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[mcmcsalot]

arent we waiting for dsell to say what he thinks of glooble and liopoil.

[liopoil]

Munch hasn't posted for a while. I think he might potentially hammer.

[Robz888]

There's still no particular rush. What does everyone think of my reassessments of Glooble and liopoil? I went into it leaning liopoil and came out leaning Glooble by the slimmest of margins. I'd really like to know if people agree with my reasoning.

[Jimmmmm]

You didn't present a particularly strong case on Glooble. I read it as "Seems Towny except for some buddying and decreasing participation", and then "liopoil seems slightly Townier". Do you have anything more solid on Glooble?

[theorel]

I actually agree with ashersky on theory for once...
Although scum is happy to hit each other, they're just as happy to hit town that the other team isn't targeting.  You decreased the chance that scum die at night (formerly it happened if either a team chose someone on the other team OR chose you), now it only happens if they choose the other team.

The problem is that you've increased the chance of an unlikely event slightly.  I'm not computing the exact %.
If it was originally something like:
2 scum, 2%
2 scum, 1 town: ~3%
1 scum, 1 town: ~9%
1 scum, 2 town: ~12%
2 town: ~65%

Then it's now like:
2 scum, 2.5%
1 scum, 1 town: ~13%
2 town: ~85%
(Again, %-s are made up to make the point, but the idea is most of the %-chance of things you removed from the pool go to the worse-for-town scenarios.)

[Robz888]

You didn't present a particularly strong case on Glooble. I read it as "Seems Towny except for some buddying and decreasing participation", and then "liopoil seems slightly Townier". Do you have anything more solid on Glooble?

Well, I guess that's all it boils down to. My point was, liopoil seemed much more substantive (especailly as time went on) by comparison. Although he's a big time sheeper. But he didn't buddy me (which I count as a positive).

[theorel]

Re: case on Glooble/liopoil.  I've drawn similar conclusions to you.  I started leaning liopoil but have ended up leaning Glooble after rereading and considering other people's cases/reads.

[yuma]

Unfortunately, I do think mcmc is town now.  This incorrect line of thinking spattered with survivalism is exactly what he did in ZMX, where he should have moved his vote to cause one town lynch instead of letting himself die, causing two town lynches.  He said he was worried about being lynched the next day.

This claim did nothing to help town.  I know mcmc thinks his little scenario thing makes sense, but it doesn't.

Sure, scum teams shooting each other is the best case scenario.  That happens whether he claims bomb or not.  I mean, we could all just claim and have them shoot each other right?  No.  Making it so they don't shoot a town you doesn't help everyone else, especially when you are passive utility at best.  This is basically like claiming VT but worse, because they'll never kill you now.  If you were a survivor, this is exactly the fake claim you do.

This is depressing.  Can we please just end the day and get to losing?

Don't over react. Any intelligent scum wasn't going to NK mcmc anyways. Why? Because he wasnt' very likely to be a cop and scum wants to hit the cops. Why? Because Robz said he didn't target anyone Day1. Any cop would have investigated--and thereby targeted--someone Night 1. This means that mcmc is very unlikely to be the cop. I had already come to this conclusion, but hadn't said anything out loud for the sake that scum wouldn't figure it out. But odds are that they already had... so mcmc outing himself as bomb wasn't bad because he wasn't going to be a target from scum anyways.

[Dsell]

Robz makes interesting points. I think I can get behind a Glooble lynch. We lose almost nothing content-wise and he is just as likely to be scum as anybody. Robz makes a good point about how nobody except for Munch and Liopoil have accused him of being scummy whatsoever. Because I have a scumread on Munch, this is actually scumpoints for Liopoil in my book. He could be trying to make something of his buddy's accusations.

But for now I'm fine with sheeping the case on Glooble. He is at L-1...should I hammer now?

[Dsell]

I agree with Jimmmm that neither of these cases seem terribly strong and I wish we had a better option. Maybe Jimmm even IS that better option. I'd feel way better about lynching Munch. But I'm not really prepared to make those cases at the moment.

