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[Cuzz]

Shraeye, I appreciate the amount of effort you're putting into this case. That kind of effort is almost always pro-whatever your alignment is. But you're wrong. For town's sake I hope you're scum, because you will get heat tomorrow if this lynch goes through. I'll go ahead and respond to each point you make below. Let me know if I miss anything.

Reread Cuzz, topics in bold, starred ones are more important I feel.

**I don't think Cuzz was actually just skimming during the opening weekend
Cuzz was just vaguely skimming, but still had time to get in a Zing involving mcmcsalot/Robz.

...but that could come from robz being a sub par town player...

Kid catches on quick!

He says that this zing was just too good to pass up, and really is just skimming the thread, but really the quote he pulled came out of a fairly long block of text.  Doesn’t look like just skimming to me.  Either that or he’s just paying unusual attention to mcmcsalot’s posts.

Robz: Throughout the whole eevee thing robz took the lets wait for him to post and see if we can catch him approach. This is the exact thing he did in ZMIX , as an IC he offered very little of his own thoughts because he thought that would make it easy for scum to buddy. The plan obviously didn't work as is allowed mafia to run the discussion. So overall I think this is an anti ton strategy but that could come from robz being a sub par town player (said by him). His analysis on the cops seemed towny. Next comes more asking for other peoples analysis, and asking lurkers to post, neither town or scum read off this as it helps either one. Long time goes by and he mentions the fact that jimm and eevee could both be scum which is a definite possibility  although i'm inclined to thing eevee is town.

Have to go to dinner now will finish up thoughts on robz sometime soonish? and probably wont get to the next person for awhile.

This is gonna turn into a discussion about my playstyle that will be very boring and fruitless, but here goes. Game started on a Friday night. All of the discussion up to that point was about the mechanics of the game, and the Eevee/Dsell thing, and I believe I weighed in on both. Some standard RVS, nothing too exciting. Then weekend began and I was busy. I don't think I am the only one who believes that this game was far more active than most last weekend. I skimmed the thread all weekend, but I don't usually wish to post until I've carefully caught up on everything. One time, I happened to be skimming the thread, and that post from mcmc was the most recent one. It might seem reasonable that when I check for new posts, the most recent one stands out and gets read a little bit more closely. Well this just so happened in this case and I caught the opportunity for a stupid joke.

I'm trying to explain what happened around this point in the game, but honestly what are you even accusing me of here? You think I lied about how closely I was following the game during a busy weekend? It helps if in your case you make some mention of why your point implies that I'm more likely to be scum, because I really don't see it here.

Cuzz tells mcmcsalot not to suspect Dsell
Here’s another interaction with mcmcsalot, when momsalon calls out Dsell for giving reads without any evidence.  What sticks out to me is the last sentence, where it sounds a lot like he’s telling mcmcsalot not to suspect Dsell, instead of simply backing up Dsell’s methods.

I will definitely be giving reads today, I realize that there is a big target on my back. But I confess to not having many strong reads right now. Especially scum reads.

Town reads on Robz, Jimmmmmm

I guess slightly scummy on Eevee and TheMunch but those are very very weak reads.

I will go back and figure things out, school just started, life is busier and I have to settle into a routine. I will get around to things though.

I don't think this is ever a good idea, if you have reads but don't have time to explain them, say that and wait to post reads till you can explain. Saying town read on X and scum read on X with no backup hurts town in my opinion. Also I've noticed while going through this turns one post about reads into two posts, over 16 pages things like this are going to drastically increase your post count, this will later muddle the read on you which if you are town is anti town, I want an accurate reason to make town reads on people.

I don't agree with this at all. If you're town, saying as much about your thoughts as possible is pro-town, even if you don't have the time to flesh those thoughts out fully.
...
Also, there's no need to call out Dsell because he's town.

Again, what am I being accused of here? It doesn't count as part of a case if you're just summarizing things I've said without explaining what about those things leads you to think I am not town-aligned.

I saw mcmc pointing some suspicion at Dsell, and I mentioned that such suspicion is a bit silly at this juncture since all evidence points to Dsell being town. I just had this argument with ash a few hours ago and don't feel like repeating it now.

