANY scum hunting which he usually does as town. Actually, I really like an SS lynch today.
Vote: SS
Seprix:
Has been way to active for me to put all of his posts. I think his day one reaction to everyone voting him is extremely defensive. He also never really gives a good explanation for why he votes me. He seems to get on every single large wagon that comes up. His wagon on the first day is a mix of people who were on-wagon both days and off-wagon both days. His response (580) to TA wanting a link to a mafia game of his seems VERY scummy to me. he also buddies e back. Says he doesn't like the e lynch at all and then, to me, tries everything he can to make sure it doesn't go through. His wagon also splits in two different ways, which seems to me like he had scum on his wagon as well as town.
Assuming there are 4 mafia (I read somewhere that that was about the amount there should be in a game this size). Here is my current reads list, where I try to have exactly 4 scum reads.
All of my reasons start after page 8 (that's where I started re-reading)
SCUM:
mail-mi: votes for Faust(301) is just sheeping UoS.
votes me (354) saying I'm with the wagoners here even though he is second on the wagon.
talk of him sheeping UoS earlier (page 10 if 50 posts per page)
does a quick reads list, if you can even call it that (642).
comes back (888)
says he will do a reread (914)
again says he will reread (966)
his response to my vote on him is that he is just like that when he is town (1008)
says he is starting reread of day 2 (1040)
next 7? posts are his, saying that he mainly has null reads
(1045) makes a good point about Ghacob voting along with his top scum read
(1050) votes Ghacob, with a pretty good reason in my opinion
(1065 - 1067) the last post seems scummy to me. Just saying that TA was wrong in his read on him.
(1099) votes Ghacob again.
(1132) changes his vote to ss, maybe just for pressure.
So it seems like he hasn't really been doing that much scum hunting, but just giving 2 people that he thinks might be scum. His posts seem more like fluff to me, and only one of his votes seems to have a solid reasoning (Ghacob). His reactions to other people voting him seems very defensive to me.
If people don't like my logic, how about putting together your own list of who the scum team is.
If people don't like my logic, how about putting together your own list of who the scum team is.
I just did. And there's little point finding out who everyone is until we hit one, because then we have something to compare.
So should I vote lurker!SS or scummy!gkrieg?
preference over policy, therefore
vote: gkrieg13
So should I vote lurker!SS or scummy!gkrieg?
preference over policy, therefore
vote: gkrieg13
I think that geekrig is pretty townie, do you have a reason?
So many scummy people..
Seprix, Ghacob, e and a fourth one I can't see yet is the scumteam I see this far.. someone of these got to go today!
Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Excellent. It also seems reasonable to assume IG is scum, since he did not vote publicly, barely said anything, etc.
Is there a scenario where IG is not scum?
Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Excellent. It also seems reasonable to assume IG is scum, since he did not vote publicly, barely said anything, etc.
Is there a scenario where IG is not scum?
Yeah, he could just be lurker town. I don't think my case is like super solid or anything, are you sold on him being scum solely because of the hidden voter possibility? Or because of other reasons?
SS has been more absent than is usual for him. I'll join in vote: SS if only for pressure.
Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Excellent. It also seems reasonable to assume IG is scum, since he did not vote publicly, barely said anything, etc.
Is there a scenario where IG is not scum?
Yeah, he could just be lurker town. I don't think my case is like super solid or anything, are you sold on him being scum solely because of the hidden voter possibility? Or because of other reasons?
-He's lurking. As town, he tends to talk more.
-Why use hidden vote over a normal vote? It's almost like IG was late on wagon and wanted this to happen, or waited around, or something. I don't understand why town!IG would use his vote here, for example.
There's also the possibility of IG not being the secret voter. I'm certainly not.
Ok so I wanted to look at the wagons from a role/theory perspective to see what could have happened with the wagon yesterday. He didn't flip hated so I'm assuming that isn't true, although I suppose it's not impossible there's a scum hater-fier or something like that who made EgorK hated N1. But that seems unlikely enough to completely discredit.
Here's the D2 final vote count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaver
EgorK (8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
People who could doublevote:
Seprix, Chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
People who could be hidden voters:
IG
Vote count 2.7 shows everyone but 2.7 (haha!) on wagon, so if any of these people are double voters, they got to do it only at the end of the day. So it's an active day power rather than a passive day power if these people are scum.
Vote count 2.5 shows 2.7 on me with the normal amount of votes.
Ichi did not vote once yesterday.
Ichi WAS on wagon D1. So this would be consistent with the theory that he's a hidden voter when he's off wagon.
Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
SS has been more absent than is usual for him. I'll join in vote: SS if only for pressure.
Anyone else want to join me in thinking mail-mi is scum? Please?
SS has been more absent than is usual for him. I'll join in vote: SS if only for pressure.
Anyone else want to join me in thinking mail-mi is scum? Please?
I'll sheep that. Vote: Seprix.
I'm not sure I've ever been in a game where someone has a doublevote, but is it more likely to be a scum ability than town?
It seems waaaaaaay more useful for scum than town though. Actually, the wiki seems to weight it more as a town role though.
It also brought up some stuff that I hadn't considered, like the two votes could be made independently with one of them being secret. So the extra vote could theoretically come from someone who was off the EgorK wagon it seems. I wonder about the syntatic implications of that on the vote counts though...
I think one of the earlier major wagons should be lynched today though. So I guess that's e, or Seprix. I actually thought that list would be a lot longer.
PPE Seprix: I don't think it was a double voter. I think the secret voter is scum and forced the EgorK lynch because e is scum and they were trying to save him.
vote: IG
I think one of the earlier major wagons should be lynched today though. So I guess that's e, or Seprix. I actually thought that list would be a lot longer.
PPE Seprix: I don't think it was a double voter. I think the secret voter is scum and forced the EgorK lynch because e is scum and they were trying to save him.
I think one of the earlier major wagons should be lynched today though. So I guess that's e, or Seprix. I actually thought that list would be a lot longer.
PPE Seprix: I don't think it was a double voter. I think the secret voter is scum and forced the EgorK lynch because e is scum and they were trying to save him.
Yeah, I figured. So if it's not a double voter, there's just no possible way to know who it is. Maybe it's even e. But it's interesting scum did not use it D1. So I wonder if town has it after all and they believed in scum!EgorK over scum!e, or whether the secret vote is a 1-shot or 2-shot.
Vote Count 2.5:
2.7 (4): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn, TA
TwistedArcher (3): 2.7, Seprix, mail-mi
EFHW (1): witherweaver
mail-mi (1): gkrieg13
EgorK(1):. UoS
Not Voting (5): IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, chairs
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on July 17 at 9:00 p.m.
D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
I think one of the earlier major wagons should be lynched today though. So I guess that's e, or Seprix. I actually thought that list would be a lot longer.
PPE Seprix: I don't think it was a double voter. I think the secret voter is scum and forced the EgorK lynch because e is scum and they were trying to save him.
Yeah, I figured. So if it's not a double voter, there's just no possible way to know who it is. Maybe it's even e. But it's interesting scum did not use it D1. So I wonder if town has it after all and they believed in scum!EgorK over scum!e, or whether the secret vote is a 1-shot or 2-shot.
It seems like a really weird time to use it, if it were 1-shot or 2-shot. Because scum wouldn't need it at that point. So maybe it is a town!double voter that just wasn't being careful. I feel like a scum!doublevoter would have used it D1 if e were scum to save him from the lynch. Maybe they didn't want us to know about it? I'm actually really confused now...
There are a lot of variables at play here, and I think figuring this shit out is going to be huge. I will look into this, and give my thoughts.
PPE: I will read TA's posts as well, we might be on to something here.
meaning the lynch with only 7 people on EgorK.There are a lot of variables at play here, and I think figuring this shit out is going to be huge. I will look into this, and give my thoughts.
PPE: I will read TA's posts as well, we might be on to something here.
I think this is the first thing to happen that might give us some good information.
I got it.but why use it at that point? That is what is bothering me. I can't figure out why scum would use it on a wagon that was likely to go to lynch anyway
Remember how people can like, burn metals and get stuff? My bet is that scum did this N1 and got the double vote D2.
I got it.but why use it at that point? That is what is bothering me. I can't figure out why scum would use it on a wagon that was likely to go to lynch anyway
Remember how people can like, burn metals and get stuff? My bet is that scum did this N1 and got the double vote D2.
Gkrieg, why'd you switch yesterday onto EgorK? You said you liked the case but you were vague on it. Can you be more specific?
I'm heading out for the afternoon, I'll try to post more tonight.
I got it.but why use it at that point? That is what is bothering me. I can't figure out why scum would use it on a wagon that was likely to go to lynch anyway
Remember how people can like, burn metals and get stuff? My bet is that scum did this N1 and got the double vote D2.
Because it lasts 1 day only?
I got it.but why use it at that point? That is what is bothering me. I can't figure out why scum would use it on a wagon that was likely to go to lynch anyway
Remember how people can like, burn metals and get stuff? My bet is that scum did this N1 and got the double vote D2.
Because it lasts 1 day only?
I still don't think that is a good enough reason. Maybe just so that EgorK couldn't claim anything.
SS has been more absent than is usual for him. I'll join in vote: SS if only for pressure.
Anyone else want to join me in thinking mail-mi is scum? Please?
Pff. I'm really falling behind on this game. My final is day after tomorrow so I will be around more after that.
Right now, do people have any questions for me? There's a (small) chance I will be able to catch up a bit tonight.
Negative.Pff. I'm really falling behind on this game. My final is day after tomorrow so I will be around more after that.
Right now, do people have any questions for me? There's a (small) chance I will be able to catch up a bit tonight.
Are you the double voter?
Seriously what kind of question is this? Anyone could be the double voter as far as I'm concerned. They could be able to selectively make a hidden vote completely independently of their public vote.Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Excellent. It also seems reasonable to assume IG is scum, since he did not vote publicly, barely said anything, etc.
Is there a scenario where IG is not scum?
Seriously what kind of question is this? Anyone could be the double voter as far as I'm concerned. They could be able to selectively make a hidden vote completely independently of their public vote.Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Excellent. It also seems reasonable to assume IG is scum, since he did not vote publicly, barely said anything, etc.
Is there a scenario where IG is not scum?
I read my own PM, I'm not scum. This is starting to remind me of what happened in Village Mafia. It's like people don't even listen when I say I'm VLA (this part is not directed to Seprix, more to TA and in general).
Seriously what kind of question is this? Anyone could be the double voter as far as I'm concerned. They could be able to selectively make a hidden vote completely independently of their public vote.Vote: Ichimaru Gin His behavior is completely consistent with a hidden voter who was on wagon D1 (so no hidden vote) and off wagon D2 (so there is a hidden vote). Going to re-read him now.
