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[Witherweaver]

I'm going to Reread day 2.  Still want Jimmmmm input.

[faust]

There's still plenty of time. I want to reread WW, who is the only one I don't really have an opinion on. Hopefully that happens some time during the weekend.

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Vote Count 4.2

Eevee (1): faust
faust (1): Eevee

Not Voting (3): ashersky, witherweaver, Jimmmmm

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline for Day 4 will be Tuesday, November 4, at 5:00 PM forum time.

[faust]

Note that scum may want to quickhammer. No hasty moves from here on.

[ashersky]

Well, one scum quick hammering another isn't the worst thing.  It gives us possible lylo tomorrow with a scummy quick hammer.

[ashersky]

Well, one scum quick hammering another isn't the worst thing.  It gives us possible lylo tomorrow with a scummy quick hammer.

Then again, from my perspective, scum are voting for each other, unless I'm wrong on WW.

[faust]

Well, one scum quick hammering another isn't the worst thing.  It gives us possible lylo tomorrow with a scummy quick hammer.

Well, one scum hammering town is bad though.

[ashersky]

Well, one scum quick hammering another isn't the worst thing.  It gives us possible lylo tomorrow with a scummy quick hammer.

Well, one scum hammering town is bad though.

Yes.  But it's actually bad for scum, too, I think.

If both scum are alive going into the night, it seems like a game of chicken, since other than Jimmmmm, no one's fully cleared.

[faust]

Well, one scum quick hammering another isn't the worst thing.  It gives us possible lylo tomorrow with a scummy quick hammer.

Well, one scum hammering town is bad though.

Yes.  But it's actually bad for scum, too, I think.

If both scum are alive going into the night, it seems like a game of chicken, since other than Jimmmmm, no one's fully cleared.

Hmmm, maybe. I was thinking mafia could just roleblock SK, so they might want to hammer... but of course that requires them to know who the SK is.

[faust]

ash, where do you stand on me vs Eevee right now?

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The Rules:

5. Prods of missing players will be issued automatically after 24 hours of no activity (VLA posts in the official VLA thread negate automatic prods). A prodded player has 24 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to replacement without further notice.

Games usually get very lax about inactivity in later days, and I have done the same thing.  However, after 4 days of inactivity, this is a second prod on Jimmmmm.  One more prod will result in a mod-kill.

[ashersky]

ash, where do you stand on me vs Eevee right now?

I was very confident in my mafia read on eevee, from the end of day 2 on.  So that left you vs. Ww for SK.

I think I need to reread Ww to make sure that town read is right, I guess.

[Jimmmmm]

Responding to prod. I will have some time this weekend.

[Witherweaver]

Good.  Mod kill would be, like, catastrophic for us.

[faust]

Rereading Witherweaver:

The first thing of notice he does is presuring silver to reveal the reason for his fakeclaim. That's not a SK thing to do I think, since it puts attention on you and if silver was indeed mafia, gives them a reason to kill you.

He then continues to push Ichi, which is null, as he couldn't have known his alignment as scum. There's the whole "what will you flip" issue, which I wouldn't expect from a SK for similar reasons.

The beginning of D2 features WW going SK hunting, which is a scummy thing to do. Then he votes for Hydrad (due to PoE mostly)... I think that vote can easily come from a partner, there was not yet any danger of him being lynched. He presses him more strongly during the course of the game though...

WW's initial reaction to Ichi's claim is "I think I believe him". Mafia would of course know that Ichi is lying. And mafia doesn't want Ichi dead. Ultimately, I can see mafia!WW thinking "Hydrad is surely going down, better for me to push him hard". He would want his other partner alive though. Seeing his reactions to the mass claim will be interesting.

Okay, what do we have... he supports lynching Eevee to clear silver (which is good, as long as Eevee gets lynched, noone needs to lynch Ichi). But then, he settles on Ichi, which is a very dangerous thing to do. Of course multiple players thought WW was town, maybe he thought he could win on his own... but why take the risk? Okay, now he unvotes again. He then seems undecided for a long time, suspecting Eevee, silver, Ichi. Also tries to throw Jimmmmm into the discussion when people have settled on Ichi vs silver. He puts Ichi to L-1, maybe assumes he can't keep him alive without looking very bad the next day. After joth's intent to hammer, WW thinks about silver again.

The last thing to note is the WW/Ichi exchange after Ichi was lynched. This looks townie for WW, but could be Ichi trying to make his partner look townie.

In the end, I think WW is much more likely to be mafia than to be SK. Which means we lynch Eevee, and based on his alignment, it should be possible to find out who of ash/WW is the remaining scum.

[Witherweaver]

I think you're missing that I was the only one that wanted Hydrad lynched for quite  a while.  I don't think it would have happened without me.  You can say bussing, but the narrative for that is a stretch at best. 

[faust]

I think you're missing that I was the only one that wanted Hydrad lynched for quite  a while.  I don't think it would have happened without me.  You can say bussing, but the narrative for that is a stretch at best.

Yeah, each mafia narrative for someone that is not Eevee requires some sort of stretch. Which is why I want Eevee lynched.

[Witherweaver]

Well, you and Eevee.

[faust]

Well, you and Eevee.

For me, the mafia narrative for myself requires the biggest stretch...

[Witherweaver]

I was just pointing out what the dilemma is for the rest of us.  You and Eevee have it easiest.

[faust]

I was just pointing out what the dilemma is for the rest of us.  You and Eevee have it easiest.

I see that, but I think the facts should speak for Eevee as mafia. I don't see a good narrative for no kill N2 otherwise.

[Eevee]

I was just pointing out what the dilemma is for the rest of us.  You and Eevee have it easiest.

I see that, but I think the facts should speak for Eevee as mafia. I don't see a good narrative for no kill N2 otherwise.

I think your voting history is very very mafia-like. I don't know why they'd shoot me or if Jimmm commuted, but it's not out of the realm unlikely like you are making it out to be.

Really interested for Jimmm's input. Seems ash is going to vote for me, so both WW and Jimmm have to get it right or we lose.

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Vote Count 4.4

Eevee (1): faust
faust (1): Eevee

Not Voting (3): ashersky, witherweaver, Jimmmmm

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline for Day 4 will be Tuesday, November 4, at 5:00 PM forum time.

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Prods are automatic and do not have to be requested in this game.  I am being more lenient than stated in the rules (as previously quoted) but will issue prods after 48 hours of inactivity.

[faust]

So deadline is only 2.5 days away. I'll say it right now, I won't be around. Last time I will be able to check in is probably around noon that day. So you better get any questions you still have for me in until then (particularly Jimmmmm).