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[silverspawn]

I did.

I missed that. but in any case, if you haven't done it already, you did now, so cool. onto step #2

2. Anyone who can contradict the claimant claims. If noone does, massclaim, and we'll get two contradicting claims. We lynch one of them. Stop here.

I can't contradict it, and neither can anyone else, because noone claimed. so now we massclaim? cool.

I am a Jailkeeper. I targeted ash day one, because I was under the false impression that he was a valuable town player this game. I targeted Eevee day two. Noone has died, so either Eevee is scum, or scum tried to kill Eevee. I'm inclined to think the former. He was buddying me way too hard, and he tried defending Hydrad. I'm about 90% that he's scum, also because if he's town, why would scum try to kill him.

So, joth and Jimmm need to claim. If one of them claims JK, lynch him, he flips traitor, and that's that. If their roles contradict, lynch one of them. We don't have to lynch Eevee, because if he's scum, I can just keep imprisoning him (only one scum can do the NK), and if he's not scum, well then lynching him is bad anyway. So, no Eevee lynch today. We probably get the traitor today, maybe tomorrow, and then we can do Eevee. Unless there is a kill in the next night, then things are more complicated. But then Eevee is an IC.

[silverspawn]

Oh, and this is the setup we're playing:

Watcher, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; 2-shot JOAT

I knew this the whole time, so all of the complicated setup talk was completely unnecessary. either joth or Jimmmm is the watcher. that could be good results too.

[ashersky]

I think each PR should decide on their own if they think a claim is worthwhile.

Each PR can look at the possible setups and decide if there are specific combinations work testing for.  If you play Hearthstone, this is dropping your 1 mana minion to test for Mirror Image before dropping your big one.

It has been shown that claiming at this point doesn't catch anyone.  I don't know why anyone would push so hard for everyone to claim now that we know it's useless (in the context of finding the fake claim).  Someone claiming Detective now just let's scum know who is what.

Why is this not clear?  Sure, if two of the three claim the same role, then woo hoo.  But that would be fairly stupid, given scum know the actual setup within 2 groupings no matter what.

Really? We have guaranteed one scum in four and you don't think we should try to catch scum/create ICs within that group?

It's a thought worth pursuing, but I'm not convinced it is the best use of our PRs.  Undeclared PRs live longer (as SS is arguing with his VT lie).

[ashersky]

Oh, and this is the setup we're playing:

Watcher, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; 2-shot JOAT

I knew this the whole time, so all of the complicated setup talk was completely unnecessary. either joth or Jimmmm is the watcher. that could be good results too.

Okay.  Can anyone confirm this?

[ashersky]

Eevee's actions at the end of D2, in relation to the wagons, is definitely scummy, which I pointed out earlier.

That he was jailed and there was no kill is a possible scum point for him, too.

If someone can confirm silver's claim, that'd be great.

[silverspawn]

okay and I have to go to the university tomorrow morning, and it's 1am, so I should have been asleep at least an hour ago. I've said all I need to anyway, so yea I'm off now.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm and joth, up to you guys.

[Witherweaver]

I don't believe Silver is scum here.  If he is, he's become much better at it since Game of Thrones.

I also don't think Ash is anti-town here.  If you think this is anti-town, you don't know Ash.

[ashersky]

I don't believe Silver is scum here.  If he is, he's become much better at it since Game of Thrones.

I also don't think Ash is anti-town here.  If you think this is anti-town, you don't know Ash.

I believe silver is being anti-town, but honestly, I agree with you.  I don't see silverspawn pulling this as scum.

He actually really reminds me of Xerxespraelor here.  Believing in this 100% when it's impossible to be 100%, viciously disagreeing with anyone who makes a point against him, etc.

[Jimmmmm]

1-shot Commuter. I believe I breadcrumbed early on, which is actually a first for me.

[Jimmmmm]

Which means either Ichi or silver is scum (if I'm Town).

[ashersky]

Which means either Ichi or silver is scum (if I'm Town).

Right, so claiming so far has told us of the three people who have claimed, three of them can be scum.

Which we already knew.

And I'm crazy for suggesting maybe claiming isn't helpful?

[ashersky]

1-shot Commuter. I believe I breadcrumbed early on, which is actually a first for me.

Someone's going to ask if you've commuted.  I would not answer (unless at L-1 or lynched, I guess).