Excellent. It also seems reasonable to assume IG is scum, since he did not vote publicly, barely said anything, etc.
Is there a scenario where IG is not scum?
I read my own PM, I'm not scum. This is starting to remind me of what happened in Village Mafia. It's like people don't even listen when I say I'm VLA (this part is not directed to Seprix, more to TA and in general).
Count me in. vote: Seprix
#1111 Why do people assume double vote?Yeah, I don't like this at all. It feels very twisty.
You can definitely read #1111 through the light of him being a hidden voter though. But regardless of the hidden voter (which is a shot in the dark), he's a lurker who hasn't had much content thus far into the game.
PPE: Is this the first game we've played together? I overreact...like a lot--but it's something I've been working on. This is actually a good development imo. It's helping me to get more involved in the game.
SS is lurking so hard right now. Like seriously. He's been online all day and has only posted once. He hasn't been doing ANY scum hunting which he usually does as town. Actually, I really like an SS lynch today.
Vote: SS
He has been scumhunting? He pushed me quite hard to test my reaction, and cleared me after a while, SS is seriously my towniest read right now- lurking or not.
Your try to scumpaint SS is bad and you should feel bal.
vote: Seprix
I don't think SS is lurking more than he has been, but Seprix jumping on him seems more overenthusiastic than anything else to me. SS and Seprix both read townier, while Mail-mi and Hydrad come off MUCH scummier in that exchange to me (especially Mail-mi).
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.
And that whole "positioning on the xp wagon" thing....I would need to go back and reread the day again, but I dint recall blending into that wagon too much.
XP (3): chairs, UoS, Seprix
Seprix (3): gkrieg13, Ghacob, WW
hockeysemlan (3): Hydrad, silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): efhw, XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust
TwistedArcher (1): 2.7
Not Voting (1): IG
So XP is now as viable as Seprix or Hockey. Just 4 more guys.
And is Ichi V/LA or what's the deal there? (GET YOUR VOTE SOMEWHERE)
This is where the votes were when I switched back to XP. And you are trying to call me scummy for that? I was wrong about TA, I was wrong about EgorK yesterday. You are wrong about me right now.
#1111 Why do people assume double vote?Yeah, I don't like this at all. It feels very twisty.
You can definitely read #1111 through the light of him being a hidden voter though. But regardless of the hidden voter (which is a shot in the dark), he's a lurker who hasn't had much content thus far into the game.
Why would I play dumb if I was really the double voter and thus knew the mechanics of my own role? I would know that the evidence would clearly point to the existence of a double voter because of the disparity between voters and the vote count number. To me, this looks like a forced interpretation that doesn't actually hold up under examination.
PPE: Is this the first game we've played together? I overreact...like a lot--but it's something I've been working on. This is actually a good development imo. It's helping me to get more involved in the game.
Count me in. vote: Seprix
Why are you voting Seprix?
I'm fine with Seprix, mail-mi, or e. Looks like e is the most likely at this point though.
I'm a bit concerned about ending the day too soon. I want to lynch e, but with the possible double vote, I'd be potentially putting him at L-1, so I'll hold off for a bit. Getting a townread on silver. Would like to hear more from Ghacob and WW. I don't have any sense of them at all.
vote: e
vote: e
I'm a bit concerned about ending the day too soon. I want to lynch e, but with the possible double vote, I'd be potentially putting him at L-1, so I'll hold off for a bit. Getting a townread on silver. Would like to hear more from Ghacob and WW. I don't have any sense of them at all.vote: e
Do you have any caution Seprix?
I'm a bit concerned about ending the day too soon. I want to lynch e, but with the possible double vote, I'd be potentially putting him at L-1, so I'll hold off for a bit. Getting a townread on silver. Would like to hear more from Ghacob and WW. I don't have any sense of them at all.vote: e
Do you have any caution Seprix?
Nope. :)
I knew it was L-1 or L-2, and really, if e isn't scum at this point, we pretty much has little chance of winning, because we keep gravitating towards him or someone else, and the someone else ends up always being town.
I knew it was L-1 or L-2, and really, if e isn't scum at this point, we pretty much has little chance of winning, because we keep gravitating towards him or someone else, and the someone else ends up always being town.
Here for a sec. what's the case on e again?
Sorry I'm on phone so hard to find it.
Well I sure feel like an idiot.
The worst part is is that I Still don't understand what made e scummy
Regardless, it's definitely reread time for me
Yay we got scum! How big do we think the scum team is? This is not just curiosity.
Also, is no one going to comment on the fact that e got double voted, probably proving the double vote power isn't scum aligned?From reading the wiki, it sounds like doublevoter is more often a town role, but I'm not sure if that has relevance here.
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
Basically, bringing up my PM is scummy?
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
If there's more explanation, I might be able to defend myself, but as-is it's just a statement not backed up.
The way you brought it up, yes.
1) chairs claims a non-vt pm
2) you follow up saying your pm also includes language that you think might be the same as chairs. i.e. you have a non-vt pm
3) I am of the persuasion that chairs' "slip" and subsequent posts make him sound townie.
4) by claiming a PM similar to chairs you attempt to gain town cred with an eventual town!chairs flip
Then, accounting for the possibility of scim!chairs I said 1 scum/1 town. I don't think 2 scum will go around claiming similar PMs. I mean, 2 town is totally possible, but meh.
I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.
Wait, just really noticed this. You are now claiming that your alignment and chairs alignment have nothing to do with each other? What are you, some sort of survivor to say that?
I mean, I could see this as me just misunderstanding what you were trying to say, but as it is written, you are saying you have a different alignment than chairs
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Oh yeah, can we bring this up again too? This might be the 3rd team.
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
I still think hockey continues to be scummy. But this is scummy too:Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 passI'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.
The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)
culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today
- inconsistent
- disingenuous town read (call this one a gut reaction)
- empathizing that it's not just for policy... okay, this could be a town thing, but I generally think doing things for blatant policy is a towny thing to do for newer players and a scummy or neutral thing for experienced players
- overexplaining votes
More people should vote for e instead of driving wagons on newbies and the usual suspects.
Vote: e
did you ever explain this?
I had a scum read on e before, as I said. Then he had these two posts:I don't think advertising noobiness is a necessarily a scum trait. I mean, this is his first game here. And he said he has never played forum mafia.
I can totally see someone coming out of the gate a little shaky and asking about stuff concerning their power. Had he had N0 to talk to people....some of those questions might have been answered and he could have already posted hisSo during the night were some people able to talk in QTs? Is that the point of the zeroeth night?
Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.
there in the scum qt. I mean, it would be rather devious of him as scum to post this. He is fairly confident in the "tradition" of not lynching noobies. I mean, it is a very interesting play.
PPE: what silver just postedactually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.
but yeah, I am not going obv!town on gkrieg.
which use quite a lot of words for saying basically nothing. That fits with his general play style here: Blending in, being reasonably active without actually contributing a lot to the discussion. I don't like it.
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Oh yeah, can we bring this up again too? This might be the 3rd team.
It would make sense to have a couple of survivors here/ non-town team that doesn't make kills..
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...
From what I remember, EFHW hasn't said anything controversial or stood out in any way. That's the most dangerous kind of scum, so I'm on the fence.
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...
From what I remember, EFHW hasn't said anything controversial or stood out in any way. That's the most dangerous kind of scum, so I'm on the fence.
Except the dig-out work on e, which I assume convinced enough people to make a lynch.. That's what I'm basing my read on anyway.
Seprix, Faust is dead...
Seprix and e:
Each of them defends the other multiple times (e defends Seprix 193, 256, 707; Seprix defends e 711, 715, 724, 789).
They do have some direct interactions: a joke about Seprix's avatar (269); e insults Seprix at the height of his (e's) defensiveness (516, 525); commiserating about wagons without reasons (709).
According to vote counts, they don't vote for each other until Seprix gets on the e wagon next to last at the end of Day 3. There is one exception at the beginning of Day 2 when Seprix comes out voting e, citing the faust nk as evidence. By the next vote count, he is voting TA with e. At 868 he says his e vote was "a placeholder".
They frequently vote together - on XP, egork, and TA.
601 e says TA's Seprix vote was scummy.
At 1063 Seprix says there has only been one strong case (UoS against egorK), apparently forgetting my case against e.
1121 Seprix says e, SS and TA look bad on the egorK wagon. Settles on silver as his target.
1218 After voting e at 1212, Seprix makes the point he mentioned a few posts ago, that e must be scum since all the alternatives keep turning up town.
1235 Seprix suspects anyone who tried to defend e at the end, doesn't mention anyone specific.
My top scum reads are EFHW and Ghacob as well.
vote: EFHW
Will explain later
I find Seprix's suspicion of chairs due to the "townslip" fairly scummy.
Scum might just have a roleblocker and be RBing me so that I can't possibly be doing anything useful, thereby hoping for my mislynch later when I'm unable to prove my Towniness from PR usage.
Hmm actually i thought for a second he was off wagon. less sure about seprix now.
I'm glad I got to think about things before I posted. Did anyone use a redirect last night? And is that usually a town role or a scum role?
vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.
Bummer to see Silverspawn die, he was my top townread. Glad we got scum though.
I'd be surprised by 3 scum, if there's no SK (which seems to be the case), I'd expect 4 mafia with 17 players. 3 would be tough.
Interested the doublevote still was there, it's possible we have a doublevoting third party.
Chairs, I think you should either claim your role or never talk it again. Not this middle ground you've been doing. All you are doing is probably giving scum info while not giving town any.
Bummer to see Silverspawn die, he was my top townread. Glad we got scum though.
I'd be surprised by 3 scum, if there's no SK (which seems to be the case), I'd expect 4 mafia with 17 players. 3 would be tough.
Interested the doublevote still was there, it's possible we have a doublevoting third party.
Chairs, I think you should either claim your role or never talk it again. Not this middle ground you've been doing. All you are doing is probably giving scum info while not giving town any.
At the very least, Chairs cannot be either the double voter or the secret voter. Whether he can have one private vote with his public one remains to be seen.
My top scum reads are EFHW and Ghacob as well.
vote: EFHW
Will explain later
Also I just looked at the first page, and Faust is the only one who was killed by a coin. I just thought that was interesting.Yeah. That could point to their being more than one killing faction/ability.
Chairs, I think you should either claim your role or never talk it again. Not this middle ground you've been doing. All you are doing is probably giving scum info while not giving town any.
People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.
What are people's thoughts on EFHW?
Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?
Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.
People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.
