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[jotheonah]

You're Tables. You take notes. Check them.

[yuma]

Perhaps this has already been covered, but if not here is something I was wondering about... (correct anything that might be incorrect as I am doing this more from memory than from going back and checking posts, I'll do that later if need be, but I am about to sleep and want to get this down)

Galz is apparently cult. Cults typically win by having 1/2 the town cult right? So does that include dead townspeople?

My main question is this.... If Galz's goal was to get 1/2 the town cult why was he ok with Robz being lynched? Wouldn't that lose him one cult member?

[Tables]

You're Tables. You take notes. Check them.

I haven't been taking notes this game. I really should have, but I didn't, thinking this game would be less serious. When I realised it wasn't, it was too late.

Also I did remember one thing. Someone (I can't remember who, might have been Cayvie?) asked if, as I have an Ironworks related clause in a second role PM, what if killing me releases the cultists? I think it's not a bad idea, but I doubt it'd work, and if it failed, town would be on the verge of losing to the next recruit. If I'm supposed to get some benefit from IW targeting me, and there's still someone leading IW, it doesn't really make sense for me being killed to be the trigger for their release.

[Insomniac]

You're Tables. You take notes. Check them.

I haven't been taking notes this game. I really should have, but I didn't, thinking this game would be less serious. When I realised it wasn't, it was too late.

Also I did remember one thing. Someone (I can't remember who, might have been Cayvie?) asked if, as I have an Ironworks related clause in a second role PM, what if killing me releases the cultists? I think it's not a bad idea, but I doubt it'd work, and if it failed, town would be on the verge of losing to the next recruit. If I'm supposed to get some benefit from IW targeting me, and there's still someone leading IW, it doesn't really make sense for me being killed to be the trigger for their release.

It doesn't tell you what your special thing is just "if your targeted by ironworks something special might happen"?

[jotheonah]

Ok, discussion has slowed to a halt. The cult has reason to believe we will be returned to the deck in due time without expending too much energy. 

Since none of us is currently scum-aligned, it makes sense to target a likely curser outside the cult.

timchen, as a known repeated liar, is an excellent policy lynch and also probably scum. Lynching timchen will end the day, giving us another exciting role madness night phase in which hopefully things will happen that will make the next course of action obvious.

Let's all just do it.

[jotheonah]

Wait a minute, let's vote for tables instead.

He didn't take notes.

COuld that be because he's not scumhunting, because he's scum?

It sure could.

[Robz888]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

[jotheonah]

I could also support the Eevee lynch, actually, though Robz I don't love your reasons.

[Eevee]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

That vote kind of got forgotten there, but the reasoning was.. what if your cult could still win, maybe you continue as the new leader after Galz died or something. But no one else seems concerned about it.

If you didnt know that, then you have not been reading. Which is super alarming, especially considering you are voting for people still.

[Robz888]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

That vote kind of got forgotten there, but the reasoning was.. what if your cult could still win, maybe you continue as the new leader after Galz died or something. But no one else seems concerned about it.

If you didnt know that, then you have not been reading. Which is super alarming, especially considering you are voting for people still.

Well as for the cult stuff, that's clearly not the case, and you didn't unvote me, or anything. So perhaps you have not been reading, and yet are still voting for people.

[Eevee]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

That vote kind of got forgotten there, but the reasoning was.. what if your cult could still win, maybe you continue as the new leader after Galz died or something. But no one else seems concerned about it.

If you didnt know that, then you have not been reading. Which is super alarming, especially considering you are voting for people still.

Well as for the cult stuff, that's clearly not the case, and you didn't unvote me, or anything. So perhaps you have not been reading, and yet are still voting for people.

Dont know how its all that clear ("because I said so" doesnt count), and I dont think it mattered all that much given you were like L-million.

[jotheonah]

yeah, this kind of fighting doesn't make either of you look great.

[Robz888]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

That vote kind of got forgotten there, but the reasoning was.. what if your cult could still win, maybe you continue as the new leader after Galz died or something. But no one else seems concerned about it.

If you didnt know that, then you have not been reading. Which is super alarming, especially considering you are voting for people still.

Well as for the cult stuff, that's clearly not the case, and you didn't unvote me, or anything. So perhaps you have not been reading, and yet are still voting for people.

Dont know how its all that clear ("because I said so" doesnt count), and I dont think it mattered all that much given you were like L-million.

Then why does it matter so much if I vote for you right now?

[Eevee]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

That vote kind of got forgotten there, but the reasoning was.. what if your cult could still win, maybe you continue as the new leader after Galz died or something. But no one else seems concerned about it.

