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[EFHW]

Well, there are at least three scum in

{EFHW, gkrieg, Jake, Dylan, IG, Silver}

and at least three scum in

{Ash, Awaclus, Gkrieg, Chairs, Jake, Galz, IG, Silver}

One of them has to be in both, because only two of the first set (EFHW, Dylan) are not in the second.

How do you get to this? I don't think we have enough information to be this specific.

I'm town, Haddock is town, e is town.  Haddock's first guess of red (town) was:

{EFHW, gkrieg, Jake, Dylan, IG, Silver, e, Haddock, WW}

There were six correct guesses.  Three of them are e, Haddock, me. There can only be three more, so no more than three of {EFHW, gkrieg, Jake, Dylan, IG, Silver} can be town.

Similarly for the second day,

I get your reasoning for the first day.  On the second day, you were yellow, so there would only be two known correct answers, e and Haddock. Then you could say at most 5 town/at least 3 non-town (could have survivor) are in {ash, awa, chairs, Galzria, gkrieg, iguana, jake and silver}.  Which is what you said! I'm with you now.

It's also worth mentioning that if there are 3 mistakes in the town colors, then there are 4 mistakes in the non-town colors, which is all of them (7 total mistakes). Some of those people could still be non-town (except me, of course), but of a different color. Any town in that group of 4 also knows that if there are 4 mistakes in the town colors then all the other 3 non-town are mistakes. If there are 5 mistakes in the town colors, then 2 of the non-town are mistakes. That's less helpful.

3 town mistakes/4 non-town mistakes would mean a 3 person non-town contingent, which seems unlikely.

*4 town mistakes/3 non-town mistakes would mean 5 non-town players, as would 5 town mistakes/2 non-town.*

[iguanaiguana]

Does anyone wanna actually make a case on me before I get lynch or does everyone just wanna universally agree I’m a good lynch?

Haddock is claiming to have put you as town in two guesses at everyone's alignment. There were lots (at least 3) of mistakes in his guesses, meaning that at least 3 of the people in his list who he called town are not town. Of the people on the list, you are the least towny. Gkrieg has at least done a little bit of IMO towny game solving. Chairs made that (IMO towny) claim that he was asking Faust about the 1-shot vigilante item before the game started and was told he couldn't use it (as town). I'm town on that list as well. If Haddock isn't lying, he's town.

From my perspective that PoEs you really hard. And you've done nothing to show me you are town this game.

So you haven't done anything that screams scum, but other player's night results PoE you and I believe that the night results are not lies more than I believe you are town based on nothing.

Honestly I'd still rather lynch Datswan but no one will join that.

[Witherweaver]

I am not against lynching DatSwan.

It is also worth noting that Gkrieg has been more involved than Jake, but that doesn't really make Gkrieg more likely town, given their metas.

It is interesting how quickly the Jake wagon grew from only PoE (also, it was PoE from only my perspective). Makes it feel more like a mislynch. If Jake does end up scum, I suspect people that jumped on the wagon early to be his partners.

[Witherweaver]

I also plan to reread before the day ends.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm going back to Vote: Datswan

[iguanaiguana]

I am not against lynching DatSwan.

It is also worth noting that Gkrieg has been more involved than Jake, but that doesn't really make Gkrieg more likely town, given their metas.

It is interesting how quickly the Jake wagon grew from only PoE (also, it was PoE from only my perspective). Makes it feel more like a mislynch. If Jake does end up scum, I suspect people that jumped on the wagon early to be his partners.

It's PoE from my perspective as well.

[Witherweaver]

It is for a lot of people, I think, but no one really displayed that they were going through that thought process. So it overall makes me feel a bit suspicious of Jake's lynch.

[Galzria]

It is a VERY bad idea to lynch me.

Are you willing to say why?

It would ruin my role.

This is either a survivor claim, which would have you be one of the non-town people in that analysis, or it is meaningless without more information.

It’s not a survivor claim.

I won’t claim. Period.

Has less to do with PoE, more to do with this. Nobody, town or scum, should be able to successfully argue "You shouldn't lynch me because lynching me would be bad". That's not an argument.

