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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 4 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2175 on: November 11, 2014, 10:45:10 pm »

The Rules:

5. Prods of missing players will be issued automatically after 24 hours of no activity (VLA posts in the official VLA thread negate automatic prods). A prodded player has 24 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to replacement without further notice.

Games usually get very lax about inactivity in later days, and I have done the same thing.  However, after 4 days of inactivity, this is a second prod on Jimmmmm.  One more prod will result in a mod-kill.

I had forgotten that I had previously stated this as my ruling for prods.  Anyway, it has been 24+ hours since Jimmmmm's last post, which is the actual rule for prods, plus he already received that third prod I talked about.  Therefore,

Jimmmmm has been mod-killed.  He was Courtnee, the Town Detective.

Solo the Serial Killer Wins! Congratulations Ashersky!

MVP goes to Ashersky, whose tireless efforts, reads, and night action decisions led to the setup confusion and madness that eventually caught Ichimaru Gin as the traitor and won him the game.
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Man. I had four strips of bacon yesterday. Was one automatically undercooked, one automatically overcooked? No, let's put a stop to that right here, all four strips were excellent.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2176 on: November 11, 2014, 10:45:31 pm »

N1 actions:

ash skips kill, 1-shot BP townie
ichi roleblocks jimmmmm--success
hydrad kills ADK--success
joth investigates silverspawn--result: has not killed
Silverspawn jailkeeps ashersky--success

jimmmmm does not commute

N2 actions:

Ichi roleblocks Joth
faust kills Ashersky (fails- Ash commuted)
silverspawn jails eevee - success
joth investigates eevee - fails - "no result"
Ash- skips kill, commutes (does not use 1-shot BP)

Jimmmmm does not commute

N3 actions:

Faust roleblocks silverspawn - success
Faust kills joth - success
Silverspawn jailkeeps eevee - fails
Ashersky kills silverspawn - success
Ashersky uses 1-shot investigative immune - success
Joth investigates faust - success (but dead)

Jimmmmm does not commute

N4 actions

faust RBs Ash, skips kill - fails due to strongman
Ash strongman kills faust - success
Jimmmmm commutes
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 4 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2178 on: November 11, 2014, 10:46:45 pm »

madness that eventually caught Ichimaru Gin
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2179 on: November 11, 2014, 10:55:34 pm »

Wow. Surprised that my partner's thought I was the SK for so long. From the way they defended me, I thought they knew I was the traitor...

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2180 on: November 11, 2014, 11:05:13 pm »

Wait what?  I think this is 100% the wrong call.

There's no pressure here for Jimmm to keep posting, he just has to vote before deadline.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2181 on: November 11, 2014, 11:06:26 pm »

This is wrong wrong wrong wrong.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2182 on: November 11, 2014, 11:28:04 pm »

A mod shouldn't decide the game like that.  Especially in a situation like this.  There is nothing more to say.. all the evidence is back in the 50 some pages of posts.  There's only one person that has to make a decision and that decision is barely---if at all---going to be aided by conversation with the rest of us. 

I could understand shortening the day or telling Jimmm he has to vote now, but outright killing him like that and forfeitting the game for town doesn't make sense.  Jimmmm has until the end of the day, and he doesn't necessarily need to interact with us.  Why make him check in every 24 hours with an empty post?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2183 on: November 11, 2014, 11:37:13 pm »

Well, I'm sure it feels unfair to town.

I do think, given it was stated publicly in-thread that he was modkilled at next prod, it's the right call.

I know Jimmmmm has been busy with real life, as have many other players throughout the ages.  At some point, the punishment gets severe.

Think about it a different way -- no other player was able to affect the game at all.  That's unfair to me, to you, to anyone, due to the inactivity of one player who can (unintentionally as well) hold the rest of the game hostage.  That's why the rules are there.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2184 on: November 11, 2014, 11:38:43 pm »

Yeah but there's no more play.  Earlier on I can understand, but we're waiting for nothing except the game ending.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2185 on: November 11, 2014, 11:39:49 pm »

This could have happened yesterday and we would have (most surely) lost and I'd have no argument.  But there was really no reason for him to post.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2186 on: November 11, 2014, 11:44:58 pm »

I like this in the mafia QT:

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ashersky. Uhh, playing against ashersky is hard, almost as hard as playing on ashersky's side... he's a good player, but often misunderstood.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2187 on: November 11, 2014, 11:46:39 pm »

This could have happened yesterday and we would have (most surely) lost and I'd have no argument.  But there was really no reason for him to post.

