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[Archetype]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

[faust]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

[pingpongsam]

There is a liar between faust and scotty. Unvote

An interesting thing missing from faust's analysis on scotty is the fact that scotty consistently ends up on dead townie's wagons.

I'm interested to hear roles claimed by every player left in the game at this point.

[Archetype]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

No, I think we need a full-on claim from both. But Scotty needs to go first.

[faust]

I'm interested to hear roles claimed by every player left in the game at this point.

What do you hope to get from this? Everyone left will claim Doc. (Except there if there is still a Cop out there, and both you and scott are lying. But I doubt scott would have claimed if that were the case)

[faust]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

No, I think we need a full-on claim from both. But Scotty needs to go first.

I oppose this, and don't see any reason why this would be good. Especially considering that you claimed N1 Doc.

[Archetype]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

No, I think we need a full-on claim from both. But Scotty needs to go first.

I oppose this, and don't see any reason why this would be good. Especially considering that you claimed N1 Doc.

Why would it be bad?

[Twistedarcher]

i think given Faust's and Scott's claims, we probably do want to massclaim role...

[scott_pilgrim]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

No, I think we need a full-on claim from both. But Scotty needs to go first.

I oppose this, and don't see any reason why this would be good. Especially considering that you claimed N1 Doc.

Why would it be bad?

Why would it be good?  It basically guarantees no more cop results.  I literally cannot think of a benefit to this.  Scum just RNG's whether to claim N4, N5, or N6 (or already investigated now-dead), and they find out who to kill when.

[Robz888]

I think the point is, if the scum are playing intelligently, everyone other than faust and scotty is claiming Doctor. So we are not really hurt by massclaim.

[Robz888]

I mean, by all means if you there's another Cop, step forward. Otherwise you're pretty much claiming Doctor by default, yes?

[pingpongsam]

Yeah, I want to know if there is someone else who is going to claim Cop because I think it is possible Scott and Faust are both lying.

There is no reason to not have full role claims from all players at this point.

[Archetype]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

No, I think we need a full-on claim from both. But Scotty needs to go first.

I oppose this, and don't see any reason why this would be good. Especially considering that you claimed N1 Doc.

Why would it be bad?

Why would it be good?  It basically guarantees no more cop results.  I literally cannot think of a benefit to this.  Scum just RNG's whether to claim N4, N5, or N6 (or already investigated now-dead), and they find out who to kill when.

N6 isn't an option.

Does this make Scotty more likely Town or Scum? I lean scum.

[faust]

N6 isn't an option.

Does this make Scotty more likely Town or Scum? I lean scum.

Why? I think it makes him more likely town, because scum would have discussed our roles in detail in their QT.

[Robz888]

What? I don't understand, Night 6 doctor is possible.

[Robz888]

It says it in the op, I just checked.

[Robz888]

No, it doesn't nevermind, I read that wrong.

[scott_pilgrim]

Both Scotty and Faust: claim

I have some thoughts, but I'll wait for them to claim.

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

No, I think we need a full-on claim from both. But Scotty needs to go first.

I oppose this, and don't see any reason why this would be good. Especially considering that you claimed N1 Doc.

Why would it be bad?

Why would it be good?  It basically guarantees no more cop results.  I literally cannot think of a benefit to this.  Scum just RNG's whether to claim N4, N5, or N6 (or already investigated now-dead), and they find out who to kill when.

N6 isn't an option.

Does this make Scotty more likely Town or Scum? I lean scum.

For some reason I could have sworn the set-up picked randomly N1-N6.  Anyway, it doesn't affect what I'm saying, they pick randomly among N4, N5, or already investigated someone who is now dead.  I think I made the same mistake earlier too.  I still want to hear why you think it would be a good idea for me and faust to claim night (or whether we investigated someone who is now dead, though faust already stated that he didn't do that (which I still don't think he should have done)).

Also, can you explain why my mis-remembering the set-up rules makes me scummier?

[Robz888]

Well, I am a Doctor, obviously.

[faust]

For some reason I could have sworn the set-up picked randomly N1-N6.  Anyway, it doesn't affect what I'm saying, they pick randomly among N4, N5, or already investigated someone who is now dead.  I think I made the same mistake earlier too.  I still want to hear why you think it would be a good idea for me and faust to claim night (or whether we investigated someone who is now dead, though faust already stated that he didn't do that (which I still don't think he should have done)).

Also, can you explain why my mis-remembering the set-up rules makes me scummier?

Where did I do that?