[Haddock]

Does anyone wanna actually make a case on me before I get lynch or does everyone just wanna universally agree I’m a good lynch?

Do you want to make a case why you're town or do you just want to get lynched?

I am asking others first then I’ll respond with why I’m town.

You shouldn't need to hear from others first to figure out why you're town.

A wise person said: "Town, or town not.  There is no why."

But yeah, this is a whole load of not-very-much from Jake, here.  Which in fairness, knowing Jake, doesn't mean much.  But the PoE is doing so much work against him here.

It is for a lot of people, I think, but no one really displayed that they were going through that thought process. So it overall makes me feel a bit suspicious of Jake's lynch.

Slightly indignant here - I definitely showed the process.  But yeah I'm a bit paranoid that it grew too easily.


Not actually against a DatSwan lynch, still think he's been scummy - but my results don't really point that way (he's not in either of the "3-scum-in" pools), whereas they really do point at gkrieg and Jake.  It will be difficult for me to vote outside of {gkrieg, Jake} today.   

Or chairs, actually, looking back at my analysis.  I'd be OK with that, though he hasn't looked particularly scummy this game.

[Witherweaver]

Well I was not including you in that statement.

[EFHW]

It is for a lot of people, I think, but no one really displayed that they were going through that thought process. So it overall makes me feel a bit suspicious of Jake's lynch.

I think a lot of us had the same reaction - we saw that three of six people had to be scum, and after ruling out those who we know or think are town, Jake had nothing towny to show. And he's been lurking, perhaps uncertain how he wants to present. That was my process, anyway.

[EFHW]

I'm interested to hear the case against DatSwan.

Galz - How is it that you know the 3 literjons of water are in the game but you aren't able to drink them?

[EFHW]

3 town mistakes/4 non-town mistakes would mean a 3 person non-town contingent, which seems unlikely.

*4 town mistakes/3 non-town mistakes would mean 5 non-town players, as would 5 town mistakes/2 non-town.*

This part ain't necessarily so since there could be non-town mistakes that should be a different non-town color. So just approximately true.

[Galzria]

I'm interested to hear the case against DatSwan.

Galz - How is it that you know the 3 literjons of water are in the game but you aren't able to drink them?

That's a very handsome question.

[EFHW]

I'm interested to hear the case against DatSwan.

Galz - How is it that you know the 3 literjons of water are in the game but you aren't able to drink them?

That's a very handsome question.

?? Handsome?

[Galzria]

I'm interested to hear the case against DatSwan.

Galz - How is it that you know the 3 literjons of water are in the game but you aren't able to drink them?

That's a very handsome question.

?? Handsome?

Good, Good looking, handsome, etc

[Dylan32]

I'm interested to hear the case against DatSwan.

Galz - How is it that you know the 3 literjons of water are in the game but you aren't able to drink them?

That's a very handsome question.

?? Handsome?

I believe if you converted that sentence to political speech, it would be roughly equal to: "Thank you for that question. It is a very important question that deserves an answer. In fact we must answer that question. Next question..."

[chairs]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

[Galzria]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

[chairs]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

My {reasons} place him at a 5. I can't expand further, sadly.

[Swowl]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

Your reasons are bias. You have to remember i thought you were skum.

[Witherweaver]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

Your reasons are bias. You have to remember i thought you were skum.

That's kind of presumptuous.

[Galzria]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

Your reasons are bias. You have to remember i thought you were skum.

That's kind of presumptuous.

Also, there's nothing logical to his statement. His read on me does not reflect my reasons on him in any way.

[Galzria]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

Your reasons are bias. You have to remember i thought you were skum.

Are you the reason I'm going to die tonight?

[Swowl]

FWIW I have Night reasons to lean against a DatSwan lynch at the moment.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is neutral, 10 is confirmed town and 1 is confirmed scum, where does your result place him?

My {reasons} would place him at s 3.

Your reasons are bias. You have to remember i thought you were skum.

That's kind of presumptuous.

Also, there's nothing logical to his statement. His read on me does not reflect my reasons on him in any way.

You don’t know that. In fact your next question contradicts it