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[liopoil]

I'd like the other cop to claim now, and then I will claim.

[theorel]

I'd like the other cop to claim.

I think we might want people that aren't the cop to claim "not-cop" (assuming they think the cop should claim).  At this point, I'm just wondering if the cop is yuma, Jimmmmm, DSell, or ash waiting for further confirmation, or if it's scum and they're not going to claim since they don't want to clear any townies.

[Robz888]

I have a bunch of thoughts about stuff, but it's probably best to hold them back until we get that other cop claim. Please claim, pal.

[liopoil]

I am not the cop. If everyone posts and the cop has not claimed we should assume that the cop is scum. There is no reason for a town cop not to claim.

[mcmcsalot]

This is most likely unnecessary but obviously I am not the cop, I already claimed.

[Robz888]

Yeah, the cop is yuma, Jimm, Dsell, or ash.

[liopoil]

ash, Yuma, dsell, and jimmm are the only four left. Theorel, mcmc, and robz have already claimed, and I am going to claim very soon. I suppose mcmc or robz could be a scum cop who lied, but that seems very unlikely.

PPE: robz beat me to it.

[ashersky]

Theorel is confirmed town.  I investigated him, so I know he isn't the scum I look for, and he's the other cop, so he can't be the scum he looks for.

Unless he's fake claiming, which is so very highly unlikely (scum can't afford a countered fake claim because 1 for 1 trade is way better for town).

Theo should lead the rest of the claiming, since you cannot be sure I am station.  I am station, though.

Do you need my other targets?

[liopoil]

Theorel can't be fakeclaiming. if there is someone who isn't ashersky or theorel who is a cop they would claim and that would be it. So theorel is confirmed town. If you targeted any other living player you should probably claim that.

[liopoil]

I am a neighbor. munch and raerae were my neighbors, but they are dead now. We are confirmed non-members of the mirror-universe scumteam. So I am just a VT with access to the things munch and raerae said, and a place to make notes to myself at night.

I think I have similar IC status to theorel now. A ton of things would have to be true for it to be possible that I am scum.

[Robz888]

Interesting. Well, I doubt we'll have a fake claim.

So, I'm trying to decide if there is any utility or possibility that you guys keep which cops you are a secret.

The problem with that is, okay, Jimm and liopoil, if either is scum, already knows which Cop theorel is and which Cop ashersky is. (And I do think it's decently likely one of them is scum, they are my top suspects at this point--Jimm to be Galz's partner, and liopoil to Glooble/Munch's partner. Of course, those things couldn't both be true.)

So, that would mean there's actually little utility to keeping secrets from town. Scum has that info.

However, any scum who is not Jimm/liopoil has no idea which cop they should target, which is a good thing.

However however, let's say either ash or theorel is a scum cop (it seems like it's impossible theorel is, so just ash, I guess). If we force them to be on the record about which cop is which, well, that puts the scum cop in a tough position, because the other scum team will surely kill him. Which is good for us... we'd like to exterminate one of the scum teams (if both still have living members), and we'd like a scum kill to hit scum rather than town, even if that scum is also a cop.

So those are my thoughts.

[Robz888]

I am a neighbor. munch and raerae were my neighbors, but they are dead now. We are confirmed non-members of the mirror-universe scumteam. So I am just a VT with access to the things munch and raerae said, and a place to make notes to myself at night.

I think I have similar IC status to theorel now. A ton of things would have to be true for it to be possible that I am scum.

You absolutely are not. All the people who could have confirmed this are dead. Even if you were a neighbor, you could be a maquis, which even makes some sense, it could explain raerae's night 1 death (she was neighbors with double scum!), and I think you decently likely to be Glooble's partner anyway based on the interactioh between you two yesterday.

[liopoil]

oh, and my flavor name is Rom. I have big ears.

