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[ashersky]

Shraeye would not surprise me as the Serial Killer. He did really want to lynch the SK cop.

We're under 14 hours to deadline.  Who's convincable on shraeye?  yuma?  Dsell?

[Dsell]

I would vote Shraeye. Probably not my first pick, but he's up there.

[shraeye]

I did really want to lynch the SK cop.  So did Munch, and liopoil (though he didn't want a hammer just to end the day).  In fact, so did a lot of people.  Perhaps I was just the one person you asked about it, so it sticks out in your mind.  I just don't see how this applies to me alone.

[shraeye]

Robz, are you really sold on lynching me?

ashersky, do you see any alternative?

[ashersky]

ashersky, do you see any alternative?

Glooble and Eevee remain options for me.

[shraeye]

I would vote Shraeye. Probably not my first pick, but he's up there.

Dsell, what can I do to convince you I'm not scum?  I have been as rational, logical as possible in my defense.  I have given solid reasons why I am highly unlikely to be on a mafia team.  SK is another issue, I could see peopel thinking I was the SK.  But does everyone really want to lynch the SK right now?

[liopoil]

...and lynching SK is better than lynching other mafia. However, shraeye has hardly been playing this game safely like a SK should... . I think Munch would vote for shraeye when he sees that the ash wagon has evaporated. He's 100% against my lynch for some reason , so I think he'd rather it was shraeye than me, even if he isn't enthusiastic about shraeye.

[shraeye]

I've hardly played this game safely like any scum would.  The one strike against me that carries serious weight is my misread and hard pushing of Cuzz.  I own that mistake.  I can't figure out why regardless of how proactive I've been today, people still want to lynch me.

Remember in Masquerade, when mafia did great just by NKing proactive talkers?  Whether or not I'm scum, you all agree that I'm hunting hard, why remove me from the game?

[shraeye]

I mean, everyone can agree that without a doubt, if I am playing towards my wincon (and I always do), that I am looking hard for at least one unit of scum in this game.  I feel like nobody has been as proactive as me today, but maybe I'm just biased towards me surviving.

[ashersky]

SK is another issue, I could see peopel thinking I was the SK.  But does everyone really want to lynch the SK right now?

Shraeye, I can see times when the "let's keep the SK alive" argument works.  I don't think this is one of them.  Actually killing (or outing, I guess) the SK gives us a lot of information about the set-up (scum numbers, etc.) and which roles matter.

So if you are the SK, you have two options, I think.  Try to convince us you are town and not lynch you, then keep killing--clearly not supporting this option.  Or you could out yourself and try to convince us you can help town.

[ashersky]

I've hardly played this game safely like any scum would.  The one strike against me that carries serious weight is my misread and hard pushing of Cuzz.  I own that mistake.  I can't figure out why regardless of how proactive I've been today, people still want to lynch me.

I think this is your strongest defense.  It's partly meta, of course, since "scum!shraeye wouldn't play this brashly" is an inference we can make, but safe, smart scum play isn't generally what you've been doing.

Not saying I'm convinced, though.  I mean, I could see sk!shraeye decided to really, really scum hunt during the days and kill town during the nights.

[Robz888]

Robz, are you really sold on lynching me?

ashersky, do you see any alternative?

Shraeye, I do weigh your contributions. Really, that is your best defense, you were highly proactive. But so was ehunt in M-XVI.

I'm not sold on you, no. I still think you're the best lynch. I could also go for liopoil or Eevee. Not Glooble.

If you were the SK, yes, I would want to lynch you. Are you the SK?

[mcmcsalot]

I disagree with shraeye being the best lynch, I think his play has been helpful and pro town with reads/cases ect.

I support the liopoil lynch and I guess I don't hate an eevee lynch he does seem to be lurking quite a bit recently.

[shraeye]

Robz, are you really sold on lynching me?

ashersky, do you see any alternative?

Shraeye, I do weigh your contributions. Really, that is your best defense, you were highly proactive. But so was ehunt in M-XVI.

I'm not sold on you, no. I still think you're the best lynch. I could also go for liopoil or Eevee. Not Glooble.

If you were the SK, yes, I would want to lynch you. Are you the SK?

I am not the SK.

I need to know NOW if people will lynch me when deadline rolls around.  I will not let that happen.

The problem is time is running out and people are being irrationally defensive of other lynches.  Every option taht comes up has someone goin "100% no; i'm never gonna vote for them".

[shraeye]

I disagree with shraeye being the best lynch, I think his play has been helpful and pro town with reads/cases ect.

I support the liopoil lynch and I guess I don't hate an eevee lynch he does seem to be lurking quite a bit recently.

Then vote liopoil NOW.  Make it happen.  there is no time to delay.