What are people's thoughts on EFHW?
Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?
Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.
Ya. I agree. Hopefully tomorrow people will talk.
My feelings about EFHW came from reading yoshi mafia. Her game seems similar here.
People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.
What are people's thoughts on EFHW?
Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?
Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.
Also I just looked at the first page, and Faust is the only one who was killed by a coin. I just thought that was interesting.Yeah. That could point to their being more than one killing faction/ability.
People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.
What are people's thoughts on EFHW?
Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?
Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.
Why is this a good chance?
I'm pretty sure there was a mass redirect last night.
I'm pretty sure there was a mass redirect last night.
Did no one pick up on this?
What makes you think so?
Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?
Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?
hope someone can doctor you.
Back for a short bit before I go for the rest of the week.
I like a vote: 2.7 or a vote: TA right now. Don't like UoS. Geekrig (since no one is spelling your name right :P) seems more newbie town PR to me now than scum. Seprix...eh, he seems like me, in the "always scummy" category, and so seems just like normal.
Ugh.. Everything is so random..
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2. I don't understand why you would tunnel someone this much as town, (though I understand that it is a quite naive statement. Good towns do anything, I guess) at least not D1.
There some good points against e, though, and I wouldn't mind to test if Faust is right, after alll. Seprix is the obvious choice today and we can always take him tomorrow. In my mind, both e and seprix can be scum.
Vote: e
vote: e
Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.
Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork
I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities. People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me. I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better. Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.
I'll try this.
Imagine TA is scum. He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team. He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia.
Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?
Does that make any more sense?
PPE:2
I don't think anybody knows what my PR does, but since I think it's going to continue to be a point of contention (and I think once I claim it, we can review the people who are pushing for me to claim it like Seprix), I am a modified Doctor. There are probably multiple kill types based on the exact wording of my PM; it could be implying scum has Strongman shots.
Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?
Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?
hope someone can doctor you.
Scum might have a Roleblock. They very well could keep Chairs alive and hope we think he's lying. Also, Chairs might actually be lying, but the different types of kills thing he said is pretty specific, I think he's telling the truth.
Yeah, what was I like? Did you read a town game too?People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.
What are people's thoughts on EFHW?
Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?
Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.
Ya. I agree. Hopefully tomorrow people will talk.
My feelings about EFHW came from reading yoshi mafia. Her game seems similar here.
What was EFHW like in Yoshi Mafia?
I find Seprix's suspicion of chairs due to the "townslip" fairly scummy.
Why? Can you explain this to me?
Ghacob is the most probable case today thus far. I love the case stated above a few posts up. But we need another choice. We can't just zero in on one person. I think Chairs has enormous potential, depending on what he might claim.
Okay I think this is it:I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities. People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me. I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better. Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.
I'll try this.
Imagine TA is scum. He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team. He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia.
Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?
Does that make any more sense?
PPE:2
I think this is the first mention of another team, and it's pretty weird. If we're in multiball, good chance gkrieg is on a team. Chairs, do you think there are multiple killing factions?
I didn't read a town game of yours. I'll do that tomorrow and update my vote accordingly. I actually don't think it's multi ball but rather a third party that has killing opportunities. I don't think they would use X-shot on the first night on Faust though.Yeah, what was I like? Did you read a town game too?People NEED to talk. This game is so inherently pro-scum right now.
What are people's thoughts on EFHW?
Hockey isn't being talked about much. What is everyone's opinions on that?
Chairs, I'd like to know what your PR is. Good chance scum knows what it is anyways.
Ya. I agree. Hopefully tomorrow people will talk.
My feelings about EFHW came from reading yoshi mafia. Her game seems similar here.
What was EFHW like in Yoshi Mafia?
Okay I think this is it:I was really just trying to think of all the possibilities. People switching their votes from the main wagon without an explanation at this point seems scummy to me. I don't have the experience to develop the thought completely so I was hoping someone could take it and explain it better. Maybe this post just made it even more confusing.
I'll try this.
Imagine TA is scum. He thinks that Seprix and e are 1 town / 1 other scum team. He isn't sure so he rereads the day and realizes that he may be lynching a mafia from the other team of mafia.
Or does eliminating the other team of mafia make it easier for the one team?
Does that make any more sense?
PPE:2
I think this is the first mention of another team, and it's pretty weird. If we're in multiball, good chance gkrieg is on a team. Chairs, do you think there are multiple killing factions?
I think it's probably the case - but if that's so, why have we only seen 1 kill per night? And as far as targets, I think claiming them would give multiball scum too much information, so I won't be sharing that until/unless we reach a point where we're reasonably certain no multi-ball exists.
WW - silver is dead.
I am here and rereading, will come back with results
His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?
His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?
I know what I think on the matter...
His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?
I know what I think on the matter...
Which is...?
As folks have pointed out, the wincon explicitly states ONLY chaos-aligned players.
That means, if we lynch all mafia without lynching a third alignment (aka SK), town wins anyway. That's an impossibility in normal mafia, as the SK can keep on killing. Same for werewolves, cults, etc.
The survivor is an edge case, as the survivor role is required to be factionless. Given alignment-switching is often seen as BM at worst and RMM at least, a survivor is basically defined as no faction until winning (or alternatively, all factions).
Ergo, the town wincon definitively assures town that there is only one other faction in the game. So, no SK, no multi ball.
All town players already knew this. Players arguing for the existence of a third faction, such as an SK, are scum or intentionally lying town.
Was there anyone on both town wagons and off the e wagon? I'm gonna look at that when I'm home.
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.
D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
Final Day 3 Vote Count:
Seprix (2): 2.7, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): Ghacob
mail-mi (1): gkrieg132.7(7): silverspawn, mail-mi, Hydrad, TwistedArcher, Seprix, hockeysemlan
Not Voting (3): witherweaver, IG, chairs
With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Ghacob and chairs look horrendous from this, and WW and IG not much better. I propose we lynch from those four today.
.. why are you afraid of L-1?
Vote Count 4.5:
Ghacob (5): hockeysemlan, mail-mi, Seprix, Hydrad, gkrieg13
Seprix (1): EFHW
Not Voting (5): witherweaver, IG, chairs, Ghacob, TA
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 4 ends on August 1 at 1:00 p.m.
In case it's a "hidden double vote" where the vote is automatically laid when the first vote is made, maybe we can have one person on Ghacob's wagon get off for a moment, and then have each of those not already on his wagon put their vote on, then off in turn?Sure. I'm willing to try that.
I'd be willing to go first if we go through with this plan.
In case it's a "hidden double vote" where the vote is automatically laid when the first vote is made, maybe we can have one person on Ghacob's wagon get off for a moment, and then have each of those not already on his wagon put their vote on, then off in turn?
I'd be willing to go first if we go through with this plan.
(YAY TIMING GAMES IN A FORUM-BASED GAME 8))
His reread is taking awhile.. Scum for delaying or town for playing more carelessly?
I know what I think on the matter...
Which is...?
Scum. Follow the votes.
Gah, I hate the fact that I'm so lousy at finding relevant quotes, but look up on how oblivious he was to e:s scummyness. Sure, e is a good scum, and the case on him wasn't the biggest one ever, but Ghacob and I were both in hearthstone where e crushed us. The resemblence to his play there made me sure enough to vote him and Ghacob should be able to recognize the same thing as I did..
That, plus the mislynches makes me pretty certain his caught and is delaying his response because of it. I might be wrong, both Ghacob and I are rather new so maybe I'm just far out here, but I think not.
Chairs narrative doesn't make sense. He says he's worried about scum roleblocking him so that there's no trail he can prove himself on later, but doctors don't really leave a trail. Also don't like that he's assuming his doctoring isn't working when he really couldn't know it isn't unless he attempted to doctor a nk. For all he would know we're playing multiball/sk (I think more unlikely than not) and chairs has blocked kills yet he assumed this wasn't the case.
Chairs narrative doesn't make sense. He says he's worried about scum roleblocking him so that there's no trail he can prove himself on later, but doctors don't really leave a trail. Also don't like that he's assuming his doctoring isn't working when he really couldn't know it isn't unless he attempted to doctor a nk. For all he would know we're playing multiball/sk (I think more unlikely than not) and chairs has blocked kills yet he assumed this wasn't the case.
Well, a Ghacob lynch too really.
Mm. I'm guilty of pretty much the same thing I think. So that's kind of interesting.
Yeah that's definitely true. I don't know that Ghacob had any extenuating circumstances. So that is a mark against him I think.Mm. I'm guilty of pretty much the same thing I think. So that's kind of interesting.
I guess I should reread you, too - but you just haven't been around b/c of school, so I haven't been expecting much.
The only thing that matters now is the game plan.
If Ghacob flips town, how close does this put us to losing?
If Ghacob flips scum, what are the remaining candidates for a proper lynching?
Oh! The matter of the secret vote.My current theory is that a third party has the double vote. This is why they used it both to lynch town and scum. It's like an SK, without a NK. Which probably has a different name.
Yeah. So right now, it's 5 people voting Ghacob and the vote count says 5. But did the extra vote only ever show up at the end before?
PPE: 2
@EFHW. So I read one of your town games, but you got lynched the first day. Is there a town game of yours where you survive longer?
@EFHW. So I read one of your town games, but you got lynched the first day. Is there a town game of yours where you survive longer?
The first Dune game, Guilds. They're both RMM.
Flip flip flip!
This was kind of a weird day with only one wagon. Some people didn't even post
I find Seprix's suspicion of chairs due to the "townslip" fairly scummy.
Why? Can you explain this to me?
Just saw this. I just don't see enough evidence to think he made it up. That's pure speculation and not enough for me to make a case out of. Scum like to capitalize on little things like this, trying to make them seem bigger than they are.
Wha..who..how..?
Sorry everyone for my misread on Ghacob, I'm confused why he didn't bother defend himself.. if you find me scummy after yesterday I completely understand it. I even defended EFHW :(
I'm town however..
Must have been an interesting night also..
PPE
Multiple scum teams confirmed. I wonder if the scum teams get alternate lynch days. That would be cool. And it seems that one scum team is dead, unless there are either 3 players or all scum is the same color.
Multiple scum teams confirmed. I wonder if the scum teams get alternate lynch days. That would be cool. And it seems that one scum team is dead, unless there are either 3 players or all scum is the same color.
I'm not all convinced. Couldn't there be a power that bounce back the kill or something similar? But alright, multiple teams are way more likely now anyhow.
Multiple scum teams confirmed. I wonder if the scum teams get alternate lynch days. That would be cool. And it seems that one scum team is dead, unless there are either 3 players or all scum is the same color.
