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[Jimmmmm]

I think I understand why opinions on me are divided. I also think my case is an easy one to push if you look at my game broadly instead of bothering with details.

Not trying to make any particular point, just a couple of thoughts.

[Jimmmmm]

Hmm, now these two things are interesting:

Jimmm has been put under a bit of pressure, and I especially liked shraeye's case on him.

He's voting Jimmmmm without a case.

I must admit, when I read what yuma wrote I thought "Huh? What case? He seemed to say a lot about Eevee and then vote for me." There's a little bit there on me, but not that much.

[mcmcsalot]

To answer theorel, I said before that this reaction from me was in fact over the top. It was due to the fact that I had put too much faith in someone else's argument early on in the game and realized I cannot do that as I cannot trust anyone.
I do however have a strong scum read on Jim now because of the way he has acted under pressure and because of the case he has made against me. I believe his case against me is poor and flawed, I would like him to answer my previous question or at least explain what he meant. I will quote it in the next post for reference.

[yuma]

Hmm, now these two things are interesting:

Jimmm has been put under a bit of pressure, and I especially liked shraeye's case on him.

He's voting Jimmmmm without a case.

I must admit, when I read what yuma wrote I thought "Huh? What case? He seemed to say a lot about Eevee and then vote for me." There's a little bit there on me, but not that much.

and when I read this I thought "Huh? There was a pretty big post about it!" But I looked back and realized that a lot of the text I was attributing to shraeye, was actually written by raerae.

[mcmcsalot]

ash's recent posts have read towny to me

See, this is what I'm talking about. Saying "X read Y to me" just seems to be coming all too naturally for someone who has never had to make Town/scum reads before. I get the impression that you are offering token reads to make sure that you have some sort of an opinion, similar to what you were doing in ZMIX. Having said that, your second point is more what I would expect.

In ZMIX I pushed hard for a lynch on raerae on D1. Also I'm confused what you mean by token reads? Do you find me scummy because I am not making strong enough reads, or do you find me scummy for making too strong reads as it is my first game as town.

Lastly Jim I believe you have taken my post about ash out of context as you did with your case on eevee to make your argument seem stronger. This seems intrinsically scummy, as you have done it twice now.

[Robz888]

Mc, In what way did he take it out of context?

[Cuzz]

Ash did you misspeak in one of these quotes? They contradict each other.

Townier, but not obv!town.  Most likely town voting for Eevee is Cuzz.

2. the cuzz-eevee interaction is interesting. I think that I get a town read from Cuzz out of it. But more of a slight scum read from eevee, but not enough to vote for at this time for me.

Funny, that interaction had the opposite effect for me.  Maybe since we were scum together before?

Didn't you call me the most likely town on the Eevee wagon?

Most likely scum on the Eevee wagon.

[mcmcsalot]

Mc, In what way did he take it out of context?

He didn't take it out of context sorry for misspeaking, but separated from the rest of my post makes it sound more scummy than with the rest, for example I did not just exclaim ash seems towny to me, it was my reasoning for removing a vote that had become stale. It was also not my only reason for removing my vote. This by itself is not a big deal, coupled with the previous miss representation of eevee's posts it makes me worry he is pushing for people and trying to gather support rather than presenting a case. This seems like a much scummier way of going about things and not the most pro town.

[Cuzz]

So my response read to you as scum rather than lazy town?

So far I'm leaning that way. I think I asked you for a couple of pretty straightforward clarifications and got the sense that you were brushing them off and dodging the questions.

[Cuzz]

Cuzz comes off scummier to me than Eevee. Something about his demeanor seems like he's trying to get a lynch fast, and that doesn't seem like a town mentality.

I am totally not trying to push a lynch fast. I think I've covered this, but I was prodding Eevee for clarifications of his reasoning. I do think his responses and lacks thereof were scummy, but I'm not trying to ram his lynch through asap.

[Cuzz]

Cuzz, you claimed your first vote on Eevee was just a joke. When you got back to the thread and finally caught up, you unvoted.

What happened between posts #222, where you unvoted, and #411 when you put your vote back that made you think Eevee was scum after all?

