well, here goes. this is Robz's most noteworthy posts in chronological order.
D1DOUBLE smileys? Vote: Galzria.
his first post he votes scum. Doesn't mean anything most likely. I hear robz doesn't normally RVS though...
Eevee's response is what I expected, and of course it could simply be the case that he used his typical "I'm town" format. Still, I'm highly suspicious him. It's incredulous to believe that he doesn't actually read his PMs carefully or remember his flavor name.
Suspicious of eevee early, like jimmmmm, but for a different reason.
15 players should be 4 scum, right? 2 + 2 or 3 +1. 2 + 3 would be yuck, but I guess it's possible, depending on roles.
Galz, yes I find Eevee scummy for like three reasons I gave. The Dsell thing, and aspects of his response, including something he said that I do judge to be false, that theorel also picked up on: him not knowing his role PM and the setup or whatever. It doesn't fit Eevee; I'm pretty sure he's lying about this to inflate his case for why he didn't say station. He could be lying to inflate his case for why he didn't say station from a position of town or scum, but obviously it seems a bit scummy to me.
I didn't really get his case on you, although I think you're being fairly dense here.
2+3 is yuck. So if robz is scum he probably thought there was a SK. More galz-robz interactions. says he doesn't get the eevee case on galz.
From jimmmmm's post. It seems like he has an important role that will save him from bieng lynched, or at least is planning on claiming to have an important role that will save him from bieng lynched.
I don't know if this counts as "outing" Jimm, but I think he phrased it in a way that makes it obvious to anyone paying attention, and un-obvious to new people like liopil. Scum almost certainly will figure it out if they haven't already. I believe Jimm is saying that he is Hated, which simply means it takes 1 less vote to kill him. In other words, he dies at L-1. Given that Joth mention there may be negative utility roles, this makes sense.
It means that all things being equal, scum are actually less likely to kill him in the night.
thinks Jimmmmm is hated, which is wrong. I thought it too based on this. He probably genuinely thought this though, and might be a reason that a scum!robz wouldn't kill Jimmmmm. otherwise scum might kill Jimmmmm because they thought he had a PR.
@Mcmc: There's no need to panic over like one vote. We vote and unvote like crazy. Sometimes multiple people get bajillions of votes. It's fine for Eevee to get a bunch of votes. If people vote for him and end this day too soon, we will accuse them of being scum and kill those people tomorrow.
Disclaimer for anyone who doesn't know: Mcmc is my IRL brother.
@Post count: My vote for Galzria was fake. I was surprised he hadn't responded to my accusation that he was being dense, but maybe he isn't around, and anyway I don't yet find him scummier than anyone else.
Vote: Eevee, my top scumread for now.
more interactions with mcmc and galzria. not sure what he means about "fake" vote on galzria. Says he doesn't have more of a scumread on him than anyone else, which sounds like disasociation. dunno what to make of what he said to mcmc.
Just checked the roster... invisyuma strikes again, as the saying goes.
I don't expect to hear from Glooble until like Day 4, probably.
Has sparky posted?
calls out two maquis for lurking. If MU it makes sense because his partners and him aren't lurking, so LALL works for him. doesn't make sense as maquis.
Time to pass out.
But maybe one drink more?
Oooh, choices....
Wait, wait... are you scum??
They actually talk to each other a LOT d1. I haven't included most of the times here.
Here is my case against Eevee.
What do you want me to say? I'm station-aligned. Kind of meh Dsell became almost obvtown because of something like this, but could be worse - I could have had time to answer and clear myself before Joth stepped in (well handled btw). Me claiming town was obviously just the running joke from blitz, also I didn't even remember what the exact wording was, not like I read my pm's that carefully. I still don't know what's my flavor name for example (because I've never seen any star trek so the name wouldn't mean anything to me).
I believe the bolded part is a lie, or at least an extreme exaggeration.
Although I must say, so many people are expressing opposition to the Eevee case and that can't all be scum, I am sort of ready to stop talking about it and look critically and someone else. I don't think it's rock-solid by any means. The "contradiction" thing is not much, no.
Doesn't want to talk about eevee anymore, like Jimmmmm. I guess they realized the lynch wasn't going to happen. could be interpreted as scummy.
Alright, just reread over everything, and I'm gonna put my Vote: Cuzz out there for now. He has posted almost exclusively about the setup and offered no actual reads. More than that though, his early vote on Eevee for "buddying" may have only been RVS - but given the controversy surrounding Eevee since, I would've expected either an unvote, or a statement of support for his vote that (at least to me) read like a joke when made. And it isn't like he hasn't been active (well, he's got 8 posts in total, but 2 are RVS, and the other 6 are all just stating what's in the setup).
I just feel that Cuzz, more than anybody else, has been trying to score easy "town" points by talking about the setup without actually talking about the game.
I think that's fair to say of Cuzz, and maybe worth a vote. But there are three people who have barely talked at all. And things are happening!
Agrees with galzria. It seems like more than half of his posts have some relation to galz...
I'm using a somewhat new approach to this game, which I am calling the Straightforward Strategy, or SFS (see what I did there?). My approach to this game, rather than going so strongly off of metas, is to look at two things: 1) Real evidence, and 2) What people are saying.
1) Real evidence -- Something like, Dsell's station-aligned thing with Eevee. I actually think Dsell gets more than a pinch of town cred here. I agree with Jimm that other than that, Dsell would actually seem pretty scummy for underposting, but this evidence is really, really acquitting, I think.
