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Title: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 11, 2012, 11:54:20 pm
It's currently listed in the Deck Builder, but not available in the store yet.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 12, 2012, 12:01:41 am
It's currently listed in the Deck Builder, but not available in the store yet.

I noticed.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 12:03:02 am
Yeah, I just noticed and filed a problem report.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 12, 2012, 12:06:37 am
Yeah, I just noticed and filed a problem report.

I hope the problem was that Cornucopia was not available for purchase yet, and not that it was mistakenly showing up in the Deck Builder.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 12:09:42 am
Yeah, I just noticed and filed a problem report.

I hope the problem was that Cornucopia was not available for purchase yet, and not that it was mistakenly showing up in the Deck Builder.

Hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 12, 2012, 12:17:01 am
Yeah, I just noticed and filed a problem report.

I hope the problem was that Cornucopia was not available for purchase yet, and not that it was mistakenly showing up in the Deck Builder.

Hope springs eternal.

Indeed, but I also meant what you specifically mentioned in your report.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: loppo on December 12, 2012, 03:42:26 am
Trisha mentionend on getsatisfaction that Cornucopia is about to roll-out. I expected it around x-mas. If it is in the deck builder right now, it should be available even earlier. Maybe even at the end of the week.

Having played quite a bit on goko lately, dare i say it: i start preferring goko to isotropic. I know a sentence like this can get you banned on this very forum, but it just feels more like "real" dominion for me. Of corse i have a IRL dominion background, and a lot of the other guys here play iso only, so they they are used to the iso interface. Just wanted to get this out of the way.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Donald X. on December 12, 2012, 06:20:26 am
I playtested Cornucopia. The version I saw was done imo except that 1) I would put the bane on the last page rather than the last expensive card, since I know there's a bane and may forget there's an 11th card otherwise, and 2) I would have Young Witch say what the Bane is when you click on it - the bane is distinctly drawn attention to, but nothing explicitly says "this is the bane." I don't know if they will change those things before putting it out, but if they didn't it wouldn't be so bad. Obv. always seeing all 11 cards would be best if there's a good way to do that.

I never see the campaigns in advance (other than having provided card lists), so I don't know how far along that is.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 12, 2012, 08:11:23 am
Trisha told me Monday that Cornucopia is expected 'soon', so I suspect it's launching tonight if it's appeared in the card builder already.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Kuildeous on December 12, 2012, 08:36:55 am
I would have Young Witch say what the Bane is when you click on it

This is an excellent suggestion, and I hope they eventually implement it.

Since this is a computer game, there's no reason to display a variable. Actually two variables.

On Young Witch: "unless the player reveals a Cellar card." (quote not exact)

On bane card: "You may reveal this card to prevent the Young Witch from affecting you."

Put the latter text in a funny-colored box so that it's obvious that it's not normally on the card.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 12:37:15 pm
I would have Young Witch say what the Bane is when you click on it

This is an excellent suggestion, and I hope they eventually implement it.

Since this is a computer game, there's no reason to display a variable. Actually two variables.

On Young Witch: "unless the player reveals a Cellar card." (quote not exact)

On bane card: "You may reveal this card to prevent the Young Witch from affecting you."

Put the latter text in a funny-colored box so that it's obvious that it's not normally on the card.

I agree with the suggestion that the Young Witch's text give the card name explicitly, rather than say "bane card". The text of the bane itself shouldn't be changed, though. For one thing, there might not be space on the card. For another, it's not necessary. Militia doesn't say, "You may reveal a Moat to block this."
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 12, 2012, 01:17:42 pm
I would have Young Witch say what the Bane is when you click on it

This is an excellent suggestion, and I hope they eventually implement it.

Since this is a computer game, there's no reason to display a variable. Actually two variables.

On Young Witch: "unless the player reveals a Cellar card." (quote not exact)

On bane card: "You may reveal this card to prevent the Young Witch from affecting you."

Put the latter text in a funny-colored box so that it's obvious that it's not normally on the card.

I agree with the suggestion that the Young Witch's text give the card name explicitly, rather than say "bane card". The text of the bane itself shouldn't be changed, though. For one thing, there might not be space on the card. For another, it's not necessary. Militia doesn't say, "You may reveal a Moat to block this."

Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before. Space is an issue though.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 12, 2012, 01:18:56 pm
Crosses fingers for Cornucopia Today, Hinterlands Pt1 early jan, part 2 end of jan, alchemy mid feb.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 12, 2012, 01:29:34 pm
I could see the text swap being done on the YW card. based on several drawing errors I ran into lately, it looks like the text is not part of the card image, so it's probably easy enough to swap the text in.

I think it's a pretty elegant solution.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Captain_Frisk on December 12, 2012, 01:33:01 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 01:39:02 pm
Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before.

No, it doesn't. That's like saying in game with Explorer, Province should include a clause that says, "If you reveal this when you play an Explorer, gain a Gold instead of a Silver." The bane card is just the same as it ever was. It's Young Witch that specifies the interaction.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 12, 2012, 01:43:34 pm
Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before.

No, it doesn't. That's like saying in game with Explorer, Province should include a clause that says, "If you reveal this when you play an Explorer, gain a Gold instead of a Silver." The bane card is just the same as it ever was. It's Young Witch that specifies the interaction.

Thing is, Province is already there. The bane is only there because Young Witch makes it appear. I mean, it's only a minor part of the bane, but it's still the whole reason for it's presence in the game. On top of that, Province is the same every game. When Explorer's out, well, you know Province can be used for that. When Young Witch is out, well, this game it's Hamlet, next game it's Cellar, game after that it's Watchtower, then Fishing Village, then Pawn...

I do see where you're coming from. But you definitely need some clear way of distinguishing 'the bane' card, and the bane only being recorded on YW isn't really clear enough.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 12, 2012, 01:49:30 pm
Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before.

No, it doesn't. That's like saying in game with Explorer, Province should include a clause that says, "If you reveal this when you play an Explorer, gain a Gold instead of a Silver." The bane card is just the same as it ever was. It's Young Witch that specifies the interaction.

Thing is, Province is already there. The bane is only there because Young Witch makes it appear. I mean, it's only a minor part of the bane, but it's still the whole reason for it's presence in the game. On top of that, Province is the same every game. When Explorer's out, well, you know Province can be used for that. When Young Witch is out, well, this game it's Hamlet, next game it's Cellar, game after that it's Watchtower, then Fishing Village, then Pawn...

I do see where you're coming from. But you definitely need some clear way of distinguishing 'the bane' card, and the bane only being recorded on YW isn't really clear enough.

I guess I naturally assumed they were going to add something to the stack (different color, maybe have a big label 'Bane' under it... I dunno).
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: GendoIkari on December 12, 2012, 01:54:51 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.

Man I'm already annoyed that things like Ruins are on a second page. Spoils, Prizes, Mercenary, and Madman I get, because they aren't in the supply, you can't buy them, and the pile being empty doesn't matter for game-end. But anything that you can actually buy, like Ruins, should most certainly be on the same page! And to hear that when Young Witch is out; only 10 of the 11 Kingdom cards are on the first page... that's just pure awfulness; that's a design and layout that flat-out doesn't work.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 01:59:03 pm
Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before.

No, it doesn't. That's like saying in game with Explorer, Province should include a clause that says, "If you reveal this when you play an Explorer, gain a Gold instead of a Silver." The bane card is just the same as it ever was. It's Young Witch that specifies the interaction.

Thing is, Province is already there. The bane is only there because Young Witch makes it appear. I mean, it's only a minor part of the bane, but it's still the whole reason for it's presence in the game. On top of that, Province is the same every game. When Explorer's out, well, you know Province can be used for that. When Young Witch is out, well, this game it's Hamlet, next game it's Cellar, game after that it's Watchtower, then Fishing Village, then Pawn...

I do see where you're coming from. But you definitely need some clear way of distinguishing 'the bane' card, and the bane only being recorded on YW isn't really clear enough.

Oh, absolutely. The bane card should have a blue halo around it or some symbol that marks it as the bane. But text shouldn't be added to the card. That way lies rules confusion.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 12, 2012, 02:00:57 pm
Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before.

No, it doesn't. That's like saying in game with Explorer, Province should include a clause that says, "If you reveal this when you play an Explorer, gain a Gold instead of a Silver." The bane card is just the same as it ever was. It's Young Witch that specifies the interaction.