It was all to do with his voting for me without reason, and the subsequent dodging of the requests for clarification. I know I've covered this a lot, but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring your direct question to me from earlier.

[ashersky]

Ash did you misspeak in one of these quotes? They contradict each other.

Actually, no, I don't think I misspoke.  Clearly they are opposite.  I don't remember why I felt the first way, but I think the second way is correct.

To clarify, I think the tunneling was too much, and came off scummy with the "lies! lies!" stuff.  I'd say most likely town voting for Eevee is actually Robz.  So maybe I did misspeak?  Maybe I meant most likely scum voting for Eevee the first time, too?  Who was I responding to the first time?

Townier, but not obv!town.  Most likely town voting for Eevee is Cuzz.

2. the cuzz-eevee interaction is interesting. I think that I get a town read from Cuzz out of it. But more of a slight scum read from eevee, but not enough to vote for at this time for me.

Funny, that interaction had the opposite effect for me.  Maybe since we were scum together before?

Didn't you call me the most likely town on the Eevee wagon?

Most likely scum on the Eevee wagon.

[Galzria]

You had been responding to this Ashersky:

Ashersky and Jimmm - You two both voted Eevee earlier. There's now a wagon on him without your votes. How do you feel regarding Eevee now? More scummy? Less? If each of you accepts yourself to be town, then who out of the 5 other people to have voted Eevee - or Eevee himself - do you think is most likely scum?

[Eevee]

I have no idea who I'd like to lynch, just a few people I know I dont want to see lynched. We should absolutely start to make progress towards lynching someone now though.

[Galzria]

I have no idea who I'd like to lynch, just a few people I know I dont want to see lynched. We should absolutely start to make progress towards lynching someone now though.

What are your feelings towards Jimmm? Three people voted for him (Shraeye, Raerae, Yuma), and Robz expressed a strong willingness to vote as well. I believe a few others have placed suspicion his way on top of those 4.

[Eevee]

I don't want to lynch him. It's not that I have a super strong town read on him or anything (I guess slight town is how I'd describe it), but he quite frankly deserves to live for being so active in the game. If I had investigational powers, I'd use them on him tonight.

[Galzria]

I don't want to lynch him. It's not that I have a super strong town read on him or anything (I guess slight town is how I'd describe it), but he quite frankly deserves to live for being so active in the game. If I had investigational powers, I'd use them on him tonight.

So the only two wagons to grow above two votes have been you and Jimmm (Cuzz briefly, perhaps? Me/You/Robz?). I'm actually finding Cuzz's recent posts to read more townie, and certainly my original reasoning for voting (that he was only engaging in easy setup talk to sound like he was participating without actually saying anything of value) him no longer stands up. As I should probably unvote.

However, if you and Jimmm ate off the table, who do you suggest gets more scrutiny?

[Galzria]

Missing word in last sentence of first paragraph:

As *such* I should...

[Galzria]

Erm, and I really don't recommend eating pdf the table. It's a dirty, nasty place.

[Galzria]

Grrrr! Fucking phone. FoS: autocorrect.

pdf above = off.

[Eevee]

Can you give me a post count? On mobile.

[Galzria]

Can you give me a post count? On mobile.

As am I, but give me a few.

[Eevee]

Fwiw, what I'm looking to find is a new target, someone who has a low post count for themself and who hasn't done anything memorable at all. Someone who has posted a lot of jokes, easy theory answers or questions, rules clarifications or the likes.

[Galzria]

Robz - 76
Jimm - 70
Ashersky - 65
Eevee - 59
Galzria - 52
Cuzz - 51
Raerae - 37
Shraeye - 30
Yuma - 29
mcmc - 26
Dsell - 20
Glooble - 18
Sparky/Munch - 15
Theorel - 14
Liopoil - 13

[Galzria]

Thing is, outside of liopoil whom I don't have any basis for, I don't think anybody there has been lurking against their standards. Maaaybe Munch, who has 12 posts since replacing in, but even there...

Like I noted earlier, I'm just not sure LALL is going to be a viable tool this game based simply on the levels of activity so far. There won't be "easy, low hanging fruit" like there often is. Finding scum is going to require more substantial effort.