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[Roadrunner7671]

Oh and hi Lekkit! Have a day three pass.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean if people are going to use "WHAT HAVE YOU POSTED IN YOUR QT HUH" as way to test people's towniness then I'm just going to start writing fanfiction in mine.

[Teproc]

I almost never write in my QT except for confirming at night or using actions, I don't know why giving QTs to all players has become the standard.

The standard was made because in some games players have created their own--especially when they are PRs. Thus creating QTs for everyone to give them a platform was intended to even the playing field at the least. Plus I believe that as a mod they are easier to track and follow then the PM system that is used here. PMs are nice, but they are more difficult to track conversations/confirmations/etc.

I plan on giving out private QTs in my games from now on. It has been so much nicer this way from the last few games i have modded. It will also be nice to see how this rule version works out in this game.

This is the same as it was in Marvel Heroes, unless I'm missing something, isn't it ?

[yuma]

I almost never write in my QT except for confirming at night or using actions, I don't know why giving QTs to all players has become the standard.

The standard was made because in some games players have created their own--especially when they are PRs. Thus creating QTs for everyone to give them a platform was intended to even the playing field at the least. Plus I believe that as a mod they are easier to track and follow then the PM system that is used here. PMs are nice, but they are more difficult to track conversations/confirmations/etc.

I plan on giving out private QTs in my games from now on. It has been so much nicer this way from the last few games i have modded. It will also be nice to see how this rule version works out in this game.

This is the same as it was in Marvel Heroes, unless I'm missing something, isn't it ?

It is. I am saying that previously I only gave QTs to PRs, but that after seeing Marvel and then working with that way of modding I found that I liked this format better.

[faust]

I mean if people are going to use "WHAT HAVE YOU POSTED IN YOUR QT HUH" as way to test people's towniness then I'm just going to start writing fanfiction in mine.

And given your skills in that, you would never be lynched.

[silverspawn]

I mean if people are going to use "WHAT HAVE YOU POSTED IN YOUR QT HUH" as way to test people's towniness then I'm just going to start writing fanfiction in mine.

I don't really get what you mean here. It obviously seems like a huge benefit to me, so I don't understand why you're framing it as a joke.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm never going to post anything substantial in my QT, and I don't think that doing so or not is an alignment tell for any player.

[faust]

Let's talk about something more game-related, shall we?

Some possible roles in this setup seem not so great. It might be a worthwile discussion to decide whether these roles should claim today. I'm thinking specifically:

Neighbourizer
Fruit Vendor
Bodyguard

and maybe 2-shot Commuter.

The upside is that we get one semi-IC early on. Also we will have some additional setup knowledge. Neighborizer and Fruit Vendor are very weak, and a Bodyguard doesn't really profit from being hidden. 2-shot Commuter is stronger, but it only works if they can attract the night kill. Anyway, how IC-ish would such a claim make these roles?

Neighbourizer:
Mafia can fakeclaim this if they are not in a setup where they don't have Roleblocker/Goon or Rolecop/Goon. Possibilities:
JOAT/Goon: Then it could be row 1, which has a Tracker. Tracker does not appear together with Neighborizer, so they would out themselves.
JOAT/Rolecop: Row 2 has this and an Odd-Night Watcher, which can counterclaim Neighbourizer.
JOAT/Roleblocker: The column that gives this basically has only roles that could counter the claim.
2-shot Strongman/Rolecop: Appears with Fruit Vendor. Again nay.
Godfather/Goon: Can have a Bodyguard.
So fakeclaim potential here is very limited.

Fruit Vendor:
A quick search shows that the claim here also always has the option to be countered.

Bodyguard:
Same here.

So basically we can generate an IC I think. This works now,but may not work anymore once scum has more information.

[Teproc]

I've been thinking about this too. My main problem is that, in most if no all cases, it ust gives scum the whole setup, which they don't know yet (I think in most situations they're looking at two possible setups).

2-Shot Commuter is the main one I think, because making an IC with that particular role is pretty awesome.

[Roadrunner7671]

Fruit Vendor is my favorite role.

[Teproc]

Bodyguard is pretty good too, not as enthusiastic about the others.

Commuter has a bunch of setups where scum knows it's not there, which makes it less IC-fying, but that only lasts for so long, it's not a claim scum can ride all the way to the end, not easily at least.

[Witherweaver]

I'm never going to post anything substantial in my QT, and I don't think that doing so or not is an alignment tell for any player.

I don't agree.  It's just like posting in here, but not visible until possibly some later time.  I think it's useful.

[silverspawn]

meep.

why is no-one doing RVS? How am I supposed to have stuff to say?

[faust]

I've been thinking about this too. My main problem is that, in most if no all cases, it ust gives scum the whole setup, which they don't know yet (I think in most situations they're looking at two possible setups).

2-Shot Commuter is the main one I think, because making an IC with that particular role is pretty awesome.

Well, yes, but the amount of information we get is bigger, no? Scum can narrow it down from 2-3 possibilities to 1, we get from 14 to 2-3.

[faust]

meep.

why is no-one doing RVS? How am I supposed to have stuff to say?

I will do theory over RVS every time.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Faust

[Teproc]

When you say it like that it sounds like a bigger benefit for scum, but in reality I think going from very uncertain to slightly uncertain is less good than going from slightly uncertain to absolutely certain.

[silverspawn]

I will do theory over RVS every time.

meh, but I don't have anything to add to your theory post.

PPE: ah, interesting.

Vote: Faust

why?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Shouldn't someone with an IC-ish role wait until later to claim? ICs are more useful later in the game.

[Teproc]

In any case I think those PRs should consider it on their own, and decide what they want to do. It's certainly worth thinking about at the very least.

On the subject of the actual game...

vote: ADK

[faust]

Shouldn't someone with an IC-ish role wait until later to claim? ICs are more useful later in the game.

At a later point in the game, the mafia may know more about the setup, and may know that they can safely claim one of those roles, so it would no longer make an IC.

Also it can be countered for a 1-1 trade, which will not happen D1, but might happen later.

[Lekkit]

Hello.

I don't see why it's much better to keep your thoughts in your QT than here. Unless you're some PR and have stuff you don't want to share with the rest of the town. Reads and cases are what we have to go on. This coming from someone who have a record of not writing that much in my QTs.

[Witherweaver]

Shouldn't someone with an IC-ish role wait until later to claim? ICs are more useful later in the game.

I'll go ahead and claim IC now. 

[Witherweaver]

Hello.

I don't see why it's much better to keep your thoughts in your QT than here. Unless you're some PR and have stuff you don't want to share with the rest of the town. Reads and cases are what we have to go on. This coming from someone who have a record of not writing that much in my QTs.

Not all thoughts; but sometimes it can be helpful to withhold stuff.

[silverspawn]

Hello.

I don't see why it's much better to keep your thoughts in your QT than here. Unless you're some PR and have stuff you don't want to share with the rest of the town. Reads and cases are what we have to go on. This coming from someone who have a record of not writing that much in my QTs.

I already have 15 or so posts in my QT. There is really no reason to spam the thread with them.