Thing is, Province is already there. The bane is only there because Young Witch makes it appear. I mean, it's only a minor part of the bane, but it's still the whole reason for it's presence in the game. On top of that, Province is the same every game. When Explorer's out, well, you know Province can be used for that. When Young Witch is out, well, this game it's Hamlet, next game it's Cellar, game after that it's Watchtower, then Fishing Village, then Pawn...

I do see where you're coming from. But you definitely need some clear way of distinguishing 'the bane' card, and the bane only being recorded on YW isn't really clear enough.

Oh, absolutely. The bane card should have a blue halo around it or some symbol that marks it as the bane. But text shouldn't be added to the card. That way lies rules confusion.

I can see that too. I'm in a very agreeable mood today I guess.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: GendoIkari on December 12, 2012, 02:01:29 pm
Young Witch is a special case though. It adds a special ability to a card that didn't have it before.

No, it doesn't. That's like saying in game with Explorer, Province should include a clause that says, "If you reveal this when you play an Explorer, gain a Gold instead of a Silver." The bane card is just the same as it ever was. It's Young Witch that specifies the interaction.

Thing is, Province is already there. The bane is only there because Young Witch makes it appear. I mean, it's only a minor part of the bane, but it's still the whole reason for it's presence in the game. On top of that, Province is the same every game. When Explorer's out, well, you know Province can be used for that. When Young Witch is out, well, this game it's Hamlet, next game it's Cellar, game after that it's Watchtower, then Fishing Village, then Pawn...

I do see where you're coming from. But you definitely need some clear way of distinguishing 'the bane' card, and the bane only being recorded on YW isn't really clear enough.

Oh, absolutely. The bane card should have a blue halo around it or some symbol that marks it as the bane. But text shouldn't be added to the card. That way lies rules confusion.

I vote for a small blue diamond next to the card name.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 12, 2012, 02:45:52 pm
Man, so, what are they going to do when potion is added? Will that also be on the other page. For players new to Dominion, this YW is beyond unintuitive. I could end up buying a Chapel and have players think I am a cheater when they see me play it turn 3/4 because it did not appear on the first page.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 12, 2012, 02:52:58 pm
I guess they will fit potion somewhere as they did with Platinum and Colony. The real problems will start when they add Black Market.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 12, 2012, 03:01:58 pm
I could see the text swap being done on the YW card. based on several drawing errors I ran into lately, it looks like the text is not part of the card image, so it's probably easy enough to swap the text in.

I think it's a pretty elegant solution.

I played a couple games yesterday, and BoM's text actually changed to match the card chosen when played, so I wouldn't be surprised if Young Witch explicitly mentioned the Bane.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 12, 2012, 03:04:21 pm
I guess they will fit potion somewhere as they did with Platinum and Colony. The real problems will start when they add Black Market.

I think Black Market and Tournament will both just pop up a screen of three/five cards to choose from.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 03:47:40 pm
I guess they will fit potion somewhere as they did with Platinum and Colony. The real problems will start when they add Black Market.

I think Black Market and Tournament will both just pop up a screen of three/five cards to choose from.

Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Kirian on December 12, 2012, 04:00:25 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.

Crazy talk!  There's absolutely no way you can fit that many cards on the screen all at once...
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Donald X. on December 12, 2012, 04:20:55 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 12, 2012, 04:23:01 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

:(
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 04:28:10 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

Ah, Goko. Always taking the easiest route. Are there buttons that let you choose whether you want to gain a Prize or a Duchy? If not, I'm guessing there's a bug where you're forced to gain a Prize when the Duchies run out and vice versa.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Captain_Frisk on December 12, 2012, 04:30:24 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.

Crazy talk!  There's absolutely no way you can fit that many cards on the screen all at once...

I know.  Its clearly impossible.

(http://i.snag.gy/rnZ5K.jpg)

This is keeping the ridiculous 1024 x 768 resolution intact. 

Just shrink the size of the cards in your hand, drop the play area down, and you've got room for 15 cards, colonies, plats, ruins
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Captain_Frisk on December 12, 2012, 04:31:09 pm
Oh - and btw the avatar of the computer player looks like the clingy girlfriend meme girl.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 12, 2012, 05:00:35 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.
Madman, Mercenary, Spoils, Ruins, bane card, 5 prizes - one more thing and they'd be in need of a 3rd screen.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 12, 2012, 05:04:55 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.
Madman, Mercenary, Spoils, Ruins, bane card, 5 prizes - one more thing and they'd be in need of a 3rd screen.