If you didnt know that, then you have not been reading. Which is super alarming, especially considering you are voting for people still.

Well as for the cult stuff, that's clearly not the case, and you didn't unvote me, or anything. So perhaps you have not been reading, and yet are still voting for people.

Dont know how its all that clear ("because I said so" doesnt count), and I dont think it mattered all that much given you were like L-million.

Then why does it matter so much if I vote for you right now?

If my reason for not unvoting was "I didnt think it mattered enough to post", clearly you cant use the same reason for voting.  Unvote though, I guess you are not the best lynch today anyways.

[Tables]

I don't know what would happen if Ironworks recruited me. All I know is it would be good for me if it did. I tried to shoehorn the word Ironworks in once or twice on day one, to try and get that player's (Galz, or whoever the IW is now) attention but mostly I forgot about it, I was mostly more concerned with the main part of my role.

I'm not concerned about Robz being cult, but, I just kinda doubt that he's the other leader. In this case it kinda has to come down to the other Ironwork's judgement, I think, but eh. I also don't think town are going to lose once cult hits 50%, because as I said, this isn't a normal cult (and normal cults are broken anyway). I reckon they probably needed 75% or so, and eHalc hadn't imagined the recruits fighting back so vehmently. I doubt Galz did either, even though it does seem the sensible thing to do.

Hey... what if... considering people can win multiple times and whatnot, what if the way cultists get released is after the cult wins? At that point maybe the leader leaves the game, having won, and everyone else continues on their way? I guess we can't rely on either of these being the case, but if either was, the cult would be a smaller issue...

I've looked over the player list, and I think my biggest scumread early was Imsomniac, for being so aggressive towards Grujah, and generally not doing anything since then that I recall as being town sided. I'm not going to throw a vote out right away, because I don't fancy giving him -2 VPs immediately, but... well, I might have to do some rereading of his posts at some point.

Oh and the reason I didn't take notes is, well, I didn't expect this to be a serious game. It's still not AS serious a game, with a heck of a lot more emphasis on roles (which I have very little control over and little ability to record). On top of that, I only joined the game because eHalc asked me to as a sub, so I wasn't intending to pour my all into the game. As scum, I would be a lot more inclined to take notes than as town. As town, you can easily find someone to FoS because you find them suspicious, and it's genuine. As scum, you need some kind of evidence to back yourself up, otherwise you can't make a case stick, and you need some way to record things you've seen and paint them in a bad light. Ergo, a record of what's been said is even more important. So... that's two reasons and an... argument(?) as to why I haven't taken notes.

[Robz888]

I'm going to vote for Eevee, because he is voting for me, and I don't know why.

Vote: Eevee

That vote kind of got forgotten there, but the reasoning was.. what if your cult could still win, maybe you continue as the new leader after Galz died or something. But no one else seems concerned about it.

If you didnt know that, then you have not been reading. Which is super alarming, especially considering you are voting for people still.

Well as for the cult stuff, that's clearly not the case, and you didn't unvote me, or anything. So perhaps you have not been reading, and yet are still voting for people.

Dont know how its all that clear ("because I said so" doesnt count), and I dont think it mattered all that much given you were like L-million.

Then why does it matter so much if I vote for you right now?

If my reason for not unvoting was "I didnt think it mattered enough to post", clearly you cant use the same reason for voting.  Unvote though, I guess you are not the best lynch today anyways.

Then we shall be friends. Unvote

[Eevee]

So you only voted me to get me unvote you? Isnt that.. ugh.. like.. not very town-like behaviour? Or did I do something to convince you during our chat?

[Robz888]

So you only voted me to get me unvote you? Isnt that.. ugh.. like.. not very town-like behaviour? Or did I do something to convince you during our chat?

I voted for you because you had a lone, ugly, baseless vote on me. Now you don't. So I unvoted.

[jotheonah]

So... that's two reasons and an... argument(?) as to why I haven't taken notes.

You're right. That IS an awful lot of response to a single, half-serious accusation. 

[cayvie]

is there a reason timchen is still alive?

[jotheonah]

his scumbuddies won't vote for him?

[cayvie]

cmon jo get your daychat church group together and help lynch this guy

[timchen]

Because I am deck and in your hearts you all know it.

[cayvie]

Because I am deck and in your hearts you all know it.

lol

if you were deck, the scum would be all over this lynch

[Eevee]

his scumbuddies won't vote for him?

Isnt someone being hard to lynch in all seriousness sort of an indicator of scumminess? Scum should be harder to lynch unless they bus each other like madmen?