**my original case on him
The next big thing that pops out is his reaction to my case on him being “complete bullshit.”  He then breaks it down point by point in response, but never responds to the big part of my case where he keeps giving off  “but that’s not the right reason for suspecting me” tell.

my cuzz-case from before

response

I think the quote you're talking about here is this one:

And what's this scum narrative for me of yours that I'm fitting so perfectly? I'm not saying the idea is inconceivable but you're not backing up your assertions at all here.

You think this is scum being frustrated at being "caught" without reason. At a certain point, shraeye, I'm not sure what to say other than that you're wrong. I can only say it so many times. Eevee said some stuff that I wanted clarification of (and by the way, still never got. Check back: Eevee has never answered the question in the above quote unless I missed something). But that's neither here nor there. As town, I'm not gonna say "it IS inconceivable for me to be fitting your scum narrative of me that you've yet to explain" because that's irrational. People suspect town of being scum all the time, so it is quite conceivable, albeit incorrect. You're doing it right now, for example.

**next thing

I was emotionally defensive in that game. I tried to guilt and manipulate people into not lynching me based on a "I'm sorry for making you suspect me! I'm town and I don't want to make us lose!" type of plea. I feel like my defensiveness in this game was based on a point-by-point rebuttal of what I thought were inaccurate positions taken against me. And if people think my defensiveness was over the top, it's because I was astounded by just how inaccurate I found some of these positions to be.

I don't necessarily want to get into a huge Cuzz-meta discussion though. I've tried to switch it up every time I've been scum, so I doubt it's helpful for me or anyone else to overanalyze it in this game. I haven't been town in a while either, so comparing to early town games of mine when I was new and sucked (more so I mean) at this game is maybe also misleading.

Here Cuzz is discouraging us recalling emotionally defensive in Casino mafia (MXVI), but when I read the second paragraph this time around, I get the idea that AGAIN he’s saying that we can’t connect him this time to his past-scum plays because he changes things everytime he plays scum….implying that he’s scum in this game as well.  Vote: Cuzz

I'm getting more and more irritated the more of this case I read. Can you please reread my quoted statement above, and notice how in that paragraph, I advise against comparing my current play to my prior scum play AND my prior town play? And then can you read your quoted response in which you ignore half of that statement? Also my definition of the word "implying" must be different from yours because my statement implies no. such. thing.

**the deflection to lurkerGlooble

On a completely different note, I know Glooble is known for lurking, but would he really lurk to this degree as town? I haven't played with him outside of a random bastard game, so this is not a rhetorical question.

Nobody had mentioned glooble being suspicious (or really mentioned glooble at all in the past 2 days) at the time of this post.  Pointing to a lurker when in a bit of trouble is a classic way for scum to deflect attention, and hopefully the lynch, to somebody else.

Then after a few people vote for Glooble, and cuzz sees that this lurker lynch is gaining traction he jumps on with this statement

So, Glooble's at 4 votes?  Is there anyone who is opposed to the Glooble lynch?  (I'm not opposed, I weakly support it...no vote yet.)

I can't see any good reason to oppose such a lynch, other than "Glooble always lurks." But it's anti-town anyway. There's a reason LaLL is a thing. The only post of his that's stood out to me was his accusing me of trying to lynch Eevee as quickly as possible which was pretty unfair. Even shraeye defended me against that.
Vote: Glooble

Which tells me at least that glooble isn’t on cuzz’s scumteam.  This is another classic scumpost, basically saying that “well there’s no real reason NOT to lynch him, I guess we’ll just hope he’s scum…aw shoot, he was town, well I was looking for a reason to oppose the lynch as you can see, maybe he should have acted more pro-town”

You got me. Congrats. I was the first one to call out Glooble for lurking. I deflected to Glooble because I was sick of people focussing on me and suspecting me. I decided to steer the conversation to someone who I thought looked scummy. You know what conclusion this leads to? Can you guess? It leads to me not wanting to be lynched. You know who doesn't want to be lynched in this game? F**king EVERYONE. It does not lead to me being scum.

more interaction with mcmcsalot

I defer to my elders as far as this goes, my only game so far has been a blitz game and mislynching was terrible but I understand with this many people it won't kill us to mislynch if it allows us to find scum on D2.