[shraeye]

Robz, are you really sold on lynching me?

ashersky, do you see any alternative?

Shraeye, I do weigh your contributions. Really, that is your best defense, you were highly proactive. But so was ehunt in M-XVI.

I'm not sold on you, no. I still think you're the best lynch. I could also go for liopoil or Eevee. Not Glooble.

If you were the SK, yes, I would want to lynch you. Are you the SK?

So I can promise you I'm not SK.  Will you vote liopoil with me?

[Robz888]

Robz, are you really sold on lynching me?

ashersky, do you see any alternative?

Shraeye, I do weigh your contributions. Really, that is your best defense, you were highly proactive. But so was ehunt in M-XVI.

I'm not sold on you, no. I still think you're the best lynch. I could also go for liopoil or Eevee. Not Glooble.

If you were the SK, yes, I would want to lynch you. Are you the SK?

So I can promise you I'm not SK.  Will you vote liopoil with me?

My gut reaction is that you are still at least slightly scummier than liopoil. I would like to know what, let's see, theorel, Jimm, and yuma think.

[mcmcsalot]

vote: liopoil I think this is both the most likely lynch to go through and one I support

[shraeye]

I want people to decide as soon as possible between me and liopoil. Or throw out another option; nobody seems to be scrambling to a lynch but me here.  And I know I'm under suspicion, but there are people who are vocally against my lynch that are doing nothing to give a better alternative.  Shame on them.

Also, do not derphammer.

[Robz888]

Well, I'm decided on you shraeye. I'm not unshakeable, I do weight your huge activity today. Liopoil hasn't done nearly as much as you, he's kind of a lurker, I don't think his point of view is very consistent...

Blah. Maybe I'm talking myself out of it.

I am currently going to keep voting for you to be lynched shraeye, but it's not too late to sway me. But really, I'm not sure what you need to say. I think I need to confer with smart people. I'd really like to hear from theorel, jimm, and yuma.

[shraeye]

Well, I'm decided on you shraeye. I'm not unshakeable, I do weight your huge activity today. Liopoil hasn't done nearly as much as you, he's kind of a lurker, I don't think his point of view is very consistent...

Blah. Maybe I'm talking myself out of it.

I am currently going to keep voting for you to be lynched shraeye, but it's not too late to sway me. But really, I'm not sure what you need to say. I think I need to confer with smart people. I'd really like to hear from theorel, jimm, and yuma.

I too wish for them to get online quick and state their firm opinion.

[TheMunch]

I do not want to have to choose between Liopoil and Shraeye.  I really dont think that liopoil is the right lynch for today.  However, What bothers me about the Shraeye case is everything that Shraeye has done I am also guilty of to some degree.  Just ofr some miraculs reason, Shraeye is getting shit for it and I'm not. 

I dont know what to propose as an alternative to make the choice not between liopoil and Shraeye.  I really want to lynch Ashersky but no one seems to behind this.  Liopoil, are you prepared to do whatever it takes to not get lynched like Shraeye?

[shraeye]

I do not want to have to choose between Liopoil and Shraeye.  I really dont think that liopoil is the right lynch for today.  However, What bothers me about the Shraeye case is everything that Shraeye has done I am also guilty of to some degree.  Just ofr some miraculs reason, Shraeye is getting shit for it and I'm not. 

I dont know what to propose as an alternative to make the choice not between liopoil and Shraeye.  I really want to lynch Ashersky but no one seems to behind this.  Liopoil, are you prepared to do whatever it takes to not get lynched like Shraeye?

So if it came down to liopoil/me, you would remain unvoting?

[TheMunch]

I do not want to have to choose between Liopoil and Shraeye.  I really dont think that liopoil is the right lynch for today.  However, What bothers me about the Shraeye case is everything that Shraeye has done I am also guilty of to some degree.  Just ofr some miraculs reason, Shraeye is getting shit for it and I'm not. 

I dont know what to propose as an alternative to make the choice not between liopoil and Shraeye.  I really want to lynch Ashersky but no one seems to behind this.  Liopoil, are you prepared to do whatever it takes to not get lynched like Shraeye?

So if it came down to liopoil/me, you would remain unvoting?

I'm convinced enough that both of you are town that I am not willing to vote for either of you.  I am voting for Ashersky however.

[Robz888]

I do not want to have to choose between Liopoil and Shraeye.  I really dont think that liopoil is the right lynch for today.  However, What bothers me about the Shraeye case is everything that Shraeye has done I am also guilty of to some degree.  Just ofr some miraculs reason, Shraeye is getting shit for it and I'm not. 

So you think the evidence against shraeye is bad, because it should also convict you, and you know yourself to be innocent?

Or you're just bothered by it because it's sort of not fair to shraeye?