Potion
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 12, 2012, 05:10:19 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.
Madman, Mercenary, Spoils, Ruins, bane card, 5 prizes - one more thing and they'd be in need of a 3rd screen.

Potion

Yeah, I do not think I would play that board on Goko.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 12, 2012, 05:17:14 pm
I think Potion would fit together with other basic treasures and victories, there's enough place for a small card even when playing with Platinum and Colonies.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: GendoIkari on December 12, 2012, 05:23:06 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.
Madman, Mercenary, Spoils, Ruins, bane card, 5 prizes - one more thing and they'd be in need of a 3rd screen.

Maybe they'll put each type of Ruins in a separate pile. It gets 2 of their things out of the way at once; getting rules wrong and making the UI complicated!
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 12, 2012, 05:25:43 pm
I think Potion would fit together with other basic treasures and victories, there's enough place for a small card even when playing with Platinum and Colonies.
We all would think that. Except Goko. They don't think that.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 12, 2012, 05:29:07 pm
I think Potion would fit together with other basic treasures and victories, there's enough place for a small card even when playing with Platinum and Colonies.

There really isn't, without moving stuff around and having an awkward sticking out pile. I don't know what they're going to do, but I'm sure they'll find something that works.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 12, 2012, 05:57:23 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.

Crazy talk!  There's absolutely no way you can fit that many cards on the screen all at once...

I know.  Its clearly impossible.

(http://i.snag.gy/rnZ5K.jpg)

This is keeping the ridiculous 1024 x 768 resolution intact. 

Just shrink the size of the cards in your hand, drop the play area down, and you've got room for 15 cards, colonies, plats, ruins

They do have some space there to the left of the Victory cards. Why aren't they using that space. Someone should mention that to them. I'm too lazy right now.

Also, someone should send them this modified screen capture. Maybe it will inspire them.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 12, 2012, 05:59:50 pm
Open the ai info by clicking on them

Play a 4p game
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: ftl on December 12, 2012, 06:17:16 pm
Yeah, that space is for more players, they need that one
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 12, 2012, 06:28:24 pm
Idea: What if there was only space for 2 other opponents, but in 4+ player games there were cycling arrows to scroll through opponents. I mean what's more important, seeing more cards, or seeing more opponents mugs?
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Captain_Frisk on December 12, 2012, 06:29:43 pm
Idea: What if there was only space for 2 other opponents, but in 4+ player games there were cycling arrows to scroll through opponents. I mean what's more important, seeing more cards, or seeing more opponents mugs?

More avatars!
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Kirian on December 12, 2012, 09:04:52 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.

Crazy talk!  There's absolutely no way you can fit that many cards on the screen all at once...

I know.  Its clearly impossible.

I was actually thinking something more like this:

(http://www.invirtuo.cc/img/isotropic.png)

It's even smaller than yours and has plenty of space!
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: () | (_) ^/ on December 12, 2012, 09:25:56 pm
Life would be better in general if they could fit more than the 10 cards on the screen.

Crazy talk!  There's absolutely no way you can fit that many cards on the screen all at once...

I know.  Its clearly impossible.

I was actually thinking something more like this:

(http://www.invirtuo.cc/img/isotropic.png)

It's even smaller than yours and has plenty of space!

A bit small on the icons/print though.  And asymmetric, doesn't look right on the eyes.  -1 for elegance.

Also, -1 for not having the authentic card art.






(edit: nothing but love for you, Doug -- just fighting snark with snark here.)
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 12, 2012, 09:36:20 pm
Also, I don't see any ruins on there.  ;)
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Captain_Frisk on December 12, 2012, 09:57:48 pm
I love how my avatar joke comment got more respect than an actual solution to the problem
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Kirian on December 12, 2012, 11:06:32 pm
A bit small on the icons/print though.  And asymmetric, doesn't look right on the eyes.  -1 for elegance.

Also, -1 for not having the authentic card art.