Is this in relation to Glooble? What makes you think that "with this many people it won't kill us to mislynch" is applicable here? It sounds like in your above statement you know already that he will be a mislynch.

Oh, good catch, I glossed right over that. Vote: Mcmcsalot

I don't necessarily buy this scum slip in multiball. Scum can't know that any other specific player is town.

I've also only ever used scum slip arguments as scum against town. They jump out at you as an easy case to build when you're scum because they're on your mind as what not to do!

Now this looks a lot like defending one’s scumpartner.

It's not though. I am not scum and therefore have no scumpartner. (Are you reading along, Munch? I said I'm not scum) This was simply me saying I didn't like the case Galz made.

**Cuzz gives reads, Jimmm and mcmcsalot reads are odd

Jimmmmm's above defense of me is much appreciated, and to me seems to go beyond mere scummy defending of a townie to build towncred (plus such things don't quite work in multiball anyway). It reminds me of the way in which Robz defended me D2 of XII which helped solidify him as town in my mind.

I now have a pretty strong townread on Jimmmmm and will not support his lynch today. I also lean to the townie side on Robz, yuma, theorel, ash, and Dsell (strongly in his case).

People I do not have townreads on at all include The Munschrayerae, Eevee, and mcmc.

In the middle somewhere are Glooble, liopoil, and Galz.

Glooble's response to his wagon seemed genuine, but I'm a sucker and as yuma explained, it could be easy to fake.

So now Cuzz has moved from suspicious of Jimmm to having a strong townread on Jimmm.  Apparently all it takes is defending Cuzz.  Well I hope nobody else buys townreads that way, because I’m super sure now that Cuzz is scum.  There’s just too much going on here.

Note in the above post that cuzz puts mcmcsalot in the “do not have townreads” category despite defending the ‘scumslip’ that Robz/Galzria picked up on earlier.
Vote: Cuzz for emphasis.

I have a townread on Jimmmmm for a number of reasons, and don't want to go into all of them right now. But as I explained (rather carefully I thought) in the bolded bit above, the townread on Jimmmmm is partly based on the way in which he defended me carefully and in detail. To say "all it takes is defending Cuzz" is a gross oversimplification.

Also, your comment about mcmc there is nonsense. I can have a scumread on someone and still disagree with a particular accusation someone else makes of that person. That's not particularly twisted logic and I am not sure why you're having trouble following it.

Cuzz's previous opinion on Jimmmm
#373 he has a bad vibe from JImmm’s bad Eevee case
#399

Oh I'm sick of talking about Eevee. But I will gladly listen to any compelling case you have on him.

I don't have a compelling case. But your complete 180 on Eevee is weird. You went from having a case against him, to saying "maybe this case is not so good," to suddenly saying you will almost definitely not support his lynch today. To me that kind of attitude should be reserved for someone you have a strong townread on, and I'm not sure where that comes from.

#403 he says that he doesn’t have a super strong scumread on Jimmm from this, but is a bit suspicious

#423 he says he agrees with everything in Robz’s post here:

Well, Jimm has managed to completely destroy the towncred he had in my eyes. His total 180 on Eevee makes no sense to me.

I actually continue to find Eevee scum, based on some of the better of the earlier reasons (I still say him not knowing his PM was an exaggeration at least), and also, what Munch said about him. He does feel off. And look, I usually get huge townreads on Eevee, and I'm usually right about it. The last game, Eevee was scum, and I did not get an immediate huge townread on Eevee. So I am at least somewhat competent at reading Eevee, and you know what? I definitely see this Eevee as closer to scum!Eevee than town!Eevee.

But Jimm, I absolutely do not get Jimm's unwillingness to lynch Eevee. Like, I am not willing to say "I won't vote for X" about anyone except myself and Dsell.

Raerae also said the thing about being against the Eevee lynch, and that also bothered me. Look people, something is off with Eevee. That's my conclusion, anyway.

I'm not sure what's scummier: Eevee, or not recognizing how suspicious Eevee is.

