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[Eevee]

I think Cuzz not wanting to give out the reasons for his town read on Jimm is a slight town tell rather than a scum tell. I think the people pushing for that (so namely raerae) have confirmation bias or just arent thinking it through.

I still oppose the cuzz lynch and hope people voting for him find the courage to vote for someone with a better chance at flipping scum, despite the fact that I'll be looking really stupid if cuzz ends up being scum after me saying this again.

[Jimmmmm]

Eevee, who's your biggest scum read?

[ashersky]

I think Cuzz not wanting to give out the reasons for his town read on Jimm is a slight town tell rather than a scum tell. I think the people pushing for that (so namely raerae) have confirmation bias or just arent thinking it through.

I still oppose the cuzz lynch and hope people voting for him find the courage to vote for someone with a better chance at flipping scum, despite the fact that I'll be looking really stupid if cuzz ends up being scum after me saying this again.

I've offered my alternative.  Most people aren't going for it.

Theo wants shraeye.  Most people aren't going for it.

A few want Jimmmmm.  Most others are going for it.

We're at the point where we need to lynch someone we can actually lynch, and move on.  That's Cuzz, I think.

[raerae]

I think Cuzz not wanting to give out the reasons for his town read on Jimm is a slight town tell rather than a scum tell. I think the people pushing for that (so namely raerae) have confirmation bias or just arent thinking it through.

I still oppose the cuzz lynch and hope people voting for him find the courage to vote for someone with a better chance at flipping scum, despite the fact that I'll be looking really stupid if cuzz ends up being scum after me saying this again.

Help me out, Eevee, I honestly don't get it.  We (the people on his wagon) are supposed to give our townreads so why isn't he held to the same standard?  I am honestly perplexed.

[Jimmmmm]

I think Cuzz not wanting to give out the reasons for his town read on Jimm is a slight town tell rather than a scum tell.

I agree that this COULD be the case, which is why I just want a good explanation why. It seems a strange thing for scum to say.

[ashersky]

I think Cuzz not wanting to give out the reasons for his town read on Jimm is a slight town tell rather than a scum tell. I think the people pushing for that (so namely raerae) have confirmation bias or just arent thinking it through.

I still oppose the cuzz lynch and hope people voting for him find the courage to vote for someone with a better chance at flipping scum, despite the fact that I'll be looking really stupid if cuzz ends up being scum after me saying this again.

Help me out, Eevee, I honestly don't get it.  We (the people on his wagon) are supposed to give our townreads so why isn't he held to the same standard?  I am honestly perplexed.

Raerae is correct here.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, would you vote Cuzz right now if it wasn't L-1?

[Jimmmmm]

No, I think Cuzz is probably Town.

[ashersky]

No, I think Cuzz is probably Town.

And people think me voting no lynch was scummy???

[Jimmmmm]

No, I think Cuzz is probably Town.

And people think me voting no lynch was scummy???

I don't understand, what's your point?

[ashersky]

No, I think Cuzz is probably Town.

And people think me voting no lynch was scummy???

I don't understand, what's your point?

That you, and others, are derailing the ONLY VIABLE LYNCH we have.

Who else have we even been close to lynching?  There was that Eevee wagon ages ago.  A few votes on you?  I got raerae up to a grand total of 2 votes.  Scum loves this, even without bankable deadlines, because we're just burying ourselves in pages that we won't have the energy to review.

[Jimmmmm]

Oh, you mean, "And look at how hard it is to get a lynch through!"

[ashersky]

Oh, you mean, "And look at how hard it is to get a lynch through!"

Yes.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, that's fair enough. As I've mentioned, I'm waiting for Cuzz to comment, and if he doesn't start playing ball I'll hammer him for stalling.

[ashersky]

Okay, that's fair enough. As I've mentioned, I'm waiting for Cuzz to comment, and if he doesn't start playing ball I'll hammer him for stalling.

He's clearly stalling.  Thing is, if he's stalling for a pro-town reason, I don't see it.  If he's really a cop, or even just really town, and he wants to live and help us, why isn't he talking?  Why isn't he explaining?  How can his silence help?  It's D1, not like he has info or something that he needs to take to the grave.