:p

You know, I bet with a few hours in Illustrator I could whip up something that looks better than Goko in terms of elegance and has the real card art.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 12, 2012, 11:18:15 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

What I MEANT was if there was a pop up, like when you look at the Trash pile, or when a card is revealing from your deck.  Because the only time you care about the Prizes is when you're winning a Tournament.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 12, 2012, 11:34:31 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

What I MEANT was if there was a pop up, like when you look at the Trash pile, or when a card is revealing from your deck.  Because the only time you care about the Prizes is when you're winning a Tournament.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that's what you meant. When I first though about a good interface for the Prizes, that's what I pictured too. Then I thought about what Goko would actually do and I figured they would make a separate pile for each prize, because it's less work for them and it makes the 'name a card' interface easier. Turns out I was right.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 12, 2012, 11:52:33 pm
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

What I MEANT was if there was a pop up, like when you look at the Trash pile, or when a card is revealing from your deck.  Because the only time you care about the Prizes is when you're winning a Tournament.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that's what you meant. When I first though about a good interface for the Prizes, that's what I pictured too. Then I thought about what Goko would actually do and I figured they would make a separate pile for each prize, because it's less work for them and it makes the 'name a card' interface easier. Turns out I was right.

TO be fair it ALSO fixes the problems that knights have where once its in your deck theres no good way to view the text on the card.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 13, 2012, 11:32:43 am
Cornucopia is available this morning!
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: GendoIkari on December 13, 2012, 11:40:44 am
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

What I MEANT was if there was a pop up, like when you look at the Trash pile, or when a card is revealing from your deck.  Because the only time you care about the Prizes is when you're winning a Tournament.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that's what you meant. When I first though about a good interface for the Prizes, that's what I pictured too. Then I thought about what Goko would actually do and I figured they would make a separate pile for each prize, because it's less work for them and it makes the 'name a card' interface easier. Turns out I was right.

TO be fair it ALSO fixes the problems that knights have where once its in your deck theres no good way to view the text on the card.

Sarcasm detector is broken... is this a joke about how they might make a separate pile for each Knight as well? Because there's no good reason that you should be able to view the text on a Knight card that's already in your deck, unless it's in your hand or in play.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 13, 2012, 11:43:06 am
Yes. I could see them having separate piles for each Prize on the second screen, which would be inelegant, but make naming the Prizes much easier when playing Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. It would be optimal if those 'piles' only appeared when you played Wishing Well, Mystic, etc. but I don't see that as likely.
The Prizes are all separate piles on the 2nd screen.

What I MEANT was if there was a pop up, like when you look at the Trash pile, or when a card is revealing from your deck.  Because the only time you care about the Prizes is when you're winning a Tournament.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that's what you meant. When I first though about a good interface for the Prizes, that's what I pictured too. Then I thought about what Goko would actually do and I figured they would make a separate pile for each prize, because it's less work for them and it makes the 'name a card' interface easier. Turns out I was right.

TO be fair it ALSO fixes the problems that knights have where once its in your deck theres no good way to view the text on the card.

Sarcasm detector is broken... is this a joke about how they might make a separate pile for each Knight as well? Because there's no good reason that you should be able to view the text on a Knight card that's already in your deck, unless it's in your hand or in play.

Its not sarcasm and I sure hope they don't but currently when the knight is in your hand if you want to read it you have to drag it around to see which one it is, I haven't played enough with knights to remember that Dame Molly is +2 actions yet and so on.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 13, 2012, 11:44:15 am
The bane card is marked with a purple star on either side of it and the HIGHEST cost card goes to the second tab
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: michaeljb on December 13, 2012, 12:06:01 pm
The bane card is marked with a purple star on either side of it and the HIGHEST cost card goes to the second tab

Well this is sure to happen at least once:

"WTF? How'd you get a King's Court?? You cheater!!"
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 13, 2012, 12:07:00 pm
The bane card is marked with a purple star on either side of it and the HIGHEST cost card goes to the second tab

Well this is sure to happen at least once:

"WTF? How'd you get a King's Court?? You cheater!!"

Yeah, if they have to have a Kingdom card on the second page, it'd be nice if it were the Bane card.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: GendoIkari on December 13, 2012, 12:07:43 pm
The bane card is marked with a purple star on either side of it and the HIGHEST cost card goes to the second tab

Well this is sure to happen at least once:

"WTF? How'd you get a King's Court?? You cheater!!"

I don't get what everyone's complaining about... when I play Dominion in real life, I ALWAYS set up another table in the next room with the most expensive card and the Ruins on it. Only players who like to randomly go exploring in my house get to buy those cards.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 13, 2012, 12:19:31 pm
The bane card is marked with a purple star on either side of it and the HIGHEST cost card goes to the second tab

Well this is sure to happen at least once:

"WTF? How'd you get a King's Court?? You cheater!!"