I'm not all convinced. Couldn't there be a power that bounce back the kill or something similar? But alright, multiple teams are way more likely now anyhow.
A power that bounces back the kill? If that is the case, that happened the other night with the coin kill too.
Well, then,
Vote: Gkrieg
Well, then,
Vote: Gkrieg
A little unexpected choice, I must say.
Um couldn't there just be a vig?
Um couldn't there just be a vig?
Um couldn't there just be a vig?
vote: seprix for jumping to the multiple scum team conclusion (and FoS to the rest of you who did it too)
Um couldn't there just be a vig?
*doh*
the simple solution and all that.. nice save doc!
Mayybe Ghacob was vengeful and therefore didn't mind being lynched? or would that show?
PPE:
like it
vote: Seprix
The thing that bugs me is that we've been talking about the possibility of multiple scum teams all game, and TA is NOW trying to lynch me with this when it wasn't even my original idea. That's not a great case. I don't think scum would brazenly pull such a bad case out of their rear, would they...?
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.
D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
Final Day 3 Vote Count:
Seprix (2): 2.7, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): Ghacob
mail-mi (1): gkrieg132.7(7): silverspawn, mail-mi, Hydrad, TwistedArcher, Seprix, hockeysemlan
Not Voting (3): witherweaver, IG, chairs
With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Final Day 4 Vote Count:Ghacob(6): mail-mi, Seprix, Hydrad, gkrieg13, hockey, EFHW
Not Voting (5): witherweaver, IG, Ghacob, TA, chairs
With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Blergh, you're right, I've already revealed it TA, without meaning to do so. On N2 I doctored UmbrageOfSnow.
I don't think anybody knows what my PR does, but since I think it's going to continue to be a point of contention (and I think once I claim it, we can review the people who are pushing for me to claim it like Seprix), I am a modified Doctor. There are probably multiple kill types based on the exact wording of my PM; it could be implying scum has Strongman shots.
Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?
I vigged EFHW
I vigged EFHW
And I'm really happy I was correct ;D
Sorry the PPE didn't showI vigged EFHW
And I'm really happy I was correct ;D
Wow, nice! Now the next question... Does the Vig go before scum NK? That would partially explain the lack of a NK, but it doesn't explain N1. Did you Vig kill N1?
I think they tried to NK me though.
PPE:
Are you a 1-shot Vig?
Are you a 1-shot Vig?Nono why ask this??
Are you a 1-shot Vig?Nono why ask this??
Are you a 1-shot Vig?Nono why ask this??
I guess it's bad? I dunno.
Why was there no Scum NK?
Are you a 1-shot Vig?Nono why ask this??
I guess it's bad? I dunno.
Why was there no Scum NK?
So I think there must be a 3rd party that has a vig as well. Because why would someone town-aligned vig faust N1?
PPE: I was doctored!!!
Now you know - what are we going to do with that info?
hope someone can doctor you.
Scum might have a Roleblock. They very well could keep Chairs alive and hope we think he's lying. Also, Chairs might actually be lying, but the different types of kills thing he said is pretty specific, I think he's telling the truth.
I don't know if chairs is telling the truth or not, but the amount of specific detail is pretty slim, not enough for town points, imo.
Count me in. vote: Seprix
Seprix and e:
Each of them defends the other multiple times (e defends Seprix 193, 256, 707; Seprix defends e 711, 715, 724, 789).
They do have some direct interactions: a joke about Seprix's avatar (269); e insults Seprix at the height of his (e's) defensiveness (516, 525); commiserating about wagons without reasons (709).
According to vote counts, they don't vote for each other until Seprix gets on the e wagon next to last at the end of Day 3. There is one exception at the beginning of Day 2 when Seprix comes out voting e, citing the faust nk as evidence. By the next vote count, he is voting TA with e. At 868 he says his e vote was "a placeholder".
They frequently vote together - on XP, egork, and TA.
601 e says TA's Seprix vote was scummy.
At 1063 Seprix says there has only been one strong case (UoS against egorK), apparently forgetting my case against e.
1121 Seprix says e, SS and TA look bad on the egorK wagon. Settles on silver as his target.
1218 After voting e at 1212, Seprix makes the point he mentioned a few posts ago, that e must be scum since all the alternatives keep turning up town.
1235 Seprix suspects anyone who tried to defend e at the end, doesn't mention anyone specific.
Are you a 1-shot Vig?Nono why ask this??
I guess it's bad? I dunno.
Why was there no Scum NK?
This seems like fishing to me. And trying to get me to reveal how many shots I have as vig seems very fishy.
vote: Seprix
Hockey seems scummy to me as well based on what he said in the beginning of the day. Scum being killed with a coin in multiball doesn't seem like a super interesting night. I think he had more information.
So it is safe to say Gkraig and Chairs are practically town at this point? If we can get this out of the way, we can more easily find scum.
So it is safe to say Gkraig and Chairs are practically town at this point? If we can get this out of the way, we can more easily find scum.
Not if we really are in multiball.
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
mail-mi, IG, Witherweaver, Hydrad,chairs, hockey,Seprix, TA,gkrieg13
Crossed out for town players. Anyone underlined is scummy in my eyes (though I can be convinced otherwise, I'm not basing all of this conjecture on real proof yet).
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
Well there was that, then the different kill flavors, then Chairs saying his role implied it was likely.
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
Well there was that, then the different kill flavors, then Chairs saying his role implied it was likely.
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
Well there was that, then the different kill flavors, then Chairs saying his role implied it was likely.
Ok.
What would a Thug do if it was survivor-aligned? Is that a vig role?
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
Well there was that, then the different kill flavors, then Chairs saying his role implied it was likely.
Ok.
What would a Thug do if it was survivor-aligned? Is that a vig role?
Maybe it's the Double vote. The inconsistency of it being used on town and scum, as well as it not being used on Ghacob himself indicates this plausible theory.
I don't think it's multiball. I said that the first day, because I didn't understand what was going on. It has then been blown up by people to now be this huge thing.
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
Well there was that, then the different kill flavors, then Chairs saying his role implied it was likely.
Ok.
What would a Thug do if it was survivor-aligned? Is that a vig role?
Maybe it's the Double vote. The inconsistency of it being used on town and scum, as well as it not being used on Ghacob himself indicates this plausible theory.
maybe. What about a lurcher? That was ss.
I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Wait a second:I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Vote: gkrieg again.
Wait a second:I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.
Vote: gkrieg again.
If we're really in Multiball, my role is huge.
vote: Gkraig
Again, I wish to let this day go on until Asher comes back with my role.
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.I'm actually the inamorato. I wasn't sure what would happen when XP died. I was also confused why XP claimed that he was third party, because my PM specifically tells me that he was Survivor-aligned. Which is town-aligned.
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.
The story checks out, but how did you get the Vig?
So what did you do the other nights?
So what did you do the other nights?
I investigated ss and Seprix N1, and they did nothing.
I investigated Hydrad and Ghacob N2, and they did nothing.
I investigated EFHW and TA N3, and they were both burning the redirect metal.
I vigged EFHW N4, and found out the name of a random town player.
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.
The story checks out, but how did you get the Vig?
My lover died...
After you. :)
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.I'm actually the inamorato. I wasn't sure what would happen when XP died. I was also confused why XP claimed that he was third party, because my PM specifically tells me that he was Survivor-aligned. Which is town-aligned.
I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.
You know third party is not town, right...?
I guess I meant not scum then. I think e is town and XP is 3rd party. 3rd party doesn't hurt us at this point right? If his win condition requires a town person to be alive, doesn't that basically mean he wins if and only if town wins?
PPE
If I have to choose between XP and e, I definitely choose XP. I have more town reads on his wagon than I have on e's and I don't feel like e is scummy. I'm not going to vote yet because I want to reread some of XP before I jump on that wagon and it has the plurality if I don't get there in time anyway.
Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.I'm actually the inamorato. I wasn't sure what would happen when XP died. I was also confused why XP claimed that he was third party, because my PM specifically tells me that he was Survivor-aligned. Which is town-aligned.
Now I make my claim.
I am a Survivor Roleblocker.
I Roleblocked UoS and TA, UoS first night and then TA second night. I thought I Roleblocked more nights, but I guess I didn't. I deleted my mail awhile ago, had to ask who I Roleblocked. I know I didn't use my ability last night for sure, because I forgot. :-[
So what did you do the other nights?
I investigated ss and Seprix N1, and they did nothing.
So what did you do the other nights?
I investigated ss and Seprix N1, and they did nothing.
I'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.I'm actually the inamorato. I wasn't sure what would happen when XP died. I was also confused why XP claimed that he was third party, because my PM specifically tells me that he was Survivor-aligned. Which is town-aligned.
Wait so, you knew XP was town D1, but you didn't claim it before he got lynched?
II'll claim now before this goes crazy. I am the inamorata. So I had a passive role until xp died. That's also why I tried to get people to stop voting for him when his lynch was imminent.I'm actually the inamorato. I wasn't sure what would happen when XP died. I was also confused why XP claimed that he was third party, because my PM specifically tells me that he was Survivor-aligned. Which is town-aligned.
Wait so, you knew XP was town D1, but you didn't claim it before he got lynched?
I thought scum would just NK me if I didn't die, because they realized I didn't die when XP was lynched.
I also didn't take an action N3, so it's possible EFHW messed up my action. Also, if there WAS a redirect that night (which if you're town, there was), you probably got redirected from whomever actually took that action to me.
If I have to choose between XP and e, I definitely choose XP. I have more town reads on his wagon than I have on e's and I don't feel like e is scummy. I'm not going to vote yet because I want to reread some of XP before I jump on that wagon and it has the plurality if I don't get there in time anyway.
One post BEFORE XP's claimLooks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
XP's claim
If I have to choose between XP and e, I definitely choose XP. I have more town reads on his wagon than I have on e's and I don't feel like e is scummy. I'm not going to vote yet because I want to reread some of XP before I jump on that wagon and it has the plurality if I don't get there in time anyway.
One post BEFORE XP's claimLooks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
XP's claim
I didn't know it was XP. I didn't know who the inamorata was before he claimed
Why the role change on N4? Was that your choice to choose the different action or did your PR change?
This is shaping up to be Gkraig vs TA. Both have good cases. Man..
Did your result on me / EFHW burning metal be that both of us were burning the metal? Or that at least one of us was?
Not unvoting, we have Gkrieg on record advocating lynching XP, whom apparently was town confirmed and his lover in his PM. It's a giant lie.I already told you. I didn't know that XP was the inamorata. Exactly like he didn't know who I was.
Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.
Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.
PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow
So you get the type of metal? Both TA and EFHW were burning the same type?yes. They were both burning iron
If anything, this game is inspiring me to read this series.ya it does seem really cool. I also think we lynched the main character D1, if I understand the wikipedia I read.
So you get the type of metal? Both TA and EFHW were burning the same type?yes. They were both burning iron
Ok. Caught up. Scratch what I said earlier--I don't think Seprix has acted outside of his town meta really.
And I'm an IC now, cool 8).
So, from my understanding it's like gkrieg and XP were lovers, but they didn't know each other's alignments? That seems like the sketchiest part of gkrieg's claim to me. Looking on the wiki, there's "Tragic Lovers"...I'm not sure that I understand what the normal lover PR actually entails though.
According to this graphic, Pewterarms are also called Thugs: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/mistborn/images/0/04/Table_of_Allomantic_metals.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090916215121
So maybe that's what Ghacob was. I'm not sure what that would be as town.. maybe some kind of bulletproof.
So... All these players are town if you're telling the truth. Funnily enough, I Roleblocked you N2...
TA's claim makes a boatload of sense flavor-wise. I believe it for now.
It does place the people he targeted (assuming there was no interference) in a slightly townier category than everyone else imo.
@ Seprix. When you say survivor roleblocker, do you mean 3rd party? or town?
Ok, I'll claim.
I'm preservation. Each night I hunt for ruin -- I target a player, and if their flavor name is ruin, both myself and ruin are killed. If they are not ruin, they have a 50% chance of being doctored and a 50% chance of being roleblocked (I'm not told which is which, though). So there's almost certainly a scum named Ruin.
N1: I targeted E
N2: I targeted Seprix
N3: I targeted Ichi
N4: I targeted WW
I'm still alive, so none of these players are ruin.
I also didn't take an action N3, so it's possible EFHW messed up my action. Also, if there WAS a redirect that night (which if you're town, there was), you probably got redirected from whomever actually took that action to me.
Also I'm pretty sure that burning iron only redirects allomantic powers. And killing with a coin is an allomantic power.
I don't buy it. vote: hockey
Ruin would make sense as third party/second faction, right? e and EFHW flipped as Lord Ruler aligned.Yeah, I think that could work. He's actually more evil than the Lord Ruler though I'd say.
Sure I was thinking of claiming mine soon anyways as by myself its not much use so i'm hoping someone else can use it well.
Every odd night I get a name of a scum PR
N1 = Anger
N3 = The Voice
I am a modified Doctor. There are probably multiple kill types based on the exact wording of my PM; it could be implying scum has Strongman shots.
Blergh, you're right, I've already revealed it TA, without meaning to do so. On N2 I doctored UmbrageOfSnow.
ask me what?
I doctored gkrieg.
Now I make my claim.
I am a Survivor Roleblocker.
I Roleblocked UoS and TA, UoS first night and then TA second night. I thought I Roleblocked more nights, but I guess I didn't. I deleted my mail awhile ago, had to ask who I Roleblocked. I know I didn't use my ability last night for sure, because I forgot. :-[
Busy today, but I claim VT, for the record.
Ok, I'll claim.
I'm preservation. Each night I hunt for ruin -- I target a player, and if their flavor name is ruin, both myself and ruin are killed. If they are not ruin, they have a 50% chance of being doctored and a 50% chance of being roleblocked (I'm not told which is which, though). So there's almost certainly a scum named Ruin.
N1: I targeted E
N2: I targeted Seprix
N3: I targeted Ichi
N4: I targeted WW
I'm still alive, so none of these players are ruin.
I also didn't take an action N3, so it's possible EFHW messed up my action. Also, if there WAS a redirect that night (which if you're town, there was), you probably got redirected from whomever actually took that action to me.
I'm a VT.
I'm a VT
I was also able to get the name of one random town player. IG is town.
Sure I was thinking of claiming mine soon anyways as by myself its not much use so i'm hoping someone else can use it well.
Every odd night I get a name of a scum PR
N1 = Anger
N3 = The Voice
I'm the inamorato. I got powers when XP died, but I didn't know his identity before he claimed.
I detected no metals burned by ss and Seprix N1.
I detected no metals burned by Hydrad and Ghacob N2
I detected iron being burned by EFHW and TA N3, which is the metal that redirects allomantic(metal-burning) powers.
I vigged EFHW N4 (burned steel), and found out the name of a random town player (burned tin) (IG).
So if we lynch TA, who is next? If TA flips town, it's only natural Gkraig is the next to go, I think. If TA is scum, who might be next?
sorry color fail
current reads list:
TwistedArcher: e fought for his lynch pretty hard. After doing a short reread, and with saying he didn't take an action on N3 to try and frame me, make him my scummiest read.
hockeysemlan: I REALLY don't buy his VT claim. At least one of the VTs have to be lying. And it's not IG.
Hydrad: His role seems like it could be a town role. I don't see it as being useful, seeing as we don't have any rolecops claimed yet. So he could just be putting his own role name in as the second day. We could see what he comes up with tonight though. He also looks very scummy on rereads I've done.
Seprix: For the first time this game, Seprix seems really towny to me.
Witherweaver: one of the VTs have to be lying.
mail-mi: he's still alive?
IG: IC
chairs: I believe everything he has claimed.
Sorry, been super busy. I'm a vt.
unvote . i missed the timing on gkrieg's claim, which i realize after he clarified. on mobile the next couple of days
I feel like Hydrad isn't claiming the entirety of his role, maybe?
Given we're massclaiming... vote: Hydrad
Hydrad's role is almost too weird to be scummy I think. Why on earth would someone claim some name revealer?
Vote: XP
it is then!
oh man 1 day!
Vote: Egork
I'll also be around for deadline.
Vote: e
sounds good to me.
Best way to get a game moving is with votes!
Vote: Ghacob
I'm impatient for results D:
I think only the lord ruler and I can burn metals. At least no one has told me differently. That would mean someone decided to redirect both TA and EFHW, or one of them redirected the other.
I think only the lord ruler and I can burn metals. At least no one has told me differently. That would mean someone decided to redirect both TA and EFHW, or one of them redirected the other.
I don't believe this. Ghacob flipping Thug in this flavor strongly suggests he could burn Pewter.
Actually, to all the claimants: Does your role involve burning metal?
Also, gkrieg, can you burn more than one metal?
I think only the lord ruler and I can burn metals. At least no one has told me differently. That would mean someone decided to redirect both TA and EFHW, or one of them redirected the other.
I don't believe this. Ghacob flipping Thug in this flavor strongly suggests he could burn Pewter.
Actually, to all the claimants: Does your role involve burning metal?
Also, gkrieg, can you burn more than one metal?
I think only the lord ruler and I can burn metals. At least no one has told me differently. That would mean someone decided to redirect both TA and EFHW, or one of them redirected the other.
I don't believe this. Ghacob flipping Thug in this flavor strongly suggests he could burn Pewter.
Actually, to all the claimants: Does your role involve burning metal?
Also, gkrieg, can you burn more than one metal?
What do you think burning pewter would do?
I think only the lord ruler and I can burn metals. At least no one has told me differently. That would mean someone decided to redirect both TA and EFHW, or one of them redirected the other.
I don't believe this. Ghacob flipping Thug in this flavor strongly suggests he could burn Pewter.
Actually, to all the claimants: Does your role involve burning metal?
Also, gkrieg, can you burn more than one metal?
What do you think burning pewter would do?
In the book it enhances physical strength. My guess would be a bulletproof shot or something like that.
unvote . i missed the timing on gkrieg's claim, which i realize after he clarified. on mobile the next couple of days
How likely do you think 7 VTs in this setup is?
and what about Hydrad's claim?
If the VTs aren't scum, who is then?unvote . i missed the timing on gkrieg's claim, which i realize after he clarified. on mobile the next couple of days
How likely do you think 7 VTs in this setup is?
and what about Hydrad's claim?
I don't think I see a problem with that many VTs. I don't have a guess as to how many there would be, any guess just seems kinda arbitrary. I'd guess one is false just because of the difficulty of good fake claims, not the number.
I'd rather lynch mail-Mi than hydrad. Hydrad sheeps as town but I don't know how likely he is to bus E at a key point on that wagon.
unvote . i missed the timing on gkrieg's claim, which i realize after he clarified. on mobile the next couple of days
How likely do you think 7 VTs in this setup is?
and what about Hydrad's claim?
I don't think I see a problem with that many VTs. I don't have a guess as to how many there would be, any guess just seems kinda arbitrary. I'd guess one is false just because of the difficulty of good fake claims, not the number.
I'd rather lynch mail-Mi than hydrad. Hydrad sheeps as town but I don't know how likely he is to bus E at a key point on that wagon.
@chairs why do you think your N2 doctoring of UoS didn't work?
Hmm. I'd like to hear a bit more from Hydrad. I don't think he's particularly townie, but he's just so easy to mislynch.
I recall almost nothing of note about hockey...so that's bad. WW can be pretty devious, so there's always a check I have about him.
EFHW seemed a bit like she was buddying me at the end of this last day, so I'm a bit wary of anyone doing the same.
Other than that, I should probably reread, keeping in mind the flips we've had and the claims now. I know there was that thing with TA's claim about not targeting anyone N3 was it? But now he says he did target someone. And yeah looking back, WW pointed it out, but it looks like he never responded. That's notable.
@chairs why do you think your N2 doctoring of UoS didn't work?
This is actually why I'm sure a specific line in my role indicates multiple kill causes
@chairs why do you think your N2 doctoring of UoS didn't work?
This is actually why I'm sure a specific line in my role indicates multiple kill causes
Ya I think the allomantic power kills with a coin.
Hmm. I'd like to hear a bit more from Hydrad. I don't think he's particularly townie, but he's just so easy to mislynch.
unvote If both TA and EFHW were burning metals...
vote: TA
unvote If both TA and EFHW were burning metals...
vote: TA
I didn't like this vote as his reasoning for it didn't feel right. thats part of it.
If Gkraig is telling the truth, then TA is scum. TA has also said his role is not burning metals.
I also told you on day 4 that I thought there had been a mass redirect. That's because TA and EFHW returned the same result. I just found EFHW's play as scummy. I don't necessarily find TA's play as scummy at this point.
PPE: They both were burning iron, the redirect metal, which would happen if someone was able to redirect from EFHW and TA to them. Then I would see them as both burning iron.
Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.
So when SS uses his ability, everyone is affected?
If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..
Nevertheless, TA claimed to not take an action and then claimed to take an action.
If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..
If Gkreig is telling the truth, and my guess is correct, then Silver could have only used it Night 3, else he would have gotten the same result every night.
Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.
I don't think SS's ability is targeted. Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.