So anyway, my scumread on Eevee remains relatively high, and Jimm has now joined that list. He also looks like he's scrambling to justify his Eevee opinions now. That's not a good sign.

Vote: Eevee again, I guess.

So I suppose Cuzz is now very suspicious of Jimmm; at this point Cuzz is voting Eevee because of Eevee’s Cuzzvote where Eevee didn’t “back up a bunch of stuff from his explanation”.  I suspect that Cuzz is actually agreeing more with Robz’s explanation on why people should be willing to lynch Eevee.

Aha, I think this post explains that Cuzz really is suspicious of Jimmmm for something

The issue I have is more with Jimmmmm than with you, raerae, but your "I'm in your corner" remark is causing me to attribute Jimmmmm's statements about Eevee to you as well, and it's possible you didn't mean to imply that you agreed with Jimmmmm about the specific thing I take issue with.

You are putting these quotes out of order, and I don't know if you're trying to intentionally mislead people here, but as the one being accused I find it really obnoxious. Check the timestamps, folks. I found Jimmmmm a bit scummy at one point (around January 7 as above). I now don't think he's scum (as explained later on January 12 in the earlier quote). What's the problem exactly?

PPE: I just reread my post, and do apologize for the excessively snarky tone. I don't really feel like rewriting everything in a more polite fashion though. Shraeye, I'm sure there are things you still disagree with, but please do let me know if you think I failed to respond to any important part of your case.

[Cuzz]

You guys are killing me. I'll respond to shraeye's case after the pats game is over.

Could you respond to my question while you're at it, please?

Can you remind me what that was?

[Cuzz]

I just don't see how shraeye looks "terrible" if cuzz flips town, same way I don't think it makes him look great if cuzz flips scum.  I don't think it tells us a whole lot about shraeye either way.

I mean, anyone who formulates such a huge, in-depth case on D1 on a townie looks bad.  It's just the way it is.  Doesn't mean he's scum, but it will look bad.

Ash you're starting not to look so great here either. You're gonna sheep shraeye's case on me, and then immediately go on about how scummy he'll look when I flip town?

[raerae]

You guys are killing me. I'll respond to shraeye's case after the pats game is over.

Could you respond to my question while you're at it, please?

Can you remind me what that was?

I don't know how much more I need to discuss this. I'm not voting for Dsell today. End of story.

Ok, fabulous, you won't vote for Dsell.  Who will you vote for?  I admittedly haven't done a reread of you but so far as I can remember you've only barked at shraeye for making a case on you and then had words with mcmc over his support of that case (might be wrong on the specifics there but definitely remember you and mcmc having some interaction).  I don't remember you making any cases against anybody.

[ashersky]

I just don't see how shraeye looks "terrible" if cuzz flips town, same way I don't think it makes him look great if cuzz flips scum.  I don't think it tells us a whole lot about shraeye either way.

I mean, anyone who formulates such a huge, in-depth case on D1 on a townie looks bad.  It's just the way it is.  Doesn't mean he's scum, but it will look bad.

Yep.
Ash you're starting not to look so great here either. You're gonna sheep shraeye's case on me, and then immediately go on about how scummy he'll look when I flip town?

[ashersky]

I just don't see how shraeye looks "terrible" if cuzz flips town, same way I don't think it makes him look great if cuzz flips scum.  I don't think it tells us a whole lot about shraeye either way.

I mean, anyone who formulates such a huge, in-depth case on D1 on a townie looks bad.  It's just the way it is.  Doesn't mean he's scum, but it will look bad.

Ash you're starting not to look so great here either. You're gonna sheep shraeye's case on me, and then immediately go on about how scummy he'll look when I flip town?

Yep.


Quote fail above.

[raerae]

I have a townread on Jimmmmm for a number of reasons, and don't want to go into all of them right now. But as I explained (rather carefully I thought) in the bolded bit above, the townread on Jimmmmm is partly based on the way in which he defended me carefully and in detail. To say "all it takes is defending Cuzz" is a gross oversimplification.