I don't get what everyone's complaining about... when I play Dominion in real life, I ALWAYS set up another table in the next room with the most expensive card and the Ruins on it. Only players who like to randomly go exploring in my house get to buy those cards.

On a related note, do not attempt to let hot Lasagna shoot out your nose. It hurts.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 13, 2012, 01:48:42 pm
So I could not resist and played a game with the following kingdom:

Pirate Ship
Native Village
Island
Trade Route
Goons
Young Witch
Tournament
Hermit
Knights
Marauder
Urchin (bane)

Shelters, Colonies and Platinum

There were two full pages of cards (Goons went to the second, together with Prizes, Spoils, Ruins, Mercenary and Madman). The card display had 4 pages (36 different cards in the kingdom, should have added Fairgrounds but this would simplify setup).

I opened Urchin/Marauder, bot Urchin/Young Witch and proceeded to Curse me, which I tried to counter with Ruins and extra economy from Spoils. We both bought mainly various attacks. The game ended on 3 piles (Curses, Ruins, Native Villages we both wanted to play attacks) with 6-6 tie after 20 turns - log: http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20121213/log.50893139a2e67cff211cd7e5.1355423925554.txt
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Kirian on December 13, 2012, 02:28:28 pm
So I could not resist and played a game with the following kingdom:

Pirate Ship
Native Village
Island
Trade Route
Goons
Young Witch
Tournament
Hermit
Knights
Marauder
Urchin (bane)

Shelters, Colonies and Platinum

There were two full pages of cards (Goons went to the second, together with Prizes, Spoils, Ruins, Mercenary and Madman). The card display had 4 pages (36 different cards in the kingdom, should have added Fairgrounds but this would simplify setup).

I opened Urchin/Marauder, bot Urchin/Young Witch and proceeded to Curse me, which I tried to counter with Ruins and extra economy from Spoils. We both bought mainly various attacks. The game ended on 3 piles (Curses, Ruins, Native Villages we both wanted to play attacks) with 6-6 tie after 20 turns - log: http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20121213/log.50893139a2e67cff211cd7e5.1355423925554.txt

Man, I wish you'd kept a screenshot of that.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 13, 2012, 04:23:57 pm
I kept the kingdom, so it was no problem replaying the game, and this time doing it the way that screenshots show full power of those cards. I put something on all 5 mats used in the game (which was not that easy, because the bot, after initial Young Witch cursing, went for multiple Knights and trashed my Goons and Pirate Ships before I could use them.

The main screen:
http://img105.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=429285412_img1_122_449lo.jpg

Cards page 2:
http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=429270326_img2_122_342lo.jpg

40 cards in the Trash just before I buy last Estate to end the game:
http://img203.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=429258671_img3_122_118lo.jpg
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 13, 2012, 04:25:29 pm
I kept the kingdom, so it was no problem replaying the game, and this time doing it the way that screenshots show full power of those cards. I put something on all 5 mats used in the game (which was not that easy, because the bot, after initial Young Witch cursing, went for multiple Knights and trashed my Goons and Pirate Ships before I could use them.

The main screen:
http://img105.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-24987/loc449/429285412_img1_122_449lo.jpg

Cards page 2:
http://img120.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-21193/loc342/429270326_img2_122_342lo.jpg

40 cards in the Trash just before I buy last Estate to end the game:
http://img203.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=429258671_img3_122_118lo.jpg

The first 2 don't work for me.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 13, 2012, 04:31:38 pm
All 3 should work now.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Captain_Frisk on December 13, 2012, 04:40:32 pm
All 3 should work now.

False
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 13, 2012, 04:41:49 pm
Work for me.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 13, 2012, 04:45:15 pm
Are there buttons that let you choose whether you want to gain a Prize or a Duchy? If not, I'm guessing there's a bug where you're forced to gain a Prize when the Duchies run out and vice versa.

I stand corrected! There's a Gain Nothing button for when the Prizes or Duchies run out. Kudos to Goko!
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Kirian on December 13, 2012, 04:47:33 pm
The card display had 4 pages (36 different cards in the kingdom, should have added Fairgrounds but this would simplify setup).

I guess I'm not seeing what had four pages...
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: michaeljb on December 13, 2012, 04:47:48 pm
Work for me.