[yuma]

I am here. It appears that day hasn't ended, I'll be rereading and posting shortly...

[ashersky]

I am here. It appears that day hasn't ended, I'll be rereading and posting shortly...

Please include a hammer in that post.

[Eevee]

Goddamnit people, me answering it in cuzz's stead gives him the excuse no to answer if he really is just scum stalling, and also has the same disadvantage cuzz answering it himself would have has; scum gets some information town doesn't want them to have.

But, I guess it's pointlesss at this point. The most extreme bad scenario (I actually find reasonably likely) is that cuzz spotted a breadcrumb jimm dropped. If that's the case, big congrats raerae and ashersky for painting a target in the back of our cop/doctor.

[raerae]

Jimmmmm or yuma, can you answer this question?  I fully admit that I'm probably crazypants, I have my response typed up and ready to go regarding reads, but I would really like an answer to this.  (At this point, I've given up hope on cuzz responding to anything.)

Ash, before you get all hot and bothered, I did read your response but I felt it was very accusatory.  Didn't really give an answer, just sort of shook a shame finger at me.

[ashersky]

Goddamnit people, me answering it in cuzz's stead gives him the excuse no to answer if he really is just scum stalling, and also has the same disadvantage cuzz answering it himself would have has; scum gets some information town doesn't want them to have.

But, I guess it's pointlesss at this point. The most extreme bad scenario (I actually find reasonably likely) is that cuzz spotted a breadcrumb jimm dropped. If that's the case, big congrats raerae and ashersky for painting a target in the back of our cop/doctor.

Don't lump me in there.  I wasn't asking for him to answer.  I was asking someone to hammer.  I didn't care if he answered.

I think you keep forgetting (because I keep forgetting), being the cop/doc doesn't mean he isn't scum.

[Robz888]

Goddamnit people, me answering it in cuzz's stead gives him the excuse no to answer if he really is just scum stalling, and also has the same disadvantage cuzz answering it himself would have has; scum gets some information town doesn't want them to have.

But, I guess it's pointlesss at this point. The most extreme bad scenario (I actually find reasonably likely) is that cuzz spotted a breadcrumb jimm dropped. If that's the case, big congrats raerae and ashersky for painting a target in the back of our cop/doctor.

STOP.

[Robz888]

We need to stop rolespeculating about non-lynch candidates.

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm or yuma, can you answer this question?  I fully admit that I'm probably crazypants, I have my response typed up and ready to go regarding reads, but I would really like an answer to this.  (At this point, I've given up hope on cuzz responding to anything.)

Ash, before you get all hot and bothered, I did read your response but I felt it was very accusatory.  Didn't really give an answer, just sort of shook a shame finger at me.

I think you are asking for input on why people aren't reacting more negatively to Cuzz NOT explaining his Jimmmmm-town read, right?

I think you've seen some thoughts in the last few posts to that...

[Eevee]

To expand on my point above: why would scum fake a townread and refuse to explain any reasons? Inventing reasons isnt hard at all. Refusing to give them draws unwanted attention. Towntell.

I don't have a single strong scum read, and refusing to vote for anyone but one guy would actually be a bit unreasonable. Loosely in order I would prefer shraeye, Munch, liopoil, raerae, glooble or mcmc.

[Jimmmmm]

I'd like as many people as possible to say whether they have a strong townread on anyone in that collection (besides themselves), and why.

Wait, wait, wait...found another issue with beyond the stubborn "he didn't answer my question so I'm not answering his."  He didn't do this himself until post #1009 and then he basically said everybody on his wagon is scum or could be.  Maybe I'm being paranoid here but  for somebody who hasn't told town anything all game I don't feel like he's a good position to be commanding us around.  I don't feel comfortable telling his potential scumbuddies who I think is town.  That's strange, right?  If he is scum we just told his friends where they rank in our eyes.  Robz, you're actually striking cords with me this game, am I totally off my rocker with this?

I think that's a fairly good point, and I've wondered in general if Townies should be keeping quieter about their Town reads.

Holy crap. Cuzz is offline. He was in this thread, and now he's gone.

Announcing intent to hammer in ~10 mins if Cuzz hasn't posted by then.