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[Jimmmmm]

Given that we know there are exactly 3 Town non-VTs, would it make sense to claim VT/non-VT? Maybe there's not much point given we already have one claim, but assuming no fakeclaims it does the job of creating ICs, and if we do get fakeclaims we can go from there.

[jotheonah]

I like Jimmmmm's idea.

[silverspawn]

I think if anyone has a role not on that list (i.e. a role that would out Ichi as a liar) they should claim.

If you are either a VT or a role in one of those three, you should post and say "no claim"

Once everyone's responded to that, we can consider having other PRs claim.

why don't we just massclaim?

[jotheonah]

I think if anyone has a role not on that list (i.e. a role that would out Ichi as a liar) they should claim.

If you are either a VT or a role in one of those three, you should post and say "no claim"

Once everyone's responded to that, we can consider having other PRs claim.

why don't we just massclaim?

Most of the powerful town roles are investigative in nature. If we can catch a scum while still allowing our Goon Cop or detective one more night to use their power, that seems better than the alternative.

[Witherweaver]

Ichi should probably give his result after the claim, right?

[silverspawn]

I think if anyone has a role not on that list (i.e. a role that would out Ichi as a liar) they should claim.

If you are either a VT or a role in one of those three, you should post and say "no claim"

Once everyone's responded to that, we can consider having other PRs claim.

why don't we just massclaim?

Most of the powerful town roles are investigative in nature. If we can catch a scum while still allowing our Goon Cop or detective one more night to use their power, that seems better than the alternative.

or we catch them through the masslcaim

what happens when goon cop targets the traitor?

[Witherweaver]

Traitor is not a Goon.

[jotheonah]

Guys I have to go. Date with the ladyfriend tonight and she's not the biggest fan of me constantly checking in on my mafia games. Don't expect I'll be around to participate in claiming until at least tomorrow morning, so I'm going to go ahead and claim Not VT and On the Ichi list. (meaning my role does NOT contradict Ichi's claim)

So now I'm all set if you all go with my plan or Jimmmmm's plan. Bye!

[Witherweaver]

Wait a second.. don't all the options have the same amount of PRs?  So if

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okay that's exactly what Jimmm said. 

Given that we know there are exactly 3 Town non-VTs, would it make sense to claim VT/non-VT? Maybe there's not much point given we already have one claim, but assuming no fakeclaims it does the job of creating ICs, and if we do get fakeclaims we can go from there.

[Witherweaver]

Yeah so VT/not VT makes sense.  If you have a PR that contradicts Ichi's claim, then you obviously know Ichi is scum and should probably say something.

[Eevee]

I worry that there's no IC or obv!town to direct a massclaim in a productive way.

I agree. However, if I were to choose someone to direct it right now, I'd pick ash.

I'd pick silverspawn.

[Jimmmmm]

I think there's a mistake in the OP. Judging by the table, there's no such thing as a 1-shot BP Commuter.

[Witherweaver]

I think there's a mistake in the OP. Judging by the table, there's no such thing as a 1-shot BP Commuter.

That's just one-shot commuter.

[Witherweaver]

I worry that there's no IC or obv!town to direct a massclaim in a productive way.

I agree. However, if I were to choose someone to direct it right now, I'd pick ash.

I'd pick silverspawn.

Man, lynching scum just doesn't give you the town cred it used to.

[Jimmmmm]

Watcher, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; 2-shot JOAT
1-shot BP Commuter, Psychologist, Detective; Mafia Knows Traitor
Goon Cop, Psychologist, Bodyguard; 1-shot Investigation Immune

Also, the only Town role not mentioned here is 1-shot Bulletproof Townie.

[ashersky]

Wait a second.. don't all the options have the same amount of PRs?  So if

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okay that's exactly what Jimmm said. 

Given that we know there are exactly 3 Town non-VTs, would it make sense to claim VT/non-VT? Maybe there's not much point given we already have one claim, but assuming no fakeclaims it does the job of creating ICs, and if we do get fakeclaims we can go from there.

It outs the PRs but not exact roles.

Is that what we want?

Joth has claimed PR.  Ichi yesterday.  There's one more if no one lied.  You get two or more subsequent PR claims and we have to decide which one to lynch.

[Witherweaver]

I think that's okay.

[Jimmmmm]

I am non-VT and non-BP.

[faust]

I need to do more thinking tomorrow. For now, I am a VT.

[ashersky]

Well, with three PR claims, all that matters is further PR claims.

[faust]

Other than all the claiming stuff, I used the night to reread Hydrad. These are my notes:

#103 he defends SS
#185 thinks Ichi is town
#188 WW says Hydrad's defense of Ichi "feels constructed"
#290 votes joth because of his Ichi vote
#413 says he cannot read Xerxes
#475 sheeps my case on WW
WW and Hydrad argue about Ichi
#536 WW says Hydrad is white knighting Ichi
#581 votes Xerxes without much of a reason
#686 WW votes Hydrad because he "keeps forgetting he's in this game" - not partner?
#688 votes me because he doesn't know what my reads are
#690 joth is null on Hydrad
#694 silver votes Hydrad
#806 Eevee defends Hydrad
#809 Hydrad votes Jimmmmmm
#810 WW votes Hydrad
#840 Ichi votes Jimmmmmm, calls the accusations against Hydrad "baseless"
#899 says ashersky feels weird, but is null on him
#950 defends silverspawn
#960 joth prefers Hydrad over Jimmmmmm
#1018 Jimmmmmm prefers Ichi to Hydrad
#1019 silver swaps his vote to Ichi after that
#1031 joth makes an argument for Hydrad being town
#1046 silver says Ichi's claim makes him feel worse about a Hydrad lynch
#1051 silver votes Hydrad (scummy?)
#1052 joth votes Hydrad (scummy?)
#1068 silver urges Hydrad to claim
#1129 ashersky puts Hydrad to L-1

I thought that WW is unlikely to be Hydrad's partner. ashersky also seems to not be his partner, considering how he basically decided Hydrad's fate.

[faust]

So claims:

Ichi - Psychologist
joth - PR
Jimmmmmm - PR (not BP)
faust - VT
ashersky - VT (well, or I think if he wasn't, he would have claimed by now)
silver - VT
Eevee - ?
WW - ?

[silverspawn]

so, if Eevee and WW claim VT, all PR claims are cleared, because then we have the right number of PR's - right?

[faust]

so, if Eevee and WW claim VT, all PR claims are cleared, because then we have the right number of PR's - right?

Yes.

[Witherweaver]

I am a Vanilla Townie