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[Jimmmmm]

Okay I guess yuma is the way we're leaning. Not my first choice, but up there and I can see that it's unlikely he was Roleblocked or Jailkept. lio, what do you think?

[Jimmmmm]

What do we think of Robz' apparent confusion after the night's events?

Yuma, why no LR?

Jim, why no doctoring of our confirmed townie cop?

But ash wasn't so much the important cop here; the important cop was theorel. And I'm not sure why he died. The one thing we certainly had the ability to do was keep theorel alive. Ahem, LR and doctor.

[Robz888]

What is there to think about it? We presumably had two methods of preventing theorel from dying last night, and I expected at least the LR to go off. I was not (and am still not) very keen on the idea of their being a second roleblocker somewhere, so the night result made little sense.

[yuma]

well I will join our IC in voting vote: Robz

[Jimmmmm]

Unofficial vote count (IIRC off the top of my head).

yuma (3): Robz, mcmc, ash (L-1)
Robz (2): liopoil, yuma
mcmc (1): Jimmmmm

Takes 4 to lynch,

We need liopoil to weigh in. If he's happy with a Robz lynch, I'll join him on that, otherwise one of us can hammer yuma.

[liopoil]

well, I think I'm still on no lynch. Vote: mcmc. I might have been on robz before, not sure.

between mcmc and robz I really am not sure which I'd rather lynch. Leaning mcmc because his claim is more likely to be fake. I would happily lynch robz too.

[liopoil]

If Yuma is town, someone lied about their role.

In that case, Yuma, ash, and I definatly didn't.

Jimmmmm I believe because he hinted at it wayyyy back at the beginning of the game, and I don't see him making up the doc thing. plus he's conf. not MU which makes him unlikely to be scum.

that leaves mcmc and robz, both of which I think very easily could have lied, and I think are scum.

robz probably only would have lied if he was MU with mcmc. This seems likely to me though, because:

there was only one kill tonight
they are my top two scumreads
robz is more likely to claim if mcmc is his partner.

mcmc could have lied on either team. His claim we decided was probably a bad idea for town. However, it is a great idea for scum. It makes it so that he won't be killed by the other team for sure. this is why I am voting mcmc right now. He also totally sheeped the case on me, though I am not one to be talking about sheeping.

[Robz888]

Come on. Yuma is totally lying. It makes no sense for their to be another roleblocker (jailkeeper or anything else). And if there was, it doesn't make much sense for him to roleblock Yuma! He would have to have the ability to both roleblock yuma AND shoot the cop that investigates him. Okay, let's assume that's even logistically possible. Well, what if Jimm doctors that cop?

No, it makes so sense. If scum would just let yuma LR, yuma might or might not die, and they are guaranteed to not have an investigation of them. Then they can just roleblock/kill whatever the cop they have to worry about on a future night.

Roleblocking yuma would be taking an unnecessary risk of a cop investigating scum and surviving.

Really, I think the most logical thing is that yuma lied. No one has put forward an alternative non-fringe theory.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm's don't lynch me thing from D1 rings true for the beloved role.  Good catch.

I think robz is townier than mcmc.

I still think Yuma lied, but, a JK mcmc could have stopped it.

[liopoil]

let's see, from maquis roleblocker who can't block and kill mcmc's point of view:

by blocking Yuma there will still be a NK, but instead of it being Yuma it will be probably theorel. There will also be a good chance that we will lynch Yuma tomorrow as a result of it.

seems like a good reason to block Yuma to me. The same reasoning would apply from robz's point of view.

even if Yuma is scum I still think that one of (mcmc-robz) is scum. If we assume that at least one of them is scum no matter what then we can also say that there is a very good chance that the scum one lied, meaning we still have a misc. role out there. if Yuma is town I think they are both scum. so from my point of view, by lynching one of them:

if Yuma is town we hit scum no matter what.
if Yuma is scum we ~50-50 hit scum.

If we lynch Yuma the chance that we hit scum is equal to the chance that Yuma is scum (duh)

So we should only lynch Yuma if we think there is a greater than 66% chance that he is scum (a little more even because we have a more than 50-50 chance of hitting scum in robz-mcmc even if Yuma is scum)

[ashersky]

MU want Theo dead.  Block or jail Yuma and kill Theo or rely on other team to kill Theo.

Thing is, maquis should have targeted me.  That's an argument for an underpowered two-man maquis team.

Why would maquis save Yuma? 

[liopoil]

maybe they don't want us to think they exist. If ash died we would know that there was maquis. Probably not though...

