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[ashersky]

Liopoil was mostly on mcmc on D3.  That's about it.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, I re-read lio for an alternative to Glooble. While he hasn't said anything in particular to make me think he's scum, he seems to have played a very safe game, not putting himself out there terribly much. Seeing as though the loud talkers all seem to be flipping Town, it seems likely that there is scum in this game who is trying not to be controversial. So while there's no one in particular who I think has a very high chance of being scum, I will Vote: liopoil since I think he has more chance of flipping scum than Glooble.
Of course, I'd rather lynch Glooble than no one, so if they're our only choices I'd be willing to hammer.

[Jimmmmm]

Also, massclaim tomorrow seems like it would work well for me. Hopefully we can get some decent info from the Cops.

[theorel]

Fine with mass-claim tomorrow.
I'm not really sure whether liopoil or Glooble is a better lynch.  Munch/Dsell do you guys have an opinion between those 2?

[mcmcsalot]

I have wanted a liopoil lynch almost two days now, since he jumped on the wagon that was built o me for no reason at a point that would make the wagon very viable. Many things people have been writing off as newbie I see as scummy, this may be because I was scum my first game and know I too advantage of the newbie excuse.

vote: liopoil I can go back to glooble if that's still who we want

[Jimmmmm]

Unofficial:

ashersky (1): Glooble
Glooble (3): ashersky, theorel, yuma (L-3)
Robz888 (2): TheMunch, liopoil
liopoil (3): Robz888, Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot (L-3)

Not Voting (1): Dsell

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Jimmmmm]

Would like to hear from Dsell. Interesting that neither lio nor Glooble are on the opposing wagon, but if they look like the only two we are likely to lynch, I suspect that will change, in which case one or the other will require two more.

[liopoil]

I would be in favor of massclaim. The only way that it hurts town is by letting scum have more informed nightkills. There aren't going to be very many more nightkills in this game though. If we can get a scum lynch as a result of it I think it will have been worth it. Right now it seems like I might be getting lynched, and that is not a scum lynch.

[Dsell]

I am very torn on Liopoil and Glooble, to be honest. I feel like Glooble is very very very hard to read, even though I've played scum with him before. And Liopoil is hard to read because he's new and I've never seen him play.

Liopoil has seemed slightly scummier, but that is basically what I would expect from a newbie vs a known lurker.

I suppose I prefer a Liopoil lynch.

I think Robz is town, though I confess that Munch made a couple sane-ish points in his case against Robz. However, I still think Munch is a lot scummier based on several things that he's said that have struck me very wrong.

[ashersky]

With 10 alive, I think it's worth waiting on a claim until tomorrow.  We'll have another lynch flip + wagon to analyze, plus whatever happens at night.  3 nights of actions for folk to report will be better and easier to analyze for lies.

I do think we need to end this day.  It's stalling, and that helps scum by having less content for the town to talk about in general, and makes it easy for scum to lurk because they can just say "but there's nothing to comment on."

Glooble: are you willing to vote liopoil
liopoil: are you willing to vote Glooble
TheMunch: are you willing to vote Glooble or liopoil
Dsell: are you willing to vote Glooble or liopoil

All of you, if the answer is yes, please respond with a vote.

I'm willing to switch, mcmcs is willing to switch, probably at least one other person is willing to switch.  So with just one of you guys voting, we can get a lynch done and move this game along.

[Robz888]

I would prefer if we don't close this thing before tonight. I want to look back over Liopoil and Glooble and really, really decide for myself who I think is scummier, and then make that case. I just haven't had the time yet, but I should tonight. Sorry for my endless delaying.

[liopoil]

Vote: Glooble

[liopoil]

I agree. I swear I'm starting my liopoil re-read any hour now. If I fail to convince, I will switch to Glooble.

I would prefer if we don't close this thing before tonight. I want to look back over Liopoil and Glooble and really, really decide for myself who I think is scummier, and then make that case. I just haven't had the time yet, but I should tonight. Sorry for my endless delaying.

This is getting out of hand...

[ashersky]

I agree. I swear I'm starting my liopoil re-read any hour now. If I fail to convince, I will switch to Glooble.

I would prefer if we don't close this thing before tonight. I want to look back over Liopoil and Glooble and really, really decide for myself who I think is scummier, and then make that case. I just haven't had the time yet, but I should tonight. Sorry for my endless delaying.

This is getting out of hand...

Agreed.  If IRL V/LA is your issue, Robz, night will let you read to catch up.  Make some contributions or don't try to lead town.

[yuma]

I am very torn on Liopoil and Glooble, to be honest. I feel like Glooble is very very very hard to read, even though I've played scum with him before. And Liopoil is hard to read because he's new and I've never seen him play.

Liopoil has seemed slightly scummier, but that is basically what I would expect from a newbie vs a known lurker.

I suppose I prefer a Liopoil lynch.