And by protect, I mean redirect investigation.Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.
I don't think SS's ability is targeted. Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.
If TA were scum, he could have burned iron to protect EFHW while she committed a kill.
What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?
Oh that makes sense. The redirect would only work for metals burning though. So he died from a different kind of kill. Got it.What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?
Well, he could redirect both kill and protection, resulting in no night kill. Notably, Silver wasn't killed by a coin; it's possible he redirected a coin kill and a protection against coin kills (Chairs seems to be suggesting that).
We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense. You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious. Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.How could I be lying at this point, XP said that his lover was survivor-aligned, and no one else has counterclaimed me.
Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role.
Yeah I absolutely trust gkrieg at this point, and therefore Ichi.
I don't know what to say about why I claimed I had no night action N3 -- I was out and typing on mobile and really don't know the thought process I said. It's possible I meant I didn't burn metal (because I didn't), but I really don't have a defense for it at this point honestly.
We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense. You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious. Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.How could I be lying at this point, XP said that his lover was survivor-aligned, and no one else has counterclaimed me.
Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role.
I can see TA or Hydrad lying. I also think one of the VTs aren't a VT. I'm leaning hockey at this point.
I absolutely think gkrieg is IC and find everyone pushing his wagon scummy.
vote: ww I think.
I think I want to
vote: TA
A lie is a lie.
But gosh. It is a tough decision today.
I think I want to
vote: TA
A lie is a lie.
But gosh. It is a tough decision today.
Why switch from Hydrad? It is clear that he is also lying. His role would have no benefit
which games have you been in?I think I want to
vote: TA
A lie is a lie.
But gosh. It is a tough decision today.
Why switch from Hydrad? It is clear that he is also lying. His role would have no benefit
I don't read Hydrad as that scummy after he got pushed. TA is harder to read, and that alarms me. But both are good candidates still..
PPE: I don't have a usually yet.
which games have you been in?I think I want to
vote: TA
A lie is a lie.
But gosh. It is a tough decision today.
Why switch from Hydrad? It is clear that he is also lying. His role would have no benefit
I don't read Hydrad as that scummy after he got pushed. TA is harder to read, and that alarms me. But both are good candidates still..
PPE: I don't have a usually yet.
Mm. I am willing to hammer TA.
I'd like a bit more discussion though. It's possible he made the mistake as town...he's not saying he purposefully lied about it for some reason. But he did say he basically has no explanation for it? He was tired and posting on mobile...I feel like he isn't fighting his lynch that hard.
Daah. But would scum really be so nonchalant and just "I messed up and really have no reason why"...
Mm. I am willing to hammer TA.
I'd like a bit more discussion though. It's possible he made the mistake as town...he's not saying he purposefully lied about it for some reason. But he did say he basically has no explanation for it? He was tired and posting on mobile...I feel like he isn't fighting his lynch that hard.
Daah. But would scum really be so nonchalant and just "I messed up and really have no reason why"...
So if TA is telling the truth, do you guys think it will be hard to kill ruin without TA? Also TA, what is your wincon?
So you don't win if you find ruin and destroy him?So if TA is telling the truth, do you guys think it will be hard to kill ruin without TA? Also TA, what is your wincon?
I'm town
I think I want to
vote: TA
A lie is a lie.
But gosh. It is a tough decision today.
Why switch from Hydrad? It is clear that he is also lying. His role would have no benefit
I don't read Hydrad as that scummy after he got pushed. TA is harder to read, and that alarms me. But both are good candidates still..
PPE: I don't have a usually yet.
Actually looking back at the days and Hockey is just trying to push wagons every day. He seems the least towny of the VTs to me. He might be the 3rd party, he also says he isn't whiteknighting EFHW, but just says that she is his top town read. This sounds scummy to me.
vote: hockeysemlan
PPE: I believe he already said it doesn't
Seprix, does your role burn metal?
Seprix, does your role burn metal?
My role does not. However, why believe what I have to say?
Although WW voted for EFHW on day 2, never explained it, and then asked me questions trying to take focus off of EFHW.
It might be weak, but I'm trying to find something.
Hydrad could be the double voter! We need a vote count to confirm though. If he is, TA is lynched.
PPE: anything else from you mail-mi?
Daah. But would scum really be so nonchalant and just "I messed up and really have no reason why"...
Seprix, does your role burn metal?
My role does not. However, why believe what I have to say?
?
Although WW voted for EFHW on day 2, never explained it, and then asked me questions trying to take focus off of EFHW.
It might be weak, but I'm trying to find something.
Hydrad could be the double voter! We need a vote count to confirm though. If he is, TA is lynched.
PPE: anything else from you mail-mi?
Daah. But would scum really be so nonchalant and just "I messed up and really have no reason why"...
That's literally what I did my first scum game, and everyone jumped off of me so quickly. We almost won that game actually, only because Town realized they got careless with votes right before I logged on to hammer. :/ So I think lynching TA is something we should do, but I'm all for more discussion before the deadline. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.
Although WW voted for EFHW on day 2, never explained it, and then asked me questions trying to take focus off of EFHW.
It might be weak, but I'm trying to find something.
Hydrad could be the double voter! We need a vote count to confirm though. If he is, TA is lynched.
PPE: anything else from you mail-mi?
Not really, unfortunately.
I don't think TA makes this up; at least not the part about Ruin. It's a little too... creative for a fake claim. Also, what would be the point?
So he's probably the 3rd party? 3rd party can still apparently kill, so...?
Flavor-wise. I feel like Ruin makes more sense as a single scum with no partners.
Also who should TA target tonight if we don't lynch him?
Actually looking back at the days and Hockey is just trying to push wagons every day. He seems the least towny of the VTs to me. He might be the 3rd party, he also says he isn't whiteknighting EFHW, but just says that she is his top town read. This sounds scummy to me.
vote: hockeysemlan
PPE: I believe he already said it doesn't
Actually looking back at the days and Hockey is just trying to push wagons every day. He seems the least towny of the VTs to me. He might be the 3rd party, he also says he isn't whiteknighting EFHW, but just says that she is his top town read. This sounds scummy to me.
vote: hockeysemlan
PPE: I believe he already said it doesn't
Focus on better targets. I'm not the guy, today. And hum, how can I both be sheepy and "pushing wagons" at the same time? I was stuck e until he was caught, then I made a case against Ghacob and now I'm torned between Hydrad and TA. I don't see how that's scummy behaviour.
Townreading EFHW the way I did is scummy though, I admit that..
PPE: great. Better to target me in some way than lynching me right now..
I guess I kind of meant that you were pushing wagons by sheeping. That is what I was going for.
Mail-Mi. Hardest player to read.I definitely agree with this. He hasn't been pushed that much this game.
Although WW voted for EFHW on day 2, never explained it, and then asked me questions trying to take focus off of EFHW.
It might be weak, but I'm trying to find something.
Hydrad could be the double voter! We need a vote count to confirm though. If he is, TA is lynched.
PPE: anything else from you mail-mi?
Not really, unfortunately.
so just sheeping?
Yeah, I agree that a lot of it was "noise". Definitely catch up a few pages at a time I had a hard time following the cases/reasoning (and a lot of it still isn't clear).
Really I'm fine lynching gkrieg/Seprix not because of the cases on them, but the opinions I got from my own re-read. I don't have a good thread on what the "case" is, who's been on wagon/who hasn't been, but I just know that these are players who I found scummy things on when I re-read. And for D1 here I think that's enough honestly. I don't have enough of a read on anyone to avoid wagons based on who's on/off. I'm sure I'll be able to get a lot more focus later on.
I disagree with you on XP, also.
I still think you're scummy, but 2.7's reaction has definitely been scummy than your reaction, so Vote: 2.7.
Not sure how long I'll be around tomorrow and I want my vote somewhere useful. vote: seprix
I am just terrible at quotes today:
Cynicism mode: 50/50 means you've talked too much or been the subject of too much attention so he feels bad having no read on you.
Heh, that's probably true. Which is weird, cuz I don't think there's anything wrong with having null reads right now.
Seprix is flailing. I have no idea what kind of flailing though. He's scummy to me but I have more trouble putting my finger on his scumminess compared to e's scumminess. my head says e, my gut says seprix (but both say uos) i don't know which one i should trust more.
vote: 2.7
My take on viable lynches:
E=Seprix > Hockey >>> XP
I'm out for dinner, will be back probably 1-2 hours before deadline. I'll be here though.
vote: e
interested to hear more about egork though.
mail-mi's townread on e seems very constructed to me.
I'd lynch E still
Vote: E
@TA You had scum reads on mail-mi on day 2. How do you feel about him now?
Actually I think this is a good idea. We lynch mail-mi and TA investigates hockey. Then we have checked everyone alive for ruin. If TA doesn't die in the night, he is ruin and we lynch him tomorrow.
Quotecan mess with us
what does that even mean
Five votes, man, that's around just provoking aka "mess with someone"- but ah, shouldn't care, made my case with you I think. Scumread me as much as you like, but you can't lynch me alone- despice how many times you vote, y'know.
PPE: gk speaking sense. I like it. Vote: Seprix
Ok. Your not alone anymore. Good luck with it.
This last series of posts makes me feel townier on Seprix. I don't feel really good about this wagon. Can we lynch e instead? That would be great. I thought it was common knowledge by now that everyone should sheep me D1 :P
I'm staying. Rereading e gives me a null/slight townie feeling, I could read him scummy but that would be based on meta and I don't like that very much. He is not a bad lynch, but I regard seprix scummier at this point.
Ugh.. Everything is so random..
The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2. I don't understand why you would tunnel someone this much as town, (though I understand that it is a quite naive statement. Good towns do anything, I guess) at least not D1.
There some good points against e, though, and I wouldn't mind to test if Faust is right, after alll. Seprix is the obvious choice today and we can always take him tomorrow. In my mind, both e and seprix can be scum.
Vote: e
I'm Back!
Fell behind due to computer-problems and whatnot.. strange lynch yesterday, need to catch up on that more thouroughly later.. but briefly reading it: nice save scumteam.
vote: e
Aw, man..
This wasn't good at all. Both the choice of Egork as the "lurkerlynch" and the loss of UoS.. Can't really complain since I haven't been as active as I maybe need to be.. we need to get a grip on this game today..
vote: Ghacob
SS is lurking so hard right now. Like seriously. He's been online all day and has only posted once. He hasn't been doing ANY scum hunting which he usually does as town. Actually, I really like an SS lynch today.
Vote: SS
He has been scumhunting? He pushed me quite hard to test my reaction, and cleared me after a while, SS is seriously my towniest read right now- lurking or not.