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, maybe yuma lied. It's possible. But someone answer me this: why would scum yuma claim LR and offer to do it, knowing full well he won't and will be "caught out" for it. I know I know, WIFOM, he wants us to make this argument, whatever,  but it's so risky, especially if he's the last scum on his team, which seems to be the case for any remaining scum.

[yuma]

I don't know why Robz and others are so quick to discount the idea that scum could kill and use a night action at the same time...

from the mafia wiki:

A Mafia Roleblocker may or may not be allowed to perform the mafia kill the same Night they are also performing a roleblock. (This applies to other Mafia roles as well.) The decision of whether to allow the last Mafioso to kill and use their role at the same time is usually based on what would make the game better-balanced. In Newbie games, the Mafia Roleblocker is allowed to perform both only if they are the last member of their team left.

joth never answered my question... well he did by not answering and rightly so as this is isn't an open setup, but still to completely discount the idea seems too farfetched for me and I don't understand why people think it is.

[yuma]

well, I think I'm still on no lynch. Vote: mcmc. I might have been on robz before, not sure.

between mcmc and robz I really am not sure which I'd rather lynch. Leaning mcmc because his claim is more likely to be fake. I would happily lynch robz too.

I would in fact prefer mcmc over robz, so i am glad you feel this way as well. vote: mcmc

[ashersky]

I don't know why Robz and others are so quick to discount the idea that scum could kill and use a night action at the same time...

from the mafia wiki:

A Mafia Roleblocker may or may not be allowed to perform the mafia kill the same Night they are also performing a roleblock. (This applies to other Mafia roles as well.) The decision of whether to allow the last Mafioso to kill and use their role at the same time is usually based on what would make the game better-balanced. In Newbie games, the Mafia Roleblocker is allowed to perform both only if they are the last member of their team left.

joth never answered my question... well he did by not answering and rightly so as this is isn't an open setup, but still to completely discount the idea seems too farfetched for me and I don't understand why people think it is.

I don't discount it.  Mcmcsalot or Robz would be the Roleblocker/JK.

[ashersky]

If Yuma is scum LR, he wouldn't use it until he knew there were no other kills around, right?

[Jimmmmm]

From Maquis point of view, would it be worth it to forgo making a kill in order to JK yuma and implicate him and make him seem to be lying? That could seem to almost guarantee a mislynch (or at least a non-Maquis lynch). Of course, it increases the risk that ash could find them out. But not so much as it might seem, since you could pretty much guarantee that ash was going to investigate either lio or me to at worst give one of us IC status.

[ashersky]

So mcmcsalot and Yuma both at L-1.  Any scum looking to quickhammer?

[liopoil]

that's mcmc and yuma both at L-1, everyone voting. Just like in my other game!

who is potentially going to switch over? not Yuma or mcmc. probably not robz. I see the case on Yuma and appreciate it, I'm just more confident in mcmc.  So very unlikely me, although maybe if we wouldn't otherwise get a lynch. Ash?

[ashersky]

Yuma lying about LR is tough to swallow, but is also most likely.

At this point, I think we have two scum in {Yuma, mcmcsalot, Robz} and I think Robz has been towniest.  Mcmcsalot is scummiest based on game play.  Yuma seems caught in a lie.

I could switch, I guess.

[liopoil]

Well there are only two MU left they could potentially quickhammer and win. so we know that there is no robz-ash MU team. this is actually pretty much the only new info from this I believe. Jimmmmm is already conf. not MU.

[liopoil]

mcmc: Yuma, Jimmmmm, Liopoil
Yuma: ash, robz, mcmc

Yuma's only potential partner is mcmc, in which case it doesn't matter which we kill.

[mcmcsalot]

So I am supposedly a scum one-shot Jailkeeper because theres no way I am on a scum team with galz and we are rolecop/jailkeeper vs neighbor one shot roleblocker. So I am a one shot jail keeper and I saved it this whole time, and finally used it to prevent a lr which guarantees me safety from investigations and possible night kills. In fact by stopping the Lr I gave town another IC... I thought liopoil was scum, why would I risk a nk from the other team and letting the other cop clear the person I wanted to lynch just to get theorel killed. Please look at this, the chance that yuma is lying and reasons for it far outwiegh the reason I would jailkeep him.

[yuma]

So I am supposedly a scum one-shot Jailkeeper because theres no way I am on a scum team with galz and we are rolecop/jailkeeper vs neighbor one shot roleblocker.

why is it that there is no way you are on a scum team with galz?