[scott_pilgrim]

For some reason I could have sworn the set-up picked randomly N1-N6.  Anyway, it doesn't affect what I'm saying, they pick randomly among N4, N5, or already investigated someone who is now dead.  I think I made the same mistake earlier too.  I still want to hear why you think it would be a good idea for me and faust to claim night (or whether we investigated someone who is now dead, though faust already stated that he didn't do that (which I still don't think he should have done)).

Also, can you explain why my mis-remembering the set-up rules makes me scummier?

Where did I do that?

Never mind, I miss read this:

I have not targeted any player who is still alive. Is this enough for you?

[faust]

Archetype, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts now, since neither scott nor I are going to claim anything else.

[AHoppy]

Sorry I have kinda dropped off the grid, I'm catching up on D4.  Life has still been insane.  I'm having more work to do this semester than I ever have before (almost none of it to do with classes, funny right?)  Anyways.  My catching up thoughts

I agree with TA, I probably would not have jumped on chairs so quickly with the modkilling (in fact, I completely forgot about that rule).  However, I don't think that means we need to suspect faust for it.

TA: As far as who I think scum is, all of my scummiest reads are now dead... which makes me more suspect of you and PPS being a team actually... other than that, I think faust is not scum, even though he kinda rubs me the wrong way, I think he's town.  Archetype is probably my next place I'd look.  Like everyone else, I've seen a lot that is scummy there, but I also saw that in another game and mislynched him.  So I would probably out my top 3 (in order) as PPS, Archetype, TA.  And you and PPS is mostly from POE.

So my list:

PPS
Archetype
TA (Reasons above)
(break)
Robz - Almost considered putting him up in the scum territory, so he's borderline.  I don't know a whole lot about his play style, but knowing he is a strong player I would think he'd be leading more and pushing for his way as town.  This laid-back play rubs (robz?) me the wrong way
faust - as noted above, don't always agree with his decisions, but I think he is vocal slightly belligerent town.
(break)
Scott - Don't forget early D1 his questions to yuma after he got called out for lurking basically confirmed him as newbie town
Me

I'm not really sure why you won't claim TA, scum isn't going to kill you tonight for fear of a doc still being out there and I'm not sure what extra info it would give scum.  So either, I think you have a result you're holding onto, or you are scum not wanting to fakeclaim...

I agree with TA's narrative on faust's claim.  It does feel fishy with both claims so quick back to back.

Also, faust is willing to put himself all out there without considering no-lynch.  If we're at MYLO with cops remaining, we should totally no-lynch.  I'm suprised nobody has suggested this thus far...

I'm going to say faust should full-claim.  He's already said he's a cop and I think that it can't do harm knowing if he already investigated.  If he hasn't investigated, his silence tells me that.  So in a way (in my mind) he has full claimed either way.

Also:  If PPS really was a N1 cop, and he has suspected me as being scum from the beginning, why did he not investigate me?  I feel like after D1, I was a prime investigation target.  Intent to vote PPS.

And I'm caught up.  Kinda skimmed a bit there, but *hopefully* I'll be able to post more today than yesterday...

[Robz888]

Also, faust is willing to put himself all out there without considering no-lynch.  If we're at MYLO with cops remaining, we should totally no-lynch.  I'm suprised nobody has suggested this thus far...

If we No Lynch, and the scum kill is successful, town is end-gamed. No Lynching is tantamount to deciding that the Doctors (if there are Doctors with protective shots left) have a better chance of picking the scum night kill (1/6) then we do of lynching scum (3/6). So I don't see why we would No Lynch. That has to be more likely we lose, right?

[pingpongsam]

Also:  If PPS really was a N1 cop, and he has suspected me as being scum from the beginning, why did he not investigate me?  I feel like after D1, I was a prime investigation target.  Intent to vote PPS.

And I'm caught up.  Kinda skimmed a bit there, but *hopefully* I'll be able to post more today than yesterday...

On D1 your wagon was the better lynch to me. Note that TA stayed off either wagon entirely voting instead for Eevee who was a town read for me all along. The AHoppy vote on Teproc was arguably self-preservation as much Town as it was scum so the fact that AHoppy voted down Teproc D1 wasn't nearly enough to confirm him to be scum. The TA attitude towards me D1 set me off on an unrecoverable tangent without results on him and his lone vote on Eevee sealed the deal that I investigate him. My words that suggest I've been onto AHoppy all along doesn't mean I was super suspicious of him from D1 just that I interpreted the way D1 ended to indicate a strong possibility it was a near scum lynch and everything after that supports that he is likely scum. Really it was his distancing from my post-claim D2 wagon that looked almost sure to roll that led me to believe AHoppy was more than likely scum.

AHoppy, what is your role?