Robz, here's why I think it is obvious:

For me to be on the MU scumteam:

I would have to either not be a neighbor, or have lied about the non-member thing. to fakeclaim being a neighbor would be silly, because I would have a good chance of being counterclaimed. theorel would also have to be the maquis cop. I don't have proof for the non-member thing, but munch being 100% against my lynch would make sense, because he knew 100% that I was town once galzria was NKed.

For me to be on the maquis scumteam:

I would have had to seriously bus glooble. I was on his wagon. there would have to actually be a third member of the team, which I am starting to think is unlikely. Theorel would have to be the MU cop.

[liopoil]

I guess it isn't the same level of proof, but it just seems like the chances are pretty slim.

[Robz888]

Uh, okay, maybe that is compelling, I guess. I'm starting to confuse myself. Hold on.

[Robz888]

oh, and my flavor name is Rom. I have big ears.

Robz, here's why I think it is obvious:

For me to be on the MU scumteam:

I would have to either not be a neighbor, or have lied about the non-member thing. to fakeclaim being a neighbor would be silly, because I would have a good chance of being counterclaimed. theorel would also have to be the maquis cop. I don't have proof for the non-member thing, but munch being 100% against my lynch would make sense, because he knew 100% that I was town once galzria was NKed.

For me to be on the maquis scumteam:

I would have had to seriously bus glooble. I was on his wagon. there would have to actually be a third member of the team, which I am starting to think is unlikely. Theorel would have to be the MU cop.

Did you seriously bus Glooble? I remember you guys being really reluctant to turn on each other, despite being the two main lynch choices yesterday. And it seems like one reason that was is its confusing for you whether you should turn on each other when it's going to be a loss for your team anyway.

The other thing... I guess makes sense. I mean, theorel could (and possibly should) shed some light here with his cop claim.

[Robz888]

I think I see what you're saying, though.

[liopoil]

yes, I was not exactly making a case on glooble, but I did put my vote on him. If I was scum with glooble I probably would have tried to start a case on someone else. both of us voting for each other does not help us.

I agree that we should at least consider ash and theorel claiming everything.

[ashersky]

There was no bus.  Go look at the votes.  I pressed, they both voted each other as a matter of survival.

Lio is not cleared.

I am Worf, btw. Awesomeness.

[Robz888]

There was no bus.  Go look at the votes.  I pressed, they both voted each other as a matter of survival.

Lio is not cleared.

I am Worf, btw. Awesomeness.

Yeah, that's closer to my memory of how things went.

[ashersky]

Also ready to vote lio today and jimmmmm tomorrow.

Lio especially based on his posts on this page.

[liopoil]

I guess I wasn't sure exactly what counted as a bus. I'm just having trouble seeing how both of us voting for each other could help us if we were on a team together.

[Robz888]

Actually, if you look at things, liopoil hastily voted for Glooble (without explanation) only when Glooble's lynch was already guaranteed. Glooble's dying move was to put his vote on liopoil (again without explanation), which is where it should be in order to disassociate himself from liopoil, if liopoil is indeed his partner.

It looks to me like a very, very lazy attempt at a last minute bus. Liopoil's comments indicate to me only that he is surprised it wasn't convincing.

I can comfortably do this, unless I hear a compelling reason from the cops why I am wrong.

Vote: liopoil

[liopoil]

Actually, if you look at things, liopoil hastily voted for Glooble (without explanation) only when Glooble's lynch was already guaranteed. Glooble's dying move was to put his vote on liopoil (again without explanation), which is where it should be in order to disassociate himself from liopoil, if liopoil is indeed his partner.

It looks to me like a very, very lazy attempt at a last minute bus. Liopoil's comments indicate to me only that he is surprised it wasn't convincing.

I can comfortably do this, unless I hear a compelling reason from the cops why I am wrong.

Vote: liopoil

Not true. When I voted glooble we were both at L-3, and glooble's vote put us both at L-2. They were both in response to ashersky's question about if we were willing to vote for each other.

[Robz888]

You both waited until it was a guarantee that one of you would be lynched. You both then put your votes in the most logical places (given you are scum together) without explanation.