Why not go into this now?  Your ass is on the line and you aren't doing something that could potentially save it?  Are you just trying to buy time hoping somebody can get you out of this?  Why would you not give town more information especially considering Jimmmmm is reasonably high on more than a few people's scum radars right now?  Waiting for your response to my question but pretty comfortable with moving my vote right now.

[ashersky]

Cuzz's frustration in his response to the shraeye case is something I can relate to.  I really can.  I also feel like Cuzz has been dying fairly early in recent games, so that can add to the frustration.

Still, I think he's a good lynch option today.

[theorel]

@shraeye's case.  A summary:
1. When skimming he noticed a single line in the middle of a post that no one could ever notice while skimming in shraeye's estimation.
2. he's clearly partners with mcmcsalot, because he coached him and defended him.  This means that shraeye's already found the scum team.
3. He didn't address the "suspecting me for the wrong reasons" scumtell.
4. he deflected to Glooble.
5. He changed his read of Jimmmmm over a 5-day period from kind of scummy to strong town-read.
6. He has a null-read on mcmcsalot but was still willing to defend him from what he considered a bad scum-slip attack.

So, 1, 2, 5, and 6 are all total crap.
It should be obvious why I think 1&2 are bad based on the sarcastic remarks contained above.
5: He clearly included in his change of read that it was based on how Jimmmmm defended him, and why he thinks it's a town-tell.  (i.e. simply saying nah I think Cuzz is town is insufficient)
6: If you can only defend people you have town-reads on, them I'm obviously super-scummy because I have a null-to-slight scum read on Cuzz.  No sorry, calling out bad "scum-slip" attacks is a totally legitimate tactic regardless of your read on the person being called out.  That was not a defense of mcmcsalot, and I don't see why his interactions with mcmcsalot suggest that a null-read is off base in even the slightest way.

3&4 are legitimate.  The rest is fluff intended to inflate shraeye's case and make a longer post.  FOS: Glooble, lipoil, and Ashersky for sheeping this.

[Cuzz]

Cuzz's frustration in his response to the shraeye case is something I can relate to.  I really can.  I also feel like Cuzz has been dying fairly early in recent games, so that can add to the frustration.

Still, I think he's a good lynch option today.

ohmygodyousuck

[Eevee]

Catching up from phone.

ashersky, no one is saying Dsell is IC EXCEPT FOR YOU. I 100% agree with cuzz, it's like we got a semi-naive cop saying "I have 75% accurate info Dsell is town".
Now, he hasn't played GOOD town today, but that doesn't
change the fact he is my biggest townread after myself. I repeat: if he was crafty enough
to say the station thing as scum, wouldn't he also make sure to post enough to build on the towny status? Remember how long lolcats was in night? Dsell seems like a busy townie to me.

I don't like the cuzz lynch, he has been making sense to me and also seems genuine in his emotions. So apologies, not participating in that lynch.

munch or shraeye are my preferences, still wouldn't oppose glooble. I realize this makes me the guy who derails and doesn't help us get a lynch sooner but I'm not going against my reads.

[ashersky]

vote: no lynch

I read someone's thread on parity, but it didn't mention multiple scum teams.

We're clearly not getting a consensus on anyone going, so I think it's in town's best interest to get to night and hopefully 3 investigations.

@theo -- depends how you define sheeping--I followed the votes onto the most promising wagon, not the argument laid out by shraeye.  I mean, check out Cuzz's interactions.  They aren't the towniest of the day.

@Cuzz -- yeah, probably.  Still, at least I feel your pain, right?

@Eevee -- you continue to read townier than the people you claim are town.  Would you join me on raerae?

[Cuzz]

You guys are killing me. I'll respond to shraeye's case after the pats game is over.

Could you respond to my question while you're at it, please?

Can you remind me what that was?

I don't know how much more I need to discuss this. I'm not voting for Dsell today. End of story.

Ok, fabulous, you won't vote for Dsell.  Who will you vote for?  I admittedly haven't done a reread of you but so far as I can remember you've only barked at shraeye for making a case on you and then had words with mcmc over his support of that case (might be wrong on the specifics there but definitely remember you and mcmc having some interaction).  I don't remember you making any cases against anybody.