2) What people are saying -- if someone says something that is logical, that makes sense, that I think hits upon valid points and is relevant, I am going to think of that person as less scummy. This is a little bit of a change of pace for me. Usually, when someone says something anti-rational, irrelevant, and over the top, I think of them as less scummy, because scum need to be more careful. But this approach has not worked lately.
--talks about other stuff--
Galzria is registering a lot less than usual in this game, to me, and I do find that weird. And it irks me that his main goal so far seems to be to kill the wagon on Eevee, which I thought was certainly a valid wagon on the scummiest person. Perhaps Eevee would have been/will be a mislynch, but it reeks of scum trying to build towncred by killing wagon on townie. Of course I guess with the multiple scumteams thing, there's like an extra wrinkle in there. Still, since I think the Eevee case was solid-ish, I don't love that Galz worked to kill it.
I'm going to Vote: Cuzz, though, because he's now the person to whom I can't attribute anything. It's really hard to beat Glooble in that regard, and Cuzz is doing it. So.
the first bit about a new playstyle rings towny. second part sounds like he's trying to disassociate himself from galz after all that interaction before. he then proceeds to vote cuzz, which is sheeping galzria. Galz started that wagon.
If robz were maquis, would he want to kill galz N1?
Robz: Throughout the whole eevee thing robz took the lets wait for him to post and see if we can catch him approach. This is the exact thing he did in ZMIX , as an IC he offered very little of his own thoughts because he thought that would make it easy for scum to buddy. The plan obviously didn't work as is allowed mafia to run the discussion. So overall I think this is an anti ton strategy but that could come from robz being a sub par town player(said by him). His analysis on the cops seemed towny. Next comes more asking for other peoples analysis, and asking lurkers to post, neither town or scum read off this as it helps either one. Long time goes by and he mentions the fact that jimm and eevee could both be scum which is a definite possibility although i'm inclined to thing eevee is town.
Have to go to dinner now will finish up thoughts on robz sometime soonish? and probably wont get to the next person for awhile.
No no no. This is not the same thing. I waited for Eevee to respond--and warned others to do the same--because I didn't want anybody explaining what they thought Eevee meant. BEcause then Eevee could just copy that. After Eevee gave his statement, I enthusiastically gave my view of it, and asked others to do the same. So I think you're mixed up here in reading this as an anti-town thing to do.
I can't tell what mcmc think of robz in that post. is he saying robz is just playing town badly? Robz corrects him. I think mcmc's post, in light of him flipping scum, makes robz look bad.
Robz888: Also on the Eevee wagon. I think he's being a bit over-accusatory. Has been on the lurker's case a bit too much, as have others. At this point the lurkers have had good excuses. Talked about the setup a bunch too. Stuff with the number of mafia is interesting. I'm not as sure about 4 as he is. what about 4 with SK? or even 3-2? He would know more about this if he was scum. Alo would be more likely to talk about it.
oh hey, I had a scumread on robz888 way back then! I think I was the only one. I now disagree with most of the points I made there, except the one about talking about the setup.
Where is Eevee's scum-read on Galz? I missed that, or I don't remember it. Eevee, do you have a scum-read on Galz?
very interested in the scum-read on galz. He didn't miss it though, he mentioned it earlier. This is actually quite scummy.
Where is Eevee's scum-read on Galz? I missed that, or I don't remember it. Eevee, do you have a scum-read on Galz?
Well, like 5% higher scumscore than average. Certainly not seeming towny to me.
For me, my suspicion on Galz comes from two thing: 1) He's under-posting, 2) He threw water on the case I made against you.
But he's under-posting everywhere, and I think is just behind. On the other thing, I probably have to just shed my bias in favor of the case, perhaps, much as his reaction to it grated me.
So I guess I don't have much of a scumread on him, either. And I did follow him in voting Cuzz, actually.
again sort of says he's suspicious and then takes it back. mentioning the cuzz thing is towny though.
Oh, also Jimm now looks like he's trying to divert to Mcmc, who is not registering scum to me at all this game. He's my brother, and he did fool me in his first game, Blitz... but he is way more active here than he was there, and I know he has MORE IRL commitments right now, not less. I think that definitely gives him towncred. Also, the things he's said, they aren't like the most comprehensive opinions ever, but they do have meat. So again, points against Jimm.
townread on MU
Right now here's an update on where I'm at:
Town: Robz, Dsell
Strongly leaning town: Theorel
Slight leaning town: Mcmc, ashersky, TheMunch
Neutral: liopoil, yuma, shraeye
Slightly leaning scum: Cuzz, Galzria, Glooble, raerae
Strongly leaning scum: Jimm, Eevee
Puts galz at leaning scum. Every time Robz has made a point against galz he immediately negates it with a counterpoint. By doing this he can have a slight scumread on him to disassociate himself, but still not get him lynched. sounds like good scum strategy. mcmc is at slight town. interestingly the maquis are also split just on the two sides of neutral.
this post is getting really long so I'm going to cut it here for now. Anyway I think his interactions with mcmc/galz fit with him being MU, but not his interactions with glooble/munch for him being maquis. That's just so far though. The rest of the things he's said to other people really only read slightly scummy to me. this is just part of D1 though, so I wouldn't expect much else.
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