[ashersky]

1-shot Commuter. I believe I breadcrumbed early on, which is actually a first for me.

Someone's going to ask if you've commuted.  I would not answer (unless at L-1 or lynched, I guess).

I guess you could be the reason no one died last night, but really, why would ANYONE shoot you?  (No offense.)

[Witherweaver]

Huh, interesting.

Joth, any input?

[Jimmmmm]

1-shot Commuter. I believe I breadcrumbed early on, which is actually a first for me.

Someone's going to ask if you've commuted.  I would not answer (unless at L-1 or lynched, I guess).

I guess you could be the reason no one died last night, but really, why would ANYONE shoot you?  (No offense.)

None taken.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, I had a thought some time ago.

Mafia Traitor technically can't kill unless he is recruited or all other Mafia die (which is like being recruited).  So if Psych investigates him before recruitment, does he get not capable of killing?

Ichi, can you ask mod what you would get in this situation?  (That is, investigating Mafia traitor if he is not recruited and while other Mafia is alive.)

[Witherweaver]

Actually, Ash, how often do we lynch Jimmmm?  I can remember... none.  In fact, in every game I played with him I think he was around until LyLo.

[Jimmmmm]

1-shot Commuter. I believe I breadcrumbed early on, which is actually a first for me.

Someone's going to ask if you've commuted.  I would not answer (unless at L-1 or lynched, I guess).

I know.

[ashersky]

Actually, Ash, how often do we lynch Jimmmm?  I can remember... none.  In fact, in every game I played with him I think he was around until LyLo.

He is quite the survivor, but I don't think that's an alignment tell.  He's been at lylo often, as both alignments.

He has great town performances where he deserves to die, but doesn't, I guess.  But this hasn't been one of them.  (No offense.)

[Ichimaru Gin]

Oh, I had a thought some time ago.

Mafia Traitor technically can't kill unless he is recruited or all other Mafia die (which is like being recruited).  So if Psych investigates him before recruitment, does he get not capable of killing?

Ichi, can you ask mod what you would get in this situation?  (That is, investigating Mafia traitor if he is not recruited and while other Mafia is alive.)

Mm. Not sure if that's neccesarry. From my role PM, I feel very certain that I would receive an unable to kill result on an unrecruited traitor--since they don't have the capability to kill at the time I diagnose them.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, I had a thought some time ago.

Mafia Traitor technically can't kill unless he is recruited or all other Mafia die (which is like being recruited).  So if Psych investigates him before recruitment, does he get not capable of killing?

Ichi, can you ask mod what you would get in this situation?  (That is, investigating Mafia traitor if he is not recruited and while other Mafia is alive.)

Mm. Not sure if that's neccesarry. From my role PM, I feel very certain that I would receive an unable to kill result on an unrecruited traitor--since they don't have the capability to kill at the time I diagnose them.

Okay, that's what I assumed, but I wanted to be sure.  That's something to keep in mind.. Ichi's result clears up to:

(1) Investigation Immune.  (By the way, are the shots passive?)
(2) Traitor that isn't recruited.

[Jimmmmm]

Actually, Ash, how often do we lynch Jimmmm?  I can remember... none.  In fact, in every game I played with him I think he was around until LyLo.

He is quite the survivor, but I don't think that's an alignment tell.  He's been at lylo often, as both alignments.

Yeah I don't know what it is, I usually seem to be able to worm my way out of a lynch as Town or scum.

[ashersky]

Oh, I had a thought some time ago.

Mafia Traitor technically can't kill unless he is recruited or all other Mafia die (which is like being recruited).  So if Psych investigates him before recruitment, does he get not capable of killing?

Ichi, can you ask mod what you would get in this situation?  (That is, investigating Mafia traitor if he is not recruited and while other Mafia is alive.)

Mm. Not sure if that's neccesarry. From my role PM, I feel very certain that I would receive an unable to kill result on an unrecruited traitor--since they don't have the capability to kill at the time I diagnose them.

Okay, that's what I assumed, but I wanted to be sure.  That's something to keep in mind.. Ichi's result clears up to:

(1) Investigation Immune.  (By the way, are the shots passive?)
(2) Traitor that isn't recruited.

(3) Anyone who has already killed.

[Jimmmmm]

If there's no SK, there's guaranteed scum in me/silver.