I feel like I've spent most of the time I care to spend on this game defending myself and haven't had a ton of time for rereading others and solidifying my reads. I have given an overview though which you apparently missed (actually PPE you couldn't have missed it because you got annoyed with me putting you shraeye and munch together in that post). Anyway
I will probably not vote for Dsell, Robz, Jimmmmm, theorel, or yuma today. I probably also won't vote for Galz or liopoil but less sure there. Would potentially vote for you, Eevee, Glooble, munch, shraeye, mcmc and now ash as well. Also considering voting for myself and letting yuma quick hammer because we do need to get this day over and I'm clearly going to be a huge distraction for the rest of the game at this point.

[ashersky]

You guys are killing me. I'll respond to shraeye's case after the pats game is over.

Could you respond to my question while you're at it, please?

Can you remind me what that was?

I don't know how much more I need to discuss this. I'm not voting for Dsell today. End of story.

Ok, fabulous, you won't vote for Dsell.  Who will you vote for?  I admittedly haven't done a reread of you but so far as I can remember you've only barked at shraeye for making a case on you and then had words with mcmc over his support of that case (might be wrong on the specifics there but definitely remember you and mcmc having some interaction).  I don't remember you making any cases against anybody.

I feel like I've spent most of the time I care to spend on this game defending myself and haven't had a ton of time for rereading others and solidifying my reads. I have given an overview though which you apparently missed (actually PPE you couldn't have missed it because you got annoyed with me putting you shraeye and munch together in that post). Anyway
I will probably not vote for Dsell, Robz, Jimmmmm, theorel, or yuma today. I probably also won't vote for Galz or liopoil but less sure there. Would potentially vote for you, Eevee, Glooble, munch, shraeye, mcmc and now ash as well. Also considering voting for myself and letting yuma quick hammer because we do need to get this day over and I'm clearly going to be a huge distraction for the rest of the game at this point.

I changed my vote, so that self-vote won't work.

[Eevee]

i would, yes. Vote:raerae even, I'm fine with voting for any of Munch, liopoil, shraeye, raerae or glooble, not likely to vote for anyone else today.

[ashersky]

i would, yes. Vote:raerae even, I'm fine with voting for any of Munch, liopoil, shraeye, raerae or glooble, not likely to vote for anyone else today.

Okay.  vote: raerae, my original scum read.

[Cuzz]

I have a townread on Jimmmmm for a number of reasons, and don't want to go into all of them right now. But as I explained (rather carefully I thought) in the bolded bit above, the townread on Jimmmmm is partly based on the way in which he defended me carefully and in detail. To say "all it takes is defending Cuzz" is a gross oversimplification.

Why not go into this now?  Your ass is on the line and you aren't doing something that could potentially save it?  Are you just trying to buy time hoping somebody can get you out of this?  Why would you not give town more information especially considering Jimmmmm is reasonably high on more than a few people's scum radars right now?  Waiting for your response to my question but pretty comfortable with moving my vote right now.

Because I don't want to right now.

[ashersky]

I have a townread on Jimmmmm for a number of reasons, and don't want to go into all of them right now. But as I explained (rather carefully I thought) in the bolded bit above, the townread on Jimmmmm is partly based on the way in which he defended me carefully and in detail. To say "all it takes is defending Cuzz" is a gross oversimplification.

Why not go into this now?  Your ass is on the line and you aren't doing something that could potentially save it?  Are you just trying to buy time hoping somebody can get you out of this?  Why would you not give town more information especially considering Jimmmmm is reasonably high on more than a few people's scum radars right now?  Waiting for your response to my question but pretty comfortable with moving my vote right now.

Because I don't want to right now.

Cuzz, who are you willing to sheep at this point?

[raerae]

Vote: Cuzz

Shraeye's argument is good, cuzz hasn't contributed because he's been too busy defending himself, and still refuses to tell us why jimmmmm is so town.  I'm sold.

[Eevee]

Vote: Cuzz

Shraeye's argument is good, cuzz hasn't contributed because he's been too busy defending himself, and still refuses to tell us why jimmmmm is so town.  I'm sold.

Survivalissssm. Note to self: raerae had a chance to persuade me with ate here, but failed to do so.