If it happened yesterday, and the day continued and we lynched Eevee, you would have been kingmaker, since Faust would have RB + Kill, forcing me to BP and not kill.

If it happened yesterday, and the day ended...well, it's me/faust/you/eevee...I still shoot faust, so if faust kills town there, I win, if not, it's lylo.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2188 on: November 11, 2014, 11:49:49 pm »

This could have happened yesterday and we would have (most surely) lost and I'd have no argument.  But there was really no reason for him to post.

If it happened yesterday, and the day continued and we lynched Eevee, you would have been kingmaker, since Faust would have RB + Kill, forcing me to BP and not kill.

If it happened yesterday, and the day ended...well, it's me/faust/you/eevee...I still shoot faust, so if faust kills town there, I win, if not, it's lylo.

I mean whatever happens, I'm not complaining about the mod intervention.  But in this case, Jimmmmm did not need to be posting.  There was no tomorrow he was holding us from.

At the *very* least he should have gotten a final warning, like vote now or you'll be killed.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day 5 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #2189 on: November 11, 2014, 11:52:19 pm »

The situation was "Jimmmmm, pick a winner by day end".  Why should it be " Jimmmmm pick a winner by day end, but if you don't post frequently enough I'm going to pick for you."?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2190 on: November 11, 2014, 11:57:10 pm »

It wasn't "pick a winner" so much as "win or lose."  Slightly different.

If it was me and faust he was choosing between, his inactivity would have resulted in my win over faust based on the OP.

Not sure why he didn't vote up to now.  I'm guessing he would have lynched me, although I feel like I played pretty well.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2191 on: November 12, 2014, 12:05:15 am »

Well whomever he voted for lost.  So he was effectively picking.

I'd like to know who he would have voted for. I feel like the thing that indicated you were SK is that you were pretty under the radar and non controversial. 
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« Reply #2192 on: November 12, 2014, 12:06:02 am »

Well whomever he voted for lost.  So he was effectively picking.

I'd like to know who he would have voted for. I feel like the thing that indicated you were SK is that you were pretty under the radar and non controversial too towny.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2193 on: November 12, 2014, 12:06:48 am »

Though I didn't really realize that until recently.  And, of course, I already knew, so hindsight.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2194 on: November 12, 2014, 12:07:57 am »

Ha, well, I've never seen town you not get in a huge argument  or some big controversy.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2195 on: November 12, 2014, 12:08:28 am »

I was excited to roll SK, as I'd never played it before and had always wanted to.  I don't think I was much suspected at all until the last two days, when I sort of had to be suspected.

I see now that Faust shot me when I commuted, but it seemed like he didn't suspect me until much later.

Sorry Eevee, for thinking you were mafia.  You really did paint yourself into that corner though.  If I had listened to you on faust, the game might have ended sooner.

That last night really worked out in my favor, though.  Faust thought it was a bad idea, but I figured I had to try.  I actually expected Faust to shoot me, so that we'd be going into today with 4 alive.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2196 on: November 12, 2014, 12:08:51 am »

Ha, well, I've never seen town you not get in a huge argument  or some big controversy.

I had the requisite fight with Jimmmmm, actually.  Don't you recall?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2197 on: November 12, 2014, 12:12:41 am »

I strongly, strongly protest.  >:(
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2198 on: November 12, 2014, 12:51:16 am »

I figured it might be good to have someone whose independent of either wincon chime in. For what it's worth, I think e made the right call. He was following Yuma's guidelines, which made it clear what to do in this instance. I can understand it being difficult to take but hard calls have to be made sometimes.

So as someone who has no bias to either town's or the SK's interests, just wanted to say your decision has my support e!

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!
« Reply #2199 on: November 12, 2014, 04:20:01 am »

Fo what it's worth, I think the decision to mod-kill Jimmmmmm was unfortunate. That ruling in the OP is primarily there to be able to replace heavy-lurking players. It specifically says "replacement", not "mod kill". Punishing a whole faction for a single player's inactivity seems unfair.
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