Me too. Also I cannot figure out any rhyme or reason to how the cards are arranged on the second page...it hurts my brain.

For those who apparently still can't see the image:
first row: Spoils, Mercenary, Diadem, Princess, Ruins
second row: Goons, Madman, Bag of Gold, Followers, Trusty Steed
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 13, 2012, 05:08:38 pm
Ruins should probably be on the left (it's a kingdom card). It's probably determined by the order of the kingdom cards - bear in mind kingdom cards are costed from bottom left to top right, going right first.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 13, 2012, 05:09:56 pm
Ruins should probably be on the left (it's a kingdom card). It's probably determined by the order of the kingdom cards - bear in mind kingdom cards are costed from bottom left to top right, going right first.

Maurader is top left and spoils are top left and top right.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 13, 2012, 05:10:16 pm
The card display had 4 pages (36 different cards in the kingdom, should have added Fairgrounds but this would simplify setup).

I guess I'm not seeing what had four pages...
There are 4 buttons above the trash. If you click the top right one you will see non-basic cards used in this game. In standard games there are 10 of them and they fit on one screen. Here 4 screens are needed (10 Knights, 9 kingdom cards and the bane, Spoils, 5 Ruins, 5 Prizes, 3 Shelters, Madman and Mercenary).
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 13, 2012, 05:22:42 pm
How did your trash double up?  I just played a Rats/Knights game where the trash did not double up, and it was impossible to tell what you were picking up with Graverobber.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 13, 2012, 05:28:25 pm
I don't know, it just did so. Haven't looked into it before there were 30 or so cards trashed.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 13, 2012, 05:38:43 pm
How did your trash double up?  I just played a Rats/Knights game where the trash did not double up, and it was impossible to tell what you were picking up with Graverobber.

When you look at the trash, it groups the cards. It doesn't yet group them for Graverobber/Rogue. It's a known issue. You should upvote it on GetSatisfaction.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 13, 2012, 05:54:12 pm
How did your trash double up?  I just played a Rats/Knights game where the trash did not double up, and it was impossible to tell what you were picking up with Graverobber.

When you look at the trash, it groups the cards. It doesn't yet group them for Graverobber/Rogue. It's a known issue. You should upvote it on GetSatisfaction.

Trying to find it on there and can't.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: LastFootnote on December 13, 2012, 06:11:16 pm
How did your trash double up?  I just played a Rats/Knights game where the trash did not double up, and it was impossible to tell what you were picking up with Graverobber.

When you look at the trash, it groups the cards. It doesn't yet group them for Graverobber/Rogue. It's a known issue. You should upvote it on GetSatisfaction.

Trying to find it on there and can't.

Search for the 'rogue' tag. I believe the topic title is something vague with 'ROGUE' in the title.

Edit: https://getsatisfaction.com/goko/topics/card_rogue_from_darf_ages
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Schneau on December 13, 2012, 08:42:37 pm
Oh - and btw the avatar of the computer player looks like the clingy girlfriend meme girl.

Wait, no one's photoshopped or memed this yet?
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 13, 2012, 09:10:31 pm
Oh - and btw the avatar of the computer player looks like the clingy girlfriend meme girl.

Wait, no one's photoshopped or memed this yet?

Pretty sure it was done months ago...
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 13, 2012, 09:23:34 pm
Here is something interesting. I have played two pro games now where YW or any other cards from Cornucopia were not present, however, there was a Bane card both times!
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 14, 2012, 02:00:18 pm
Ahhhh playing with Cornucopia reminded me just how much FUN playing with Tournament is.  Racing with the AI for the first Province/Tourney line-up was awesome.  EAT MY FOLLOWERS BIZNATCH.  Hehe.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 21, 2012, 01:00:14 am
Hinterlands Part 1 is now up.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: kn1tt3r on December 21, 2012, 05:15:31 am
Hinterlands Part 1 is now up.

Hm... I've recently purchased Super Pack 1 and 2, but now that this Hinterlands Part 1 is up, the store says I haven't purchased SP 2, and the Hinterlands cards are no available for me (though I do have the Cornucopia cards)...

Anybody else with this problem?
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 21, 2012, 05:21:27 am
Hinterlands Part 1 is now up.