[Glooble]

@shraeye's case.  A summary:
1. When skimming he noticed a single line in the middle of a post that no one could ever notice while skimming in shraeye's estimation.
2. he's clearly partners with mcmcsalot, because he coached him and defended him.  This means that shraeye's already found the scum team.
3. He didn't address the "suspecting me for the wrong reasons" scumtell.
4. he deflected to Glooble.
5. He changed his read of Jimmmmm over a 5-day period from kind of scummy to strong town-read.
6. He has a null-read on mcmcsalot but was still willing to defend him from what he considered a bad scum-slip attack.

So, 1, 2, 5, and 6 are all total crap.
It should be obvious why I think 1&2 are bad based on the sarcastic remarks contained above.
5: He clearly included in his change of read that it was based on how Jimmmmm defended him, and why he thinks it's a town-tell.  (i.e. simply saying nah I think Cuzz is town is insufficient)
6: If you can only defend people you have town-reads on, them I'm obviously super-scummy because I have a null-to-slight scum read on Cuzz.  No sorry, calling out bad "scum-slip" attacks is a totally legitimate tactic regardless of your read on the person being called out.  That was not a defense of mcmcsalot, and I don't see why his interactions with mcmcsalot suggest that a null-read is off base in even the slightest way.

3&4 are legitimate.  The rest is fluff intended to inflate shraeye's case and make a longer post.  FOS: Glooble, lipoil, and Ashersky for sheeping this.

1. Seems legit to me, at least as supporting evidence. When lurking as scum, in previous games, I definitely read much more carefully than when I was lurking as town. And popping in to make a joke is great from a scum lurking perspective. It reminds everyone your still around without having to put yourself out there with reads, etc.
 
2. I need to retread to form an opinion.

5 and 6 I agree are kind of weak.

But it's still the best case I've seen, and I feel fine about keeping my vote where it is.

[raerae]

Vote: Cuzz

Shraeye's argument is good, cuzz hasn't contributed because he's been too busy defending himself, and still refuses to tell us why jimmmmm is so town.  I'm sold.

Survivalissssm. Note to self: raerae had a chance to persuade me with ate here, but failed to do so.

Wait, persuade you?  Tell me what you want to know and I'll address it but I already announced intent to vote cuzz a few posts back.  Well before you and ash decided to form a wagon on me for...I'm sorry, what was the reason?

[Cuzz]

I have a townread on Jimmmmm for a number of reasons, and don't want to go into all of them right now. But as I explained (rather carefully I thought) in the bolded bit above, the townread on Jimmmmm is partly based on the way in which he defended me carefully and in detail. To say "all it takes is defending Cuzz" is a gross oversimplification.

Why not go into this now?  Your ass is on the line and you aren't doing something that could potentially save it?  Are you just trying to buy time hoping somebody can get you out of this?  Why would you not give town more information especially considering Jimmmmm is reasonably high on more than a few people's scum radars right now?  Waiting for your response to my question but pretty comfortable with moving my vote right now.

Because I don't want to right now.

Cuzz, who are you willing to sheep at this point?

I dunno if it's helpful to answer this right now. If I say a few names here and one of them turns out to be scum then they can use that to manipulate my vote.

[Eevee]

Vote: Cuzz

Shraeye's argument is good, cuzz hasn't contributed because he's been too busy defending himself, and still refuses to tell us why jimmmmm is so town.  I'm sold.

Survivalissssm. Note to self: raerae had a chance to persuade me with ate here, but failed to do so.

Wait, persuade you?  Tell me what you want to know and I'll address it but I already announced intent to vote cuzz a few posts back.  Well before you and ash decided to form a wagon on me for...I'm sorry, what was the reason?

Well, I meant I got to take a read from your response to getting two votes in a rapid fashion. I'm not saying you couldnt react like that as town, but sometimes people react in a way that's very very likely to be a townie reaction and this wasn't one of those times.

[ashersky]

Cuzz, who are you willing to sheep at this point?

I dunno if it's helpful to answer this right now. If I say a few names here and one of them turns out to be scum then they can use that to manipulate my vote.

That's a good and fair answer.