I think Robz is town, though I confess that Munch made a couple sane-ish points in his case against Robz. However, I still think Munch is a lot scummier based on several things that he's said that have struck me very wrong.

and still no vote...

[ashersky]

Glooble is at L-2.  L-1 to see if Glooble will ACTUALLY contribute, rather than saying "wait, don't lynch me yet, I'll contribute/claim/post" and then not having him do it, would be useful.

[yuma]

I agree. I swear I'm starting my liopoil re-read any hour now. If I fail to convince, I will switch to Glooble.

I would prefer if we don't close this thing before tonight. I want to look back over Liopoil and Glooble and really, really decide for myself who I think is scummier, and then make that case. I just haven't had the time yet, but I should tonight. Sorry for my endless delaying.

This is getting out of hand...

Agreed.  If IRL V/LA is your issue, Robz, night will let you read to catch up.  Make some contributions or don't try to lead town.

Disagree. Well to a point. That is I have no problem with the day continuing until Wednesday or so. I don't think we need to rush into anything... not that we are doing anything in a huge hurry here. But I do think it is worthwhile to allow Robz to form some reads and put them down. Again to a point... Real deadline is Friday. We aren't up against a deadline or need to worry about saving bankable time.

[Dsell]

I'll wait to see what Robz has to say before voting.

I suppose in the meantime I will Vote: TheMunch

[ashersky]

I agree. I swear I'm starting my liopoil re-read any hour now. If I fail to convince, I will switch to Glooble.

I would prefer if we don't close this thing before tonight. I want to look back over Liopoil and Glooble and really, really decide for myself who I think is scummier, and then make that case. I just haven't had the time yet, but I should tonight. Sorry for my endless delaying.

This is getting out of hand...

Agreed.  If IRL V/LA is your issue, Robz, night will let you read to catch up.  Make some contributions or don't try to lead town.

Disagree. Well to a point. That is I have no problem with the day continuing until Wednesday or so. I don't think we need to rush into anything... not that we are doing anything in a huge hurry here. But I do think it is worthwhile to allow Robz to form some reads and put them down. Again to a point... Real deadline is Friday. We aren't up against a deadline or need to worry about saving bankable time.

My point was that endless days full of nothing are bad for town, because it makes re-reads harder and obfuscates facts.

[yuma]

I agree. I swear I'm starting my liopoil re-read any hour now. If I fail to convince, I will switch to Glooble.

I would prefer if we don't close this thing before tonight. I want to look back over Liopoil and Glooble and really, really decide for myself who I think is scummier, and then make that case. I just haven't had the time yet, but I should tonight. Sorry for my endless delaying.

This is getting out of hand...

Agreed.  If IRL V/LA is your issue, Robz, night will let you read to catch up.  Make some contributions or don't try to lead town.

Disagree. Well to a point. That is I have no problem with the day continuing until Wednesday or so. I don't think we need to rush into anything... not that we are doing anything in a huge hurry here. But I do think it is worthwhile to allow Robz to form some reads and put them down. Again to a point... Real deadline is Friday. We aren't up against a deadline or need to worry about saving bankable time.

My point was that endless days full of nothing are bad for town, because it makes re-reads harder and obfuscates facts.

yes, to a point... but I think you are still thinking in a day1 mentality... where the stuff people put down (myself included) for the most part is garbage... reads based off nothing, votes based off little, over reactions, reactions to over reactions... etc, etc. But we are into day3. I say at this point anything that anyone puts down is worth rereading and could provide valuable later. Rereading later days isn't difficult. At least it isn't difficult enough to prevent the input of potentially valuable information.

For example... say Robz is scum. Just let's say... and he gets night killed tonight. I think a few more pages of talking--especially if it includes Robz solid reads and thoughts--is worth the little extra time it would take to reread. That is just one example--and I know one kinda on the extreme side--but still, a little difficulty rereading is worth having information that could be valuable. This however, isn't a super valuable topic and could make rereading harder... So I guess I am done talking about it.

[Glooble]

vote:liopoil

[ashersky]

Unofficial:

Glooble (3): ashersky, theorel, yuma, liopoil (L-2)
Robz888 (1): TheMunch
liopoil (3): Robz888, Jimmmmm, Glooble (L-2)
TheMunch (1): Dsell

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.




What happened to our mod, anyway?

[ashersky]

Unofficial:

Glooble (4): ashersky, theorel, yuma, liopoil (L-2)
Robz888 (1): TheMunch
liopoil (3): Robz888, Jimmmmm, Glooble (L-3)
TheMunch (1): Dsell

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

That's wrong, although based on the last unofficial.  Someone is missing.

[mcmcsalot]

I am voting for liopoil

[ashersky]

Unofficial Vote Count

Glooble (4): ashersky, theorel, yuma. liopoil {L-2}
Robz888 (1): TheMunch
liopoil (4): Robz888, Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot, glooble {L-2}
TheMunch (1): Dsell

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is February 8th at noon, forum time.