Hm... I've recently purchased Super Pack 1 and 2, but now that this Hinterlands Part 1 is up, the store says I haven't purchased SP 2, and the Hinterlands cards are no available for me (though I do have the Cornucopia cards)...

Anybody else with this problem?

Yes, I just realized I have this problem as well.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 21, 2012, 05:23:46 am
It seems everyone has this problem, they said they're running a script to fix this.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 21, 2012, 10:08:19 am
Just tried getting on to look at the MEGAPACK, and it seems to be down.  Probably fixing the bug mentioned.

But it does seem that they're going to try to release expansions immediately after open-private-beta testing.  (As opposed to the open public beta, or the private employee's only beta).
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: pinkymadigan on December 21, 2012, 12:14:59 pm
Just tried getting on to look at the MEGAPACK, and it seems to be down.  Probably fixing the bug mentioned.

But it does seem that they're going to try to release expansions immediately after open-private-beta testing.  (As opposed to the open public beta, or the private employee's only beta).

I don't get the point in the private beta test if they aren't going to bother fixing the bugs, why not just release them?
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 21, 2012, 12:16:53 pm
Just tried getting on to look at the MEGAPACK, and it seems to be down.  Probably fixing the bug mentioned.

But it does seem that they're going to try to release expansions immediately after open-private-beta testing.  (As opposed to the open public beta, or the private employee's only beta).

I don't get the point in the private beta test if they aren't going to bother fixing the bugs, why not just release them?

Agreed, but what bugs didn't get fixed other than the UI ones (asking once for each fool's gold, once for each scheme trigger) I remember KC+Scheme being fixed.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 21, 2012, 12:25:21 pm
An aside is that with the release of 1/2 Hinterlands Goko now has more cards than Iso

Goko doesn't have 1/2 Hinterlands (-13), Alchemy (-13), Black Market or Stash (-2)

Isotropic doesn't have Dark ages (-35)

Goko -28
Iso -35
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 21, 2012, 12:55:57 pm
An aside is that with the release of 1/2 Hinterlands Goko now has more cards than Iso

Goko doesn't have 1/2 Hinterlands (-13), Alchemy (-13), Black Market or Stash (-2)

Isotropic doesn't have Dark ages (-35)

Goko -28
Iso -35

Are you counting Potion?  Alchemy only has 12 Kingdom cards.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Insomniac on December 21, 2012, 12:56:35 pm
An aside is that with the release of 1/2 Hinterlands Goko now has more cards than Iso

Goko doesn't have 1/2 Hinterlands (-13), Alchemy (-13), Black Market or Stash (-2)

Isotropic doesn't have Dark ages (-35)

Goko -28
Iso -35

Are you counting Potion?  Alchemy only has 12 Kingdom cards.

I am but I'm also counting each Ruin and such
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: werothegreat on December 21, 2012, 12:57:17 pm
An aside is that with the release of 1/2 Hinterlands Goko now has more cards than Iso

Goko doesn't have 1/2 Hinterlands (-13), Alchemy (-13), Black Market or Stash (-2)

Isotropic doesn't have Dark ages (-35)

Goko -28
Iso -35

Are you counting Potion?  Alchemy only has 12 Kingdom cards.

I am but I'm also counting each Ruin and such

No you're not...
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 22, 2012, 01:48:31 am
So, is anyone else surprised with how quickly Goko has been getting expansions out as of late.

Here is their timeline from when they went public beta (note: I'm not counting private beta releases here)

September 21st: Public Beta launch with Prosperity, Seaside, Intrigue, and DA part 1.

October 19th: DA part 2

November 20th: DA part 3

December 13th: Cornucopia

December 21st: Hinterlands Part 1

Hinterlands part 1 took only a week from Cornucopia, and yet it took them one month to release each DA set.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: ftl on December 22, 2012, 02:10:58 am
Maybe they're just getting better at it.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: hsiale on December 22, 2012, 04:25:01 am
DA cards are complicated. I guess it's way easier to learn bots how to use Hinterlands at least at a decent level.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: Tables on December 22, 2012, 04:58:23 am
Maybe the cards were mostly ready already.
Title: Re: Cornucopia?
Post by: WanderingWinder on December 22, 2012, 06:51:00 am
Maybe the cards were mostly ready already.
Yeah. I mean, they've been working on them *all* since before we saw *anything*. Probably guilds will be ready very near hard copy release date.