[Robz888]

I'm fine with a hammer.

[ashersky]

I'm fine with a hammer.

Yes.  Hammer.

[Dsell]

Vote: Glooble

[jotheonah]

Sisko looks at the remainder of his crew, assembled in his office.

"You wanted to see me?" he asks.

Dax steps forward.

"Sir, don't you think it's a little odd, that you assigned all these crew to look for Maquis, Mirror Universe interlopers, and Changelings, and no one's reported any findings?"

"And yet," says Garak, "People still keep turning up ... dead."

"And we don't mean to suppose anything, sir," says Miles. "But it does seem like there's one explanation that just makes sense."

"Well?" the Captain asks, unimpressed. "Out with it."

"I will say it," says Worf. "You never even assigned teams to look for them. You are a Maquis p'tagh yourself, or a Mirror Universe one, or a shapeshifter."

"If you'll come with me to the holding cell," says Eddington.

"You'll never take me alive!" yells Sisko, throwing his baseball in Eddington's face. "The Maquis will free our people! We'll make the Federation and the Cardassians pay for what they've done to us!"

He tries to run away, but there are too many bodies blocking him in that office, and pretty soon he finds himself with Worf's mek'leth buried in his back.

Glooble has been lynched. He was Benjamin Sisko, the Maquis-aligned 1-shot Roleblocker.

Vote Count 3.3

Glooble (6): ashersky, theorel, yuma, liopoil, Robz888, Dsell {lynched}
Robz888 (1): TheMunch
liopoil (3): Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot, glooble

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Night Actions are do in 48 hours, at 6 p.m. February 7th.

[jotheonah]

Thread Locked

[jotheonah]

Without giving away specifics, the more 1-shots get used up the less time it takes to get these nights done, so I'm thinking about ending this one tonight at 6 instead of tomorrow at 6.  If there are any objections to the early start, please PM me or contact me in your QT.

[jotheonah]

As per request, will be opening this up ~midnight or 1 probably.

[jotheonah]

Dawn breaks on Deep Space Nine. I mean, not really, because, Space, but the lights on the promenade go up in an automatic cycle, and the artificial lighting illuminates some bodies.

With Kira and Sisko gone, there is some confusion about who's in command of the Station, but no one particularly complains when Worf takes over. He's surveying his new command when he comes across the bodies.

The first is the young Ferengi ensign, Nog, whose body appears to have been thrown from the upper deck of the promenade.

But the second causes Worf to break into a Klingon mourning scream. His wife, Jadzia Dax, is dead!

But what's this? Another young Trill happens to be aboard the station? Luckily, the EMH is able to transplant the symbiote into a new host!

ANd a good thing too. Deep Space Nine can't really stand to lose many more crewmembers.

TheMunch has been nightkilled. He was Nog, the Maquis-aligned Neighbor.

Jadzia Dax has been nightkilled. She was the ? ? ?-aligned 1-shot deathproof. She has been reborn as Ezri Dax.



Not voting(8): ashersky, theorel, yuma, liopoil, Robz888, Dsell, Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is February 21st at midnight.

[ashersky]

Are we still up for full claims?

[ashersky]

And do we believe it is 2 teams of 2?

[ashersky]

And who did TheMunch neighbor?  Probably worth speaking up.

Also, props to me and Robz for calling the one-scum-in-the-Munshraeray-triumverate thing.

[Dsell]

I am so validated right now.

[Robz888]

And who did TheMunch neighbor?  Probably worth speaking up.

Also, props to me and Robz for calling the one-scum-in-the-Munshraeray-triumverate thing.

My guess is that he was neighbors with Raerae, not a neighbor-"izer".

[Robz888]

So, we could actually be really close to winning here, if the only one left is Galz's partner.

[ashersky]

How do we feel about both cops claiming and comparing who was investigated?  If they both investigated the same people, they can be ICs.