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[TheMunch]

I really want the day to end.  I've been voting for you for over 20 pages.  You figure out what that means.

[Glooble]

Everyone in this game is a pr. Anyone who gets to L -1 will make a claim which will tell us absolutely nothing because roles are assigned independently of alignment. Cuzzs claim tells us nothing. It does tell the sk who to kill, unless we lynch him. If we start another wagon, that person will also claim a power role which tells us nothing and scum something. Lynching Cuzz now is the option that gives the scum teams the smallest amount of useful information.

[Eevee]

God, Munching is pushing some terrible arguments to get Cuzz lynched.
Cuzz offering to selfhammer just to end it just aogkoajgpoajpagj, no bankable deadlines, absolutely no reason to do that no, no no no.
Glooble, WHAT Cuzz claimed is still a piece of information though. Cuzz would NEVER claim the fbi-agent if he really wasn't one. He could claim say the cop that investigates his faction if he was a mafia roleblocker, or a doctor, or whatever. Not a role we know there to be exactly one of that could be scum or town and is arguably the weakest role in the entire game So WHAT he claimed clearly is much much more informational than your post made it seem.

That being said, it doesn't change all that much. If you still think he is scum, I think you should want to lynch him. I don't, but convincing enough people of any of my targets seems very hard at this point, which makes me sad.

[liopoil]

 I believe that cuzz is probably the changeling cop. I still think we should lynch him. I do not however, like shraeye and Munch are saying, think that we should do it just to end the day. I agree this long day isn't terribly helpful, but it can't hurt. If someone hammers it should be because they think cuzz is the most likely one of us to be scum, not because they just want to end it.

Also, lynching the changeling cop doesn't hurt us much. He can only be helpful if

a) there is a SK
b) he isn't nightkilled
c) he is lucky enough to actually hit the SK.

there is a 2/3 chance there is a SK. Assuming we lynch someone else there are 13 potential SKs for him to target. 2/3x1/13= 2/39. Of course, there's also the potential for him to survive another night, in which he would have slightly better odds. We can also subtract the possibility that we lynch the SK. (this is all assuming we don't lynch cuzz.)

So even if he is town, he likely is one of the least helpful station-members, and so would be less risky to lynch.

[Cuzz]

Vote Count 1.15

Cuzz (7): Galzria, TheMunch, shraeye, Glooble, liopoil, raerae, ashersky {L-1}
Jimmmmm (1): mcmcsalot
Glooble (1): yuma
raerae (1): Eevee

Here's something to chat about. My wagon is Galz, Munch, shraeye, Glooble, liopoil, raerae and ash.

I'd like as many people as possible to say whether they have a strong townread on anyone in that collection (besides themselves), and why.

[Eevee]

Vote Count 1.15

Cuzz (7): Galzria, TheMunch, shraeye, Glooble, liopoil, raerae, ashersky {L-1}
Jimmmmm (1): mcmcsalot
Glooble (1): yuma
raerae (1): Eevee

Here's something to chat about. My wagon is Galz, Munch, shraeye, Glooble, liopoil, raerae and ash.

I'd like as many people as possible to say whether they have a strong townread on anyone in that collection (besides themselves), and why.

It's quite incredible how similar my list of people I'd lynch and your lynch wagon is. I dont think I have an explicit town read on anyone in that list.

[Glooble]

I have fairly strong townreads on Galz and shraeye at the moment (and obviously myself.) Of course, if you flip town, I will be suspicious of them. But first we need to see a flip.

My read on raerae is null. TheMunch and liopiol I would say are a little bit scummy. Ashersky I keep going back and forth on. I seem to recal in the other game I played with him I thought he was scum the whole time and he ended up being town. (No, I can't remember what game that was.)

[liopoil]

Galz and raerae I think are town. Leening scum on ash, but he is confusing. munch, glooble, and shraeye I lean town, but munch and shraeye I think are pushing the wagon too hard, in a scummy way.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 1.15

Cuzz (7): Galzria, TheMunch, shraeye, Glooble, liopoil, raerae, ashersky {L-1}
Jimmmmm (1): mcmcsalot
Glooble (1): yuma
raerae (1): Eevee

Here's something to chat about. My wagon is Galz, Munch, shraeye, Glooble, liopoil, raerae and ash.