Your try to scumpaint SS is bad and you should feel bal.
vote: Seprix
E-lynch is happening, Yey!
Vote: e
My plan still leaves Seprix unchecked though...
I'm watching you. I guess it misses Hydrad as well. I think. For some reason I thought it did before. I still think we should go for it though.My plan still leaves Seprix unchecked though...
I'm town so no worries!
But you role blocked TA the night he investigated you
But you role blocked TA the night he investigated you
Sure. That's hilarious that happened. Also, you covered for me, so I burned no metals on that day. Looks good for me.
So TA, who have you targeted again?
I commuted. That might also be the reason
I just got made part of what appears to be an anonymous-until-posting neighborhood. If I die it is probably a trap. Based on the flavor of the neighborhood I could see it being a trap.
I got hit by tin last night. Who hit me with tin?
Generally you won't be notified if an action is successful or not beyond whatever the outcome of the action is. If your action retrieves a result (e.g., an investigation) and you're blocked somehow, you would receive "No Result".
Witherweaver: He seems pretty towny to me. Which is pretty much the reason why he could be not town. I also feel like Hydrad's claim that there was a scum named the voice might have been correct. And only one of the remaining two scum would have claimed VT. So maybe the other scum is among WW and mail-mi?
Sure I was thinking of claiming mine soon anyways as by myself its not much use so i'm hoping someone else can use it well.
Every odd night I get a name of a scum PR
N1 = Anger
N3 = The Voice
Wait a sec. Gkrieg, did you commute and vig?yes
Wait a sec. Gkrieg, did you commute and vig?yes
Wait a sec. Gkrieg, did you commute and vig?
Wait a sec. Gkrieg, did you commute and vig?
Do you get any result back TA?
I still think it's one of the VTs. So either mail-mi, or WW
So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
Day 1 Final Vote Count:
XP (9): chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob, EFHW, Hydrad
hockeysemlan (2): silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (6): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, gkrieg13
Not Voting (0):
With 17 alive, it took 9 to lynch.
D2 Final Vote Count:
2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaverEgorK(8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA
Not Voting (2): IG, EgorK
With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.
Final Day 3 Vote Count:
Seprix (2): 2.7, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): Ghacob
mail-mi (1): gkrieg132.7(7): silverspawn, mail-mi, Hydrad, TwistedArcher, Seprix, hockeysemlan
Not Voting (3): witherweaver, IG, chairs
With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Final Day 4 Vote Count:Ghacob(6): mail-mi, Seprix, Hydrad, gkrieg13, hockey, EFHW
Not Voting (5): witherweaver, IG, Ghacob, TA, chairs
With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Day 5 Final Vote Count:
WW (1): chairs
TwistedArcher (2): Hydrad, hockey
hockey (5): gkrieg13, mail-mi, seprix, ww, TA
Not Voting (1): IG
With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
I agree with you on me being biased. I'm just trying to put my thoughts out there.So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
Don't you think you're a little biased here by knowing what the role was? He also didn't claim it was dependent on you, he claimed it was dependent on "a town member". We had no reason to believe he was telling the truth.
I'm fine lynching from WW or mail-mi today.
So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
I just saw that. You were saying it would be a good idea to lynch though. With e being tied, this might just have been a message to other scum buddies that they could flip and lynch town instead of losing a teammate D1.So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
For XP? I was already voting him before the end of the day.
I just saw that. You were saying it would be a good idea to lynch though. With e being tied, this might just have been a message to other scum buddies that they could flip and lynch town instead of losing a teammate D1.So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
For XP? I was already voting him before the end of the day.
I just saw that. You were saying it would be a good idea to lynch though. With e being tied, this might just have been a message to other scum buddies that they could flip and lynch town instead of losing a teammate D1.So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
For XP? I was already voting him before the end of the day.
... It would not be lynching town. XP claimed third party. Of course he was a good lynch.
Seprix was on every wagon that went to lynch. haha
PPE. I get that. It would still make sense to lynch him instead of a teammate.
I just got made part of what appears to be an anonymous-until-posting neighborhood. If I die it is probably a trap. Based on the flavor of the neighborhood I could see it being a trap.
... did you get any metal pierced through your body?
I just saw that. You were saying it would be a good idea to lynch though. With e being tied, this might just have been a message to other scum buddies that they could flip and lynch town instead of losing a teammate D1.So looking back at day 1, EFHW, TA, Hydrad, and WW are all around at the end of the day and all say they will hammer. I get the 3rd party thing, but XP said that his win condition was dependent on me being alive at the end of the game. It seems to me that this is a hard 3rd party role to team up with scum at the end of the game. Seeing as 2 scum are in this group, I wouldn't be surprised if TA or WW are scum.
For XP? I was already voting him before the end of the day.
... It would not be lynching town. XP claimed third party. Of course he was a good lynch.
He was a 3rd party that needed a specific town member alive at the end of the game. It is hard to team up with scum when that is your wincon.
@chairs I think it's time you claimed your targets on all the nights and what your modification is on doctor. aka full-claim.
@chairs I think it's time you claimed your targets on all the nights and what your modification is on doctor. aka full-claim.
I believe I've already done that, but...
N1 / N2 - I targeted UoS.
N3 - I targeted EFHW (but I'm not sure I actually did, because I apparently accidentally used <b> instead of the correct brackets).
N4/N5 - I targeted Gkrieg13.
There's no modification listed on my actual role, but there's phrasing in the PM (that I don't think I'm allowed to directly quote) that implies there are kills in this game that I cannot prevent.
TA wasn't blocked. I am not ruin, not an I scum. Just a simple rebellious skaa.
Has anyone posted in the neighborhood? What's the flavor?
TA wasn't blocked. I am not ruin, not an I scum. Just a simple rebellious skaa.
Who should we lynch today?
Has anyone posted in the neighborhood? What's the flavor?
I'm in it too, did I say that? It's called the back alley. Just hi's so far.
So.... who made the neighborhood?
So.... who made the neighborhood?
It doesn't say, and no one is claiming to have made it.
So.... who made the neighborhood?
It doesn't say, and no one is claiming to have made it.
And how many hi's have there been?
So.... who made the neighborhood?
It doesn't say, and no one is claiming to have made it.
And how many hi's have there been?
3. Me chairs seprix
I think I'm leaning toward mail-mi or WW at this point.
I think I'm leaning toward mail-mi or WW at this point.
The fact that no one is claiming making the neighborhood makes me lean Seprix/Chairs, actually. If no one claims the neighborhood, it's scum enabled, right?
Wait gkrieg, what's your win condition?It's the town one. I don't know why XP said what he said. I think he just misunderstood because of the survivor thing.
Wait gkrieg, what's your win condition?It's the town one. I don't know why XP said what he said. I think he just misunderstood because of the survivor thing.
NopeWait gkrieg, what's your win condition?It's the town one. I don't know why XP said what he said. I think he just misunderstood because of the survivor thing.
Ok, it's not linked to xp being alive at all?
It is not me. TA already investigated me, I'm not ruin.
It is not me. TA already investigated me, I'm not ruin.
Then who is?
What's going on in the neighborhood?
There was a coin kill you did not account for, correct? 3rd party can also push lynches. No way 3rd party cannot kill in this game besides. How can 3rd party win otherwise?
There was a coin kill you did not account for, correct? 3rd party can also push lynches. No way 3rd party cannot kill in this game besides. How can 3rd party win otherwise?
I agree. There was the faust coin kill that wasn't me. It still seems weird to me that since N1, we have only had 1 kill a night. Also the 3rd party / scum probably set up the neighborhood for you guys. Because why would town make a neighborhood that didn't include either of the ICs.
Didn't you roleblock TA N1?There was a coin kill you did not account for, correct? 3rd party can also push lynches. No way 3rd party cannot kill in this game besides. How can 3rd party win otherwise?
I agree. There was the faust coin kill that wasn't me. It still seems weird to me that since N1, we have only had 1 kill a night. Also the 3rd party / scum probably set up the neighborhood for you guys. Because why would town make a neighborhood that didn't include either of the ICs.
Only 1 kill a night is very odd. Someone might be getting blocked. Perhaps 3rd Party can't kill of Scum is killing. Scum might have been blocked in N1 when I RBd or someone else did? I'm not so sure Chairs got lucky every time with Doctoring. Maybe he did, I dunno.
@chairs I think it's time you claimed your targets on all the nights and what your modification is on doctor. aka full-claim.
I believe I've already done that, but...
N1 / N2 - I targeted UoS.
N3 - I targeted EFHW (but I'm not sure I actually did, because I apparently accidentally used <b> instead of the correct brackets).
N4/N5 - I targeted Gkrieg13.
There's no modification listed on my actual role, but there's phrasing in the PM (that I don't think I'm allowed to directly quote) that implies there are kills in this game that I cannot prevent.
Do those involve feruchemy? Like a specific type? Or is it just the wording?
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is this: There's no way Ash gives town someone as powerful as Gkraig. I think it's quite likely he is the 3rd party player.I wouldn't be so powerful if XP hadn't died D1. It would not have been so beneficial to town if I had only been given powers on D4 or something. Plus, my lover already flipped town and said that his lover was town. And there is no alignment-switching in RMM right?
I find it reasonable to believe that gkrieger15 is Ruin.
vote: gkrieg13
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is this: There's no way Ash gives town someone as powerful as Gkraig. I think it's quite likely he is the 3rd party player.I wouldn't be so powerful if XP hadn't died D1. It would not have been so beneficial to town if I had only been given powers on D4 or something. Plus, my lover already flipped town and said that his lover was town. And there is no alignment-switching in RMM right?
TA investigated me too
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is this: There's no way Ash gives town someone as powerful as Gkraig. I think it's quite likely he is the 3rd party player.I wouldn't be so powerful if XP hadn't died D1. It would not have been so beneficial to town if I had only been given powers on D4 or something. Plus, my lover already flipped town and said that his lover was town. And there is no alignment-switching in RMM right?
Is there really? vote: gkraig13
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is this: There's no way Ash gives town someone as powerful as Gkraig. I think it's quite likely he is the 3rd party player.I wouldn't be so powerful if XP hadn't died D1. It would not have been so beneficial to town if I had only been given powers on D4 or something. Plus, my lover already flipped town and said that his lover was town. And there is no alignment-switching in RMM right?
Is there really? vote: gkraig13
I can see a pretty strong argument for Seprix and for Gkrieg right now.What is the argument for me?
unvote while I sort this out.
I can see a pretty strong argument for Seprix and for Gkrieg right now.What is the argument for me?
unvote while I sort this out.