I'd like as many people as possible to say whether they have a strong townread on anyone in that collection (besides themselves), and why.

It's quite incredible how similar my list of people I'd lynch and your lynch wagon is. I dont think I have an explicit town read on anyone in that list.

The wagon is a pretty scummy bunch. Towniest is Glooble, for his one reaction that I thought was so town. Order of town to scum: Glooble, liopoil, raerae, ashersky, Galzria, shraeye, Munch.

[ashersky]

For what it's worth, I think we have to take into the account that Cuzz has been at L-1 forever, and no one has hammered.  That's generally a scum trait.

[liopoil]

scum trait of who? cuzz? the people not on the wagon? the people on the wagon? and why?

[Cuzz]

For what it's worth, I think we have to take into the account that Cuzz has been at L-1 forever, and no one has hammered.  That's generally a scum trait.

Or you could answer the damn question ash.

[Robz888]

scum trait of who? cuzz? the people not on the wagon? the people on the wagon? and why?

Scum trait indicating that Cuzz is scum.

[liopoil]

....because he has buddies who don't want to hammer?

[Robz888]

....because he has buddies who don't want to hammer?

Yes.

[mcmcsalot]

wouldn't his buddies want to hammer and distance themselves from him. I mean I know its debatable whether or not he will be lynched now but earlier, I was a bit behind and assumed cuzz was going to be lynched by the time I caught up.

[mcmcsalot]

I don't see scum buddies wanting to hold on to such a sinking ship

[Robz888]

I don't see scum buddies wanting to hold on to such a sinking ship

But it's SO BAD to lose a scumbuddy Day 1. So it depends whether you think his lynch was a guarantee or not. You said you thought it was happening for sure, but it hasn't happened. You haven't hammered him, for instance. See what I mean?

[Eevee]

It's less of a factor in multiball anyways. His supposed scum partners make up for a smaller portion of the entire town, and there is the whole other scum team (probably on his wagon already) who would be more than willing to hammer him if they thought he had a good chance of flipping scum.

[Robz888]

It's less of a factor in multiball anyways. His supposed scum partners make up for a smaller portion of the entire town, and there is the whole other scum team (probably on his wagon already) who would be more than willing to hammer him if they thought he had a good chance of flipping scum.

Yeah, I mean that's true. Cuzz sitting at L-1 and not getting hammered shouldn't be viewed as MAJOR evidence that he's scum.

[Cuzz]

Yeah yeah Cuzz might be scum, he might not be, we've been over this. I really want everyone to be on record with an answer to my question before seeing my flip.

[ashersky]

For what it's worth, I think we have to take into the account that Cuzz has been at L-1 forever, and no one has hammered.  That's generally a scum trait.

Or you could answer the damn question ash.

Dude, chill.  Who was I voting for for 90% of this game?  She's on your wagon.  She's clearly the scummiest on your wagon, to me.

[Cuzz]

For what it's worth, I think we have to take into the account that Cuzz has been at L-1 forever, and no one has hammered.  That's generally a scum trait.

Or you could answer the damn question ash.

Dude, chill.  Who was I voting for for 90% of this game?  She's on your wagon.  She's clearly the scummiest on your wagon, to me.

I don't mean to be unchill, but that wasn't the question. Do you have a strong town read on anyone there?

[liopoil]

Also:

Say you're on a scum team, and cuzz isn't on it. There are fewer scum for you to hunt for than everyone else. As it is jumping on a wagon is a risk because people on a wagon of someone who flips town gets suspected. If you are on another scum team the person who you're voting for is more likely to be town than if you are town. This means people who are scum should be more careful when voting for someone who is likely going to be lynched. So not only are the people on cuzz's team likely not on the wagon, but the people who are scum but not on his team likely aren't as well. there's still guaranteed to be around 5 town not voting cuzz though....

[mcmcsalot]

Alright intent to hammer when everyone answers his question,
I feel like raerae and galz are town mainly because of there play style comparative to ZMIX, no read on the munch and glooble, very muddled read on shraeye and liopoil I have felt scummy and towny about them recently, and I get scum vibes from ash due to his responses recently and I previously found him scummy.