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is this: There's no way Ash gives town someone as powerful as Gkraig. I think it's quite likely he is the 3rd party player.I wouldn't be so powerful if XP hadn't died D1. It would not have been so beneficial to town if I had only been given powers on D4 or something. Plus, my lover already flipped town and said that his lover was town. And there is no alignment-switching in RMM right?
Is there really? vote: gkraig13
Your votes really make no sense. Why would I vig two members of the mafia if I were anti-town? They were also two members of the mafia that weren't under heavy fire from town. EFHW had only two votes on her, and Hydrad didn't ever have a big wagon on him.
PPE
I can see a pretty strong argument for Seprix and for Gkrieg right now.What is the argument for me?
unvote while I sort this out.
You sound too OP.
The neighborhood must have been made by anti-town, to draw in other anti-town, to try to win the game. Ruin must be in there.
The problem with this is that Chairs is a 'Doctor'. Is there a way we can prove his claims to be reasonably possibly incorrect?
They've both been more than happy to jump aboard the third-party hunting wagon today, which I think is a position mafia wants to take.
It actually makes sense, flavor-wise, for Ruin to be a "hidden" character, where the death of a specific character turns them into Ruin and changes their alignment.The last thing that doesn't make sense flavor-wise, is that all of my powers are the powers of a mistborn, like burning metals, which isn't what ruin has at all.
I too think that Gkrieg is the most likely candidate for third-party, if we have a third-party. But I'm not 100% sure that's true, and I'm not sure enough that I think I want to consider his lynch today. I'm thinking searching for mafia at this point is better. The fact that this QT exists, and that Chairs/Seprix are voting for Gkrieg, makes me think it's more likely that they're scum than WW/Mail-mi, so I don't think I want to lynch in WW/Mail-mi today -- they're off the table for me today. Ichi is off the table while Gkrieg is alive, obviously. That leaves Gkrieg, who I've already said I would prefer to not lynch today, and Chairs/Seprix. They've both been more than happy to jump aboard the third-party hunting wagon today, which I think is a position mafia wants to take.
Is there a reason why we're assuming Ruin has to be third party, rather than mafia? Just based on flavor?
Another thing to consider is this: Gkraig has gotten incredibly lucky with Mafia kills. Like, incredibly lucky. Who else could have killed that other guy with the coin in N1 or N2? Kraig says it isn't him. Well, who was it then? Things don't add up. Kraig would be dead by now if he was town I'd think.
Seprix is claiming gkrieg13 is a third-party (probably SK).
gkrieg is claiming Seprix is a Mafioso.
SK usually has 1-shot BP or something similar; it's also possible that me doctoring him the last couple nights prevented kill shots as well since I didn't consider third-party as an option until now - although I'm confused as to why I'm not dead.Or why IG, the IC isn't dead
Chairs, IG, OR Gkraig aren't dead somehow. I mean, what? What else is there to think about? We have to be missing something.
Chairs, IG, OR Gkraig aren't dead somehow. I mean, what? What else is there to think about? We have to be missing something.
Why are you assuming chairs isn't mafia?
Chairs, IG, OR Gkraig aren't dead somehow. I mean, what? What else is there to think about? We have to be missing something.
Why are you assuming chairs isn't mafia?
TA does it seem like Seprix and Chairs are working together in the neighborhood?
I just meant, does it seem like they are together aka part of another scum team or something.Chairs, IG, OR Gkraig aren't dead somehow. I mean, what? What else is there to think about? We have to be missing something.
Why are you assuming chairs isn't mafia?
TA does it seem like Seprix and Chairs are working together in the neighborhood?
How could this be?
Chairs, IG, OR Gkraig aren't dead somehow. I mean, what? What else is there to think about? We have to be missing something.
Why are you assuming chairs isn't mafia?
TA does it seem like Seprix and Chairs are working together in the neighborhood?
Just looking more into the possibility. It was just the way they both voted for me.Chairs, IG, OR Gkraig aren't dead somehow. I mean, what? What else is there to think about? We have to be missing something.
Why are you assuming chairs isn't mafia?
TA does it seem like Seprix and Chairs are working together in the neighborhood?
Not really? Are you suggesting they're both scum, and we have a scum team of 5?
Chairs hasn't really participated much in the QT
Well I see four cases:Couldn't 4 still be likely if ruin is split into two people like the lord ruler was? Also if there is no SK, would 3 mafia and a 3rd party ruin be balanced? Because I'm really not an SK, which means that town has someone as powerful as me. That makes it sound like 3-2 for mafia teams seems more balanced.
1) We have a single SK left.
2) We have a single Mafia member left.
3) We have a Mafia and an SK left.
4) We have a Mafia team left. (I guess this is two cases: it's a separate second team or there was only one team of at least 5. I'm not sure if the latter case is balanced. Is 3v3 multiball balanced here? 3v2?)
So, no way Gkrieg is on the Lord Protector's team: he admitted to shooting EFHW and Hydrad. Anyone else could conceivably be any of the cases, so hedgewise we're better of not lynching Gkrieg.
Well, actually I don't think we can be in (2), because Ruin doesn't make sense as Mafia. And (1) might be too strong for town.. that would be 3 Mafia, 13 Town, 1 SK. Wheel of Time was 3 Mafia, 9 Town, 1 SK. So we're probably in 3 or 4, and still 3 fits better flavor-wise. I think we're better off going for Mafia instead of Ruin.
Well, death flavor indicates another killing faction, but it could be a limited or modified killing capability. Maybe it's based on resource (the metal burnt), or modified in another way for balance.The only death that can't be explained is Faust's. I know the Lord Ruler could use allomancy so maybe they just decided not to the other nights? Maybe they attempted two kills the first night, but their allomancy coin kill was 1-shot. Chairs could just be getting really lucky.
so we're lynching Chairs? And Gkraig NKs me if Chairs doesn't flip? I know I'm town, but what if Chairs is town too? Ugh...I think we're lynching you. No one has said what I should do at night.
Well, death flavor indicates another killing faction, but it could be a limited or modified killing capability. Maybe it's based on resource (the metal burnt), or modified in another way for balance.The only death that can't be explained is Faust's. I know the Lord Ruler could use allomancy so maybe they just decided not to the other nights? Maybe they attempted two kills the first night, but their allomancy coin kill was 1-shot. Chairs could just be getting really lucky.
so we're lynching Chairs? And Gkraig NKs me if Chairs doesn't flip? I know I'm town, but what if Chairs is town too? Ugh...I think we're lynching you. No one has said what I should do at night.
Sorry I'm not being a very good IC right now. I know I said that earlier too.Why not?
I kinda don't want to lynch Seprix today.
PPE: 1
What's the case against him?Mainly it's the way he is going after me and saying I'm an SK. It doesn't make sense, because I would have had to switch alignments. I'm definitely up for other lynches if someone presents a good case, but I would also be fine with a Seprix lynch.
He doesn't seem like the way he's played scum before to me this game. He seems like frustrated town.
Question to everyone: Did you hit TA with tin last night? I want everyone to answer. Also TA, you know you were hit by tin last night? night?
When Gkraig scanned me, I had no objects hit me.
...like a Roleblock...? I swear I didn't hit TA.How do you roleblock? Like flavorwise?
...like a Roleblock...? I swear I didn't hit TA.How do you roleblock? Like flavorwise?
Does ruin use hemalurgy?
Does ruin use hemalurgy?
Ruin is more of an influential power. He can communicate (generally in a deceptive way) and to some extent control those with metal pierced through their body (which is how you do Hemalurgy). More metal and weaker spirit means Ruin can more easily control them. Ruin can also effect the world directly through written word (he can change any text that is not written in Steel).
I probably just spoilered something with that. Try to forget it by the time you read the series.haha. With all of these metal powers going around, it seems weird to me that Seprix would be town, when his power doesn't use any metals. But I might just be tunneling at this point.
In fact, flavor-wise it's basically implied that I learned how to fix people up from time spent working for nobles and am now applying that towards the rebellion's cause; if I didn't know metals were a part of this game from elsewhere (like the wikia I found for mistborn) I'd be confused as to why it was brought up.
We need IG aroundI'm here. Kinda.
Before we do, what should I do during the night? Or would it be better not to discuss it?
We need IG aroundI'm here. Kinda.
I'm inclined to think chairs is scum atm.
vote: Chairs
I'm a mislynch, guys...
TA screwed up his fake claim, WW even pointed it out.
His cover up was pretty weak -- town should have been all over that.
Now, Ashersky said that Town has the win because someone slipped up and we all missed it apparently. I'd like to know where the slip was, so I can improve my game. :p
Now, Ashersky said that Town has the win because someone slipped up and we all missed it apparently. I'd like to know where the slip was, so I can improve my game. :p
I mean, I scumslipped, got called out on it, and somehow everyone just let it slide.
So I was kinda sad to be a vtMe too.
And you got nervous just because we missed a kill deadline!Yeah, sorry about all that. I thought we had a plan to win, and then it kept seeming like people were not following it. The e lynch bothered me a lot. I wasn't voting him, so I think that would have protected TA and Hydrad from suspicion for not voting him either. So when we also missed the nk, I broke my own rule and let my imagination get away from me.
That was a very fun first game though!You had very good aim! Most vigs do not hit 2 scum in one game. I think you could have maximized your power earlier on by using tin to make ICs.
It was one shot thoughThat was a very fun first game though!You had very good aim! Most vigs do not hit 2 scum in one game. I think you could have maximized your power earlier on by using tin to make ICs.
oh, I see. Missed that.It was one shot thoughThat was a very fun first game though!You had very good aim! Most vigs do not hit 2 scum in one game. I think you could have maximized your power earlier on by using tin to make ICs.
Gkrieg who were you going to shoot last night before you switched to Mail-Mi? Me or TA?TA. I think I would have suspected you the next day after the two flips.
As some will see in the speccy (http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/eFXKfKcsRex), I thought there was an edgecase, then decided there wasn't, then thought I'd let the game play out anyway, then realized that was probably mean.Would the edge case be a no lynch and then I vig both TA and WW?
As some will see in the speccy (http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/eFXKfKcsRex), I thought there was an edgecase, then decided there wasn't, then thought I'd let the game play out anyway, then realized that was probably mean.Would the edge case be a no lynch and then I vig both TA and WW?
Was was personally disinterested for awhile, but when he got into the game, made a big difference.
Was was personally disinterested for awhile, but when he got into the game, made a big difference.
Was this part pertaining to me?
Yeah.. it wasn't entirely disinterest; it was a combination of a bit of annoyance from stuff that had happened before this game started and things getting busy in real life.
The rest of the team carried me for, like, the first three or four game days, so that was cool.